lore-discussion

[worthy sable]

bruh that would be ridiculous

[chrome maple]

yep

[limber ridge]

I don't think so

[eager island]

its just for act 2's escape gameplay

[chrome maple]

hn1s lore is pretty ridiculous

[worthy sable]

like the neighbor made all thoses clash of clans upgrades on his own house overnight ?

no way

[chrome maple]

its real, but also isnt? something like that

[eager island]

i mean it was always the case

[chrome maple]

probably not

[worthy sable]

which i hate

[eager island]

act 1 - real
act 2 - real event but distorted in nickys mind
act 3/4 - self therapy

[chrome maple]

im pretty sure nicky was kept in the basement for more than a day

[eager island]

2 months

[chrome maple]

yeah

[eager island]

as confirmed in reddit q&a

[chrome maple]

didnt theo want to kidnap nicky so aaron wouldnt be lonely?

[limber ridge]

In the books yes

Maybe in the games, idk

[eager island]

it was the case for the novels iirc

[limber ridge]

From what I understood in the games he just captured Nicky cuz he got too close

[chrome maple]

i really want to read the books

[limber ridge]

Well

There are audiobooks online

[chrome maple]

i didnt know that

[limber ridge]

That's what I used to get to learn their lore

[chrome maple]

and id rather read them myself

[limber ridge]

Oh same

[chrome maple]

also the graphic novels

[dense raven]

I mean HN2's gameplay is kinda solid, S&R is pretty good

The Petersons story gets retold like every single installment

[limber ridge]

The audiobooks are 5 hours long 💀

I could read them in a shorter time honestly

[dense raven]

HN media is rarely the issue in itself it's more so the marketing and company's inner workings that are the problem

[limber ridge]

The graphic novels are also present online

[chrome maple]

i remember getting bad blood when hgp just came out cuz theres a map of the amusement park in there lmao

i still havent read it since i want to read them in the order they came out

[worthy sable]

i heard that they made a lot of false promises for hn2 that weren't fullfilled

[eager island]

yeah

[limber ridge]

Indeed

[worthy sable]

also what's S&R ? 😅

[eager island]

the vr game

[worthy sable]

oh

[eager island]

search and rescue

[worthy sable]

and I don't agree that their story are retold every installment

like never heard of a cult in any game

[eager island]

hn2

is all about cults

[ripe berry]

they're in HN2

[worthy sable]

yeah but was it clear ?

[eager island]

if you follow the details

[chrome maple]

it was pretty clear

[dense raven]

HN1's art style being mid is due to Nikita not being able to properly elaborate on it to the modellers (they got the hang of it later), the mediocre bum AI is due to the alphas coder getting fired and the replacements not understanding the old code and not trying to copy the old ai much

The act 3 house was made seemingly in response to neighbor_3 test map hype

The game was overall targeted to be profitable, especially to the kids while like no child would comprehend Nicky's story arc

It's on the inner side of things man

[worthy sable]

okay then i'm backing off on this one

[chrome maple]

the mayors secret room is filled with cult stuff

[eager island]

theres like a huge cultist portrait

[ripe berry]

literally a required moment in the game shows you a painting of cultists

[worthy sable]

okayyyy i got itttt

[chrome maple]

there is?

[worthy sable]

i was wrong on this one my bad

[eager island]

you have to remove the portrait to get in an room in museum

[chrome maple]

it has been so long ago that i played hn2 so i dont remember

[ripe berry]

this one

[chrome maple]

oh yeah

[ripe berry]

not to mention there's also like a giant statue of one in the Museum

[chrome maple]

i remember that one

[ripe berry]

(which you can also find one half-buried under the Raven Brooks Banner disguised as normal rocks)

you can figure out a good chunk of the lore with just the games

[chrome maple]

the books still give a lot of info

like the luck devices and mayak

i think theyre explained in the books

[worthy sable]

i still don't think that a good game should require you to read a book to understand it's lore

[chrome maple]

i think it would be better if hn didnt have such expansive lore

it shouldve stopped with the guest imo

[dense raven]

Yeah, the game designer dipped halfway through because of burnout and that's where things went downhill lol

They tried improving it with patches but dropped it

[eager island]

books just gives more lore content

you dont need to read to understand the game

[dense raven]

Bruh

[chrome maple]

it sucks that patch 9 never became what it was supposed to be

[worthy sable]

yeah still the games don't really tell anything of substance so i guess you're right

[dense raven]

Silly goose they busted a good chunk of their cash on a cartoon specifically so the books lore is more accessible

If you're not willing to see that either to get it well I dunno what to say

You don't get media content if you don't wanna interact with media in question

[ripe berry]

not exactly book lore but still, helps make the lore more accessible ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense raven]

Yah

[jade cargo]

Ok, so Piper's mom is dead... and probably Enzo too

[limber ridge]

Yeah I already kinda thought so

[eager island]

not same guest

[limber ridge]

That message doesn't really add on too much

If it adds at all

[eager island]

theres a guest for AS, for hn2 (might be same with AS tho), for hn3, for hnvr, and for novels

[ripe berry]

R.I.P. Ms. Klein/Mrs. Tillman (not Marcia)
XXXX-2022

[limber ridge]

We know for sure HN2 and HN3 are separate

[limber ridge]

Or technically not for sure

They could have somehow made the same guests despite not having the intention

[jade cargo]

Klein? I dont remember that name

[alpine crystal]

If everything is canon, would Faust storyline and family storyline will be canon

[eager island]

no

[limber ridge]

It was on the back cover

[alpine crystal]

Tbh Pam being the faust make sense to me

[ripe berry]

the back cover of Reset Day calls Piper Tillman "Piper Klein" (for some reason) so I just use Ms. Klein now for Piper's Mom to prevent confusion with Marcia

[chrome maple]

pre-release isnt canon

[jade cargo]

No, because thats not a finished product. For example alphas and the AS pilot are not canon

[alpine crystal]

Aw dang it

[ripe berry]

I'd also say GN2 might have 2 Guests
assuming the Guest isn't supernatural, there's the one who crashes Regina and Pris
and NeighborLikeVisitor/Theodore

[alpine crystal]

Pam is the faust

[jade cargo]

Oh yeah, I saw that, I think is probably a mistake lol
But who knows?

[limber ridge]

If GN2 and HN2 do take place at around the same time this does sort of make sense

[limber ridge]

The previous Guest disappeared at the same time the new one put on the mantle

[alpine crystal]

Pam have some sort of stuff going on,
He die in car accident
Goes in coma
Go to hell, (hugely implied by alpha 1)

[jade cargo]

I think Reset Day, HN2P9 and GN2 take place around the same period of time

[limber ridge]

Well probably, Piper's family name is Tillman not Klein

[eager island]

reset day is 2021

while hn2 is

1996

[ripe berry]

like the Books only make up like 23 images on my ultimate HN Timeline

[limber ridge]

I agree in HN2P9 and GN2

[ripe berry]

they mean the Forest specifically

[jade cargo]

I already explained this to u I ain't doing that again

[limber ridge]

Not on RD

[eager island]

thats still in 1996

or atleast

not 2021

[ripe berry]

yeah I agree, but still

[jade cargo]

Do you have this image with better quality?

[ripe berry]

...no, I don't...
sorry...

[alpine crystal]

I bet Pam (pre-nicky) has some sort of stuff going on,
Pam died in a car accident
Goes in coma
Go to hell, (hugely implied by alpha 1)
Faust reference
The basement is the stairway to heaven
Devil and god made a bet about collecting soul
Faust sold his soul to the devil making it easier for the devil

I like the idea of PAM being a evil

I mean look at hello neighbor into the mind lore

[limber ridge]

And I bet Pam (pre-Nicky) went to school at one point
Became near-death in car accident
Goes in fake reality
Goes in the basement (way out of fake reality)

Okay sorry

[alpine crystal]

Well that was the most basic story I ever heard

He didn't get in the basement

I bet Glowing white stuff in the basement is a stairway to heaven

[limber ridge]

I also bet

Pam must have really liked it there

[alpine crystal]

Which makes the basement opposite of the basement ???

