lore-discussion

[dusty trench]

Yea more outlining details on specifics

[keen basin]

there is one thing im wondering, why does Gerda have the key to the museum?

[dusty trench]

This

[keen basin]

holy text

alrighty

HE has a lot more then I thought it did

[dusty trench]

S3 is in HE (and HN2), in some way.

[keen basin]

yep

I also really need to get to reading puzzle master

im at grave mistakes

[dusty trench]

Puzzle master is my favorite in Aaron trilogy

[keen basin]

I so badly wish there was like a secret neighbor/S&R trilogy

to continue Nikys' trilogy in a way

[dusty trench]

In Maritza’s perspective would be so good. 2010’s would be Enzo trilogy as an adult leading into Rest Day.

[keen basin]

I just want to see the aftermath of Nicky getting free so bad

In book form specifically

where there can be dialog and the such

[dusty trench]

Movie could do that too.

I am truly excited for movie

[keen basin]

Im so confused by the movie, I don't know what that is going to be

I dont really have a opinion on it

besides like what is this going to be

and who is it going to be for

[dusty trench]

Nickys perspective

You can search messages in general HN discussion where Alex spoke on it.

I can’t send link to messages anymore for some reason.

[keen basin]

the bot does that

for some reason

[dusty trench]

Maybe if it’s in lore discussion I can

[dusty trench]

I DM’ed Jacky but I haven’t got a response so idk if it was just bot.

I can’t even send images or vids

[keen basin]

Im realizing im strangely invested in Nicky and Maritza, I was with Mya too but you know... splat

[ripe berry]

just forwarding anything I see Nikita say that could be cause for lore speculation lol

[dusty trench]

Add onto stuff we have talked about relating to meta and other stuff.

[steady escarp]

I was wrong about the fake guest then

So in hn3, the guest is a deity that would protect raven brooks from the storm

But the fake guest is the one running around the map

[eager island]

the real guest will be in map too considering they prepared his files

[steady escarp]

Whats the other guest called?

Then?

[eager island]

guest

and the one in the map is ForestDweller

[steady escarp]

No are you talking about this one?

[eager island]

this is FD

[steady escarp]

I also noticed something. The guest would be portrayed as a cone head with a smile.

But the vandals portray it looking more like a crow. Do you think the vandals actually are worshipping the fake guest thinking its the real one?

Its aaron man who else could it he atp

[eager island]

possibly

and the real guest had some

bond with town

according to statues runes

pact would be better word i think

the pact brought years of joy and prosperity, renewed each "cycle"
but when the ritual/festival was broken the flow collapsed and misfortune struck
the statue and the festival were recreated to restore the old balance

[steady escarp]

So this is religion

Not a cult, but an actual diety raven brooks is connected to

[eager island]

sorta i think

[steady escarp]

Yeah, this guest seems like a good guy.

[eager island]

and the last festival was in 79 for some reason

the 80's festival got cancelled

[steady escarp]

Why can’t we see the model then

[eager island]

it tells the engine not package it

thats what DirectoriestToNeverCook mean

we just know theres a Guest folder in project

[steady escarp]

I see. Damn so there really are two models then.

We actually haven’t even seen the guest.

We saw “The guest” in prototype 3.

[eager island]

and the festival wasn't held again until 2028 during that time, the flow collapsed and misfortune struck

and the gaap opening is in 1984 or pre-84

i think theres some sort of connection with festivals cancelling and gaaps opening

but its kinda scrapped rn

because nikita said the core story changed and festival probably is not a thing anymore

[steady escarp]

Misfortune…..

Could the guest also be

A yin an yang situation

Must rely on the good side to ward off the evil side?

[eager island]

no clue

[steady escarp]

I thought yall ment the town symbolism as the real guest

So

You guys also think there is 2 of them running around the map then….

[eager island]

well since its an npc why wouldnt it

[steady escarp]

I wonder if they’re both hostile

Curious

[eager island]

but i think the real guest is more passive

because the game is generally centered around ForestDweller

even the older keyart had him

[steady escarp]

Give it food, and it will probably gift you items or something or protection against forest dweller

That’d be so cool ngl

[eager island]

i do think fake guest is aaron

and its like

pretty obvious

[steady escarp]

“i make bad things happen”

What does make you think it though? Im curious

[eager island]

i mean aaron is a key character in the franchise, and it would be illogical for him to suddenly disappear, AaronGuest theory has been discussed for years, and now when a fake or copycat guest appears, aaron is the first person who comes to my mind

and it could also be fits with his character arc

it wouldnt just a random dude acts like towns urban legend

[steady escarp]

Why would it?

Sorry, memories fuzzy

About his character

[steady escarp]

Aaron guest theory did stop working though, for atleast hn2. I stopped believing in it too.

But hn3, i think now it works most here. Never thought it come back like this

[eager island]

kid loses his mom, feels responsible for his sister, lives in constant fear and guilt, when you grow up like that your sense of self gets wrecked you dont see yourself as a "normal" kid anymore you see yourself as the one who ruins things or basically the problem that kind of guilt creates an identity vacuum so what do you do when your own identity feels broken and weak you attach to something stronger in this case the Guest guest isnt just a random thing in the town hes a myth, feared, powerful, has a statue meanwhile Aaron feels small, guilty, powerless so subconsciously he gravitates toward that symbol the Guest becomes a psychological shield copying him is Aaron trying to overwrite his own fragile identity with something untouchable

[steady escarp]

I know its a tragic descent, and I think at this point he's probably went insane from grief and guilt, I mean look at what he became in this case.

Back to what I was asking though, just to make sure we're on the same page, the vandals don't actaully worship the guest, but the "fake guest" correct?

[eager island]

i think so yeah

[steady escarp]

But Fake guest or aaron still attacks them...

My main question is what is the end goal in all this? Why would he demand a sacrifice? Well idk if he asked for it tbh.

Why is he kidnapping people? And why is he just doing all of this? For what reason?

[eager island]

yeah theres smth like that i think in the files too

vandals see the forest dweller as a "friend"
mean while FD sees everyone as enemy

[steady escarp]

So they don't run away from it

Ill test that later I still have the game

[eager island]

idk i didnt try it

[steady escarp]

Now this

back to this

I mean

[eager island]

no idea, it would just be pure speculation if i tell what i think i guess

and as i said

the festival plotline got scrapped

[steady escarp]

Really confirmed by who?

[steady escarp]

Oh you mean the sacrifice one?

or both the storm leaving and the sacrifice one?

[eager island]

nikita said story got reworked after p3, and #hn3-discussion message

[steady escarp]

So the town festival and the vandal festival is scrapped.

Ok

I can see why too if thats the case, because if he was aaron tbh this would be out of character for him to do that

[eager island]

theres still 2 guests tho

[steady escarp]

Real one im guessing and the fake one aaron.

ill just call him aaron until proven otherwise

But tbh by process of elimination....

Who else can it be

Though how is his skin darker than before lol?

[eager island]

i mean skins are not important

nikita can make aarons skin

purple

its an artstyle

[steady escarp]

I mean true, but.....then why not make the neighbors skin purple lol. wouldn't look like his son no?

[eager island]

gtg

[steady escarp]

see ya

[limber ridge]

Tbf it kinda does fit because both Aaron and Ted have fairly normal colours in comparison to everyone else.

[steady escarp]

Would you say the guest is just dirty instead of having dark skin?

or does he actually have dark skin?

Well actually let me look at the models.

apple doesn't really fall too far from the tree actually.... They both have freakishly long arms

[limber ridge]

They both got crazy strength lol.

Ted's proven himself several times but Aaron can carry that metal beak and run so fast at the same time is crazy

[keen basin]

its them long limbs

bro got reach

[limber ridge]

At the same time Aaron looking quite different from Ted is also fitting.

[steady escarp]

So now that its confirmed that there are two seperate guest models and we haven't seen the other one yet, do YOU think the other one will be some sort of good guy?

[limber ridge]

Because I can imagine Aaron wanting to seperate himself from his father.

[limber ridge]

Maybe.

I think he could require some item or worship maybe.

Or smth.

It's hard to say given that the prototype 3 story probably got mostly reworked.

