lore-discussion

[charred wharf]

🤔

[untold lagoon]

Janusz model so good

[dusty trench]

Janusz is goated

Hmmm, gambling in someone’s basement, how rude of a neighbor to do.

Didn’t you see the locks and boards

Even the key card

[onyx crow]

Yea

But

I had a crowbar

And used HN3 logic

[dusty trench]

You just wanted to say hello huh

[onyx crow]

So I got 5 crowbars

And I managed to break down the door

[dusty trench]

Guess you’re stuck down there now

[limber ridge]

What did you gamble on though?

[dreamy sluice]

if you look closely there is a crow in front of diane's face

this is because she is the guest

[charred wharf]

it's all in on red keys 🔥

[onyx crow]

The old Vandal masks that’s why they have new ones

[dusty trench]

It’s rare

[onyx crow]

CUZ SHE’S DEAD

[charred wharf]

collectors items

[dusty trench]

No

She’s the Guest

[charred wharf]

I mean Mya's dead too

[dusty trench]

In secret

[onyx crow]

No dawg

[dusty trench]

Like a secret neighbor

[onyx crow]

The guest is male

[dusty trench]

No

Guest is it

The identity

Is Diane

[limber ridge]

Ah yes, closely.

[dusty trench]

A Female

Confirmed

[charred wharf]

Was it even confirmed anywhere??

[limber ridge]

Nikita referenced him as a he iirc

[charred wharf]

I was so sure Guest didn't have anything specified

[onyx crow]

I’m gonna ship the guest with the neighbour then… (;

[limber ridge]

Not sure about Alex

[dusty trench]

Raven man, crow man transformation.

Just those

Oh

[charred wharf]

ahh, he's genderfluid /j

[dusty trench]

And Nikita too

[charred wharf]

I see

[onyx crow]

MAN IT’S A MALE

[dusty trench]

No

Trust

[charred wharf]

It's a humanoid crow 😭

👻 woo

[limber ridge]

This for example

[charred wharf]

Oh yeah

I swear I saw them refer to guest as an It somewhere

[onyx crow]

I’ve read it

[charred wharf]

might be misremembering

[limber ridge]

Alex's Guest idk if was specified

[onyx crow]

Guys

[limber ridge]

Like the HN2 and AS

[dusty trench]

Yea I’m pretty sure many times I think

[dreamy sluice]

blink and you miss it

[onyx crow]

Crazy plot twist would be

If

[dusty trench]

Even calling it a creature

[charred wharf]

I mean, that's what it is 😭

[limber ridge]

He was called a creature in HG description iirc, if that helps

[dusty trench]

But still, ya know

[charred wharf]

ya!

[limber ridge]

No.
Unknown

Besides

[onyx crow]

We are captured by the guest then a door opens and the man with the hat comes out and knocks us out with a crowbar then kills us

[charred wharf]

I still like to think of it as a creature 👀 nothing will change my mind

[dusty trench]

I believe they are referring to Guest as in the characters

[limber ridge]

Him having the pronoun of He doesn't make him human necessarily

[charred wharf]

..when did I say that 😭

[limber ridge]

Mandela effect

[onyx crow]

This is NOT human

Actually now that I think about it it is

[limber ridge]

(this is indeed human)

Or uhh idk

[onyx crow]

Also

Here’s an obvious question

[limber ridge]

Might not be... Actually no I'm pretty sure Nikita confirmed or at least implied otherwise

[onyx crow]

How does the guest have an Apple Watch and why does it need it?!

[vagrant igloo]

no

[dusty trench]

Even Alex

[limber ridge]

Alex definitely has.

[vagrant igloo]

no one confirmed he wasn't human
it was only confirmed he wasn't supernatural

[limber ridge]

Yeah he hasn't confirmed

[vagrant igloo]

he could easily be some in universe creature

[dusty trench]

Implied, key word

[onyx crow]

Guys

Let’s ask the obvious question

[dusty trench]

COULD, key word

[onyx crow]

WHY DOES HE HAS AN APPLE WATCH AND WHY DOES HE NEED IT?!

[charred wharf]

to look swag

[vagrant igloo]

because

[vagrant igloo]

he is a homie

[charred wharf]

🌞

wrong. emoji

😎 there

[dusty trench]

Guest is a fashion mud

[onyx crow]

Nah

[limber ridge]

Hahah mud

[dreamy sluice]

tell time
also, doesn't raven brooks have it's own local tech

[vagrant igloo]

also
since he wears it on his right wrist
does that mean the guest is left handed

[onyx crow]

I’m pretty sure he has it to know when it’s night

[vagrant igloo]

or is he just repellious

[dusty trench]

“You good mud”

[onyx crow]

Cuz he can’t see anything

[charred wharf]

and how do you know

[dreamy sluice]

i mean, he wears the glove on the left hadn too

[charred wharf]

🤔

[vagrant igloo]

he's always looking up

[dusty trench]

Guest can

[dusty trench]

No

Beak is

[dreamy sluice]

perhaps it's fully practical, the glove

[onyx crow]

The opening of the beak?

Damn I feel bad for whoever is the guest

[vagrant igloo]

breh
if the beak was on top of his head then he can never see

[onyx crow]

They’re breaking they’re neck

[dusty trench]

No, actually

[limber ridge]

Yes he can.

Through the sweater

[vagrant igloo]

his eyes would be covered by the base of the beak

the beak goes down into the hoodie a bit

[limber ridge]

I suppose

[charred wharf]

the beak could be a part of the sweater

[limber ridge]

Him and Signed definitely got smth going down

[charred wharf]

it doesn't have to specifically cover eyes

[dusty trench]

How far down do you suggest?

[onyx crow]

No it isn’t

Guys

The only reason is magic

The sweater has no opening

[limber ridge]

Perhaps the sweater is a part of him.

[charred wharf]

could you elaborate on why you think that?

[vagrant igloo]

not far
but if his eyes weren't covered then that means his head is really short

[charred wharf]

😨

[onyx crow]

Do you remember the guest ending in p3?

[charred wharf]

No 😭😭

[dreamy sluice]

have you seen how fella stands

[dusty trench]

Well, maybe. Guest is kinda, hunched a bit. But still.

[charred wharf]

I barely remember anything from that game

[onyx crow]

Issac is going on a ride and the guest takes off the beak

[vagrant igloo]

my guy

[onyx crow]

And it cuts to black

[vagrant igloo]

how does that help him see

[limber ridge]

Bruh

[dreamy sluice]

fella doesn't see with the eyes

[limber ridge]

What are we doing

[dusty trench]

Beak doesn’t have to cover the face

[dreamy sluice]

guy runs on all fours staring at the ground

clearly doesn't need those peepers

[limber ridge]

He hunches so that he gets to see through the sweater

[dusty trench]

Although

[dreamy sluice]

those dead moose noises it makes are echolocation

[charred wharf]

The thing with some kinds of sweaters is you can add things onto it so you can put things on and off them, I forgot the name of it

[dusty trench]

Guest could have some really good hearing if so.

Either way, Guest would still have good hearing I suppose

[onyx crow]

That might be truth cuz he has a damn Apple Watch

Like I can barely get a normal watch

[vagrant igloo]

if you look top down his head is almost perfectly round
if he was looking through the beak then he would have a chin or jawline or anything to show the shape of a head.
if he was looking straight and the beak was on top of his head, then we would see a chin or smth in the sweater, but we don't
he obviously doesn't have a human head
that or his head is shaped like megamind's

[charred wharf]

I was thinking of a rip-tape (I think that's the name?)