[jade cargo]

In both GN2 and RD, Theo is The Guest. Also in GN2 they use smartphones, i know they also do in AS, but I really consider AS as a complement for some parts of the story. Also we know that after the storm Peterson's house was destroyed and in RD it still standing. I talked about this with someone who studied how writing works, and he told me that it didn't make sense to destroy the house and then rebuild it if you're not going to do anything with it.

[eager island]

saying it like hn has one writer

[jade cargo]

Damn, I wanted to read those articles better, idk where to find them

[limber ridge]

It does if it's two different continuities

[alpine crystal]

I like the idea of PAM being evil

[dense raven]

Ivan we get it

[limber ridge]

Cool

[ripe berry]

helloneighbor2.com/rbbarchives, password is (all caps) "hatcherywingate"

[limber ridge]

We understood it the first time

[alpine crystal]

Ok

[limber ridge]

Second time was good measure

[jade cargo]

I already enter there, im referring to others

[eager island]

egs didnt think about the reset day once while putting neighbors house destroyed again

[alpine crystal]

Ah yes egs

🥚

[ripe berry]

these?

[ripe berry]

they don't have much text on them

[jade cargo]

All of these are from HN3P3?

[alpine crystal]

Yes

[ripe berry]

yep!

this is from HN2 Patch 9

[dense raven]

Hotel staff for Raven Brooks mayor office 2029 🙏

[ripe berry]

forgot to include this in the image but he's something from Hello Engineer

[jade cargo]

Oh, then I dont need them. I dont want to use unfinished material to make a storyline

Srry

[ripe berry]

the famed inventor found after plane crash one comes from Waking Nightmare iirc

[jade cargo]

You're right, I forgot you're an omniscient god when it comes to Hello Neighbor and you know what the developers were thinking

BRUH

[ripe berry]

and some of the other things are images ripped from the guidebook

[jade cargo]

Oh, so there're new missing children?

[ripe berry]

yeah I guess
they only appear in Hello Engineer on Missing Posters tho

[limber ridge]

Wait what

[eager island]

its not like every single thing is intentionally placed in a specific way for some lore

when most of the time its a bunch of people just trying to make a game and theres no single vision behind it

[jade cargo]

its not like every single thing isn't intentionally placed in a specific way for some lore

[limber ridge]

You don't know they were planning for reset day either so saying that's not good writing isn't really a good argument and it's not too past the line of thinking you're framing Kryptqn for

[ripe berry]

Theodore's House seems to be on and off on if it's intact or not

[limber ridge]

(albeit I would say it's most likely they didn't plan RD back then)

[ripe berry]

HN1? burns down by 201X (either 2015 or 2017 depending on if you take Nikita saying the game occurs around the time HN1 came out or if you take Nikita saying Act 3 is 19 years after Act 1 as more correct)
RD? Still standing in 2021
HN2? burns down
HN3? semi-intact, damaged with time, but clearly not burned down in 2028

[eager island]

the guy is saying if house is standing in 2021 then hn2 patch 9 should be in 2021 too

or something like that

[jade cargo]

Nah, I'm not framing. Its been many times know that he says smt is in some way, I read the books and prove him wrong. He always acts like he know everything. Also I think it makes more sense that way, its my theory making the time line RD, GN2 and HN2P9, but it's just my theory I ain't saying its Canon or smt

[eager island]

and im saying this theory is 90% wrong

[jade cargo]

HN3 could just be a re-desing though

[jade cargo]

and im saying this theory is 90% correct

[dense raven]

Wrong

[eager island]

with what evidence

[jade cargo]

with what evidence

[ripe berry]

some people say
GN2 -> Patch 9 -> RD
some say Patch 9 -> GN2 -> RD
you can even make an argument for RD -> GN2

[jade cargo]

I think I will start to answer their messages with their own edited, its funnier that way

[ripe berry]

because RD implies the Weather Station is still intact, meanwhile GN2 shows it get burned in a fire

[eager island]

because it wouldnt makes any sense to having some this type of timeskip?

like

[ripe berry]

depends on what you view as more important evidence

[eager island]

why would there be 30 year timeskip randomly

[ripe berry]

HN1 separated things so you can have the timeskip
as far as we know
HN2 -> LayoutV2 -> Ruined Town -> Forest would've been seamless in terms of timeline order, so yeah

also one of the Ruined Town images shows the Star Championship 1996 poster the Mayor has outside his door on Days 1-3

[ripe berry]

which implies we aren't too far into the future or else they would've changed the date on that

[limber ridge]

It would kinda end HN2 act 2 on a cliffhanger... Unless they actually planned some more for the forest.

[coarse cedar]

HN2 would end on a cliffhanger KIND OF anyway if you just had act 1

The only real cliffhanger is what happens to Peterson, you could just say Quentin dies because it's not like the cult is going to recruit him or anything

[ripe berry]

ALSO
Hello Engineer
Hello Engineer is clearly in 1996 (RS are still kids)
Hello Engineer you can hear the storm coming
followed by GN2 where our introduction to Theodore has him driving a GAAP Truck as if he just came from there
and Secret Neighbor has posters warning about a hurricane approaching, and how RB needs to evacuate

[dense raven]

Quentin gets freed by the Guest

[limber ridge]

Yes. But there's act 2 to continue it. If act 2 ended like that then I guess there'd be some act 3 required?

[coarse cedar]

Oh we're counting the blockout cutscene?

[dense raven]

I see no reason not to

[coarse cedar]

Because it never even showed up in game

We aren't counting AI rundown from Pre-Alpha are we

[ripe berry]

it'd be weird if the storm heard in HE, the storm implied by SN, the storm that we would've seen the aftermath of in HN2, and the events in GN2 aren't one in the same

[dense raven]

Quentin gets hit in the head and gets away all the time in HN2 why would he just die this time

[coarse cedar]

Because he's getting dragged away by the cult that kills people..?

[dense raven]

Technically we know that from the blockout specifically too

[limber ridge]

Under time loop theory wouldn't these be two different storms?

[dense raven]

If we don't apply it then we "don't know" who took Quentin lol

You either go all the way or don't at all

[ripe berry]

there's a difference

[coarse cedar]

No, you can also use context clues like how Quentin has been investigating the cult almost the entire game

Who else would it be

"Pre-Alpha Man" Okay

Besides, I don't see reason in counting Layout V2 when it never shows up in game, it's not even a finished animation, and the story it tells leads to nowhere but speculation

[ripe berry]

one was made before the final game and one was made after and was meant to tie into the Forest at some point

[coarse cedar]

Do we even know if it leads to the forest

[ripe berry]

Forest is called HN2 Act 2 by the files

[coarse cedar]

Yes

I don't know, theorizing all these places feels so iffy because we're trying to connect dots to an update that has a story that's just vagueposting and a blockout cutscene that feels disjointed from everything

[ripe berry]

so without LayoutV2 the question is how does Quentin escape the cult

[dense raven]

That's the way things are

[coarse cedar]

I guess. How are we going to tie error world into the story then?

[dense raven]

We don't

We like

Don't

[limber ridge]

Bruh

[coarse cedar]

But it's the same situation?

[ripe berry]

it's different

[coarse cedar]

How

[dense raven]

Error World is an arg made for theory bait bruh

It's even more disconnected than YouTube posted blockouts

Because the plot is literally the ai is self aware and dips

[coarse cedar]

I don't see how patch 9 wasn't either? It left photos of an update that never happened, it has mannequins of Theodore's family that we've NEVER seen before, and ite nds on a cliffhanger

[ripe berry]

Error World is a 4th wall break ARG
LayoutV2 and the Forest are continuations of HN2's story

[coarse cedar]

And it's the same situation too, it was a post launch update like error world

[ripe berry]

except Error World was being built up through the Alphas and Betas

[coarse cedar]

Well frankly error world had more thought put into it then lol

[dense raven]

The difference is that the update was MEANT to happen, it WAS meant to be foreshadowing future game bits that sadly never happened, they were like teasers

[coarse cedar]

Error world has been in the game since Alpha 3

They didn't do that on accident

[dense raven]

Error world is comparable to "Matpat will enjoy dissecting this frame by frame"

[coarse cedar]

Oh...