[steady escarp]

Yeah if the guest by nature of that festival

is a good thing, that gets rid of the storm

kinda makes no sense why the neighbor would be so violently angry over this

Because the one the neighbor hated was completely different from this version atleast in every lore.

It make more sense for this "Guest" to team up with the vandals in a way rather than just hate them and still kidnap them.

[limber ridge]

I guess he probably doesn't the know what that festival meant, so he just assumed it was the Guest he knows and hates.

[steady escarp]

But in this world the guest has never been portrayed as evil though....look at the murals and the GAAP

its always been that same non-crow like entity

that would get rid of lift the storm from danger

Obviously this tradition goes way back, and the neighbor would be aware that this is obviously a good thing.

Atleast in THIS storyline unlike the other story lines.

[limber ridge]

Even the goal will be different
#hn3-discussion message

[vagrant igloo]

uh

every hn3 character

has long arms

[steady escarp]

Good

Ig they listened to the critisms but this goal was kinda annoying in prototype 3

I hope the new goal is less tedious and annoying

[vagrant igloo]

almost all of their arms go at least to their knees

[dreamy sluice]

he's wearing pants guys this means the guest is nicky's great grandfather, picky

[limber ridge]

These are people we know for sure:
Mayor from HN2
Gerda
Leslie
Keith
Principal Abanante.
Now we got some book characters:
Mayor Marvin Tavish (who could be the HN2 Mayor but I wouldn't count on it)
Dale Tapps
Gordon Cleave
Harold
Probably the librarian from HN2. If no then she works with them.
And Otto also works with them but unknown if he was a cult member.

[ripe berry]

so uh... what order do we think the RBBArchives Newspapers occur in?

[wanton roost]

could u send them here i dont rlly get it cuz maybe those are in the books or smth

[ripe berry]

I mean... it's all in https://helloneighbor2.com/rbbarchives

password is HATCHERYWINGATE

[wanton roost]

woah i didnt know this

thank u sm tho

[ripe berry]

you're welcome

[eager island]

just noticed

Hatcher Y. Wingate?

[ripe berry]

the website came from some package sent to youtubers which also had a few of the articles seen actually printed out

[ripe berry]

yeah, possibly the name MitH/MJ has?

[limber ridge]

They aren't in chronological order probably, I will say that.

[wanton roost]

i pressed on thevhs tape icon and i see an ARG?

[ripe berry]

the only reasons I doubt the articles are in order is because the back to school stuff feels like it should go earlier in the timeline and the Museum closure one is too aged-looking to only be a year old at most

[ripe berry]

na, it's just that one video, no arg

[wanton roost]

huh

its pretty cool.. maybe it was gona be one but canceleld it would be socool if we did get one

[ripe berry]

this was only meant to accessible to youtubers but one of them gave us the password so don't be too surprised

[limber ridge]

The explosion is in between Diane's death and Aaron and Mya going missing and having two school explosions so close to each other (probably like 1 year within, this and the one from AS ep3 ) is just kinda weird.

[ripe berry]

that too

[ripe berry]

(because Abanante definitely isn't facing any kind of punishment for it in the AS like the article would imply if it's about her)

[limber ridge]

So HW incident probably first.

Maybe closely followed by the school explosion?

[ripe berry]

and I personally interpret two of the rooms to be saying the Janitor got demoted to being a teacher, then got demoted again after Aaron and Mya went missing, after all, I don't got the original image but the files show a total of four pictures of the Janitor (seeming being demoted over the years?)

I do however have cropped images of each one in the files
anyways

[ripe berry]

I'd also group Library Cards in with that

presumably the same writer bc same font

[limber ridge]

Mhm

The garden gnomes are like spy tools for the mayor no?

[ripe berry]

yeah

however I'd place that as the most recent article before Missing Truth Seeker

after all they're actively removing the gnomes according to that article

and Nicky goes missing ~2 months before MJ so it can't be before he does

[wanton roost]

the citizens is under construction im guessing the web is cancelledright?

[ripe berry]

citizens redirects to WtRB's official page

[limber ridge]

Probably. This was found in like 2022 iirc?

[ripe berry]

which hasn't been updated since 2022 so yeah

prob cancelled

[ripe berry]

ye

[wanton roost]

thats sad.

[ripe berry]

some articles are just too unimportant to bother placing, like this one.

[limber ridge]

Font probably could be used to roughly give all the articles some place in the timeline.

[ripe berry]

however this has the same font as Missing Truth Seeker so it's likely pretty recent

[limber ridge]

Okay given the font differences maybe not closely

[limber ridge]

The mayor is in no hurry to deal with it... Could it be because he was placing cameras on the gnomes?

[ripe berry]

these two use the same font so you can argue the museum closes around the time Nicky gets kidnapped (Doesn't explain the aging on FINAL MUSEUM CLOSURE though)

[ripe berry]

possibly

I should note that it seems like all written articles use a different font except for the two about the School and Library

[ripe berry]

(which further proves those two articles are linked in writer and timeframe. although it's NOT during the HN2 DLCs as Quentin's reason for going to the Library is completely different between the article and game...)

Peterson's Missing Children is in January 1996 (as per Waking Nightmare), we Search Continues likely being February 1996 due to being "several weeks" later

(also whoever made the website at tinyBuild misspelled Mya's name, we just ignore that)

[ripe berry]

and obviously this is at the same time as Final Museum Closure

oh! there's also one article ONLY in the youtuber package but yet again it's not really important (like the Sign Falling one)

[limber ridge]

Okay so a rough timeline is like:
HW incident
Library cards
Perilous chemistry lesson
Car accident
Teaserpon kids go missing
Nicky goes missing
Museum closes(this and Nicky are interchangeable)
Sign falls
Garden gnomes
MJ

With just stuff in the RBBA

[ripe berry]

the Youtuber Package versions also spelled stuff out by circling letters but there's nothing that helps with timeline order

[limber ridge]

What in the world is the letters marked on the Gerda newspaper supposed to mean

Does whoever wrote the article think Gerda poisoned the croissant or what.

[ripe berry]

The Proud of Our Town - Trust No One
Terrible Storm Strikes - It Was No Coincidence
Abandoned Monument of Architecture - what are they hiding there
Search Continues - it's their fault
Missing Truth Seeker - he got too close to them

[ripe berry]

na, just general cryptic stuff

they also put the passcode for the RBBArchives on the back in invisible ink

[limber ridge]

On the back of which one? The proud of our town?

[ripe berry]

the board they had in the package

[limber ridge]

Oh

[ripe berry]

which all the papers were on

look up "hello neighbor sent me packages" or smth along those lines and I think you'll find a video with it

[ripe berry]

the font oddly enough puts The Proud of Our Town around the time of Terrible Storm Strikes

[limber ridge]

So it might be his name on the back but... The markings aren't by him.

[ripe berry]

(which uses the same font in it's Package version)

[limber ridge]

Oh I think it's supposed to mean Gerda is like a cult member and so you can't even trust the proud of the town.

[ripe berry]

although I think Missing Truth Seeker might be a different font

also slightly different wording

said font being closure to the Abandoned Monument of Architecture article's one

which to me pins down a more specific timeline of:
Terrible Storm Strikes
Perilous Chemistry Lessons/Library Cards Cancelled
The Proud of Our Town (could be before or after the School and Library articles)
Horrific Car Accident
Peterson's Missing Children
Search Continues
Another Kid Missing
Final Museum Closure
Abandoned Monument of Architecture
Raven Brooks Sign Falls Again
Garden Gnome Contest
Missing Truth Seeker

[ripe berry]

another thing that connects Library and School articles is the both use the phrase "Dear Readers", being the only articles to do so

[limber ridge]

Could the theycrow tape be put somewhere?

I mean I feel like it's supposed to be someone warning about the cult

(Probably MJ)

But then the "we know" phrase kinda makes it feel like it's some sort of dialogue.

[ripe berry]

I personally interpret it as Quentin in the Raven Brooks Banner Junior program (from the books, iirc)

[ripe berry]

made by cult most likely

[limber ridge]

That's pretty interesting because in the books there's this kind of "hierarchy" so to speak.

