hn3-discussion

[tall sorrel]

if a HN3 character was in HN2's style they'd have normal skin tones
if a HN2 character was in HN3's style they'd have like- purple/blue/green skin

[high brook]

i hate how people think the neighbors hair is blue like its literally the lighting

[near hawk]

Also it's not a Raven Brooks exclusive

[trim reef]

Literally

[high brook]

yea and it only happens on LOW settings

high settings makes the hair not broken

[trim reef]

Image I found on Safari

[high brook]

yea

[celest plank]

greetings individuals

[trim reef]

heyy

[delicate sigil]

greetings individual

[near hawk]

Yo

[thin portal]

I wonder if Peterson will place bear traps in HN3

[lucid crescent]

Who Knows

[trim reef]

Either way, Raven Brooks clearly isn’t the same since HN2—whether it was just abandoned or not; something happened.

[delicate sigil]

Im hoping the whole residents defending their own home thing will play a large role in HN3 to begin with. I dont like the camera based gameplay in the prototypes very much

[celest plank]

im pretty sure the cameras are like

not gonna be the only obstacle

i hope

[thin portal]

let´s hope that we see more breaking and entering gameplay in future versions

[trim reef]

I wish cameras were less overpowered honestly, very hard to avoid.

[delicate sigil]

Just not sure how they're gonna manage to both have good breaking & entering gameplay and the whole other concepts at the same time (Neighbors doing activities around town)

[lucid crescent]

Will the Neighbor use different tools

[celest plank]

ye so like i just hope the cameras will be just placed by the house owners over time kinda like in the hn alphas

[trim reef]

I’m pretty sure all NPC’s can/will hold items

[celest plank]

and them being able to activate those cage things

is like what

idk how an average house of such a seemingly rural town would have such a thing

[thin portal]

the only character that is going to have some breaking and entering gameplay is the neighbor, apparently.

#hn3-discussion message

[delicate sigil]

Yeah it is a bit out of place that all the house's have like advanced security systems while some of them look like they're about to fall apart like a bunch of cards

[celest plank]

i hope its a placeholder mechanic idk

it also makes the gameplay kinda annoying

[delicate sigil]

I see, I hope they somehow make breaking & entering more fun though, the camera gimmick gets old very fast to me

They're more of an annoyance if anything imo

[celest plank]

too early to judge to be fair

its only prototype 3

[delicate sigil]

True, just with most of the neighbors being outside most of the time, I just wonder how they're gonna make the breaking & entering part interesting.

AI based puzzles could work, something such as the mayor puzzle from the hn2 beta for example

[near hawk]

That's not what that says

[celest plank]

imo thats hard to me cause the houses are pretty small and you can hardly just run away somewhere and hide in time

so them being outside instead is like idk

more possible

[delicate sigil]

I think the houses should still have a point other than "ooh im gonna walk in and try to pick up and item and hope I dont get seen by a camera so I need to wait for gates to open again" though

[thin portal]

technically, you can kinda form out that he will be staying in his hideout if he's hiding

[celest plank]

ye

[near hawk]

Yes but it doesn't say he's gonna be the only character to have breaking and entering gameplay

[thin portal]

Ahhh, then you´re right.

[delicate sigil]

Correct me if im wrong, but didnt nikita say the game would basically be like a series of 20 min loops or something?

Basically keeps looping untill you do something and then you continue to the next part?

[thin portal]

Yeah. Everythings restarts after 15-20 minutes, but the progress that you make with the story and objectives doesn't change or restart.

[delicate sigil]

I'm really happy that they chose not to reset all your progress at the end and you have to keep going back to an old save file, makes the game already seem much better, without the constant stress of "the end" coming

[untold grotto]

it still resets all of it doesnt it

[delicate sigil]

I think nikita said you keep your items or something along those lines

[untold grotto]

only the objectives are not reset in the objectives tab

[delicate sigil]

Here

[thin portal]

not all
the only thing that doesn´t reset according to Nikita is your progress with the story or objectives

[delicate sigil]

This sounds like there are multiple "loops" to me?

like after you finish a goal you move on to the next part

or wait no, he did say you could do the end right at the beginning

[severe merlin]

No. World is always the same. Nothing changes. Accept your knowledge and skill.

[fallow tide]

Nikita is mimicking Outer Wilds gameplay loop, where in each loop you find more information and it stays, because you can't forget what you learned. But the world and items reset

[lucid crescent]

Will the Neighbor have different expressions and goals

[severe merlin]

Different from what? Not sure what you mean 🙂

[mystic notch]

Would you be able to Friend the Neighbor?

[severe merlin]

No

[lucid crescent]

Like smiling and screaming etc

[fallow tide]

Hi Nikita! I'm a huge fan of Outer wilds and games alike. One thing these games sometimes miss is intentionality. Does the player know where to search for an answer to his question or does he check everything on the map until he finds it? For example if you see a model of a town in the bunker window and a tunnel starting from it. In games with good intentionality you can argue that it must lead to a basement nearby and you check the houses around to find an entrance or a clue. In games with bad intentionality you will randomly find a clue in an unrelated location. Do you consider this when you develop progression?

[lucid crescent]

Will the Neighbor be completely bonkers

[tender mulch]

Are we gonna learn about what happened to Aron Peterson in the game?

[spiral atlas]

this is true

[empty shell]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-hello-neighbor-breaking-bad-neighbor-collapse-gif-7124143540033080956

noooo....

[thin thunder]

Didn't you mention there will be no traditional "game over"?

[oblique parcel]

well Plans change and its only for the Guest

[thin thunder]

Okay

[frosty gyro]

good question,i really wanna know more of nikitas game design philosophy

[bronze phoenix]

can i make a fan made hn3 game

to add my own stuff

[calm radish]

Well we're so early anything can change

[oblique parcel]

I think Nikita himself even said some stuff has changed post prototype 3

[wild girder]

Will the Neighbor have any unique mechanics?

Kinda like how The Guest is different to the townsfolk where he stays in the dark and kills anyone who stays in the dark for too long. Will The Neighbor also have his own unique gameplay style?

[near hawk]

Well, Ted won't be just walking around the city, if that's of any help

[wild girder]

Yeah there's that. I'm just curious if there's going to be any other unique things about him.

[lucid crescent]

If he can invent robots

[severe merlin]

Absolutely correct. Session restart is not a "game over". Playing through the "loops" is just part of the game.
In prototypes, it felt like a game over when session ended. Thats was our mistake which we hopefully fixed.

[severe merlin]

We'll see

[lucid crescent]

Will you make the Neighbor some kind of a criminal

[oblique parcel]

Would be fun if for the neighbor we got more of that traditional hn gameplay

if that makes sense

[high brook]

i know you dont share dates but can we expect pre alpha to release soon? like not a set date and time but just soon

[wild girder]

Agreed. I was really missing that from Prototype 3. It just felt like there were no stakes whenever I broke into a house because the owner was out doing something else.

[severe merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/come-on-come-on-man-gif-4392993

[loud karma]

hey nikita i have a question about the forever map
what was the first area/building of the map that was designed

[thin thunder]

Ah, I see.

[tall sorrel]

everything is soon™ until said otherwise

[loud karma]

there is a good saying
"It will come out when it's ready"

[spiral quiver]

Will be released only in 2027

[lucid crescent]

Yeah

[trim reef]

You went over this is devlog 3 if I’m correct? I absolutely love this concept, it really changes tradition for games within the genre and makes the game feel less frustrating when you get caught. Speaking of devlog 3, that was a work of art—the message left me in a state I can’t even comprehend because I was just so touched by the transparency with the message, concept and focus. It really goes to show how dynamic and balanced HN3 will be.

[thin thunder]

Will there be more vandals?

[lucid crescent]

3 isn't enough for you

[empty shell]

I suppose we can't gift him any items then, right?

[wild girder]

Imagine how funny it would be if we could disguise ourselves as a scarecrow to terrify The Guest.

[mighty orchid]

By gift I’ll be throwing items at him if he won’t accept my friendship

[severe merlin]

That's actually one of the things that we fixing.
There are many plans, and some will be in pre-Alpha.
Now characters will be less "running around" be more focused on their tasks, which lead to hanging around at locations a bit more.
And we implements first simple iteration of looking for intruder. In P3, when character loses you in their home, the forget about you immediately. Now hey will look for intruder in close surrounding when intruder managed to hide. Its still in its infancy, but it's there.
This brings more of that HN gameplay

[oblique parcel]

YES

thats what i wanted

[trim reef]

I actually think it’s a pretty important question because in devlog 3 it mentioned that they wanted to add more characters to the cycle in the future once they find a way to make it run smoothly with several characters. We don’t know if that includes more vandals, so thats a great thing to keep in the loop.

