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dusty trench
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There’s a full picture and grounded views

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it was referred to mayak iirc

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MikeHuff24's NEW complete Hello Neighbor Timeline Part 1

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Part 2

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I am blind

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the Christmas one

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What's it about?

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they don't really have a lot going on

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but I put them in anyways for completionist's sake

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I see

ripe berry
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glacial whale
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glacial whale
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Okay thanks

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So the Guest is a killer just not in a way we think...

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Or like, his Guest, the HN3 Guest.

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Oh he was a killer...
Wait what? He kills us in the present when he catches us too...

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Probably just means the Guest always was a killer

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they're cute

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ripe berry
limber ridge
dense raven
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the pose he hits is so funny

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it looks like the Mr. Beast Pose

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dusty trench
limber ridge
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I think his ring finger is lifted more tbf

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dusty trench
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limber ridge
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His other hand looks like he's adjusting some glasses

dusty trench
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Wait

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I think we found out

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the thing

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Is…

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Ivan

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/j

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dusty trench
limber ridge
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Sheesh Nikita has like some 4 dimensional brain or smth

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Anything he can think of is just, not something we can think of(probably)

dusty trench
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That’s why i want to think like Nikita

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Open my hidden eyes

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would be kinda funny if the game comes out and nothing makes sense, we just cant understand it

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its too much for our brains

limber ridge
# dusty trench

Wait what is long term planning about if not ordering, logic and statistics?

limber ridge
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Just for the "every choice is the right one" aspect

dusty trench
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This can tie in

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I think

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But

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Ima research

dusty trench
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I don’t need to

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Cause

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Wait

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Nvm

ripe berry
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also just to say to get it out of the way
for ease of talking about the Reset Day era of the timeline in the future can we refer to Mrs. Tillman (Piper's Mom) as Ms. Klein instead due to the back cover? To prevent confusion with Marcia Tillman

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dusty trench
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Also

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Considering the time period

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I’ve really just said Pipers and Delia’s mom, that’s just too much

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Like

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Piper and Delia’s mom 🤓☝️

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Like. Sthu

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Talking about myself btw

ripe berry
dusty trench
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Like why would we gotta say two names for one person 😭

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Unless

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Character just has no name

ripe berry
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name provided

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dusty trench
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Even then

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I just want a name

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Kinda

ripe berry
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either way, we have a name we can use now without causing confusion

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Especially since Mrs. Tillman and Mr. Tillman are likely part of the "Puzzle Masters" group, but Ms. Klein isn't (or if she is, she only becomes one shortly before disappearing)
creates more distinction I guess
(Image to represent the Puzzle Masters below)

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dusty trench
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But you could say it kinda depends

ripe berry
dusty trench
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It’s technically, split up on multiple groups and parties. But all come together in certain ways.

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Not always everyone knowing or meeting each other, but ya know.

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Many people have their own feelings, views, and goals.

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Perspective, mindset

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Because well, everyone kinda becomes a puzzle master in a way.

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Not talking about cult and such

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dusty trench
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Just people become them, in their own ways

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Like there’s good puzzle masters

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And then theirs bad

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If ya know wim

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Is it possible

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Guest killed piper mom

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And enzo?

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ripe berry
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dusty trench
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He kinda already got what is coming to town (kinda)

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Maybe not all the folks but ya know

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Depends if they survive or not

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dusty trench
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And

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Much more

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If that makes sense to you.

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People can go their own ways, and some might just so happen to form a kinda secret group tied to much others.

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And someone can be good once, and become evil.

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Like some people are more on a good side, some people are more on an evil.

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And ties to one party, technically multiple, but comes to one.

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Like people use their intelligence in different ways

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Trying to find all seeing knowledge for different goals and different ways

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And you can combine different ways to get to all seeing knowledge and such.

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Kinda like how we look at the different views of HN, even the perspectives and mindsets of characters within HN.

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Views being the different sides of story, how it tells it, and such other ways you can go about the world and narrative of HN. All to find the bigger picture.

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The sci fi loops stuff, the mythical folklore to be used in symbolic and metaphorical such stuff, also can tie to spiritual symbolic and such stuff to tie things together, and an overall meta of the series, its ideas, etc. And you can tie those together.

ripe berry
# dusty trench Kinda like how we look at the different views of HN, even the perspectives and m...

like how MitH/MJ may not have the most noble reasoning for being against the cult
As Loodgack said, he's a coward who wants to be respected and in control who gets upset when things don't go his way.
He pretends everyone likes him, and maybe does have a few friends, but even his "friends" (Otto) aren't the best people in Raven Brooks, benefitting from the cult and working with them even if not actively a part of it
Meanwhile, he clearly isn't as well liked as he wants to think he is, as shown by Leslie dismissing him in the Sign Falling Article, even kicking him out of the station when he demands answers for the missing person cases in the Nicky Article
and even still he ends up on the "good" side because what he does is ultimately against the cult

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who knows who he ends up being afterwards

ripe berry
dusty trench
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Really focused

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Probably experienced a lot

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Hint hint

dusty trench
ripe berry
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Lemme drop sum

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And there’s 2 suspects

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Now lemme ask the question

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What do you think, suspects means?

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Just cause I’m curious

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Suspects I mean is Guest

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oh
lmao

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anyways

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Take a look at Guest

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Now take a look at MITH

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Now let’s take a look at the similarities

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I’ll let you give your thoughts first

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ironic
MitH is like- one of the only people we know it can't be

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(Blue Tape)

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Blue tape comes in play later

ripe berry
# ripe berry (Blue Tape)

in Blue Tape he's actively taking a photo of the Guest
and Green Tape... heck if I know what happens in that tape...

