lore-discussion

[storm storm]

It's funny how the pre alpha music was used at the end of act 1. it gives me chills.

[wicked heath]

Stock music

[toxic mist]

“Player is neighbors son, shadow man is the devil, 14:14 is biblical reference?!, what are you talking about man we gotta find all the pieces of the luck device!”

[ripe berry]

Dude, I am not Mr.Peterson's son

[fiery otter]

There is a chance that The Thing and The Guest are the same entity

[ripe berry]

So you say The Guest is a repersentation of Fears

[fiery otter]

In the books, the Guest takes the form of people's fears in order to get what he wants out of them

and The Thing is Nicky's fear

[ripe berry]

Ok so the guest is just, idk, the REAL version of the thing

[fiery otter]

Yeah

The Thing is still unexplained

and if Hello Neighbor 2 is gonna tie up some loose ends

[ripe berry]

then explain it being in SN, even if it is the kids imagination, Mr.Peterson is they're fears and the thing takes the form of Mr.Peterson

[fiery otter]

Exactly

and in Secret Neighbor, the Guest is still in control of Mr. Peterson

and keep in mind that the kids going into Mr. Peterson's house are Nicky's friends, so Nicky would've told them all about the Neighbor

so they would share the same visual fear of the Neighbor

[ripe berry]

And we know that in HE that the Scout is missing

and one of the classes is the Scout

And anyone can end up being the Neighbor

[fiery otter]

The Guest can also shift its appearance into people his victims personally know

which means...

The Neighbor in Act 3 of HN 1 is just The Thing in a different form.

[ripe berry]

And the thing uses Dreams to mess with people

[fiery otter]

And at that point in the timeline, The Guest still presumably controls Mr. Peterson

[ripe berry]

And we know that SN is not real

But imagination

[fiery otter]

Secret Neighbor is similar to Act 3

It is a representation of something that has been affected by the Thing/Guest

[ripe berry]

They both are tall buildings owned by the Neighbor

[fiery otter]

Also...

[ripe berry]

execpt Map 4/5

[fiery otter]

One of the map names for Secret Neighbor is "Return of the Guest"

[ripe berry]

Why is the Guest returning? I thought he never left

[fiery otter]

I think its two things in one

[ripe berry]

And this works with my theory that The Guest is a demon of somekind

[ripe berry]

We've also seen the Guest in a dream

[fiery otter]

1: It is meant to signify that the Guest/Thing is present in Secret Neighbor. No doubts.
2: That map came out before they confirmed that the Guest was still a part of HN 2, so it was a hint that the Guest was coming back.

[fiery otter]

The Guest is either the founder of the Forest Protectors or is a demon summoned by the Forest Protectors.

[ripe berry]

Graphic Novel 2

I will go with the latter it would explain it's powers

[fiery otter]

Either way, it is in control of the Forest Protectors

[ripe berry]

Yes, because they try to dress like it

[fiery otter]

But the society itself hasn't been mentioned at all in HN 2

[ripe berry]

and it would explain how the Luck devices work

[fiery otter]

So either the group disbanded or it is a surprise.

[ripe berry]

Group Arrested

[fiery otter]

Ah.

But then the Guest was still in control of the Neighbor, so he just made the Neighbor go missing...

...which leads into HN 2.

[ripe berry]

Got exposed in book 6

The Forest Protectors did

[fiery otter]

Yes, but Hello Neighbor: Reset Day (which takes place when Aaron's friends are all adults with their own kids) shows that the Forest Protectors are still around

[ripe berry]

Because they are out of jail by then

And the Mayor was one

he wasn't arrested

[fiery otter]

But got demoted

[ripe berry]

Because he didn't show up to the Forest Protector Ritual

[ripe berry]

He was not arrested

[fiery otter]

I read the first and second trilogy

[ripe berry]

So the group could form back over time

But it took awhile to do so

Which is why there is not a lot of mentions of it in the first 3 books

[fiery otter]

Those first 3 books were also a lot more focused on Nicky and the events leading right up to HN 1

[ripe berry]

I know

I was just saying that is why there are not a lot of mentions of it

[fiery otter]

If Aaron is still in the basement in HN 2, then

he's in his 20s

[ripe berry]

No he is not in there

[fiery otter]

Did he get out after Act 2?

At the end of Act 2 we hear windows breaking

and the Neighbor is stressed

[ripe berry]

Act 2 as we see it is a dream

You can even hear the thing "Breathing"

but the events of Act 2's end cutscene do happen

The window and stuff

[gray dome]

act 2 is not a dream

nor is act 3

or anything in hn at that matter

[fiery otter]

Then I know what it is

[gray dome]

It is an actual event, of Nicky escaping, but heavily distorted due to trauma

That is what it is

[ripe berry]

I said as we see it

[fiery otter]

I think the distortion is The Thing/The Guest

[gray dome]

And?
Doesn't make it a dream

[ripe berry]

not that it DIDN'T happen

[fiery otter]

I unfortunately have to go, I'll be back later.

[ripe berry]

I said "As we see it" then I said "But everything in the end cutscene does happen" or something like that

[gray dome]

It's still not a dream

Regardless of "how we see it"

[ripe berry]

It is just simplfying what it is OK?

[tribal talon]

Just actually didn't happened

That's it

Trauma, dream, who cares

[gray dome]

Nikita cares

[ripe berry]

It is just a simplication of what it is

[ripe berry]

I know it is a lot more than that

but I simplfyed it for that message

[fiery otter]

I have returned

[violet sierra]

ok

[silver vine]

no, guest is def not the thing

[gleaming violet]

the thing isn't even real

[silver vine]

no he doesnt

thats just a theory

[silver vine]

its already explained

[gleaming violet]

from what i know, the guest is

[slim citrus]

Guest is imbir

I know this

[gleaming violet]

that was confirmed several times

but some people are dumb and dont believe that

[silver vine]

no he isnt

HN2 is right after act 2

[slim citrus]

Hopefully there are guns in hello neighbor 2

[gleaming violet]

i wanna murder people too

[tame mural]

I wanna see if the police try to arrest you if you break into someone's house

[fiery otter]

I want to grab a weapon and then murder Mr. Peterson

and the Guest too if I can

I don't want to use boxes and trash bags anymore

[silver vine]

well, they are the same person

so

[fiery otter]

True

I hope the Guest's actions will affect the Neighbor's AI.