[dense raven]

They didn't do the blockout on accident

[coarse cedar]

Yes

[dense raven]

Like??

[coarse cedar]

I don't know what that was supposed to prove

I'm not saying they're LITERALLY the same thing. But trying to connect it to the full story is relatively similar

Or even Reset Day for example

It's so disconnected and has too many loose ends

We don't even know if patch 9 is canon

I'd love to ask Alex

[ripe berry]

can't wait for him to hit Nikita's favorite line

[coarse cedar]

And yes I know they said in a tweet it was canon but that was ON LAUNCH, things happen, like Hello Neighbor 3, and them trying to repair the disconnected and messy story they were making

[ripe berry]

"Canon, but not in a way you think"

[coarse cedar]

I mean unless Quentin steps into a wormhole and goes into the future by going into the forest I don't see how the Guest could be there, besides his interpretation is very dated as well

Or not dated sorry

It just feels very different than every other iteration

[dense raven]

You're advocating for error world but not layoutv2 with the same thought process??

Again, error world leads NOWHERE

If you want consistency that badly fine, it's "canon" but not on the same layer as the HN's actual story due to its meta elements that are just incompatible

Deal?

[coarse cedar]

I'm not advocating for either lol

[ripe berry]

Guest is there at the very beginning of HN2 btw

[dense raven]

You don't want to ask Alex

[coarse cedar]

I have my own thoughts on that

[coarse cedar]

Why not? It's not like I can ask Nikita, he wasn't around then, and I don't want to ask Alexus because he doesn't care and also he's gone

He would be the best person to ask

[dense raven]

Everything is canon but not in the way you think

[coarse cedar]

I feel like that's stretching the term if we're going to count blockouts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsgsnxOwNdg

Are we going to count this too?

[chrome maple]

such a shame that that didnt ever become an actual thing

[coarse cedar]

Yeah, but I'm kind of happy things changed

I like Hello Neighbor 3 a lot more

[chrome maple]

same

[coarse cedar]

Also in my opinion I'm able to tie the lore together a lot better in my head when I don't count things like the content expansion for Hello Neighbor 2 lol

[chrome maple]

but it would be cool to see the version patch 9 that never got made

[coarse cedar]

Of course

I know what you mean

[chrome maple]

yeah

like the leaks that may or may not have been real

[coarse cedar]

Kind of like Neighbor Area and stuff

Just to see it

[chrome maple]

neighbor area?

[coarse cedar]

Alpha 2 sorry

Like I wouldn't want it over what we have now but I would want to see it

[chrome maple]

are you talking about the grey manor?

[coarse cedar]

Yes the map around that build

[chrome maple]

yeah

[coarse cedar]

Oh and by what we have now I mean HN3

[chrome maple]

it was probably mostly empty but i would LOVE to see the town in that version

[coarse cedar]

Base HN2 is fine I guess but I really don't care about it

Same for early HN2

[chrome maple]

hn2 fg is fun but not really replayable

[coarse cedar]

HN2 in general to me personally is just something that contributes so little to the main story it can either exist or it can't lol

[chrome maple]

early hn2 was fun because there was so much to do

[ripe berry]

I don't see why not...? it hardly adds anything (likely would've been a part of a Act 3) ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[coarse cedar]

But what would you even tie this to

[chrome maple]

hn2 really doesnt add much except that many of the residents of the town are cultists

[coarse cedar]

Well I look at it like this: What does Hello Neighbor 2 bring to the table that the series would NEED it to bring because other mediums didn't explore it

The only thing I can think of is Mr. Peterson hiding

And the cultist thing I suppose, but the animated series explores this

[ripe berry]

and the Aaron Trilogy

[coarse cedar]

This is true

I moreso meant the town members themselves

Like mayor

[dense raven]

Not much

[coarse cedar]

And you can't say "well Quentin exposed him" because he didn't, he took photos but Ted stole his camera and he wakes up a few days later to the house being a crime scene (likely because of Nicky)

[ripe berry]

bad example lol
the Mayor of RB is also a cultist in the Aaron Trilogy (albeit likely not the same mayor)

[coarse cedar]

Well you know what I meant

[ripe berry]

yeah

[coarse cedar]

Quentin, funnily enough, contributes more to the narrative in the animated series than his game

He saves Trinity & Nicky from the cultist

[dense raven]

Leslie and Keith are kind of neat but their characterization was revealed by Nikita in the Alpha 1 qna and nowhere else

And probably debunked if they were actually explored in modern HN

[coarse cedar]

Well Leslie has the show

Nielsen kind of has nothing outside of that

[chrome maple]

what characterization?

i dont remember anything about them pre fg other than nog simming

[ripe berry]

also there's whatever's going on in the DLCs but idk how relevant that stuff really is

[coarse cedar]

Nog Simming

[chrome maple]

thats not the alpha 1 qna

[coarse cedar]

Well yes

[chrome maple]

i was wonder what that is

[coarse cedar]

But they have character there don't they

[chrome maple]

of course

[coarse cedar]

I'm sorry if I keep pushing this but like the way DLCs are questionably important is the way the forest is to me
I just want to kind of explain that so you understand how I feel about it
I could see how it could be, but to me when I try to think of the grander narrative it makes it a lot easier to block it out, like Reset Day

Not trying to be mean sorry

[coarse cedar]

It was a story created by Ari

Questionably canon

[ripe berry]

Back to School makes sense when looking at it by itself but somehow becomes more confusing trying to link it to WtRB
meanwhile outside of theories Late Fees has basically nothing

[coarse cedar]

But I could see the characterization of Nielsen sticking

[coarse cedar]

Late fees is yikes

[dense raven]

Leslie is young, bored drinks bajillion coffees and spills it on his uniform, wants to be a big shot cop in a big shot city; Keith is just an average cop who's close to retiring, is tidy and loves his job in the more "quiet" town and they balance each other out well

[coarse cedar]

Leslie is like 40 or so now

By 1990s

[dense raven]

Ngl I missed out on Nog Simming entirely

[ripe berry]

just a bunch of loose threads for Late Fees

[coarse cedar]

It's okay you didn't miss that much

[dense raven]

I'd still wanna check it out

[ripe berry]

it still exists if you get the Archive Role from id:customize
#nog-simming

[dense raven]

Oh thanks

[limber ridge]

I don't think it's canon at all

[coarse cedar]

Me neither

The only thing I personally want to take from it is Nielsen's character

[limber ridge]

Like I think Ari confirmed it wasn't canon

I'm pretty sure.

[coarse cedar]

I think so yeah

[ripe berry]

#hello-neighbor message

[chrome maple]

i miss when they did stuff like that

i miss the entire hn2 alpha era

[coarse cedar]

I miss it but I think that's because I was younger and I didn't think about lore and stuff

So I made myself think it was less convoluted lorewise

[chrome maple]

thats probably partly why i miss it but i just miss the completely run down artstyle too

and when it felt exciting when new stuff got shown

[coarse cedar]

Well now we have Hello Neighbor 3

[chrome maple]

yeah but it doesnt feel the same to me honestly

i still really enjoy hn3 so far

[coarse cedar]

I get that but I think it's better than before

I like the character design a lot more

[chrome maple]

yeah me too

[coarse cedar]

And the new modeler is so much better I'm glad he's translating the ideas so well!