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Let’s wait for that

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Lemme bring the similarities

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Arm proportions are spot on

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The legs too are like the exact same

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And if you look at the legs, it has stripes. Very similar to the very faint stripes on Guest pants.

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And

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MITH’s sweater

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Color wise yes

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Doesn’t have huge stripes

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But

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It’s folded

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And can go over his head

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Also

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His stomach is the same

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And his head does fit in the beak most

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Now

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Why did I choose to show off without the glasses. That’s because.

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Nikita said on MegaM interview that MITH as an idea was meant to be fake Theo.

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Guest is oddly portrayed with Theo in similarities a ton. Like GN2, SN, and Reset Day literally mentioning a mustache and things similar to Theo.

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Now

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While we tied it to one thing, it can also tie to another.

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And, even Fake Theo has same similar boat proportions to Guest, including the gloves and shoes. But that’s the idea, that could be elaborated on.

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And if we are going to tie Archivist. Look at MITH and Archivist.

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Now look at Guest

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All 3 are similar

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But

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There are some possibilities.

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Lemme bring one directly from the discussion.

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Or ya know

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Lemme send a screenshot

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You ca see what I replied to anyways

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dusty trench
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And

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Tavish’s

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Ya know

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They really started like the cult stuff

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What if

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MITH is Quentin and Beatrix’s dad, Archivist is Quentin’s aunt, and they are Tavish’s.

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Not only that

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But Tavish’s well, look similar.

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HN2 has ton of hints to towns history and the Tavish’s (just look at my analysis and many more stuff we talked on).

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And

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If MITH did take on a role after someone else, who do you think it could be?

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dusty trench
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Adding onto Quentin and Beatrix’s character.

dusty trench
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If you have an answer

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Okay well

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I have 2 options.

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1: Archivist

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Maybe he found out it was his sister and he maybe was been searching for his sister for a while. Also if we consider the HW incident. Also as an idea, the newspaper from HN3 P3.

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Now

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Here’s a 2nd option

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2: Mayor Tavish

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Now

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Maybe

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After Mayor Tavish went to jail having his reputation ruined, rest of the cult kinda left him disregarding the fact his family for generations has been building this. Andeven people in his family are against him (for good reason), maybe he broke and just wants everything gone. But he dies or sum and MITH takes on the role, maybe learning his toy or sum.

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And, I don’t agree with this one as much as Archivist.

ripe berry
dusty trench
# dusty trench And, I don’t agree with this one as much as Archivist.

Archivist fits better because she wore Guest costume as a kid, her missing poster is way more prominent in HN2 Back to School, which we have things of town history from including that one newspaper on chemistry class from the school. And in Late Fees we see how she was as an adult. Someone who played a big deal in towns history.

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And in HN2, we get that current period.

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Now here’s where it gets interesting

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What if, she was pretending work with the puzzle masters and such.

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Like

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What do overtime as she has this mental insanity of everything she has been through, where she came from, that she has this kinda I don’t know what I want to be or who I truly am. So over time, she devotes herself to being taken over by Guest.

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MITH doing the same afterwards.

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the article on the Library implies there are multiple archivists
yet by the time we get there in Late Fees it seems like only the Librarian works there
and if we take that article at face value, she lost years worth of archived data that'd be important to the Puzzle Masters to have access to

dusty trench
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Then she broke

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Everything has come crashing on her for years.

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Since she was a child. She’s gained true hatred for others, and just wants everything and everyone gone. But overtime found love for it, and wants to keep doing it over and over again. That’s why Guest chooses victims slowly.

ripe berry
dusty trench
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And guess what

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That’s where blue tape could tie in

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This can add onto MITH and Theo being similar in design as we see as idea of thought process in a way with their design’s.

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Also considering that Guest identity should be in AS

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Look who we see

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MITH

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What if the Guest ate apples and was a horse 🤔🐴 this would be quite the lore discussion to have.

dusty trench
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Duhh

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GuestHorse theory

dusty trench
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But edges and such match up pretty well.

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MITH, also in this identity crisis. He is in true mental anguish, wondering what he should devote to. Himself, or be a Guest host.

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And, the connection to Ravens and Crows can still be apparent.

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We can look at many views of this but lemme say it more straight forward, then we can tie other stuff.

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Guest, Raven man, Mother Raven in a way, has the bond and connection to nature, life, death, destruction. Like Mayak, which can show that connection in some ways. Guest has more of a bond with ravens as we see, even in ideas. Guest feeding ravens, and leading Quentin who Guest is leading (letting cult lead by tweaking stuff so Guest ca having him). Guest is clearly more, animalistic. Who ever is hosted clearly knows and has been studying this stuff even as Guest. Thats what we see in AS EP1. The person under possession of this, is learning how to be Guest. And runs away more than Guest really does in game, whole HN2 Guest does run away a ton and at times even when noticing you, he still will charge. This is the learning process, seeing if host is to be left vulnerable to this, or leave that darkness alone.

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And MITH as idea, does know a to about Guest as we see he faces Guest in HG as idea. Even the tapes (maybe), and MITH’s character that screams he just knows more.

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We even see Theo had knowledge on Guest showing that similarity. This is from old lofi stream.

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And if we are going to say as we said about Archivist, the sibling relationship is also similar. Showing a true pattern in HN’s story. Just different outcomes.

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I can point out just some more similarities. Such as Guest stalking Theo in this promotional art, like MITH in SN.

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But like, this is small I guess.

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Also we can tie the tape of Theo burying or digging up sum.

