lore-discussion

[barren wolf]

But it would make sense if it took place after hide and seek. After figuring out that Aaron lost his sis

[eager island]

the memories takes place before-during-after hide and seek

but in bigger picture game itself is after act 3

[barren wolf]

Eh, i suppose it does make sense when you put it that way

[ripe berry]

it's complicated but tldr with just games?
HNHS + HND Memories
HN1 Act 1
Secret Neighbor (kinda? It's complicated)
Search and Rescue
HN1 Act 2 (Kinda)
HN2 DLCs
HN2 Base Game
Hello Engineer
HN2 Forest Sidequest
Hello Engineer Sandbox Mode
Secret Neighbor (again, complicated)
HN1 Act 2 (In-game)
HN1 Nightmare Sequences (In-game)
HN1 Act 3 and Finale
HND
HN3

[eager island]

hey mike

have you seen the hn3 theories that going on in server
(i.e. DevilNeighbor in hn3)

[wanton roost]

they were so good theories tbh

even tho not many ppl love the whole devil thing lore

[eager island]

yeah

[wanton roost]

it kinda makes sense

[eager island]

its pretty metaphorical but still do makes sense

and in bigger picture
the guest being an god metaphor
forest dweller being an antichrist metaphor

[ripe berry]

(tldr Secret Neighbor has some weirdness to it where it simultaneously is the planning phase for the events in Search and Rescue but references things up to and after the storm implied to occur around the time of Hello Engineer)

[barren wolf]

But wait, wait. Wait, wait. This completely confused me

[ripe berry]

Act 2 is Nicky's distorted memory of his escape so it technically occurs twice
the Nightmare Sequences are, as confirmed in an interview, Nicky learning what happened to Theodore as an adult (hence why if you look down you're adult Nicky in those scenes even though they depict events in 1995)

[barren wolf]

First off. How does hello engineer fit in the lore. Second. How does hello neighbor 2 fit between act 1 and 2??? It doesn't make sense. By that time, Nicky would've been gone

[ripe berry]

the kinda is there for a reason

Act 2 (In-game) is a distorted memory

[eager island]

he didnt say hn2 is before act 2

[ripe berry]

hence why Act 2 is listed twice

[barren wolf]

Oooh

[barren wolf]

Wait. So, act 2 is all a dream??? I never knew that

[eager island]

not a dream, more like how nicky remembers it

[ripe berry]

yeah kinda
a dream (if that makes more sense to you than just memory stuff) version of what Nicky actually went through

[ripe berry]

As for Hello Engineer... well... I've said this a couple times now but it's complicated 😅

[barren wolf]

I simply brushed off hello engineer as a spinoff multiplayer for fun. It has lore?

[ripe berry]

tldr; Throughout the game it's set up Theodore's running experiments in the GAAP trying to use science stuff to go back in time to save his family, he ultimately fails, which leads to one of the non-game medias where he uses the weather science stuff to try to flood Raven Brooks in anger

yes this is canon

no I am not making anything up

[barren wolf]

... I'm sorry what?

[ripe berry]

...welcome to Hello Neighbor Lore

[barren wolf]

I thought this was Abt peterson protecting his only kid. Wdym he tried to flood the entire damn town 😭

[ripe berry]

chances are after the ending of Hello Neighbor 2 he loses Aaron and goes completely insane

[ripe berry]

Aaron is not seen at all in Hello Engineer or the Raven Brooks Disaster (graphic novel where Theodore tries to flood the town)

[ripe berry]

(I say ultimately here because again, depending on what you believe about the lore, it can get WAY more complicated then just "Theodore tries to go back in time and fails")

[barren wolf]

Someone please get this man a therapist 😭🙏

Another thing I'm confused about is. Who's the guest and what's it's deal?

The only theory I have Abt it is it's actually mya

Since in hn 1. When you dig up her grave, she's not there

[ripe berry]

...oh boy, who ISN'T confused about the Guest

[ripe berry]

...the thing is technically there's like at 3 different Guests... yet there also isn't... yet there also is?

because the Guest in HN2 isn't the same as in HN3, neither of which are the same as in the Books
yet Alex has also said there's only one Guest

[ripe berry]

(Nikita has no clue what HN2/WtRB Guest's Lore is so we can say in confidence HN3 Guest isn't the same as HN2 Guest, and the Guest in the books is straight up Theodore, who neither HN2 nor HN3 Guest are clearly so that makes three Guests, because also the Guest is not and has never been supernatural somehow)

...yep, HN Lore is complicated.

[barren wolf]

So. Books: Peterson. Hn 2: guest from pre alpha (I guess? That's what I think) hn 3: either a redesign and still the same guest. Or a completely new one

[barren wolf]

Nvm. Just read that other part

[ripe berry]

literally the best theory I've seen to come up with an explanation is that the Guest is not a single character but like a persona/mindset different people take on, the Guest in HNVR and in a part of Raven Brooks Disaster is symbolic of the mindset thing

HN2 Guest we'll learn in WtRB
Books Guest is Theodore

and if HNVR is anything to go by HN3 Guest might be Aaron

[barren wolf]

And here I thought I had the lore figured out

I'm trying to piece things together but it's getting more and more confusing the more I think Abt it

How do we go from. A man kidnapping people. To flooding an entire town and trying to build a time machine

[ripe berry]

oh also everything is canon (Books, Show, Games, but NOT pre-release material) and the Weather Station/Mayak has something to do with how
(luckily we no longer have to rely on a screenshot from a no longer existent server for this fact!)
#hn3-discussion message

[barren wolf]

EVERYTHING?!

How are we meant to piece all of this together 😭

[ripe berry]

or well
the Games, Books, and Welcome to Raven Brooks (and soon to be the Movie)
but things like the WtRB Pilot or the Alphas/Betas are non-canon

[ripe berry]

wait until you find out that something close to time travel (more specifically time loop stuff) does actually confirmably exists in the HN Universe. (and is likely caused by Mayak Weather Stuff if Hello Engineer is something to go by)

[safe idol]

Hi

[ripe berry]

hi

[ripe berry]

(Reset Day everyone! The book that was definitely part of a trilogy but the 8th and 9th books which would end the trilogy we have no clue if they'll ever even exist!)

[safe idol]

What?

[ripe berry]

welcome to hello neighbor lore

[safe idol]

Hahaah

[ripe berry]

however due to time loop stuff an attempt to make games and books work exists involving it (the user who made this document thought Welcome to Raven Brooks and Hello Neighbor 2 weren't canon at the time so nothing from WtRB gets brought up, but some of us theorists have applied this to WtRB aswell)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15H6d6o9x9KPWlWkfTHauWoY91CS6ow3Ay49r169X7NY/edit?usp=drivesdk

[safe idol]

What

[ripe berry]

only actual corrections the document needs are:
ignore the bit about Error World
Theodore is two years older then was thought at the the of the document, however the time frame part of the document doesn't get affected at all because of it.

if you want to know what happens in the books the best I can do is either tell you to buy them yourselves, go off whatever summaries or quotes we can provide, or I think there's some videos a Spanish YouTuber made that cover things up to Grave Mistakes (although the videos were deleted someone archived and reuploaded them)

[ripe berry]

said user who made this also made a timeline document before coming up with this theory
so if you want TLDR on most of the lore minus HN2 and WtRB: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AcAI9lMucsQW_4F-20n6OdBkCnRdKZ0Ku4qTB6kpi20/edit?usp=drivesdk

welp I probably accidentally scared them off by throwing too much at once...

