lore-discussion

[dry pumice]

Yes

[ripe berry]

If it's ok, I would request that no one pings me for any Hello Neighbor 3 Spoilers until me and a few friends have gotten the chance to experience the Pre-Alpha blind

[dense raven]

protect ||bob|| at all costs

[hard vector]

Guys I think I have a theory: every cult member will die in season 3 only for the guest to show up in the end of the season:

The last part could be wrong but I do think every cult member will be gone

[limber ridge]

Not Alex exagerating the violence in wtrb again

[hard vector]

Also idk if you noticed but that’s peterson killing a cult member

[limber ridge]

Yeah i noticed

In the banner too

[silver vine]

damn, so much lore dropped and this chat is silent

[limber ridge]

Okay okay Lore:
||Mayak is the first Golden Apple building.
Golden apple originated in Raven Brooks due to that.
Alma might not have that good of a relationship with her father, president of Golden apple
There's someone named Bob Novak that shuts down bussinesses due to them violating health terms.
Neighbor lives in mayak.||
Anything i missed?

[silver vine]

golden apple has always originated in Raven Brooks

thats not new

[limber ridge]

It is new info for HN3 though

[silver vine]

right

you couldve worded it better tho

[limber ridge]

Okay thanks to Kryptqn Veronie:
||Janusz has a wife named Omelia||

[full fractal]

Is the show cannon

😭

[marsh idol]

yea they all dying by theo and guesty

[limber ridge]

Canon but not in a way you think.
(Also unrelated to the message you replied to)

[hard vector]

same peterson shoe

[marsh idol]

ones a bit sharper but ig inconsistency

or angle

[hard vector]

yeah but that's just continuity error is still the same proporsion and color

[inland folio]

is it just me or like

the second image

the guy in the big ol cult thing over him is like saying come on hit me little bro

i am tough im durable made of titanium

[marsh idol]

ye basically

[eager island]

||people started to go missing in past 20 years (2008-2028) according to devlog||

[silver vine]

whats the guest's connection to ppl going missing

why is he so aggressive

[ripe berry]

alright
I've seen everything from HN3 Pre-Alpha

[ripe berry]

||Don't forget that Janusz has a dead wife named Omelia.||

||Also the Rotten Core Rollercoaster is called the Guest Roller Coaster in this build||

[silver vine]

Neighbor lives at mayak now

do you think his old rotting house would serve a purpose, or only there for decoration/easter egg

[wanton roost]

Maybe basement will

[eager island]

then it makes sense why vandals are sacrifacing isaac on that roller coaster...

[limber ridge]

Around when was this stated?

[eager island]

its the devlog

people keep disappearing in surrounding areas of Raven brooks for past 20 years, authorities refuse to comment

[limber ridge]

Did Nikita say this or was it written somewhere?

[eager island]

its in news sequence

[limber ridge]

Thx

[eager island]

flash of new Instaflash camera, causing eye irritation and temporary blindness, thousands of camera called back from the stores.

people keep disappearing in surrounding areas of Raven brooks for past 20 years, authorities refuse to comment

Citizens of raven brooks cant decide if automatic lawnmowers with attached bear traps protecting or terrorizing the town

Quantim Rider TV show is going to have a remake, fan furious and open petition to cancel

its the only lore-related ones

[limber ridge]

Ahh i saw it

[stuck jetty]

https://klipy.com/gifs/blue-bob-blue-blob

I just got here

and the lore is..

I should know better I have been playing since like alpha 3 (og game) I think

Wait is there a lore explanation on how the environment changes every game?

or is it just the mayak house screwing with the residents

possibly the bad luck on the town?

[limber ridge]

I don't think so.
Map is just a gameplay thing usually, except for how in HN3 it's all ruined, for example.

[stuck jetty]

ahh

yeah

wish I could play hn3

but my computer is too ahh for it

I tried booting it up but it becomes a slideshow

I would only look for the guest and the neighbours house anyway

specifically the one from hn

[stuck jetty]

I would like that in the next build there would be a rotten golden apple or something under the house accsessed via crawlspace from outside

it would be useless but in completed game you get an achievement

like "Forgotten memories" or something

[proven shard]

again hn3 is a another canon so the layout could be on purpose

[silver vine]

what the hell

[proven shard]

you dont know hello neighbor has 4 timelines (from i know of)

all of them are canon in their ways but yea they are their own canons

[ripe berry]

na, I only really think of it as three

Games
Books
and WtRB

[cinder verge]

someone help me
wheres the radar sphere?
plz
Ive been lost for like 30 minutes

[ripe berry]

#hn3-pre-alpha-chat

[ripe berry]

and details from one can fill the blanks of the others (Priority: Games, Books, WtRB)

[ripe berry]

there's only really one contradiction HN3 has with past games and it's on a map that you could argue has other reasons for it being there

but thus far nothing from HN3's Lore contradicts anything from the previous games outside of that

well
except for one thing that Reset Day already made the case (Ted's House being rebuilt after 2015)

[limber ridge]

Would you count HND as part of the Games or book lore?

[ripe berry]

it's a game, so games lore

[wanton roost]

both

[ripe berry]

if you're about to bring up ||the Rotten Core being renamed to the Guest Roller Coaster, this from the RBBArchives and WtRB show a GAAP Reopening so the renaming could happen then||

[limber ridge]

Is earthpro ever brought up in HND actually?

[ripe berry]

no

they aren't a part of Missing Pieces

[limber ridge]

Oh alright

[ripe berry]

and HND never got to Waking Nightmare where they debut

[limber ridge]

||Well interesting how the Guest existed in like 1996 or prior when currently in HN3 the dissapearances started(or spiked up i guess) in about 2008 due to devlog 4.||

Afk

[ripe berry]

(I don't even remember if HND brings up the attraction by name I'm just saying this pre-emptively)

[ripe berry]

||...prehaps when Forest Dweller becomes the Guest? (I know this tosses Ted being the Reset Day Guest out the window but technically it's not confirmed plus the book has a scene specifically having a character treat them as two distinct entities so it's possible?)||

||plus a spike of disappearances starting in 2008 that the authorities don't respond to would explain why the town eventually snaps by Reset Day Times||

||WAIT, also explains why they had Lucy Yi on the "No More Missing, No More Lost" thing in RD! The town associates the missing and lost with the Guest starting WITH Lucy Yi's death caused in-part by the Golden Apple Corporation, then more and more people went missing until one day the residents had enough||

[limber ridge]

It doesn't really toss Theodore becoming the Guest because books are a secondary canon right?

[ripe berry]

||I mean, there's way more disappearances then we know about. Hello Engineer alone shows like 6 missing people we haven't heard of before or since||

[ripe berry]

I meant for the Games Timeline

(Since I still think some version of he books happens in the games)

plus, y'know
Games and Books are meant to align much closer then say Books and WtRB
So if possible I wanna make as much of the books as possible work with the games and as much of the games work with the books

[ripe berry]

so my thought is:
If possible, try to make those two mediums align (well outside of Hello Engineer and the GAAP being in HN3 since EarthPro destroys the GAAP in the Books, and EarthPro stuff in the Games)

[limber ridge]

I mean they are still seperate mediums after all

So them having differences like that does make sense. (About the earthpro thing, i mean)

[ripe berry]

yeah
Separate mediums, but still meant to link together

[limber ridge]

Right so judging by Historian's name she is possibly part of the town's founding family.

[ripe berry]

Gift of God and Son of the Divine Bear or whatever righ?

[limber ridge]

Yeah

[eager island]

Dorothea Asbjørnsen

[ripe berry]

makes sense that the one who in Prototype 3 kickstarts the return the festival is the one who's family likely helped found Raven Brooks

plus as we know with Nikita if something's in HN3 it's probably there for a reason
and the name thing hasn't failed us yet.

