lore-discussion

[serene oriole]

yes

[limber ridge]

Oh alright

[serene oriole]

i deleted it cuz i responded to the wrong message

[serene oriole]

ok

[unkempt sleet]

#hn3-discussion message

and this

[serene oriole]

stil ldoesn't proof my theory wrong

[limber ridge]

What theory

[solar vale]

Im thinking now he is ragebaiting

[serene oriole]

my theory that almost all the games take place in alternate timeliines where stuff like the towns placement and layout along with the house layout and meny other things

[unkempt sleet]

okay

you can go with that, nobodys stopping you

we're just not thinking that's the case ourselves

[serene oriole]

i never said i have a problem with yall beleiving that

[limber ridge]

Well i would agree that some games are in different "timelines"

Just not all of them

[unkempt sleet]

i havent said anything that implies you did either

[serene oriole]

again the story only makes sense if u don't take it seriously

it's justr that these hn lore nerds hate the idea of the franchises story isn't serious

[limber ridge]

Wdym by serious

[silver vine]

hi

[limber ridge]

Hi

[serene oriole]

like they want believe that everything is possible and makes sense with normal logic

which is just not the case

[limber ridge]

I guess not

[silver vine]

but Nikita has said that everything is the same contiinuity tho

[limber ridge]

Not fully grounded on a surface level

[silver vine]

and additionally, one of the devs said in a qna that everything we experience in the HN franchise are like urban legends/myths of what actually happened in universe

[serene oriole]

first of all no proof, and second if all i'v already said multiple times that i'm not saying i think my theory is the actual story of hn i'm just saying that logically that's the only explenation, unless i'm proven wrong

yall keep saying that the devs say these things with no evidence

[limber ridge]

He said everything is canon

[silver vine]

I have evidence

its a youtube vid

[serene oriole]

execpt for the only things that don't prove my theory wrong

[silver vine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qucQFN3Dtyc

7:03

[serene oriole]

that's not even proof of what ur saying lol

anyway i gotta go

[limber ridge]

Literally just ask for evidence

[silver vine]

?

[serene oriole]

dawg i don't speak unkranian

[silver vine]

theres subtitles dawg

[limber ridge]

Use subtitles for translation

[serene oriole]

bro i genuinlyu do not understand anything that he's talking about cuz it's google translated and i don't feel like typing in the exact sentence in unkrainian into a different translator

[silver vine]

go to settings>audio track>english

it will automatically get translated

[limber ridge]

Wdym

[serene oriole]

"canon but not in the way you think"

[limber ridge]

The subtitles look pretty clear

[serene oriole]

it's just jumbled up english what did u expect from google translate

ofc i can't understand it

[silver vine]

do this

the audio will get translated to english

[unkempt sleet]

everyone seems to focus on the "not in a way you think" part so much that they overlook the first part, yes there will be an explanation in a way we dont think, but it's still gonna be an explanation under the case of "theyre all canon"

[serene oriole]

any i gtg go now i just wanted to watch the video so that no one would say that i didn't talk about it becuz i knew it proved my theory wrong

[serene oriole]

DAWG WHAT DO U THINK I DID?

[limber ridge]

Ughh

The translation worked pretty clearly for me

[silver vine]

same

[limber ridge]

I don't see any problems with it

[serene oriole]

yeah as in "it's canon, but only if u don't think about the small details"

well maybe i have to watch the full video do understand what bro is talking about but i don't feel like watching background footage of the worst game in the franchise for 11 mins

anyway byeeee

[limber ridge]

"are all the franchise projects rumours? Or can we be sure of anything? And in general i'd like to shed more light on rumours and how they work" what's jumbled up here

[silver vine]

didnt I already give you the time stamp

its 7:03

[limber ridge]

It sounds a bit rough sure

But it's understandable

[serene oriole]

not for me, not pls stop pinging me

[serene oriole]

i did tht bruv

[limber ridge]

I was replying to my comment...

[limber ridge]

And the answer is better.
"In general when playing hello neighbor you encounter rumours and urban legends, each of which are interpretations of real events"

[paper atlas]

So we know the guest isn’t supernatural but dose that mean nothing is supernatural or because how do u explain reset day and the coins and more? Or is it just the fact that in universe this is all just apart of the folk lore\Chinese whispers?

Found a work around

[ripe berry]

the Neighbor's Notebook is NOT a reliable information source

Nikita has also put Theodore in his late 40s early 50s in HNHS in official interviews which is more reliable then a book that can't even use the right map for the Act 1 House
https://youtu.be/6X3_w2vANW4?t=2728

[ripe berry]

also the bit after Option 3 is just ultimately landing back on the confirmed fact that Theodore in Hello Neighbor 3 is 85 years old

[ripe berry]

if we use the 47 thing (earliest Age Nikita gives) and his confirmed birth year of 1943
you can argue HNHS has been retconned to 1990 and HN1 1991

which would put Aaron's birthdate in 1978 (assuming his book age applies) and Mya at 1980 (same as with Aaron, assuming book ages apply)

but it feels weird to suddenly move everything from 1995-1997 back about 5-6 years

[paper atlas]

The log book says exact same age for Theo it say 40s so it could mean late 40s or worse case he is 5 years older than what my theory said but ye your correct log book isn’t a good source

[wicked heath]

Oh no not the neighbor guide book…

[paper atlas]

Ye that’s what where saying not a great source

Tbh actualy think about it it’s prob the worst lol

[paper atlas]

That’s what I’m saying basically put hello Neighbor 1 in 1987 then nothing changes litruely nothing oh and obvs hn 2 and hide and seek

One more thing tho it’s very silly is that in the store u can find a nes witch when comparing the release date it could be the consel enzo had in the books and would match with Nicky saying new and fancy

[paper atlas]

That’s the thing tho GAAP was retconned so this could to and it’s not a small accidental thing either

Since they had to purposely make only one map have no mud on that specific spot and to even include a date at all

[ripe berry]

doesn't Guidebook give an exact age which has him be 30 something in 1992? it means early 40s

[ripe berry]

I would say there's a difference
but the only difference really is "did Nikita have direct control over the production of the story?"

[ripe berry]

Imma play along for a bit and try to see if I can run into a timeline impossibility
Buried Secrets says Theodore gets in a plane crash in the 70s after already becoming a famous inventor (not park designer yet due to the other thing Imma mention) and also his first theme park WAS in 1984 according to Bosco Bay
so we have to also shift all of that stuff back, if shift all of these book dates by the same amount
we land on:
1976 for his first park
and his plane crash was sometime in the late 60s to early 70s
and things from the 60s likely wouldn't be impacted since Character Ages still makes sense for those parts of the timeline so we have the plane crash happen sometime between 1965 and 1976
Except we can narrow things down a bit more because his 1977 marriage to Diane would become 1969 (Still possible without being weird so I'll shift it back)
if Ted was still in RB in 1969 like HN2 would imply that puts his crash and the time where he has to become world famous before even opening his first theme park somewhere between 1970-1976
except with HN1 1987 that puts Aaron's birthdate in 1974 so we have to close it even further to 1970-1974
however due to... y'know... humans taking 9 months to be born... it's more likely 1970-1973
...I was somewhat expecting to run into a problem where the window of time for something was shrunk down way too far.

...
wait!

#lore-discussion message

the Mayor's Mansion seems to align with masnions from the 1990s

so pushing it into the 1980s wouldn't make sense

so I'd slightly un-compress the timeline if I were you and use HN1 1991 instead to allow that fact to at least somewha work

[little lodge]

Oh my word.

In the 2 months I've been gone WHAT has HN3 done to the lore?!

It looks like the belief on the timeline's nature has GENUINELY shifted at LEAST 5 times 🥀

[novel harness]

Bruh

[primal goblet]

Guys,I just found Quentin's camera! (Closest thing)

[paper atlas]

Except the only thing is as I said retconed a buildings design being retconed is the last thing that would make it matter oh and the log books says 40s so u could interpret it as late 40s : )

Plus it makes no less sense to change all of that than it dose to what they did to GAAP what I’m basically saying is if they changed GAAPS time who’s to say they didn’t change the rest with it

Also don’t know if I mentioned it but it would line up with a way Theo’s parents still worked at the mayak since in the books it was 50s to 60s witch again would line up with my GA timeline

[dapper arch]

It was a misclick

I swear

[ripe berry]

GAAP in 1984. Need I say more

[ripe berry]

no it means exactly 40 years old during Missing Pieces
if you scroll down to the bit about the GAAP it attributes something from about 3 years before Missing Pieces to a 37 Year Old Theodore

[paper atlas]

Ye true but even if u forget that book and just say 49 for instants the idea would still work

[ripe berry]

also, although I've proposed the Supermarket being a part of the GAAP Celebrations, I've had an alternate theory (never shared here due to the common consensus that HN3 is standalone) that ties in Book lore (INCLUDING the EarthPro problem- in-fact the whole thing was an attempt to fix the EarthPro problem) and at least to me doesn't seem to have any problems outside of the timeline inconsistency HN3 itself made
Might DM you the idea I had to explain it

[buoyant orbit]

Has the story of the best main character ended?