[limber ridge]

(because Aaron becomes the Guest)

[limber ridge]

And also there's audiobooks from this Mark Hammond guy over on youtube

[brazen spindle]

I have one thing to ask...where to you guys think Hn3 fits (or will fit) into the timeline ?

[limber ridge]

It takes place in 2028, and has multiple endings, so the common take is that it's at the very end of it

Also from what we know it's the time in which the town gets destroyed by one final storm

And since Raven Brooks is what the story's about, you know.

Also there being anything after it would kind of invalidate choices of the player.

[dense raven]

Theo's throwing hands

also isn't that literally the well

[limber ridge]

Pretty sure it is

To the...
Right i think

Oh yeah his shoe's at the right side too

And what do you know, it's brownish yellow

[tiny verge]

wait hold on I didn't even notice that shoe

[limber ridge]

It's funny to me ngl

[tiny verge]

it COULD be the same shoe as the one here

could be

[limber ridge]

Seems like it

[tiny verge]

wait

but I just realized

[limber ridge]

But the shoe is of Teddy in that case

[tiny verge]

the shoe in this older teaser is like

pointier

[tiny verge]

this has kinda more rounder shoes

either one, this is an animation inconsistency, or they're not the same shoe and I was actually wrong

[dense raven]

I think the wrench spells it out

[tiny verge]

not really

[dense raven]

isn't it nearly identical to the Trinity and Delroy teaser

[limber ridge]

People were acting as If it's 100% Guest but would you look at that

[dense raven]

Theodore 1v5ing the forest protectors at the well I think it's kinda clear

[limber ridge]

There's 5 cultists there and Teddy's killing all 6 of them.

[tiny verge]

there just isn't enough information for me to come up with anything because Peterson doesn't even have yellow soles
unless color theory is coming into play here

I don't think it's Peterson either

he has white soles

[dense raven]

why are we judging it by

shoes

[limber ridge]

Yeah...

The cloak If anything is more important

[tiny verge]

only visible detail that's not a literal wrench of all things

[dense raven]

son

[limber ridge]

Like in this image you can see a cloak up there

[tiny verge]

those are gray

[limber ridge]

But no shoes are foolproof evidence!!!

[tiny verge]

I've already talked about the cloak

the cloak isn't enough detail either

because you could either say three things about it

[limber ridge]

I'd say it's better than the shoe

Even then

[tiny verge]

which I've done already
#hello-neighbor message

[dense raven]

it's definitely ted

he's carrying it EVERYWHERE 😭 WHAT IS THIS DEDICATION

[tiny verge]

I'm just saying I don't think the wrench really helps because what's just as possible

was that he was there earlier

and left the wrench there

which is what I already assumed because of the lack of information suggesting otherwise

that's the thing about these teasers though, they're not going to give us all the detail

[dense raven]

lookie look it even does the drag across the floor thing

[limber ridge]

They sure'll regret not letting him in the club

[tiny verge]

I already just said why I don't think this is definitive proof that he is there at the current moment of the screenshot

we don't know the context behind these teasers just yet

they're just teasers

[dense raven]

You know I thought one time "man could Theodore have become a cultist if the old inventors club didn't just hate his guts for no reason" but like definitely not

[tiny verge]

that's why I stopped being confident even with my own hypothesis

[dense raven]

I dunno man unless they were going "Oh oh and make it so in this scene another character is wielding Theodore's wrench in literally the exact same fashion so we could crop a frame and bait everyone into thinking it's actually Theodore" for no reason I'd argue it's just Theo

they sure went through the effort of making him obsessed with that wrench in particular

[tiny verge]

that's under the assumption that we haven't seen Theodore there previously

or well

when this comes out atleast

[dense raven]

what do you mean haven't seen Theodore there previously

[tiny verge]

again we can't just be confident in everything we think

[tiny verge]

remember this is gonna be animated it won't just be screencaps

[dense raven]

not following

[tiny verge]

there could be a point in time where we see Peterson in that same area

[limber ridge]

Well it is the same people that tricked us into thinking the cult was the guest for 0 reason so

[tiny verge]

which would explain the wrench just as much as if he IS actually there

[dense raven]

what if non-Nikita tinyBuild actually think the Guest is the cult

[tiny verge]

see what I mean..? it's NOT definitive

there IS no definitive answer

[dense raven]

I don't get it

[tiny verge]

because they're only giving us breadcrumbs

[limber ridge]

I think it is most likely Teddy

[tiny verge]

it could be

[limber ridge]

I'm not fully sure

[tiny verge]

and it could be not

[dense raven]

I think it's pretty obvious especially as a callback to the flashback

[limber ridge]

But probably

[tiny verge]

it's 50/50

[limber ridge]

It also depends on who that blue-red cloaked guy is

[tiny verge]

that's what I'm saying here

[dense raven]

they murdered his brother here and nearly killed him as well, now he's strong enough to settle the score at the same very place

narrative narrating so far

[tiny verge]

I can't even be confident to say if that guy is the Guest either because with the little information we have

it's enough to make me rethink it all

[limber ridge]

Literally it's all going in reverse

[eager island]

i dont think they would reveal guest in an random screenshot would they

[dense raven]

Watch it turn out it's just Abanante's sunday best

[tiny verge]

I don't either

but really who knows at this point

[ripe berry]

no that literally has to be the Guest

[limber ridge]

Ima call him guest prophet for the time being

[tiny verge]

but it can't be

because of the underlaying black cloak

[ripe berry]

that's the same cloak with the SAME MEDALLION as his HN2 Design

[tiny verge]

but the brown cloak is there too and that's the same one the Guest wears

[dense raven]

I really hope not because he literally looks like Crowface but with another cloak layer

[ripe berry]

wait yeah maybe

[eager island]

yeah its alex who literally just straight up said something supposed to be "plot twist"

[ripe berry]

wait

[limber ridge]

Well wait, Alex said a while ago that we'd see what's up with that cloak, or implied it.

[tiny verge]

man of course it comes back to Alex

[dense raven]

even patch 9 guest has more than that

[ripe berry]

Crowface Leader™ dies to the Guest
Guest steals the cloak

[tiny verge]

I agree

[dense raven]

could this be the same scene actually

[tiny verge]

he still has his pre-patch 9 design just without the bag on his back

[dense raven]

look at the purpel glow

and this looks like the tunnels

[tiny verge]

see that's kinda why I'm confused on the teasers too actually

[limber ridge]

Probably

[tiny verge]

I don't know what the order of events specifically are just that this specific teaser we got a while back has to be after

[limber ridge]

I mean since it is most likely Teddy

Actually

[dense raven]

he's just brutalizing them 😭

[limber ridge]

He's killing 6 out of 5 cultists

[tiny verge]

Idk maybe that'd explain what this is then

or maybe it doesn't

50/50

[dense raven]

in that case kudos to inventors club for being smart little teens and not standing at the edge of the giant crater

[ripe berry]

or maybe this is Ted because his shoe in the Mayak Lighting is the same as the one who kills Crowface Prophet(?)

[dense raven]

except for Finch I wish she'd die

[tiny verge]

they're not going to reveal who this is until the show actually continues

and honestly that's why I don't think we can be confident in anything

[dense raven]

oof yikes sorry never happening

S3 delayed to winter 2028

!!