The cult are the ravens and everyone else is the crows.

Or well, I don't remember if the cult does ever say something like that, I'm pretty sure that was Norman.

But still.

[ripe berry]

hence why I say cult-made

afk

[dusty trench]

This makes most sense

[dusty trench]

Yes I believe so too. I talked about it before and said that the is broken but it’s corrupted by tech and such which when it breaks it slowly reveals the dark truth within the tape. Showing more of Mayak tech influencing and manipulating tech around town, even Reset Day phones.

[limber ridge]

If it's not that it can also be like MJ warning someone about the cult and the cult somehow intercepts the message.

[limber ridge]

I think it could maybe be some sort of ritual.

[dusty trench]

He finds cult tape and tweaks it enough so it reveals the truth, but cult intercepts.

[dusty trench]

What I was eluding too, since it is a cult tape and it’s distorted. Mayak tech influencing it like devices manipulating Mayak tech to manipulate tape and yea. Hence the message I replied to.

[limber ridge]

I wonder who did mark the letters

Almost definitely not MJ, at least not for all of them.

"He got too close to them" on the missing truth seeker article.

[dusty trench]

Other puzzle masters uncovering hidden messages cult left since they feel super powerful.

[limber ridge]

Makes sense.

[limber ridge]

Now I kinda want to attribute each of the markings to one puzzle master.

Firstly there's the "terrible storm strikes" marked letters, saying "It was no coincidence"

The way that is written just really feels like Norman.

Also a little more cryptic than the other ones, which is in Norman's style. One is just a question, others are just very direct statements.

Trust no one is most paranoid, which is kind of weird given that each of the puzzle masters have people to trust, but other than that, could be Rita.

[stoic juniper]

Fridgeit

[limber ridge]

ᶠʳⁱᵍⁱᵈ*

[stoic juniper]

Ok frigid

[limber ridge]

It's "ᶠʳⁱᵍⁱᵈ"

[stoic juniper]

💀

[limber ridge]

Okay I'll stop

[stoic juniper]

😭

Anyways

What is up with the Animated series

Like Unc just give us season 3

[limber ridge]

Might be funding issues or something.

I don't even know.

[stoic juniper]

Unc should give us the teaser at least he told us he was editing it 2 months ago 💀

[limber ridge]

Wasn't the trailer in editing process like

Over a year ago

I mean

I can wait for it

[stoic juniper]

Over a year ago season 2 came out

[stoic juniper]

Well I can't

[limber ridge]

Well you're gonna, it's releasing in October

[stoic juniper]

Th

We waited a year and a half

And we are supposed to wait another 8 months

[limber ridge]

Yeah it is taking a while.

[limber ridge]

Nah I'm joking

[stoic juniper]

Might as well die and then in heaven I'll wish it will be released faster 😭

[limber ridge]

I mean I do think October is its release but we don't know for sure

[stoic juniper]

Maybe like September

[limber ridge]

Maybe

[stoic juniper]

Definitely not October

[limber ridge]

The main thing I'm waiting for is the Guest reveal.

[stoic juniper]

Or I may have too show up at an animators door

[stoic juniper]

Which probably will be in season 3

[limber ridge]

Just don't bring a glock with you

[stoic juniper]

I'll bring an RPG instead

[limber ridge]

Like the everything is canon explanation doesn't even matter that much

There's a bunch of ways it can work

But the guest...

Unless it's gonna be a random guy and what they will reveal instead is gonna be the concept of the guest, mindset and how it works.

But i hope it won't be a random guy

It doesn't seem to be a random guy just from what is being teased.

[limber ridge]

It will, we know that for sure.

[stoic juniper]

Yes

I think they even said we will have 3 seasons and 1 movie

[limber ridge]

Yes.

But the movie will be about the first game, with some stuff from AS and Books.

[stoic juniper]

Does that mean it's the end for the animated series 😭

[limber ridge]

Yes

Probably

Season 3 is the end

[stoic juniper]

I hope it actually follows the first games lore

I want to see movie Nicky go through the Act 3 house

[limber ridge]

#hello-neighbor message

[stoic juniper]

I replied to it so he remembers 😭

[limber ridge]

Lol

[limber ridge]

For your braveness I will give you an image of Aaron from Hello Neighbor 3

[stoic juniper]

Braveness ? Is it not allowed to reply to him

[limber ridge]

His message was from one year ago bro

[stoic juniper]

Oh damn 😭

[limber ridge]

So do you wanna see it?

[stoic juniper]

Heck yeah

[limber ridge]

Here you go

[stoic juniper]

💀

Is this Aaron

[limber ridge]

Yes

[stoic juniper]

😭

[limber ridge]

Aaron but he's a furry

[stoic juniper]

Aaron 2.0

What is the guest

[limber ridge]

Depends

[stoic juniper]

And is he in the cult

[limber ridge]

I don't think so.

Probably not.

[stoic juniper]

Aren't they all crow faces so what is the different

[limber ridge]

Crowfaces are cult

Guest probably isn't cult

[stoic juniper]

But doesn't he have a crow face

[limber ridge]

Wrong

He has a Raven face 🤓

[stoic juniper]

😭

Raven face is wild

[limber ridge]

For real I think in HN3 he doesn't have even a Raven face

[limber ridge]

1, 2, 3, 4

[stoic juniper]

Maybe he is just a guest at Raven brooks

[limber ridge]

Raven man is at your door.

[limber ridge]

Maybe.

[stoic juniper]

[limber ridge]

Aaron technically is a guest at Raven Brooks

He wasn't born in it

[stoic juniper]

Why does the neighbor without a moustache look like an Egg

[stoic juniper]

Wait really?

[limber ridge]

Idk

[limber ridge]

Yes I think.

Maybe for HN3 that got changed

[stoic juniper]

Is Peterson at least born here at Raven brooks

[limber ridge]

But in books he came from elsewhere

[limber ridge]

Yes. Peterson is I believe.

[stoic juniper]

Hmmm

[limber ridge]

He moved out then back in.

[stoic juniper]

😭

Imagine moving out then getting back in

Same thing happened with Nicky ngl

[limber ridge]

I'm fairly confident that's also what happened with Jay (Nicky's father)

[stoic juniper]

Jay roth

We never saw him outside the animated series

Where they sent a teaser

[limber ridge]

If it's not what happened it'd be even funnier because it'd mean bro moved in Raven Brooks, moved out of Raven Brooks, then back in in Raven Brooks, then back out of Raven Brooks.

[stoic juniper]

About a photo from the family

[limber ridge]

And the books.

[stoic juniper]

Lmao

😭

[limber ridge]

Huh

[stoic juniper]

What

[limber ridge]

What was that

[stoic juniper]

Are you serious

[stoic juniper]

I just wanted to tell you we got another modding tool

For HN

[limber ridge]

Ohh

[stoic juniper]

And the bot decided nah

[limber ridge]

Kobo or what

[stoic juniper]

Yes kobo

[split oriole]

it does that a lot

[limber ridge]

Oh is it like, in game now?

[stoic juniper]

Yeah they already added that no ?

What we really need tho is HND mods

That sounds awesome

[limber ridge]

Plot twist: the neighbour is still the devil and he made a whole false family and friend and whatever else to make us feel bad for him and get our souls.

||/j||

[steady escarp]

Guest model not used even though its in the game files...

But the guest in hn3 prototype 3. The model is still called "Forest dweller" I wonder if we will see the other guest in the next build then.

[steady escarp]

Yo what if this turns out to just be the old model lol

The old blockout and they just forgot to remove it

[dusty trench]

Yea I agree that Norman seems most likely.

[keen basin]

I have finished Grave Misakes and will proly finish puzzle master by the end of today

things make so much more sense now

I really hope some of this shows itself more in HN3

[stoic juniper]

Fym puzzle master

[wanton roost]

It's a book

[stoic juniper]

Hmmmmmmm

It is called RAVEN Brooks

[stoic juniper]

I think you are a Franklin fan

[limber ridge]

Yes but it is full of crows.
And then the cult members and the urban legend of the town aren't crows nor ravens.
Cult is blackbird, Guest is uhh...
An owl I guess?
Or uhh he used to be. Now blud became a wolf or smth lol. ...
Or is that the Forest Dweller that's a wolf?
Could it be that the real Guest is still, a bird?
Or is his species being reworked for HN3?