[onyx crow]

And this caveman who’s living in the Forest has an Apple Watch

[dreamy sluice]

doesn't raven brooks have its own local tech

golden apple watch

[onyx crow]

Nah

[vagrant igloo]

it's not apple nor a smart watch

[charred wharf]

He could've found it in a trash or smth idk

[vagrant igloo]

it's just a digital watch

[onyx crow]

It is

[dreamy sluice]

you think nicky is the guest, i don't trust your judgement

[limber ridge]

The game already has a strange kinda of artstyle. Why couldn't he have an interesting head I cannot see.

[dreamy sluice]

i need somebody like dark or frigid to inform me

[vagrant igloo]

yeah that's not a smart watch
that's just a digital watch

[limber ridge]

They don't really think Nicky is the Guest now I think

[charred wharf]

I mean, were talking about the same character who has an unrealistic arm length 😭

[onyx crow]

How does he even have money?”

[dusty trench]

Exactly, even vandals

[dreamy sluice]

still

[charred wharf]

I don't think they needed the render the head

[dusty trench]

Hmm

Interesting head shape

[charred wharf]

the first one is a tiny bit flatter than the Hn3 one's tbh??

or I think so, unsure

[vagrant igloo]

who knows

[dusty trench]

A tiny bit

[dreamy sluice]

what's that first image from?

[vagrant igloo]

he prob stole some

or stole the watch

[dusty trench]

Reset day

[dusty trench]

That fits

[dreamy sluice]

no, i know it's a book

[charred wharf]

Yeah, I think Reset's Day is more of a birdlike shape unlike HN3's

[dreamy sluice]

that's mb for being vague

i mean like specifically, cause i haven't read reset day

[vagrant igloo]

guys i have the same watch as the guest

[dusty trench]

Yea, but still. That doesn’t mean it just doesn’t matter.

[limber ridge]

Looks like that yeah.
Could be some wonky angle.

[dreamy sluice]

do you have a hole where you drops people you kidnap and kill

[vagrant igloo]

uh

possibly

why do you ask

[limber ridge]

Yeah I'm pretty sure in HN3 the Guest doesn't even represent a bird.

Like he's not supposed to.

[charred wharf]

Honestly, if the beak is infact a prop I guesssss it could go over the head and cause that shape to stand out like that?

[dusty trench]

Hmm

[charred wharf]

hm

[dusty trench]

In what way do you suggest

[limber ridge]

Ain't the beak a prop anyway.
I mean, it's kinda metallic. You can work your way around this and say it's a cybernetic or smth

[limber ridge]

I just give the benefit of the doubt for the cryptid ppl

And say he could have just meant the Guest doesn't represent a crow

[dusty trench]

I didn’t know we were arguing that?

[charred wharf]

The word crow is in quotations, which wasn't needed for the sentence right?

[dreamy sluice]

yes, the guest is a this thing that i don't know what it is because i haven't read reset day

omg the guest is mothman

[dawn relic]

his beak is metal, the ingame one just doesnt use the metallic texture well. also you can see where the paint chips off on the edges and theres obv string holding it together

[dusty trench]

Hmm

[limber ridge]

Mothman you say...

[dreamy sluice]

I think they're like tension cords rather than string

[charred wharf]

I have a talent for making people misunderstand what I say and that is on me 😭

[limber ridge]

In bad blood, Aaron draws a creepy mothman that stands around in a ruined town he just destroyed...

[dusty trench]

That can be me sometimes lol

[dreamy sluice]

guy.s..... aaron is guest.... forest dweller is.... fursnona

[limber ridge]

Okay so wait what were you talking abt then

I'm confused

[dreamy sluice]

is it actually mothman

[charred wharf]

Oh wait, is Reset Day Guest a full on replica of it or is it just a speculation on how people think it looks like?

[limber ridge]

The Guest or the drawing of Aaron?

[charred wharf]

Im sorry if I ask stupid things I didn't read RD yet 😭

[dreamy sluice]

whatever this is

[charred wharf]

Like uhhh people of Raven Brooks, since it looks engraved

[limber ridge]

Given that when Piper sees the Guest she doesn't really spot out any differences, probably how he looks

[charred wharf]

Since i don't think Guest would just stand still for someone to engrave it on a piece of wood

[limber ridge]

She even mentions feathers sticking it and such

[charred wharf]

hm

[limber ridge]

That's true.

Who knows, maybe he just considered his lovely cult members earned the right to

Perpetualize him or smth.

[dreamy sluice]

:( nobody is telling me if this is mothman or the guest or what :(

[limber ridge]

It's the Guest.

A carving of the guest

[dreamy sluice]

thank you

[charred wharf]

Or could be parts of what people could've seen? and then put together I guess

[dreamy sluice]

i appreciate it

[limber ridge]

I don't know if we see mothman

I don't have the book sadly

[dreamy sluice]

okay so forest dweller is that carving but shaved a little bit

[charred wharf]

that's me

trust

[limber ridge]

I'll weep about this through my whole life span.

[charred wharf]

Which book? I could check

[limber ridge]

Bad blood is where Aaron draws the mothman

[dusty trench]

Maybe can tie to metaphorical language in a way. Like sure there can be feathers, but also even the wood sticks and such on HN3 Guest can tie to the illusionist thing I mentioned. Reset Day Guest is almost like, worn down. Smokey smell, all crooked and such, described in weird ways.

[charred wharf]

Alr let me see

[dusty trench]

Lemme get it

[limber ridge]

It was fairly early on iirc

[dusty trench]

Hold on

[charred wharf]

Oh there is a picture!

[dreamy sluice]

went to the barber

[limber ridge]

Really now?

[limber ridge]

Of the mothman?

[charred wharf]

Yep

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah!!!

Thank you sm

[dreamy sluice]

oh wow

aaron's talented

[dusty trench]

Okay nvm

[charred wharf]

👀

[dusty trench]

They got it

[charred wharf]

Im sorry Dark

[dreamy sluice]

if only he wasn't scarred so bad he turned three years old in hn2

[limber ridge]

Yeah Enzo even suggested they should make a comic book

[dusty trench]

There’s no problem to be had, your good

[dawn relic]

there has to be a reason for the metal guest beak besides mask right?

[dusty trench]

Comic huh

[dreamy sluice]

real beak was cut off at the barber shop

same time he had all those feathers shaved down

[dusty trench]

Dammit

[charred wharf]

😭

[limber ridge]

Aaron and Enzo made GN1 and 2 no way !1!1!1

Tsk tsk tsk

[charred wharf]

Were you sending the SN things again?

[dusty trench]

Comics

[charred wharf]

I see they're still on your mind

[dreamy sluice]

the sticks in guy's sweater in hn3 aren't sticks, they're this one's feathers

[dusty trench]

It’s a pattern

[charred wharf]

Weren't they novels?

oh wait

Im stupid

😭😭

[limber ridge]

Let's be fr

We all are

[dawn relic]

what if the guest uses the metal beak to like impale things since its kinda like a big sword

[limber ridge]

Not for kids lol

[charred wharf]

Novels are just longer comics but uh

[limber ridge]

For kids he takes it off

[dusty trench]

And Or, have dinner

[charred wharf]

same thing ig 😭

[dawn relic]

but nikita said guest kills right?