[tiny verge]

I mean it seems like they're getting a good bit of it

I definitely think it will take longer than S2 did since it seems they're trying to ramp up the tone

[tiny verge]

anyways, I do think it's possible that the Guest gets his cloak from one of the cultists

[limber ridge]

I mean season 2 released in october

[tiny verge]

but it's 50/50 now

[dense raven]

I'm praying for a MITH cameo because it's GAAP

please Alex I need this

[limber ridge]

I'm surprised that guy exists since for what i felt the leadership was kinda shared between the 4.

[tiny verge]

most cults have a leader

guess you could say they're a cult leader

[limber ridge]

Abanante felt like a leader enough, even the mayor

[tiny verge]

(and none of you will get that joke because I intentionally referenced my own RP server haha you guys are left in the dark!)

[limber ridge]

They don't wear anything outstanding

[ripe berry]

so we got potentially 2 figures to try to identify now:

Crowface Prophet

and the WtRB!Guest

[tiny verge]

hmm do I continue to stay in this and avoid losing my mind
or do I continue my journey from last night and lose my mind trying to find the "Quentin synth"

[ripe berry]

the what?

[limber ridge]

Nahh i doubt Guest prophetᵀᴹ has an identity

[tiny verge]

just what I've temporarily dubbed the synth that's used in most of the Quentin-related music

I've had to look into Synthwave for this

[limber ridge]

I'd be fine with him just being a rando ngl

Because we don't see him like anywhere

It could be a Tavish or smth

[tiny verge]

I mean I have to ask though

is it really a prophet

[limber ridge]

Or If it's someone we know, Abanante

[limber ridge]

Idk

[tiny verge]

or does it only seem like one because the Guest wears the same cloak afterwards

[ripe berry]

because now that I think about it
Crowface Prophet may not be the real Guest since we've seen the Guest "in a way" in WtRB Seasons 1 and 2
#hello-neighbor message

[limber ridge]

I just thought that was a fun name

[tiny verge]

I get it

[ripe berry]

and we never saw Crowface Prophet

[tiny verge]

but it is kinda confusing because HN3 has a "Guest Anti-Christ"

that's kinda why I'm bringing this up

[eager island]

literally 2 different storylines though

[tiny verge]

yeah but you do realize TB is gonna force both to be canon

that's how things are doomed to be

[limber ridge]

They are both canon

[ripe berry]

Crowface Prophet could be Tavish or Franklin

[limber ridge]

But don't fit 1:1

[eager island]

"canon" does not mean theyre tied 1:1

[eager island]

or like two pieces of a puzzle

[tiny verge]

look I'm just saying two people in the franchise doing similar things

whether or not that makes them fit in story

that's not my point

[eager island]

yeah i agree with that

[tiny verge]

just that two people in the franchise doing similar things can be confusing

[limber ridge]

Fair

[tiny verge]

I didn't really mention continuity or storyline until someone else did

I wasn't even getting at that

just that THIS IS a franchise

[ripe berry]

which also works since remember
Guest Origin is NOT a Flashback!

[tiny verge]

which I really hate btw and I will forever seethe

[limber ridge]

And we will see exactly how it goes down

[ripe berry]

#hello-neighbor message

[limber ridge]

Just to enforce the fact that it's not likely to be a retelling or anything of the sort

It's in real time

[eager island]

its mayak isnt it

[ripe berry]

wait
true Guest also steals the mask
that's why the camera shows the mask being broken off here
the mask and cloak are taken by the Guest

[tiny verge]

I kinda have to deny the cryptid Guest as a possibility because of it and that alone really sucks

[limber ridge]

Yeah, the Well at that

[ripe berry]

that's the well

[eager island]

its probably ep 18 or 17

[ripe berry]

where we get the answer to the Guest's Cloak in HN2

[tiny verge]

I hope not but that hope is kinda getting lost

[eager island]

so its like he is wearing it to hide whatever happened to his body

[ripe berry]

possibly? idk

updated the Guest Evolution Chart

[tiny verge]

y'know it could also be that TB is trying to fit their version of the Guest in with HN3, changing their own lore to fit with Nikita

even though that'd

cause alot of problems tbh

the thought kinda dawned on me that things could become messy

[eager island]

it cant be the case because a lot of AS stuff was done way before hn3 stuff

[ripe berry]

(I know this is combining multiple versions of the Guest but technically all of these must exist in the same timeline, so retroactively any Guest Lore HN3 builds must exist in the background for WtRB)

[ripe berry]

this chart could change completely depending on what WtRB S3 does with the Guest

[limber ridge]

Or how much HN3 story changed for the pre alpha

I think.

[ripe berry]

wait
this could be why HN2 Guest's beak is damaged

the beak is damaged in the fight
so when HN2 Guest wears it it remains damaged

[ripe berry]

however this dude's mere existence likely kills the SchmoefaceGuest theory
but the Ep. 6 Crow Door
Red Eyed Crow (possibly???)
and Black Book Symbols remain valid Guest representations/hints

[limber ridge]

And Franklin

[ripe berry]

assuming he's not Crowface Prophet

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah that too

I mean

That one guy seems like any other cult members just a Little dressed

[ripe berry]

(if Crowface Prophet isn't the Guest)

[limber ridge]

Though we haven't even seen him in action at all

So i shouldn't really judge based of that

[ripe berry]

wasn't there a character in WtRB S2 just credited as Crow Face?

[tiny verge]

I realize that, but that's why I say if that does happen it'd make things messy

[limber ridge]

In Secret Neighbor? iirc

[tiny verge]

I don't think it's too possible but now it's something I can't ignore and I hate that

[limber ridge]

I feel like that's just the placeholder for someone they didn't wanna name

[ripe berry]

just bringing it up since there's a chance Crow Face could be referring to Crowface Prophet here

[limber ridge]

Crowface prophetᵀᴹ has the cloak thing going on

Maybe it's something for the ritual specifically

[ripe berry]

yeah

I mean

[limber ridge]

But then someone like the mayor or whatever wouldn't be excluded from being Crowface prophetᵀᴹ

[ripe berry]

doesn't Norman Darby say something about that?

the outfits being part of the rituals I mean?

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah he said the clothes started off as parts of the ritual

Then they used those to make up rumours

In wtrb the clothes seem a bit more technological or something like that(Voice changers)

Which mayak, luck devices, you know the drill, can have some relation to.

[ripe berry]

yeah

[limber ridge]

In the books they were just kinda

Costumes

[ripe berry]

plus in HN2 they show the Cultists wearing Golden Apple Tokens

yet

none exist on the AS Designs

[marsh idol]

yall def already talked about this

but get me caught up, WHO is this

https://x.com/neighborgameshq/status/2036119262318768354?s=61

Hello Neighbor Games (@NeighborGamesHQ)

Yesterday, the original Hello Neighbor broke its concurrent player record! 📈

So to celebrate, here's a little something...

X · Mar 23, 2026, 4:33 PM

[limber ridge]

Not the guest is the running thing

[ripe berry]

or well
specifically ONE Cultist in the painting

[ripe berry]

presumed leader of the Raven Society

[marsh idol]

?

[limber ridge]

Probably some cult leader

That we call a prophet because why not

[marsh idol]

their beaks are tilted so weirdly down

[limber ridge]

They're more like plague doctors

[ripe berry]

we only even mention that it's not the Guest because they're definitely why HN2 Guest has that cloak

[marsh idol]

gosh his beak is so big as well

[ripe berry]

this could potentially be the same person as Crowface Prophet™ but using HN2 Artstyle? or a former leader of the cult before Crowface Prophet?