[eager island]

we also now moved to when vandals just realized forest dweller

like its before they got manipulated and they will sacriface isaac

[ripe berry]

since also Omelia(Janusz's dead wife)'s name means Pledge/Oath which is kinda what she represents to Janusz

[ripe berry]

(this only really works to make you friends with Signed btw, not Coned or Covered)

[eager island]

so signed was the one who wanted proof

i would say coned is the one who first saw the forest dweller

[ripe berry]

also makes sense since Signed is the one in the Cinema so he's the one who likely wrote that stuff

[eager island]

i mean i think "GUEST IS REAL" is writen by someone else while "WE NEED PROOF" is writen by signed

[ripe berry]

this also seems to be most likely to not be in the final game at all as it doesn't give any notes or the like when you do it

[eager island]

the best example is Almira, which means Noble, and you are daughter of president of GA

[ripe berry]

especially since her full name means Noble Person connected to a mansion/estate

which yeah...

she is...

said estate involving the entire GA Corporation

[eager island]

bob novak means newcomer with a bright fame

so we can assume the GA was founded in RB but now they are not in RB

their places is on there and managed by people who does not love GA

and they are not a GA employee according to nikita

[ripe berry]

yeah
that bit was weird but also makes sense

Janusz runs the Supermarket and Jacob runs the Gas Station
BUT they are not actually employed there so they're told to leave the premise anyways

[eager island]

the lawnmowers is owned by GA or something

the citizens doesnt like them

i.e Citizens of raven brooks cant decide if automatic lawnmowers with attached bear traps protecting or terrorizing the town

actually

GA probably designed these lawnmowers as a kind of protection measure after the missing persons cases in the town

[ripe berry]

I mean tell me why else would you shut down a building rated at A?

[eager island]

so its like

GA had to leave town

[ripe berry]

A should be the best score should it not?

[eager island]

and RB citizens seized properties

[eager island]

yeah

[eager island]

in these past 5 years or something

[ripe berry]

and now Bob Novak is seizing them back
which is probably what fully drives Janusz to the point of... y'know...

[eager island]

and janusz recently lost his wife too

i would say its recently because she placed an order

but she didn't live to see the order arrive

[ripe berry]

until/unless we give him the Cookbook and make him remember the pledge/oath

[ripe berry]

damn...
so her death/disappearance is like RECENT recent

[eager island]

yeah hence why janusz is always crying

[eager island]

would you say its because FD or whole other reason

[ripe berry]

he's just lost everything
His wife is dead
The Supermarket is gone
All he has left is the Tasty Bakery but even then he probably can't keep that running for much longer either

[eager island]

well after all

Red Company was not true...

[ripe berry]

seems like it was just a misinterpretation

although it does still raise the interesting point of why the Cinema poster is so different from normal G.A. Posters

||might I suggest it being one of their other og buildings alongside the Weather Station?||

[eager island]

could be

so is Dorothea a GA employee now

or just someone who has contact with GA

[ripe berry]

probably similar to Janusz if I had to guess

[limber ridge]

Any ideas what this place of reflection stuff means? For reference ||In pre alpha there's some wooden cube kinda things named place of reflection and sometimes the Guest does the place of reflection animation to it||

[unkempt sleet]

i mean i used to have a theory but it falls under the supernatural guest, so it's probably not true

[ripe berry]

it's in Prototype 3 aswell so you don't gotta spoiler it

[limber ridge]

Were the cubes in prototype 3?

[ripe berry]

Possibly Forest Dweller (Aaron most likely) reflecting on his past

[ripe berry]

yeah

[limber ridge]

Oh

[ripe berry]

Reminding himself on why he does all of this

[unkempt sleet]

they were in prototype 3, but i dont remember if Guest did interact with it, so thats why i made the post about pre-alpha

[limber ridge]

Yeah that's what i meant.
I don't remember him interacting with them.

[eager island]

can you tell?

[unkempt sleet]

I mean it kinda looks like Guest is taunting himself, which could possibly be like if Guest is possesing Aaron

he's like taunting with the finger, and then he starts crying

Guest is taunting and Aaron is crying

but like i said, supernatural Guest

[limber ridge]

I wonder why it's the cubes specifically he does it to

[unkempt sleet]

i think the cubes are like a placeholder

[limber ridge]

Makes sense

[hard vector]

so is Aaron doing this on guest?

[glacial whale]

Is pre alpha lore figured out?

[limber ridge]

Eh somewhat

[eager island]

depends on what you are asking

[ripe berry]

what do you mean by figured out in this case

[limber ridge]

Idk what you mean but we did get some Lore of it

I don't think there's that much to talk anyway.

[eager island]

yeah pre alpha tells a pretty clear story

[ripe berry]

and some parts we've been talking about since Prototype 3

[split oriole]

One of them seems to be Aaron, the others are probably those 3 kids that tinyb always loves to retcon.

[shell gull]

From what I’ve seen it’s trying to be more straightforward but nothing much.

[shell gull]

Any ideas why Ted would be at Mayak?

[west falcon]

hide out from police

or something

[glacial whale]

Just in general I guess like what the story of pre alpha is trying to tell and what would be important to the lore or is it just going to be its own thing and we shouldn’t look into pre alpha

[abstract jacinth]

Not much but there is some aspects

||Mr. Peterson is confirmed to be around, hiding in the mayak on a hill towering over RavenBrooks. It implies that Aaron is the Forest Dweller due to how the FD ai views Mr. Peterson as the only "threat/monster" to him, while Theodore views FD as "friend". Janusz recently lost his wife and the postal service failed to deliver a gift his wife left him, if you dont give him said gift he will eventually dies by bombing the bakery with himself in it. The golden apple corporation seems to be responsible for shutting down the supermarket and maybe a few other locations as well||

thats some tidbits i can recall but im sure theres more i forgot, and this is just stuff i noticed and felt are noteworthy

[wicked heath]

Its likely the same deal as Hello Guest and RavenBrooksDisaster. It’s a hideout.

(Since he does the exact same thing in HG)

Hiding from the town for decades after being caught during Nicky’s time in Raven Brooks (in the 90s iirc)

And preparing something BIG to take his revenge and destroy the town

[eager island]

a journey that begins with emotional confusion (reversed laguz), moves through relationships (gebo) and transformation (eihwaz), follows intuition (laguz), finds moments of connection (gebo) and harmony (wunjo), is protected (algiz), forms bonds again (gebo), but ultimately ends in disappointment or unhappiness (reversed wunjo)

@ripe berry i looked for the runes and it tells a pretty great story

[eager island]

this

the other arm seems like having just same runes

[eager island]

she did revived the festival but the statue got destroyed by the neighbor

thats probably why it ends with disappointment

[eager island]

wait that gebo seems reversed

which means

the breaking of the bond

[limber ridge]

Isn't gebo the x one

[eager island]

yes

oh well

that was because the shape of arm

[ripe berry]

neat!

[eager island]

also theres something i just saw in the game that historian has mascotguest cutout in her basement

the GA ones

[ripe berry]

also saw that Nikita corrected us on ||Janusz's Wife's death date. she's been dead for "many years" rather then something recent.||

#hn3-discussion message

[eager island]

no idea why janusz is just not taking the package

[ripe berry]

Maybe Janus doesn't know it's there.

his wife probably wanted it to be a surprise

[eager island]

i mean there is like a post office letter or something

[unkempt sleet]

probably doesnt know its from his wife

and thinks its not something worth enough to go to the post office

since he's depressed

[ripe berry]

weird.

[unreal flume]

Hello! Can someone explain to me the symbolism and guest story in Hello Neighbor 3?

The religious themes of the game...

[ripe berry]

Kryptqn can

also welcome to Hello Neighbor Games!

[eager island]

in a very very short form: the guest being some kind of god and the forest dweller being antichrist

[unreal flume]

Thank you!

[unreal flume]

In a more detailed way, if possible?

Sorry...

[unreal flume]

. In general, I mean

[eager island]

the town and the creature had some kind of pact during 1800s, and that pact lasted for years, the townspeople would worship it, and it would protect the town from storms and misfortune, meanwhile, Golden Apple company that were beginning to establish themselves in the town started using this god figure as their mascot, and gradually the figure became hollowed out, something happened in 1980 and the festivals got cancelled, since the festival statue is not done, storms started and misfortune struck, in 1984, Golden Apple Amusement Park opened, mainly using the Guest figure as main mascot, but in the opening day an accident happened in a roller coaster named Guest Roller Coaster, a little girl died while riding it, some people started to think The guest killed her and guest abandoned by townspeople

[ripe berry]

(note that the creature is not a real being but a part of the town's folklore, as Nikita prefers grounded storytelling)

[unreal flume]

Ok, thanks

[eager island]

aaaafter 24 years, in 2008, people started to go missing in surroundings of Raven Brooks, some people went to the forest and never returned, behind these kidnappings, there is someone who is acting like the Guest, acting like the God (i will call it Forest Dweller to avoid confusion)

[unreal flume]

Ok

[eager island]

thestorms intensified, and one storm in the 2020s left the entire town half-abandoned, and GA remnants had to leave the area for its own good,

in 2028, vandals discovered the Forest Dweller, and thought its the Guest, FD somehow manipulated them to do bad stuff, starting with sacrifacing isaac, vandals kidnapped isaac, and planning yo sacriface him to the forest dweller which they think the guest in guest roller coaster, in same way that lucy died

[unreal flume]

Are there other themes?