[severe merlin]

Probably not

[trim reef]

Oop i stand corrected

[low gate]

How will The Neighbor differ in relationship with the player? As most characters have Enemy/Stranger/Friend

[loud karma]

The characters being suspicious that you or another intruder is in the property is back
a system that was only in HN1, because if they see something that has moved without their involvement, they get suspicious that someone else is inside
HN2 originally had that gimmick but everyone knows what happened

[spiral quiver]

I remember the mechanic where Jacob could call Januz for help, and Januz could also call. Will there be interactions from the helper?

[high brook]

i think hn3 could have generic citizens if there isnt any room for more main characters

like how in alpha 2 of hn2 there was just suppost to be a bunch of vandals running around

[oblique parcel]

no i dont think thats something they want

[spiral quiver]

I think I forgot name of the baker

[oblique parcel]

they all should feel unique

[calm radish]

Breaking News

[trim reef]

The thing about that would be they wouldn’t just be generic—they would have complex systems like main characters which would totally ruin the playability of the game.

[delicate sigil]

Something that just bothers me is that this town looks like a town that should have maybe 100 residents or something with how many buildings there are but then theres only a handful, it just doesn't match the environment which feels a little immersion breaking

[near hawk]

It is supposed to be a ghost town after all

[loud karma]

when it comes to characters roaming around the map
we don't need random generic citizens
just main characters and side characters
side characters can interact with main characters
The Neighbor of course fits main character status because well, he's the Neighbor
and Iris more fits being a side character (in prototype 3 anyways)

[velvet crane]

Are we able to be friend with the guest?

[loud karma]

Like they are there story wise, but they aren't the main focus

[severe merlin]

Nope

[wild girder]

Nikita did say that they're going to add or remove characters and buildings if they're not needed or are too hard to implement.

[narrow gust]

Are they going to be able to search for intruders in wardrobes or any other hiding spots?

[stone elk]

where did we hear all these hn2 plans?

[fallow tide]

I actually liked how you have to escape the Guest's house in different ways in P3. And in the lategame it's sometimes better to get caught to get into the park faster. I hope you will reuse escape mechanics for some other characters, like Coned or the Neighbor

[high brook]

it was kinda a thing in HG so im assuming it was also in alpha 2

[loud karma]

the historian gonna need more than a cane if she looks for an intruder under a bed or a table

[trim reef]

Are we gonna be able to defend ourselves against characters when we are caught trespassing?

[oblique parcel]

i hope not too much defense tbh i would rather sneak around than actively fight characters

[thin thunder]

Nikita did mention they were aiming for 15-20 characters by the end of development.

[hoary heath]

In files normal people see guest as enemy but vandals see as friend
but guest sees everyone as enemy
is intentional have reason?

[delicate sigil]

I think that was really outdated though, im not sure

wasn't that something that was said at the very beginning of hn3

[untold grotto]

the game itself explains it in a way

[lucid crescent]

Who knows

[thin thunder]

That is right.

It was in devlog 2 I think

[trim reef]

Devlog 3

[untold grotto]

its have been said many times

[bold siren]

I wonder when will get another finished desing

[untold grotto]

we do know piotr (EGS's character modeller) is busy with player character and then he will move to janusz

[lucid crescent]

Yeah

[thin thunder]

Is there a possibility of quentin being in the game?

[thin portal]

I hope GOAP helps making chasing and searching more fun, since with it the NPC´s have actual knowledge of stuff like doors, latches, windows and other objects (like you said in devlog 3)

[bold siren]

Aahh, I thought it would be cool to have a vandals with a stoplight in his head, and like if he's friends with you he lights up the green light, if youre neutral the yellow and if youre enemies the red one. And when knocked out all the lights went off

[wild girder]

Don't bother asking those questions because he won't answer them because that would be spoilers.

[lucid crescent]

Perhaps not

[untold grotto]

#hn3-discussion message

[hoary heath]

Will character custimaziton from rbo will back?

[lucid crescent]

Nope

[bold siren]

Something like this

[hoary heath]

How you know

[lucid crescent]

There's no customization in Hello Neighbor 1 or 2

[hoary heath]

But there was in rbo

[wild girder]

RBO was the original online multiplayer game before they scrapped it. Because the game is just single player now. There's no need for any sort of character customisation because nobody will see it. It's like dressing up in a fancy outfit for a party with no people or mirrors.

[hoary heath]

RBO was always hn3 bro

[wild girder]

The parts of your character which you will see would be your arms and legs. (Unless you're using the RC car)

[peak solar]

I'm happy that a balance is being found for characters wandering and being at home

[wild girder]

You get what I mean. It was the original multiplayer concept before they scrapped it and turned it into HN3, focusing solely on the single player.

Speaking of RBO. Something which I would love but I highly doubt they'll be able to do is an option to play the game with friends. Kinda like how some single player adventure games have multiplayer options for the story mode like Smash Brawl or Mario 3D World.

[earnest cape]

Wait so your saying characters will now have a “Hunt mode” like in the past games and will now actually search hiding spots and areas before switching back to their normal mode? If so I’m glad that’s finally implemented.

[oblique parcel]

im not nikita obv but yes im pretty sure thats what he means

[earnest cape]

I’m really glad we’re getting that more HN style gameplay while having the HN3 concept. I wonder if we will start to see the characters get more advanced as well while still being a system.

[severe merlin]

They currently do not search hiding spots. Just look around the rooms

[spiral atlas]

Is there anything else like that coming to Pre-Alpha you can share?

[earnest cape]

Hmmm do they have animations that indicate that they are looking around? Or do they just walk into the room move around and leave?

[meager walrus]

what if like in the abandoned houses theres like weird sounds that sound like the minecraft caves i wonder

[restive oxide]

it doesn't really fit
mostly since the way you are describing it is as if the stoplight is LITERALLY his head
which would make no sense

compared to every other character

[bold siren]

I mean like Coned, he has the traffic light like a helmet

[restive oxide]

traffic lights are also like
huge

[bold siren]

He could be a big boy

The muscles of the group

[restive oxide]

no i mean like
really huge

like 2ft tall

[bold siren]

No all traffic lights are that big man

[restive oxide]

imagine wearing a 2.5ft tall traffic light as a helmet

30 pounds on yo head

[bold siren]

Man, do you remember the guy in the house bigger than the door in the proto 1 menu?

[restive oxide]

you mean the guest who probably isn't even human, considering he runs 12 miles per hour on all fours, is 8 foot tall, and lives in the forest

[fallow tide]

Btw, some ideas for new HN3 characters I drew (it's sad we're not getting new vandals)

[bold siren]

Look at this traffic light, it isn't too big

[restive oxide]

yea but it's also too small to wear

[bold siren]

Man, it doesn't have to be this specific traffic light, it can be wider

[restive oxide]

🤼‍♂️

[fallow tide]

Sounds cool

[fallow tide]

And happy mode

[bold siren]

I thought of him with the 3 lights, but very cool sketches, much better that what I could do xd

[fallow tide]

Thanks! I think 2 works better design-wise, looks like he has a big jaw in angry mode or a big forehead in happy mode

[chrome sun]

How old would Quentin be in this time?

[lucid crescent]

Who knows

[trim reef]

We don’t know if we are playing as Quentin

[peak solar]

the only characters I can see coming back is like

Diane if the graveyard exists technically

[trim reef]

Aaron

[peak solar]

what are you talking about

he's already in the game

: )

[trim reef]

wait im slow, where?

[trim reef]

The Guest is Aaron?

[peak solar]

No but seriously, Nikita's answer to this question is probably weirder, but more interesting

if he chooses to answer it in HN3, who knows

probably?

[untold grotto]

probably forest dweller is

[trim reef]

quiet chat today

[near meadow]

A killer too….

[bold siren]

You know, I also believe this. It makes sense. Aaron probably become the guest, and Theodore, a long with the vandals, wants to do the guest ritual so Isaac becomes the new guest and free his son

[haughty tide]

A different kind of killer.

[urban badge]

I think nikkita will kill off the neighbor hn 3 and then reincarnate him for hn 4 if hn 3 fails

[haughty tide]

sounds like a interesting idea.