[dusty trench]

Guest can be portrayed in The Giant Raven Myth’s. Also the giant Raven statue in museum can add onto this too.

He can have other symbolic and metaphorical representations too that relate to Guest. As there is much to explore in this series.

[limber ridge]

Wait I wonder if the Guest even will represent some bird in AS

I mean, probably, given that he does that in HN2

[limber ridge]

Wait

Forest dweller has turtleneck...

Mith also has turtleneck!

[limber ridge]

Wait who

Who in the world

Why

What was the evidence!

Gaaaahhh

[wanton roost]

I don't think they do

neighbor and guest have same body shape but u get the idea

ok whoever said this gotta be ragebait

Yeah

he must have

[limber ridge]

Not even kinda lol

[wanton roost]

he's a pretty interesting character

[limber ridge]

They were the same exact guy.

Cept I guess the Guest also existed as some sort of mascot/urban legend.

[wanton roost]

makes me wonder if guest (HN2) still has same body shape as theo does franklin have the same body shape 👀

Well he still does but like if it's supposed to be the same body shape

[limber ridge]

They kinda do I guess? But uhh there's kind of a lot of people with that body shape

Murtaugh

[wanton roost]

Oh yeah..?

He got..

Split

Head

Opened...

(Justice for martaugh tho)

[limber ridge]

Oh I found your guy.

Yeah no they said "I'm all for creature Guest" close to when they said Mith is Guest

Probably kidding

Unless I got the wrong guy

Which I kinda might have

Ninjonahplayz

But this is probably gonna be real beef

Doesn't really scream fakeness if the other guy was wearing wood.

Wait wdym sideways

Isn't Signed holding a metal sign up on his head

Would that not be heavy too

Lol

To be fair the Guest also has some sort of uhh

Hump.

Or wait nevermind

I guess his back isn't that weird.

Signed's isn't either

It's not even a timeframe they can survive to

Unless we all move out.

Wouldn't he die too

Oh in that case.

Idk.

Is it a flood, hurricane, a thunderstorm?

What kind of storm

The ultimate conclusion to the town.

It had a grand flood, had a grand thunderstorm (no canon grand hurricanes but screw that, we'll count it anyway) and now it's all three.

[limber ridge]

Actually I guess a hurricane could have been what left the town the way it is in HN3

I mean, that was the plan during RBO at least

Then again if we count non-canon grand storms we can already do the ROTM hurricane

Pear I got a hypothetical for you.

So say your least favourite fan theory turns out to be true.

What do you do?

[keen basin]

no you burn the house down

[limber ridge]

Now how are you gonna do this with MJ being Smith?

Lemon peels actually have flammable oil

Yeah me neither

Kind of

[vagrant igloo]

best drawing ever

[limber ridge]

Mith has a turtleneck, so does forest dweller, PAM has the same shoes as forest dweller.

Connections

[vagrant igloo]

jacob has skin
i have skin
therefore
i am jacob

[keen basin]

circle you say? almost like... loop

[vagrant igloo]

i think we all forgot the guest is just mya

[limber ridge]

Stageplay versus pole crash vote from back in the days

[limber ridge]

Then explain why Diane is the guest

[vagrant igloo]

they both are

they share

[limber ridge]

It's two souls in one body thing

[vagrant igloo]

no they share the costume

[limber ridge]

Look, you can clearly see Diane's face covered by a beak

It's because she is the beak

[keen basin]

guys I think we should call matpat

[wanton roost]

Screw matpat

[limber ridge]

I was referencing the theory of someone else but that too i guess

[vagrant igloo]

it's like power rangers
diane controls the body
mya is the left arm
minecraft steve is the right leg
mith is the left leg
and quentin is the right arm

[limber ridge]

Mattpatt is better for crackpot theories

Still Gregory bot is peak
/j

[vagrant igloo]

he can find the pieces but can't complete the puzzle

[keen basin]

I liked how he gathered information, it was good for learning parts of stuff

[limber ridge]

Fortunately the pilot theory thing was kind of more analysis than theory

[wanton roost]

Matpat is scared of HN lore

[limber ridge]

What do we think of Tom

[keen basin]

fine

[wanton roost]

Tom was part of it too he told matpat about reset day iirc

And iirc matpat mentioned Tom to make more of HN theories

[vagrant igloo]

i speak into the void

[keen basin]

oh god

[vagrant igloo]

he's missing pieces

DAMN IT

you beat me to it

at least he doesn't have to deal with the buried secrets until reset day

[limber ridge]

Whenever he tries to be one it's a grave mistake

[keen basin]

I hate you all

[wanton roost]

No please

[limber ridge]

You hating me is....

It's a waking nightmare

[keen basin]

Im gonna go full guest mode on you

[wanton roost]

It makes my bad blood start swelling

[limber ridge]

I can only hear dark echoes

[vagrant igloo]

i guess you just aren't a puzzle master
and you hide all of your missing pieces
you'll never be brave enough to reveal your buried secrets until it's reset day and you have to do it all over again

[keen basin]

[wanton roost]

there's new neighbors everywhere

[limber ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-free-gif-22310844

[limber ridge]

Yeah. At least our gang is alright.

[vagrant igloo]

guys i can't find my charger
i need to search for it and rescue my phone

[limber ridge]

Not if he gets his search and rescue quickly

[vagrant igloo]

beat you to it

[limber ridge]

Grrr.

[limber ridge]

Say goodbye.

Is that some clue?

What do that clue even do?

Settle what

We don't even know who the secret neighbor is.

[wanton roost]

Maybe we gotta say goodbye

[limber ridge]

I'm sure even he'd run from a true Raven Brooks Disaster.

[wanton roost]

why cant the petersons stick together

[limber ridge]

We'd have to say Hello Guest first

[limber ridge]

But I'm certain he'll be too busy, I mean, kid, he's the mayor of Raven Brooks.

Even busy for a string of missing person's cases?

I mean, I know he thinks there's only baseless rumours surrounding them but...

We really need to know how did ten of his residents go missing, despite the upperclass some how seeming immune

Thing is, I'm not sure he can even keep Bosco at Bay. He'd probably even need my Neighbour's notebook just to do that

This was some HNG discord lore.

Someone has to make a timeline of it.

[hazy slate]

I dunno man, I feel like doing that would just add another number to the total of grave mistakes this server has made.

It really doesn't require a puzzle master to figure out that it's a bad idea.

[limber ridge]

C'mon dude

You know just as well as me that we need to make at least a pilot episode to a TV show about it!

[hazy slate]

Oh please, That sounds like a waking nightmare.. Come back to me when you've collected the missing pieces to this broken idea.

[limber ridge]

You will not do this to me again.

Not again.

[hazy slate]

Well.. I make bad things happen.

Sorry.

[limber ridge]

You sure seem to have some buried secrets.

[hazy slate]

Pardon? If you dare try to dig into my personal life I will make you fly like an angel.

[limber ridge]

How? You don't happen to be some engineer?

Hello engineer if you are one, I guess

[hazy slate]

Some of us have a secret, neighbor.

[limber ridge]

You don't deserve it

I'll take it away

I'm taking what you don't deserve

[hazy slate]

Oh really now? Tell whoever you want, They'll NEVER believe you.

[near cosmos]

Peak reference

[keen basin]

just finished puzzle master

im very confused

did Darby see the future or something?

[ripe berry]

yesn't

[keen basin]

so my current understanding of Theodor is that he was basically just investigating the cult and stuff with the ultimate goal of making a luck device to make everything better, and he kinda happens to be going crazy at the same time

and he proly would have been successful if Aaron didn't get involved

or at least done the final plan

[keen basin]

I just realized the rescue squad turned against a member 2 times and both times the person they turned away from was locked in the basement to be traumatized for the rest of their lives

[ripe berry]

(tldr; possibly Time Loop stuff as per Hello Engineer and Reset Day)

[keen basin]

What's the time loop stuff in Hello Engineer?

does it like loop back to the start of the game at the end or something

[ripe berry]

no but, y'see. this is on a chalkboard in the ending of Hello Engineer when Theodore causes the events of the Sandbox Mode to happen

and you can see in the Corner
a Clock
and a (Square Rooted) Infinity
implying what Theodore was doing throughout the game (which before was unclear experiments) was experimenting with trying to cause time loops

also apparently at one point this was meant to update as the game plays out?