[chrome maple]

i really like the artstyle of hn3 cant wait for to see the finished assets

[coarse cedar]

Me too

[jade cargo]

why would there be 20 year timeskip randomly

[jade cargo]

That's not canon anymore bro, so I wouldn't take that in consideration

[unkempt sleet]

Why is the heart image so low quality

[ripe berry]

copy-pasting an image from a friend with a low-end laptop

[eager island]

what are you talking about at this point

[unkempt sleet]

i shall take a more high quality picture in a few hours

[ripe berry]

Act 3 of HN1 I think

[jade cargo]

Exactly

[eager island]

because theres a narrative

not for no reason at all

the game also shows that it's a timeskip

[jade cargo]

I think the 1996 arc will finish with AS S3, and then we have the storm arc that its from 2016 to 2028, but hey that's just my gane theory

[unkempt sleet]

actually nvm i just took it right now

[wanton roost]

What

[jade cargo]

Already explained this to u, HN2 P9 is a scrapped part of the story, it isn't finished and won't be finished, its not intended to have correlation with the rest of the game cause its an extra, not patt of the actual the main story

[jade cargo]

Termelon

[eager island]

it is literally planned even before launch it was meant to be part of story but they scrapped its other parts and we just got the finale

[jade cargo]

Exactly, scrapped. Doesn't have to follow the old story line because it was scrapped. And with main story I reffer to those parts of the game you gotta complete to finish the game, aka day and night 1-4

[eager island]

being scrapped doesnt mean it has to be 30 years after

and the photos in it literally implies that the events of scrapped parts happened

[dense raven]

I got no idea what Nativo is saying at this point

[ripe berry]

I personally see it, if you wanna split HN into arcs, as:
Bosco Bay would be outside of any potential arc
Peterson Arc:
HNHS, Missing Pieces, Waking Nightmare, WtRB Season 1, Buried Secrets, HN1 Acts 1-2, HNVR
Cult Arc: Bad Blood, Grave Mistakes, Puzzle Master, WtRB Season 2, WtRB Season 3, HN2 Act 1
Storm Arc: Hello Engineer, Secret Neighbor, Raven Brooks Disaster, HN2 Act 2
(idk) Arc: HN1 Acts 3-Finale, HND, HN Movie(?) Reset Day, other potential books in the future if they make any to continue RD, HN3

[limber ridge]

Ruined arc maybe? Since it's in the future, after RB would get destroyed

[ripe berry]

ight

[limber ridge]

Ahh but then GN2 and HN2 act 2 would fall under this

Modern arc could fit and would be accurate but perhaps it's kinda generic

[hazy slate]

(Me)

[ripe berry]

yep

[limber ridge]

Ehh not sure if it's exactly lore but I'll say it is...
Guess Ted is too grumpy to befriend people in HN3

[hazy slate]

(I swear I've NEVER had a good laptop.. It's either crap from the get go or breaks within a year.)

[limber ridge]

You say that as if, if it turned out you ever had a good laptop we'd pick up our pitchforks and torches lol

[ripe berry]

lol

[hazy slate]

...but that's exactly what will happen..

[limber ridge]

How do you know...

[ripe berry]

prepare for unforeseen consequences...

[limber ridge]

Are you some kind of...

Puzzle master?

[ripe berry]

perhaps they made some... Grave Mistakes...

No Bad Blood though, right?

[limber ridge]

Probably not, unless we're missing some pieces

[jade cargo]

I said arc for no reason man, I was just separating some part of the story

[jade cargo]

There's no date confirmation, it could happen 20 years after and still being the same

[jade cargo]

Do you have that 3 kids missing storm image in better quality?

[jade cargo]

What's that symistery?

[limber ridge]

Do you mean symtery?

[jade cargo]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

cut magazines from Secret Neighbor
https://tcrf.net/Secret_Neighbor_(Windows)

[limber ridge]

I forwarded some theories on what they can mean, if anything

From Mike

[jade cargo]

They seam like a scrapped version of the Raven Brooks Chronicles

[ripe berry]

probably the 90s equivalent of a clickbait article

[limber ridge]

Like yellow press lol

[jade cargo]

Like the original HN2 story (Not to be confused with the original Hello Guest story)

[neat phoenix]

the (idk) arc can be "The Memories Connected Arc"

[neat phoenix]

thats cool too

or like "Ruined Memories"

[dense raven]

oof know the feeling

[limber ridge]

If in HN1 remake, say the lore would somehow change, would that count as a retcon?

[dusty trench]

That’s your fanfic

[limber ridge]

🔥

[dusty trench]

lol

[limber ridge]

Would it be a different continuity?

[dusty trench]

If it was just elevated detail then no

[ripe berry]

I'd label it as, yeah, a retcon
it'd overwrite the original HN1

[limber ridge]

Yeah that's most sound.

[ripe berry]

but if it doesn't contradict the HN1 Remake you can still use OG HN1 for lore if they ever DO make HN1 Remake

[dusty trench]

Would it have to be a retcon tho. It kinda depends on how they use the elaborated detail.

And even then you can just say it adds onto HN1

[limber ridge]

I don't mean more detail

Just, stuff that happens gets changed in some way

[dusty trench]

Plus if they just change the story that would just be pointless

[limber ridge]

Like for example,

Idk, the rescue squad is with Nicky when he breaks in or smth

[dusty trench]

That can kinda also be elaborated detail kinda.

But it pretty much depends

[ripe berry]

I take it like this:
if they make a HN1 Remake, there'd be like a tier of canonicity thing
HN1 Remake would be more canon then OG HN1, but OG HN1 doesn't ge completely discredited

[limber ridge]

Okay then, in the intro the house gets destroyed by the Raven Brooks army and Ted, the Guest and cult team up to rebuild it or smth

/j

[dusty trench]

Exactly wim

[limber ridge]

Okay I see that

[ripe berry]

example:
OG HN1 has milk cartons that say March 1997, implying at the time HN1 was in 1997
if HN1 Remake changes the cartons to say August 1996, the remake would take priority

but if the Dlub Yaits Nightmare was missing from said remake for instance that wouldn't make it non-canon since it still exists in the OG HN1

anyways

[limber ridge]

Yes?

[dusty trench]

Bout to cook sum?

Afk

[daring saddle]

Was a remake confirmed btw? Or is this just a idea?

[limber ridge]

Kinda

[steady escarp]

@eager island so now that “the guest” is confirmed to be a killer, if we go by the theory of him being aaron, isn’t that also out of character?

For him to be a serial killer in a sense?

[dusty trench]

(I know you don’t ask lol, but) I honestly never felt too well on Guest being Aaron, it even in general feels out of character for Aaron. Unless they came up with like, a peaceful Guest? Even seeing his character growth, it just feels out of place anyways.

Like him being like, a killer, or just bad person ya know.

[eager island]

it would be but also they wouldnt just make the fake guest an random guy i think

[steady escarp]

Maybe we can chalk it up to

He simply lost his mind all alone in the forest

While still attaching his identity to the guest

Over 35 years living like that all alone would drive anyone mad

Hes just simply insane, and accepted that “He made makes bad things happen” and in the end, he embraced and became one with his own “fear”

[unkempt sleet]

I dont get why people think Ted is being summoned by the statue

it's very clear he came from behind and destroyed the statue

[rough matrix]

Ohhhh

Thanks dude!

[shell gull]

They just didn’t show his model to make it more suspenseful, it would look dumb seeing him knocking the statue down from behind. It’s that simple.

[unkempt sleet]

It's a reveal of his model, hence why they'd make it look suspenseful

[alpine crystal]

Simple Hello neighbor alpha-beta lore: •DEVIL STORYLINE• from HN1 pre-alpha to alpha 1, Neighbour (the devil) and God have made a bet on who can get more souls. protagonist is the faust, neighbor is the devil, faust sold his soul to neighbor, faust got in car crash, faust basically dies, •FAMIlY STORYLINE• in alpha 2-beta 3 our protagonist (Nicky) got evicted forced to go back to his childhood house and neighbor is the protagonist father, neighbor abuse his son. "Aroon" in this version is just the protagonist, the protagonist saves his young self from the neighbor and saves the neighbor from "the thing" representing both the trauma and cycle of abuse over the generation, then Nicky goes to the graveyard visiting the neighbor...