[oblique parcel]

i think he will

i dont see why he wouldnt or at least give hints

[chrome sun]

Idk why a lot of people think the Neighbor has blue hair even though it was a bug.

[haughty tide]

Yeah I don't know how that bug could get in there?

[celest plank]

who is diane??? 😭

oh yeah mate

[near meadow]

Ig its confirmed there is already a fixed date

For pre alpha release

Since nikita doesn’t wanna reveal it, its gonna be another surprise this time

[finite carbon]

Theodore’s dead wife

[near meadow]

Only way we figuring it out its THE day is via steam db

[finite carbon]

It’d be cool if they added a graveyard location into the HN3 map.

[near hawk]

I don't think so

[haughty tide]

i don't know if that location would serve purpose in the game but it would be nice to see one in there.

[untold grotto]

nikita said its classified

[near meadow]

That means its very soon

I don’t think he’d hype it up like that for no reason

And it’d be funny if it was on the same date prototype 1 releaed

[celest plank]

i dont think itll be out anytime soon

it took like 5 months for prototype 3

[finite carbon]

It’d be fire if HN3 was actually scary.

[untold grotto]

because it was pratically making everything from scratch

pre alpha may not be that soon but its soon for sure

[lavish ravine]

he looks like a nice dude

[wild girder]

They are changing up The Guest's gameplay to make it more scary when encountering him.

[peak solar]

HN3 is eerie in the sense of a liminal space

The Guest is very clearly the only thing different so far

I wonder what made him decide to focus on that?

[thin portal]

I don´t know but I love that they are trying to make the guest more scarier.

[winged jungle]

I want hn3 to look more like the pictures we got after s2

[wild girder]

At the current moment. I'm not finding it very eerie at the moment. The current look of the grass and bushes make it too cozy and homely. The plant life in the steam images make it look a lot more unnerving, eerie and ghostly.

[peak solar]

it's interesting that it goes from "homely, yet eerie town based off the childhood town I lived in myself that no longer exists in the form I remember"

to

"there is a creature in the forest that is going to kill you."

[hoary heath]

What picture

[winged jungle]

That's the type of 'Eerie' I would want

[winged jungle]

on steam pgd

Page

[peak solar]

it's kind of funny actually

[wild girder]

These pictures and I agree. I am really wanting it to look like this. (Btw, the qr code is for the steam page)

[winged jungle]

The graphics looks better here

[thin portal]

It was one of the things I suggested in the P3 feedback survey, so glad there was more people that thought like me and that Nikita and EGS are taking it into account

[hoary heath]

I think they update steam page when they release pre alpha

[wild girder]

My fingers are crossed that this is how it's going to look further down the line but tbh, I'm starting to lose hope.

[winged jungle]

I put something like that too

[winged jungle]

We all hope

Now it's more yellowy

[hoary heath]

Who write this i wonder for long time

And it have confirmed lore

[winged jungle]

Nikita said he wanted to get this same look

[wild girder]

I'm not really a big fan of the yellowy look, it makes it look too cozy and safe, I much prefer the dirty, overgrown and muddy look of the environment. It makes it look more mysterious and dangerous.

[winged jungle]

Yeah, it makes it feel dry

[wild girder]

You mean the steam image look or the current look? If the steam image look, can you show me when he said that?

[peak solar]

To be fair, the town itself doesn't really need to look "dangerous"

[winged jungle]

On dc he said

[thin portal]

Didn´t Nikita respond with a crossed fingers emoji when asked if they would go for that vibe in HN3?

[winged jungle]

One sec

[peak solar]

the danger is in the fact it's already falling apart, and a storm is going to wipe everything out

[wild girder]

What I meant was dangerous to be in the Forrest because it actually looks dark and creepy in there given that there's literally a being that will kill you lurking in there.

[winged jungle]

I couldn't find it

[winged jungle]

Btw, he was talking abt the steam pages

[wild girder]

That has officially restored my hope!

[winged jungle]

It's kinda going downhill rn

Pre alpha still looks the same as p3

[wild girder]

It is a pre-alpha so it can Very easily change later on. In HN1, the environmental look didn't change until alpha 4

[winged jungle]

Yea true

[opaque summit]

and the pre alpha isnt even finished yet

they can still change it

[winged jungle]

I hope it comes out this month

But I doubt it

[peak solar]

a lot can change if you finalize assets and post processing

[wild girder]

I'm not fussed when it comes out. The longer it takes = the better it is.

[peak solar]

I don't really think much needs to change if you want that look

[woven lodge]

Pre-Alpha on Christmas!

[wild girder]

XD

[hoary heath]

Stop ragebait @woven lodge

[winged jungle]

NOO

[unborn fox]

You're actually getting raigebaited 😭✌️

[winged jungle]

Next karvilax

[unborn fox]

There can only be 1

[winged jungle]

Yeah

The og

[hoary heath]

Who these

[winged jungle]

Guest killed them

[wild girder]

We don't know yet

[woven lodge]

On Christmas? 🤔

[tall sorrel]

one looks like Franklin from WtRB

[hoary heath]

Why there 2 isaac btw?

[wild girder]

Huh?

[hoary heath]

Because there old poster and new poster isaac

[opaque summit]

the old poster

[woven lodge]

It's a Christmas miracle!

[opaque summit]

its old

[wild girder]

Oh. Probably just a leftover asset that they haven't removed yet.

[winged jungle]

Yes

[hoary heath]

It old but it still in

[peak solar]

I think Isaac's old poster was before they had a full idea of who the character really was

I think all they had back then was "someone goes missing before you arrive"

[woven lodge]

Or Issac is named after the other Issac.

[hoary heath]

There 2 isaac

[tall sorrel]

and then they made him a 10 year old kid who the vandals try to sacrifice for the funnies

[hoary heath]

Big isaac and little isaac i think

[opaque summit]

isaac jr

[woven lodge]

Old Issac is the guest, and the reason new Issac is being captured is because they are necessary to make the guest stronger or smth idk.

[hoary heath]

Bro you just ragebait please stop

This chat is serious

[opaque summit]

Bro you just ragebait please dont stop

[woven lodge]

That's why new Issac was so surprised when ||the guest took off his beak thing.||

[hoary heath]

@woven lodge

[peak solar]

I do think it's interesting that The Guest so far is the only character who is obviously an active threat

or at least the most dangerous one in town

[near hawk]

Me personally I think it's two random people but if no, the guy on the left could be Franklin

[urban badge]

Why did my text get deleted is this 1984

[near hawk]

And the gal can be... Uhh idk honestly. The other ppl that could have vanished around the time of Franklin are HW incident kids but the girl looks too old for that

They could just add a random character that disappeared in the Mayak in any case yes. I think that's who they are either way

[nocturne jacinth]

this is what we like to see, 4 Eerie devs online

https://klipy.com/gifs/hello-guest-hello-neighbor-1

[hoary heath]

Wdym @nocturne jacinth

[finite carbon]

Hey Nikita, Could we get a new teaser for the pre-alpha?

[primal wedge]

no

[nocturne jacinth]

i wish

[trim reef]

Do we know if they even have a full prealpha yet? We shouldn’t rush them for something they cant give

[nocturne jacinth]

It'll drop eventually. The gap between devlogs 2 and 3 was around 8 months and devlog 3 came out only 3 months ago

[trim reef]

So approx like july for devlog 4

[nocturne jacinth]

thats my guess

[woven lodge]

My guess is Christmas.

[woven lodge]

We shouldn't rush them that fast.

[nocturne jacinth]

I wouldn't say thats rushing

[trim reef]

Were going based off previous scheduling

[woven lodge]

The Pre-Alpha is fairly different from the prototypes though.

[trim reef]

@woven lodge

[nocturne jacinth]

Nakita said that he hopes to make more frequent updates for the community

[woven lodge]

It's also obvious that from the video Nikita shown earlier that the Pre-Alpha isn't much different from prototype 3.

[trim reef]

But like they KNOW what they want so it’ll be easier than with HN2 with the differences between the alphas and the full game

[nocturne jacinth]

What video?

[woven lodge]

^

Wait a damn minute... There is a secret server, with a Nikita pointing emoji?!

[trim reef]

It’s 99% a developer only server

[nocturne jacinth]

Im not able to tell, does jacob have the updated model and textures in the video?

[trim reef]

Off topic, is this made in Unity or Unreal?

[nocturne jacinth]

unreal

what did you guys think of p3?