[silver vine]

what

[fiery otter]

I'll explain in the HN channel

[silver vine]

k

[errant hazel]

why the hell would you do that?

[wicked heath]

Hey guys, remember when i said Delia and Regina had the same vowels in their names as well as those being on the same order? Guess what: turns out both of them are eleven

Awesome

[errant hazel]

wait, they´re from reset day, or GN2?

[wicked heath]

Both

Delia from reset day

Regina from gn2

[shrewd sedge]

hey guys I have a theory

if the guest locks neighbour in the attic in the alpha

what if our person in the first game we act as is the guest

or the shadow

to get revenge

anybody?

[fiery otter]

But Nicky Roth overcame the Thing in the ending of the first game

[shrewd sedge]

oh

yh

[fiery otter]

how would the Thing be able to come back and immediately take 'em over?

[shrewd sedge]

I guess

but why lock the neighbour up?

also

Who is the guest

ima search up on yt soon

[fiery otter]

The Guest is its own demon

scroll up a little bit

[shrewd sedge]

Ok

[fiery otter]

and you'll find me and another person's theory on the Guest and some other things

And how the Guest and the Thing are actually the same entity

[shrewd sedge]

So my theory was somehow true

shadow = guest

ok

wait

so

the end of finale

how does it make sense

is that a dream or not?

[errant hazel]

guest is not the thing

the thing never had physical form

like the thing was always in someone's head

[fiery otter]

Act 3 is all hallucinations caused by The Thing/Guest

[errant hazel]

but you can throw box at guest

[shrewd sedge]

it is

ok guys

[fiery otter]

In the graphic novels, it is revealed that the Guest has powers, including going into people's minds and slowly taking it over, which is what happened to Mr. Peterson in the book

[errant hazel]

self therapy

[shrewd sedge]

Shadow is guest he took on the form of a lost child in the basement and put on a mask in the books guest has powers

[fiery otter]

SlowedGalaxy, I point you to Hello Neighbor: The Raven Brooks Disaster

Which is where the Guest was revealed to have not only powers, but the same powers as the Thing, and also expansions of it too

[errant hazel]

1. I haven't read The Raven Brooks Disaster, so i don't know that, 2. The thing is a gossip legend, guest is an urban legend - people talk about both of them, so they can't be the same demon, or I dunno what are they

[fiery otter]

The Thing is the Guest's form of fear he takes whenever Nicky Roth or Nicky's friends are present

Remember that only Nicky and his friends have seen the Thing

[torpid sinew]

Wouldn’t it make more sense for the Guest to be the Thing instead of the other way around

[fiery otter]

is it really a gossip legend then?

[fiery otter]

It's really interchangeable. It doesn't matter if the Guest is the base or if the Thing is the base.

[errant hazel]

ok, but still, it doesn´t explain, why the thing is only in your head, but the guest is real

[fiery otter]

Because the Guest can physically enter your mind

and slowly take it over

and that's what he was trying to do to Nicky

but Nicky's mental state was much better than the Neighbor's when the Guest took over the Neighbor's mind

so Nicky managed to keep the Guest/Thing from taking over his mind

[wicked heath]

the guest is not The Thing

and The Thing is the embodiment of fears and traumas

the guest is The Neighbor in a costume

[fiery otter]

I point you to the evidence in Hello Neighbor: The Raven Brooks Disaster

The Guest is revealed to be more than just the Neighbor

[wicked heath]

sure, but he aint the thing

[fiery otter]

If it was, it would explain the Thing

and also give it some story

Since the Thing never really did anything after HN 1

He shows up whenever the Neighbor dies in SN

but he just t-poses

[errant hazel]

thing is gossip legend

[fiery otter]

What is gossip legend?

I know what urban legend is

[errant hazel]

its kinda same

i guess

[fiery otter]

I don't think people ever thought of the Thing as a legend

because like I said before, only Nicky and his friends have seen and/or know about it

and even then its mostly Nicky because it may not even be canon for the kids to witness the Thing appear when the Neighbor is knocked out in SN

[shrewd sedge]

the other kids aren’t mentioned in game but they are mentioned in the books

[fiery otter]

I read the books and they made no mention of anything close to the Thing

[errant hazel]

https://hello-neighbor.fandom.com/wiki/Nicky's_Diary_Entries

[fiery otter]

Now THAT is some good evidence.

But just because they're separate legends doesn't mean they can't be the same entity

[errant hazel]

proof?

• even Aaron knew about the guest

[tribal talon]

thing?

that black thing which is fear?

[errant hazel]

yep

[fiery otter]

Yeah

[tribal talon]

it's just character's fear, like not actual, physical something. just an illusion of fear

[errant hazel]

actually, if you´re making a theory like that, it matters a lot

[errant hazel]

well, yes but actually no

its a gossip legend

prob

[tribal talon]

it's a fear

that's it

[errant hazel]

i think its not just fear, but it is fear

[tribal talon]

yes it is just a fear

[round geode]

f e a r

[tribal talon]

scary

[gray dome]

shadow = fear

that's it

neighbor = guest

it's been teased literally since hgp

and hes even guest in gn2

bam

[versed yacht]

My only question is this

"a deadly thorny Thing"

It's literally a physical representation of fear

But like

It's an actual thing everyone sees and knows about

Which means it's an actual living entity similar to the guest, that uses negative emotions to it's advantage

(if you consider the guest-creature theory canon)

[amber cove]

Alternative awnser Mr Peterson can't drive

[errant hazel]

i think that the thing is only in your head, if you are scared of something, but it doesn´t have physical form

[tribal talon]

so they tried to explain what Thing is...