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Even if it’s not MITH, it can tie into similarities.

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Oh

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Also

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Lemme send Alex’s Guest thread

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HN1?

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Hmm

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Well

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Let’s dive into it. Also H&S too cause it contains sum stuff and is almost like a separate edition to HN1 just well, dif.

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Well in HN1 we got this.

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H&S and HN1 we got this

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Which

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I talked about before

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Lemme go grab it

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Honestly

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Lemme send the whole discussion 🙂

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Everything in there ties in but specifically bird drawing. I recommend reading.

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Now we talked about the house. But how does smoking bird tie in.

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Well

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Look at bro

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Got a tie on

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Seemingly professional in some way.

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But is all goofy cause the shorts. He looks tired with baggy ish eyes. Is smoking from a pop all or like some old school detective. But he looks, out of it. And tied this to Theo, why not tie it to Archivist and MITH. What I have said so far is self explanatory to this, don’t understand then read back.

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Now, there is something I want to touch on.

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S&R

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Because well, Guest is there, there’s drawings of Guest in Nicky’s room. And it’s depicting past events.

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But it’s also, depicting the future.

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And you know what

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Lemme throw a few small stuff here too. They surely tie to Guest. #lore-discussion message keep reading you’ll know when I’m done but some people comment in between it’s fine.

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And also, is we take what Nikita said of him coming up with the name Guest and Hello Guest. It makes sense even more. MITH is almost like, a guest. Someone who just, pops in at a place at some points. I know it sounds goofy but you can hear me. It ties more into how similar they are, even Theo too with him sneaking up on cultist and around town. Like a guest, popping in at an area. I know guest term has been tied to many things, but it’s clearly the devs and writers teasing us. Teasing us on concept of The Guest and such. We can take what Nikita said in interview on the name Guest and Hello Guest to consideration too. Even Alex saying, #hello-neighbor message . And, #hello-neighbor message .

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Which we’ve talked about before.

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And, it quite makes HN1 important to this too. The whole spy gimmick and idea Nikita had, him implying hats being important, just teasing us. The house is in the background behind Theos house and stands out kinda from all the rest of normal places in town, like a guest. Even Theos house can tie to this too for many different reasons I’ve said before. In S&R Guest just drops in and is more hidden.

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Alex is watching

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lol

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Hi Alex

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Anyways ( as Alex stands in the dark corner hidden away from the rest of the public eye mayak ).

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I haven’t even gone into suspect #2.

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Well

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Lemme get into it 🙂

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And this one Frigid came up with and I personally believe in MITH more but I can see this.

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2: Mr. Yi

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Now

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I know after all that with MITH and such it seems odd for me to bring I another suspect, let alone Lucy’s father. Also considering MITH had a concept art and idea for a role he could play in GN2 which ties to Guest a ton and such.

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But let’s go into what Frigid brought up.

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#hello-neighbor message

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Now

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I have talked about these before already.

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I tied Guest well going to the demon sides, and Lucy being good. Even to other character who are like angelic like protectors as considered. Franklin, Diane, Mya, and Beatrix. Guest is manipulative, raging, destructive, evil, and not peaceful. Good puzzle masters are trying to bring peace and freedom, in their own ways and motives. They come together in a healthy ways while Cult and other characters have issues, even in cult itself. Guest is super selfish, and Theo went down a destructive path. As he sees it, betraying his brother who he sees as a protective angelic figure and lost the protection from him. Cause over time he turned into his own trauma. What he fear’d, what he hated. And he accepted that. Lucy’s father, could want revenge on town as him and Brenda have been protecting for justice and ownership in town, for right reason. And overtime it seems they have learned way more dark truths about the town, even can tie to the Peterson hatred, and them well not liking cult. And Mr. Yo we don’t really have his true name and is more mysterious and such, while we have Brenda Yi and is way more out there in stuff. Now while this is cool, I can’t see it too much. As well, they are like barely a thing in games, and even AS. And books while having some more insight mainly the past, I can’t see it much. But, maybe Mr. Yi and Brenda could have a connection to MITH. #lore-discussion message . While we don’t even just need this for the demon side with Guest symbolism and such other stuff associated, and angelic peaceful side with Lucy as example and many others I mentioned, this makes sense that Puzzle Masters would reach out to them, and they seem to know more overtime. And the Lucy’s parents would ask someone to investigate, maybe MITH, which can add on more. And even add onto MITH overtime going insane by trying to follow a goal someone asked, likely for a huge pay as he has his own goals for this.

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ripe berry
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I feel like we need to have some kind of clear checklist a character has to follow to be able to be the Guest so we can really narrow down the possibilities

dusty trench
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But I see wym

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We can add more and see other possibilities

ripe berry
dusty trench
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That’s like

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I mean

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Similarities even in other characters can show stuff, doesn’t mean to, necessarily.

ripe berry
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dusty trench
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or well
NeighborLikeVisitor does exist so either way Ted's a Guest Identity

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not THE Guest
but a Guest

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Guest could still be someone else in GN2.

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dusty trench
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In a way, like showing us stuff.

ripe berry
# ripe berry I'd say criteria relating to HN2 and the AS are the ones to pay the most attenti...

For example: as per this video, Patch 9 is described as discovering the secret of Raven Brooks' Urban Legend (referring to the Guest)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za-RMMA5GgA

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Hello Neighbor 2 - Halloween Update OUT NOW on Steam

New features, heavy machinery, an unexplored corner of Raven Brooks, & more! https://store.steampowered.com/app/1321680/Hello_Neighbor_2/

If you go down to the woods today, you’re in for a big surprise, as the Halloween Update is out now on Steam!