[meager walrus]

every main hn game is made in unreal

sn is probably like the only game made in unity

[mighty orchid]

It was so unreal. Get what I did there? Isn’t that funny

[trim reef]

It was great for the most part

[nocturne jacinth]

knee slapper

My problems with p3 are already being solved and fixed in pre-alpha so thats good

like how the neighbors will actually do things

not just die

It feels like items are scattered everywhere on the map making it almost to easy to find equipment. I wonder if this will be adjusted or balanced later into development? this may be intentional so the player is more focused on redirecting the course of the NPC's.

[untold grotto]

its nikitas server

[stone elk]

Really wanna be able to read the article

[stone elk]

Only I can use that move🥺

[raven pilot]

i dont understand a lot of game development but why the npcs have hold animations and our character dont?

[untold grotto]

because our character is just placeholder

and theres no point to have some animations for placeholder

in pre alpha there will be player character which is final

[raven pilot]

thats cool

[stone elk]

Unreal engine allows you to use same animations for diffrent models tho as long as rig is same

[bold siren]

Um, that video was showed some days ago

[opaque summit]

maybe you should read

[bold siren]

Oh, wait, why my discord showed me something from days ago?

[opaque summit]

he didnt just send the video

[raven pilot]

i like how all the prototype maps have the same thing of a big space in the middle and structures surrounding it

[bold siren]

I'm saying that discord for some reason sent me to 13 days ago on this chat, I just entered and thought it was new because I wasn't there 13 ago

[untold grotto]

that was a screenshot of that message

[hoary heath]

Unreal

[bold siren]

Bruh, you're not understanding

[stone elk]

Perhaps in hello neighbor 3 the Neighbor supplies the other civillians with traps and home security to protect from vandals cus he is the only engineer type of guy

[near hawk]

He's hiding from the town.

[stone elk]

we know this?

[near hawk]

Yes

[stone elk]

oh👀 👀

[wild girder]

Looks like I came back on at the perfect time

[severe merlin]

Because it’s easier to do.
Now all NPC have one pose for all items. It looks okay for now, but looks really bad up close.
First person animation got to be good and specific for every item. And since we have only one animator, at this stage we ask ourselves what be really useful now. And detailed first person animations are lower priority than generic animation for NPC.
Also items are not final, and after they going to change, animations might require changes. This is a luxury we don’t have.
Also we only now are getting actual player model.

[raven pilot]

ohhh, that makes sense, the npcs animations does look strange with some items (mainly the big ones)

[wild girder]

Can you confirm something for me? Earlier, some of us where talking about whether or not the game's visual look will be closer to the steam images in later builds and somebody said that you were wanting to get that same look. Can you confirm that or not?

[trim reef]

I think imo it might be a mix of what we have now and hn2 alpha 1/1.5 (style wise)

[wild girder]

Tbh. That's kinda what the steam images look like

[stone elk]

You say "currently" whenever you mention the ammount of people working on the game does this mean that mean that TinyBuild could get more people on Hello Neighbor 3 if hype starts to grow like crazy allowing you to create something closer to your vision?

[trim reef]

I think thats typically how it works

You kinda need to lock in an audience before getting funds for something

[stone elk]

Yeah I would assume so however Hello Neighbor original was gaining massive hype and yet there was only 5 people working on that for what I assume to be the entire duration

[trim reef]

Well also all due respect but HN1 was a lower quality game than HN2&3 making it “easier” to have a smaller team

[humble zephyr]

hi

[stone elk]

It didnt have to be "lower quality" there could have been more resources applied to development

[trim reef]

ig

[humble zephyr]

ok bye jej

[trim reef]

bye kevzz

[wild girder]

I'm really antsy about whether or not the game's visual look will match the steam screenshots in later builds because
1: I don't think there has been a concrete answer yet.
2: It just looks so good and I'm really hoping it will have that visual look but I'm starting to lose hope that it will.

[loud karma]

hope we get a sneak peek of the player's design in hn3 by the end of the month

[raven pilot]

5 days

[lucid crescent]

Will the concept art be shown alongside with the 3d Model of Protagonist.

[severe merlin]

Old steam screenshots are not the best representation of the style. P3 is closer to that vision and we are making it even stronger, since what we had in P3 is a forever map.

[wild girder]

Well. As much as I was hoping those screenshots would be what the game would eventually look like, I'm glad to finally have some closure.

[peak solar]

it seems like this is one of those things that could be addressed later down the line if there's no time to implement it on launch

[lavish ravine]

Question not related to HN3: In your free time (if you ever have any free time), do you play any games of a different type? Or games with a specific theme?

[raven pilot]

i think proto3 map is a lot more colorful than the steam screenshots, they used rbo textures in those pictures right?

[peak solar]

actually, I do wonder what games nikita usually ends up playing

[wild girder]

If I ever end up getting the opportunity to make my own open world game. I might go for the visual style of those screenshots.

[finite carbon]

Gonna be so honest, Those screenshots are more eerie than any other HN3 content we’ve seen.

I’m really hoping HN3 doesn’t turn out to be an over sanitized game on full release.

[wild girder]

What do you mean by sanitized?

[night vigil]

is the steam page gonna get updated at some point, or some time in the future?

[wild girder]

I gotta disagree here. I wouldn't say either looks more or less eerie. They both look cozy during the day and creepy and eerie at night. Just in different ways, The way in prototype 3 feels more like a strangely familiar town that's slowly being forgotten and on the brink of destruction. In the steam images it feels more like a post apocalyptic remains of a once thriving town. At least that's my interpretation of it.

I could go further in detail about it but i don't want to make this channel go completely off-topic.

[finite carbon]

You know how HN1 became slowly less eerie build by build?

That’s a pretty good example of sanitizing a game intended to be dark and eerie.

It happened for both HN1 and HN2

[wild girder]

Nikita has confirmed that HN1 was always meant to have that bright and colourful look and was never meant to be entirely horror, it just came across that way because he didn't know how to explain his vision for the art style which ended up causing the Pre-Alpha and alpha 1 to have that vibe.

From what I remember, it was meant to be closer to what Don't Hug Me I'm Scared was where it's all bright and colourful on the surface but it's pretty dark and sinister underneath. Except just in a more toned down way.

[finite carbon]

Thing is they failed at that hybrid entirely

A large majority of the game was just colorful

[wild girder]

I disagree. I think they did it pretty well considering what it was going for.

[finite carbon]

Nikita admitted himself that HN1 wasn’t how he envisioned it.

[wild girder]

I think that's more in terms of the actual gameplay. Not the game's style and story but I'm not Nikita so I wouldn't know entirely. I'm just going of what he has said in the past in an interview.

[winged jungle]

Bruh

I swear I remember Nikita replying to someone who asked the same question, and he replied with a fingers crossed gif

[winged jungle]

Or react with fingers crossed

But it was before p3

[wild girder]

I believe the question that person asked was if the game would have a similar vibe to a steam image of an interior of a house, not what the game's overall visual style of the environment would be.

I'm not really good at explaining this stuff.

[winged jungle]

Probably

But this was before p3

[winged jungle]

Personally, I would've liked hn3 more if it was similar to the steam page. It gives more of that 'eerie vibe'

[wild girder]

I don't think either is less or more eerie than the other. They both look cozy in the day and eerie and creepy at night but in different ways.

[winged jungle]

Ig so

[wild girder]

I just personally preferred how it felt in the Steam images but. It is what it is. Besides, there's much more to the game than its visual look.

[winged jungle]

Like these just look Insane, for me, the artstyle is slightly better then what we have now

[wild girder]

The only thing I really care about now in terms of the game's visual aspects are whether or not our character will be wearing gloves.

[winged jungle]

Theo...

[wild girder]

What do you mean?

[winged jungle]

The gloves

Theo isn't wearing gloves

[wild girder]

I was referring to the character that we're gonna be playing as.

[winged jungle]

He's a nice happy man now

Jk

[winged jungle]

Bruh

I wonder if it's going to be a boy or girl

[lucid crescent]

Who Knows

[winged jungle]

I want it to be a boy tbh

[wild girder]

I kinda have this mental checklist of things I'm anticipating for the game.

Most of the things have been answered at this point.

[lucid crescent]

Same

[wild girder]

I'm kinda hoping their design is more gender fluid/neutral, that way anyone can kinda envision themselves as the character, that's why I'm hoping they're wearing gloves.

[winged jungle]

Nikita replied to smth like that

[wild girder]

What did he say?

[wild girder]

Well. As long as they have gloves, I'll still be happy.

[finite carbon]

I was hoping the same thing, A gender fluid protagonist would be great!

[raven pilot]

like in undertale?