...while it was already explained in the game?

[errant hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

its like guest but not real and prob not that dangerous, i guess

[versed yacht]

Doesn't make that much sense though

Why would everyone see the same exact thing??

[errant hazel]

ik, but in HN everything doesnt make sense

[versed yacht]

Fair point

[tribal talon]

how's everyone saying?

Mayak will answer on everything?

heh

[versed yacht]

haha

[fallow carbon]

Mayak answers alllll

[torpid sinew]

Maybe it’s just the general fear of the unknown

Maybe it’ll take on different forms for specific fears

[versed yacht]

I mean we know from HN1, it's literally fear, and that multiple exist/it can be in multiple places/people at once.

I think

[errant hazel]

dunno found on wiki lol

[silver vine]

it is not

[silver vine]

no, they dont

the entire town see it

[silver vine]

now he doesnt T pose

[silver vine]

SN is canon

its the kids imagination

[silver vine]

meaning, you missed one book

[ripe berry]

I consider it canon

[silver vine]

(its not)

[ripe berry]

But I consider it so

until proven otherwise

[silver vine]

it has been proven otherwise

[copper wave]

no, it hasnt

[silver vine]

well, unless its a shapeshifter

or some ghost which possess or takes over someone

[gray dome]

when

[silver vine]

sorry

my bad

guest is a spirit which possess ppl

[versed yacht]

I mean it could be a ghost or spirit

Although that's unlikely

But it's possible with the new SN update

[copper wave]

well, the way i think about it, what happens the first time we see Cleave use the device?

theres no storm happening, which serves as a catalyst to one another

so where does it get its energy from?

Fear

[tribal talon]

school

[copper wave]

now think, where does the Guest come from?

[tribal talon]

Guest world

[copper wave]

(in the books)

[tribal talon]

mayak

[copper wave]

well in this universe, the parks mascot isnt the guest

[tribal talon]

the time loop broke and it divided Neighbor into a good (usual neighbor) and a bad (guest) parts.

[copper wave]

but my idea with GN2 is that, he got the neighbor to start the flood so he could come to Raven Brooks from the storm, and if that second part is true wouldnt that link the Guest directly to the storms?

which would then create a single thread already that links him to fear, if we consider fear > device power > storm > guest

[tribal talon]

that's why there's always things about bad weather in hn2

[versed yacht]

Which also ties into the fact he uses fear and sadness to his advantage to control people. Theodore is the perfect target because he's completely mad.

Basically he uses Theodore to start the storm so he can reach his full power

[tribal talon]

in hgp you can hear the storm, in hga1, that big house made of placeholders is in the middle of hurricane aka storm

hn2a1, 1.5 also how's your weather, etc etc

[versed yacht]

I wonder what the whole smelling like smoke and lights flickering have to do with it

[tribal talon]

and crows

[versed yacht]

And crows

[copper wave]

and if we remember what i was talking about yesterday (i think it was yesterday) we also know both the Guest and The Thing are connected to memories, specifically ones lost to time

[versed yacht]

They're also both rumors known around RB

At least according to the Nicky Diary entry things

[copper wave]

well thats from the notebook, i dont trust that much at all

[tribal talon]

lol

[versed yacht]

me neither but it still kindaaaa makes sense

[copper wave]

well lets just stick to the 100% facts

because i feel its already enough to build the argument that the Guest and The Thing are the same

[tribal talon]

"The Thing" aka Fear from the games ooor....?

[copper wave]

Yes, that Thing

[tribal talon]

hm

so the guest is not neighbor anymore

[versed yacht]

Maybe the thing is the guest before it actually becomes the guest

[copper wave]

it could become the neighbor, like how in GN2 the guest becomes the neighbor

[versed yacht]

As in like, the guest before it gets it's full power

[copper wave]

but the neighbor likely doesnt willingly take on the guests appearances

[versed yacht]

"you're gonna put on this suit and you're gonna like it"

[tribal talon]

"Guest"

guest is the person who usually coming to us

from his "home", to our

[versed yacht]

He's using his victims as hosts like we see in GN2

He's literally a "guest" in their minds

[gray dome]

how does fear tie into luck device

[tribal talon]

i feel like hn2 will be damn brainstorm

[versed yacht]

Guest > Powered by storms > So are luck devices

At least that's the theory

Idk I'm dumb classics smart

[tribal talon]

classic got guest plush, guest told him all secrets, there's not only main theme recorded in it

[copper wave]

remember book 5?

[versed yacht]

classic is canon

[copper wave]

this is what he told me...

[gray dome]

kind of? not really

I haven't read the books in a while

[copper wave]

reread the part where Cleave uses the device when there is no storm happening

[tribal talon]

(I have a feeling that after such fall with such sound, something broke inside)

[copper wave]

nothing did surprisingly

it just hit the voice box and shut off the music

[versed yacht]

Classic beats the guest plush until the speaker breaks and starts making random noises which is actually morse code which reveals the entire HN2 storyline

[copper wave]

well im pretty sure ive known HN2's storyline since like May, but we will see

[tribal talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/644097331121225728.png?size=64

[versed yacht]

i have some ideas but rn im just waiting to see what they do with it

saving all my brain energy for when it actually comes out

[tribal talon]

wanna bet that on release all things you know gonna do 360 degree flip

[gray dome]

which part of the book

I recall him using it at the end

but I can't remember if he uses it before then

[copper wave]

the end

[silver vine]

oh well

if guest is gonna be this complicated,

how would he be explained properly?

will he get an improper explanation like The Thing did?

[versed yacht]

What

[copper wave]

how was the Thing's improper?