🌳Visit the whole new area - the forest located on the outskirts of Raven Brooks. We all so...

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thus a Guest theory has more credibility if something in Patch 9 can be connected to the Guest Identity in question outside of the Guest itself being there

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(bonus points if the theory can explain what's the deal with the Crypt since that's the main thing you try to get to in Patch 9, therefore most likely what is being referred to (but NOT confirmed!))

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Because we know that the answer is out their somewhat. That’s why AS went through the re write stuff and is now making things clearer.

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So here's what I'd list as criteria for HN2's Guest thus far:
Can not be Theodore, Aaron, or Quentin
Is an adult
Is not supernatural
has made an appearance in AS (bonus points if you don't handwave that away with Schmoeface)
needs to be able to explain MitH/MJ taking a photo of the Guest in Blue Tape
Will work when the cult when beneficial to them, but will also betray them when beneficial to them
Has some kind of reason to save Quentin
Likely has something relating to them in the HN2 Patch 9 Forest (bonus points if it explains the mannequins in the Crypt)

dusty trench
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In a way

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I'd save HN3 stuff only if you somehow have a suspect who meets criteria from everything else

dusty trench
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And more on Guest in general.

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Afk

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yeah, I just say HN3 should be given less significance for solving HN2 Guest due to us knowing Nikita isn't aware of what HN2 Guest's identity is

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and how like- if something fits HN2/AS Guest but not HN3 Guest it shouldn't be tossed out as a suspect
but if something DOES fit HN3 Guest aswell as HN2/AS Guest that makes it a more likely suspect

dusty trench
# dusty trench Well

Even if not aware, you know there is similar thinking process and of ideas even unintentionally. Because ideas can be shared, influences may happen in small ways. Even big ways.

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If that makes sense

ripe berry
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Exactly

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It could make someone less likely but, at the same can really impact on another suspect.

dusty trench
# dusty trench I can get into mannequins, and tie it to Guest. I kinda already mentioned it thi...

Lemme explain. So the mannequins of Mya and Diane in game are at church in the crypt. Now we know mannequins are very symbolic and tie to many stuff, like HE mannequins, and SN mannequins. This can tie in to this too. For Mya and Diane, Mya is more distorted with her arms and legs than Diane, almost implying her death. Diane is like that too cause a car accident like that ca have huge damage. And the mannequins hug Quentin in church, located in Guest map, which we tied to Guest world concept and even dream stuff. But distorted by fear and the presence of Guest. But here when Mya and Diane comes, it’s less dark. It’s more, peaceful. They hug Quentin, like finally letting him rest from the pressure of saving everyone, figuring out the truth, proving the town and city wrong, and just putting so much pressure on himself. He can finally rest and unlock a new power of influence, like how he saved his sister and his sister protected him, he wants to do the same. And if he’s dead, his influence stays just like Mya, Diane, Franklin, and Lucy. Even if not dead his influence stays too in hearts of many he’s helped out and saved. Even if he didn’t fully save Aaron, he saved his heart. It kinda made Aaron realize and grow after watching him face his father. And Aaron handled it in a way no one expected. And Quentin influenced that growth. And we know in Guest territory the many death, manipulation, trap symbols ca tie to fear and trauma, and such on how Quentin was tech about to die and close to death, but kept pushing because of his pressure that it only hit himself. But he maybe could’ve died and we seen it portrayed dif in HN2, as it kinda portrays multiple things in one map, even the small town map too, and the DLC’s in a way. Finding clues to not just the case, but himself. Breaking free from this fear and pressure, that’s what we see at the final HN2 ending. But in what way did Quentin have his outcome of peace, who knows.

dusty trench
# dusty trench Lemme explain. So the mannequins of Mya and Diane in game are at church in the c...

Now, adding into this. What if, the mannequins of them are related to Mayak and such. Like it learning from people and such, characters minds, and slowly becoming dangerous. We see this with the loops views. This can tie to transformation and rebirth stuff. But who created them. Well, Theodore did. This ca tie to him having mannequins around his house to cope, and also for his experiments. You see he is trying to recreate the life he once had. And we know dolls have some symbolic meaning and huge connection to this even spiritually. We see in SN reel doll is given to Mya which would of course appeal to her more and it’s of Diane. But, it also is like Mya. Like when Aaron knocks off the doll afterwards Mya falls when he pushes her on accident. Frigid made an idea that the little kid looking doll from H&S looks like very similar to the doll’s in Peterson’s basement in AS. And even in S&R the Aaron and Guest doll, called VOODOO. I explained those before a ton, but let me add onto them with something bigger, can tie to what I mentioned earlier. An HND cutscene.

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A doll very similar to Mya’s doll. Like almost exact.

dusty trench
# dusty trench A doll very similar to Mya’s doll. Like almost exact.