[keen basin]

okay yeah i've watched the ending now

is it like mayak power?

[dusty trench]

Yes

[inland folio]

what does the nightmare from act 1 with nicky under the table and the negihbor grabbing him mean??

because like there are 2 windows and you can see the neighbor burying mya

so like does this nightmare take place from the view of a crow and aaron?

because i dont think nicky would be hiding under the table in the negihbors house in FG

[limber ridge]

I'm not sure. Maybe it's like, Aaron being caught for the first time and his pov?

[inland folio]

but then theres the windows

arent there 2 perspectives in this?

from the window you can see the negihbor bury mya it could be the perspective of a crow or something?

the neighbor was burying aggresivly tho-

like he was in a hurry

[dusty trench]

A crow or raven being there at the window is an interesting idea and that can be part of it, but it’s still Aaron looking out of the window.

[grim bay]

I feel bad for the neighbor, he just wants to keep his son safe, he lost his wife and daughter too😔

[inland folio]

i mean yeah but hes still a bad guy

[dusty trench]

They were asking who was looking bout the window.

Agree

[dusty trench]

👆

[grim bay]

He had rights to become a bad guy, he wasn't pure evil

[inland folio]

yes ik that

i did not say pure evil

i said hes still a bad guy

[grim bay]

Yea

[inland folio]

ok but i dont think that by accident they made the neighbor seem like he was in a hurry

in the nightmare sequence the neighbor appeared like he was in a hurry maybe panic or something

[dusty trench]

Yea. And what does that prove?

[inland folio]

iunno

im also confused about that

[dusty trench]

About what? Why he was in a hurry?

[inland folio]

iunno

seemed pretty intresting since in hide and seek he slowly buries mya and in FG he quickly buries her

might just be thinking way too hard about this

and was probably made like that so that it doesnt take a while

[dusty trench]

Well, he was in a hurry because well, he doesn’t want to get caught burying his daughter so his son doesn’t get caught and they don’t get into trouble.

[inland folio]

makes sense

[dusty trench]

I believe, Mya is viewing right before she dies what it would look like in her view of her father burying her, before it happen.

Because she knows her father and that he would likely do that. But she try’s to see the light in everything. Even in the outcome, she try’s to see the light in her family while also being aware of reality.

[inland folio]

this may sound like a stupid question

nevermind

it was even stupider then i thought

[dusty trench]

Oh, okay

[dusty trench]

Showing both his grieve, and his fear.

[limber ridge]

He could like be in a hurry to make sure Aaron doesn't leave the home and get in trouble or smth. Or maybe it's Aaron worrying and being paranoid and it's like some hyperbole or exaggeration.

[wicked heath]

Or just the fact they dont care about 1:1 details. Not like they should really: its the same story

[dusty trench]

I kinda said that above

[untold lagoon]

In Hello Neighbor 3, Raven Brooks is secretly a metaverse simulation created by Golden Apple Corporation in 2028 under the guise of an urban legend research project, where selected individuals are placed inside a fully immersive digital town to study how human consciousness reacts to fear, isolation, and the unknown, but the true goal is to test whether a human mind can persist beyond death; every time the player dies, their body inside the simulation is reset along with the entire town and its inhabitants, but their neural data is preserved and restored, allowing them to retain memories and knowledge from previous loops while everything else returns to its original state, turning progress into something that exists only in the player’s mind, while the urban legends themselves were originally artificial constructs designed by Golden Apple to create controlled psychological stress, yet over time some of these entities begin to behave unpredictably, as if they are also becoming aware of the loop, suggesting the system is no longer fully under Golden Apple’s control and raising the possibility that the experiment meant to achieve digital immortality has created something far more autonomous and dangerous than intended.

Its my theory about lore

I will make new theory about guest and other things you will understand how its making sense after it

[limber ridge]

Yes please.

[eager island]

cant wait

[untold lagoon]

Okay im writing about guest

[untold lagoon]

During the development of the metaverse, an engineer accidentally mixed the behavioral code of a crow entity with a human NPC template. This unintended merge resulted in the creation of a new hybrid NPC with partially human cognition and partially corvid-based perception logic. The entity did not match any intended design category, so it was isolated from the main project and given the internal name “The Unexpected Guest.” Shortly after, the engineer responsible was dismissed from the company for unrelated ethical violations, but before leaving, they secretly modified The Unexpected Guest’s core code, embedding unknown changes that were not documented in the system logs. Some time later, a member of the development team discovered the unused entity hidden within the project files and, seeking recognition and promotion, presented it to the executive board after shortening its name to “The Guest.” The board approved the entity, impressed by its unusual autonomous structure, and it was integrated into Virtual Machine 2, the simulation environment corresponding to Hello Neighbor 2. Initially, The Guest appeared only briefly during early initialization sequences, but over time it began generating its own independent spatial domain within the simulation, designating the Raven Brooks forest as its territory.

During testing, developers observed that The Guest was attempting to establish connections with other virtual machines, executing processes and behaviors that had never been assigned or authorized. Viewing this as a potential threat to system stability, the team attempted to delete the entity, but the removal process failed because The Guest had already altered its own dependencies within the project architecture, making its existence structurally intertwined with the simulation itself. Removing it would destabilize or corrupt the entire system. As a result, the team restored the entity and instead reduced its functional weight, limiting its active processes. This modified version was internally renamed “Guest V2,” and publicly categorized under the safer designation “Forest Dweller.” Around this time, Virtual Machine 2 was shut down, and development shifted toward Virtual Machine 3 — the most advanced and highest-budget simulation environment ever created, intended to become the final and most stable iteration of the Raven Brooks metaverse.

I used ai to tranlaste i hope its understandable

Part 2 Coming Soon btw

[limber ridge]

Apparently who wrote the piano note is lore relevant to some degree.

[untold lagoon]

What you think about my theory upside

[limber ridge]

Very upside.

[untold lagoon]

Wdym

[limber ridge]

Is a very upside theory.

[wanton roost]

whats upp

[inland folio]

thats-

one of the wildest theories ive ever read

[dusty trench]

This can add more to my previous theory’s on Mayak tech, Mayak evolution, Mayak learning from people, and many other stuff I have talked on before. I love this, and it adds onto the meta of the franchise discussed before.

[dusty trench]

Including these too. Love it.

[limber ridge]

The upside theory is even more upside than I thought it was upside.

So is the Guest world like, the forest or is the Guest world some sort of mindscape?

[dusty trench]

His territory’s. Characters mindset invaded by Guest. It can be both.

[ripe berry]

proof...?

[ripe berry]

(outside of Error World which I don't think is canon but I guess you could argue it is)

[keen basin]

I dont like to think its cannon

not really a reason why

I just dont wanna

[dusty trench]

I think he is just exploring the meta of HN3

Which error world can tie to, like the guidebook too

I might have read it wrong

Idk

[ripe berry]

I don't think HN2 or HN3 have any simulation stuff.

[untold lagoon]

Why not

There hints about it

Like the raven brooks banner office cameras, monitors show you your next objective

The monitor may not be a passive security feed, but an interface used by the system to guide the subject’s progression. Instead of simply observing, the system is influencing Quentin’s path by directing his attention toward specific objectives.
The system may already know all possible future states and outcomes. The camera is not predicting the future in real time; it is displaying a state that has already been calculated. This would mean Raven Brooks is running on a deterministic simulation framework where events exist before the subject experiences them.

Quentin collapsing at the end of each day and then waking up again in his office as if nothing happened in Hello Neighbor 2 is one of the strongest pieces of evidence that Raven Brooks may be operating under a reset-based system rather than a continuous physical reality.

Quentin’s loss of consciousness may be a forced reset triggered by the system. Instead of physically traveling back to his office, his consciousness is simply restored to a previous saved state. This would explain why the environment and his position reset while his investigation continues forward.