[charred wharf]

sometimes I put my entire face in soup, so he might just like eating like that

[limber ridge]

The lack of animals in RB by HN3 is depressing ngl

[dusty trench]

Was but not in a way we expect kinda

[charred wharf]

dude i'd love to see wildlife in there, it adds onto world building imo

[limber ridge]

The residents just have to live on crows now 💔

[ripe berry]

Hey chat, what's the disc?

[limber ridge]

I could never imagine life without pork

[charred wharf]

"Hey dad, what's for dinner?"

[dusty trench]

Guest

Also wassup

[charred wharf]

also a small mention of mothman

[ripe berry]

scrolling through chat rn

[dawn relic]

what if theres a lore reason they only eat cake bananas and energy drinks in RB for hn3

[limber ridge]

The "no, was a killer" part probably means that he was a killer even from prototype 3 as opposed to just being a killer "now" like Kevin says suggested

[wanton roost]

I don't think so idk

[limber ridge]

But the not in a way we think part... That's interesting

[charred wharf]

They're forcing us to think

😔

cruelty /j

[dusty trench]

Hmm, idk

Guest is planning something

With those bodies

[charred wharf]

He's collecting food for winter he's gonna hibernate

trust

[dusty trench]

lol

I wonder too

Even the HN2 jumpscare

[limber ridge]

What about it and which one?

[dusty trench]

When Guest beaks your face

[limber ridge]

It's a friendly peck

[dusty trench]

Guest is truly, our hero..

Lemme stop

[limber ridge]

Let's wait for Mike to catch up

[ripe berry]

caught up

[charred wharf]

I don't understand what he was trying to achieve with this, Does he just grab Quentins head with it to drag him away??

Since well, Quentin doesn't seem to suffer much through that

[dusty trench]

Rip his head off

[charred wharf]

typical bird behavior I see

[limber ridge]

Guest is just a sadist.

[ripe berry]

I mean
the Guest takes what people don't deserve
and if it decides a person doesn't deserve their life...

[charred wharf]

Im sure that's not what HN3 Guest does?

unsure tho

[charred wharf]

a game of Cat(Bird, actually) and a mouse ig 😭

[limber ridge]

Well, it is a different Guest so yeah.

[ripe berry]

yeah
there's at least 3 different Guests rn
HN2 Guest
NeighborLikeVisitor (GN2 Ending Theodore/Guest)
HN3 Guest

[charred wharf]

Reset Day Guest?

unsure if he counts

[limber ridge]

That's GN2 end guest

[ripe berry]

potentially the same as either HN2 Guest or NeighborLikeVisitor

[charred wharf]

ohhh okay

[dusty trench]

Why wouldn’t that count

[limber ridge]

They're likely the same

Wait wait wait

What about VR?

[charred wharf]

Listen, I am unsure about anything incase im blamed that I was wrong and spreading misinformation

[limber ridge]

Is that one the same as HN2 and AS?

Or is that one just the concept of the Guest?

Like the legend, mindset, whatever

[dusty trench]

Okay 😂

[dusty trench]

Likely

[ripe berry]

these are the ones that are most likely not the same
HN2 Guest is seen at the same time as Ted
HN3 Guest and HN3 Ted have wildly different proportions so they can't be the same
Nikita doesn't know HN2 Guest Lore therefore HN3 Guest can't be HN2 Guest

[dusty trench]

Well, about that last part. While I think HN3 Guest is likely dif, doesn’t mean ideas and similarities overtime. But still, it shows a ton.

[limber ridge]

VR also kinda has some problems that disqualify it from being AS Guest, it appears in a point of time that should be before AS Guest (who is in S3 of AS)

But those can be worked around

Through time loops

[charred wharf]

Im sure we didn't get to see the Guest in AS yet (including teasers)

[limber ridge]

Memory

[charred wharf]

I swear, if it looks just like the cultists im gonna be sad

[limber ridge]

There's that one in the tunnels that could be the Guest

He has like different pants and shoes or smth

[ripe berry]

by technicality SN Guest is a separate Guest because it's imagination rather then real

[charred wharf]

I remember when people went a bit insane over the Shoes 😭

it was the YT teaser right?

[limber ridge]

Would that make it Urban legend/mindset/symbol Guest?

[limber ridge]

Yes

[charred wharf]

Okay, so if it's the Guest I am gonna assume it doesn't exactly like the cultists

[dusty trench]

Imagination in what way?

[limber ridge]

Yeah me personally I'm not too sure on that as we have already had times when we thought a character is the guest but turned out not to be.

[charred wharf]

The kids imagine them rescuing Nicky, and the thing is posing as the Neighbor class (?)

[charred wharf]

that's true

[charred wharf]

So that technically isn't the Guest directly

[dusty trench]

There’s more to be had to that, but still

[ripe berry]

SN is memory/imagination stuff so you can't really call any version of a Neighbor Class that actual character (especially since they turn into the Thing upon death, meaning it's more likely what the kids fear being superimposed onto memories of a character)

[dusty trench]

It’s a more in general depiction, and characters view it as they mostly cause that’s when they were most prominent.

[dusty trench]

That doesn’t go against what I said

[limber ridge]

Would be interesting if different neighbour classes are different fears of different kid classes.

[dusty trench]

I jus added on

[charred wharf]

I feel like they need to have shared fears so they can imagine this vividly

[ripe berry]

(like Butcher, Clown, and Ghost are all likely fears being superimposed onto Peterson. It's possible SN Guest is a mix of HN2 Guest and NeighborLikeVisitor)

[charred wharf]

you know, like you're telling a scary story and not add up to the descriptions

and even if you describe it, people can see it differently?

[dusty trench]

Also the impact in town tales, yes. Tying that to Theo’s insanity. Yes. And in this case, is related to the characters in game. Yes.

[dusty trench]

Everyone has their own mindset and perspective.

[ripe berry]

((infact with Butcher and Clown we know that for a fact because Trinity in WtRB Ep. 2's Intro straight up has a nightmare with those neighbor classes))

[charred wharf]

im trying to decipher the wording because it's like 9 PM and im tired

[dusty trench]

Even then, it adds onto what we just said.

[dusty trench]

👆

[ripe berry]

but still, in terms of confirmed different versions of the Guest there's only 3 that explicitly aren't the same
any other Guest may or may not be one of the pre-existing Guests
(Even though Alex said there's only one Guest that is physically impossible since the Guest isn't supernatural)
SN Guest can be an interpretation of HN2 Guest
HNVR Guest could be HN2 Guest due to time loop stuff
RD Guest could be NeighborLikeVisitor or HN2 Guest
the Guest throughout the rest of GN2 (before NeighborLikeVisitor) might be HN2 Guest

[dusty trench]

I wouldn’t say, just time loops specifically.

[limber ridge]

Only one Guest could have meant only one at a time or different perspectives of the character, and different Guests through time loops also

[dusty trench]

It can be all of those views

[limber ridge]

Ehh.
What's the point of there being multiple throughout the time loop line if there's also different views on who he is, especially if we only see like 3-4 or those.