Buddy, this is a lore discussion

[limber ridge]

Reasons for The Neighbor to kidnap the mc throught continuities:
Pre-alpha to alpha 1 — made a bet with God on who can get more souls. He needs the protagonist's soul.
Alpha 2-beta 3 — technically not kidnapping but I'll just put it here: the generational abuse throught the neighbour's family has led to him not being the best parent either, doing stuff like putting his child in the basement.
Full game — Nicky got too close to let out.
Books — he wanted to get Aaron a friend, and in order to do that he pretty much manipulated Nicky to get that.

[keen basin]

book one is highkey the craziest

he put so much effort into it

[limber ridge]

Craziest neighbor or craziest reason?

Eh, I'd agree with both lol.

[keen basin]

both proly

yeah

[limber ridge]

Oh and AS

Forgot about that one. I wanna say he also did because they got too close but...

[keen basin]

eh

[limber ridge]

The basement was literally locked when they got there. He could have just kicked them out or smth.

[keen basin]

I would say its because they got too close but its just a much more aggressive kind of crazy neighbor

[limber ridge]

Lol imagine if it's just "aight you wanna get in the basement? To the basement you go then"
Basically he got sick of them and just decided to punish them or smth.

[keen basin]

its kinda like Full game neighbor: usually shown as a more desperate and on his last option filled with grief kind of crazy I guess
Books neighbor (for Nicky at least): just sorta whako, especially at the end
AS neighbor: kinda like the first one but he big mad all the time (also fighting a cult or something)

as the vibes they give off I guess

[limber ridge]

Would there be anything good about living in Raven Brooks lore wise?

[glacial whale]

If your lucky enough you’d get to live in a basement rent free and be kept fed

[gleaming dagger]

i dont think so

[limber ridge]

Ok I just remembered that apparently they got good pizza.

[vagrant igloo]

if you have loan sharks after you
they probably won't be able to find you if ur in raven brooks

[dense raven]

if you're in witness protection you're sent to raven brooks

[limber ridge]

Still curious as to how reset day would have played out.

Probably Piper and Delia would have met the Raven Brooks visitor(that was signed in by Enzo)

[chilly parcel]

when act 3 takes place

[chilly parcel]

souce

is it from books

[limber ridge]

Or 2015 I guess?(I go with 2017 because the date we got for that was more exact)

[limber ridge]

No. I think it was from uhh Reddit maybe?

[limber ridge]

Oh, it's YouTube

[limber ridge]

Go to YouTube "Hello Neighbor alpha 1 developer playthrough" 1:59:25 and it should be there"

[chilly parcel]

hm

[hard vector]

also the reason on why I was asking about the guest powers is because... old lore and new lore:

[limber ridge]

Old lore/new lore isn't really a thing anymore.

Everything is canon

[hard vector]

then what happened then? did they mix up?

[limber ridge]

It was never real.

The books always had differences in between the games.

[hard vector]

then what is real?

[limber ridge]

HN2 never tied that much to AS, and it barely had anything to disconnect from the other games.

[limber ridge]

Well...

It depends on what you want to view as real I suppose.

[hard vector]

???

[limber ridge]

As of now what we know is it's all different because of perspectives and "canon is a flexible term at this point"

Or not just because of perspectives but perspectives tie into it

There can still be more

[hard vector]

this is confusing

[limber ridge]

What I suggest is you just pick your canon and go with it, until it's explained at least.

Or try and figure out what is most likely and go with everything at once, you can do that too.

That's what a good amount of ppl over here on lore discussion do

[hard vector]

dude I don't think making like people's headcanon to the canon that's not a good idea

[limber ridge]

As I said, until it's explained. Or you can also do...

[limber ridge]

This

As of now we don't have a full confirmed picture

[hard vector]

omg

[unkempt sleet]

old lore new lore in 2026 wow

[limber ridge]

Yeah that stuff's dead

[unkempt sleet]

#hn3-discussion message

also about this

[limber ridge]

And has been since what? 2024?

[unkempt sleet]

I agree a lot of things make Guest look pretty supernatural

[hard vector]

I am not much into hello neighbor

[unkempt sleet]

but then you have Alex and Nikita saying he isnt supernatural which makes NO sense when you look at the media itself

Sure you can stretch some things and make stuff like HNVR metaphorical even if i also dont agree with that interperation

But i have not seen an explanation for GN2 that makes sense in the sense of that story with the details it presents

and then there's Reset Day

[hard vector]

I mean there is one possibility that, is a bad one but it could fix it which is retcon

[unkempt sleet]

which i dont think anyone even tried to make a non supernatural explanation lol

[unkempt sleet]

That one i doubt aswell because Nikita keeps saying everything is still canon

[limber ridge]

Ehh it can mostly work as symbolism really. The main problem is GN2 wasn't working with current lore. I'm pretty sure yellow press was the storyline back in the day.

[unkempt sleet]

okay but wasnt Guest supposed to a representation of the Storm back then

[hard vector]

I feel like he represents the negative side of the neighbor tho

idk

[unkempt sleet]

like stuff like this makes no sense under a non supernatural explanation

a crow legit calls Pris by name

and then you see HNVR and the dots would connect

But of course "Guest isnt supernatural" which makes everything fall apart

[limber ridge]

I don't think retcons impossible really. Like Alex said the explanation of the guest in AS won't match up with everything.

[hard vector]

for now I still think the guest some sort of negative manifestation like fnaf Eleanor with agony

[unkempt sleet]

I mean, Alex also said this, which i dunno but so far Guest in AS also seems supernatural to me

especially with these two crow appearances

[hard vector]

I feel like this specific crow will start speaking in a moment in the AS

[unkempt sleet]

YEA SAME

I really think this is meant to be Guest

[limber ridge]

One crow is just cheering. Nothing fantastical about that ngl.

The other, I guess

[unkempt sleet]

Like the Otto scene crow literally cheers up Theodore beating Otto

[brisk hearth]

I always assumed that the crow on the left is the guest

[unkempt sleet]

And goes with him when he's leaving

[hard vector]

but I will be fr now, if he can do OP powers canonically he can do OP powers

[hard vector]

also I feel like Nick in the AS will become kid guest

[unkempt sleet]

mmeh, i dont think thats gonna happen

[limber ridge]

Wasn't that one strangled by him? Might be misremembering I suppose.

[unkempt sleet]

no, there's two crows in that scene one is alive and the other is taxidermied, which is the one Theodore is stealing from Otto

[limber ridge]

I really don't think these crows are anything more fantastical than say, the act 3 house being there or the thing or the purple lightning from the Well.

[limber ridge]

And nothing that really connects them to the guest too much

[limber ridge]

Huh

I'll go look at that again

[unkempt sleet]

Watch that scene yea

Theodore is literally stealing a taxidermied crow while also an alive crow is following him

[hard vector]

also apple I was heard that the hn3 guest is not really THE guest but he is AaronGuest, is that true?

[unkempt sleet]

even cheers at him beating Otto

[unkempt sleet]

I dont know tbh, it makes sense but i think Nikita was talking about the "Legend" Guest which is the one represented in the festival and stuff like that and the literal Guest that's running around in the town

[hard vector]

also there is that one ending where the "guest" took his mask off I don't think the real one could have that

[limber ridge]

Okay so the crow just kinda flies past the door as soon as Teddy opens it

[hard vector]

also what if the real guest design more realistically to a crow than a costume?

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[limber ridge]

Yeah I wouldn't really call that it following him.

He even kinda dodges it with his head.

[unkempt sleet]

I dont know, that crow was also standing in the place of the taxidermied crow that Ted stole before Enzo bumped into it

which makes it feel like they were there together to steal the stuffed crow

[limber ridge]

The Guest working with Ted would have been pretty interesting.

[unkempt sleet]

It is something that happens in GN2 though legit

Theodore is talking to a crow in a cage

[limber ridge]

Ik

He even tries not to offend it lol

[hard vector]

yeah there is no way the guest powers are not like born with him

[limber ridge]

We see the cult work with crows though as well

Or uhh maybe that guy wasn't a crow necessarily but still

Multiple crows commanded by someone.