The nicky

Legend nicky

[silver vine]

yes

[paper atlas]

ye

[paper atlas]

your idea would work but it just has no evidence plus theres other work arounds like by the time the legal hearing was done it could of been around 86 giving them time to build the store and still go bankrupt and that would also give a reason for the store being built it could be that they built it in hopes it would pay of the legal fees and any peniltys (oh and sry i dont realy do ms that way any one one a can intervine with the theories and help everyone learn more)

[wanton roost]

legend nicky

[solar vale]

idiot, weak, coward. Yeah legend

[limber ridge]

Is it fair to call him a coward when he did go in the basement despite Teddy stopping him and him hearing Aaron screaming?
Like yeah he was traumatised after but i think even going there isn't exactly a coward thing.

[paper atlas]

Agreed

[solar vale]

Brave coward

Still nicky is very unnecessary

[paper atlas]

not unesasary at all without him hn1 wouldnt happen nor 2 and raven brooks wouldnt be so barren since when he got freed it got the attention of quinton and along the way trying to solve the myster he uncovered the cult witch then for one reason or another leed the cult to dissolve meening they werent funding the town and since ga was no longer around to suport the town the cult WAS the last thing but because of nicky they where discovered and raven brooks is the away it is in hn3 and techincly its also his fault mya is dead since she told him a day or two beofre that the familty was getting wporse an dasked for his help but he didnt causing the death of mya witch yet agin is the reason aron was lockeed up in the 1st place oh and last thing being thath hn3 wouldnt even happen since theo would still live at his house not the mayak meening bob novak wouldnt of gone missing

[solar vale]

https://tenor.com/view/arriba-gif-12324188786972117417

This text is very long

[paper atlas]

lol

[paper atlas]

ins short then

hang on

he caused a chain of events that made EVERYTHING happen even the state of the town

[solar vale]

other medias and games are connecting to hn3?

[paper atlas]

as far as im aware

[paper atlas]

nikita siad thats everythings canon just not the way u think

[solar vale]

Im believing "everything is canon to itself"

[paper atlas]

nah he said its all in 1 continoity

no alternite universes

[solar vale]

I know

[paper atlas]

👍

[solar vale]

But its weird

If campfire ending in p3 is canon (i mean if this ending will be in full game or next versions), we can say everything is just some stories by people

[paper atlas]

it was removed in pre alpha

[limber ridge]

It is stories, though they are based on the actual events and locations of Raven Brooks.

[solar vale]

Yeah

[paper atlas]

hey thats what i was typing lol

[limber ridge]

We don't even need P3 ending to be canon for that now

[paper atlas]

ye

[limber ridge]

Because of the Aleksandr interview

[paper atlas]

what interview

[solar vale]

But im wondering how devs will connect everything. Other writer says gaap opened before on 1984, other writer says gaap opened on 1992 etc etc

[paper atlas]

simple retcon

[limber ridge]

This interview

[paper atlas]

thx

[solar vale]

hn3 except everything would be uncanon

[limber ridge]

Because it's in-universe urban legends

That's how they connected it

[solar vale]

Thats what i said

[limber ridge]

Then wdym by "i'm wondering how devs will connect everything"

[solar vale]

I thought you said thats wrong

[paper atlas]

my fault i wasnt very clear

[solar vale]

Np

[paper atlas]

why is no one talking about the fact that in this interview its bassicly confirmed that the forest dweller and the guest are the same person!!! people have been treating it like its not!!!

[solar vale]

Idk someone shared it before but here is some lore thing (that 4 characters' clothes are same)

[paper atlas]

prob nothing beatrix was shelved and quintons is a skin and bottom left is also shelved

[eager island]

actually this ties to a theory that is made exactly here

so yeah it is shared before

[solar vale]

Ok

[paper atlas]

good catch tho

[solar vale]

I saw it from anotherone btw

[inland folio]

i find it hilarious that quentin used to have huge boots like pumpkin kid

and now the neighbor has the big ol boots

in hn3

[solar vale]

Are we sure hn2 alpha kids are fully scrapped?

[indigo orchid]

wdym

[paper atlas]

most likely since quinton dosnet investigate it in hn2

[indigo orchid]

forest dweller is a nickname people use so its not mixed with the actual guest like the god

[solar vale]

Quinton

[limber ridge]

I don't think so

[paper atlas]

give me a minute i have to thgink how to propaly excpalin

[limber ridge]

And people do think forest dweller is the Guest, kind of

Or like at least i do

[indigo orchid]

I mean forest dweller is The "Guest" right

like the fake one

[paper atlas]

so in the files its forest dweller an dits just a way as u said so people dont get confused but also lost of people tghink there to difrent people but in the interview he calles them as one

[solar vale]

If someone confused;
Guest = urban legend
"Guest" = forest dweller = fake guest = aaron (?)

[limber ridge]

I think that he is the guest but he uses the image of The mascot to gain a following

[paper atlas]

let me find time stamp

[limber ridge]

And the Guest in HN2 seems to do the same, given that there's urban legends and stuff of him around for ages

[paper atlas]

cant find timestamp

[limber ridge]

So the forest dweller is really just another take on the Guest character from HN2, making him the Guest, methinks.
It's just a lot better to refer to him as Forest dweller to avoid confusion

[eager island]

the guest and the "guest" though

[paper atlas]

ye i knwo that

[paper atlas]

im just saying i have heard people say that its to difgrent people

[eager island]

they have different identities

but conceptually they are same the "guest"

while not being the guest

[paper atlas]

thats what i am trying expalian in the ibnter view he said bassicly after all of the years we will see the ONE behind the mask inidcating its one human behind the guest

[paper atlas]

i understand what u meen

im just sayuing whats in the interview

so what im trying to say is the intervbiew makes it look like theres one person being the guest since the begining one human

[limber ridge]

It's one behind the mask for HN3, HN2 has a different one

[paper atlas]

i know what ur saying

[paper atlas]

im just saying that its worded like its one human i beileive two aswell im just saying

sins other wise i think hes moving pretty well for his age lol

[eager island]

and thats because its one human?

[limber ridge]

There's one in the context of HN3

[paper atlas]

well the interview makes it look that way

[limber ridge]

A different one in the context of HN2

[paper atlas]

ye

[eager island]

its still the case even without interview

[paper atlas]

i knwo

[paper atlas]

we realy dont definitivly know until more evidence is prosented

[eager island]

where is the evidence of the guest being people

and not just one person

[paper atlas]

tbh i dont knwo its just as u know im new to the server and when i joined every one was saying that all i can gather is age so idk

[paper atlas]

i do hope thats the case

[eager island]

age?

[paper atlas]

hes running on all 4s he has to be to old for that now lol even peterson uses shovel as walking stick

[eager island]

how do you know he is old

[ripe berry]

I remember pointing this out lol

[paper atlas]

well he is likely same age as theo given 5 years each way

[eager island]

likely because of what

the guest of hn3 didnt even appeared until 2008

[paper atlas]

well in 1996 hge was already about minimom 20s and now its 2028

[eager island]

.