[dusty trench]

That’s not too what I mean per se

[limber ridge]

Did you mean a mix of time loops and perspectives?

[dusty trench]

Yes in a way, but I feel we can explain it better. Like loops plays a part in the story, not just in the sci fi sense but other ways too.

[limber ridge]

Like mental stuff too, I think I understand.

[dusty trench]

Yea

Even symbolism and metaphorical stuff too

Even the meta stuff

These are just different concepts and views in story we can work with to getting a bigger picture.

And it all leads to the world, nature, characters, and stuff in the world that drive the story’s forward for a bigger narrative.

[eager island]

repost

[dusty trench]

Pretty cool stuff

What if Tasty Bakery was just rebranded, as Gerda did work there. Or maybe was spin off thing for GA Corp.

[eager island]

i dont think tasty bakery is GA related

hn3 RB is kinda has 3 era

pre-GA (1800s-1979[?])
GA (1980-X)
post-GA (2028)

[dusty trench]

Maybe funded just for the GAAP reopening and or festival stuff, maybe Gerda had her food sold at GAAP, later on shut down but bought out by GA Corp.

[ripe berry]

may I point out Janusz has a ring on which implies he could've been married at some point

[dusty trench]

As that’s the only use I guess could make out of TB, and seems likely as GA is expanding too.

[eager island]

pre-GA: old version of the town:
local tradition (festivals), small businesses like TB
community centered structure no corporate dominance yet

1979 seems to be last "normal" year

[dusty trench]

Yea likely, even tho stuff started to kinda rise before it was more like a small beginning I guess for what GA would become.

[ripe berry]

1980 would be when the Golden Apple Corp starts expanding from the local candy company of the 1950s to Raven Brooks Sensation by 1991

[dusty trench]

Yes likely

Big in town and out

Mostly in town

As Aaron is surprised Nicky hasn’t had a GA, also buildboards seen in act 3 in H&S aswell. Even the inventors club stuff.

[ripe berry]

they take control of the town festival
they start using it's primary statue as a secondary (and by 1996 seemingly primary) mascot for their company

[eager island]

janusz stereotype has a wife named Grazyna

[dusty trench]

lol, we need this in game

[dusty trench]

Heh, ring huh…

[ripe berry]

and this fits with how Nikita wants Raven Brooks to feel in HN3 in general

at least I think it does

lemme double check

this is what I think I'm thinking about

[dusty trench]

Heh, nostalgic, #lore-discussion message

[dusty trench]

Literally

[ripe berry]

even though this is about RBO I'd assume HN3 is meant to still have the same vibe RBO was aiming for

[dusty trench]

Nikita (iirc) said it’s a bit different kinda ish, but you can still see those elements in game and even in devlogs anyways. I guess it’s like, expanded upon. Meant to work better for core story stuff, and such stuff centered around it. All falling to the same thing kinda in dif ways, like a loop.

[ripe berry]

I mean he still says things like HN3's characters are meant to ahcieve a fading memory kinda effect so the same idea still exists at the core of HN3 to some degree
#hn3-discussion message

[dusty trench]

Exactly

[eager island]

also mike

have you figured out about the new symbols on historians model

[ripe berry]

wait this and reversed versions aren't all? (or am I misremembering)

[ripe berry]

Devlog 2 is also partly about the Atmosphere HN3's meant to invoke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqDRLbwvqPs

[ripe berry]

I mean at this point I can just send this image and quickly cross reference any time they pop up

[eager island]

seems like it

i will try to create a document outlining what we currently know (and possible things) about all hn3 characters before the pre-alpha release

[ripe berry]

all of the elder futhark runes the Historian's model has that we can see (image is unedited outside of cropping to only show the runes)

[untold lagoon]

Hi

[ripe berry]

hello

[ripe berry]

some of the runes seem to be flipped

(not just some being upside down but also some reversed)

[eager island]

it changes thes meanings doesnt it

[ripe berry]

I'd guess so

[steady escarp]

@eager island I know I asked you this before, but you’re better at analyzing than i am.

Since “forest dweller” or guest kills, how would you yourself interpret aaron turning into some sort of killer or serial killer for what reason?

[eager island]

he does it because he "failed" as a kid or lost everything, becoming this myth is the only way he can rewrite his past. the only way the world listens when he moves, when he takes them, when he decides who lives or dies, its the only way he survives and makes them fear what he has become

[i think ive used so many only ways]

[steady escarp]

Not just insanity but something else possibly?

[eager island]

identity vacuum

[ripe berry]

good ol' "I make bad things happen"

[dusty trench]

Exactly

[dusty trench]

These tie to what I’ve been bringing up, all coming full circle

[dusty trench]

No longer himself even after he risked his life previously, as just a child. So much pressure around him, everyone and everything centering around him for much different reasons, he even left his father, he would still come to consumption of sacrificing and getting rid of his old life, devoting to symbol of The Guest. He couldn’t truly live as himself anymore, he followed along with the deal, not for the better of himself, but hopefully for everyone else he cares about. But there are always risk to your choices, and it can impact others in a bad way, and it can all come full circle. So, we’ll see the different ways of The Guest outcome, and it truly would be interesting if it’s Aaron. But, who knows. I guess it depends on the different ways a satisfying outcome can play out.

[limber ridge]

This is really cool in my opinion.

So it's not just Raven Brooks that is nowhere exactly, it's all of HN.

Which I think adds on to the vibe of unhomeliness even more, as it inherently makes everything more eerie and liminal.

[limber ridge]

by HN, this probably just means Nikita's HN, he has his own take on the story, while Carly and Alex for example have their own.
Despite that even in-universe this is all canon and in the same universe, and perspectives is what they're emphasizing more.
This is also kind of a meta connection, just like how all is different takes OUT-of universe because of different writers, as well as different media, in universe it is because of different perspectives.

Yk what I wanna call each of the 3 Guests we know are different smth else so:
HN2 Guest - Crowman.
GN2 Guest - Raven Man.
HN3 Guest - Forest Dweller.

[eager island]

think there may be a connection between TB's closure and "Golden Apple Healthy" branch

[dusty trench]

Frigid’s theory

[dusty trench]

Hmm, Healthy branch huh

Likely related, and possibly related to GA Corp. expansion.

Also, they used a thermometer here in this post relating to Guest arrival. And thermometers in the hospitality industry can connect to weather data.

[limber ridge]

About Janusz accepting change, this can connect to his name given that it means "God is gracious" which I would say can emphasize how he doesn't fight and goes along with what he gets throughout his life.

[eager island]

yeah the whole accepting change thing is coming from Janusz stereotype

also

janusz didnt survive the towns transformation because he understood it

he survived it because he always chooses whatever keeps him afloat one more month

[dusty trench]

Janusz is peak honestly

[eager island]

true

[limber ridge]

All are peak in HN3.

It's Nikita's work.

[dense raven]

truth

[potent harness]

it is a cult member

[night void]

Wait what

[eager island]

two different npcs

[night void]

Fake Guest and Coned are too same

[limber ridge]

They are still different, fake guest is just a placeholder for forest dweller.
Coned is another guy.

[night void]

Yeah I know but it is a lil bit weird

[dusty trench]

Yea but, it kinda makes sense why it would be a cone placeholder thing. Just look at Guest beak just pointing up mostly.