[marsh idol]

no members were left alive

[limber ridge]

Since it ended up in a museum i think it's former leader

Actually in that case you'd think more people would know of the cult

Which means maybe the cult just put it there for some reason after it got closed because... whatever.

[ripe berry]

because they are the only two outside of the statue in the Museum depicted wearing a medallion that makes them stand out

(dang it internet! why you delay my message!)

[marsh idol]

yea i agree they probably are the same

but in this shot, i don’t know if the guest killed them

it seems like Theo (even though the shoes don’t match) killed them

i mean MAYBE the guest is holding the weapon instead

[ripe berry]

remember
Guest takes everyone out

#hello-neighbor message

[marsh idol]

the guest stole it from Theo and here they’re doing the job themselves

[marsh idol]

thats just saying how strong he is physically

[wanton roost]

oh wait this makes alot more sense

[marsh idol]

as said before the shoes arent as pointy as the one from the previous teaser

maybe a revise on the shoes

[limber ridge]

The shoes again man

[marsh idol]

it’s almost certain The Guest is just using Theo’s weapon to kill the leader here

still wondering what the Guest is going to look like

[limber ridge]

They really don't matter that much.

[marsh idol]

i mean maybe Theo or the Guest but i’m leaning towards the Guest

[limber ridge]

It doesn't seem like they do

[wanton roost]

who could be the cult leader tho

[marsh idol]

it also looks like the leader is definitely ready to fight here, holding their hands out

[wanton roost]

i think thats theo

[limber ridge]

I feel like it's just a rando, If not, our possibilities thus far are:
Franklin.
Some Tavish.
One of the 4 kids in the old Inventor's club(Abanante probably)

[marsh idol]

again though shoes don’t match

the colors

it seems more like the guest stole it

[wanton roost]

tavish seems so important

[marsh idol]

and is using it to kill the leader and the other members

[wanton roost]

guest stealin shoes?

[limber ridge]

They founded the town, are the Root of the cult, funded the mayak

[wanton roost]

yeah i doubt that

[marsh idol]

no?

theo’s weapon

[limber ridge]

Ordered the gaap

Teddy's weapon is his alone to weild

[wanton roost]

oh

[limber ridge]

Wait so like

Remember how in the season 2 premiere Franklin and Teddy were about to exit the tunnels

With like teasers we have there's two possibilities as to where it could have lead

Either it's from that one teaser of Trinity and Finch following the cultist

Or from the image tb had when talking about the kickstarter

Actually there's a secret 3rd one

But i won't describe it.

[ripe berry]

thinking about it
for a character as seemingly important as this
there's only really two people who'd fit within the context of WtRB
Franklin and Abanante

because it'd be unsatisfying for such a seemingly important character to be, in the context of JUST WtRB and nothing else, a random

[tiny verge]

why would Franklin be in charge of the cult that killed him, only to try and ruin Peterson's life

[wicked heath]

Thats something thats always bothered me with “Franklin is the guest” theory

[tiny verge]

not theory

there isn't evidence for it

therefore it's just a really bad hypothesis

of which is unsatisfying, illogical, and narratively makes no sense

[ripe berry]

Because he's one of the only options really
most people are throwing out Abanante due to the extra cloak layer

[tiny verge]

can I just say that anyone who thinks this is just

not really thinking about it at all

Franklin's death was meant to throw us off

he can't be an option

because he died

[ripe berry]

I view Franklin more like
he retroactively haunts the narrative, being the catalyst for most of what we see in WtRB

[tiny verge]

I just can't see it

why would he be the leader of a cult..? why would he be the Guest..? why any of that

what motive does he have

[ripe berry]

yeah I agree

I see it as a possibility but not a likely one

[tiny verge]

I don't see it as even a 0.00000001% chance

[ripe berry]

he's better as just his death causing everything else to happen in the franchise, or being used to build on Theodore's existing character

[tiny verge]

I think the creation of the Mayak is more of a catalyst tbh

since it seems to get used alot

[ripe berry]

in a way they both are

Franklin's death kickstarts everything to do with Theodore being an enemy of the Cult
the Mayak being built kickstarts the the cult coming into existence (they implictly existed in some form before then but me and a few others think the luck stuff only really started after the Mayak was built)

Abanante works better as the Guest then Franklin in the context of just what WtRB has built up

I definitely think Abanante is either a Guest Fakout or the Guest

[marsh idol]

it’s kinda objectively wrong

i don’t see franklin being in any way the guest

and the cult

leader

[ripe berry]

yeah
it's a theory that everyone knows is wrong, but until they explictly show who the Guest and Crowface Prophet™ are is undebunkable.

[tiny verge]

it really is not undebunkable

you genuinely would have to actively ignore all arguments against it to ever see it as undebunkable

[inner lichen]

okay so anyways

continuing from earlier

the first two alpha builds for HN2 (minus Hello Guest) were very interesting to me

[dreamy sluice]

franklin dead as hell

[inner lichen]

there's not much we know, but I'm happy that Nikita decided to give up a few details

[tiny verge]

I think the main reason why there isn't alot

was simply just because there wasn't alot to the lore yet

[inner lichen]

actually, there's one main reason why we know next to nothing

we only have a version of the Outskirts map available in the alphas

we don't have the regular Raven Brooks map, or the Intro to work with

[tiny verge]

wait so there IS more to the story..?

I'm honestly surprised considering how 1 and 1.5 were apparently all in Quentin's head

[inner lichen]

so for context, the Alpha Storyline revolved around two different maps/worlds

Raven Brooks, the run-down town seen in the first game

and The Outskirts

an area inspired by the stranger things' upside-down

[tiny verge]

wait so the outskirts isn't like

[inner lichen]

The Outskirts is meant to be a representation of how Quentin sees the town

[tiny verge]

a physical location that's just in the outer area of the town..?

[inner lichen]

you may have also heard it being called "Guest World" in the past

[tiny verge]

oh

I genuinely didn't think that the "it's in Quentin's head" went so far as to creating a whole map just to represent it

[inner lichen]

we didn't have a real name for it until I decided to ask Nikita back when he was still answering development questions

it isn't his direct words, but

Alpha 1.5 is supposed to represent Quentin's research into the Mayak Incident that caused Mr. Peterson's friends to be killed

[tiny verge]

maybe I should look into the alpha story more

[inner lichen]

anyways

[tiny verge]

since really I only knew about the Hello Guest era in terms of story

[inner lichen]

that's why the missing trick-or-treaters were relevant

The Neighbor is supposed to be Guest Kid

meanwhile the other two were meant to be people he knew

[tiny verge]

ok that explains like everything now

[inner lichen]

and the red door inside the attic...

is the door to Mayak

[dreamy sluice]

i would never lie to you

[inner lichen]

Nikita explained that he was too afraid to open the door, leading to the deaths of his friends

and in 1.5's ending, Quentin wakes up after a very long, exhausting amount of research

[tiny verge]

no I really do trust alot of what you say since you seem to know alot to begin with

[inner lichen]

the easiest way to describe it is like

[tiny verge]

I just didn't understand it

now I do understand it

[inner lichen]

to me at least

a way for Quentin to process information

or his research

[tiny verge]

makes sense

[inner lichen]

this is how you see a past incident, while it didn't actually happen in real time

[tiny verge]

hm honestly that kinda gives me an idea for something I'm working on involving Quentin

I probably won't do an entire """world""" but I may do something like it

[inner lichen]

and so, the Outskirts Era is one of the more mysterious things in HN2's development

[tiny verge]

yeah since Rumble of The Mill had alot explained

[inner lichen]

it didn't really last that long?