[paper atlas]

since when

[limber ridge]

Devlog 4 news segment

[paper atlas]

hang on

[eager island]

people keep disappearing in surrounding areas of Raven brooks for past 20 years, authorities refuse to comment

[ripe berry]

it says disappearances started 20 years ago

which is tied to the Forest and therefore the Forest Dweller

[eager island]

not to mention that it say surrounding areas of rb

and not rb

which points out the forest

[paper atlas]

maybe when the cult left and stop coveriung there tracks or was the point when he chagend to the macot vers

[limber ridge]

5:30 is the timestamp

[paper atlas]

its fien uv jogged my memeory

[eager island]

i have no idea about that this means

[paper atlas]

so the cult had all the higher ups in the town they possibly hid the fact of the kidnappings until they left

or

he only started doingthat 20 years ago

[eager island]

or they just simply didnt know what was going on

we know that people didnt find out about the forest dweller until 2028

the people who encountered him believed its the guest

[paper atlas]

true

[ripe berry]

well, they didn't in other non-HN3 media
MJ is a prime example
A missing person caused due to the cult that is public knowledge

[paper atlas]

they didnt what

[eager island]

they refused to comment because they also didnt know what was going on

[paper atlas]

couldnt agree more

[ripe berry]

cover up disappearances

also good to know we can ignore Prototype 3 when theorizing lore rn

[paper atlas]

well whos to say only the only missing peoples that i can think of in hn2 s mya and aron

[paper atlas]

thats the thing we woudlnt knwo

[limber ridge]

There's a missing journalist that Quentin came in town to replace

[paper atlas]

that was prob theo tho

[paper atlas]

and journilist from the banner have always doen that

[ripe berry]

the RBBArchives and related stuff implies otherwise

[limber ridge]

Always done what

[paper atlas]

gone missing

[ripe berry]

there's tapes we link to MJ recording the Guest
a youtuber package said "He Got Too Close To Them" as a hidden message regarding MJ, which links to Norman Darby talking about "those of us who get too close" when talking cult
and also THEYCROW

[limber ridge]

Oh

[paper atlas]

true true

im going to do that thing now heere i write on apple notes for like 50 pages lol be bakc later or tmrw bye

[ripe berry]

cya mate

[limber ridge]

What do we think this means

Did pre alpha show it and i just missed it?

[ripe berry]

I mean...
Aaron was a killer, but not in a way most would think

[buoyant orbit]

Nooooooooo

[next sierra]

Maybe the guest is the reason for all the establishments closing? That caused at least 1 death (janusz, who blew up his own house over sadness)

[paper atlas]

Here’s the evidence of there being one or two guest

[paper atlas]

Nah it was lightning and the stores is storms and the cult

By lighting I mean Janus’s

Janzus

[next sierra]

Can you rephrase? I didn't understand you

[paper atlas]

I one sec

[next sierra]

And also, I remember watching a youtuber play hn3 pre-alpha, entering Janusz's house and watching him explode it by lighting up the gas system

[paper atlas]

The reason Januzus house did that was a lightning strike not him blowing up and the reason the town it basically bankrupt is storms and the cult AND the disappearances mostly the storms

[paper atlas]

Il start how and film it and janzus 😊

[limber ridge]

No he broke his boiler and that made the bakery blow up

[paper atlas]

now im doughting myself lol

give me 20 ins

cause obvs when u give him the book he gose away so iam make sure he stays there and see if thg ebakery still dose it im filming it

[paper atlas]

test one of 2 if u give janszus book bkery is fine test inconclosive 2cnd test needed

[paper atlas]

i feel like a test 3 is needed but i just gonna take the l here u guys where prob right my bad

[paper atlas]

gg

[next sierra]

I'm gonna test it myself once I get back home

[paper atlas]

1st test gave him the book so he wasnt there 2cnd knocked him out and held him so he couldnt in neither test the bakery exploded tho a 3rd scenerio is needed that being viewing him the bakery blows up without interfiering with his day

[next sierra]

I'm gonna do scenario 3

[limber ridge]

He didn't do it on purpose though

[paper atlas]

didnt sayhe did

[alpine crystal]

Covered

You're a cup of tea, and I am AM

[alpine crystal]

Mikita himself said there are 2 guests, you don't have to prove anything.

[paper atlas]

oh when lol

[alpine crystal]

In HN3 discussion

Yeah I gotta find the message

[paper atlas]

ok thx

[cinder lark]

lmao

[alpine crystal]

"Hate, let me tell you how much I hate since I began to live"

[alpine crystal]

Yeah I can't find one

Skadoosh! @limber ridge

[alpine crystal]

Find it for me

[paper atlas]

lol whats happening

[alpine crystal]

I wanted to reference captain America: civil war

And I couldn't find the message you wanted to see

[paper atlas]

thats fine 🙂

[clear lynx]

I believe that the neighbor and mr peterson might be connected to eachother but i just can't prove it

[limber ridge]

He only confirmed that HN2 Guest isn't the same as HN3

[paper atlas]

thx

[alpine crystal]

Oh no I wanted "Are you talking about the guest or the "guest"?👀 "

[unkempt sleet]

franklin hn2 guest, aaron hn3 guest truly

[paper atlas]

agread

[paper atlas]

wow ur faster thatn my wifi

[ripe berry]

so uh... that's somewhat new. Guest and "Guest" is not a folklore thing

Also-

[eager island]

yea guest (assuming thats the statue/urban legend one) is seperated from folklore

[ripe berry]

Guest is probably the statue
Guest? is probably FD

[eager island]

yeah

[ripe berry]

I mean, Aaron was a killer but not in a way most think, and isn't necessarily evil

[silver vine]

aw hell nah

Franklin dead as hell

[ripe berry]

(the evidence keeps stacking up)

[eager island]

do you think guest being seperate from folklore might be mean there will be another physical one

i personally dont but its interesting

[ripe berry]

maybe...?

[unkempt sleet]

hear me out, what if he's not dead but his mind has been broken by whatever happened at the Well

He still lived, grew up but not as the same person he was before the incident

would explain the jesus painting being in the show since it's showing an adult Franklin in the show's context

[limber ridge]

Thinking it means he's a bit more complimicated than evil or it's Nikita screwing with us.

[ripe berry]

afk

[paper atlas]

its not the 1st time we have heard about this tho since in the graphic novel the guest isnt textbook evil we he takes what he think people dont deserve let me see if i can find it it says "your the local legend the one who takes things that you think people dont deserve" this would also line up with the "folk lore" section

but it also could be option2

[unkempt sleet]

the signs

the signs were always there

[paper atlas]

I THOUGHT EVERYONE NEW THIS!!!!! (im mad bcause since i thought evryone new so i never said anything lol )

just whant u to know im not blaming u for not realizing or anything it is such a small detail in the grand scheme of things 🙂

[ripe berry]

I knew this existed but I don't think any of us connected it to the HN3 Golden Apple Corp stuff until now

[paper atlas]

thats the only part of hn3 that didnt surprise me i think i missed something taht made me accidently solve it years ago lol

[ripe berry]

I mean even then there were some things that instantly clicked around the time of Prototype 3
Like you know how the Cinema is a G.A. Corp property and HN3 indicates it to be a huge part of their origins?

well one of the main parts of the Secret Neighbor version of the GAAP is literally a Theater

[paper atlas]

dont recall the secret neighbor stuff but yet again i also dont recall the last time i played it lol where u getthat cool artwork from!!!

[ripe berry]

Hello Neighbor 3

[paper atlas]

where

[ripe berry]

the Museum

[paper atlas]

again where?

sry i usaly speed run the museom to anoying i use the ladder technice only vere seen the newspapers

[ripe berry]

it's a photo on the wall
been a bit since I've played so I don't recall exactly where

[paper atlas]

ah fair eneugh

silly thing but u know the quiston of if the hoffmasn allways had ga well hes blue and so is alma small but intresting

[ripe berry]

gotta love how much stuff can connect with the Golden Apple Corp before HN3 even if you look for it
their Supermarket and Factory's in Hello Neighbor 1, with hints to the GAAP
The Cinema's hinted to with Secret Neighbor
HN2 shows how far they reach in the town

[paper atlas]

that was always the part i looked into the most years ago i always loved the GA aspect of the story

its actualy my fave part

[ripe berry]

technically their Gas Station is also possibly in Hello Neighbor 1 but there's some weirdness going on there

[limber ridge]

Blue seems like just the default colour

[ripe berry]

(Act 1 has two Gas Stations in it's map, meanwhile even in reality Act 3 only has one)

[paper atlas]

as i said silly thing : )

[limber ridge]

Fair

[paper atlas]

i think tho i worked out the time line of the mayak

[ripe berry]

wait.
THERE ARE LITERALLY BILLBOARDS IN THE CITY WITH GOLDEN APPLES IN THE BACKGROUND
The Golden Apple Corp existing outside of Raven Brooks has hinted at in Hello Neighbor 1

[paper atlas]

1900 opens 1960 shuts the reason is 60s to 70s works for when they changed to goldne apples and when theos parents worked at the mayak in the books and in the butterfly effect devlog talks about a meotoroligist in the 60s aswell i have more but dont whjant to bore u

[paper atlas]

lol

[paper atlas]

this is why i love this franchise

could be coincedental and be a granny smiuth tho

[limber ridge]

The metereologist is like the actual coiner of the butterfly effect if i'm not mistaken

[paper atlas]

no ye i know i love that type of thing

[paper atlas]

i can just imigane being one of those things like the bill board being how did we miss that

hang on one minute

i have the full reasons in my ipad however it is curently charging...