Like parallels, other symbolism....?

[eager island]

meanwhile, the citizens revived the original festival thanks to historian, even though it stopped the storm for a very short time, it ended up with disappointment because the neighbor (theorized to be the devil metaphor) broke the festival statue and killed all of the town, including himself

[eager island]

i just remembered that one teaser of p3 while writing all of this stuff, that the guest festival being in the amusement park

[ripe berry]

oh yeah there's also Theodore being a "devil" in Raven Brooks' Eyes
(||and since it's practically confirmed Forest Dweller is his son Aaron that means the "Anti-Christ" equivalent is the doing of the "Devil" equivalent||)

[eager island]

well might be an placeholder for vandal statue to if we think about it

[eager island]

this i mean

[unreal flume]

So Theodore = Devil
Forest Dweller = Aaron = Distorted God

[eager island]

antichrist/false idol yeah

[unreal flume]

How can Aaron be the Guest?

[limber ridge]

Forest dweller from HN3 is different from HN2 Guest

[unreal flume]

Really?

[ripe berry]

yes

[unreal flume]

Oh God, what a mess...

[ripe berry]

||and Hello Neighbor 3 Guest has to be someone Theodore would see as a friend||

[hard vector]

Is this like a 2 souls in a body situation?

[unreal flume]

How?

[limber ridge]

The files

[unreal flume]

What files?

[limber ridge]

Files of the game show that ||Theodore sees forest dweller as a friend||

[eager island]

by the way, somehow jacob knows the exact place of the mayak

[unreal flume]

Thanks

[ripe berry]

||In the files each character has a list of who they see as enemy and as friend. and Theodore has Forest Dweller as his only friend||

[unreal flume]

So HN2 Guest = Unknown
HN3 Guest = Aaron

[unreal flume]

Oh

[unreal flume]

Does someone have it?

[eager island]

i have, actually

give me a second

[unreal flume]

Thanks

Really

[worldly hollow]

I think Quentin could be The Guest. He could easily have hallucinated some events in HN2 and have a split personality. While trying to investigate and help, he could also be the villain.

[unreal flume]

Neighbor role in lore, instead?

[ripe berry]

yeah, somehow.

[hard vector]

Those are just game mechanics like ofc in game he wouldn’t attack peterson but the rest or else the final boss would be easy

[eager island]

petersons area is lit

[hard vector]

Still are just mechanics

[limber ridge]

Why wouldn't they make both of them monsters to each other?

[eager island]

what frigid said and vandals are also thinks they are friend with forest dweller and guess why

[dense raven]

you can quite literally see Guest and Quentin in the same room in HN2

[unreal flume]

?

[dense raven]

Quentin would be sacrificed in Layoutv2 if Guest didn't rescue him

Quentin wouldn't have crashed into the barn if Guest wasn't in the road

[unreal flume]

.

Oh, I want to ask a thing

[dense raven]

Quentin has only just arrived in town in HN2 while the Guest was doing things before

[limber ridge]

For HN3?

[unreal flume]

Yeah

[limber ridge]

He's theorised to be a metaphor for the the devil there

[unreal flume]

Oh, I want to ask something. A while back, I made a presentation with slides regarding the entire lore

But the story always changes

[eager island]

barely know about him instead of he is against the god guest, and destroyed his statue after festival revived

[unreal flume]

Would be better making slides only about the character or including every single detail about them?

[ripe berry]

...yeah, like right now even though there's not officially 3 (soon to be 4) different timelines, it is best to group the media up like such.
or 5 depending on how you treat HN3 relative to the other games

[unreal flume]

And is it ok to include some headcanons that could fit?

[limber ridge]

Personally i wouldn't say it changes, moreso just uses a different Lore for some installments

[eager island]

i dont really think you can explain the story in few slides

[unreal flume]

Yeah

[unreal flume]

Information only in character's slides

[unreal flume]

Like a summary

[eager island]

ohh

for hn3? or whole franchise

[unreal flume]

Games universe

[ripe berry]

everything is canon but not in a traditional sense
right now I just pull the FNaF Theorist's route and try to combine in lore from other entries when nothing in the games covers that
(proirity for things is: Games + Some Trailers + RBBArchives > Books > WtRB > Official Guidebook)

[unreal flume]

Ok

[ripe berry]

because books were made to tie into the games as close as possible
WtRB is a standalone thing loosely based off the games storyline
and the Official Guidebook is full of errors

[unreal flume]

So, games mixed with books

Ok

[unreal flume]

.

[unreal flume]

.

[eager island]

wtrb and hn2 was based off each other at some point

[ripe berry]

however the games and books still have major differences (EarthPro stuff from Nicky Trilogy never happens in the games)

[eager island]

like during production of S2/3

[limber ridge]

Then they gave up it seems

[unreal flume]

Games > books in my presentation

Regarding details, I mean

[ripe berry]

yeah
and WtRB can be used to fill in gaps (like what happens between Act 2 and HN2 is only seen in WtRB Season 2)

[unreal flume]

I think I'm only gonna make slides regarding characters

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ahd6wKrFdH6C4CZ6W3NqGe2FcSR2qgSpJ4rINz0WTC8/edit?usp=drivesdk

[ripe berry]

or HN2 Guest is probably be the same character as whoever it turns out to be in WtRB Season 3

[unreal flume]

My presentation

[hard vector]

I can’t open this

[unreal flume]

It's in Italian, my language

Oh, ok

[ripe berry]

you gotta set it to everyone can view

[limber ridge]

I asked for access by accident can you ignore that

[unreal flume]

Ok

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ahd6wKrFdH6C4CZ6W3NqGe2FcSR2qgSpJ4rINz0WTC8/edit?usp=drivesdk

Everyone can view

IT'S IN ITALIAN

[worldly hollow]

Which could be a hallucination. It isn’t impossible.

[ripe berry]

my old ahh fanon RB map that's inaccurate as heck
might I recommend swapping it out for one of the canon maps
either the HN3 one or the HN2 One

[worldly hollow]

A split personality would make it to where he wouldn’t remember doing those things. And who knows if he was in town before.

[dense raven]

Quentin is quite literally not in town when Guest is helping Aaron in the VR game

why are you advocating for the fight club plot twist so much

[unreal flume]

Thanks

[dense raven]

that's definitely not the intention there

[ripe berry]

wrong image

[limber ridge]

VR Guest is different from HN2 in any case tbf is he not

[dense raven]

...No?

[worldly hollow]

Why? Why do you care? 😂 it isn’t that serious. It’s a theory I enjoy, it isn’t harming anyone.

[dense raven]

Not really?

it's just wrong

[ripe berry]

HN2 Official Map

[dense raven]

I mean it's up to you but like

[unkempt sleet]

whats much different other than turning into crow which could be metaphorical

if you believe the Guest leading you theory in HN2, they both want Aaron aswell

[unreal flume]

"Hello Neighbor is like a huge metaphor that needs to be deciphered"

[worldly hollow]

I think it would be a shocking twist.

[eager island]

hn2 guest is based off to AS guest which was meant to connect directly to the games, and AS guests origin is in AS (which was after hnvr), so HN2/AS guest wouldnt be existing in the hnvr

[limber ridge]

Thank You

[hard vector]

do you think you can make an english version?

[ripe berry]

especially since I was just kinda throwing stuff at the wall with the old fanon map rather then it actually being built purely off of officially stated facts

[unreal flume]

Mhm

I don't know...

[unreal flume]

Maybe one day, maybe...

[unkempt sleet]

the problem with that is AS isn't meant to be 1 to 1 with HN2 either and hasnt been since Season 2

[ripe berry]

oh, also, might I recommend maybe adding a section on the Golden Apple Corporation since they're very important in Hello Neighbor 3's lore

[unreal flume]

Ok

Nikita, what was the original idea regarding the Neighbor not having a true name?

[ripe berry]

from what I can it's pretty good 👍

(then again I don't speak Italian so I'm basing it off what Google Translate tells me you wrote)

[shell gull]

Yeah I think that’s a good way to put it, he isn’t exactly welcome in the Town in any way.