[night void]

same

[onyx crow]

I have a theory

What if

The placeholder for the guest is actually Coned but since the police is after him he changed his identity to avoid charges for murder

[night void]

sound good

[wanton roost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342267966913249331/1465732328042139782/giphy.gif

[glacial whale]

Yea you figured it out well done

[ripe berry]

I have to clarify there's technically at least 2 Guests in GN2:
The one who crashes Pris and Regina's Car
and Theodore at the end of the book/what I'm temporarily referring to as NeighborLikeVisitor
(the first one can't be Theodore because he's driving a Golden Apple truck at this time)

first one might be Crowman

[limber ridge]

I keep forgetting about that one

And one in the end I'd assume is Raven man but could I guess be Crow man? That if there's multiple Guests at a time which Alex kinda debunked, unless that was about AS/HN2 specifically.

[ripe berry]

I'd say the one at the very end of the book is Raven Man because ain't there a ripped piece of Ted's Sweater in that scene?

[limber ridge]

Yeah there is.

[dense raven]

Disaster Guest is trippy

I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be metaphorical, the way I see it Theodore isn't Guest but he was hurt, lost things and people, and at this point fell so low willing to do his mission that he's pretty much no better than Guest himself

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[dense raven]

But then there's the drowning scene and I have like no idea what to make of that lol

[unkempt sleet]

I always took that as him realizing that he is getting too similiar to Guest

[limber ridge]

Him drowning in his bad thoughts I guess.

[dense raven]

He was convinced to not do it but went down there and decided to be Guest-ish anyway?

Think water got to his head atp man

[limber ridge]

Imagine the other Guest came down and convinced him to be bad and then he became bad again.

[dense raven]

I kinda don't get it because Regina made a good point and even he admitted it

I'm not denying that it could be metaphorical for him not letting go of his pain (would it be a far-fetched assumption to say something bad happened to Aaron lol) and deciding to give into the bad guy Regina painted him to be

But it's just kinda weird because all the other Guest related shenanigans are quite literal

Yeah he was physically there even before Pris and Regina heard about the rumor of the Raven Man

Yeah he mocked Regina in uh, her dream??? I don't know should we consider that a feat

He was quite vital for her character development

Doing that

[limber ridge]

Ain't the nightmare scene was after they heard of the legend?

[dense raven]

Yeah

And right after Pris confronted Regina about imaginary dog

[limber ridge]

Yeah then I doubt that part's literal.

It low-key fits in like a coin.

[dense raven]

So you could make the argument that it like merged together into a nightmare and she was projecting

But again mann he was there TWICE before that

[limber ridge]

Twice?

Once was when their car crashed yeah.

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah.

[dense raven]

Yeah you could say this is too vague but why would they put him there otherwise

[limber ridge]

Well then he doesn't really do anything that needs a metaphor to be explained.

[dense raven]

Is it really just to establish the vibe of danger to the viewer (falsely assuming he's not real may I add) when she like

Actually saw him

She says she did

At this point there's the idea of the Guest that's like important and steals yo crap and the real Guest who legit just likes standing in the road for a split second and not showing up again ever

That sounds familiar

[ripe berry]

yeah, especially since there's supposedly nothing supernatural here

[dense raven]

Guest the idea vs Guest the (raven) man

[ripe berry]

there's a scene at the beginning of a crow calling out Pris' name

[limber ridge]

What if...
It was a raven.

[dense raven]

Everyone knows Guest is cool as ####. But who knows what he's thinking? Who knows why he steals pers? And why do we think about him as fondly as we think of the mystical (nonexistent?) Dr Pepper? Perchance.

/ref

[ripe berry]

I understood that reference

[dense raven]

I shoulda changed dr pepper to mayak

[ripe berry]

under a supernatural Guest this would easily be the Guest itself
but how could that work under non-supernaural Guest?

[dense raven]

Theodore is also quite literally talking to a crow

Maybe even the same one if you wanna get funny

[ripe berry]

especially since iirc Pris isn't aware of the Raven Man rumor yet

[dense raven]

He talks to it, it caws something and he goes "Hm interesting"

[ripe berry]

GN2 doesn't quite work right with non-supernatural Guest atm specifically BECAUSE of the scenes with the crows
remove those scenes and everything would be fine.

[dense raven]

It's still pretty weird ngl

Part of it is the message that's being told to us

And our vision as the readers

Sure we had exclusives before case in point the Thing

But then Theodore literally beefs it out with Guest underwater (sure, you could be skeptical there) and then comes out in his outfit

And then it's literally Guest again

Not Neighborlikevisitor literally Guest with the beak and Ted's ripped sweater

Is also there

Like that's a really weird portrayal either way man

I still love GN2 though

Wish they'd let the artist draw more their artstyle is so yummy

Please give us more Dave Bardin...

I'm pretty sure if MITH was actually planned for GN2 he'd get a cameo in this scene where the first responders take a look at the destroyed Mayak BadWeatherKillPeople 5000 machine

Kinda funny how for ref sheets specifically Dave drew everything in the darker color, Ted's blue sweater is purple, so is Smith's

Brown coat

Probably took it off Gordon as they burnt him on a stake

(Same with glasses, they're from Dale)

[dense raven]

It's overall kind of a shame that the whole adventure was for nothing since the town gets cleared out anyway a while later

Guys come back don't give me the Regina treatment

[limber ridge]

We're gone, now you've moved on and forgotten.

[limber ridge]

Ngl I think what makes it weird is that GN2 was kinda being written during Yellow press plot, and with some stuff it sorta shows(Regina's imaginary dog kinda is what I'm thinking of) so probably a lot of this stuff was gonna be kind of sensationalised and imagined, like a raven man forming out of water and possessing someone or ravens that can talk(or possibly ravens that are a transformed guy)

[limber ridge]

It wasn't for nothing, we had Ted become the Guest for reset day(/hj)

[dense raven]

Lol

[dense raven]

Yeah that's what gets me the most it's yellow press times

[limber ridge]

Sadly I doubt GN2 even would get explained ever, not directly.
Or at least not soon at all, given that AS is kinda supposed to tie into: HN2, HN1, SN and HE mainly.

Or at least so was said in the twitter post

[dense raven]

Yeahh

Man I'm still so bummed about how half the yellow press stuff could still be tied together

If they like contacted Nikita or something

At the bare minimum at least Theodore's backstory right

I think it'd be far better and would let him keep the cultist grudge without directly making everyone one and having to be present there at that day

[limber ridge]

That's kinda unfortunate because those games aren't really the confusing part, it's GN2 and Reset Day and vr also I suppose.(Although that one I am confident they'll make an effort in explaining, it wouldn't be too hard really)

[dense raven]

Yuh

[ripe berry]

not to mention Alex said not everything would fit together neatly

#hello-neighbor message

[dense raven]

Theo uses Quentin as a free therapist and once he got over his Halloween friends (took him decades) he decided he was brave enough to go to Mayak again and flood the town

[limber ridge]

Yup.
It doesn't match together is the wording he used if anyone wants to get nerdy and definitiony with that.

[ripe berry]

they might be purposefully throwing GN2 under the bus

[dense raven]

GN2 of all things man.

Can't they at that point ditch Reset Day as well

[limber ridge]

Nah Reset Day I'm sure also gets ditched.