[unkempt sleet]

a crow whispers Pris's name, Theodore is working with a crow before he changes his mind tries to shut down the weather machine, which Guest prevents him

Then HNVR shows Guest turning into a crow

literally the whole connection is there...

[limber ridge]

Was that outside of the dimension thing?

[hard vector]

also I feel like THERE IS a chance the guest in the as is just a representation other than a character because shouldn't the cult look like this?

[unkempt sleet]

I mean, when we first start to play as Aaron i think it is outside of the dream dimension

[hard vector]

no that was real

[unkempt sleet]

Guest comes as a crow through the vent Aaron opens

[limber ridge]

You can't say for sure though.
Like yeah it's not in the dimension thing which is weird but we still have to keep in mind the Guest isn't supernatural.

[hard vector]

I mean he can still do those powers tho supernatural or not

[unkempt sleet]

That's why

[hard vector]

besides supernatural guest concept is peak

[unkempt sleet]

uh hold on

[limber ridge]

There is a chance but we don't know for sure.

[unkempt sleet]

pressed enter too early

[unkempt sleet]

That's why the "Guest was never supernatural" is so confusing cause like i look at the media and it makes it really obvious that he's meant to have at least some sort of powers, but then Nikita and Alex says otherwise

[hard vector]

I am starting to think that there is a reason for him to not be supernatural but still have powers

[limber ridge]

AS I still don't really agree but VR sure.

[unkempt sleet]

It feels like if JK Rowling said Harry Potter doesnt actually have wizard powers

[limber ridge]

I guess, as one guy on Reddit said he could have meant he doesn't have a supernatural origin but rather got powers some how?

[unkempt sleet]

AS i guess is more up to interpretation so far so i cant argue

[hard vector]

I mean I really don't want like "a evil scientist experiment" some sort explanation

the easiest and best explanation for the guest so far is just "he was born different"

[limber ridge]

I don't really understand why it matters ngl. Whether he was supernaturally cursed to get them powers or wether it was something like a chemical element or whatever

He'd still have powers.

[hard vector]

because if it is a chemical element is so out of place based on hn context

[limber ridge]

I could argue the same about a curse or some embodiment of a concept...

[hard vector]

wdym by that hello neighbor always had eldritch representations

[limber ridge]

I know it's an unpopular opinion but me personally I would prefer if the Guest was a normal guy that people took as an urban legend and attributed to him all these powers and perhaps it could all mean something for the story still, the mindsets of the characters and themes it covers.
Then again with some of this stuff it can't really mean too much.

It would feel a lot like HN1 full game and such.

Unique and right.

[hard vector]

hello neighbor is still horror tho and for an horror franchise to have like a cartoonish context would be really bad

[limber ridge]

Idk what's cartoonish about something being grounded on reality with symbolism and metaphors
But hello neighbor isn't even horror lol

It was developed and thought of as a thriller

[hard vector]

my message still stands tho

[limber ridge]

Some people at TinyBuild marketed it as a horror.

[unkempt sleet]

i dont think the urban legend is based on the Guest as a guy anymore tbh

it's the other way around with HN3

[limber ridge]

I guess in general if you'd replace the horror part with like, mature or anything.

[hard vector]

same because this is so random and never implied

[limber ridge]

Even the other way around I'd like it.

I don't really mind that either.

[alpine crystal]

HN3 Theodore is ugly

[limber ridge]

Oh this wouldn't even explain away the "guest isn't supernatural" stuff...
It can be something you believe for until the guest gets properly revealed I guess...

[dusty trench]

Not necessarily

[dusty trench]

We know part of it is representation. We don’t know the other half completely tho.

But we have some hints that point us in different views and such. All important in leading us to a main view. Also, cultist have dif design in books even the cover of GM and the badge in SN is dif from HN2 designs. But all designs of cultist are similar to Guest in many ways. SN there is a Guest skin based on cultist.

[dusty trench]

Even if one starts talking and such, while related to Guest or they may pull S&R representation, it doesn’t necessarily make it The Guest.

[dusty trench]

But it makes sense why tho.

[dusty trench]

Welllll….

[dusty trench]

Wellll…

[dusty trench]

Guest crow thing was in the dream dimension thing, and the other one partially yes and also in a blend of a distorted reality. We have a kinda symbolic spiritual and mythical meaning for that, even tie it to sci fi, we just need the full picture.

[dusty trench]

At first, and IDEA was that Theo was in a costume and Guest costume itself meant something obv. Then, another IDEA was a that and it tied to many other things too. And now we have a full picture they are sticking with, whether or not HN3 Guest identity is different or not. Or even if they represent him a different way.

[dusty trench]

Well games also pretty much have what the books do aswell. Even if you just look at games it can kinda tell you.

[dusty trench]

Well, it honestly does tbh.

[dusty trench]

It can be both be an urban legend on Guest and the traditional thing, in a way

[dusty trench]

I feel ravens and crows can tie in, not just Guest tho. Cause I feel there is a connection between all, but it doesn’t necessarily have to just be related to Guest. Also don’t know if you know this, but ravens can mimick and learn humans names btw. Which in this case is Guest watching Pris and Regina, can mean Guest has had ravens out learning about other humans for a while before they begin to learn. Or a raven just naturally learned such around, and Guest used that to an advantage.

[limber ridge]

It had some horror elements but I still think it was a bad marketing choice given that so many people came away disappointed with no horror...
Anyway that's not lore now is it

[limber ridge]

Well, the technology is what I'm mostly thinking about. 1996 vs the phones found in AS. And also the house.
And the only thing that disconnected it from other games, if that's what you mean, is iirc Aaron was dragged by the Guest or smth in VR which is a little iffy for HN2 but you can still say Guest just seperated Aaron from Nicky or smth.

[dusty trench]

Aaron was t dragged by Guest in S&R. Now maybe he was taken by Guest on some way to be away from Nicky but not in like, that way in the time period of Nicky’s escape. Maybe later on he could’ve been literally taken by Guest but in that time period he wasn’t kidnapped by Guest.

[limber ridge]

He was or he wasn't?

I don't really know because I haven't gotten to that point in the game yet so I just said what I heard from some people but if no then HN2 ties pretty seamlessly to the other games.

[dusty trench]

Not in the period of Nicky’s escape. What is means is how Aaron was willing to take a risk and sacrifice his own life for other (rescue squad and getting them to help set the events for the future to occur main thing being Nicky being free an getting over his fears and trauma), and it’s part of why that game focuses on that time period as a kinda, core in a way. Aaron in that moment wishes he cools just be with his best friend once again, but is dragged by everything else going on around him that’s holding him back from going to that freedom, and he accepts it but is still sad by it. And that’s how Guest is kind apart of that representation. Now that’s what it represents in that period and Aarons story and such, that doesn’t mean sometime after HN2 or the Guest zone stuff Aaron wasn’t taken by Guest, we just don’t have much for that rn.

[limber ridge]

Oh so Guest does take him by the end of SaR right? Just now when he meets Nicky? I know it's probably metaphorical but just asking

[limber ridge]

Oh so Guest does take him by the end of SaR right? Just now when he meets Nicky? I know it's probably metaphorical but just asking if we see that happen.

[dusty trench]

No he doesn’t kidnap Aaron in the ending time period of Nicky’s escape, maybe afterwards or like after HN2 but not when Nicky escapes (maybe when he runs away but likely not, or after HN2 like before, during, or after Guest sequence maybe but we don’t know).

[gleaming dagger]

hey guys
how long was nicky in the basement in books? same as games (2 months)?

[dusty trench]

Roughly, but AS says it’s been weeks but that doesn’t necessarily mean it has just been weeks only, as it does time skip forward and characters like Maritza seem to have lost hope which can mean it’s only been so long since then.

[limber ridge]

Unknown because we don't see him get out

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah the weeks statement, I forgot that.
I mean, weeks can still be 2 months or so.