[tiny verge]

HN2 has alot explained

[inner lichen]

Alpha 2 seemed to have scrapped that concept

[tiny verge]

but the alphas just

I really thought the alphas didn't have alot of lore

[inner lichen]

they definitely had things

just

moreso in concept art and like

ideas Nikita had at some point

did you know they had an entire intro sequence programmed into the game?

[tiny verge]

for the Alphas..?

[inner lichen]

one that dates back all the way to Alpha 1

[tiny verge]

oh damn

has anyone figured out what was in it..?

[inner lichen]

kind of?

we don't have the map meant for it

we have intro logic though leftover

also a funny thing I should mention

[tiny verge]

I figured an actual map wouldn't be in it

[inner lichen]

the map the Intro was meant to take place in was called NeighborArea_Base_01

so that kind of implies they copied the map, and eventually turned it into the one we see during Alpha 2

[inner lichen]

and I think we also do see this map at some point

or at least a version of it

intro logic implies that the only area that existed really was the Neighbor's House

and the 16 hour stream lines up with that

since the only real area there was the Neighbor's House

I do hope that once HN3 is released, Nikita is able to do another Q&A

if only to figure out what other plans he would've had around this time

[tiny verge]

yo unrelated question if that's ok with you

[inner lichen]

oh sure

[tiny verge]

do you know what Quentin's full name is

[inner lichen]

no

Nikita never said that

[tiny verge]

I mean like

in general if he has one

cause I kinda need it for something

[inner lichen]

no

he never had it revealed

[tiny verge]

alright

[limber ridge]

He is quite literally one of our only options.
I don't wanna seem like "oh my genius has went through every possible suspect and fully analysed Franklin is the only option" but like....

I remember Mike even made some criteria for who the guest can be based on current evidence and like

[inner lichen]

I mean

him being the Guest in the animated series makes sense

the real question I wanna know is who he used to be

[tiny verge]

no really he can't

he's dead

[inner lichen]

back when HN2 was new, and his identity was still unsolvable

[limber ridge]

We don't know😭

[inner lichen]

The Neighbor was Guest Kid, Mayak Incident happened years ago, and the Guest was said to once be a representation of the Weather

so I guess I just

go from there

[limber ridge]

Who knows what sci-fi stuff the mayak had

[inner lichen]

Mayak having a very obvious connection to the Guest back then

even if it's indirect

[tiny verge]

like when Hello Guest became Hello Neighbor 2..?

[inner lichen]

yeah

back when it was like

y'know

outskirts era stuff

the answer probably changed a lot

[tiny verge]

how 'bout this... the only way I'm gonna even accept it as real is if it turns people into cryptids

[inner lichen]

but we had two alphas to work with

[tiny verge]

yes that's right I am THAT dedicated to cryptid bird man Guest that I am willing to go that far
as to believe Franklin is alive only if the Mayak can turn people into creatures

[inner lichen]

so assuming the animated series was not available to draw from

what is your first thought when I say these two are linked

[limber ridge]

If You can just accept it as real when it has smth you like then it means it's not that debunkable lol

And i mean yeah it would i guess

[inner lichen]

The Neighbor being the Guest is an easy answer based on Hello Guest, but I feel like that's too easy

and they wouldn't just immediately re-use that idea again

[limber ridge]

If they'd be brought back up and probably lose memories/get brainwashed to some extent

They would probably get some powers

[tiny verge]

I'm sorry but like

[limber ridge]

I do hope it ain't Franklin though

I wanna make that clear

[tiny verge]

Mayak hasn't been proven to do that

[limber ridge]

I despise Franklin Guest

[tiny verge]

and as sad as it is to admit I don't think the Guest is a cryptid anymore

don't give me false hope for a concept long dead

[inner lichen]

I mean, that seems to be the Animated Series answer, but

the alpha era stuff is probably far more interesting

we only have one direct link

[tiny verge]

y'know what

[inner lichen]

and it's Mayak

without any other context

[tiny verge]

I can't get a win with FG Guest

[limber ridge]

In the Alpha era stuff Guest was symbolism

[tiny verge]

wait so he's not real

[limber ridge]

Idk what exactly he represented in Alpha 1

[tiny verge]

basically is what that implies

[inner lichen]

He was a representation of the weather

but just because he represents something

doesn't mean he doesn't have an identity of some kind

[limber ridge]

But in 1.5 he was a representation of bad weather

[tiny verge]

I mean it does for the Thing

[inner lichen]

even if it's "Oh, he was created by Mayak" or something

[limber ridge]

I mean, Quentin encounters him in his own mind.
Who knows maybe there is also a real guest out there

[inner lichen]

I don't think Mayak's alive, right?

Like, it's obviously causing bad weather to happen, but

nobody's operating it

[tiny verge]

and considering the Guest was something Nikita also wrote I wouldn't be surprised if the Alpha Guest wasn't real either

[inner lichen]

at least it wasn't said

[limber ridge]

i agree with this lowkey.
Much rather it just being Abanante than Franklin.

[tiny verge]

even if it wasn't the same as not actually existing even as a hallucination

I'll be the first to admit

Idk who the hell Abanante is

[limber ridge]

The principal from the cartoon

[tiny verge]

what..??

[limber ridge]

In the Animated Series, the principal.

[tiny verge]

no I mean like why would she make sense as the Guest..? I get it's an origin story for the Guest but like

[limber ridge]

That visited Trinity

[inner lichen]

The giant beam of electricity illuminating from the ground in question:

[limber ridge]

Franklin
Or her
Just out of these two options, not necesarily saying they are the only options.
Bot out of these two strictly

[tiny verge]

that would ONLY work for the cartoon, which btw HN2 is meant to be a tie-in with
and I admit HN2 is dead but I really do not think they'd do that and make it not make sense for the game either

and even then ain't she still like

y'know

just another cult member..?

[limber ridge]

Kind of

[tiny verge]

THE MOST I can see her being is the cult leader

not the Guest

[limber ridge]

She is like their leader though

[tiny verge]

I don't see ANY of the members being the Guest

[limber ridge]

Probably

[tiny verge]

like not a single one

I've had them ruled out when I finally gave up the cryptid Guest hope

and I will keep them ruled out

it just has no narrative sense, I'm sorry to say it

I wouldn't even say it works just cause she visited Trinity's house

[limber ridge]

It ain't just that

I don't like it either

It's not likely at all

But between her and Franklin

[tiny verge]

I think they're both equally bad options for their own reasons

neither of them have ups

there are no pros for either of them

maybe that's just cause I'm salty about cryptid Guest being dead but even then I still won't think they have pros even after getting over it

[inner lichen]

It's still interesting how the Guest's identity changed over time

[tiny verge]

that's also just been my problem with the Guest after giving up the cryptid Guest dream, I don't like any of the options

they all are too dumb

most of them impossible, most nonsensical

and for me there's just no narrative reason for me to care about that

[inner lichen]

Hello Guest - The Neighbor
Alpha 1/1.5 - The Weather / Something related to Mayak
Alpha 2/Beta - ???
Fullgame - ???
Animated Series - Franklin Maybe?