[wicked heath]

Could we dm? I definitely need catching up since I’ve been off HNG for so long

[stuck jetty]

question.
how the heck does the forest dweller make all that racket
I am trying to give a guy a damn book at 3:00 am
and all I hear is a toddler not getting their mcdonalds on the way home
my lord

[hard vector]

I have a question, in the urban legend, was the guest good or bad?

[wicked heath]

If we’re talking about 1800s guest, than the guest was good

[hard vector]

but didn't reset day said otherwise?

[wicked heath]

Reset day didnt really explain the significance of the Guest

Graphics novel is another can of worms. The RavenMan was certainly bad there, but its a more recent legend

[hard vector]

what I am confused is that why The Guest was suddenly good back then but then changed his mind?

[wicked heath]

His image was, as krypt said “hollowed out”

[hard vector]

what does that mean?

also there was a guest cult since the start of the town

which makes it even weirder

[wicked heath]

This is a cult of murderers

[wicked heath]

It means the Guest was seen as a much darker character since stuff happened

[hard vector]

I know but didn't the cult did those things to get good luck and they got?

correct me if I am wrong

[wicked heath]

Its been a bit since ive been around HNG, so bear with me if i am also wrong

[wicked heath]

The whole cult luck thing is an abuse of a Balance

[hard vector]

yeah idk enough on HNG lore but doesn't that also means someone or something was giving them luck?

[wicked heath]

We’ll learn more on how it works in Season 3 :)

[hard vector]

because what I really wanna know is that good guest is probably an actual entity since he can actually change the weather but at the same time, it contradicts so much with bad guest cause he did impressive things back then in previous games and books but in hn3 his weakness is a bright light and doesn't do really much. And if Good Guest is way stronger than bad guest then it should be easy to defeat him. The point is, I really don't want them to erase entity bad guest out of existence in hn3 😭

[hard vector]

also here is another thing AS is not relevant for the games guest at all since it's own continuity

[wicked heath]

Okay something to remember is that HN3’s story is a somewhat separate story,
However, it does somehow fit with the other games

Its the whole “Mayak will explain everything” all over again

[sudden imp]

Okay so if act 2 is before hn3 and act 3 is after hn3

why does it look like act 2 in act 3

[wicked heath]

What?

[split oriole]

?

[split oriole]

pretty sure act 3 happens before hn3

[keen basin]

yeah hn3 is after act 3

I uh hope Nicky moved

[marsh idol]

still better than fnaf books

[marsh idol]

giving luck?

[wicked heath]

Oh hello!

Oh you’re also in the LN community

[marsh idol]

i ion talk there as much as bendy and hn

[marsh idol]

the two are different entities im pretty sure of it by now

• the “good guest” (raven man as a concept) = symbolic / myth / possibly tied to real phenomena like weather = this is why it feels powerful and almost god-like
• the “bad guest” (the physical one we follow) = a manifestation, vessel, or imitation of that idea = this is why he’s weaker, unstable, and has physical limits like light sensitivity

rusty on this symbolic lore

[wicked heath]

(I miss when tinyCrow was around as the LoreMaster…..)

[tiny verge]

it should be noted that the real and fake Guests are something only involving HN3

the anti-christ behaving Forest Dweller is in no way associated with the HN2/WTRB Guest

as you can assume by the fact that Nikita admitted he doesn't know who the HN2 Guest is

[tiny verge]

in HN3, the real Guest is likely not an actual entity

do not confuse the HN3 Guests with the HN2 Guest

especially because if the HN2/WTRB cartoon has their own "real Guest" and "fake Guest" then it's not going to be the same as how HN3 does it

[wicked heath]

God I cant wait for Mayak to “explain everything.”

After Eight years

[marsh idol]

yea

[wicked heath]

AHH MYSTERY HIIIIIII

[quick dagger]

The Mayak will be the place to say hello to your neighbor

[wicked heath]

Havent seen you in soooo looong! (Been living under a rock for the past two years)

[quick dagger]

It's nice to see you in chat as well, I've been getting back into HN myself as of late and trying to make my HN mod again after playing the HN3 pre alpha

[wicked heath]

^-^ !!

[hard vector]

Then who does?

[wicked heath]

The people of tB

[tiny verge]

the HN2 FG and WTRB writers

so in short

for the HN2 Guest

stay tuned for Season 3

for the HN3 Guest

[wicked heath]

The ppl of EGS who had their hands on it

[tiny verge]

stay tuned for Hello Neighbor 3

[hard vector]

I see but like I feel like making the physical guest weaker somehow is somewhat a downgrade for me

[tiny verge]

the real HN3 Guest can't do anything

not to our knowledge atleast

after all it's the Mayak that controls the weather, not the ritual statue

[hard vector]

Oh ok

[hard vector]

Also is book guest hn2 guest?

[tiny verge]

uuuhhhh

kinda but also kinda not

alot of the books were based off of the Outskirts era of HN2 (the alpha storyline)

I think especially with one of the graphic novels

and when they're not based off of the Outskirts era Guest

then they're kinda their own thing where it tries to fit in with the game but

again

does it's own thing at the end of the day

also I think in one of the other graphic novels the Guest is like supernatural or something which obviously isn't able to fit in with the HN2/WTRB Guest

the only thing we truly know is that WTRB is gonna be the definitive origin story of this Guest

as stated by Alex

[hard vector]

I like supernatural guest 😭

[tiny verge]

I'm fine with it as long as it means cryptid Guest can exist

but my main preference is cryptid Guest

[hard vector]

He is probably both

[tiny verge]

in some media

[hard vector]

But yeah

[tiny verge]

also I only distinguish them because to be supernatural

he has to be a cryptid

however to be a cryptid he does not need to be supernatural

so there is a distinction to be made

they can happen at the same time, it's just not required to for it to be a cryptid

only to be supernatural

I feel atleast

[hard vector]

If guest gets to be a cryptid, does his past feats still stay?

[tiny verge]

Idk

unfortunately I feel the cartoon may actually be debunking cryptid Guest to no end

which kinda saddens me because the idea of a cryptid mythical legend in Raven Brooks gave alot of world building

[hard vector]

Same

[tiny verge]

now I just don't have as much interest as I did

[wicked heath]

I never had much interest in what WTRB brought to the table

I was super skeptical about it from Episode 1

[eager island]

sure

[limber ridge]

Tehnically no.
Even in HN2 There is an urban legend(s) of the guest that it seems he takes on

Wait soryy

[limber ridge]

I meant to reply to this

[novel harness]

no

[novel harness]

no and never.

[novel harness]

source?
Alex confirmed the guest isn't supernatural at all.

HN3 real guest doesn't count

[limber ridge]

HN3 Guest isn't either

[novel harness]

Yes.

[limber ridge]

Nikita of every writer is the least likely to do supernatural stuff, he said his story is grounded plus he confirmed his guest was never supernatural

[novel harness]

Yes exactly, but I never said the real guest is supernatural

[limber ridge]

Then why say HN3 Guest doesn't count

[novel harness]

because he isn't supernatural

[astral vault]

I'm not that caught up on HN lore, what even is the guest

[novel harness]

ugh

[limber ridge]

Depends.

[astral vault]

is he just the neighborhood creep or a demon or what

[novel harness]

all of them

[astral vault]

ah

[limber ridge]

In HN3 The Guest is an urban legend that the town sees as a God(or used to at least).

While the forest dweller is someone who pretends to be that one.

Forest dweller is different from the Guest in HN3 btw, Guest is just the mascot, paintings guy while the forest dweller is a regular guy

In the books the Guest is Peterson lol

[astral vault]

does the Guest have any connection to Thing from HN1 or

[limber ridge]

I don't think so

[novel harness]

the thing is a fear

[limber ridge]

Albeit there's also a symbolical Guest and another one that's probably physical.
In the second comic specifically.
In the regular novels seems like there's just the PeterGuest.
In HN2 there's also urban legends of the Guest, and it seems like the one we physically see is someone taking on that role.

[novel harness]

who the hell is albert

damn i really suck at being funny

😭 🤧

[limber ridge]

Pack it up gal

[novel harness]

alright

[limber ridge]

And the vr Guest, it seems like at least most of his actions are metaphorical so do with that as you will.

[silver vine]

he does?

[limber ridge]

I believe freeze zane was talking about Teddy hiding from the town in general, not just in mayak.

[silver vine]

Ted was never in HG tho

[limber ridge]

In hello guest?