[ripe berry]

there's also a random tree with a Golden Apple on it in HN1 in-case that has any relevance to this

[oblique drum]

wait until you hear about the golden apple tree man.

[paper atlas]

like the tree u can grow in peterson garden that has golden apples on it

[paper atlas]

uh same time lol

[oblique drum]

golden apple has been hinted at since the hn1 alphas

[paper atlas]

loike nickys t shirt

[ripe berry]

yeah, the company proper first appears in Alpha 3 iirc

and the first "hint" was in Alpha 1 I think?

[ripe berry]

(or at least people mistook the normal green apple on the rifle range for a Golden Apple)

[paper atlas]

im more of a book and ga expert lol

[ripe berry]

I thought it was on his pant leg but yeah

[paper atlas]

nah in the centre shirt

aswell

[ripe berry]

wasn't that a Sharkotron?

[paper atlas]

mandela effect lol i just checked

i thought it was both

[weak cobalt]

The Golden Apple Corp slowly taking over basically everything has to be the most interesting thing in Hello Neighbor for a while

[paper atlas]

i knwo just checked

[ripe berry]

yeah, all of the hints to the company's full control of Raven Brooks building up across media

and now Hello Neighbor 3's just spelling it out for us

[weak cobalt]

Now this whole Golden Apple situation has gotten WAYYYY more dangerous

[paper atlas]

i remember when the books 1st released i woudl read each one 3 times before moving to the next then i would wriete down the facts in multiple note books

i feel like sponegbob lol in that one meme saying im ready

[ripe berry]

then again it was probably mostly dismissed at first due to the books saying the company went bankrupt, but looking back
how the heck did we miss some of this stuff

[ripe berry]

(...nvm, apparently these are Granny Smiths...)

[paper atlas]

i wasnt even fully aware about the each media is rumors sice i wasnt on the discord i knew the games where rumors but i thought the books where concrete lol so nothing has changed dor me at all lol

😂

[limber ridge]

In all fairness that's like pretty new info

[paper atlas]

again didnt even know that

[limber ridge]

And i don't think everything is a rumour because

[paper atlas]

not everything but most

[limber ridge]

Nikita said at one point that act 1 of HN1 is the actual events and act 2 is a memory

[weak cobalt]

I mean, we all knew the Golden Apple was thrown around all over the place in basically every game. But we now know how to work with it a little better

[ripe berry]

also, Fear Supermarket, which is based off a fear Nicky developed at like 3 years old in the books, ALSO lowk shows the Golden Apple Corporation branching outside of Raven Brooks if you pay attention

[paper atlas]

wel hn1 is nickys dimentia

[paper atlas]

ooooooo subliminal mesaging

[ripe berry]

also the Checkout Stall has the Golden Apple on it

[paper atlas]

they already knew the whole gaap thing by then so im not to surprised

wiat is nicky sdimentia still canon

dimentchia

i cant spell it for the life of me lol

[indigo orchid]

I wonder if Alma will be the person to redeem the company if she ever gets the position

[ripe berry]

(or well, 4 eggs, one cracked with a Golden Apple inside)

[indigo orchid]

because I feel like ga has a really negative impact on the city

[paper atlas]

weirldy eneugh we dont knwo anything about herpersonality so who knwos

[limber ridge]

I don't think Nicky has dementia no

[ripe berry]

the Golden Apple Corporation has been confirmed to have existed outside of Raven Brooks SINCE THE BOOKS ESTABLISHED FEAR SUPERMARKET TO BE DUE TO SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF RB, and none of us realized

[paper atlas]

huh i know on the mobile port of hn1 it gives u push notifications saying help nicky rmember the past with his diemntia or something liuke that

[limber ridge]

Wasn't that for Nicky's diaries

[paper atlas]

well no not realy since nicky didnt have a clue what a golden apple was when he moved there

[paper atlas]

nope origanal dont knwo abnout nickys diares

but 100 percent was originaly there

[ripe berry]

he could see the logo and not know what it's for
remember, the Supermarket thing was when he was 3 years old

[paper atlas]

well ye but think how much he has the nightjmares never onc ein the books series dose nickyy conect the golden apples to them ones

even after exlporing the factorya nd park and researching the life out of it

[ripe berry]

...didn't he have a nightmare of him being in the park?

[ripe berry]

(and then woke up actually in the Park)

[paper atlas]

we see these nightmares in act 3 so it could be modern version of his nightmares after moving out of raven brooksa dding th eapplses

[limber ridge]

Wouldn't he learn eventually if golden apple is that popular

[ripe berry]

...fair

[paper atlas]

while they did plan very well i dont think they planned that far in advbance

[ripe berry]

but still

[paper atlas]

iknwo its probaly just over thinking it

[limber ridge]

Actually, is golden apple that popular outside of Raven Brooks

[paper atlas]

well judging from the pore aplha of hn3

yes

[ripe berry]

we do not know

[eager island]

didnt nikita said its country level company

[ripe berry]

HOWEVER
Nicky moved a lot and never heard of them depsite being 9 when they would've initially gone bankrupt

so in the Books in the 1980s-1990s? No

[paper atlas]

your not wrong...

wrong mesage

[limber ridge]

He did say they are a contry level

[ripe berry]

yoink!

[paper atlas]

ima go byeeee

[limber ridge]

Byeee

[ripe berry]

cya

[ripe berry]

this would definitely be around HN3 Times though

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah true

[eager island]

i dont think they went bankrupt anytime

[ripe berry]

they'd have a couple of decades to get that big after the GAAP Incident

[ripe berry]

I was referencing the og version of the book lore, rn that bit's up in the air

I personally think it still happens but I can see why it might not

[wary rapids]

Hello friends, I hope you're all doing well. I decided to return to the world of Hello Neighbor after many years. I've been reading and playing almost all the new content I've missed over the years, but I wanted to ask you if HN2 is 100% Canon, since I bought it and was going to start playing it. Thanks for your help.

[ripe berry]

...this is like THE worst time to ask

[wary rapids]

OK 😵

sorry

[ripe berry]

(Basically everything just got confirmed to be in-universe stories except maybe Hello Neighbor 3 not a long time ago)

[ripe berry]

no it's fine!

I was just making a comment on how right now there's no objective canon afawk

[ripe berry]

Based on truth but how much we have no idea

[wary rapids]

I understand, I was also a little doubtful about the canon when I saw a mobile phone in the animated series, when I think the game was in the 90s, thanks for replying.

[ripe berry]

yeah the timeline's a little wonky now

(Hello Neighbor 3 has the Golden Apple Amusement Park stuff in 1984 instead of 1992 for instance and the Animated Series as examples)

there's some events that are seemingly set in stone but outside of that everything surrounding those core events changes between media

[wary rapids]

I see what you mean, but what can you tell me about HN2? I read somewhere that someone said it wasn't part of the canon? I think they were wrong.

[ripe berry]

oh, that was a whole thing back in 2023

people thought the Animated Series and Hello Neighbor 2 were retconning everything (despite HN2 working just fine with everything else)

and that only stopped when Nikita said that everything was still canon ("but not in a way you think")

[ripe berry]

so the loudest voices in the community were all like "Everything that came before is Old Lore to Alex's flexible canon retcon New Lore, and Old Lore is better"
(Despite "Old Lore" products still dropping afterwards which should've indicated that no lore change occurred)

now we know the whole "Flexible Canon" thing is some campfire story stuff
like of course different storytellers are going to tell a campfire story differently

[wary rapids]

I understand, I'm really excited to play HN2, I really like the designs and Raven Brooks. Thanks for clarifying the situation.

[ripe berry]

You're welcome!
Oh, and as a bonus thing for you to know:
The Forest Sidequest is set after the main game, and if you also play the DLCs those are set before the main game

[wary rapids]

Thanks for the bonus, mate, I'll keep it in mind. I'm also really interested in HN3; the art style is captivating me.

[ripe berry]

yeah, even if HN3's a bit of a headache for the lore, can't wait to see what it has in store

(in-fact if you want a rough timeline of the games they go: Hide and Seek, Act 1, the VR Game, Act 2, the DLCs (Back to School first, then Late Fees), HN2, Hello Engineer, HN2 Forest, Act 3 + Finale, Diaries, HN3, with Secret Neighbor just kind of being a mix of everything pre-Act 3)

[wary rapids]

🤯🤯

[coral bobcat]

big lore idea what if the shadow man is not nicky turma but a movelent being that turns into the bird face btw this is a theroy so dont dox me

im kinda dumb for thinking this but like it kinda fits

[toxic sage]

Wait so the games books etc are different now

What does Alex mean by “We leaned with linear media that you have to make the right decisions within the medium itself”

[coral bobcat]

WE ARE HELLO NEIGHBOR WELCOME TO RAVN BROOKS

WHERE DA HELL IS SEASSON 3

anyway the guest are scary

[limber ridge]

That like there's changes that need to be done for a specific type of media.
For example:
Games change stuff for interactive elements.
Books for more psychological impact.
Cartoon for pacing.