[dense raven]

Rejoice

[limber ridge]

I'd argue it's more confusing than GN2 ngl.

[dense raven]

Highkey 😭

[limber ridge]

It only brings, like one possible answer to a question of the franchise, the time loops.

[dense raven]

It brings the question of time loops ngl

[ripe berry]

because lowk how does ANYONE explain what's going on in GN2 non-supernaturally in a way that doesn't sound like it was made up on the spot

[ripe berry]

and even then they're implied through Puzzle Master and Hello Engineer

[dense raven]

We couldn't really say fully that they were that

But like

We don't need Reset Day for it now

It as smth in a separate loop/book loop or not, honestly they should just kill it even if that's the case

[ripe berry]

like there's only one bit in all of GN2 that makes sense non-supernaturally and that's Theodore's explanation for how the Weather Station works

[limber ridge]

Well PM without RD or HE would still be sorta confusing, or at least left loose because you could say luck device is used weirdly to make some events likelier or smth

That was kind of a theory I seen here

But yeah HE makes even that aspect of RD not as useful

[ripe berry]

yet even that causes problems if taken at face value

because Theodore says he figured it out, when we see in WtRB it was already able to do weather manipulation in 1957

[limber ridge]

We could say he figured out how to cause it himself

[dense raven]

Norman needed Gordon and Dale behind bars so he could grab them and use Mayak to create a fusion of three and they make MITH

Trust

Gordon got the coat Dale got the glasses Norman got the Quentin proportions

[limber ridge]

Smith is 2/3s cult I guess then.

[dense raven]

Tbh would explain why he's such a control freak

[ripe berry]

in-fact GN2 just has a bunch of scenes that contradict details we learn elsewhere
The Mayak has a basement in GN2 when we're told no such thing exists in Bad Blood

[dense raven]

His heart is in the right place though

[limber ridge]

Driven by a greed to succeed.

[dense raven]

Speaking of GN2 Mayak

Do we wanna talk about this

[ripe berry]

the machine...?

[limber ridge]

Regina could have just went "yeah yeah sure Doppler cooling" but she just needed to understand it.
I respect that.
Unlike Piper who had books of RB history and found them BORING.

[limber ridge]

I love how Ted tries not to offend the crow though.

[ripe berry]

looked up Doppler Effect and actually had a convo about it with RavenBrooksCitizen awhile back
it seems to be something about using lasers to slow down atoms and cool them, in this context to turn water vapor into regular water

[dense raven]

Yeah the badweatherkillpeople 5000

[dense raven]

Sick

[ripe berry]

I could be completely misunderstanding this though

GN2 when it comes to not making any sense with the rest of the lore:

[untold lagoon]

What your favorite hello neighbor 3 character

[dense raven]

player

!!

[ripe berry]

too bad this machine blows up at the end of GN2 because it gets overloaded and still works despite being seemingly unplugged...? (iirc)

also doesn't match the machines seen in WtRB in the Mayak

[ripe berry]

like you can tell they tried to make it fit
but there definitely wasn't any communication with Carly while making GN2

and somehow they made a Guest that doesn't work at all for it's intended lore

GN2 was probably juggling 2 Guest lores at once
Storm Guest (alpha 1.5) and Neighbor Guest (hg)

[ripe berry]

and maybe even a third guest depending on what the lore was during HN2A1

[dense raven]

tbh neither does GN2 mayak as a whole lol

[limber ridge]

GN2 mayak doesn't match any mayak.

The eyeball please 🥺

[dense raven]

the eyeball fell and squished the cultists

[limber ridge]

[ripe berry]

GN2 is the Lebron James of not quite fitting in with the lore

like again
they definitely tried
but there's still issues no matter how you slice and dice it due to non-supernatural Guest

[dusty trench]

Exactly what I mean, idk if this can t tie to Theo becoming Guest but rn it seems unlikely.

[limber ridge]

It seems unlikely that Sosed became the Guest or what?

[limber ridge]

Ngl you kinda need to stretch it but I think if you slice and dice it the correct way it can work.

[dense raven]

how about yellow press guest not being real at all

and like trying to thug it out from there somehow

[ripe berry]

some things can be explained like the badweatherkillpeople 5000™, Theodore's claims of being the one to solve weather manipulation, and the fight between Theo and Guest

[dense raven]

that's the vibe I'm getting- he's Quentin's imaginary friend enemy and pretty much the manifestation of chasing rumors

it's still such a funny thought like bro was sitting on a rock for decades then one day decided "screw it I'm gonna top everyone who tried"

and he actually did it

[dusty trench]

I don’t think it’s that complicated. Maybe if we want to go further with it maybe it can be a little, but still.

[dusty trench]

Ehhh

[limber ridge]

Okay so if the fight, badweatherkillpeople 5000ᵀᴹ and Theodore's claims can get explained what else was there? The aftermath of the fight(fully costumed guest)? The whispering crow?

[ripe berry]

the crow, the cop not arresting Ted, the costume

[dense raven]

and it kind of almost tracks with GN2 Theo, YP Theo dressed up as the Guest (the outfit is still so cute man), and eventually he falls down to the level of the rumored evil, he can turn off the machine but not get rid of the pain blah-blah-blah he decides to give into Regina's words and become the legend

the keyword is almost tracks because Guest is still present and has several eyewitnesses

[limber ridge]

It'd be really funny if a Whispering crow is the straw that breaks the camel's back

[limber ridge]

And I really can't think of anything to explain it myself so yeah

[dusty trench]

Cop not arresting Ted because storm is building

[dense raven]

storm is dying actually

[ripe berry]

Mayak looking different can be chalked up to an artstyle thing
like how AS Mayak looks different from games Mayak

[dense raven]

like instantly it began to fade away

[dusty trench]

Near beginning?

Because it gets pretty bad later on

[dense raven]

nono after they destroyed badweatherkillpeople 5000 machine and the first responders arrive

it like ends

instantly

[dusty trench]

Bru

[limber ridge]

Ted was hiding... The costume... Heh ... Can be metaphorical or it just floated towards him... The crow just stumps all I guess.

[dusty trench]

I’m not talking about that

[dense raven]

oh you mean the cop

on the road block

I mean why would he

[dusty trench]

Yes

[dense raven]

we kinda don't see their conversation

[limber ridge]

Mayak looking different is kind of a nitpick more than anything.
No one complains that the house looks different everytime. I do on mayak

[dusty trench]

In that time Theo would obviously hid somewhere

[ripe berry]

the Crow is the final Hurdle preventing GN2 from working neatly

[dusty trench]

How?

[ripe berry]

Ted talking with it plus at the beginning of GN2 a crow calls out Pris' Name

[dusty trench]

That’s not that hard to explain. Ted talking to it doesn’t have to be that complicated, also crows and ravens can mimic human speech and say words, even recognize (ravens too). I talked with frigid about this, and I believe that bird at the beginning you mention is a raven. That bird is there because Guest is watching them, guiding this all to occur. It’s like how I theorize on how cult has used crows and animals, it’s trained to do what it does. In this case, by Guest. So it’s not that hard to explain.

I’m pretty sure we talked about all this stuff before including Theo and Guest in GN2.

[limber ridge]

Afaik ravens can't exactly say words.