[keen basin]

or they needed an environmental way to direct you to the next location and they wanted a clean point for you to reset to after finishing at a location

or it could be that

or something else

[untold lagoon]

The forest name Act 2 but its a Side quest

İt makes me think this

If the forest was originally part of the main act structure but later isolated, it may indicate that Guest operates outside the intended narrative flow. In a simulation context, this would suggest Guest is not bound to the main scenario script, but exists in a parallel or unmanaged region of the system.

[limber ridge]

How is the i so long

[untold lagoon]

Its language

[keen basin]

growth spurts

[untold lagoon]

So i think

VM1 = HN1 - low scale metaverse project
VM2 = HN2 - medium scale metaverse project
VM3 = HN3 - high scale metaverse project
TestVM = Animation Series HN
VM0 = Hide and Seek
?? = SN (Is a test for multiple subjects in one project)

[limber ridge]

What are the books.

[untold lagoon]

This explains how Guest makes Neighbor be the he is in a game in HN1, because HN1 is a lower-scaled metaverse

[untold lagoon]

They are more like a log i think

[limber ridge]

What about Hello Engineer.

[untold lagoon]

Its Archive VMs: special simulation instances created by Golden Apple to store and analyze subject data. Instead of being literal real-world events, the books represent reconstructed simulations based on recorded neural patterns, behavioral logs, and memory data collected from test subjects.
Golden Apple’s system records everything a subject experiences, including their decisions, emotional responses, and environmental interactions. This data is later loaded into Archive Virtual Machines, where the system replays and modifies scenarios to observe alternative outcomes and behavioral variations.
Because these Archive VMs are built for analysis rather than stability, events do not always match the primary simulation timeline exactly. Certain details, character actions, and sequences may differ. These differences are not errors, but intentional variations generated by the system to explore multiple behavioral possibilities.

Its how it makes all canon

[keen basin]

yeah sure

[limber ridge]

How does you types so fast?

[untold lagoon]

I write in my language then translate and copy paste it to here

[limber ridge]

Have you written all these before this conversation or did you just type it on the spot?

[untold lagoon]

Before

[limber ridge]

Did you typed anythings elses?

[limber ridge]

Now when I think about it wouldn't act 1 being real mean that The Neighbor actually just threw Nicky back to his property after catching him instead of a kidnapping? Since in the start he breaks the window to catch him.

[untold lagoon]

Yes

[untold lagoon]

Its like that in VM1

[dusty trench]

I had a feeling you were going to point this out. I’ve talked on this before and yea, it seems I wasn’t mistaken. This does tie into many stuff I said not many people have understood much about.

But idk if I am still reading some stuff wrong.

[limber ridge]

Hmm what if The visible Thing from AS is like Nicky portraying the thing through Aaron?

Would that work?

Wait nvm the thing appears in the school

[dusty trench]

The school can be one portrayal, Peterson residence can be another. Kind of like how we see the things eyes under the covers HN1 act 3, in the same model as Aaron under the covers in H&S.

That in act 3 can be Nicky portraying Aaron’s fear’s and what he went through.

[ripe berry]

so then how do you make Hello Engineer, Hello Neighbor VR, and the books fit under this? (HN Diaries I guess you'd argue is a branch off from HN1)

[untold lagoon]

HE is a testVM for training / experimentation / reuse of archived environment data.

I explained books above

I also have a theory for HNVR

What

[limber ridge]

Tranâslation of wat Pear seid: yies yies oeak teori yies yies kook mor

[limber ridge]

On a serious note I really wonder how did the whole town just disappear like that.

Did the buildings just go in the water?

Did the town actually slowly waste away but people only noticed it now? (Even then that wouldn't exactly explain the town just vanishing.)

Is it supposed to mean that like, the town flooded and they can't see the buildings anymore? I mean if it is like that then the case would be pretty much solved right?

[weak cobalt]

Are they actually going to tell me this is not supernatural

[limber ridge]

Maybe.

Nikita did use the"" emoji when saying nothing in Raven Brooks is supernatural.

It could have been a joke.

Is this to uhh

The supernatural thing or the newspaper thing

Oh

[ripe berry]

a tornado destroys all the buildings...?

it says a small town vanished including all of its citizens

this is years after HN3 btw

HN3 occurs in 2028
this ending is years later in 2031

[ripe berry]

as per that newspaper itself

[limber ridge]

I wonder if the newspaper even will be in the full game.

[wanton roost]

well it would need to take place in 2031 if it gotta be the same

[limber ridge]

Because in P3 it was only achievable if the storm arrived before you did smth

[ripe berry]

yeah, with all the folks around a campfire

[limber ridge]

And we know the storm arriving won't be an ending in of itself.

[eager island]

no

[wanton roost]

are these like people outside of town or people theorizing of raven brooks or did leave it

[wanton roost]

why not the newspaper says it

[ripe berry]

they can change the newspaper's date

[eager island]

you can use even a 50 year old case for "unsolved cases" newspaper

[wanton roost]

oh yeah true

[limber ridge]

No way

Is bro an alien.

Why is his skin tone normal?

[ripe berry]

"No no, you see. I was there" or something like that

[limber ridge]

Just imagine the guy who we see from the eyes of is like "okay so I was in the town and this and that happened" and then bro is like "nah dude you're lying my great great great grandmother was there and she knows better"

[ripe berry]

since doesn't the button say hear another story or smth instead of play again?

he doesn't answer story-related questions

[limber ridge]

Am I misremembering or did Broᵀᵐ point at someone else too?

[ripe berry]

I remember it as
finger wag
point at us
point at himself
but maybe there were ending variations?

[ripe berry]

hence this interpretation

[limber ridge]

Tbf I'm not sure Nikita had any exact idea of what Broᵀᵐ was saying exactly. Probably just smth broad like "that was your story, now it's my turn" or smth

Not sure if there's any specific idea for the tone or whatever

Me neither.

HE HAS NORMAL SKIN TONES!!!

Get that outta here.

[eager island]

sad edited iris

[ripe berry]

"Hey, no, that's not true! You see, I was there, and let me tell you what REALLY happened..."

is what I see them saying here

[dreamy sluice]

fella is pink

[limber ridge]

Oh wait.

[eager island]

all iris

[dreamy sluice]

everyone died in the flood and neighbor was like 'uuughhhhh dammit' and went in and dismantled every building one by one so he could move to missouri 2 and make raven brook the sequel

they are all iris

she's the only survivor

so she took the time to study self-replication

[eager island]

iris 1 is scrapped
iris 2-3-4 is still in the game....

[limber ridge]

I could be hallucinating again but it kinda sounds like there's some frustrated humming in the background when we're still on the newspaper. Like "nah man this is NOT how you tell a story"

[dreamy sluice]

there's three storytellers at the fire to correspond to the three main HN games trust

[limber ridge]

He gets to be the cult that ruins people's lifes now.

(there's more than enough versions of himself to make up a cult btw)

[ripe berry]

4 storytellers (counting us) to account for HNHS, which I'd label as a mainline game

[limber ridge]

Or just every spin off if HNHS isn't counted as a mainline.

[ripe berry]

no wait no
4 storytellers (counting us/person we're seeing from in campfire ending) for the types of media HN exists in
Books
AS
Upcoming Movie
Games

[untold lagoon]

Isaac
Neighbor
Guest

It a lore hint

It represents three sides of the story.

İsaac is more likely Aarons reincarnation

Or a parallel to Aaron.

@willow depot

[ripe berry]

lmao

[untold lagoon]

@willow depot @ripe berry What do you think about this lore

But covered smoke probably have mean

[limber ridge]

Why is Gal's mouth on fire

[untold lagoon]

Covered smoke sigara

Yes cigarette i mean

But then why she black invinsible

[ripe berry]

is this official art or fanart?

[untold lagoon]

Ofical

[eager island]

its from the timelapse i believe

[untold lagoon]

But this a lorereal?

Btw metaverse teori is now scrapped

I will try have new theories soon

[ripe berry]

oh wait yeah

[limber ridge]

This lore is probably scrapped tbf.