Imagine if in the books Nicky just never got out and he's still there in reset day lol

[dusty trench]

It would be impossible but lol

[limber ridge]

Ik, I'm just kidding.

[dusty trench]

Ik

[limber ridge]

Funny enough the house in reset day is described as still having life in it or something along those lines.

[dusty trench]

I feel that is important

I talked about Reset Day Peterson house before

[limber ridge]

Probably just Peterson...or Enzo or smth

[limber ridge]

Was I here when it happened?

[dusty trench]

Idk

[limber ridge]

Was it before December?

[dusty trench]

Yea

If it was here

Idk

[limber ridge]

Okay then I didn't exist back then.

[dusty trench]

Oh

Wait, Really?

[limber ridge]

Yes as soon as December 8th stroke I came out of the womb and started reading all the books and watching the show and playing most of the games and then joined this server.

[dusty trench]

I swear you’ve been here

Huh

[limber ridge]

Lilly effect

[dusty trench]

Yea

[dusty trench]

In the best way possible

[limber ridge]

Exactly

It fits him perfectly.

[ripe berry]

Either way we knew (or should've known) at the time that that wasn't a problem

and literally all we need to prove that is to cross reference VR with HN1

VR's ending shows this in this order:
Aaron frees RS
Aaron frees Nicky
RS escape to Nicky's Treehouse
Nicky escapes Basement
Cops Arrive

HN1 Act 2 shows:
Aaron frees Nicky
Nicky escapes Basement
Nicky runs to his house, Theodore gives chase
A noise caused by someone in Theodore's house makes Theodore turn around and let Nicky escape

since VR's Ending shows the Rescue Squad having already escaped and the cops haven't visibly arrived yet by Act 2's Ending, the only option left is that Aaron did something in the house to make sure Nicky escaped

[dusty trench]

Well yea Aaron did, after he was freed by Nicky.

[limber ridge]

I guess it's possible that the Guest made the distraction but...yeah.

[night void]

I hope the Guest is the "Main Villan" if you now what I mean.

Because in the Prototypes of Hello Neighbor 3 he makes the thunder storm.

[old heron]

What if the guest is Theodore's brother

[night void]

OMG

[glacial whale]

I guest it’s possible you mean

[night void]

I think the Guest WAS a Human and become more and more to a scary creature.

Like this Godzilla thing with this costume analog horror.

[old heron]

Franklin, maybe he felt and radioactive things appeared

Btw Mayak name, when you search for it, that's a nuclear complex

[night void]

yeah

[old heron]

In Russia

[limber ridge]

It's also russian for lighthouse.

[glacial whale]

I think Franklin is the equivalent of the elephants foot but in raven brooks

[old heron]

Oh I didn't know

[night void]

The Guest is one of my favorites

[limber ridge]

Did bro become corium or smth.

[glacial whale]

That’s why no one goes into the mayak pit is because of the mass

[old heron]

The Guest is so mysterious

[night void]

What is the Fake Guest?

[limber ridge]

Uhh basically in the files of prototype 1 of HN3 the guest was called "fake guest".

I think

[night void]

From the Forest Dweller

Right?

[limber ridge]

I think so

[night void]

OK

[limber ridge]

It was likely placeholder

But

Given some of Nikita's statement, it's likely there is like

[night void]

I thought it was this new Vandal

[limber ridge]

More Guests or whatever you'd call it

[glacial whale]

What’s the average guestimate number of guests

[night void]

Like the Forest Dweller

[old heron]

Waiting for a new devlog

[night void]

wait

I see some same things.

Hello Guest and Hello Neighbor 3

[glacial whale]

Oh yea they both got arms and legs

[limber ridge]

Yeah the HN3 vandals were inspired by HG vandals

[night void]

Oh

[limber ridge]

The similarities are more noticeable if like, the Vandals from HG have a mask

[night void]

BTW I love Late NIght Shift

[glacial whale]

I just can’t see it

[night void]

Why ist the Guest in HN3 P3 looking Up

If you knnow what i mean

[glacial whale]

Like the beak?

[night void]

He's looking up

[limber ridge]

How can bro even see

[night void]

real

[limber ridge]

Is his face like looking through the sweater or smth?

[glacial whale]

Maybe he has like a rod in his neck so he can’t bend it anymore.

[night void]

Well the Forest Dweller had a ver "SPECIAL" head

[glacial whale]

Yea I don’t know man I never really thought about that one

[dusty trench]

#hello-neighbor message , this could tie in (look at the message I replied too aswell to better understand).

[night void]

NOT AGAIN!!!

[limber ridge]

Okay maybe it's like, The Guest holds his beak up, but looks through the sweater, then when he like bends down and gets on all fours he begins looking through the beak.

[dusty trench]

Yes

Right what the link said

[night void]

That sound realistic

[limber ridge]

Lol

[dusty trench]

That just shows the similar thought process in certain ways on certain topics and such, intentional or not.

[night void]

And here (How Nolstalgic )

How is he looking

[limber ridge]

Hive mind.

[limber ridge]

Here, probably just through the holes in the beak

[night void]

Trough his moutch i think

[night void]

OMG more Nostalgic and eyes!

[dusty trench]

Looks familiar

[limber ridge]

Yeah that was a weird way to say through the mouth if you're confused

[limber ridge]

Wasn't there like a statue that uhh had eyes or smth

[dusty trench]

Yes

Also

[night void]

I love the old prototype i can upload it if you want

Oh the costume

[limber ridge]

So that image drawing attention to the closed eye is very suspicious...

[night void]

How did he get so long arms and legs in HN3?

[dusty trench]

Also

[night void]

Let me think oh Costume

[dusty trench]

Further confirmation HE

Not just statue even the entrance can tie in

[night void]

How did he get those long arms and legs? I think its the costume or smth.

[dusty trench]

Even this

[limber ridge]

Ehh I don't think the costume can elongate his limbs

Or even create the illusion of that

[limber ridge]

He looks like a penguin here lol

[dusty trench]

Are you sure about the illusion part

We see symbolism of that through out all of HN

It can tie to stuff we see

In a way

[limber ridge]

I mean I don't think that the costume, excluding symbolism and stuff, can make it look like he has really long limbs.

[night void]

How can he open his mouth in HN3 its simpel but in the old school

[limber ridge]

Unless it's an animatronic or smth lol.

[dusty trench]

Yea it is just the design, but illusion symbolism can tie into the design. Or even the character in general.

[dusty trench]

Guest can open the beak previously, not just HN3.

[night void]

Ok

[dusty trench]

The only two builds where Guest beak didn’t move was in HGP and HN2 Pre Alpha.

[night void]

Ah ok

[dusty trench]

On promo for HG we see Guest beak has different positions tho in that period.

[night void]

Now I understand

Thanks

[dusty trench]

No problem

[limber ridge]

The Well is gurgling.

[dusty trench]

Almost ready for you know what…

[limber ridge]

I don't know actually.

[dusty trench]

I thought you were gonna continue lol

[limber ridge]

But thanks for being interesting.

[night void]

OK Guys. Think back. 2016

[limber ridge]

I baited you.

[dense raven]

legit why did they use that language 😭

[dusty trench]

lol

[dense raven]

Hey [very classified information that no one but them should know]

[super vague for some reason as if he's afraid someone will hear them right afterwards]

[dusty trench]

Because cult 💀✌️🥀

[limber ridge]

I'd be really surprised if Trinity heard them from that distance even.

[night void]

Wait this is a cool Fan Art

[old heron]

I hope it's Franklin

[dense raven]

I hope not

[limber ridge]

It even got the eye

I'd like to say that if Franklin was alive he'd stick with Ted through everything.

I couldn't really say that if Franklin was the Guest now could I.

My two reasons of disliking Franklin Guest

[dense raven]

Theodore is... Theodore

and then you have the Guest

[night void]

I know but Please don't hate if i'm wrong but Franklin was/is the brother from Mr.Peterson

[dense raven]

and he's just

Theodore's brother

[eager island]

hn3 guest is not franklin

[old heron]

You're right

[onyx crow]

Guys

Has HN3 lost the plot?