[fallow carbon]

I thought the Thing was quite simple: a demon-like being created from Nicky's fears

And an overall representation of fear

So yeah... how was it improper

[tribal talon]

MAYAK

hihihi

[silver vine]

like, even to this day, ppl ask what is the thing

and a lot of them think its Aaron

[errant hazel]

Aaron? Never thought about that

[toxic mist]

bruh

[versed yacht]

That doesn't mean the explanation is improper

It just means that people didn't get it

It explains it pretty clearly imo

[shrewd sedge]

Guys

this part of act 3

the neighbour is crying

and if act 3 is our fear

how do we think of hello neighbour crying

[torpid sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/john-jonah-jameson-lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-gif-17710543

[vital meteor]

Hey guya

Guys

Whats HS

[strange lance]

hello neighbor hide and seek. The prequel to HN1

[vital meteor]

OHHHHHHH.

[wary cove]

Nobodys talking rn

[vital swift]

Ye

[wary cove]

Have u read hn books or

Cause i have grave mistakes only but i still understand the storyline pretty well

[vital swift]

Nah, tbh I don't even know what are those XD

[wary cove]

Dead again

[wary cove]

#off-topic

[gray dome]

I did but I still don't entirely understand

[versed yacht]

I was about to explain it before I realized that I don't entirely understand it either.

[chrome palm]

Hn 2 ending

[tribal talon]

THEORY CONFIRMED:guest gets thrown

[wicked heath]

Now im rlly confused about GN2 bc get THIS: at first, Regina kept mentionning about how Mr. Peterson look like some sort of kidnapper, but after Pris opens the glove box revealing the crow, she asks Regina "How naive are u? Hes def up to smth" and Regina goes "Mr Peterson did not kidnap us. He was just giving us a ride"

[vernal kraken]

Probably because she realised they weren't being kidnapped if he stopped anywhere and let them leave

and at first that wasn't certain

[wicked heath]

Makes sense

[gray dome]

tbh I think what we see in HE actually is the observatory

[wary cove]

Is QuEnTiN tHe NeIgHbOr /j

[fast marten]

thats because aaron IS the neighbor!!!

[wary cove]

Can someone dm me the last page of reset day idc about spoilers

[finite steeple]

n0 iTS ACtuaLLY nICky

[silver vine]

this basically confirms that trick or treaters are indeed missing along with Nicky, Aaron, Mya, and Ted

[torpid sinew]

Am I the only one who thinks Maritza’s blue eyes are just colored contact lenses

[silver vine]

[fast marten]

she didnt handle squopped winks right

[torpid sinew]

What

[silver vine]

I wonder who kidnapped the trick or treaters

[strange lance]

Taxidermist kidnaps Halloween kids and stuffs them with straw in his attic leaving only one of them alive

[torpid sinew]

What the hell.

[silver vine]

how do we know its the Taxidermist tho?

if Taxidermist kidnapped them, why would Ted have missing posters of trick or treaters in his houses

[torpid sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-missed-over-your-head-gif-8604199

[silver vine]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-sad-truth-thats-the-painful-truth-thats-the-reality-of-it-thats-the-sad-reality-michael-douglas-gif-15605622

I never get jokes 😔

[torpid sinew]

cry about it

[silver vine]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-about-it-cries-about-it-gif-21783279

[hazy slate]

mya is actually Aaron

and enzo is the neighbor

[wary cove]

Last page of reset day dm me

[amber cove]

Nah it's air

[wicked heath]

Nicky kills Aaron hn3 leak whyyyy

[finite steeple]

actually aaron is the all seeing Eye, who governs over us weakling humans

[wary cove]

GUYS

I got Reset Day

[gray dome]

can you not

what is the point of sending stuff like this

[versed yacht]

he got reset day that's why

[wary cove]

Lmfao

[wary cove]

I read whole book and it was pretty cool

Chat revive

"Taking what you don't deserve" was a good line

[silver vine]

true

[fallow carbon]

Rn I'm on Buried Secrets

I did like the Scream School part I will say

Mainly cause it ties into Fear School and all

[torpid sinew]

how did i find this

I don’t know

[amber cove]

Why freeze

[minor kayak]

What was it

[wicked heath]

Wa

Wat happened

[wicked heath]

Srsly wats going on?

[torpid sinew]

Maritza is trans joke, that’s all.

I don’t know why it got deleted.

[wicked heath]

Then why...

[tribal talon]

what happened to aaron after mr peterson ran away from his house does anybody know?

[silver vine]

well, there are 3 possiblities

[slim citrus]

Ratio

[silver vine]

1. Aaron escaped and went somewhere
2. Aaron is still locked in the basement
3. Mr.Peterson took Aaron along with him

[slim citrus]

Why would he leave the house and just leave aaron to fend off the police

[silver vine]

idk

its very likely that neighbor took Aaron along with him

[slim citrus]

But we see that nobody else is in the car when the lopice arrive

[silver vine]

well, Aaron could be hiding

under the seat

[slim citrus]

😳

He’s dead

[silver vine]

no way

he def isnt dead

thats for sure

yes

neighbor wouldnt just let him die

[tribal talon]

someone tell me why hello neighbor is pegi 7 when kids get locked up in the basement by buz lightyear

[fallow carbon]

1. Likely because all the violence is cartoon violence and besides some hinting there aren't many dark elements
2. Your country uses PEGI? Pog

[tribal talon]

your country says bro every 5 seconds? pog

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-memes-dank-troll-gif-20859384

[fallow carbon]

they tend to say bruv more than bro

but yes

[tribal talon]

10% of people say that

[wind isle]

What happened to nicki's house in HN alpha 1.5? It can't be torn down since the game takes place in between act 2 and 3 and when nicki arrives the only houses that look rusty and warn down is nicky's house and the neighbor's burned down house. Also in act 3 all the other neighbor houses aside from nicki's and neighbors burned down house are all perfectly in shape so why in alpha 1.5 they all of a sudden are destroyed and creepy?

[fast marten]

thats because its alpha 1.5

not full game

[gray dome]

@copper wave hello

thanks

[wind isle]

then why is the alpha 2 house there? did the guest build another house?