Now what this can mean, is that Theo and Diane got a doll, but had enough money to get it customer and make it look like Diane to give it to Mya. Or, they got one and Theo modified it himself. Now, what if, Theo put some Mayak tech in the doll. And the mannequins. Like it had some tech in doll to learn from and protect Mya. But, was turned against him. And we can get the idea from HN2 and even H&S, that Mr. Peterson has built stuff around the house for kids to play with and just has a cool house, like Henry in Charlie trilogy of Fnaf books. But, Theo had Mayak tech around it to protect him, his family, the house which ca ad onto he windmill and other stuff in the series, and even experiment with how much Mayak learns from places, events, characters minds, and this can tie to loops too. So, Mr. Peterson has added Mayak tech to other tech and stuff he made, and the mannequins tie to this. Cause he is trying to create a perfect reality and one that goes all according to plan in his control, places mannequins around the house to mimic stuff and time periods, different parts of the reality he wants live. And even fear and trauma can take over, as we see a Peterson mannequin knocked over in S&R which kinda mimics what happened to him in HN2, one of investigators and detectives and such, and even his twists side takes over like mannequin of him sitting in a chair staring at Delroy in his cage. Observing him like trying this study the human mind to tie the experiments, but almost like his desire for control and slowly seeing himself bigger than everyone else. That’s why he gets dragged into his experiments, and goes down destructive path. And we know Mr. Peterson is trying to perform some luck ritual of his own too (even idea of that in pilot him burying doll and pulling out luck device). And it has a thing to do with graves as a spiritual thing, hence even the candles he has at his house around the basement, other symbols he’s left around.

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guys ik this is off topic but i need help getting my friend hello neighbor multiplayer but it wont work

dusty trench
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Anyways

ripe berry
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the problem is the criteria still remains super vague
Beatrix works as an option
Archivist works as an option
You found a way to make MitH work as an option

dusty trench
# dusty trench Now what this can mean, is that Theo and Diane got a doll, but had enough money ...

Theo is trying to preform a ritual to bring good luck to himself, which well obviously since his goal, but at what cost is he willing to push on getting there. We see in HN1 cover art, in books with him digging up items and such. It’s likely while spiritual meaning, he is protecting his tools and such he is burying. And this directly adds onto my HN2 stuff connecting to HE and what he is doing, even the mask stuff and details. The render was used before but this background is very important.

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Like 99%

ripe berry
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dusty trench
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they can label Schmoeface to be any character they want and use that to say the Guest has "in a way" appeared in AS before

dusty trench
ripe berry
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like obviously it'd be better if the Guest made some other appearance in AS

dusty trench
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Metaphorically

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Symbolically

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And well, very likely identity

ripe berry
dusty trench
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Guest

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Look at Guest

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Not any possible identity

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But all depictions of Guest

ripe berry
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things like MitH and Franklin are more likely since they've actually appeared in AS

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but Schmoeface evens out the playing field for others to be the Guest without messing up the in WtRB part

dusty trench
ripe berry
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again
provides a potential Guest appearance in WtRB so they don't have to worry about if a character actually physically appears in WtRB or not for the criteria thing

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aka it adds more suspects on a technicality

dusty trench
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But

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Look at Guest tho

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Here are depictions of Guest

ripe berry
dusty trench
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Guest

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The different depictions of character

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In many ways

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The actual appearance, even symbols and such

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We can still narrow down identity

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And it ca still be in AS

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But we have depictions of Guest character

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Schmoeface could be one

ripe berry
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I'd say Franklin is still the most likely Guest Suspect even now in 2026

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because most other suspects have something that complicates their likelyhood

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ripe berry
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MitH quite literally falls under the "seen in the same room" way of elimination
same with Theodore, Aaron, and Quentin
Archivist, Janitor, other Librarians, and Beatrix never appear in the AS
Nicky and the Rescue Squad are all too young
Mayor, Gerda, and Keith don't match the body type

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Franklin yeah falls under "unknown if even alive"

dusty trench
ripe berry
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Blue Tape and Green Tape

dusty trench
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we assume MitH recorded the tapes
so MitH gets eliminated due to that unless you pull your (honestly crackpot) way to have MitH become he Guest

ripe berry
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I don’t think he recorded all tapes

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But I do believe that was MITH

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And if you’ve read above, I already explained that.

ripe berry
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yeah I know, but still, makes him just feel less likely y'know? nickyshrug

dusty trench
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What if we take the possibility of it not being MITH who recorded, which I believe he did.

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Because like, the hat is a big one. Which is in Guest map. So no.

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limber ridge
# dusty trench 2: Mr. Yi

Mr Yi was kind of a joke btw. Mainly built on the fact that Lucy has some connection to the Guest. I don't think he is actually the guest.

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limber ridge
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Specifically the librarian in the page

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It is like lighter. But still.

dense raven
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in MJMITH terms MJ before going into hiding

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Overall MITH was far from the priority and had to be requested as a character

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And the tapes became a thing in patch 2 soo

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Taking on the part of MITH not being planned much.

dense raven
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Alpha 1.5 was released 2020

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Trophy’s were added 2021 before badges

dense raven
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when did badges get added

dense raven
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wow

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well I don't have much to say on that

dusty trench
dense raven
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kind of a dead end to me, patch 9 would come out November first that same year and Mith is already "dead"

if badges including this one came out a few months earlier then that either means Investigative Journalism is either part of the new MITH story that they were cooking up for Act 2 or just mystery slop

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dense raven
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dense raven
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He's an investigative journalist too?

That's the only conclusion to be made but again I doubt it's MJ

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at the very least because the badge implies MITH is employed

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/hj

dusty trench
dense raven
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half joking

dusty trench
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Well

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What do you imply?

dense raven
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I'm nitpicking at this point buutt

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"Especially for cases that require systematic, in-depth and original research and reporting, often involving a deep dive into secrecy."

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the thing about being an investigative journalist is that you're pretty much doing it for the press, you know, it's a job

MJ is presumed dead and as such can't be really doing "investigative journalism" because well, people presumed dead don't really have jobs

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MITH according to the badge does

dusty trench
dense raven
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I dunno, I mean you get the badges for...