Cuz

[eager island]

no

[old heron]

Yeah I think too now

[dense raven]

broski it barely got ANY plot 🙏😭

[onyx crow]

Where did everyone from the old town go?

Where did the new guys even come from?!

[onyx crow]

Oh right they’re dead

But

[dense raven]

"old town" as in the location or "old town" as in old raven brooks

chief

I'll remind you

[limber ridge]

Dead or left town I guess

[dense raven]

it's like

the mid 2020s in HN3

[eager island]

when you return to town 30 years later and it's worse off than before, you cant expect the same people to be there

[dense raven]

the main timeframe for Hello Neighbor is the mid 90s.

[eager island]

2028 specifically

[onyx crow]

I am VERY glad to bring back the vandals

[dense raven]

2028 speficially

[onyx crow]

But wait

If HN2 Raven Brooks is in the 1980’s or 90’s

[dense raven]

I wish they brought back literally anyone else too from Hello Guest instead of

just vandals

[eager island]

1996

[onyx crow]

Then it all makes sense now…

So that explains the new characters

[dense raven]

yuh

[onyx crow]

Like who?

[eager island]

hn3 is still kinda doing its own thing though

[dense raven]

Beatrix, Man In The Hat

[onyx crow]

The man in the hat HAS to make a comeback

[limber ridge]

I love the choice of HN3 having no cult.

[onyx crow]

Cuz he fits right into the story

[dense raven]

but like 3 second cameos make place them in the 90s too

[onyx crow]

Same

[dense raven]

Yeah

[onyx crow]

But he’s probably dead

[dense raven]

I think he skipped town

a man of his resources, surely

[onyx crow]

I really hope he comes back

[dense raven]

having him be the character that "leads" to/reveals the path to the weather station would be neat

[onyx crow]

Nah

It’d be really cool if he was here to bring the storm

[dense raven]

why would he bring the storm? Storms kill people and he'd die in one too

[limber ridge]

Nah I don't think so.

[dense raven]

he's looking for the station in Hello Guest but I doubt it's for that

Storm comes by default

[onyx crow]

I’m sure he’d have an escape plan

[dense raven]

yeah but the town is already a hole in the ground

what's to gain

[onyx crow]

Also is Niki dead or just the Forest Dweller?

[eager island]

no

neither

actually

[onyx crow]

What

[dreamy sluice]

Nicky's house is not there at all as of prototype 3

and there is a less than 0 chance he's the forest dweller

[onyx crow]

No there is

[dreamy sluice]

It's only been 11 years after act 3

[onyx crow]

Because

[dusty trench]

Because what?

[onyx crow]

They have similarities

[dreamy sluice]

There isn't a reason for it narratively, and there's nothing tying Nicky to the Dweller aside from the most common things on earth

[onyx crow]

Which somehow connects them

[dusty trench]

Like barely, and it would be a weird plot

[dreamy sluice]

Oh, Nicky has a red shirt? and FD got red sleeves? this is gonna shock you but so does Otto

[eager island]

the guys story is over

just let him go

[dusty trench]

Doesn’t give HN1 any credit

[dreamy sluice]

and the Guest has Always had red sleeves

[dusty trench]

No point of his character growth

[dreamy sluice]

Oh, they both have jeans? So do like all characters

[onyx crow]

Like adult Niki’s clothes

[limber ridge]

Nicky dealt with his trauma and moved forward, so now he decides to dress up as the town mascot and kidnap people.

[onyx crow]

*kill

But

[dreamy sluice]

But nothing

[onyx crow]

I really hope he isn’t

[limber ridge]

I was giving the benefit of the doubt and assuming you didn't know he kills but oh.

[dusty trench]

Hmm

Even watch too

[dreamy sluice]

There is 0 shot guy is

Our Dear Dweller has a single raised sleeve

y'know who else has one of those?

quentin

[limber ridge]

Quentin has jeans iirc... Very suspicious..

[dreamy sluice]

Now you're getting it!!

[onyx crow]

No… IT CAN’T BE

NOT QUENTIN

[limber ridge]

And a hand watch.

[onyx crow]

Nah the watch is different

The guest has an Apple Watch

[limber ridge]

Okay yeah fair

[onyx crow]

But Quentin has one that is smth else

Plus

Quentin is too fat (I’m sorry for callin’ you that Quentin) to be the guest/ forest dweller

[eager island]

time to call mods

[dusty trench]

Bro, are we serious

If anything he looks like Otto…

(Don’t get any ideas)

[dense raven]

this is literally like people comparing Vanny and Vanessa and saying they're different because

reasons

[dreamy sluice]

official hn3 concept art leaked by grandeturisto trust me

[dense raven]

if you know you know

[dense raven]

honestly Quentin's beard looks ew in that concept art like it's so apparent

shave a little man

[limber ridge]

HN3 is patch 10, but not in a way we think.

[dreamy sluice]

Shave a little man? Why would you do that to him? Did he ask?

[dense raven]

no

but I'm doing it anyway

[dreamy sluice]

look at guest shoes and then look at qimbim shues....

[versed cosmos]

guys the guest is ||the guest||...

[dense raven]

guys the guest is the visitor

[dreamy sluice]

yeah visiting me

[dense raven]

Arch will never be heard from again

[dreamy sluice]

i know fella's real identity cause it and I are best friends

[limber ridge]

When you think about it the protagonist is the Guest

[dense raven]

when you think about it everyone who stole stuff from neighbor's house is the Guest

taking what he don't deserve

[limber ridge]

Yes.

Everyone and their mother is the Guest.

[onyx crow]

MY CHILDHOOD GOT RUINED

NOO

Also

What on Earth happened to Aaron?

How long has lil bro been in the basement for?

[limber ridge]

He did exit yes

And then ended up in the museum

[onyx crow]

It doesn’t make sense tho…

[limber ridge]

And then was able to leave and then sticked around just to save his father and then who knows what happened

[onyx crow]

The only explanation is that he lived a happy life

Cuz he got adopted

But that can’t be the case

[dreamy sluice]

As of hn3, Aaron, like Nicky, would be in his 40s

[dusty trench]

Did you read a fandom and or wiki 😂

[onyx crow]

Due to the neighbor still being angry

[onyx crow]

No I used logic

[dusty trench]

Oh okay better

But still

[onyx crow]

Also

Is RBO that bad?

[dreamy sluice]

if Aaron isn't dead as hell, he's prolly working at a walmart or something in the city

[onyx crow]

I got banned from my class for using this (to spam)

[onyx crow]

Oh yea the big city

[limber ridge]

Or dressing up as a beaked person and murdering people
/J it's very unlikely Aaron is the Guest

[onyx crow]

No it’s not anymore

[dusty trench]

It is very unlikely still

[limber ridge]

I think he just moved out with Quentin

[dusty trench]

Always has been unlikely

[rain sluice]

@onyx crow open your DMs, please.

[limber ridge]

It was likelier before we knew the Guest killed

[onyx crow]

The only suspects to be the guest are: Niki, Quentin and Aron

[onyx crow]

Wut why?

[dreamy sluice]

i think you'll find out if you open your dms big guy

[rain sluice]

I sent you a DM.

[dusty trench]

Roman_CaptainCam is getting kidnapped 😂

[dreamy sluice]

Aaron "i pushed my sister off a building and began age regressing" Peterson ain't killin nobody bro

[dusty trench]

This is Reset Day all over again

Jk

[onyx crow]

I’m back sorry y’all I was “dealing” with stuff

[limber ridge]

The well is gurgling

[charred wharf]

👀..

[dusty trench]

Ummm

[dreamy sluice]

DEALING?... like Cards? oh man... you're playing poker in the neighbor's basement, aren't you...

[onyx crow]

Not exactly

[charred wharf]

Shagi's great at cards, trust me

[onyx crow]

I’m playing cards with the Vandals

[charred wharf]

I just made that up we never played cards

[onyx crow]

In the neighbour’s basement