[wicked heath]

It really makes you feel like they dont even care anymore

And just went “screw it, random b s’go!”

[limber ridge]

They have always been pretty different in what happens btw

I think that's more like a sort of justification to have them be different rather than actually being set in different universes/canons

(though books and games do have some differences even with each other)

[eager island]

i think weather station might be way more older

assuming thats built because of researching storms, its probably before the town "had a pact" with the guest

[eager island]

maybe like its one of the first buildings of the town

[novel harness]

that FNaF lore interruption is sure undeniably canon! Any way, hello henry!

[buoyant orbit]

Why did you suddenly go to FNAF?

[novel harness]

Your profile pic, idk

why do you think such thing of that

[paper atlas]

i am now fully convinced hn1 has been retconed to be in 87

reasons being

1 gaap in hn3 was built 84 insteed of 93 and its an important part of the story that both aron had to be at gaaps opening and be best friends with nicky but to be nickys age in 1993 is impowsible since there 12 when there friends (obviosly there age could be change but it couldndt by that much!)

2

in the books and nickys diares its stated they love playing on enzos new consel however in nickys diares the games for said coconse more so represents the nes wich would of been new in the 80s but old in the 90s and theres devices that resemble the nes in the ga shop

3

it dosnt realy change all that much in the story biggest thing being the mansion in hn2 represents more that of a 90s mansion but that is such a small detail and if gaap got retconed why not the design of the building

any quistions pls ask i have lots more evidence but thats just the surface

(i apoligies for the grammer mistakes i am truly awful at typing fast lol)

[novel harness]

meh

I don't think Aaron even met Nicky in HN1/HN3 timeline

as it was said, nicky never met neighbor in nikita interview

[paper atlas]

i think they did due to the fatc of multiple pieces of media saying he did like nickys diraes search and rescue the books (tho the canoniccuty i know isnt the samein the books)

oh not doen sry didnt meen to publish yet...

and from everything we know nickys diares is just as canon as hn1

[novel harness]

I thought nikita confirmed that nicky have never met neighbor until act 1

[novel harness]

everything is canon

[paper atlas]

even if he did dosnt meen he never met aaron

[paper atlas]

especialy if u think about the fact they always met up at the factory

[novel harness]

he didn't know anything about the neighbor in HN1

[novel harness]

only in the books\Nicky diaries

[paper atlas]

ye but nickys diares is canon 100%

[paper atlas]

its like chinese wispers

[novel harness]

everything is canon, not in the way you think

[novel harness]

Semi canon to HN1 tho

[paper atlas]

as i said nickys diares is just that his recolaction of the events

[paper atlas]

nope 100% sopem details may very since like i said rmemebering but key details like the fatcory are 9999999% sure are how they happend

[novel harness]

no, absolutely not, diaries are not in the same continuity with nikita timeline

[paper atlas]

exactly an dso it fits into everythings coanon just not the way ypu think so if nikita whants to change something for the his version they can say that he misremebered

either way search and rescue also conffrimes aron was their age meening it had to be pushed back in the timeline

[novel harness]

I had a hard time reading this

[paper atlas]

sry im awful at typing fast lol

[paper atlas]

il type slower just meens llonger response times

[novel harness]

oh alrighty

[paper atlas]

thx

so the point of all of it is if arron was nickys age when hn1 takes place witch books continuity or not/nickys diarres other media tells us he was like vr and more and we know vr is just as canon as hn2 becuase of the secret under the fountin and nikita said hn2 is still canon so in short aarons age dosnt line up if the timeline hasnt been pushed back until 1980s

[paper atlas]

oh and it lines up with the theory that aaron is the forest dweller bcase the forest dweller moves like he is getting old but if he was aron and it remeaind 90s then he would only be early 40s but if it was 80s then he would be in his 50s insteed

[ripe berry]

everything is canon
everything was confirmed in some russian interview to be in-universe rumors and stories and tales

[paper atlas]

and it would line up with theos parents running the mayak in this timeline to since petersons married in raven brooks likely before aarona nd mya they woudl have to of moved in in the 70s and in the books theos parents worked at the mayak in the 60s and 20 years woudl make sense for a theme park

[paper atlas]

thx

[paper atlas]

what do u think about this

[novel harness]

still not in the same continuity

[limber ridge]

I don't think so

[alpine crystal]

Why did you ping me

[novel harness]

I am bored

[alpine crystal]

Fair

[limber ridge]

Continuity doesn't necesarily mean different canon

[pastel isle]

If nicky knew Aaron before act 1 he def knew who Neighbor was so yeah..

[paper atlas]

thats what we are talking about they dosnt think he ever met aron

[limber ridge]

I meant i don't think Nikita confirmed that Nicky never met Teddy before act 1

[pastel isle]

Why wouldn't Nicky know Aaron, that's the whole reason he goes to the Neighbor's house in act 1. It's because he suspects aaron was locked in the basement.

[paper atlas]

thats what im saying!!!

[limber ridge]

It's not exactly the presented answer in all fairness

[silver vine]

hi

[paper atlas]

HI

[limber ridge]

He's playing with his ball, hears something then tries to break in

[pastel isle]

What's up.

[limber ridge]

Hello

[paper atlas]

nickys diares tho

[pastel isle]

I forgot the lore of HND, whoops. But like I swear he hears aaron literally screaming in act 1.

[paper atlas]

ye he dose

[limber ridge]

I thought this implied that for HN1 specifically without other sources

[pastel isle]

It is implied through just HN1, pretty sure.

[limber ridge]

Him hearing the scream doesn't mean he knew Aaron beforehand

[paper atlas]

theres also search and rescue

[pastel isle]

From my understanding in HND, he and Aaron were friends before act 1.

[limber ridge]

They were

But again

[limber ridge]

The way this is worded to me it implies with HN1 specifically

So that's what i'm trying to talk about

[paper atlas]

we where talking in genrel

i said i am 100 percent sure that the time line has been pushed to the 80s and they sdaid they dont belive aron ever met nikcy

[limber ridge]

Well honestly i doubt the Gaap timeline was pushed back to the 80s

Idk how much it would affect

[paper atlas]

one sec

[paper atlas]

@limber ridge

[limber ridge]

But with the current explanation for canon and all that it would feel pretty unecesary

[pastel isle]

If you are trying to go off just the lore of HN1, then yes it's difficult to presume that Nicky and Aaron knew each other. But since other releases it is confirmed they knew each other. Also keep in mind, why would Nicky himself take upon himself to break and enter into the Neighbor's house. If it was a random kid he would call the police. It's likely he went in because he knew Aaron personally.

[paper atlas]

so dose pushing gaap to 84

[limber ridge]

I mean.
Fair

[limber ridge]

That's... A good point there(speaking of him breaking in)

But other media doesn't necesarily dictate what is up with HN1

[pastel isle]

Does it not?

[limber ridge]

No when HN3 also has been implied to follow it and it has a contradiction with those other media

[paper atlas]

so let me explain so its improtant to the lore that aaron was at gaap when it opened so either he nbever met nicky or he wasnt heir and in nickys diares and the books enzo had a fancy new consel and form the cratriges and the consle in the back in hn3 shop its likely the nes witch woudl be old in the 90s but new in the 80s and it dosnt reraly affect anything

[pastel isle]

HN3 is far into the future after the events of HN1 and HN2, Nicky and Aaron are probably adults then.

[limber ridge]

If we're talking about specifically HN1 with the context of say, HN2 or SaR or HND Nicky yeah did meet Aaron

But with just its own context it's hard to tell

[paper atlas]

aaron might even be forest dweller

[paper atlas]

so is anythinh in hn1

[limber ridge]

Is it important for HN3 lore

[pastel isle]

That's a whole other can of worms lol.

[paper atlas]

ye but it would line up with the 80s thing since he seems older than 40 witch is what he would be if it was still 90s

[limber ridge]

Because like HN3 contradicting that wouldn't really retcon it happening in say, the books

[paper atlas]

but remeber its how nicky remeberes it so he might of forgot the year lol

[pastel isle]

I mean like the guest is certainly somebody, back in the alpha days of HN2 a lot of people thought it was Aaron, perhaps we are circling back to that with HN3.