[tiny verge]

you know what I know what to do

[inner lichen]

there is only one person who holds the answer for who the Guest fully was in the alpha era

and he said that he'd give the answer when the Animated Series reveals it

[tiny verge]

I am going to latch onto the Beta to keep my cryptid Guest dream alive no matter HOW insane and crazy it makes me look

[inner lichen]

besides Nikita, I mean

[limber ridge]

Alpha 1 wasn't the weather as well to my knowledge

Something else

[inner lichen]

wait, it was distinct?

those two eras just blend in nicely

[tiny verge]

well it makes sense

Alpha 1 was when they just left Rumble of The Mill (Hello Guest)

it's completely possible that Alpha 1 doesn't actually follow a story and was just made to give the developers new ideas

[limber ridge]

Yeah Alpha 1 didn't have the guest kid story going on though

[inner lichen]

Adam mentioned that he was given the answer a LONG time ago

and that whatever answer he would give

would be different from the animated series

[limber ridge]

It still followed yellow press

[inner lichen]

actually it did

Guest Kid was made alongside the costume seen in the attic

[tiny verge]

is Yellow Press is another name for Hello Guest..?

[inner lichen]

and if it wasn't enough, basement crime scene art was bundled alongside it

[tiny verge]

also yeah I didn't really think to mention it but uh

yeah the costume is Guest kid

[inner lichen]

which could've only been in raven brooks

[limber ridge]

It's a name for the Alpha 1/1.5 storyline

[inner lichen]

like, a full sketch of Guest Kid the character existed alongside the costume

they weren't separate ideas really

[tiny verge]

oh

[limber ridge]

Yellow press is the exageration or making stuff up

[inner lichen]

Beta also has the Guest Kid costume in the Basement

[limber ridge]

To get people to read your newspapers

As i like to call it

[inner lichen]

which kind of lines up with the basement crime scene and guest kid art being grouped together

[limber ridge]

"newspaper clickbait"

[tiny verge]

I'm just calling it the Alpha story since we were meant to get to a point where Quentin actually is in Raven Brooks

[limber ridge]

And Quentin was doing all that stuff

[inner lichen]

he would start off in Raven Brooks in the intro, then proceed into the Outskirts in some way we don't know about

[limber ridge]

Yeah fair

[inner lichen]

the only thing we do have is a Pipe to Other World object

[limber ridge]

Yellow press isn't the whole thing

[inner lichen]

which likely would've been some kind of tunnel maybe?

[tiny verge]

it seems more likely that Quentin was just trying to think about the investigation

rather than actively making things up

[limber ridge]

But i like the name so i use that

[limber ridge]

In Alpha 1.5 i think it was more like that

[inner lichen]

also, there's something else funny about this whole situation

remember the Beta's intro sequence?

[limber ridge]

I don't remember what exactly Nikita said

[inner lichen]

it had you take a picture of a Dummy, right

in the Barn

[tiny verge]

I mostly do because I love how you can see the Mayor just suspiciously wandering about with the officers staring at Quentin as if they already hate him

[inner lichen]

then the Guest breaks down the doors

okay so

guess what the Alpha 1 intro logic asks the player to do at the start......

and guess what the Cafe in Alpha 1/1.5 was internally called....

[tiny verge]

uh

what was it called

[limber ridge]

Barn?

[inner lichen]

It wants the player to take a photo of an object called

BP_Dummy

and the Guest goes into the Cafe in 1.5 to do a task

this task has "Barn" in the title

the barn sequence was planned since Alpha 1.

[limber ridge]

Well

[tiny verge]

holy damn

[inner lichen]

right after, a variable is set for the player to wake up

[limber ridge]

The thing is that Nikita wanted to use the "yellow press" storyline for the full game, it was even a thing back in Alpha 2

[inner lichen]

and the first place they have to go is the Neighbor's house

[inner lichen]

Wait, he did?

since when did he say that?

I thought it was only up to Alpha 1.5 or so, then it got scrapped entirely

[limber ridge]

I don't exactly remember where

[inner lichen]

it would line up with the Barn sequence being a thing by Alpha 1 though

[tiny verge]

well yeah story plans really do not change dramatically until you get a new idea that you feel is way better

and even then it will have the DNA of your old story too

[inner lichen]

anyways, the original intro is just

an abridged version of Beta's opening

• Take picture of Dummy
• Wake up
• Go to Neighbor House

[limber ridge]

Yeah what i wanna say is the beta probably used some leftovers

Or something like that

[tiny verge]

even the full game has DNA from the alpha story

[inner lichen]

HNVR has DNA from the Alpha Story too technically

since they have an entire segment that takes place in an alternate world

I'm pretty sure it's also internally labelled Guest World

could be wrong on that

HNVR was concepted around the Alpha 2 era

[tiny verge]

the only time where I don't think this is true is Hello Neighbor 1
specifically from the Faust lore to the father son lore

[limber ridge]

Towards the end of the game i think

[tiny verge]

but that's because the Faust was likely just a concept story rather than anything meaningful

[limber ridge]

Before that, it's Dark dream

[inner lichen]

the Demo also had this interesting

y'know

blue environment

with floating objects

which reminds me of HNVR's rendition of Guest World

[tiny verge]

oh yeah the Demo

[inner lichen]

The Outskirts is everywhere

even if it died off, it still exists

[tiny verge]

I was really confused by it when I played it

[inner lichen]

and you can't unsee it

[limber ridge]

Well the shoes had 666 on them

If that's what you mean

[tiny verge]

the Faust

as in like

Peterdevil

WAY before he was Theodore Peterson

we have the entirety of the setup story

and we MIGHT have the ending (Alpha 1)

[wanton roost]

good mornin guys in a nice ol tuesday

[tiny verge]

but beyond that we have nothing

[limber ridge]

That's why yellow press is the most peak storyline!!!

[limber ridge]

Good morning Buhrowny

[inner lichen]

unfortunate that it kinda died off before it could get finalized

they just started polishing assets during 1.5

[tiny verge]

whatever gets me closer to cryptid Guest is whatever I'll say is peak!

[inner lichen]

they made a few more new ones during Alpha 2

then the artstyle shift happened

[wanton roost]

good mornin frigid peterson

[tiny verge]

jokes aside though I hope there is something I can latch onto

[limber ridge]

Especially when like...

Both of the comics were supposed to build on it as far as i know

[inner lichen]

the end result seemed more like a game of telephone where like

the game kept changing

and so Carly had to figure out what they were doing

[limber ridge]

Search and rescue was based on something from the Alphas storyline as well

[inner lichen]

"Oh, the Neighbor is the Guest"

"Wait nevermind, we're doing Yellow Press now"

[wanton roost]

what we talkin bout

[tiny verge]

and then the cult storyline came in

[limber ridge]

Funny thing is that the second comic actually did both it seems

[tiny verge]

and then the cartoon kinda just botched the cult storyline

yes I'm saying that it botched it

[limber ridge]

They worked with both Guest Teddy and with Storm Teddy

Quite possibly whatever the guest was in Alpha 1 too

[tiny verge]

I don't even HATE the cartoon I just hate what it did to HN2

[inner lichen]

I don't think it was really involved with HN2 at all to be honest

I think the end result was just

a rush to get the game done without much direction

[tiny verge]

the reason why the Guest did not appear

is because they wanted to tie his origins into the cartoon

[inner lichen]

they probably didn't have time to come up with something after Yellow Press got killed off

or if they did, it was rough ideas

[limber ridge]

Man they really should have just contacted Nikita ngl

And used his story

[inner lichen]

the guy was burnt out

understandable that he wouldn't be available

[limber ridge]