Yes he was as the Guest

I'd say that counts

[dreamy sluice]

From HN1? Absolutely not

The Thing does not actually exist in-universe or in-canon, it serves only to visualize fear for the player

This sentiment is confirmed*

Unfortunately, this is all ruined by the animated series

[limber ridge]

I mean the AS doesn't really do it well but it doesn't ruin anything for HN1.

[unkempt sleet]

I mean, AS did it's best with how you could incorporate The Thing in an animated show

[limber ridge]

True

[unkempt sleet]

It's a show after all, it needs to like do stuff accordingly in its medium

You cant have a character that's only meant to visualize the fear of Nicky when you can just show the fear with how Nicky acts

the closest you could do is like just have The Thing appear in the background when Nicky is reliving his trauma, which would be more like an easter egg rather than an important thing

I think having Nicky actually see it works well within the show itself

[limber ridge]

Well him reaching out to Nicky then having him be scratched all over does give the wrong impression i fear.

But it also shows how much it impacts him i guess

[unkempt sleet]

i think that was just them reusing his basement rig to save time

[wicked heath]

He was hiding in Mayak according to that Interview

Am i wrong?

[limber ridge]

Wasn't it gaap and Aaron was hiding in mayak?

Gotta check

[wicked heath]

Aaron and Ted?

Isnt that the whole reason why funny purple lightning are happening in HG?

[ripe berry]

glad to know HN3 Pre-Alpha has 100% canon lore

[wanton roost]

Good to know I’ll keep that in mind for my next investigation

[wicked heath]

You’re a journalist?

[wanton roost]

Investigator journalist

Im tryna find the raven brooks missing kids

[limber ridge]

The Peterson kids?

[gleaming dagger]

yeah..not just them tho
have you ever heard story of lucy yi?

[eager island]

yeah

its part of full games narrative

[ripe berry]

a small part, but a part nonetheless

[wanton roost]

no

[dreamy sluice]

no, i mean it ruins the idea of the thing not existing
i don't mean it ruins hn1 that's silly

[molten lion]

I saw someone on a private server saying that hn2 takes place in 2007, is that true? I only know the story of hn2 superficially, but I always thought it takes place after Act 2.

[ripe berry]

they were wrong

HN2 is in 1996

it says so in-game

[molten lion]

Thanks

[molten lion]

Do you know where? I want to take a screenshot to have it in a document.

[ripe berry]

ok so, before Day 4 the Mayor's House has a poster outside the gate that mentions 1996 on it

[shell gull]

Tavish are the ones who owned the Golden Apple with the mayor in HN2 being the believed owner. Would that mean Alma Hoffman is related or has connections to the Tavish or the mayor?

[wicked heath]

HN3’s story is separate so we can’t exactly tell

[silver vine]

HN2 Mayor isnt Tavish

[limber ridge]

What are all the characters that had complete story arcs in all of HN? Nicky is like the only one i can think of.

Well Regina and Pris would count too i believe. Regina at least.

[shell gull]

Fair.

[shell gull]

Isn’t it heavily implied with the fact he has the golden Apple Park at his mansion along with the fact that the Mayor in the books was Tavish?

[vagrant igloo]

diane
mya
lucy yi
anyone who died really

[dense raven]

Nicky

that's it we're done

[silver vine]

Tavish left. He left his position, and the cult

[unreal flume]

Do Raven Brooks inhabitants live in anarchy, since there aren't laws (place blowing up) and police?

[unkempt sleet]

i guess thats true around the HN3 times

[unreal flume]

Wow

Since they live in anarchy, the two most "powerful" and "fearless" beings in town are Peterson and Guest

Right?

[limber ridge]

Peterson is kinda in hiding

[unreal flume]

Mhm, yeah

[limber ridge]

I'm not sure just how feared he is.

But powerful yeah

[unreal flume]

Maybe a bit, because no one knows clearly him and his backstory

[limber ridge]

And the Forest dweller is definitely feared and powerful i would Say.

[unreal flume]

Absolutely

[unreal flume]

The only ones that know are Nicky and, maybe, the Historian

The other ones don't know him very much

They think is like an outcast or, I don't know...

@limber ridge maybe, maybe....

[unreal flume]

What do you think @unkempt sleet? (Sorry for pinging)

[dreamy sluice]

nicky and quentin

quentin's arc finished when he died offscreen

[hard vector]

Do we know if the Middle guy is the guest or just another guy?

[ripe berry]

every character sees him as Monster so very

[ripe berry]

we think it's a fakeout (Not the Guest, but the real Guest will take this stuff from them)

[limber ridge]

No

We don't know

[shell gull]

Oh yeah that’s true, completely forgot about that end bit in the Aaron trilogy.

[next sierra]

Hi! I'm a bit out of the loop, so I've wanted to ask a question - the "Golden Apple" has been appearing fairly frequently (especially recently in the HN3 pre-alpha) so I want to know did we already figure out what is the meaning of it?

[cedar merlin]

Long story short: the Golden Apple is just a brand name for a company in the HN universe. It may have had some deeper meaning back in the alpha days of the original Hello Neighbor (someone may know this more than me), but from what I know/remember, there is no deeper meaning to it

[next sierra]

Oh, okay. Thanks!

[plucky topaz]

its also an item wich in alpha 3 or 4 shows a cutscene that not many know of

if you throw it in a tube of some sort

[wicked heath]

Its a super rich company that’s taken a habit of ruining the lives of Raven Brooks’ citizens.

In HN2, the murderous Raven cult is solidly connected to that company

[wicked heath]

It’s a gramophone

[wicked heath]

Back in the days, they represented sins

The big apple tree painting is a direct reference to the Tree of Knowledge

[marsh idol]

unknown minion

also it’s most likely Theo since it’s his wrench and i find it a bit convenient that the guest stole the wrench from Theo to fight them

[hidden kernel]

is hn3 canon to 1 and 2

[wicked heath]

Its a separate story

[limber ridge]

To 1 yeah but it does a different thing from 2, it seems.

[hidden kernel]

alr

[silver vine]

I dont remember the company being mentioned in HN2 at all

[left steeple]

Are there more places to consider apart form Raven Brooks when exploring HN's story?

[dense raven]

I guess wherever golden apple corp headquarters are

and the city?

doesn't have much relevance since that's just where Quentin/Nicky go to until they're grown and go back

Uhh whatever's the deal with the island and kinda Germany too I guess?

[dreamy sluice]

golden apple only had meaning back in the alpha 2>beta plotline where it first showed up, where i assume blah blah blah apple doesn't fall far from the tree or something
(prior to this in the original devil plot there was only one mention of the golden apple in the rifle range, where i don't believe it had more meaning than just a reference like 50% of references back then. really, it's kind of hit or miss whether a reference means something because sometimes it's just "oh look guys it's text that says evil guy in latin" and other times it's "this actually alludes to how the neighbor's personality is presented out of the main gameplay")

[next sierra]

It's kinda a shame since I had some theories/references. It reminded me of the golden apple from greek mythology, and also the apple of truth + the golden calf from the bible

[limber ridge]

Well im pretty sure Teddy built more parks in places other than Germany

So those too

And tehnically in Nikita HN there aren't countries from real life at all, so maybe those are like fairly interesting too idk.

[dreamy sluice]

sole reference to it back then is the prize on the placard

in the rifle range

but it's certainly not anything major

if it's a reference to something. seems like it's on the same page as all the other item references

like the various text on objects

where 99% of it is a reference

[dreamy sluice]

i was mistaken, it shows up a whole one time rather than no times

[next sierra]

I meant it as in the fact that in HN1 it only appears as an easter egg, in HN2 it doesn't appear at all (iirc), and now in HN3 it appears much more, but I'm wondering whether it will mean something this time, like with todays company names, or will it be just another mention

[dreamy sluice]

i'm certain that the company itself of GA plays more of an important role

from what i can see all over the town it's being presented that GA took over raven brooks at some point and washed out stuff like traditions and history

so i'm sure when the game is more developed we'll get a lot more info on that

[next sierra]

I meant it in the way that maybe the name itself can tell us something about the company? Like "Google" is close to "googol" which is a large number, or "Twitter" is similar to "tweet" which is the singing of birds used by them to communicate, maybe "Golden Apple" is also supposed to represent something about the company?