[limber ridge]

I mean.
Fair

[paper atlas]

ye especialy when we cxan be almost sure theres more than 1 guest now

[pastel isle]

There is? Or are you talking about the cultists?

[paper atlas]

nope give me one second to find it

[limber ridge]

He means that Nikita doesn't know the identity of HN2 Guest

Personally i think that HN3 does have just the forest dweller(And the "God" Guest)

No other previous Guests

[pastel isle]

That doesn't nessasarily mean that there is more than one guest. If he needed to know the lore of HN2 guest for the current rendition he could ask the HN2 devs or something?

[paper atlas]

theres more than one guets on here

[pastel isle]

Lemme see.

[limber ridge]

Ohh

[paper atlas]

and age he was likely 40 in hn2

[pastel isle]

Where?

[limber ridge]

So i was talking about a different thing

[paper atlas]

top left

[pastel isle]

"Guest" "Guest?"

That is interesting.

[paper atlas]

also would explain the design change

[limber ridge]

Probably none of them is the HN2 Guest

[paper atlas]

very possible

that ur right

[limber ridge]

Since how can Nikita use that one when he doesn't even know, say, when he started appearing

[paper atlas]

?

[pastel isle]

I mean like, one of them could be the guest we saw in HN2. This is interesting though, in HN3 we only see one Guest.

Does that mean in later alpha's we will see two?

[paper atlas]

maybe

could even be talking about the cult

[pastel isle]

Yeah, the cult def hasn't been removed from the lore.

It's difficult because the cultists do resemble the guest.

[paper atlas]

its just by hn3 its likely desolvbed

[pastel isle]

I mean like that brings up the next question, will we see the characters from hn2 in hn3 at some point?

[limber ridge]

I mean how can he use HN2 Guest when he doesn't even know that kind of info

[pastel isle]

They should be alive, they were all relatively young.

[paper atlas]

he might know now

[limber ridge]

Very heavy doubt

[paper atlas]

they woudlnt since wheteher hn2 takes place in 90s or 80s hn3 is 2028

add 40 years to their age

[limber ridge]

If he had a prepared lore and he wasn't told/didn't ask the identity before i doubt he would care enough to be told

[paper atlas]

true

[limber ridge]

The whole Guest and "Guest" thing existed even before he said he doesn't know too

[paper atlas]

true

[limber ridge]

Actually, let me check

[paper atlas]

still the notes could just be saying that their are two not who it tho

[paper atlas]

no you are right

[pastel isle]

Baker looks quite young back in HN2, Nielson looks middle-aged and the Taxidermist is the only older looking one. Considering our friend the Neighbor is alive, it isn't to far fetched.

[limber ridge]

Okay he talked about that just 1 day after confirming he doesn't know the identity

[paper atlas]

baker prob 30 so 70 imn hn3

[limber ridge]

And he also said we didn't even see the Guest when he was literally on the HN3 page

[paper atlas]

true

[limber ridge]

Which was way before he said that he doesn't know the HN2 identity

[pastel isle]

Also I will add, there is a signifcant height difference between the guest in HN3 and HN2, either the Guest evolved, or as you guys say, it's a different guest.

[paper atlas]

same with mr peterson tho its just the art style

[limber ridge]

👆

[pastel isle]

I mean "Guest" and "Guest?" could be referring to the same guest but it's just a seperate entry for lore reasons..

[paper atlas]

could be the deity or the cult or just locals talking about the guest or almas thougfht on the guest or more

[pastel isle]

I mean the locals seem to worship this guy, I mean. Throughout HN3 we see guest drawings, statues. Like HG, which had the massive Guest statue. Like so many Guests LOL.

[paper atlas]

more the actaul guest not the guy in a costume

[pastel isle]

Which is which though LOL.

[paper atlas]

lol ones gaap like the signs and one is the murderer

[pastel isle]

I mean like we know the guest in HN3 is not friendly.

[paper atlas]

basicly its someone pretending to be the guest (raven broosk god) and the faker we call the forest dweller and in the other games the guest is one with purple sweater

[pastel isle]

The issue I have with that theory is that the guest we see in HN3 is fast, even on all fours. How can a human be that fast?

[paper atlas]

hello neighbor logic since nikita said the guest isnt supernatruel

[pastel isle]

Yeah..

It's werid though because he is so fast....

[paper atlas]

so is everone else tho tbf

and alma can to by eating food

[pastel isle]

Ehh true.

[limber ridge]

Probably a metaphorical thing

[pastel isle]

In what way though?

[limber ridge]

Maybe it's supposed to show him as kind of animalistic to represent his humanity sort of twisting.
This is just a quick idea, not very sure about it for now.

[paper atlas]

couldnt agree more

[dreamy sluice]

cardio

[paper atlas]

and to make the player feer him more than like jandelz

[pastel isle]

But like if we are going off just realism. He shouldn't be able to do what he can.

He also (somehow) grabs us and runs whilst on all fours.

(This could be a placeholder anim though).

[paper atlas]

placeholder

[paper atlas]

same with everyone lse they can hold stuff while tyaking us

[dreamy sluice]

he also shouldn't be able to see and is staring at the floor while he runs like that

[pastel isle]

Yeah, must be a placeholder then.

[pastel isle]

👆

[paper atlas]

might be cutouts in neck

[dreamy sluice]

signed also wouldn't be able to see forward and is also staring right at the floor

and we know there ain't no eyeholes in that hoodie

[pastel isle]

Yeah, it's hard to determine how this works.

[paper atlas]

ye i know

[limber ridge]

It probably doesn't work

[dreamy sluice]

they have xray vision, obviously.... duhh...

[paper atlas]

obvs

[limber ridge]

That whole thing i see more as an artstyle thing

Kind of like the skin tones

[dreamy sluice]

like smh everyone knows the evil 2026 golden apple sewage dump incident gave everyone superpowers

like how historian can throw you to death

[limber ridge]

Everyone has super speed in Raven Brooks...

It's all adding up

[dreamy sluice]

'why does neighbor jump so high in hn1'

[paper atlas]

thats why they abonded the town and whent bankrupt

[pastel isle]

To be fair, HN2's guest can't see either so how does this work LOL.

[dreamy sluice]

at least the guest's actually facing forward in hn2

[paper atlas]

one year i did i briliant cosplay realy the best and it was through the beak

[pastel isle]

Nice!

[dreamy sluice]

neck probably hurts a ton for hn3 fella, that guy's beak is made of metal

at least it's removable

[paper atlas]

i thought it was wood

still bad tho

[pastel isle]

I mean I always assumed it was some sort of material.

[dreamy sluice]

if you look at the texture up close it appears to be painted metal. chipped around the edges and banded together with what i think are tension cables
hn2 one's is uh not though i don't really know what it is

[limber ridge]

HN2 looks like metal sometimes and sometimes like wood to me

[paper atlas]

tbh the design is not finished yet tho

[limber ridge]

Mostly wood

[limber ridge]

No i think it is

[dreamy sluice]

yeah it is

at least 90% finished

[limber ridge]

Just small changes may be made

[paper atlas]

oh let me check

[dreamy sluice]

and at this point why would they change the material of the beak

[pastel isle]

I will say though that the Guest we see in HN3 has a watch, if it was a creature, why would it need a watch LOL.

[dreamy sluice]

everyone has a watch in hn

they're vital

if you don't have a watch you won't know what time it is

and will fall into a spiral

[paper atlas]

hang on isnt it the watch that aron wheres in vr? let me check

[pastel isle]

Also if the Guest is Aaron, why would he kidnap people.

[paper atlas]

the deal he made with the guest

[paper atlas]

oh thanks

[pastel isle]

The urban legend Guest?

[dreamy sluice]

literally no

[paper atlas]

hn2 guest in search and rescue

[dreamy sluice]

you don't even have to check to know that's not true

[pastel isle]

I see.

[paper atlas]

my bad i checked

[dreamy sluice]

no i didn't

guy is wearing a smartwatch

[paper atlas]

i ment i did

[dreamy sluice]

aaron is a kid in the 90's in hnvr

those weren't common yet

[paper atlas]

i think there was some one tho

ima go check

[pastel isle]

The significance of the watch probably means the Guest is sentient.

[dreamy sluice]

there's nobody

[paper atlas]

mandella effect

[dreamy sluice]

the only characters with true free will are nicky, otto, quentin, and peterson...

[dreamy sluice]

90% of the series is in the 90's

[pastel isle]

Unless this is a joke lol, what do you mean?