[wicked heath]

im pretty sure its just an abandonned mansion

[silver vine]

I would refer you to watch the new trailers and devlog

the town has drastically changed and improved, and Alpha 1.5 town will not even be in full release

[silver vine]

its just an abandoned building which neighbor now resides in

[tribal talon]

Boy dripped out for Christmas

[errant hazel]

thats canon

[wary cove]

D r i p

[ripe berry]

Guys, random question, but is Neighbor Drip canon

[ripe berry]

Oh, Ok

Another Question, when does every level of HN:H&S happen? in game it goes from March (Charm) to May (Yam) but in the books it all happens in August.

[potent vale]

oh hi

[ripe berry]

Hello

[ripe berry]

But can someone answer this for me?

[errant hazel]

Books events are different

Like, there's a lot of events, that are in books, and some events, that are only in games

[silver vine]

its not

[silver vine]

that was a joke

[silver vine]

its just another inconsistency, just like how GAAP got destroyed in the books, but in the games it didnt

[ripe berry]

Ok

[ripe berry]

No... It might've

after all

HN2 alpha 1/1.5 are just alphas

And 1.5 is in 2002 based off my calulations

We only see 1995/1996 and 2015 from Nicky's PoV

So it might've gotten rebuilt

Or as I said

it is just a Alpha

The GAAP will not be in the full game

[silver vine]

Nikita literally said twice

that HG is NOT scrapped and WILL be a part of HN2

[ripe berry]

At least not in the final version of the map we play in HN2A1/1.5

[silver vine]

fun fact, if you zoom in on one of those tiny gameplays in AI trailer, you can literally see the entrance sign

[ripe berry]

That is in 1996

Not a year later

[silver vine]

and?

park got destroyed even before HN1

HN2 is after act 2

[ripe berry]

Canon act 2, not actual act 2

Right?

[silver vine]

wdym

[ripe berry]

Act 2 as seen in game is a dream

Or Smth

[silver vine]

yes, technically

its a distorted memory

[silver vine]

yes

[ripe berry]

I said canon as in what actually happened

Not what Nicky remembers

[silver vine]

yes

[ripe berry]

Well that could just be where the stuff was dumped

After all it has to go somewhere

[silver vine]

you can also see the ferris wheel from the attic window of museum

in deep dive

[ripe berry]

Still

it has to go somewhere right

[silver vine]

meaning, the park is very not destroyed

[ripe berry]

so maybe it gets fully destroyed after HN2

And what we see are just moved rements of the park

Here is a picture of the map as seen in Devlog 1

[silver vine]

and?

[ripe berry]

No ferris wheel in sight

[silver vine]

the samedevlog shows the ferris wheel

[ripe berry]

Where?

[silver vine]

in the shot where they show donut shop

[silver vine]

the location of where the ferris wheel is shown near the donut shop explains why its not there in this shot

[ripe berry]

Got anymore proof? or...

[silver vine]

yes

GAAP exists in SN

[soft hill]

i joined the discord group so that i could get the grapple gun but i still cant get it. can anybody help me?

[silver vine]

check your van

[ripe berry]

Secret Neighbor is kids Imagination

[silver vine]

as if the proof I showed you isnt enough

[ripe berry]

How else could Neighbor change shape

[silver vine]

its also in HE, and HE is just half imaginery

[ripe berry]

Not like the luck devices could do that

[silver vine]

IK

[ripe berry]

We have no canon date for HE

Sure Nicky is absent

But it could be from before he moved in

[silver vine]

this the top most proof

that GAAP is not destroyed in the games

[ripe berry]

He only said not as scrapped as we think

Not that is wasn't even a little bit scrapped

[silver vine]

not only that

he also said HG will kinda be a part of HN2

in his personel livestream

in his channel

@ripe berry

if this isnt enough proof that HG will be a part of HN2, idk what else

[ripe berry]

Well, timeloops exist in this universe

[silver vine]

and?

[ripe berry]

so there could be some way for the GAAP to both be destroyed and not destroyed

Meaning we are both right

[silver vine]

hmmm

[ripe berry]

and both wrong

at the same time

After all

events can change in time loops

[silver vine]

well, that could also explain why neighbor's isnt destroyed in the books

[ripe berry]

Because it is a time loop

And events can change

[silver vine]

theres one problem tho

[ripe berry]

And some people can remember events from timeloops

[silver vine]

Nicky is from the outside world

and, he cant move in to the town twice

[ripe berry]

Yeah well, so is Piper Tillman

[ripe berry]

He can

[silver vine]

how?

[ripe berry]

Well, It is a time loop

if he enters at the beginning of the loop

[silver vine]

time loops only happen within the town

[ripe berry]

Then he loops aswell

[silver vine]

thats why I meant that he cant move in two times

[ripe berry]

Suddenly being back at the outskirts of the town

moving in

with no memory of it

[silver vine]

only if he is in the town

[ripe berry]

I said if he enters at the begining of the loop

Dude we already stopped that arguement

[silver vine]

doesnt matter

[ripe berry]

and @silver vine already gave me that proof

[silver vine]

park is destroyed in the books, not destroyed in the games, house is destroyed in the games, not destroyed in the books

[ripe berry]

Simple one big time loop from when Nicky moves in the first time to when he moves in the second time, also, he just doesn't remember anything when not in town the second time the loop happens

And gets a eviction notice Twice

[silver vine]

what

[ripe berry]

Confusing, I know,

[silver vine]

he cant get evicted twice

I know that for sure

cuz loops exist only within the town

not outside

[ripe berry]

Well he is a adult twice and couldn't pay the rent twice

[silver vine]

dudes really confusing everyone

[silver vine]

returning back to this, according to Nikita, act 3 takes place in 2017

[ripe berry]

Not paying rent leads to eviction

[ripe berry]

but it is agreed by the community that it takes place in 2015

again time loop Stuff

[silver vine]

that was in the past

before February of 2021

[ripe berry]