[dreamy sluice]

oh, i see

mayb 🤔

they've recontextualized things in these games before, so i wouldn't be surprised if they were to do it for GA's name

[eager island]

might be a reference to Judgement of Paris story but i doubt that

a symbol of something so desirable it sparks competition and conflict

basically the prize everyone wants

[dense raven]

to be fair I'm pretty sure there's a real company called golden apple in Russia

[dense raven]

I think it has to do with Rotten Core, the roller coaster in the GAAP that Theodore built and that Lucy died on

Golden Apple, Rotten Core

aka on the outside it's great but on the inside there's evil which goes for more than just golden apple corp in HN

[next sierra]

Wouldn't it be funny if there was also a town named raven brooks in rusia?

[limber ridge]

There is a building with an eye on Russia btw

Though the eye was actually broke down recently

[eager island]

changed to Guest Roller Coaster in hn3

[hard vector]

Quick question, I know some of you say that the guest in hnvr is just metaphorical but how do you exactly explain the drawing of him right at the game start?

[limber ridge]

Well the rescue squad is using that place as of VR so maybe they interacted with the Guest before or smth.

[hard vector]

But wasn’t aaron a kid back then?

[limber ridge]

Or like seen/Heard of him.

[limber ridge]

Okay?

What does that have to do with anything?

[hard vector]

Frigid there is no way the guest was a kid in disguise back then

[limber ridge]

Who said it is though?
Just because Aaron is probably the forest dweller in HN3 it doesn't mean he has to be everywhere.
Nikita didn't even work much on VR afaik.

He doesn't know the Guests of stories he hasn't worked on.

[hard vector]

Also quick question is hnvr after or during the AS?

[limber ridge]

During season 1 Finale i guess, but a different version of events.

Or tehnically before you could say due to AS taking place later on (i believe Alex confirmed the 2000s or just whenever they have Phones) you could say VR is before but its events are those of season 1 Finale mostly.

[hard vector]

But what about that one girl who only joins the crew in season 3? Wasn’t she on vr?

[limber ridge]

Idk are you trying to make them fit linearly?

It doesn't work that way.
It's the saving of Nicky from the basement just like in season 1 Finale but very different.
Finch and Delroy are included, the process goes differently, etc.

[hard vector]

Do you guys think the kids crew from the previous hn games are already grown up in hn3?

[eager island]

i dont think anyone would be same after 30 years

[limber ridge]

Well HN3 is in 2028.

[ripe berry]

Hello Neighbor 3 means there are technically two Guests at all times
the town symbol and the person

the Town symbol would definitely exist by this point

so Guest on the board means little

(and also HN2 Guest might also exist by this time in the games)

[tiny verge]

I think in this case it's where the Guest is both metaphorical yet somewhat still exists

remember this game had been based on the Yellow Press storyline with the Outskirts (the Guest World), but was released when Hello Neighbor 2's story had already changed

this version of the Guest is an amalgamation of what Nikita planned and what TinyBuild planned after Nikita left EGS

[dense raven]

that makes me wanna do violent activities

[limber ridge]

Like sacrificing children on rollercoasters?

[dense raven]

change literally anything else in the park to be Guest centered WHY ROTTEN CORE OF ALL

[tiny verge]

oh

[dense raven]

perhaps

[tiny verge]

well if that's the case

I'm going to keep calling it the Rotten Core

[limber ridge]

I don't really care that much about it ngl

Rotten core was cooler but mehh.

[tiny verge]

not something I care much about either however it is alot less confusing

atleast for me

[limber ridge]

I gues

I'll just call it whatever i feel like

[vagrant igloo]

could still be changed in the future

[eager island]

its better for narrative

explains why vandals are sacrifacing isaac just in the same way lucy yi died

[dawn relic]

so lucy yis death wasnt an accident?

[eager island]

no it was, but some people thought its something with the guest

[dawn relic]

its obv the guest

[eager island]

well probably not in the way what you think

misfortunes struck because the townspeople didn't hold the festival

[dawn relic]

is that a nikita refrence

[eager island]

yes

[eager island]

and one of that misfortune is lucy yi accident

[tiny verge]

I thought it was because Peterson ignored safety features and tests because it interrupted the fun or something like that

which I kinda liked because I kinda like when Peterson is like

a horrid engineer who makes stuff that could fall apart the moment a leaf touches it

(Act 3 house)

[dreamy sluice]

when peterson was building

the guest deity came down and was like

"yo bro y'know what would be super sick"

and convinced teddy to do an incredible job

[tiny verge]

I can't believe it, this entire time they were actually partners in crime...

what's next, it turns out they actually cooked in an RV..?

[marsh idol]

because he literally exists

he's a real dude

just when he shapeshifts and tortures peterson is when it's metaphorical showing his pain, trauma etc

[tiny verge]

yeah

[wicked heath]

On a different topic: Wasn’t the crow in the cage in GN2 the Guest?

And wasnt that crow also helping Ted keep the Weather machine going?

[wicked heath]

I can just imagine just Peterson working late nights at home designing, and the Guest crawling on his wall and ceiling being all chill while saying this

[dense raven]

I doubt he'd neglect this badly after his rides have repeatedly harmed somebody

it's more of a case of managment and the corporation pinning all the blame on him

using him a scapegoat, which is also a thing of the cultists bad luck shenanigans or whatever I think

but yeah Theo can be a really silly engineer at times

[limber ridge]

In Nicky triliogy the neighbor did say himself he doesn't wanna add safety limits as it reduces the thrill iirc

[dense raven]

oh

[limber ridge]

But i doubt HN3 is using that tbh.

[dense raven]

welp 🤷

[limber ridge]

It wasn't even major thing in Aaron triliogy

Not as much as cult and mayor rushing him at least.

I don't even know If Teddy made them parks in HN3.

[worthy topaz]

You guys probably discussed this before but is HN2 still connected to HN3 in the storyline? And if so how because we don’t know who attacked us at the end of HN2

[unkempt sleet]

HN3 isn't a continuation of HN2

[limber ridge]

It's not connected most Likely.

At least in the sense of it won't be referenced much or get anything new

[tiny verge]

they're pretty disconnected all things considered

the only thing that can be connected is the fact that it's Hello Neighbor

nothing else really

[limber ridge]

Golden apples.
There's the Guset.
There's Teddy.
There's (probably) Aaron.
There's Raven Brooks.
There You have it that's 5 connections i can make with HN2 and 3

[unkempt sleet]

Mayak

[tiny verge]

the Guset is HN3 only smh

[worthy topaz]

Is HN3 a continuation of HN1 than?

[limber ridge]

Yes.

[worthy topaz]

Ohh ok that makes sense

Also is it possible that HN3 is the last hello neighbor game that ends the story or could they eventually be a HN4 or is it too early to tell

[limber ridge]

Probably the last chronologically wise but there will for sure be more games I'd gues

[ripe berry]

too early to tell
BUT I do think this might be the final game narratively
like from here the games can only go back to the past rather then continue from Hello Neighbor 3

[hidden kernel]

isnt this game kinda ignoring 2

also they will continue to pump out hello neighbor games its their biggest money maker

[wicked heath]

Yeah kind of

[limber ridge]

Yeah Neekeetah didn't really work on it.

[worthy topaz]

If hello neighbor 3 is the end of the story I can’t really see any other hello neighbor games they’d can make .I think HN3 will have a ending where it’s conclusive but it leaves the door open for a 4th game if they want to

Because the only other game they can make which isn’t a continuation of HN3 is probably a hello guest full game

[wanton roost]

well mate

they confirmed there are upcoming HN games

i think spjnoffs

maybe

[dreamy sluice]

hello neighbor 1 was the only game that took place at the end of the timeline before 3 was announced, it'll probably just go back to the way it was before
which is every game being in the past

[worthy topaz]

Fair enough I guess

[limber ridge]

HN3 has more endings though

Which is kind of the main reason i would see it as chronologically last, along with the state of Raven Brooks.
And there's like a whole 2 decades or so that we don't have much of an idea of what went in in.

That and there could be more RB history.

[ripe berry]

yeah, like- not even the spinoffs really cover much of the 2000s-2010s, the only things we know occupy this space is HN1 Act 3 + Finale (2017), HND (2017), a jump in disappearances (beginning 2008), and some character births iirc

[ripe berry]

yeah
there's a whole era we know of where almost nothing happens:
1842-late 1940s

[limber ridge]

And even like half of those are mostly metaphorical and such.( Act 3 and HND i mean)

[ripe berry]

there's also still the Island stuff that they can go back to

[limber ridge]

And reset day continuation If they ever get Carly back for writing.