Like they can Mimic voices but not spell the actual words

I might need to search more

[dusty trench]

Guest told it to do that

A person can have a raven and or crow mimic a word and say it

Maybe Guest was right below

[limber ridge]

I guess, corvids are really trainable in RB(Shmoeface commands them to attack the kids or smth)

[dusty trench]

Because it’s like a pet and its owner, or like a bribe, and or deal in a way.

Guest likely was right below and said to say Pris.

And Guest especially would be good at this, he adapts to the animalistic nature of all this stuff.

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah they can apparently.

Irl too

I think

[dusty trench]

Ravens and crows can even just learn names and words over time if they adapted to an area with a ton of humans, most commonly names of people.

[ripe berry]

I mean the scene doesn't show the Guest being there

[dusty trench]

But it could still be possible. Even if Guest wasn’t super close, ravens and crows can hear from far.

[ripe berry]

but, I mean, we do see the Guest is in the area

so I guess it's possible

[dusty trench]

I talked on this before, not specifically that moment of Raven speaking cause I thought people would just get it.

[ripe berry]

then again even when people get it some people feel it's not really a satisfactory answer

[ripe berry]

Theodore projecting the "Raven Man" part of himself onto the crow:

[dusty trench]

True, it works tho

[dusty trench]

lol

That can be some symbolism

I said it more straight forward, but you can tie it to other concepts. I mean just look at the scene, it’s portrayed in a seemingly symbolic kinda way.

That scene shows more of crows and or ravens it can tie to characters in certain ways.

Kinda like S&R

[ripe berry]

yeah

oh, and technically speaking the GN2 Mayak has another issue which I think I had an explanation for
the whole "the Mayak has no basement in Bad Blood (only Tunnels) but it does in GN2" thing

[limber ridge]

Yeah the basement thing just being the tunnels

Solid explanation.

[ripe berry]

Theodore building a basement inside the tunnels to power the badweatherkillpeople 5000™:

[limber ridge]

Oh

[dense raven]

Means they're not flood proof

Ladies and gentlemen we know how the cult isn't around no more!

[ripe berry]

(because it noticeably has brick instead of dirt/wood like the normal tunnels)

[dusty trench]

Yes, this adds onto when I talked about the snow thief event, the windmill, and even S&R. Aswell as like, many other stuff that point us to that it’s just clear (basically mostly all media). And it would make sense for Theo to protect himself and the basement as that’s like, the most important place in his house, and it being part of the weather machine and experiments is like shown to us clearly, and he was experimenting down there with stuff. So it makes sense if the cultist we know are all dead by storm, and even other incidents within that period. Some can be outside of town tho because GA Corp. and even they can be new people who aren’t like cult in past but they just play into this stuff for the fortune, basically like cult but not the original, some can be knowingly and unknowingly falling into the cults doing. It’s like the impact left behind. Thing is tho, who picked up GA Corp is all older cultist are dead (like most of them almost all definitely are), and if so did they like sell off GA before they died, or what I think can be most likely a family passing thing if all of the previous are dead in that period, or afterwards. And all of the dirty work is passed down, like a dark tradition. But it’s used a bit differently in the future, but still in a bad way. What ever the full goal is for GA Corp. in the future, we don’t know fully yet. But we have some ideas present, like Act 3 of HN1, even in some HN3 ideas of lore so far.

[split oriole]

im lossing it

[dusty trench]

Self explanatory

[split oriole]

i mean

[dusty trench]

#hn3-discussion message

Also

#hn3-discussion message

[split oriole]

I'm referring to the difference between the books and everything that comes out of Nikita's mouth.

i know

diferent people with diferent point of view of the history

buut

y know

[dusty trench]

No

Nikita just added on

In a different way. In Nikita’s view (of explaining).

Explaining the overall world and what it is. It’s unique.

[split oriole]

it is now

[dusty trench]

No, it’s been its own unique world.

[split oriole]

but it doesnt change the fact that the books says the history takes place in missuri

thats what bothers me

[dusty trench]

Because it does, but not REAL Missouri. Thats detail that can kinda show for example, Theo traveled the world and such building stuff.

That’s a message from Nikita on what the world truly is.

Its own unique world and universe, not our world.

so technically, RB’s is nowhere.

[split oriole]

thanks

[dusty trench]

No problem

[proven pelican]

I thought hn is set in Missouri

[dusty trench]

It is

But it isn’t

Technically

[proven pelican]

It’s its own Missouri is what ur saying

[dusty trench]

Yea

And Carley put that in books view

Really what matters is that it’s a unique world. Not ours.

I explained Missouri and such above too if you read already.

Germany is part of this too

It can tie to the meta and other concepts and views in HN

[proven pelican]

Yeah

And they do all have there own language too

It’s waybon croobian sum like that

[dusty trench]

That can tie to meta aswell, even English, and other languages.

[proven pelican]

Yeah

Its just broken English

That’s why I do like hello neighbor because they have there own creative stuff no glaze

[dusty trench]

HN has used English before, even in games (but yes HN is goated and it’s very creative).

[proven pelican]

Yeah some I can recall is the neighbors scrapped voice line where he cusses and the books where they talk in English

[dusty trench]

Also I’m SN stuff, and Quentin’s badge, even some writing in HE on a sign.

[proven pelican]

I forgot about se

I also found out today that the neighbour can also speak Russian

I think

It’s from one of the cassette tapes in hn2

[dusty trench]

That is not said nor confirmed

And really no

[proven pelican]

I don’t know what he’s speaking in that cassette tape people are identifying it as Russian but I’m not sure if it’s the neighbor is voice or just the creators

[dusty trench]

In tapes, iirc they speak Wayron Croobian in sum of them.

But

There is a tape that YouTubers got in a package that is in English

[proven pelican]

I think I saw it before and I think u are correct he might just be talking wayron croobian because he speaks a bit of recognizable words then it’s just nonsense but I am 90% sure that’s the neighbor talking unless it’s a different guy

[dusty trench]

There is a Theo tape, and one of likely Mayor too. Even other cultist.

[proven pelican]

The mayor definitely has one I heard it

Because he’s talking to a cop aboit Peterson

Which I assume is Keith

[dusty trench]

Yea that one

[dusty trench]

Likely

I’m pretty sure there was music in the background too from Mayors manor.

[proven pelican]

It would’ve been cool if the whole hn2 neighbours had voicelines but no voicelines fits it in a way I can’t explain the only things we have close to there voice is the cassettes and the YouTube series

[dusty trench]

Also his “hello?…, HELO?!”

lol

[proven pelican]

Yeah that was pretty good

There should be a mod if it isn’t already out there that brings his cussing voicelines to hn1

[dusty trench]

There is one

[proven pelican]

Oh shoot I never knew that

[dusty trench]

His lines are in game files and in mod kit

[dusty trench]

Lemme find the vid but ima send it not here so I don’t get banned

[proven pelican]

Alright

I might have to use that when I get hello neighbour for pc I only have it on console

[dusty trench]

I’ve seen mods on console but yea

Idk how

Even on mobile but like idk

[proven pelican]

I think they just connect there console to there pc I don’t really know how they do it

[dusty trench]

Oh yea

[proven pelican]

Yeah that mod is funny

[dusty trench]

Yea

Those lines are in announcement trailer but really quiet

When person hides in corner

[proven pelican]

Just randomly thinking all that stuff hn2 could’ve had

I just random thought of that

[dusty trench]

Yea but, development hell happened

[proven pelican]

I understand they were moved from there work and stuff

[dusty trench]

And got bankrupt

[proven pelican]

Yeah

It didn’t help with the spin offs

[dusty trench]

All the games did well kinda, but even like HE had to get re released, and other HND devs weren’t doing anything so they were fired.