2017 is when the time loop resets

[silver vine]

no it doesnt

we dont know that

[ripe berry]

Reset day my dude

[silver vine]

reset day doesnt take place in 2017 my dude

if you payed close attention, you'd know that

[ripe berry]

Then when does it take place

[silver vine]

2021

it literally gets mentioned

[ripe berry]

Still

The timeline eventually loops

for Raven Brooks atleast

[silver vine]

yes

[ripe berry]

And Nicky wouldn't remember the stuff from a certain timeloop

And by the time he would be a adult again

Everyone who was a adult the first time Nicky got evicted would be retired

and the next generation

which wouldn't recognize Nicky

end up causing the timeloop to play out simmular to how it did the first time

with Nicky moving back in

[silver vine]

you're just complicating yourself and everyone

[fallow carbon]

i am really confused wat

[ripe berry]

Only with slight changes due to Marzita having that ring that means timeloops don't effect them from Reset Day

[ripe berry]

Good

This conversation is not meant for you

[fallow carbon]

:/

[ripe berry]

Or is it?

[ripe berry]

She decides to burn down the Neighbor's house

Becuase She figure that he has something to do with it

It being the time loop

I sound like the first thing in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LADLxQQV_5o

Goodbye Chat.

[silver vine]

how do you know she decides to burn it down?

[ripe berry]

Who burned it down?

Aaron, Nicky?

The Neighbor himself

Who did it

[silver vine]

Alex said that HNHS will reveal who burned the house

and, in chapter 3, Aaron was fire

so, its pretty much implied that he burned the house

[ripe berry]

The people I listed are the only 3 characters who are in H&S that are still alive

[silver vine]

not 100% confirmed tho

[silver vine]

you clearly missed one

[ripe berry]

Who is that?

[silver vine]

[ripe berry]

Well crows are a speices

[silver vine]

they are a character too

just like how Imbir is

[ripe berry]

So we don't know if that crow died before the house burned down

[hazy slate]

when exactly does he burn it down though?

[ripe berry]

Well Imbir has a name

[hazy slate]

in reset day the house is still up

I know the games and books aren't fully connected

[ripe berry]

Confusing canon

[hazy slate]

such as the park

[ripe berry]

HN1 ends in 2017

HN:RD is in 2021

Awnser

House got rebuilt

[silver vine]

no

[hazy slate]

did the time loop begin AFTER Aaron set it on fire?

[ripe berry]

Yes

[hazy slate]

also they wouldn't rebuild the house

[silver vine]

the house literally has chipped paint

[ripe berry]

Mr.Peterson would

[silver vine]

if it was rebuilt, then why should it have chipped paint?

[hazy slate]

building a house that big would probably take years

[silver vine]

exactly

[hazy slate]

idk

[ripe berry]

No not Act 3 dream house

[silver vine]

hes talking about act 1

[hazy slate]

I k n o w

[ripe berry]

Or Act 2 house

[silver vine]

building act 1 house itself would take more than 4 years

[hazy slate]

act 1 is a decent sized house

[silver vine]

and that too, Piper describes the house to be very old, and has chipped paint

[ripe berry]

This one

[silver vine]

if it was built recently, it shouldnt have chipped paint

yes

[ripe berry]

It wouldn't take that long to rebuild

[ripe berry]

Since some of the house was still intact

Mr.Peterson could start from the destroyed house and rebuilt it

[ripe berry]

in under 3 years

[silver vine]

@ripe berry

[hazy slate]

do you know how long it takes to build a house?

[silver vine]

^^^^

[hazy slate]

it takes a very long time dude

[ripe berry]

And the chipped paint could just be a slip up by Mr.Peterson

[silver vine]

[hazy slate]

if it was a one man thing

[ripe berry]

The foundation is still there

[hazy slate]

it would probably take even longer then 4 years

[silver vine]

do you even know how chipped paint works?

theres literally paintless places inch by inch, theres no way its a mess up by Ted

[silver vine]

just look at this house

[hazy slate]

I need to leave

[silver vine]

same

Imma play Bendy

[hazy slate]

alrighty

adios

[ripe berry]

I meant a design thing. like maybe he wants to fake a chip to make it look older

because it is

Kinda

[silver vine]

if he was rebuilding the house, then ppl would've stopped him

[ripe berry]

Well Aaron burned it down

not the people

and Mr.Peterson might've served his time by then

His time in jail

For kidnapping

Breaking into someones house

And he won the court case for the Lucy Yi accident

And the Germany thing

And no one knows about the Bosco Bay stuff

and what happened on the other 4 continents

Book 7

Is presumably out by now

But it doesn't mention other continents or countries

so you're point can still stand

Ok say it

Other then North American countries and European countries

Germany, U.S.A and Canada are some of the only mentioned countries

[silver vine]

he def escaped from the authorities

[ripe berry]

So? by 2018 they would be to old to stop him

and everyone would assume he served his time

or that he was dead after HN:tRBD

Also known as HN GN 2

Dude HN:tRBD is Hello Neighbor: The Raven Brooks Distaster

not ramdom keyboard spamming

Just like how HN:H&S is Hello Neighbor Hide and Seek

[silver vine]

he def isnt ded, even tho it seemed like it

we see his sweater at the end

[ripe berry]

I said assume he was dead

not that he was

[silver vine]

yes

[ripe berry]

I know

But still

So you want me to just say TRBD or...

Ok

That is easier to type

Are you confused about how there is 2 graphic novels or...?

I saw @wary cove was gonna type something

What do you have to say?

[ripe berry]

Oh yeah

[errant hazel]

God damn, now I'm really confused

This chat can be dead for a day, and when I forgot to check, if someone typed something, I always find like 120 messages

That sucks :/

[ripe berry]

Yep

[errant hazel]

Too late

I read it, and I'm really confused

[tribal talon]

Yo can i say some lore?

or theorys

[gray dome]

yes? obv

[wary cove]

I saw @wary cove was gonna type something
@ripe berry i was?