[wild girder]

Kinda but more in a sense where more of their physical appearance is hidden like their face and hands.

[raven pilot]

thats cool and can probaly work depending in what the devs want to do with the player

[wild girder]

I know that our character is meant to have their own story but I still think it would be cool if they at least gave them gloves so we can somewhat picture ourselves as the character as we're playing the game.

[lucid crescent]

Why gloves

[raven pilot]

yeah, what about instead of gloves they could make our character a non skin color like the other characters? it fits the artstyle

[wild girder]

I honestly don't know. I think it's just a small little visual thing I like with first person characters. It's impossible to make a first person character whose hands will match the player's hands so giving them gloves will allow anyone to picture themselves as that character to a degree.

[trim reef]

I’m not grasping this

It’s not impossible to recreate hands, gloves are just an optional accessory they don’t act as a diverse trait. I’d even go to say it de-characterizes the player even more than just making the “hands match the players hands” All due respect

[wild girder]

I donno. It's just a small little thing I like in First person games. I wouldn't be too bothered if the protagonist doesn't wear gloves but I would love it if they do.

[sleek moat]

Where is this from like what’s the full image

[formal solar]

Nikita just randomly sent the cropped image in a discussion about the neighbors skin color #hn3-discussion message

[high brook]

i hope we get tthe full image

i wanna see the official in engine render of him

[trim reef]

for 129k members why is chat so dry

[opaque summit]

cuz theres not much to talk about really

[stone elk]

Hot take hello neighbor is the only modern "horror" game with gameplay

Hello neighbor is also the only modern "horror" game trying interesting new things

[woven lodge]

Hot take Hello Neighbor is the only game.

[cunning yacht]

Hot take I think I love pizza.

[timid berry]

damn in p3 when we arrived at hotel, there was notes of staff for us, but that means at least on of them was alive recently, cud be interesting to find out what happened wis them, and where Guest hides all bodies, if he really k1lls them(a dont think he eat them, hes not look like cannibal)

[timid berry]

if, plot part of us arriving toi hotel will be in final game, cuz i wonder what plot Nikita created for player

[gentle carbon]

I mean wasn't it said he kills but like "not in the way you think" or something

I dont really remember, but maybe they are sacrificed or something

[severe merlin]

Fingers crossed, hopefully it’s also going to be actually fun to play

[oblique parcel]

i think one of the biggest issue with previous games like lets say hn1 and the hn2 alphas is that it expects you to know more than you do when it comes to stuff like puzzles

cause i find hn3 protoypes interesting BUT its pretty confusing to play so you usually end up looking up a playthrough which takes away the fun for me but i think you said thats being fixed with future builds iirc?

Hello Neighbor is a super fun concept Its just that some issues previous games have suffered from needs to be ironed out

Hn2 did make Things more easier to understand when it comes to the gameplay but it was too restrictive and lacked the freedom Many liked

[gentle carbon]

I think HN1 basically just becomes do a random thing somewhere and then check every room in the house to see if something randomly changed

HN2 is way more clear

Basically just a big puzzle game

[oblique parcel]

Yeah hn1 act 3 made me rage quit lol

[gentle carbon]

I only beat it because I had a vague idea of what to do from watching people play it years ago

I knew how to do all but one puzzle

[oblique parcel]

Also this had been Said to death but i also disliked how hn1 focused more on puzzles and parkour rather than Stealth and AI

I personally don’t Even really care for parkour that much so i hope its not TOO big of a focus in hn3

[gentle carbon]

Big thing I feel like its missing right now is stealth

[oblique parcel]

Agreed

Stealth to me is a major part of hn gameplay identity Even if its Never been executed that well

But yeah one of my biggest issues with Prototype 3 was that it felt too much like a town simulation game where character’s Walk around rather than a full on hello Neighbor game

There needs to be a better balance in future builds

[high brook]

I think this is the point of it being a sandbox

[near meadow]

Didn’t you say the aim wont be horror anymore?

The game so far really sounds like majora’s mask after replaying it. But also, you said outer wilds. So I assume its a mix of both

Fixed events happens and only player can make changes

In majoras mask you’d reset the time and there would he specific events that happen, where you’d memorize it, and try to make changes to said events

Memorizing each time period, and then executing plans

[stone elk]

Agree

[severe merlin]

It never was. Why you asking?

[finite carbon]

Hey Nikita, I have a question about the HN franchise. What are your thoughts and opinions about people classifying Hello Neighbor as a mascot horror game? Is it intended to be? Or is it unintended?

[gentle carbon]

how..... how?

[stone elk]

I put it as "horror" just cus that is what the avrage person will categorize the game as since that was what the original game was hyped up as

[modest elm]

что по 4 прототипу ?

[stone elk]

"Pre Alpha" WIP

[gentle carbon]

Im like 95% sure thats what they are going for

[stone elk]

thats already what they are doing

[finite carbon]

I’m aware

Although the scary and eerie elements have to be worked on a bit.

[near meadow]

I apologize I thought you were agreeing with the other dude that said it was a horroor game

[near meadow]

Mb

[severe merlin]

There was a quotation marks, though

[earnest cape]

Most game series just slap the same formula for each game most of the time. You rarely ever see franchises evolve that formula each new installment. Started off with the basic formula of breaking into your neighbors home to find out his secrets in HN1 with a sandbox world, then went to HN2 where now you need to break into multiple homes and locations of a whole town to help the Neighbors son and find out the secrets of the residents in a now stealth focused gameplay, and now in HN3 the formula has jumped to where the whole town is explorable and the entire town is effected by your actions as you learn and play as a huge sandbox where you can play any way you want as you progress.

[earnest cape]

PLEASE that’s the main reason why I love HN2 so much is how good the stealth was. It needs to be implemented to the game.

[empty shell]

I wish we could befriend the Neighbor

[stone elk]

Nikita said that this will already be improved in pre alpha with npcs searching their homes if they think there is an intruder

[earnest cape]

True but it’s only in early stages. I’d love to see some more stealth options added with more resourceful hiding spots and items.

[stone elk]

Hello Neighbor 2 didnt have that many stealth mecanics from what I can remember, basically just closets🤔

[oblique parcel]

Hn2 has the best stealth out of any hn game but it still wasn’t that good tbh

Mostly Cause the ai was pretty bad

[near hawk]

And also because of the linearity

[stone elk]

I mean no🤔 But kinda

[earnest cape]

The camera monitor, the paint cans, trash bags and alarm clocks, being able to hide under furniture and in closets. It’s pretty good stealth if you ask me. Made the game very fun to try to outmaneuver the AI.

[stone elk]

One reason it feels better in hello neighbor 2 is the less huge spotting radius and the fact that there is a suspect seeing someone functionality before the spot funcitonality while in hello neighbor you are screwed as soon as you see the guy

[gentle carbon]

in my playthroughs, I always found Theo to be the specifically worse ai, I think the main thing is just the level design, too enclosed for most or something

like the bakery

[oblique parcel]

Yeah Theodore was the Worst ai next to Otto in hn2 Ngl

[near hawk]

Meanwhile in HN1 it's too big and Ted struggled to get to many places.
The reverse issue.

[stone elk]

I felt it was just too static like open this "door" and the bell rings gives you time to go in this area, everything felt so "layed out" no self thinking

[gentle carbon]

I found Otto to be the best ai, but he's in the most enclosed and tight level of them all, he was one of the few I felt like had good patrol pathing

never really knew where he was

[stone elk]

At the same time it makses you feel kinda smart the first few times but then it just feels worse

[gentle carbon]

Otto was okay until I happened to go down the wrong stairs, or happened to be in the room he was going into, or happened to be in the house with him at all

also yeah the layed put thing too

[oblique parcel]

Best way to describe hn2 ai is

Scripted

[gentle carbon]

yep

[oblique parcel]

It doesnt feel natural at all to play against

[gentle carbon]

which is funnily enough the opposite of what they said it would be

direct opposite

anyway uh HN3, hopefully it will be better

[oblique parcel]

Im sure it will

[earnest cape]

Yes but that simple gameplay of HN2 was a lot more enjoyable at times compared to how random HN1 is compared with stealth.

[gentle carbon]

true

[stone elk]

At times as in first impressions yes, however I can toy around with the hn1 ai just for fun compared to hn2 where I got bored of playing against the ai before finishing the first few houses. The hn1 ai was also pretty bad tho

[high brook]

I genuinely think this game is gonna make it

This is so promising considering the last two games

[stone elk]

However they only had a single programmer doing the entirety of hn1 and I think they only made mobile games before so its pretty impressive from that perspective -Edit 2 programmers but only 1 at a time having to switch programmers and basically rework everything during alphas

[woven lodge]

I can't wait for the pre-alpha this Christmas!