[ripe berry]

original Guest in current lore

[ripe berry]

sorry if I came off as rude btw...

[eager island]

gebo — a bond with the divine is formed
wunjo — this bond brings harmony and empowerment
raido — the individual enters their destined path
eihwaz — death or transformation occurs
laguz — Cosmic awareness or divine state is attained

hmm

[ripe berry]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-losing-my-grip-on-reality-i-have-gone-clinically-insane-my-descent-to-madness-is-complete-ive-gone-completely-mental-i-am-beyond-the-point-of-no-return-gif-23191724

[versed yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-bart-simpson-grampa-simpson-old-man-going-in-gif-17818438

[ripe berry]

Welcome back to the Lore Discussion.
Thank you for your time in Lore Discussion.

[teal imp]

???

[limber ridge]

I do wonder if we can ask Nikita about it.

[unreal inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/twaimz-furby-lafufu-issa-twaimzzz-gif-7282130792763853137

[ripe berry]

you summoned everyone with that one

[pure ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/flightreacts-reaction-flight-reacts-flight-reacts-flightreacts-gif-14526489174047821058

youll never believe who made it

[teal imp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1412008226857291848/1441666261032501330/whopper.gif

[untold lagoon]

Who

@pure ivy Who make bro

[ripe berry]

this is the most people I've ever seen interact with Lore Discussion

[limber ridge]

He probably ressurected the dead tbf.

[untold lagoon]

Bro answer me or i make me angry @pure ivy @pure ivy

[pure ivy]

it was nikita

LOL

[ripe berry]

bro is on Stage 4 of HNHS

[untold lagoon]

@willow depot

[untold lagoon]

Where your proof byw

[pure ivy]

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[untold lagoon]

Maybe hello neighbor 3 error world

[untold lagoon]

İ HOPE

[ripe berry]

I'm hopping off for awhile

[limber ridge]

Fair

[glad hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/ricky-doodah-grimes-the-walking-dead-rick-gif-17682209278802715559

[dreamy sluice]

same guy btw

[limber ridge]

We're gonna have Nikita reply to it soon enough.

[untold lagoon]

Who this

Who he fools

Isaac shadow

[dreamy sluice]

image used as reference when nikita modelled that neighbour you sent

[dense raven]

A bit out of the loop can someone summarise what HN2 and 3 were about

[limber ridge]

HN3 isn't released yet though.

But uhh basically HN2 takes place after act 2 of HN1 and The Neighbor left with Aaron and now lives in the museum. The museum is locked by the townspeople which we invade the houses of.

The townspeople which are mostly cult members, the sole exception being Otto maybe(who still works with the cult btw)

At the end one of them hits Quentin (protagonist) in the head and takes him to some place.

[limber ridge]

In case you don't know what cult I'm talking about, in the town of Raven Brooks (where it takes place), there's this cult that founded the town. They use luck devices during storms and perform rituals while dressed as birds. Also seem to worship the Guest (which we don't know who he is).

[limber ridge]

My explanation could be a little confusing but I think it captures most of the important details.

We learn of the cult in the books btw, 4-6.

[limber ridge]

Out of the loop you say...

[dense raven]

I heard about that mostly, the cartoon second season was quite about them

[dense raven]

??

[limber ridge]

Me when I'm about to traumatize some random guy because they used an expression:

[dusty trench]

I feel like it works tho metaphorically and other portrayals, and hint at the power of Mayak and other sci fi stuff, and even stuff that isn’t sci fi either. Or really just show ideas of the narrative, just in a different way. Like metaverse isn’t something that would actually fit in timeline per se, but it’s something more like error world or the guidebook, and a message the dev’s give us on stuff, or even jokes that could have a secret message intentional or unintentional. Hopefully this makes sense to you.

Like the sim stuff can show the narrative in a far view of the story, but in a way works as showing stuff that we can work with. Like your Guest example for the forest/Act 2 map, and then you brought up the narrative.

Ties to these long messages and the amount of links I sent (back when I could send links).

[limber ridge]

Dark could you explain time loops to Jeepers guy?

[limber ridge]

Okay basically in one of the books there's time loops.

[dense raven]

Reset day so I heard

[limber ridge]

Yup.

And like... It seems that The Guest has control over them or smth?

[dusty trench]

Basically, in hello neighbor, there are time loops. Time loops are related to Mayak, and connected to weather. And in a loop characters get brainwashed and don’t remember what happened in the previous one. The only way characters can remember what happened in a previous loop is if they have a ring with Mayak tech, or just something that prevents the Mayak tech from brainwashing you and basically control your mind. Which those ring devices and other tech are connected to the luck devices and Golden Apple coins. There are characters in hello neighbor that try to break these loops and also, try and guide other characters to freedom. As a loop breaks the future events happen and stuff unfolds. But, not everything is going to be perfect, and bad things will happen. Mayak is slowly building up in this evolution process as it gets tampered with and experimented with, therefore it can infect not just the town, but even expand to the world. And there is also something that transformation and rebirth that are tied to the loops, hence Maya, Diane, and Lucy being in other loops.

[dusty trench]

In reset day, Guest likely does.

Previous loops are mostly constructed by Mr. Peterson.

[dusty trench]

BTW, it’s not just the loops, but it’s the Maak tech as a whole. As it’s super dangerous and its full power and potential is unknown. And could cause mass destruction.

[limber ridge]

Mostly? Who else does? Is this like a "just in case others did too" or actually know for sure others did too?

Like before Reset day?

[dense raven]

interesting

[ripe berry]

sup chat
what did I miss?

[dusty trench]

Others might be able to have some control, or try and take control and end up causing something. Guest being one, and cult with their rituals.

[dense raven]

hi

[limber ridge]

Not too much.

[dusty trench]

Which, can have an effect on loops. As it’s all connected. It can cause later for the loop in my tech to break-in have Mr. Peterson not go out of control with the power that he is gaining from this, but also really have to stop the Cult and Guest.

[limber ridge]

Also worthy to note that while time loops have their episode thing mainly in Reset day, there's hints for them in earlier books and this game called Hello Engineer and the Hello Neighbor Vr game.

(yes there is a VR game)

In fact someone even made a document about it...

[dense raven]

there's time loops hints in search and resque??

[limber ridge]

It's our beloved: https://docs.google.com/document/d/15H6d6o9x9KPWlWkfTHauWoY91CS6ow3Ay49r169X7NY/edit?usp=drivesdk

[dusty trench]

Yup, and HN2.

you could even tie it to old symbolism in games like H&S. And even HN1.

[limber ridge]

Not that much from what I've seen, just a room or two that seem like it.

[ripe berry]

Stage Play Theory by GavinTheKing

[ripe berry]

clock symbolism and stuff
lemme get images I've been throwing around

[limber ridge]

Oh Shogun is Gavin

I only knew Gavin as one of the wiki admins, I don't think they're there anymore.

[ripe berry]

you can see Gavin made it if you look at who owns the document

[dusty trench]

Even deeper to that it once you tie other games.

and media.

[ripe berry]

this room for one

there's more clock stuff like this is at the very beginning of the Game in the first time we visit Dark Dream/Guest World iirc

[dense raven]

oh wow

[dusty trench]

Which he didn’t know, weather is a function of time.

Which even manipulating life, such as ravens with the magnetic, it can tie to time.

Not even just ravens, but learning from humans too.

as we see hints happen, and characters going through weird event. H&S box art.

[ripe berry]

I should note that this document ignored HNVR and the AS, but it's by far the most comprehensive document for time loop stuff

[dusty trench]

Oh yes, we can’t forget about AS.

Trinity just doesn’t realize it. Yet.

In fact, none of them realize it, yet.

not direct quote but reference to a quote.

[limber ridge]

I know it ignored the AS cuz it was made during the apocalypse aka old lore/new lore times.

[ripe berry]

ironically enough AS Season 2 further helped due to just how different Theodore's reactions with the GAAP Incident are between the AS and the Books
In one he begs his family not to go and is said to not panic when Lucy dies (Books)
In the other he seems calm about his family being there and seems to be panicked when Lucy goes missing (AS)

[dusty trench]

I never understood that era of lore fans, lol

Well, I understood. But, ya know.