[oblique drum]

why do you still have the old reply function

[spare inlet]

why do you still have the old reply function
@oblique drum they brought it back dude

[oblique drum]

i dont have it😭

unless

ur trolling me🤨

[spare inlet]

Nah I'm trolling

[oblique drum]

this guy

just sent a scam

i think

[spare inlet]

Just use > before the text

[oblique drum]

i can also do this

[spare inlet]

Yeah

[torpid sinew]

cool

hahahaha

DAMMIT

[wary cove]

Hello

[gleaming violet]

amogus

[hazy slate]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-steve-carrell-unamused-meh-gif-16391448

[fiery otter]

Put this in the off-topic channel

[indigo birch]

Ok sorry

[brave nova]

bruh

[silver vine]

man, I wonder how the town turned from a normal happy town into a suburban dystopia with most if not all citizens having secrets

that too within, a couple of months

[errant hazel]

Damn, I would like to live in Raven Brooks

[chrome palm]

Sus

[shrewd sedge]

Wow you got the whole squad laughing 😂😂😂😐😐😐

[hazy slate]

@silver vine it makes me wonder if the thing is a demon that feeds off of fear

[silver vine]

nah

[amber cove]

why

[wicked heath]

What

Anyway, lets get back to lore

[cunning musk]

Idk I haven't kept track of the lore

[versed yacht]

yes the neighbor has a rapping career

[silver vine]

hes a world renowned engineer

[cunning musk]

you dont remember the poster from hide and seek?

[silver vine]

what poster

[cunning musk]

i meant for hide and seek

[silver vine]

yes

what poster?

[cunning musk]

The promotional poster

[silver vine]

what does he do there?

does he rap in the poster? doesnt look like that to me

there are only three posters which has neighbor in it

in one, hes just standing there

in another, hes lying with his kids, holding a shovel

in the third one, hes seen wearing his gloves

[gleaming violet]

Neighbor is a very popular rapper

[mint briar]

hello

thank you

[gray dome]

bro wtf

[wary cove]

Ok

[mint briar]

Thank you

[cunning musk]

Did anyone use a dark light on the posters?

[amber cove]

no

[old mirage]

So is hello puppets part of the hello neighbor universe?

[wicked heath]

No

[wicked heath]

Wat

[tribal talon]

I think the shadow man is actually two different entities.

Our protagonist faces one in the fear sequences and its just that, fear. Fear in his childhood etc.

However the other is the neighbors demon. A demon of guilt who haunts his life. When entering the house on the neighbours back (possibly a symbol of the weight of his past always crushing him) we see it appear above his daughters grave as he feels guilty about her death. It appears in the basement because its where he locked up his son. And it also appears when he hangs up his poster as he knows exactly where his son is. And he remembers his daughters death. This is further supported by the act 3 basement as their is nothing there but the shadow spirit. Nothing left for the neighbor except guilt. Of course everything in act 3 is symbolism so we can take this as a sign. The first two acts are real so the shadow man only appears in the act where things are not real. While he appears to the protagonist at the start this is the result of a panic attack and can be dismissed.

This is further supported by the ending as we see the neighbor boarding up his trauma and guilt to the back of his mind even though it still haunts him and tries to get to him. But he will never open the door, he will never face his demons and so the shadow will always exist. This occurs after we defeat the shadow. OUR shadow. So only by defeating our demons can we realise the neighbor had some of his own and we can get over this image we have built him up as.

In one of the highest rooms in act 3 we see a doll house, high heels and a picture of the neighbor and his family. This is at the top of the house in a room only accessible by window. Something the neighbor could never pull off. So he can never come to terms with the memory of his family. The shadow in the basement and the memory up above it shows no matter where the neighbor goes he cannot escape what has happened. No amount of building and boarding up can ever change what happened.

We see this building used as a coping mechanism after the death of his wife and as he loses more family he builds more and it gets worse over time. While act 3 was symbolic, I think It holds true when representing the neighbor as well as us. The neighbor would be a monster if it was just us as he was in the finale. And only by seeing past that can we see his demon, and face OUR true fear and then fully appreciate what has happened.

The shadow man is a symbol of the neighbors guilt and sorrow over what has happened. Wherever the neighbor is now the shadow man is sure to follow. I personally believe the son is dead since he may have burned down the act II house and died in the process, the neighbor could not have died as we see him in the sequel.

That's all I have for now. A story about a man who had everything, lost everything and will never come to terms with anything. The door remains shut, boarded up and locked with anything he can find in any attempt to not face his guilt.

[shrewd dove]

Nice essay, I almost read the whole thing

[versed yacht]

Who's going to tell them

[wary cove]

?

[versed yacht]

They're right but uh

[shrewd dove]

I’m good

[versed yacht]

It's already kinda been confirmed

[shrewd dove]

trololol

[versed yacht]

They kinda just typed out a whole essay over a confirmed theory

[shrewd dove]

Plus they are kinda wrong, the shadow man is not a symbol of guilt, it’s a symbol of their biggest fear, the reason it’s a man, is because Peterson’s is Aaron, and Nicky’s is Peterson. If your biggest fear is an elaphant, the guy in the basement is the shadow elaphant lol.

[versed yacht]

While I don't think Peterson's fear is Aaron himself, I think it's the fear of losing Aaron. I never really connected the dots but after rereading the books I've realized that Aaron blames himself for everything, Peterson is just trying to protect him. But that also ties into another theory I have

[shrewd dove]

Peterson legit blames Aaron for everything, being the “bad omen“ though. So yea he morns for aaron, but it’s possible he is legit “scared” of him.

Idk it’s hard to tell.

[versed yacht]

What if the reasons the shadows are so different in size is because they are indeed Aaron and Peterson? Nicky's shadow is huge because Nicky saw him as this huge monster, that could kill him with just a simple glance, while Peterson's shadow is smaller, and shorter, like a child.