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...getting levels?

dusty trench
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And guess what

dense raven
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what

dusty trench
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They have lore

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Now

dense raven
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yeah I know

dusty trench
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Look at SN event

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Then

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Look at AS

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Then HN2

dense raven
dusty trench
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Hell

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Let’s throw in HN1 background house

dense raven
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which one

dusty trench
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figured as much

dusty trench
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Thought of the same house but asked anyway to be sure

dusty trench
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Like what I’m doing rn

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What time period (and periods) do you think MJ and MITH are most prominent?

dense raven
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the Petersons case would start booming and everything which would most definitely catch the attention of the press but knowing MJ he didn't focus on Theo alone and looked into everything that surrounded him

dense raven
# dusty trench What parts of SN and S&R?

well S&R overall I wouldn't really say that he'd be present there but like

the kids had to encounter him at some point (as SN implies) and I think it'd be easier to chalk that up to before they raided Ted to save Nicky

dusty trench
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Are you saying the depiction of Nicky’s saving and escape, or the stuff happening around like Guest, Aaron, and such?

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Or both

dense raven
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uhh I don't know I got a little lost

dense raven
dusty trench
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maybe

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to be fair it's kind of hard to say when MITH is the most promiment

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from all the undeniable appearances we have of him (SN, AS, HN2, HN1?) he has "consistent" screentime somewhat

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unlike MJ

dusty trench
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But, you say MITH is also prominent in Nicky’s saving and escape right?

dusty trench
dense raven
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likely

he could be the one to call the cops on Ted

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in AS they arrive like suspiciously early

dusty trench
dense raven
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Yup

dusty trench
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Do you suggest the tape where person is watching Theo in his backyard is MITH, or Missng Journalist?

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If we are going by that.

dense raven
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I think all the tapes are MJ honestly

dusty trench
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But blue tape

dense raven
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easier to sort them out, MITH makes photos, MJ makes tapes

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lemme check which one that was again

limber ridge
dusty trench
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Now this could’ve been a mirror

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Can add to MITH’s, mental state

limber ridge
dense raven
dusty trench
dusty trench
limber ridge
# dusty trench How so?

Because in blue tape the photo person is taking pictures of the guest, here a mirror is being pictured.

dusty trench
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Well

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Yea

dense raven
dusty trench
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But maybe same day

limber ridge
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I forgor

dense raven
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that's what I'm tryina figure 😭

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praying they have it in the gameplays

limber ridge
dusty trench
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Does it have to be in church?

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Somewhere outside I believe

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Or near church

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I see

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Then I guess it could have been like

dusty trench
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I believe they are random

limber ridge
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From a tree or smth

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Because like

limber ridge
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What location in the forest could have a mirror

dusty trench
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I believe it was placed by someone hinting to locations and what’s going on.

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By a puzzle master, but who?

limber ridge
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Beatrix maybe

dusty trench
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Or what if it's the guest/cult member trying to intimidate Quentin?

dusty trench
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Or like both

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Yea

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Dif goals

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Like either the Guest or a cult member

dusty trench
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Maybe the Beatrix newspaper

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To intimidate

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Make Quentin keep pushing himself harder than he needs

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Getting him closer to death

dense raven
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I think the MITH photo should be grouped with the rest of the patch 9 photos

dusty trench
dense raven
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which are foreshadowing/directly showing Act 2 (somehow??)

dusty trench
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Ima try and find

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And mayors house destroyed

dense raven
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limber ridge
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Okay i feel like the Smith photo might have been in the destroyed town

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It's seperate from the blue tape anyway

dusty trench
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such as Diane and Theo marriage

limber ridge
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So there is older stuff too

dusty trench
dense raven
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Well then

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I still have one ace up my sleeve

dense raven
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overall probably not

dense raven
limber ridge
dense raven
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Objectively true!!!

dusty trench
dense raven
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lore solved goodbye

dusty trench
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Even small town map has fear impacted stuff

dense raven
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Uhhh

limber ridge
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dip out of town and hang around the church

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everyone wants to be ROTM Smith nowadays

dense raven
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which would make it being an accessible location on the main map weird

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if that's meant to happen after

dusty trench
dusty trench
limber ridge
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If the catacombs/church basement/whatever area is the one where Quentin annoys the Guest it would be really funny though

dense raven
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it's in the files or something

limber ridge
dense raven
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sure knows how to say thanks!

dense raven
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because Guest had to save Quentin for a reason right?

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Would the reason really be uh

dusty trench
dense raven
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lol

limber ridge
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I think I lost track wait hold on

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Why would that be the reason

limber ridge
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Because of the crypt

dusty trench
# limber ridge Why would that be the reason

He is using Quentin as a vessel. He string to have Quentin make things worse, like for Theo as an example. Get him to follow his goal in a way, kinda like Guest in S&R. And Guest could just kill bum off after. And look at what we see in GN2, which ties directly to HN2 and HE.

limber ridge
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💀

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NOO it’s Guest view

limber ridge
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Cause it matches Guest view

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As that’s what we were talking about lol

limber ridge
dusty trench
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Might aswell make a book

dense raven
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Guest perspective is peak

dusty trench
dense raven
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lol

limber ridge
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I think it's interesting how Hello Guest was about to like, explain the mayak or smth, how it makes everything canon and such. But then once they scrapped it, we got a plot about yellow press. Quentin was an unreliable narrator.