[eager glade]

NO!

[near meadow]

When we getting next teaser we need screenshots!

[woven lodge]

Wow...

[eager glade]

You have been doing this since prototype 3 I think I remember you..

[stone elk]

he dont gives dates just suprizes

[near hawk]

Wdym "NO!"? Do you want it to release later? Wow you are more evil than Eowohadus

[eager glade]

Well before later

Before the before

AND before the "the"

[woven lodge]

I'm so sorry for what is going to happen to you for this...

When Nikita looks at his Discord and sees that foolish message you shall suffer pain greater than anyone has ever experienced before.

[stone elk]

wait does the hn3 team have 2 game designers but only 1 animator🤔

or is Aleksandr programmer

[near hawk]

Another one of these I assume...

[stone elk]

Once Nikita reaches his 3rd Bruh the Neigbor "the early design with the green shirt"-spesifically will be summond and there will be nothing we can do about it

[untold grotto]

yes theres just only one animator

[untold grotto]

GD

[untold grotto]

the other animator is trying himself as game designer now as nikita said

[high brook]

Geometry dash?

[hoary heath]

Stop ragebait

[celest plank]

keep typing mr.wh2025

[lusty dove]

I think you might find good animators in the HN community that could help with that

tiny build hiring people to animate for HN3

[untold grotto]

if they would need more animators they would hire already

[lusty dove]

yes

[lunar trail]

I hope some of the animations for the NPC's reflect their personality

[oblique parcel]

yeah i hope each animation is unique

[woven lodge]

Call me Theodore because I'm rage bating in the Descord chat.

[severe merlin]

It's actually pretty hard to find good game-oriented animators, unfortunately.
Anyhow, we are not hiring animators at the moment.

[high brook]

niche reference i see there

[bold siren]

I mean, I dont think the grabbing animations are that important for the game, if they can add them is better, but it would ruin the game experience if everyone has the same animation. Obviously, for this to work, the animation would have to be done taking in count all NPCs models

[lunar trail]

I dont mean grabbing animations

[stoic shore]

it would be cool to see them having their own unique way of walking/running

[lunar trail]

I mean like the animations in general

At the very least i hope there's facial animations for them

[bold siren]

Well, just copy paste what I've said, but replacing grabbing animations with general animations, aka, animations for things that all NPCs do

[near meadow]

I know you said the gameplay is like outer wilds,

But is the game, as in events story, and the way things are ordered at specific times, the same way as majoras mask in this aspect?

And the gameplay aspect itself is outerwilds?

People asked if it was like majoras mask, but not in terms of game aspect or story aspect.

I KNOW the gameplay will be like outer wilds, so im asking about a different aspect of the game

[wild girder]

In Devlog 1.5 you stated that some of the ideas in those small prototypes you made, you took to HN3. Can you specify what ideas they were and where they've been implemented?

The only one I can think of is "Giant Monster" being an inspiration for The Guest's gameplay.

[gentle pebble]

Will NPC be able to fight the guest

[bold siren]

Hey guys, I wanted to ask u if you must deactivate the tag thing when you reply to a Dev's message, I've been doing that just in case, but idk if its mandatory

[wild girder]

No idea. I only really do it if they're currently online and have recently started answering some questions in hope that they will see mine and answer some of them.

[woven lodge]

I think it's more respectful to turn off the tagging.

[opaque summit]

i do that by default lol

[wild girder]

I wonder if The Guest had any scrapped ideas or concepts, design and gameplay wise. One of the steam images had Jacob walking up some stairs with The Guest inside the house so I'm wondering if he originally was going to have a different play style. And also, in the original key art when HN3 got announced, The Guest looked a little taller. (Not sure if it's just me though)

[high brook]

Your not crazy, guest was taller

The original skeleton is like 1 or 2 times bigger

[vital needle]

How tall is the new guest in real life?

[high brook]

I think he’s about 8 or 9 feet tall maybe even 7

[wild girder]

That would've been horrifying. Imagine just looking into the distance and you just see this tall lanky creature within the trees.

[night vigil]

They are so evil for that lol

[raven pilot]

lol

[daring forge]

lmao

[raven pilot]

speedrunners 2 will be a minigame in hn3
||/jk||

[civic totem]

That's funny

[delicate sigil]

am I the only one that finds it kinda disrespectful to the actual game that theyre now seemingly intentionally baiting HN fans into it with a HN thumbnail? Tinybuild games always had an issue of being pestered by HN fans and now they're giving into it? If this isn't an accident that is

[thin portal]

glad I wasn´t the only one who got jumpscared, tinyBuild please just put a thumbnail next time

[peak solar]

I know an animator in the community who somehow managed to fool the entire fanbase into thinking their work was official

they have also worked on several Unreal Engine projects in the past

[raven pilot]

yeah, i thought it wasnt very cool that they did that, it feels like theyre just doing this to make more ppl watch this stream

[near hawk]

Was it some animation of the Guest or anything like that?

[delicate sigil]

It's 100x worse by the fact that so many games published by tinybuild constantly get disrespected with people in the comments just asking for HN when it's completely unrelated

[raven pilot]

im still watching it bcse it is freaking speedrunners 2 tho

[peak solar]

nah, everyone showed off their animations as fake Patch 10 leaks for some reason

[thin portal]

the animator is randomuser right

[peak solar]

yeah....

[daring forge]

Well I’m pretty sure the thumbnail was automatically chosen by YouTube and not Tinybuild themselves.

[raven pilot]

real, mainly the animated series

[delicate sigil]

I hope it was

[thin portal]

I love his animations, but probably it isn´t what Nikita would look for an animator tbh, since he is more tilted to animations related to gameplay stuff probably

[near hawk]

Yeah, even on HN3 stuff for example, people ask for AS

[raven pilot]

is this a thing? wow i didnt know that

[raven pilot]

yeah

[mighty orchid]

It’s very often you find a comment asking about hn on android or whatever the phone platform is called

[severe merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/obama-barack-why-shrug-gif-13540987034857193291

[delicate sigil]

Just imagine being a dev and you worked forever on a game just to show a trailer and the people are only asking about HN 😭

[peak solar]

I would make a joke about HN3 being at Steam Next Fest, but

they don't even have the player done yet

[raven pilot]

i hope it is just a youtube thing like @daring forge said

[peak solar]

and that's one of the things that seems to be confirmed to exist in Pre-Alpha

[daring forge]

Yeah YouTube makes the channel banner the thumbnail by default for livestreams

[peak solar]

(or at least what they want)

[empty shell]

neighbor ragebaiting youtube 😭

[nimble walrus]

Also:

They have 3 of them

All start at same time

[raven pilot]

neighbor hacked tinybuild lol

[empty shell]

fr

85 year old hacker

[lavish ravine]

3 new games of hn3

[raven pilot]

still havent started tho

[delicate sigil]

Which should I watch... hmmmm

[thin portal]

sadly almost everyone who follows tinyBuild is following it because HN stuff...
like this is crazy, 20k votes 🥀

[lavish ravine]

Hn it’s a peak game buy the others need more atention to

[nimble walrus]

I mean I have played original speedrunners. Amazing game to play with friends, but yeah most of the people are for Hello Neighbor 3 :)

[raven pilot]

if this gets worse tinybuild will have to turn off comments😭

[lavish ravine]

Exactly

[delicate sigil]

Being published by tinybuild immediately infects you with an ancient curse that causes everyone to ask about hn when you try to advertise your game

[lavish ravine]

Nikita is here

[thin portal]

the tinyCurse™️

[severe merlin]

Few month ago we had internal Spedrunners 2 competition. The game is really fun.

[lavish ravine]

And who win

[delicate sigil]

I remember playing some sort of browser version of speedrunners when I was really young

Speedrunners 2 looks pretty good

[nimble walrus]

You mean the stickmin version?