They're also the exact same shadow, which brings up the "like father like son" theme

[versed yacht]

Also about this

I don't think it's ever directly confirmed but I'm pretty sure it's implied Aaron thinks he's a bad omen

Not Peterson

[shrewd dove]

Yea, I knew that the size difference is because of Peterson and Aaron. Also it was confirmed in the neighbor’s diary or whatever it’s called.

[versed yacht]

I could be wrong but

[shrewd dove]

[versed yacht]

I hope they don't kill Aaron off

He has a lot of potential

[shrewd dove]

Well we will only know if someone is very scared of elaphants in Hn2 lol

[versed yacht]

Quentin's biggest fear

elephants

[shrewd dove]

He will likely die, which is what I think drives Peterson to be the Guest. He can’t be the Guest and do all this if he has Aaron to lose. All that baggage is holding him back, if Aaron dies, he will do anything (whatever the Guest is doing.)

[versed yacht]

Makes sense

Aaron can't become the guest if he doesn't die afterall

[shrewd dove]

Cough did you just bring up the Aaron guest theory

[gleaming violet]

canon

[shrewd dove]

The only thing that bugs me a bit is a comment in the neighbor’s diary is the mention of the shadow man. He is described as something that haunts all of raven brooks, so there is more to it than a representation of fear. Since it’s a real thing, idk how though.

sus

[versed yacht]

The neighbors notebook is pretty debatable whether or it's canon or not

[shrewd dove]

Yea kind of disapointing, I hope they make a better one for HN2 maybe, because there is a whole detailed town now, it would be cool.

[versed yacht]

Agreed

[violet sierra]

it would be cool if dynamic pixels answered that simple yes or no question

if it was cannon or not

[versed yacht]

I mean according to Nikita everything is canon

So

[gleaming violet]

alphas are canon

https://tenor.com/view/troll-pilled-gif-19289988

Hello Bendy is canon

[hazy slate]

Question, Does the ending of HE suggest the start of the timeloop?

if so

we don't see ted actually do anything to start it.

So does this mean someone else is doing it?

and also.

they are still kids,

Perhaps this has been going on alot longer?

[versed yacht]

It's a bit confusing but

Yeah pretty much

[hazy slate]

Perhaps the man in the hat is doing it?

I never saw Ted do anything during that cutscene

and he looked angry

[tame quartz]

you mean Norman Darby

why does no one know that

[hazy slate]

that's not confirmed.

[tame quartz]

it was

[hazy slate]

unless there's something that does

[tame quartz]

in Puzzle Master

his identity was confirmed.

and he matches his look

[hazy slate]

what page?

[tame quartz]

hold up

[versed yacht]

He's described more like Quentin than MiTH

[hazy slate]

I know darby is a time traveler but I don't think he's the one behind the loop

also

did anyone ever find the person in the update?

[versed yacht]

That was just them talking about MiTH I think

Because people checked the files

And there was nothing

[hazy slate]

but wasn't he always here before that?

[versed yacht]

Yeah

No idea why they did that but

[hazy slate]

unless they covered it up so they couldn't find them in the files

perhaps cleverly hid parts of the model?

[tame quartz]

also how is Marcia apart of the lore

[violet sierra]

I haven't Played HE, what happens in the ending

[tame quartz]

the whole fortune thing is a different arc

with Aaron Cleave and yknow

but the timeloop includes the Guest,and new characters!?!?!

[hazy slate]

Idk why Mrs. Tillman became a important person to the lore

[versed yacht]

I do still wonder who this is tho

[hazy slate]

I wasn't expecting Mrs. Tillman to go from a comedy charater to major lore charater

[hazy slate]

same

it looks like big foot in a way

but maybe it's a guy in a winter coat?

[whole elbow]

Female Neighbor

[violet sierra]

It's 3 imbirs in a trenchcoat wearing a wig

with

gloves

[versed yacht]

truly

[hazy slate]

lol

[violet sierra]

yoo, what happens at the end of HE

[hazy slate]

I think it's the beginning of the time loop

or something

[violet sierra]

ok

i figured that

but

what

happens

[hazy slate]

hold on

you'll have to suffer the misfortune of watching VGN

skip to

1:51

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w3wu5df9XU

[violet sierra]

thanks

hmmm

interesting

[hazy slate]

the time loop seems to work via the towns wires.

[violet sierra]

if it is the time loop*

its not the time loop

it is obviously

them being done with the car

so they walk away

[hazy slate]

they teleport?

[violet sierra]

and start taking pictures in a dif park

no

they walk

away

idiot

[hazy slate]

there's purple lighting where they were standing dude.

[violet sierra]

photoshop

error with the recording

corrupted file

it could be anything

[hazy slate]

[hazy slate]

is there anything in the files that suggest ANYTHING about this guy?

[versed yacht]

Not to my knowledge

[hazy slate]

nothing with fur

no winter coats

no long hair?

[versed yacht]

I haven't checked personally, I just know others have

[hazy slate]

Hm

one day someone should get a group and look for this guy

both in game and in the files

cause there's a chance it's well hidden

[vernal kraken]

oh yeah they mentioned that in october right?

I wonder if it's in a future update

[silver vine]

well, SN confirmed that everyone in the town sees the thing

the magazine

so, its fears of everyone

[gray dome]

who

[gray dome]

h

how?

[silver vine]

the magazine

[gray dome]

or

oops double ping

you can watch the better vid of the ending

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2tsfcsEHXo

[gray dome]

which one

[silver vine]

the one with the thing on the cover

[gray dome]

from what I heard, its just devil neighbor

I think

ok let me check hold on

[gray dome]

where in the name of god

i cant find them wtf

other than one

[gray dome]

ok i found, theyre called megazins

[gray dome]

ok what about it

@silver vine apparently i didnt ping so hi

[silver vine]

hi