[proven pelican]

Yeah but some were kind of unnecessary

But it’s what they do I can’t complain

[dusty trench]

Some what?

[proven pelican]

HE

Actually it’s just one

That’s in my opinion tho

[dusty trench]

HE is kinda what they kinda should’ve had earlier imo.

It expands in what HN was kinda meant to be.

[proven pelican]

Yeah I saw that in a comment

[dusty trench]

Which one (YouTube?)

[proven pelican]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

Know who it was?

[proven pelican]

Nah it was just some random dude saying that HE was suppose to be like early hn

[dusty trench]

Oh

Well

I said that in a post

[proven pelican]

Could’ve been u

[dusty trench]

But not exactly that

If you read mine I said it takes older ideas and such of what HN was planned to have, but expands on it in a new way.

Like driving, crafting, sandbox open world, freedom, etc.

[proven pelican]

Oh I domt really rember what it said exactly but 8t was under the lines of what u said

[dusty trench]

Maybe you seen me

lol

[proven pelican]

Maybe

They should expand the sewers

I not sure what they will really do with it

But right now it’s just a coin and the forest protecter plate thing

[dusty trench]

HN3 has catacombs as an idea rn seen in P3.

It’s like tunnels catacombs stuff which is the same basically idea.

It ties to town history stuff

HE has these too

[proven pelican]

Oh yeah didn’t the town get wiped by a storm

[dusty trench]

It’s going to

Or atleast

That’s the idea

[proven pelican]

I wonder what happened to the other neighbours

I don’t kmow if they left raven brooks or just got caught

They just moved on

[dusty trench]

Wait what are you referring to again?

[proven pelican]

Hn2 neighbours

Ik the mayor got arrested

[dusty trench]

Oh

[dusty trench]

That might be a different mayor

That’s referring to Mayor Tavish

He got arrested

[proven pelican]

In puzzle master

Yeah

[dusty trench]

Yea it might be a dif one

There is another mayor name they had as an idea in the pilot called Mayor Tweed.

That could be re used as current Mayor name, or Tavish, or both if they’re the same (which imo they likely aren’t).

[proven pelican]

OH YEAH

Tweed too

I remember him

It kind of confuses me between the too

All I know is that the mayor in hn2 is tavish

[dusty trench]

It was on a newspaper only in pilot

[dusty trench]

Not confirmed

But

That is just a theory

…

A GAME THeORY

Lemme stop

[proven pelican]

I always thought he was tavish

For some reason in hn2

He could be both he could none

But the mayor is,pretty messed up

[dusty trench]

I mean, he is a cultist

[proven pelican]

I know that but in the series and stuff and lore

He’s pretty corrupt

He didn’t even care that his people killed Petersons brother

[dusty trench]

Exactly, he’s a cultist

[proven pelican]

He’s the definition of double sided life almost all of the hn2 neighbours is but

Besides that I like getting chased by him his chase music is good

[dusty trench]

I like his house because the puzzle are fun, there is detail that is nice, he is fast, and yes the music.

[proven pelican]

Yeah he’s the fastet neighbour

The puzzles are fun

I agree

[dusty trench]

*cough Theo boss, *cough Guest

[proven pelican]

Idk if he counts as a neighbour

[dusty trench]

Who?

Oh well

[proven pelican]

The guest

[dusty trench]

He is a Guest

[proven pelican]

He is the fastet thing in the game

[dusty trench]

Yea

[proven pelican]

But mayor is the fastest neighbour

[dusty trench]

*cough Theo boss

😂

[proven pelican]

Oh him too yeah

I’m thinking

He would count but it’s kind of a phase he has but it could still count

[dusty trench]

I even played too after boss for some reason it glitched, and he was still super fast

[proven pelican]

That’s very,scary

[dusty trench]

It should be his default speed after you beat Theo boss

Just because

[proven pelican]

Yeah

There is no reason to go back there anyways unless u just wanna mess around with him or explore

[dusty trench]

Find sum lore

[proven pelican]

Yeah

The hn2 music is very well made

[dusty trench]

Yea

Even some lost and exclusive tracks too

[proven pelican]

It gives u that errie feeling

Same with the chase music

They cooked on that

[dusty trench]

All HN games have amazing soundtrack

Peak

[proven pelican]

That’s true

That’s why hn2 is 1 for me I might glaze it but it’s one of the best in my eyes it might be 2 since it needs sum fixing and allat

[dusty trench]

Yea I love HN2

Especially Guest territory

That’s like truly THE game

Sandbox and more intractable items.

[proven pelican]

Yeah

It’s good we get to explore raven brooks more

It’s the game I will never get bored of just restarting it over and over again

[dusty trench]

Yea it is really fun

Speaking of that, this is #lore-discussion

[proven pelican]

Oh yeah

[dusty trench]

And speaking of HN2

Ima just send an analysis I made

Lemme grab it

These #lore-discussion message
and these #lore-discussion message

[proven pelican]

Those are pretty good

I read 2

[dusty trench]

Thank you

[proven pelican]

I might need to do some of that stuff too I’m very interested in hn2 lore

[dusty trench]

All media adds onto each other in ways

HN has so much to explore

[proven pelican]

Yeah and so many questions to be answered

We can only make answers but

There’s been a lot of theory’s on who knocks u out in the end of hn2 we can only judge by the shadow and stuff

[dusty trench]

Technically some answers like Guest and Mayak are already here, but in what ways. That what we gotta figure out.

[dusty trench]

That was confirmed (kinda)

It was a cultist

[proven pelican]

Oh

[dusty trench]

Lemme grab the vid

[proven pelican]

Do we know specifically or just a normal cultist

[dusty trench]

https://youtu.be/W9a_zMzzgAM?si=K5ptOQV9lHF94tfm

[dusty trench]

No we don’t know specifically which

[proven pelican]

What was this made for ?

[dusty trench]

HN2

[proven pelican]

I know to show what happens after

I mean the cultist could anybody lol

At least one of the neighbours

[dusty trench]

Or someone else

[proven pelican]

Yeah

The cult is probaly big

It’s been there for a while

[dusty trench]

We’ll have a kinda list, if S3 of AS takes place before HN2 (likely does asf now imo) and we see which cultist gets killed.

[proven pelican]

What does s3 of as mean

I am slow

[dusty trench]

Season 3

[proven pelican]

Oh

I haven’t watched the whole thing I’m in season 2 still

All ik from spoiler is that they were kidnapped

[dusty trench]

Which episode?

[proven pelican]

Like season 2 episode 1

[dusty trench]

Oh alr

[proven pelican]

I also know that a Cultist gets killed by Mr Peterson

[dusty trench]

Beak

[proven pelican]

They get what they deserve

They keep on messing with the peterson family

Oh yeah I remember this

Otto with the missing dude

[dusty trench]

Missing Journalist, yup

Otto a secret neighbor fr

[proven pelican]

Prob is

He’s probaly just mad because they killed his friend

[dusty trench]

Huh?