[raven pilot]

yeah, the game does look very fun

[near hawk]

Just like how he wants to rage bate in the discord chat

[empty shell]

exactly that is what i was referencing to 😎

[delicate sigil]

not sure at all, it was way too long ago to remember the specifics, but when I played speedrunners it felt just like the browser game I played back then...? Maybe some type of version the devs made as a sort of demo? It had the same characters and identical movement

[nimble walrus]

Interesting

[frosty gyro]

did you and the rest of the devteam try out 8 player mode? or did it not support it when you first tried it

[stone elk]

Love myself some clickbait

[raven pilot]

its a speedrunners stream bro, no one is going to say when the hn movie is coming out😭

[delicate sigil]

Developed hello neighbor curse mentioned

[raven pilot]

it is funny and sad at the same time

[mild gull]

yo, i got tracked. Lmao...

[nimble walrus]

Yeah tbh, but hey I guess people are people. They are just here for most important thing that they want and don't want to check out other stuff

[open plaza]

whats up people

[mighty orchid]

Well that depends either ceiling or sky.

[raven pilot]

something weird happened in tinybuild channel today, thats whats up lol😭

[open plaza]

how weird

[raven pilot]

hn3 thumbnail on speedrunners 2 stream

[open plaza]

[mighty orchid]

It looks normal for me

I might not be in the right section that y’all are though

[raven pilot]

its normal now

[raven pilot]

before it was like this

[nimble walrus]

There is still 2 more streams sitting

People just chatting to themselves

[raven pilot]

huh

theyre still there?

[daring forge]

What I don’t understand is why make multiple livestreams?

[mighty orchid]

Yea never mind I wasn’t in the live section

[nimble walrus]

I think they did it by mistake

[daring forge]

yeah maybe

[nimble walrus]

Because YT studio currently is a bugged mess

[raven pilot]

ive been playing tinybuild games since no time to explain and seeing ppl only caring abt hn is very sad

[untold grotto]

thats a big lie though

[mighty orchid]

I mean it’s the main games I follow them for but I’ve seen a few of the others and it’s alright

[untold grotto]

hn3 has least wishlist on that vote

which is i can understand since the first 2 games are infamous

[eager glade]

Bruhh

[woven lodge]

Wow, they took a really odd direction with Hello Neighbor 3.

[nimble walrus]

HN3 is in thumbnail because of Banner that they have set on YT

[woven lodge]

Guys I'm confused, is this the pre-alpha?

[stone elk]

Its not what we expected but atleast you can run fast

[trim reef]

i mean—tinybuild asked and they got their answer, also HN is a lot more recognized than the rest so of course logistically it would have more votes

[raven pilot]

the thumbnail i understand bcse it might be youtube that setted it but im still wondering why multiple streams

[nimble walrus]

Since they didn't add Thumbnail it automatically changed to HN3 art picture

[trim reef]

Yeah its just a preset

[eager glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194024766902898791/1473598982256328724/snaplytics_converted_gif.gif

[untold grotto]

its probably because the latest stream they had was prototype 2 stream

[lavish ravine]

Imagine a teaser of hn3 right now

[stone elk]

Hello neighbor 3 development timeline RBO"Pvp" RBO"Pve" Hello Neighbor 3, Speedrunners 2

[lavish ravine]

[nimble walrus]

Latest one they had was FEROCIOUS

[winged jungle]

Not Roger!

[lavish ravine]

[thin portal]

wellllll.... yeah

[nimble walrus]

But yeah I guess HN3 Pre-Alpha might be in 27th Feb probably who knows

[trim reef]

Probably not

[winged jungle]

I think that's too soon

[raven pilot]

frebuary 29😆

[narrow gust]

I'd be pissed if I was a speedrunners 2 dev rn

[nimble walrus]

Actually yeah that date!

[untold grotto]

maybe but they having only one QA tester is just making me worry about

[trim reef]

it’s a preset

[open plaza]

[woven lodge]

Wdym, it just came out? They changed the name to Speedrunners 2 though so I don't know why.

[lavish ravine]

Mmmmmm

[lavish ravine]

I think it’s just gonna show a teaser or smth

[winged jungle]

I think febs too soon

[untold grotto]

why

[winged jungle]

They need to finish all characters

Models

[untold grotto]

true

[winged jungle]

And they didnt show us Protagonist yet

[untold grotto]

i mean they dont have to but ok

[trim reef]

Hey Developer Forge—would it be logical for me to switch from roblox studio to unity

[winged jungle]

He said he would though

[woven lodge]

You can forward forwards.

[winged jungle]

Lol

[raven pilot]

do yall think it is going to launch with a devlog or just trailer like proto2?

[trim reef]

Both maybe

[eager glade]

pleaseeeee

[trim reef]

I think logically it should be a devlog though

If not both

[winged jungle]

I wonder if there's any ai improvements

[woven lodge]

Devlog 4: A New Neighbor

[winged jungle]

P3 player interaction needs help

[stone elk]

npcs now search for intruders if they suspect it

[raven pilot]

i think the vandals should be a little less op

[winged jungle]

Indeed

[raven pilot]

could we befriend them in proto3?

i dont remember

[eager glade]

yeah i think

im so mad i uninstalled it

[trim reef]

Actions have repercussions.

[winged jungle]

Yeah

[raven pilot]

ok

[winged jungle]

Same

[trim reef]

ok i leave

https://tenor.com/view/ok-i-leave-okay-i-leave-stan-twt-okileave-gif-11833947062316105036

[raven pilot]

what is the context of this gif lol

[trim reef]

So basically the kid has autism and it was a community who believed that autism was like something from the devil so it was like an exorcism— and when they “expelled” the demons the kid said “ok i leave”

[winged jungle]

Did not expect that

[lethal estuary]

I think it would be cool if they had a "press the spacebar to escape" type of system instead of them catching you instantly

[trim reef]

like the push mechanic from HN1

[nimble walrus]

Or just trow item at AI like in HN2 Alpha 1 and 1.5

[lethal estuary]

Exactly

[raven pilot]

i saved on google drive so i could unninstall and dont have the risk of losing it

[eager glade]

lucky

[lethal estuary]

Yeah

[trim reef]

HN2 Alpha’s mentioned

[winged jungle]

Hn2 alpha 1.5 was good

Hn2 had potential

[trim reef]

Honestly I liked alpha 1 better…

I just didn’t like the halloween plot of 1.5

[near hawk]

True and indeed.

[nimble walrus]

Who knows maybe HN1 and HN2 will get remake in future

[winged jungle]

I hope

[untold grotto]

hn1 will

[trim reef]

Definitely not, they’ve moved on

[untold grotto]

not sure for hn2, probably not

[trim reef]

source?

[nimble walrus]

Ay never say never

[untold grotto]

gimme a sec

[untold grotto]

hn1 remake being confirmed - #hello-neighbor message

alex mentioning they prototyped hn1 remake and it will makes sense after hn3 - #hello-neighbor message

[woven lodge]

So never?

[trim reef]

Honestly I think that could’ve changed though- That was 3 years ago

[woven lodge]

Hello Neighbor 2 is never getting fixed...

[untold grotto]

the one that alex saying is it will be after hn3 is one year old

[woven lodge]

Not what he said though.

[trim reef]

Oops forgot to read that

Well I’ll be damned

[woven lodge]

He said it will just make sense, didn't say it will come out after HN3.

[trim reef]

after

[civic totem]

And what would "it" be exactly? That's right, HN3!

/hj

[trim reef]

plus another half

[eager glade]

im wondering if art style and the neighborhood will change in remake

maybe a more obvious story telling

[nimble walrus]

Probably

[eager glade]

police station and the factory and supermarket are in hn1 and i think the factory is relevant in the books

it would be cool if it was enterable

[untold grotto]

but they may have changed the plans since alex have mentioned hn1 is gonna have a next gen update on consoles

[eager glade]

oh so itll be like pc?

[untold grotto]

wdym

[civic totem]

True

[eager glade]

cuz in consoles the neighbor cant use a blower thing to get you down

only in pc

[untold grotto]

well its not a content update

[eager glade]

oh

shuckers

[untold grotto]

it will be just run better

[eager glade]

thats cool along with the new thing that fans will love.. oooh

[nimble walrus]

Probably will finally fix the issue on Keyboard and Mouse support too

[untold grotto]

thats that hn1 update i mentioned

[eager glade]

oh i thought that was different

bruh

[untold grotto]

sadly

[eager glade]

i mean atleast there are books planned in the future (i mean if there will be any)

[untold grotto]

and that would be after movie

movie that we didnt get any updates for a year

[stone elk]

thats not so bad fnaf movie was suppost to be made like 10 years before the actuall fnaf movie

[eager glade]

yeah sadly

all we get is cookingh

[timid kestrel]

Hello chat Im not caught up on hn3 I didnt really check out the last prototype though I heard it was very good, is the développement going well and the devs doing good ? Happy to see them take all the time they want for the game

Will there be lots of platforming in hn3 Im wondering

If there are segments like in the first game I hope that the ai wont be too unable to fo anything against the player all the time.