Surely he could have at least told them a few story beats here and there

[inner lichen]

but in the end, we indirectly got a version of HN2 out of this

with HN3 using similar concepts

it isn't Yellow Press, but it's definitely similar enough to what they probably wanted

or at least it's pushing what HN2 wanted to do further

[limber ridge]

I don't see it

[inner lichen]

in terms of AI

[tiny verge]

they unironically did that because of the cartoon
so it had to get pushed and pushed, Act 2 would have to wait the whole time and I'm guessing that made the devs push off the work until they knew season 2 was coming close
then Nikita came back and they had to cancel it

[inner lichen]

the characters are exactly like the player

[limber ridge]

Ai, i guess can be

[inner lichen]

and share variables

the entire idea of the alphas was that it would adapt to what you do

[limber ridge]

A singleplayer multiplayer

[inner lichen]

and it is quite literal in HN3

with variables being shared across Player and AI

[tiny verge]

from what I can tell, this is the order of events

[inner lichen]

when in HN2, they were both kinda separated into their own things

[tiny verge]

also yeah I never actually thought about it like that

[inner lichen]

they started with AIs generating paths depending on where you went in 1.5

[tiny verge]

wait there's other NPCs in the code of 1.5..?

if so I do imagine it's unusable

[limber ridge]

To my knowledge there aren't but i don't look that often at stuff like this

[inner lichen]

not really

the only other NPC available is uhhh

the Neighbor

he has like, 3 tasks available

all related to the original opening

but it just re-uses the guest animations, so it looks weird

[limber ridge]

What is the lore of hogbor though

[limber ridge]

Okay so like, Quentin does follow fictional stuff, Nikita doesn't say he necesarily makes it all up

More like he follows rumours and i guess he gets so invested that he thinks of this fictive Raven Brooks.

While at the end he has to choose whether he uses fake stuff or real stuff for his material.

[brazen spindle]

what if we play as Aaron in hn3 and he comes back to raven books for whatever reason, or we could play as Nicky from act 3

perhaps

[limber ridge]

HN3 protagonist is a newcomer

He/she has no ties to Raven Brooks

[brazen spindle]

Ohhhh I see ok thats a little sad

[brazen spindle]

the Alphas can be thought of as Nicky over coming his deep Psychological trauma in different ways (like the fact you're killed at the end of Alpha 1 or the ending of Alpha 2 where you're just stuck with no escape)

[limber ridge]

They were talking abt HN2 alphas

[brazen spindle]

oh well for those, arent those fiction ?

[limber ridge]

I guess

Well all of HN is fiction ackshuauaelly

But not what they were talking about.

[brazen spindle]

Haha, I mean isn't it like a folklore in a sense ?

or a dream like state like in Act 3 of hn1

[limber ridge]

It's video games

So fiction inherently

[limber ridge]

But part of it is

Then there's probably stuff that fully happens

Like HN1 act 1

[brazen spindle]

yes I know that, I meant fiction in the game world

[limber ridge]

Actuallee

[brazen spindle]

well with Hn1 act 1 and 2 I kinda just think of it all as from the prospective of a 13 year old over imaginative kid. I have to remember that when looking through Hello Neighbor lore

[brazen spindle]

where does that show up again ?

[shell gull]

Possibly though it more so depends on our knowledge of how far back The Guest we see in game has existed for.

[eager island]

act 1 is real events
act 2 is twisted in childs mind though

[limber ridge]

Hn2 Alpha 1

[limber ridge]

The books are more like the perspective of a kid

Or the memory of an adult due to Hello neighbor diaries.

[onyx crow]

What happened to Quentin?

[neat phoenix]

The Guest ate him.
Tottaly.

[onyx crow]

Nah

Quentin has gone through the guest area in HN2

So it can’t be true

[limber ridge]

Got captured by cult, saved by guest

Whatever forest area was about

[onyx crow]

No

[limber ridge]

Now he is just in limbo

[vagrant igloo]

kidnapped by cult

[onyx crow]

I’m pretty sure this happened:

[neat phoenix]

jk

[vagrant igloo]

anything past that is mostly guessing since the layout v2 video isn't technically canon
but we know he escapes because he explores the forest afterwards

[onyx crow]

After he was hugged by Mia and Diana he gets jumped by the cult

Then he is trapped and the cult would try to sacrifice him to the guest

But he escapes

[vagrant igloo]

i mean

the whole cult thing
happens before the forest

so

[onyx crow]

And gets arrested by the police since a cop (I don’t remember his name) is part of the cult

[vagrant igloo]

where did you get this lore from dude

[onyx crow]

My mind when I’m sleeping

Cuz for some reason

[vagrant igloo]

🥲

[onyx crow]

I figure out stuff about the lore way easier when I’m sleeping

[onyx crow]

I think the cop’s name is Lenny?

I don’t remember

[vagrant igloo]

Leslie

[onyx crow]

I knew it was something with L and e

[jade cargo]

Does this mean that one is The Guest in the AS; that the Crowman in the forest of HN2 is a Raven; or that The Guest killed a Raven in HN2?

[brazen spindle]

perhaps its a mistake on the villagers part, an area where the folklore got mixed up, mixed up with crows and ravens which is simple enough to do

[vagrant igloo]

it's not the guest

they wouldn't reveal him in a twitter post

[limber ridge]

You never know with these things, not like tB had the best marketing thus far.

But probably not the guest

[dense raven]

y'all think they're gonna reconcile

honestly I really hope they'll visit rotten core that'd be aura

[limber ridge]

Probably

They either already have by now, or they all went in the park kind of by themselves and gradually they reconcile.
Whatever the case i can't really see them not make up by the end of the show.
Especially since they end up in the mayak in the last 2 eps, i'd say this is when they do.

[jade cargo]

Then it's strange they both have that medallon

[limber ridge]

Maybe the Guest will kill the leader and steal his stuff

[jade cargo]

Ooooh, and that may be that other teaser we got

[limber ridge]

Okay but how does the Guest get his sweater🧐

[dense raven]

it's an old one Theodore had sewn for him by either Diane or someone else and Guest took it for himself because he just hates that guy he takes what we don't deserve

[novel harness]

fact: in books they are married

[wanton roost]

hmmm

maybe its the crowface thats beak got off

but maybe whoever killed the leader is theo so

its so confusing guest taking everyone out but neighbor is literally killing those crowfaces

[tiny verge]

tbh that single teaser from months ago made me requestion everything I thought I knew about the Guest

[wanton roost]

status is literally unknown rn

we were all sure it was guest until that new teaser

i note that theres still pink backgrouund so maybe before everyone came they were doing some sort of ritual and it worked

[tiny verge]

oh no don't get me wrong I am gonna say it's 50/50 now that there's a new teaser

[wanton roost]

yepp

[tiny verge]

but still I've opted to agree that I know nothing about the Guest until we have a direct confirmation

also especially since my dreams of cyrptid Guest was brutally slashed to death

[wanton roost]

maybe the cult leader will like tell them about the guest cuz a leader knows more than just ordinary members i mean we describe him as a prophet after all so leader may be giving us like answers

[tiny verge]

them*, we don't know their identity at all still

[tiny verge]

also I'm not sure what their deal is tbh

I honestly didn't think there was a specific leader until now

[wanton roost]

i mean i think there was according to mike he mentioned the hn2 cultist portrait and only one cultist was wearing the medallion while others havent

[tiny verge]

I meant before the teaser dropped

[glacial whale]

What happened to that one dude that would put very long essays on the lore in here? I haven’t opened the chat to a wall of text in a while

[tiny verge]

not sure tbh

yeah they're not in the server anymore

[tiny verge]

y'know what since cryptid Guest was basically shot and killed as an idea I kinda want to keep the concept alive in my own fan projects

[limber ridge]

Well Browny's saying that it was a thing before the teaser dropped, take a look at the HN2 portrait from the museum, one of them has a medalion and the others are basic

[limber ridge]

I'd use she for them If anything ngl

But we've no idea yet

[limber ridge]

Don't make me cry

[wanton roost]

:((

[wanton roost]

mmm whyy any ideas

[limber ridge]

Because crowface prophetᵀᴹ is Abanante possibly in my opinion

She acts like the cult leader thus far

[wanton roost]

nah shes next to the prophet

[limber ridge]

Reset day implied it

But it wasn't yet confirmed

But probably

I wonder if the parents of that one kid're supposed to be someone we recognise

His surname was Reddy iirc.
Can't remember his name though but for some reason "vinegar" pops up in my head when i try to remember it.