[ripe berry]

meanwhile 1995-1996 is flooded with content to the point that I'd be surprised if you could fit literally anything else in there

(Missing Pieces, HNHS, HNHS Launch Trailer, Waking Nightmare, parts of the Official Guidebook, WtRB (Semi-canon), Act 1, Buried Secrets, HNVR, Act 2, RBBArchives, Hello Neighbor 2, Hello Engineer, Secret Neighbor, possibly Raven Brooks Disaster)

[limber ridge]

More retelling of Nicky getting trapped and rescue squad does stuff, but this time it's from their parents perspective!

/j

[ripe berry]

(or well Secret Neighbor is complicated but the bulk of it covers 1996 stuff so I group it into 1996)

[proper island]

e

[silver vine]

which part of SN doesnt take place in 1996

[ripe berry]

Ok well, basically:
This Badge comes from sometime after HN2 and since I consider HN2 and Hello Engineer as directly connected this could only exist from VERY late 1996 or after and (I only consider SN Roblox as supporting evidence rather then directly canon but-) SN Roblox's Lobby has the Car Crash that killed Diane from 1995
(I see Secret Neighbor as like- a mix of different memories and events in the timeline combined together rather then everything in SN happening in one time period)

[silver vine]

is HN3s museum the same museum as HN2s

[inland folio]

this reminds me of the hn2 alphas

this dont remind me of nothing else

[wicked heath]

Unlikely

[ripe berry]

depends entirely on if you think Nikita's trying to connect to what can be observed in HN2 or if he's just ignoring HN2 altogether for HN3

[worthy topaz]

Probably not because HN2 isn’t really apart of the lore

[worthy topaz]

I think he is ignoring and I don’t blame him how can you continue with the HN2 ending

I think the new person in charge after Nikita left had no clue how to end the game so he just made a random character hit Quentin

[silver vine]

I mean, how many museums would a small town have

[mystic bramble]

i don't think nikita is really considering it as the hn2 museum but it could just be considered "the raven brooks museum" in both games

[tiny verge]

the person in charge planned for an Act 2

but because there is no Act 2

how can Nikita continue off of HN2

he didn't write Act 2, he wasn't told of anything about Act 2

and also it wasn't a random character

we know it was a cult member

because there's a video of an unfinished cutscene for Act 2 where the cult is dragging Quentin, and then the Guest frees him

[worthy topaz]

Yeah that’s what I am tryna say the new person who took control after Nikita didn’t know how to end it properly so it makes sense tha Nikita can’t continue the HN2 ending

[worthy topaz]

Oh ok fair enough but it’s still a silly ending

[limber ridge]

Any ideas how to group the continuities now?
Like HN3 is with HN1 and HaS, what about the rest?

[ripe berry]

here's how I'd say group it rn:
Original canon (applies to every canon): HN1, HNHS
Extended Canon: HN1, HNHS, Guidebook, SN, Nicky Trilogy, Bosco Bay, RBD, Aaron Trilogy, RD, HE, HND, HNVR, HN2
WtRB Canon: HN1, HNHS, WtRB, HN2
HN3 Canon: HN1, HNHS, HN3

[unkempt sleet]

okay bot

i shall not say that word

[unkempt sleet]

this sucks

grouping different games for no reason

[ripe berry]

yeah... but for now it's nessecary...

[unkempt sleet]

or we can just geniunely stop

[limber ridge]

That's just how it works rn

[ripe berry]

?

[unkempt sleet]

I think… we need to abandon the idea of an HN Timeline

[wanton roost]

ohno

[limber ridge]

It kinda seemed like games wouldn't work together ever Since Nikita confirmed he doesn't know the story of HN2 imo

And by proxy of products he hasn't worked on

This drives the point harder.

[unkempt sleet]

they dont need to FIT together like puzzle pieces

but is it that hard to just not contradict established dates

[wanton roost]

idk what to tell yall

for hn3 all other stuff maybe is just there

idk

[ripe berry]

What- what are you-?

[limber ridge]

If they did care that much about contradictions then i feel like they would have somehow communicated the story

[wanton roost]

whos that

[ripe berry]

bro doesn't know ball

[unkempt sleet]

We got our hopes up with the after Nikita confirmed the books were canon, and we were let down.

[limber ridge]

There's something that explains it and we have no idea how to

[wanton roost]

i dont like tadc

[limber ridge]

(bro hates on peak btw)

/serious

[wanton roost]

so you agree it isnt peak

oh yesss

[wanton roost]

too late

[limber ridge]

No? Read my message again

[wanton roost]

i screenshotted that lightyears ago

soo late

[limber ridge]

I have a GIF you might wanna see

[wanton roost]

nononono

not the render

[unkempt sleet]

would posting images a lot take away my embed priveleges

[wanton roost]

same images would

[limber ridge]

I think so

[unkempt sleet]

i wanna continue the thread but yea lol

[wanton roost]

same gifs

[limber ridge]

Maybe we can do it somewhere else

The thread i mean

[wanton roost]

3 month old water is the best

[unkempt sleet]

lore

[ripe berry]

forward it to another server then.

[safe charm]

But yeah no its sad we have to group games together like this

I don’t like it but i have too to keep my sanity

[limber ridge]

I don't care about how we group games or If it's books or whatever

[safe charm]

Nikita implies that’s not the way we Should Think About it

As there are not multiple timelines

Which means its all one continuity

[ripe berry]

if a way to make it fit gets introduced I wish I could combine HN3 into the extended canon

[limber ridge]

I just wanna know in what measure we can use anything for anything

[limber ridge]

HN3 is isolated though

[safe charm]

Who Said so?

Nikita hasnt Said that

[limber ridge]

Continuities doesn't have to mean "different timelines" or universes or whatever

[limber ridge]

Nikita said HN3 is its own story

[wanton roost]

its own thing basically yes

[limber ridge]

And with new statements it shows more differences

[safe charm]

That just means its not directly following hn2 story

Like continuiing it

Like what happens to Quentin etc

Doesnt mean its its own continuity neccesarily

[limber ridge]

The 1984 thing contradicts a lot which means it's pretty isolated to me

Plus it's its own story

[limber ridge]

What do you think i mean by continuity

[safe charm]

Timelines

(Not talking multiverse btw)

[limber ridge]

What i mean is that HN3 does not follow nor match with stuff other than HN1 and HaS.

But it's still somehow in the same universe/timeline

[safe charm]

That

Doesnt make sense

Unless hn3 isnt real or other stuff from other games isnt real

It can’t be the same universe otherwise

Unless you say its a different timeline

[limber ridge]

It's how it is though

Unless you'd say the 1984 thing is a retcon

[safe charm]

Well it has to be

If everything is mean’t to be the same continuity/universe

That is

[limber ridge]

Noooo

That would absolutely go against the everything is canon thing

[limber ridge]

Nikita didn't work on those pieces of media therefore he shouldn't really get to retcon it.
It would still remain canon but HN3 would be different, i imagine.

How everything is canon, it's not something we can really figure our it seems

[marsh idol]

https://tenor.com/view/majed-tuff-approved-yes-gif-6721950651165735628

[acoustic maple]

How's HN3 lore connected to the previous games

[dreamy sluice]

via time

[tiny verge]

the person who took control did not intend on Quentin getting knocked out as the ending

how the previous writer was has NOTHING to do with why Nikita can't continue off of it

no it's the fact that what they were writing got cancelled and could get completely retconned

and with Nikita probably not getting told about the HN2 lore considering he doesn't even know who the HN2 Guest is

[ripe berry]

we don't know right now.

heck, right now it's best to treat Hello Neighbor 3 as separate.

[mystic bramble]

its best to think about hn3 on its own rather than its connections to previous games

nikita had said this a few times

[ripe berry]

only things we know are probably connected to HN3 are HN1 and Hide and Seek

[mystic bramble]

#hn3-discussion message

[ripe berry]

I do admit it's annoying having to toss out everything we know from everywhere else for HN3
but that's how things are now.

[mystic bramble]

hn's got a few different writers

so nikita only based it on stuff he wrote

connecting all of it would be too exhausting so just a soft reboot is good for the series

you could consider HN a series where, even though its been said before that its all canon, you can see it as different interpretations of the series from different writers as opposed to one series that is a continuous storyline

hn1 is the start with nikita's idea of the series, and books are carly's interpretation of the series and animated series is those writers' interpretation of the series

[tiny verge]

I mean at the same time though

this game is in 2028

while the rest of the franchise at most ever got to 2017

and that was only one time (HN1 Act 3)

not sure about the multimedia but again most of it is in 1996

with the strange exception of WTRB being in the 2000s despite that making no sense (but it's a good thing we don't have to consider all of it as canon anyways)

so pretty much there isn't anything TO continue from anything in the past since all of it is in the past

only HN1 and I think one of the books even comes close to 2028 and even then it's still not close enough

[limber ridge]

The statement that said wtrb is standalone basically said the same for everything else.