[paper atlas]

we earlier we where saying that it migfht of been changed to be 80s

[dreamy sluice]

that makes it worse

[paper atlas]

there is reason

[limber ridge]

No She means like

[dreamy sluice]

quentin's watch uh looks like this but i wouldn't say that it's the same watch that our dear guest is wearing

[paper atlas]

give me a minut to wright it out

[dreamy sluice]

yeah yeah yeah i know about the gaap

[paper atlas]

no theres more

[dreamy sluice]

i mean it makes the watch thing worse

[limber ridge]

She means that's even further than when smart watches were a thing

[dreamy sluice]

yeah exactly

[paper atlas]

no i know what ur saying

[limber ridge]

Well this kind of felt like you were defending the idea of stuff being set back to the 80s

[paper atlas]

so we know enzo had a fancy new game consel and every time we are shown it it shows nes cartriges witch where new in 80-s but old in 90s then if aron is the forest dweller then it would line up more in the 80s than 90s since aron would have had to of been born in the 70s witch would make him around 50 in hn3 and the forrest dweller moves alot more like a 50 year old rather than 40 and with the whole gaap retcon thing a key part of the story/ character develepment is that aron was there when lucy died and he couldnt both be old eneugh in 84 and be the correct age in 95 and we also know that theres been

times where tech has been retconed like in welcome to raven brooks trinity has a phone dispite being in the 90s and quintons wach is stilll mega high tech for 90s even for to day thats still slightly higher end and the books (i knwo the legicity of them is in the air but the theory stands without it so its fine) but in the books theos parents worked at the mayak in the 60s witch would line up with theo knowing where it is and knowing he could live their and also the whole ga timeline so if ga made golden apples in 60s 20 years would be a good time to build a theme park and grow multiple devesions and then let petersons move in in early 70s the and diane get married have aron and mya then gaap gets built and then nicky moves in and not to mention the fact that esentialy nothing gtes messed up in the timeline the books is nickys recolection of what happened so it could eb him misremembering plus its never stated when in nickys diares when it happens only thing that would b e retconed is the milk but in the grand scheme of things thats nothing also i dought theo would whant kisdsa while the entire town hates the family if they where born after 84

sry for gramer trying to type fast

@dreamy sluice

theres more aswell any quistons pls ask

[worthy topaz]

Can you explain the entire hello neighbor story (hello neighbor hide and seek ,HN1(all acts),HN2,HN3

[paper atlas]

lol im working on that (im aware im abit of a yapper)

I’m not joking tho

[paper atlas]

Just checked Delroy has one! Tho is only black and white

Nothing fancy

[dreamy sluice]

brahhh who is delroy 💔

[limber ridge]

Bagger from secret neighbor

[sturdy totem]

His glorious rollie

[paper atlas]

or in other words the person u play as in the tutorial of search and rescue and what frigid said and i just looked it up acording to googleThe first commercial electronic digital watch was the Hamilton Pulsar, which debuted in 1972. It featured an LED screen and was famously expensive—retailing for ($2,100).Early digital watches evolved through a few key milestones:1970: The Pulsar prototype was unveiled on The Tonight Show by Johnny Carson.1972: The Hamilton Pulsar P1 launched, requiring users to press a button to light up red LED numbers because it used so much battery power.1973: Seiko introduced the first watch with a Liquid Crystal Display (LCD). LCDs allowed the time to stay on constantly without draining the battery.1980s: Brands like Casio and Timex mass-produced plastic digital watches, quickly dropping the price to under ($10) while adding features like stopwatches, calculators, and alarms.

[paper atlas]

not the biggest theory but i dont think hn3 raven brooks is all that diffrent to hn2 raven brooks when you break it down to its basics 1 museam on a hill surounded by forest that leads to a bakery on a pich fork in the road one way lead you to 101 friendly coart both have a bucnh of houses on the other side

[tiny verge]

their layout generally doesn't really have alot of lore importance

it changes in every incarnation because every incarnation needs something specific with it's scenery

[lucid pumice]

Yeah it's a mix of art direction changing and the gameplay's needs, the town is far larger than it's ever presented in-game and only looks a certain way for the given situation.

[tiny verge]

they're all pretty much the same in terms of continuity, but they will always change things around or sometimes entirely to fit what that incarnation needs

[lucid pumice]

Like even in 3 I doubt there's only six people living in the town, there's probably still a couple hundred out there we just won't see.

[limber ridge]

Well Nikita did say that HN2 map didn't inspire HN3 map.

[lucid pumice]

Yeah the bakery and museums are probably just different ones in different parts of town.

[limber ridge]

About 10 actually with what we know so far

But yeah still

[paper atlas]

oops

[tiny verge]

I doubt there is too but also at the same time I kinda doubt that it's THAT high

[limber ridge]

Funny how the map inconsistency doesn't need to be explained really but it can with the current explanation

[paper atlas]

just to clarify i do understand i was just saying

[tiny verge]

since at this point of the timeline Raven Brooks seems to be dying and I think Golden Apple is even trying to force people out by shutting down their only sources of food, water, n' necessities

[lucid pumice]

The average town is I think around a thousand people, so a disgraced one like Raven Brooks has become would still have hundreds.

[tiny verge]

atleast that's the vibe I'm getting

[paper atlas]

there would be no need for report 13 tho

[eager island]

raven brooks is half-abandoned though

[tiny verge]

it would not

it wouldn't be 6

but it wouldn't be in the hundreds either

[limber ridge]

I think it would be like a few tens at most

[tiny verge]

it's somewhere in the tens I'd say

yeah

I don't see 50 being possible so it's most likely 10-40

[limber ridge]

I'd imagine about 20 people maybe

[lucid pumice]

Depending on how big the town was in its prime I'd say around 95-120 at the minimum.

[tiny verge]

the town being big doesn't change anything

alot of the town is empty

abandoned

[lucid pumice]

I'm excited to see how much worse it gets when all the buildings are filled in.

[eager island]

i just noticed theres a sawmill in the game

close to entrance of the town

wait its lore discussion

[paper atlas]

it is sort of lore tho

[lucid pumice]

Who do we think could still be in the town?

[eager island]

i would say its all new faces

[lucid pumice]

Lore wise, I'm not expecting any existing characters to show up unless they're a spoiler.

[paper atlas]

i bet 1 or 2 old faces

[eager island]

who

[paper atlas]

idk just have feeling lol

[lucid pumice]

Haven't read it yet but I know there's already a book set in a modern Raven Brooks, I'd assume someone from there would still be around?

[paper atlas]

ye there is but its still behind hn3 thio

[limber ridge]

Maritza was in there

[paper atlas]

reset day

[lucid pumice]

Yeah that.

[limber ridge]

Enzo and Trinity both got implied to have died

[eager island]

kinda off topic but jacob might have know about the forest kidnappings

the lawnmowers are programmed to leave you in the forest

[paper atlas]

i think they all do to an extent

[eager island]

i mean probably they know there is something wrong with the forest but not like some weirdo in forest killing people

[paper atlas]

i think they do just not that its the guest

[limber ridge]

Jacob is hiding a secret...

Because he did know where Mayak is

[eager island]

yeah

[limber ridge]

Since it's where Teddy hid you'd think it's pretty secretive

[eager island]

do you think the neighbor and him encountered?

[paper atlas]

probably

[eager island]

i mean wouldnt he be attacked by the neighbor

[paper atlas]

survived

[paper atlas]

alma did so why nbot jacob

[eager island]

alma is brave jacob isnt

[limber ridge]

More Jacob Diss we love to see it

[paper atlas]

true he might of seen it but not explore

[tiny verge]

Jacob fixes the lights to the museum so uh I cannot diss him

honestly the museum makes me the most mad out of anything else in the pre-alpha

[limber ridge]

Bozo got stuck in a wall when i gave him the tape

Then i did it again and he did it right but still

[tiny verge]

they're all a little slow in this version

[hybrid cypress]

I do have quite a big question for the overall lore of Hello Neighbor, if in the present in HN1 Theodore’s house seemed to burn down, why do we see the house within Hello Neighbor 3 as if it only rotted and was never burnt to a crisp?

[wicked heath]

This is gonna be hard to hear:
||HN3 is a standalone story||

[eager island]

artistic choice

[sturdy totem]

Does HN3 take place after HN1 act 3? Or does it take place in the time Nicky was free like HN2?

Lovin the pfp btw

[eager island]

after act 3

to be specific, 11 years after

[sturdy totem]

I see

[tiny verge]

no

yeah it's far into the future but like it is clear the writers still want us to take it into account

[tiny verge]

the answer is just simple, stylistic choice

sure in Hello Neighbor 1 we would know it's Peterson's house because the map for HN1 doesn't change drastically from act to act

but for HN3 if they had used that same design I recon alot of people would not even make this connection

even if it was the same exact model

[wary rapids]

where you could read this 🫪😵

[limber ridge]

Wtrb is not a seperate canon.
(At least not from what we know)
It is merely an urban legend of the events in Raven Brooks, which does have truth to it.