Like random thought, I feel like the ai walking on ledges could be possible, either that or throw something at you to try to make you fall if unreachable or idk a drone to annoy you and stuff

Im just rambling random thoughts for fun really

[narrow gust]

The AI can jump and crouch now

[timid kestrel]

Great !

[narrow gust]

It might be unintentional but there was a time when Jacob crouch jumped to reach me

[timid kestrel]

Actual tech being used

[normal cairn]

why is hello neighbor 3 proto type 3not in my steam library any more

[nocturne jacinth]

can there be multiple pre-alphas?

[trim reef]

damn maybe they’re actually moving on from P3

[loud karma]

this is one of those questions where the answer will be "only time will tell"

[nocturne jacinth]

omg its the model guy

[peak solar]

or alternatively

"short answer is - no"

[trim reef]

pre alpha is one alpha prototype before alpha 1

[nocturne jacinth]

I dont think this is right actually

Technically there can be more pre-alphas but in hello neighbor terms

"pre-Alpha (pretty rough stage, when game barely represents whole thing but shaping up)"

So I think theres a chance there could be another

and honestly I would prefer that

Like small updates to the pre-Alpha over time.

this does feel more like prototype work tho

[trim reef]

i think there couldddd??? but i dont think it would be more than one i think it would be like pre alpha 1 and 1.5 like have versions as they patch and… idk

[trim reef]

JEEZ

[near hawk]

Sheesh Hades what do you keep saying?

[trim reef]

Oh

Nothing bad

It just thinks im trying to say something bad

Its just a slow chat today

but i didnt say slow

😵 that word

Anyways im excited for the prealpha stages

I really wonder how both the guest and the neighbor are going to be relevant in the prealpha

[timid berry]

what ya'll think? my first try at composiotioning smth about hn3 in blender

[timid berry]

i think when pre-alpha will release, i'll rework this poster with updated models

[haughty tide]

nice fan art.

[blissful shuttle]

Like with previous games do you guys think the alphas of hn3 will be free?

[celest plank]

well obviously

[blissful shuttle]

I mean like will they stay on steam

Like previous alphas

[stone elk]

I have a hard time beliving they wont maybe they will be merged to the main game unlike previous times or maybe it will be just like previous times all I know is that they prolly will be availibe as it brings new people

[opaque summit]

i think the prerelease versions will at least be available through the steam betas

[spiral atlas]

I wonder what EGS has been cooking up lately

[tawny tendon]

I keep reading it as Eggs someone needs to fix my eyes

[spiral atlas]

Lol

[timid berry]

Thanks, for some reason Vandals's poses dropped, they was hands up, but only signed stayed like this

[haughty tide]

how come?

[timid berry]

What? Sorry I'm not very good in English if what

[haughty tide]

how did the vandals' poses dropped?

[timid berry]

I posed vandals so they like dancing happy while Isaac falling in the Guest, but something happened and they returned to base pose, some blender bug ig

[haughty tide]

that's sad. it would have looked better with their happy poses but oh well.

[patent yew]

Amazing work in blender!

[wild girder]

Nikita. If you're seeing this, will we be able to open doors by pressing a button or will it stay with us having to physically walk into them?

[civic totem]

What's happening here

[oblique parcel]

?

I don’t get it

[opaque summit]

wow devs are online in a server related to their work!

[near hawk]

Two days until pre alpha no way!
/j

[opaque summit]

:O

cant wait!!

[timid berry]

thx

[timid berry]

i can do it again, also when pre-alpha will release, ill remake it with new models

[haughty tide]

oh ok.

[spiral atlas]

this MUST mean we're getting something today!

[earnest cape]

Or that they are just talking about development in their dev server.

[spiral atlas]

yeah i was just kidding

[trim reef]

i mean, its very likely that we do get something

its been a while since our last #work-in-progress

[lunar trail]

This means HN5 is getting ready to be announced

[raven pilot]

hello neighbor 3 x smash bros ultimate

[civic totem]

The fonts

[civic totem]

The fonts

The text-

Look at the usernames

[lavish ravine]

Hn3 X fortnite

[tall sorrel]

are we droppin' on the Mayak or at Friendly Court?

(/j)

[opaque summit]

ohhhhhhh

[peak solar]

the only time we got to see that, the devs were dying inside trying to figure out how to optimize Prototype 3

[floral kettle]

do you guys think in hn3 the guest might come back to use his powers like he did in the comics or in hnvr?

[opaque summit]

no

[floral kettle]

why not?

[near hawk]

Probably not

[oblique parcel]

Guest is not supernatural so no

[floral kettle]

cough cough

[floral kettle]

I am sorry but yeah there is no way the guest is not supernatural

[restive oxide]

first two images are in the guest world

[floral kettle]

yep

[floral kettle]

I know

[restive oxide]

I don't know about the third cuz I haven't read the comics

[floral kettle]

but if the guest has like his own... "pocket dimension" why would he not be supernatural?

I feel like guest supernatural is peak tho

[restive oxide]

because it's confirmed he's not supernatural

[floral kettle]

then what is he?

also the guest can turn into a real crow I don't think an average joe could do that tho

[floral kettle]

I am not much into hn so that's why I am asking

[near hawk]

3 of those are in a dream/metaphorical world, the last one I'm not really sure how it proves any supernaturality?

[floral kettle]

yeah but he can still do that by like smoke if you played hnvr you know what I mean by that

[near hawk]

Well unknown. I think there is a person behind that beam but I couldn't tell who. Some think he is like a cryptid.

[floral kettle]

for me, he is a eldritch bird that seemingly represents death, misfortune, and greed.

[near hawk]

Well, until it's revealed who/what he really is, go for it I guess.

[floral kettle]

also in the real world he can turn himself into a real crow idk if you can actually do that as a normal person in the lore

[winter ingot]

Book name

[floral kettle]

you are asking or wdym?

[near hawk]

Raven Brooks Disaster

[winter ingot]

Asking

[winter ingot]

Thx

[floral kettle]

oh ok

and in the book he can shapeshift like actual shapeshift as the neighbor

[near hawk]

Hello Neighbor, even since early days(as early as HN1 alpha 2) has used metaphors, symbolism and the mindset of the characters to tell it's story.

The alternative of The Guest not actually doing that is, I guess using Sci-fi and/or devices to achieve all of that.

[floral kettle]

what type of sci-fi we could use anyways?

the most easiest answer is to say he was born like this

[near hawk]

This comic has always been kinda iffy to use as evidence for The Neighbour being or not being the Guest because earlier on, when Regina accused him of being the raven man he didn't deny it at all.

Also it's iffy because it was being written during a different storyline.

It's still canon but just harder to fit in because of that I would say

Oh wait

[floral kettle]

I don't think you can be in 2 places at the same time...

[narrow gust]

Who spelt tough as tuff?

[winter ingot]

Guys do i have to read bosco bay first?

[floral kettle]

?

[winter ingot]

Before raven brooks disaster

[near hawk]

It's really not that hard to justify it using sci-fi really.
Just kinda lame imo.
But he could like, be mutated or smth.

[floral kettle]

this seems too cartoonish explanation for hn ngl

[near hawk]

Eh. You don't really have to, it just takes place a lot later in the timeline.

[narrow gust]

The thing you forwarded has spelt the word tough as tuff

[floral kettle]

oh you are right

but the guest he is tough tho

[near hawk]

I don't really care honestly.
Like, I don't care supernatural or sci-fi.
But regardless in the same comic Ted uses a weather station to flood the town using the Doppler effect and stuff so it's not a far-fetched guest.

[floral kettle]

I feel like the supernatural reason is better anyways but I just wanna comment that tho

[near hawk]

Okay maybe we should continue this over on #lore-discussion or #hello-neighbor

[winter ingot]

One final question, does bosco bay include the guest?

[near hawk]

No.

[winter ingot]

Okay thanks again

[floral kettle]

I think only that graphic novel has the guest I could be wrong

[winter ingot]

So the only book includes the guest is raven brooks disaster right?

[floral kettle]

you could search in the wiki about that but I guess

[near hawk]

Reset day also

[random shell]

Do we have any confirmed information about the player yet?

[raven pilot]

iirc he will be in pre alpha

[sterile crane]

Connor? from hello Neighbor 3

[raven pilot]

who is connor?