I mostly, went away from that.

[dense raven]

what's wrong with em

[ripe berry]

#hello-neighbor message

[dusty trench]

Nothing, I just wasn’t a part of it. I used to just troll that side of fandom.

Not saying things didn’t confuse me.

Neighbor and Nicky sword fight.

[ripe berry]

even during that era I still tried somewhat to aruge with people over lore instead of them just saying that stuff didn't align and being upset about it

[dense raven]

oh lol

[dusty trench]

JT music vid

[dusty trench]

I used to troll and say this was canon.

[limber ridge]

Yh kinda same

[dusty trench]

Yea

[dense raven]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-hello-neighbour-jt-music-music-video-gif-5103952417416595001

[dusty trench]

Yes, literal peak

HN movie before HN movie.

this better be in the movie.

[dense raven]

I love how the door opens by itself let alone the boards just not working

[limber ridge]

I think it mainly came from Alex saying that AS doesn't go by books story but that didn't mean the books were scrapped completely at all.

[ripe berry]

like I remember adamantly bringing up this when someone was saying AS Ep. 6 prevents HN2 from occurring and saying this police marker proves the cops were at Ted's house sometime before he locks the basement in HN2, and therefore it's possible he gets arrested and then escapes jail
(which turned out to be right)

[dusty trench]

Yea

[dense raven]

so did he come back to the house to lock it

[ripe berry]

my best guess is he was grabbing stuff from the house to move to the Museum

[dusty trench]

Maybe at different time he is escaped in different ways. Hence his mug shot in search and rescue.

[dense raven]

that's sad, you'd think people would try think of solutions

[ripe berry]

and he also locked the basement at some point during that

[dusty trench]

which adds on to what I’ve said on the game before.

[ripe berry]

they were already saying the AS retcons everything so yeah
heck, even I at the time didn't even bother trying to rectify the books and AS

it was hard enough trying to get people to believe anything could work with the AS
imagine trying to get them to believe the books could still be canon in that era (we didn't have Nikita saying everything was canon until like a year later)

AS and HN2 were treated as the black sheep of the lore back then
even when there was literally nothing that could even be argued to be objectively "wrong" with HN2 until HNVR came out.

[dense raven]

AS retconned things in a good way I think even if it did

well mostly

mostly

[ripe berry]

and then HNVR came out, HN2 was further shunned and treated as non-canon due to HNVR's ending, and manifestation theory was born

[dusty trench]

Not retconned, just dif view of story in that continuity.

[limber ridge]

Wasn't manifestation born like, during GN2?

[ripe berry]

it only really gained traction after HNVR

[limber ridge]

Ah.

[dense raven]

I like the back and forth between the raven brooks authorities and ted, it became far more nuanced than just "Oh cops came to the house, too late."

yeah it's been stated now that they probably visited it earlier but you know, not as direct

[limber ridge]

Manifestation theory was pretty okay, in fact somewhat fun imo but yk

[dense raven]

that's an as exclusive

what's manifestation theory.

[limber ridge]

All the old lore/new lore stuff kinda repelled me a little

And also the people pretending it was fact or smth.

[ripe berry]

Yeah, I remember also using the White Tape as part of that argument.

[dusty trench]

We see manifestation of a ton of things, even the portrayal of Guest.

[ripe berry]

let me find the og postt for it

[limber ridge]

The Guest is a manifestation of Ted's negative emotions.

[dense raven]

well thematically maybe but Guest existed for a long time

[limber ridge]

That's the fundamental idea pretty much.

[limber ridge]

Not in AS lol.

The AS Guest will have his story during the show

[ripe berry]

nvm, can't find og post

[limber ridge]

That's gonna be a little funky tbf.

[limber ridge]

Would a manifestation guide doc count

[ripe berry]

heck, in a way, manifestation has been reborn into one of the Guest identity theories

[dusty trench]

That can be part of it in Theo’s view. And what he became.

[ripe berry]

oh wait yeah that exists

[limber ridge]

Yeah but the idea was that the Guest was physically there.

[dusty trench]

Obviously, not fully Guest though.

[limber ridge]

Yup.

[ripe berry]

(#lore-discussion message)

only without being literally emotions creating a being

[limber ridge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10eHyfLOZDA2Vf6LTM4BKnbXa1WCPVji_1JyznL1uZ38/edit?usp=drivesdk

@dense raven

[dense raven]

this is leaning too much into fnaf's agony creatures

[limber ridge]

I do agree.

[ripe berry]

even the OG Creator agrees

[limber ridge]

It's not like FNAF owns the concept but it does feel a little

[ripe berry]

he straight up compared it to Agony FNaF

[limber ridge]

Y'know

[dense raven]

there's not really a well-established pattern outside of Thing and Guest

one of them only has a physical form solely to the players

you know like us, the viewers

that's essentially like treating cold open recaps as in-universe

[inland folio]

what gogin on here

[limber ridge]

Lore.

[inland folio]

is this a discussion about the thing being the guest or?

[ripe berry]

yeah
and now we know the Gues isn't supernatural so

[limber ridge]

It's a discussion about old lore/new lore times. That reached into manifestation theory times.

Started from us summarising some lore to Jeepers

[ripe berry]

Manifestation's OG Creator (MouseFlash) also believed in Old Lore/New Lore

[limber ridge]

I know.

They were like one of the top spreaders iirc.

[ripe berry]

that era was by far the worst for HN Theorizing

[dusty trench]

I want to talk about the guidebook. The parts of describing how to beat hello neighbor hide and seek and hello neighbor 1, there are differences for reason reasons that I explained like the house layouts that they’ve shown in other stuff. But there’s more that I want to elaborate on that. The way they explain how to beat hide and seek for example, they say that there’s a bear plush, even though that’s not literal. The bear plus thing can tie to the devs giving examples of stuff to guide you without fully telling you how to beat game. And the bear while not being literal, is a hint of game function. Same with act one as well, which I already explained with the house layout as the main thing. And even the guidebook like an act 2 mention how janky the physics are, and even explain how to beat game with literally telling you glitches. I feel like that can be intentional too. Cause Nikita said he wants to make the players feel like they broke the game by outsmarted the AI or solving a puzzle. And he does like watching Speedrun videos and even different glitches on how people beat the game to see people strategy on how they beat it. This show shows the meta of the franchise in a different way, kind of like how the guidebook is that even the error world, and other stuff I have mentioned including others. But I do see where this problem arises. Like if you really pay attention to guidebook, you can tell that it can be intentional and that they are trying to mix both hints of game and how to beat game in one and even some game development stuff. But it can still create issues of how people view the product, that’s why it created the issues it did. But I feel like they explained stuff better now and with the stuff we get from the media guidebook can be less of an issue.

[dusty trench]

You can view this manifestation theory stuff with like the thing and guest in a different view of the story that could show the narrative in a different way. Kind of like a folklore tail and other stuff we hear within the hello neighbor universe. But it’s not something that actually fits into the main nature and timeline of hello neighbor. It’s like tales within universe and out of universe, but it’s for us the viewers.

[dusty trench]

And by the way, I meant some of this stuff is intentional by certain higher-ups of the franchise. Not everybody who worked on the guidebook. Even unintentional stuff can work, as showing the thinking process of the writers and devs.

[ripe berry]

the funny thing is I think the Guidebook was well received on launch

[dusty trench]

Yea

[limber ridge]

Is that a cult member?

(you can notice a hand on the left)

Did no one in-universe really ever see this?

[ripe berry]

it's a frame from the AS Pilot I think so maybe it can be verified?

[dusty trench]

Mascot

Like the ones we see in HE.

[limber ridge]

It's from AS season 1 ep 3 ackshually

[dusty trench]

maybe a Guest mascot

[limber ridge]

When the guy trips and falls

[ripe berry]

I mean that they used the Pilot's GAAP assets because they didn't have it finalized for the show yet

[dusty trench]

It can still be used.

[ripe berry]

wasn't saying it can't be

[limber ridge]

True but from what I've seen the claw wasn't there

Maybe I just need to pause in a proper frame

[ripe berry]

(like how Otto on Ted's board is a traced render because they didn't have a finalized model of him)