[limber ridge]

Also is Nicky's diaries even any different from book one to be considered more accurate

[paper atlas]

?

[paper atlas]

Ye but with there being so. Much different it’s just easier to say (or in other words I didn’t think people would read it it’s just notes for me to see then I write a big note for others to see lol)

[paper atlas]

Well no but any thing that wasn’t included could be sign of being made redundant

And what I said above 👆;)

[limber ridge]

Oh i see

[limber ridge]

Franklin actually didn't start the cult btw
At least i think it he didn't.
Because in wtrb in the S2 flashback we can see somewhere on the Inventor's club chalkboard bringing up huge bird or whatever it was.
And anyway his backstory as the Guest starts after the cult's a thing.

[eager island]

wait this actually supports the theory that the cult is worshipping to urban legend guest rather than the one we see

[limber ridge]

Ooh

I was thinking the huge bird sighting meant cultists they saw

It's actually a newspaper with a crow that said "giants"

So like multiple

[buoyant orbit]

The guest's identity is still unknown
But somehow the appearance is similar to Nicky Roth, I don't know if it's just a feeling or not, the important thing is that this theory is still an opinion

[buoyant orbit]

I know who you're teasing But I don't have any proof

[vapid thistle]

i think diaries is supposed to be like,,, a recap of book one for ppl who are broke and can't get the books,,, iirc the devs wanted to expand diaries to recap the whole nicky trilogy so that just reinforces the idea that diaries is supposed to be the nicky trilogy in game form (for accessibility or other purposes, i don't know exactly)

but book 1 gives slightly more context to their actions

[eager island]

he does not

[paper atlas]

tbh its to hard to tell since how far feched the whole tv sreies is anyway

[solar vale]

?

Im just telling facts

[silver vine]

dude.... diaries game itself is as much or dare I say, more expensive than the first book

it was NOT made for broke ppl

[paper atlas]

thats what i thought lol

[eager island]

we now have a possible date for when that storm hits in

the festival happens in the specific day 29th february, thats a leap day

the statue's parts had been separated for four years then are being reassembled on every february 29th

explaining why storm does not hit when statue was not present until the festival day

so every storm happened in 29th feb, and then festivals are started in same day to prevent storm

2024 is probably when the storm that made town half abandoned hit

this also explains why there was not a festival in 81,82,83

the festival cancelled in 1980 for whatever the reason is

but the figure was not abandoned

since GA used that figure as their mascot

but the accident in roller coaster named Guest Roller Coaster happened in 1984 which led people to abandon the guest

[vapid thistle]

ok maybe not for broke ppl but it's the same amount of money for roughly the same content so i guess... if that's the case though i feel Really bad for ppl who couldn't afford either and/or can't easily get either

[wicked heath]

Wait i thought it was free…

[silver vine]

diaries is actually much more expensive than missing pieces

[wary rapids]

Look what I found today at a super low price, what a cool book!

[wicked heath]

Where the hell

[solar vale]

Huh? Whats that book i saw it first time

[wary rapids]

It's like a guide to the first game and Hide and Seek, plus it adds lore elements from the first three books. All of this includes official and concept art.

[solar vale]

Wow

[unkempt sleet]

the guidebook is nice to have, but it has like tons of innaccurate information

lore wise, gameplay wise

[wicked heath]

Where did you get your hands on that

Literally every book I own (including the guidebook) were bought off online

[wary rapids]

I found it at a local store, thrift $3

[wicked heath]

Goddayum!

[ripe berry]

that makes sense
still didn't need to have the GAAP Incident moved from 1992 to 1984 to work though

[unkempt sleet]

I geniunely hope they change that in future builds

[silver vine]

they wont

[ripe berry]

unless there's meant to be some significance to the amount of leap years that'd pass
(let's see... counting 1980 and 2028 there are 13 leap years... of course it's 13... OF COURS-)

[silver vine]

can you explain how it makes sense

[ripe berry]

it explains why the GAAP opening would be specifically 4 years after the festival doesn't happen for the first time

[ripe berry]

plus of course it puts specifically 13 leap years by the time of HN3 since the festival was last celebrated

(y'know, the unlucky number)

[silver vine]

I still dont understand

[silver vine]

this part esp

[eager island]

so would you say gaap opening was actually part of festival

[limber ridge]

Lowkey why did Alex describe it this way

[ripe berry]

it's probably like- a replacement for the Festival that year

[ripe berry]

Golden Apple Corp using the GAAP as a replacement for the Festival

[ripe berry]

and the Cinema show might've been the replacement for 1980

[eager island]

maybe not as replacement

[silver vine]

from where do we get the idea that the festival takes place only in leap years?

[ripe berry]

the Festival is set up in HN3 Pre-Alpha already
and the pre-Alpha occurs right on the leap day of Feb 29th

[eager island]

its a theory i made due to game being taking place specifically in a leap day

[eager island]

and if you think deeper it actually makes sense

[eager island]

its not setted up

[paper atlas]

makes sence tbf

[ripe berry]

the statue is iirc

[eager island]

the arm that goes to the eye and the can is missing

hence why some people theorized the neighbor stole the arm

[paper atlas]

liekly an alternete ending in full reelease

[ripe berry]

still, getting set up for the event

[eager island]

yeah

[ripe berry]

hints from Prototype 3 and the like imply the most recent storm happened within the last couple of years
which could be 2024
PLUS the only other known festival dates fall on Leap Years

[eager island]

i mean it also fits with the storm arriving,

considering the statue is made in a specific day and then the pieces falls apart

the storm would arrive since the statue isnt done

[paper atlas]

true

[eager island]

idk is that a coincidence but 2008, the year forest dweller appeared also has a leap day

[paper atlas]

i bet thats intentinal

[ripe berry]

probably not

think about it

if you're pretending to be a figure from folklore

and said figure's meant to "protect the town" every four years

you'd want to show up every four years at the same time it would

[limber ridge]

Wait so HaS happened in like 1996?

Or was it closer to HN1?

[ripe berry]

using original dates yes

HN1 in original dates was March 1997

HNHS was March-May and before HN1

so that puts it under the original dates in 1996

[limber ridge]

So that's a leap year again

[ripe berry]

the books and everything after other then HN3 pushed it back a year though to 1995

[limber ridge]

I think

[paper atlas]

hide and seek would of been augost

[ripe berry]

yeah

you right

[eager island]

so we also thinking forest dweller only appears in leap days

though didnt vandals see him

[ripe berry]

maybe they saw him back in 2024?

[paper atlas]

might of just heard all we know is they suspect itr exists

[ripe berry]

and they're only focused on trying to catch it now since this is when he'll "return"

[ripe berry]

AND happens to be the year tragedy befalls the Peterson family... a mere month after the leap year...

[paper atlas]

but presembly the forest dweller toke omelia and due to the way jandelz is its likelyresent

[eager island]

i doubt he took omelia

since theres her grave

[ripe berry]

#hn3-discussion message

"...that stuck in the post office for many years."

aka no

[paper atlas]

true about the gravbe but hgese grieving over a poster saying whent to the forest never returned it could be a memorila

[ripe berry]

it's not recent

[paper atlas]

no it meens the book not the death

[ripe berry]

and why didn't Omelia give Janusz the book?

because she died before it could be delivered

[paper atlas]

well it was in the post office so maybe it just got bakc form the publishers/manifacturers

[ripe berry]

No Janusz (and therefoe Omelia) have a ticket saying where the book's at iirc

and if it's been in the post-office for many years

you'd think it'd have been grabbed unless Omelia's been dead and Janusz has been too caught up in grief o grab it he whole time

[paper atlas]

though about that after i wrote that message

[eager island]

those are also fitting with the idea of 2024 storm

[ripe berry]

these are some of the hints in question lol

[eager island]

considering iris is in basketball team

[ripe berry]

pre-storm photos with kid Isaac

[eager island]

still thinking about what could be the reason of cancelling the festival

[ripe berry]

whatt else might've been happening around the same time?

[eager island]

what you said about cinema might make sense but cinematograph name is not usual usage in that year

and i also thought Cinematograph as GA's first building after mayak got closed

[ripe berry]

My thought was Golden Apple is still using the Cinema they built in the 1900s

how is a company going to get the funds to build a whole theme park if they've been doing literally nothing since 1912 or so

[eager island]

i mean if its like a replacement they wouldnt call that as a cancelling i think