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So basically I feel like those two do kind of connect

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Yellow press(or not yellow press, unreliable narration) and Mayak.

dusty trench
dense raven
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considering it was developed also as HG kinda

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Did I walk into something? 😓

dusty trench
# dense raven I really wonder how Mill was relevant

Mill we don’t know its full plot relevance of the time. As it didn’t get implemented to story much. As ROTM was just a transitioning phase of multiple ideas amalgamated to one but in a way where it was just brainstorming. That’s why it was called, Rumble On The Mill, and the mill generates heavy wind with speed, the AI would use items and put it in furnace to activate this. HN2 alpha 1 and alpha 1.5 have these ideas present, as Guest was tied as storm representation at that time (which he still is but in dif way), and Alpha 1 and 1.5 of HN2 had tweaks and such that changed the story of both in some ways. Such as MITH and Fake Neighbor for example. And the mill is in HE, we see its generating heavy wind, and is tied to machines generating purple electricity and lightning, even smoke is generated and such. He is experimenting with teleportation, loops, and such, with weather manipulation stunts as weather is directly connected to that. And he’s using Mayak tech. We see that this mill contraption has a railroad which I already explained, and it’s direct connected to the space building which is directly connected to Mayak. It represents it, and partially kinda is Mayak in a way.

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eager island
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# eager island mill is not hg

Yeah but Nikita's dropped its idea alongside HG's/"LNS"'s idea when he was asking "Hey guys which of these feels like HN"

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and they both got prototypes after them because people voted yea

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they're not relevant but they're relevant but not really

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What you say @ohjeepers99

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What vote you say

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? @dense raven

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what

untold lagoon
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What vote you say

dense raven
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what vote

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what are you talking about

limber ridge
dense raven
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I wasn't there when that vote was held

limber ridge
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Wait do you know where it was?

untold lagoon
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There was no vote

eager island
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yeah there wasnt any afair

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there was that one poll nikita has said "which one of these is a hn game for you" and it was a year ago

eager island
dense raven
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vote poll

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tomato potato

eager island
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they developed it like a month then moved to hn2a1

dusty trench
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He was trying to find the next idea.

dense raven
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I'm still pretty confident that ROTM was based off this in some way

eager island
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dude

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rotm created in 2019

dusty trench
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oh

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didn't see that date my bad

limber ridge
dusty trench
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and that the escape town and storm idea got recycled into ROTM because well

escape town and storm

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always bet on HN3 I guess

dusty trench
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It was just a concept

limber ridge
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pretty much

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like what 4 years after HG was actually made

limber ridge
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It was a reasonable guess, I'd say

dusty trench
dense raven
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yea

limber ridge
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I just assumed it was old because of that though without looking at the dates

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proven wrong

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does this mean there was a chance we'd get Hello Guest 2

dusty trench
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Not likely, definitely not the period of its release

dense raven
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I'm kidding

limber ridge
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I don't think any of those would actually be made tbf

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Think it was just for to future ideas and reference as to what is considered a HN game in the fandom

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Just imagine if we did get all those ideas as games though...

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Peterson skipping town

dusty trench
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dense raven
dense raven
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all that journey just for Nicky to dip back into Brooks LOL

dusty trench
dense raven
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yuh

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Really hoping Aaron moved out honestly

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but he's definitely not getting out like that

dusty trench
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limber ridge
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(if Nicky won't be in HN3 which I honestly think is likely)

gleaming dagger
#

ig that question is more for lore so
what is coins in the AS?

gleaming dagger
ripe berry
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gleaming dagger
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i hope S3 will explore even more of it

gleaming dagger
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alex said that trailer is done year ago

ripe berry
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(at least in achievement names and stuff)

gleaming dagger
ripe berry
ripe berry
# ripe berry they're optional collectables

they don't actually do anything in-game (other then make a Piggy Bank golden if you collect them all) but there's an achievement related to them (which is where Unlucky Coins is said)

worthy sable
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since when are unlucky coins a thing ?

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the books ?

gleaming dagger
ripe berry
gleaming dagger
gleaming dagger
ripe berry
worthy sable
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damn

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i don't know if catching up on the lore is worth it honestly

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heard people say it's trash

ripe berry
gleaming dagger
worthy sable
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hard lmao ?

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what does that mean

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like some parts are bad ?

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or hard to understand ?

gleaming dagger
gleaming dagger
worthy sable
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yeah okay wouldn't be the first time a game has a confusing lore cough cough fnaf

gleaming dagger
worthy sable
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the problem I have with hn's lore is that it seems they're making a lore only to make their game mysterious instead of telling something interesting

limber ridge
worthy sable
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i don't know how to explain it well but like their lore isn't talking about anything of substance

gleaming dagger
worthy sable
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it's more like aura farming

limber ridge
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I see

worthy sable
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yeah fnaf is really confusing

gleaming dagger
worthy sable
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like they could have talked about heavy subjects like kidnapping or death and grievance but instead they're juste creating cults ??

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and luck-manipulating objects like anyone cares

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so the games are juste jumpscare baits now

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pretty sad

gleaming dagger
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at least i hope so

worthy sable
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wasn't the series aimed at freeing the kid from the neighbor's basement ?