It was Vinod!

So yeah i wonder if he's supposed to be the kid of someone.
Probably not though.

[unkempt sleet]

i dont think Vinod's parents were mentioned at all

[limber ridge]

There was something

I don't remember that much...

I can only remember small details that don't mean much probably

[alpine crystal]

The more I think about it, the more the hope is still remaining.

I like to think Aaron and Mya is a parallel to Caine and Abel from bible

[near cosmos]

Pls stop watching tadc you'll be a mentally stable person again/jjj

[alpine crystal]

It is not related to tadc

[near cosmos]

Ik lol

[ripe berry]

Alex... when I get you...

so uh
here's how I say to treat WtRB:
fill in the blanks
basically any information that does not contradict the canon timeline can be carried over

[ripe berry]

can we please agree to not let this become like the FNaf Books though

don't just ignore WtRB if it contradicts some theory or only use the bits that support your theory

[frozen marten]

Fair enough dude, also a point that I wanted to add on is how it does give us expansions on information and things like dates that can be used to set up a better timeline

[marsh idol]

yk one thing i was confused was how HUGE theo was next to literally his whole family

[frozen marten]

He is just built different plus could be a mix of the luck device he used

[marsh idol]

the luck devices make him bigger

[frozen marten]

Some genetics were a part of that

[marsh idol]

?

[frozen marten]

If you look at Roger peterson aka Mr. Peterson's dad, he was also pretty big too

[frozen marten]

Picture for reference

[marsh idol]

he has an average height

i really do not think the luck devices affect the human body

they just manipulate/redirect the weather

peterson wasnt even that big compared to his wife in previous medias

might be inconsistent size

[frozen marten]

Maybe but it might be a mix of lots of different stuff

[signal root]

i feel like they changed his size a lot, i think they made him bigger for the show, to make him more scary

[marsh idol]

like what i may ask?

[marsh idol]

maybe

[signal root]

because in original HN he was the same size as adult nicky

[marsh idol]

ye i noticed

[signal root]

same with all the other games

except the rescue squad ones

[frozen marten]

The protagonists are children so perspectives, also to differentiate from the other characters, genetics, luck devices, the purple lighting, and some more that I probably forgot about.

[marsh idol]

well the perspective for those would be limited to secret neighbor

and for the show, well i mean this is a flashback but i guess so

[frozen marten]

Do you have any other theories?

[limber ridge]

I mean wtrb still is supposed to explain stuff about mayak, i think that will still be useful

To some extent at least

Also does this mean perspective can just explain everything by itself?

Because really there's not much in the books and games that require time loops or stuff other than perspective.
Maybe we'll see how it is with the movie.

[potent harness]

The scaling in WTRB is just a bit janky at times

They look more properly scaled in these shots

[limber ridge]

Aaron's like 5'1 or 5'5 depending on which book you use lol

So that makes Teddy 10 foot in the AS

Yes i'm gonna ignore the images right above me show a more proper scaling

[alpine crystal]

AS Theodore is a giant

[alpine crystal]

Damn

[tiny verge]

I won't lie it is confusing to me as well

at first I thought it was a carry over from HN2

since Elena, who made that design, would often depict Peterson as a big strong man

but now that I'm remembering Quentin wasn't far off from Peterson's height in HN2 so Idk what happened

[dense raven]

Perspective theory found dead in peppermint vat /j

[dense raven]

haha... f-"fill in the blanks"?

no, no... No, you can't- you can't do this to me! I can't go back! No NOOO

[dense raven]

jokes aside it's probably the best way to go about this

especially given how some bits of WtRB contradictions aren't even "lore-tied" and are just part of the medium sort of

like Trinity being new in town, that's just to make exposition easier

[limber ridge]

More like time loop theory

With AS basically out of the picture the only things that really need to be canon in the same universe is books and games

And those can work under perspective easily

(and movie i guess)

[dense raven]

to be fair that single statement kinda demolishes any in-universe explanation

because it's just continuity shenanigans apparently

crazy

[unkempt sleet]

Why are we putting books in the same plate as the games again

[limber ridge]

It's canon in the same universe no

[unkempt sleet]

i dont think RD is gonna be fitting with Nikita's grounded HN3

[limber ridge]

So wait

[dense raven]

can't we just get our CIA connections to cover up Reset Day and wipe all its mentions from the internet

[unkempt sleet]

I always felt like the most safest and sense making option is just keeping the respective medias in the same continuity while theyre all still being canon tbh

Books, Show and Games

[limber ridge]

I'm a little lost here.
Do we take that statement as meaning there's no in universe explanation or as in "it doesn't fit 1:1"

[dense raven]

what does "the right decisions within the medium itself" even mean

[unkempt sleet]

it means what i said 💃 Alex is just saying for example they might change things because it works better in an animated series

than it does in a book or a game

or vice versa

[limber ridge]

Cartoon changes stuff for like pacing and action and that stuff.
Games for interactive elements.
Books for more psychological impact.
At least how i understand

[unkempt sleet]

yea

[limber ridge]

I took that as being a justification for mayak explaining stuff in universe

Rather than the full thing

[limber ridge]

Isn't it just for AS

Yeah he says AS is the standalone thing

[unkempt sleet]

the first sentence is about AS yea

the second one is generally talking about linear media

[limber ridge]

Ah

[unkempt sleet]

also this other message i found reinforces the same thing lol

[limber ridge]

I mean there's still gotta be a in-universe explanation

Or at least Something connected to mayak

[tiny verge]

I really feel like they could've made things a bit more obvious tbh

cause the previous statement from a while back of "everything is canon just not in the way you think" only causes more confusion than necessary

I think they should've just said this from the get go instead

[unkempt sleet]

I think it was obvious if you just look at the media itself, but the old lore new lore talk back then, Alex's really weird wordings and Nikita's vague statements have just confused our minds a lot i think

[limber ridge]

Mayak still's connected

And also there was still talk about perspectives...

[tiny verge]

I don't think perspectives is dead

I just think we were 100% wrong about the entire thing to begin with

[limber ridge]

And HN is a Little different from doing timelines

[limber ridge]

Wdym

In what way

[tiny verge]

about some of their statements before

[unkempt sleet]

tbh thats a really vague statement again

[limber ridge]

That is whatever

It's an addition

[limber ridge]

But this

[ripe berry]

welcome back to the Pit!

[unkempt sleet]

Mike the lore hi