[tiny verge]

it can be

but at the same time it can also be contradictory with what we were told previously

I would not be surprised if they realized making everything canon, EVEN IN a way we didn't expect just wasn't a good idea

but if so I atleast want them to confirm it

[limber ridge]

I think that whatever does make everything canon is completely different from any theories we made.

And it just does allow everything to be canon in one universe without retcons or anything of the like, though not very connected

[tiny verge]

it could still be possible

but I just cannot think of anything that makes any sense outside of the time loop theory but

even that I don't think makes sense

(nor would I even think is good)

[limber ridge]

Yeah that's the thing

I can't think of whatever it is

Which is why i'd rather just look at what the media shows

[tiny verge]

sucks for me I guess cause I actually do want to create my own AU

but because now it's just so confusing, I've lost reference material for that AU

[limber ridge]

Is the au focusing on like multiple medias?

[alpine crystal]

Can someone explain The guest to me? He is quite interesting

[primal goblet]

Can someone help me find a camera like this,if you played hello neighbor 2 alpha 1/1.5 or the full game with mods you can see that even though it looks like a old film camera it's digital on the inside

[alpine crystal]

every HN guest identify we know so far.
HN2/AS guest- most likely Franklin Peterson
HN3 forest dweller- most likely Aaron(fake guest)
HN3 real guest- most likely doesn't exist
VR guest- Aaron
Books guest/Comic guest- Theodore Peterson and Pris

Every cultist/HN forest protector identifies we know so far.
Mayor
Gerda
Officer Nielsen
Officer Leslie (cut from the game)
Otto.

Every HN parallel we know so far.
Quentin and Bea being parallel to Aaron and Mya
(Yes I am a nerd, and nothing is wrong with that)

[alpine crystal]

Alright, I will try my best

[limber ridge]

Well Nicky is also a parallel for Teddy

For the purposes of HN1 at least, both had traumas and fears however Nicky defeated his while Teddy didn't

[alpine crystal]

Well yes but.....
I don't see the similarities

[limber ridge]

And wtrb is making some parallel with Trinity and Teddy it seems

[limber ridge]

Fair enough

[alpine crystal]

Only in the books

[tiny verge]

yeah

and infact it spans across multiple franchises

my joke version of the HN lore will actually have way more to it than just the Quentin game I plan to make

(I just also plan to make it to where you can play and isolation and it still make "sense" enough, it's still a joke lore so it's not gonna make perfect sense)

[frigid pumice]

we dont know who died in trinity's house right?

in the series

[limber ridge]

No, i don't think so

[unkempt sleet]

yea we dont

[limber ridge]

Probably someone died by cult.

I'm more interested in what happened at Shelbyville

[silver vine]

why does Raven Brooks in 2028, still have a map from 1984

[ripe berry]

(actually 2021 due to Reset Day)

[frigid pumice]

Whats the best hn book
Am at the 3rd in nickys trilogy

[limber ridge]

Puzzle master for sure.

[limber ridge]

Huh

[ripe berry]

?

[limber ridge]

Saw a message that said "Guardian of the forest" get deleted as soon as i got here

[tiny verge]

still 7 years

alot happens in 7 years

there's not alot to continue when it's almost 10 years into the future

[marsh idol]

lil boy

[marsh idol]

hes someone or something in a costume which he took from presumably the raven society cult leader after they are killed

he terrorizes the town, steals things from people it believes does not belong to them and is the overarching antagonist

very greedy and mischievous

we don’t know very much about them

[alpine crystal]

Yeah that was mine, I sent it to the wrong server my bad

[safe charm]

Do you Think Ted still built the gaap in hn3?

[frigid pumice]

it might be the one from the as or the earth pro thing from the books didnt work out so mainly (yes)

[alpine crystal]

every HN guest identify we know so far.
HN2/AS guest- most likely Franklin Peterson
HN3 forest dweller- most likely Aaron(fake guest)
HN3 real guest- most likely doesn't exist
VR guest- Aaron
Books guest/Comic guest- Theodore Peterson and Pris

Every cultist/HN forest protector identifies we know so far.
Mayor
Gerda
Officer Nielsen
Officer Leslie (cut from the game)
Otto.
Gordon Cleave
Dale Tapps
goat Harold.

Every HN parallel we know so far.
Quentin and Bea being parallel to Aaron and Mya
Forest protector being the parallel to guest(in AS)
HN3 new Faust storyline:

HN3 Peterson representing the Devil
HN3 Forest dweller representing the anti-christ
HN3 real guest representing God

HN3 Isaac being sacrificed to the forest dweller
Most HN3 character names being a Hebrew name.
Books Nicky being a parallel to Books Theodore.
Quentin being a parallel to Ike and Norman Darby

[tiny verge]

I don't think we know for a fact if the HN2 Guest is Franklin

but if it is

then yeah I'm dropping the show from there

[vagrant igloo]

the guest origin in the AS won't be a flashback or anything
so idk how it could be franklin

and hnvr guest is prob not Aaron

[limber ridge]

They could trigger smth that ressurects him, there's ways.

[limber ridge]

I think he means that it's in Aaron's mind.

[vagrant igloo]

"not supernatural"

[limber ridge]

And yet we had a laser come out from a sinkhole

And like isn't that what Nikita said?

[vagrant igloo]

lasers exist irl yknow
AS just exaggerated it
but i was mostly referring to the guest, who alex specificed was not supernatural
and if the guest is a resurrected Franklin, he's 100% supernatural

[limber ridge]

Giant lasers from giant pits that get triggered when someone Falls on them?

[vagrant igloo]

like i said
alex specificed that the guest was not supernatural

[limber ridge]

Yet Alex also said this.
We don't really know what is supernatural to Alex, this might be some sci-fi or something.

[tiny verge]

sci-fi

[limber ridge]

Yep

[eager island]

franklin will be summoned by accident somehow and will take the clothes of cult leader

to cover his body

[wanton roost]

its very easy to figure that out idk how ppl dont see it

purple background in one of the tunnels teasers

what else could it be

[frigid pumice]

In the books didnt mya just trip or did ted kill her or is the aaron way we all know about

Bc i just finished chapter 9 of book 3 and aaron is calling ted a monster

So im kinds confused

[unkempt sleet]

Keep reading and finish the book

your questions will get answered

[frigid pumice]

Bet

[tiny verge]

it's not that I don't see the possibility

it's straight up that I think it'd be bad writing

[limber ridge]

Well i agree

Franklin being Guest would be boring and pretty cliche

[tiny verge]

and honestly

[limber ridge]

But it's pretty likely

[tiny verge]

the fact Act 2 had to be pushed so far for the cartoon

until HN3 popped up and Act 2 had to get cancelled

that's only going to make the cartoon have alot more to do to make all it's reveals satisfying

we lost Act 2 for it so at the very least I want it to be good

[unreal flume]

Is Guest in HN3 Aaron?

And, if so, why he became like that?

[limber ridge]

Hold on a min

[unreal flume]

Yeah yeah, no problem

[limber ridge]

This is the why

[frigid pumice]

We barely know any lore of hn3

[limber ridge]

Well
||In the files Theodore sees the guest as a friend, while the guest sees him as a monster, which means he is basically scared of him||

[unreal flume]

Oh, right...

[frigid pumice]

Unlikely
Bc aaron would be in his 20s-30s
And the guest in hn3 (isnt really a guest) in pretty short but just maybe

[frigid pumice]

What files?

[limber ridge]

No Aaron would be like 40 or so.

[eager island]

what does this mean

[limber ridge]

Of HN3

[frigid pumice]

Even better

[eager island]

in the code

[frigid pumice]

Where can i find them??

[unreal flume]

HN3 Guest is different from HN2 Guest, right?

[limber ridge]

Yeah

[frigid pumice]

Yes

[frigid pumice]

What code

[eager island]

the games code

[unreal flume]

I think it doesn't completely make sense

After all, Nikita said the Guest is someone already seen in the franchise

[eager island]

he did not

[unreal flume]

?

[limber ridge]

When did he say that?

[unreal flume]

Oh, right, it was someone else