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how many seasons are there

gleaming dagger
worthy sable
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oh

gleaming dagger
gleaming dagger
limber ridge
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Wait sorry

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That was the mistype of the century

gleaming dagger
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AH

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HERE

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yk it's such a shame that AS doesn't have any filler episodes at all

I never thought I'd miss this type of episodes lol

worthy sable
#

greed ?

gleaming dagger
worthy sable
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i don't know much about hn's lore and i can't see how that fits as a good topic

eager island
worthy sable
eager island
gleaming dagger
gleaming dagger
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does AS have kickstarter?

eager island
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no

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they should have poured their all into the games

gleaming dagger
eager island
dense raven
gleaming dagger
worthy sable
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seeing how hn2 was disappoiting

gleaming dagger
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it was the most unprofitable idea

dense raven
worthy sable
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books also was a stupid idea they didn't learn anything with fnaf

gleaming dagger
dense raven
dense raven
eager island
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they looked for network like 2 years

gleaming dagger
eager island
gleaming dagger
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unlike of AS

eager island
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and then boom

gleaming dagger
dense raven
worthy sable
dense raven
eager island
worthy sable
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a casual player doesn't care about a book

worthy sable
dense raven
worthy sable
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still

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the games gameplay aren't that interesting or good (judging by the backlash hn2 suffered from) and their lore are locked behind books not accessible to non-anglophones

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so if your gameplay isn't good and your lore isn't easily understandable

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what else do you have

gleaming dagger
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but in fact

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it only made things even more confusing than it were

worthy sable
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well maybe it's only a me thing idk

limber ridge
gleaming dagger
worthy sable
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but a think a good game should have all it's content in the game itself

limber ridge
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Because people thought "crowface" was the guest but in reality it was the cult

gleaming dagger
limber ridge
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Granted they are gonna explain that next season probably

gleaming dagger
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but ig hn hide and seek tells us short version of lore

eager island
gleaming dagger
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but alex just randomly decided to explain

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which was obvious asf but

gleaming dagger
limber ridge
eager island
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actually AS is about guests origin

gleaming dagger
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okay i will wait
but i still dont understand what happened to S3

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and where it is

eager island
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just gatekeeping now

gleaming dagger
eager island
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all of the eps was done in december

gleaming dagger
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i heard that s3 finale is being remaked

eager island
gleaming dagger
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idk if thats true

limber ridge
gleaming dagger
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then i have no idea

worthy sable
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is the serie good ?

eager island
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personally no

gleaming dagger
worthy sable
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uh

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they really got nothing going on

chrome maple
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its pretty good just that its not my thing and is kinda confusing

worthy sable
chrome maple
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maybe

limber ridge
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But it has some good aspects I guess

gleaming dagger
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if you look at the series as separate from the books and other lore, then it's...just ok. not totally TERRIBLE or perfect

limber ridge
gleaming dagger
worthy sable
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lmao

limber ridge
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I think it's fun

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Well

worthy sable
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i wish for a hardcore hn game with good ai

limber ridge
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Hit or miss I guess?

chrome maple
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oh god the humor

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i hate it so much

limber ridge
worthy sable
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lmaooo

chrome maple
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i completely forgot about it

limber ridge
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The slang usage is completely unprompted.

chrome maple
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it annoys me so much

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it was so unneccesary

limber ridge
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I liked like 2 jokes maybe

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Maybe

chrome maple
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i dont remember any "jokes" except the slang use

limber ridge
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There's one moment when Trinity's mother tells her to get in her room, then her father says the room's on fire

chrome maple
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that one was kinda funny

worthy sable
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the kids are from secret neighbor right ?

eager island
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yes

worthy sable
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how come we don't see them in the mainline games ?

chrome maple
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the rescue squad

limber ridge
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But it had like 0 impact either way considering it just

chrome maple
worthy sable
#

uh

limber ridge
chrome maple
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id say vr is pretty mainline

worthy sable
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hn1,hn2,hide and seek, the mobile phone game maybe ??, hn3(which is not released but yeah)

chrome maple
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ok

worthy sable
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secret neighbor is a mutliplayer game it can't be mainline can it ?

eager island
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its a spin off

chrome maple
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personally id say that hnvr is closer to mainline than a spinoff

worthy sable
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don't know nothing about vr

eager island
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for me mainline games are

h&s-hn1-hn2-hn3

worthy sable
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what about the mobile phone game ?

limber ridge
eager island
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uh yeah

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only played the free part

chrome maple
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i mean technically the rescue squad is in the lore of hn1 but not in the actual game

eager island
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because it has like

worthy sable
chrome maple
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i agree

worthy sable
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that's the kind of thing i don't like

chrome maple
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its dumb that hn1 is the story through nickys view

eager island
limber ridge
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HND does like nothing for the story

worthy sable
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oh okay

limber ridge
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The only thing it does is make book lore more accessible I guess?

eager island
limber ridge
chrome maple
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just not seen

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since they rescue nicky right?

eager island
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yeah but has no effect to hn1 storyline

chrome maple
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yeah

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i know

eager island
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aaron rescuees nicky

chrome maple
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the lores so weird i hate it

eager island
worthy sable
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in hn isn't nicky fleeing by himself ?

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since you know

eager island
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yeah

chrome maple
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i thought the rescue squad helped him

worthy sable
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i played the game and none of those useless kids helped me in the worst part of the game

limber ridge
eager island
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and then

worthy sable
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the cutout kid

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right ?

limber ridge
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Yes

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That's Aaron

worthy sable
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isn't he also the shadowy figure ?

eager island
eager island
chrome maple
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i used to think that too

limber ridge
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Not at all

worthy sable
chrome maple
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thats not aaron

limber ridge
worthy sable
#

oh

limber ridge
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That's the metaphorical embodiment of fear

worthy sable
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is he more symbolic then ?

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yeah okay

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so like

limber ridge
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The characters just feel him

chrome maple
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but in AS nicky sees it somehow

worthy sable
#

we're protecting younger nicky from fear ?

limber ridge
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We, the player, see him

eager island
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because the neighbor unlocks the door

worthy sable
#

red key ending ?

limber ridge
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Because the player views things from a supreme perspective

eager island
worthy sable
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oh okay

chrome maple
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do the fences even actually exist?

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or is it just nickys imagination

eager island
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probably not