lore-discussion

[stoic juniper]

Oh yeah

Where can we go look

[limber ridge]

#old-rbo-discussion message
This one, maybe could be the island plot

[stoic juniper]

Yeah

[limber ridge]

Go to channels and roles then get the archive role if you can't access it

[stoic juniper]

I have it already

We need hello neighbor remastered

[limber ridge]

Oh okay that's cool

[limber ridge]

Yes

#old-rbo-discussion message
This would be quite easy, it doesn't even take place in Raven Brooks.

[stoic juniper]

Here are the images I found

[limber ridge]

#old-rbo-discussion message
This is just hello guest. Lore wise I wonder how it would work though.

[stoic juniper]

Honestly that could fit in the animated series

[limber ridge]

They look really cool. Playing as neighbor would be great in general

[stoic juniper]

Yeah

Do we have more ?

[limber ridge]

Yes

[limber ridge]

#old-rbo-discussion message
Now this would be... Interesting

I guess the mayak just made more mutants or smth and they got to new York.

And Peterson is leading them for some reason 😭

[stoic juniper]

Lmao

[limber ridge]

What does bro even want from new York and why

[stoic juniper]

Is RBO cancelled?

[limber ridge]

Pretty much

[stoic juniper]

Maybe sum money

[limber ridge]

It's HN3 now.

[stoic juniper]

Damn

[limber ridge]

RBO was very cool too.

[stoic juniper]

Haven't tried it but it looked promising

[limber ridge]

I can't really decide whether I'd be more glad if RBO was to be continued or if HN3 is better

I mean, probably HN3 still.

Anyway

#old-rbo-discussion message

I guess Imbir just steals food.

#old-rbo-discussion message
And lastly.

What does Nicky want from his neighbour now...

He got traumatised last time and now he breaks in again

[stoic juniper]

That would lowk be fun

Maybe Petersons uncle

[neat phoenix]

That's Pablo, he is shy

[stoic juniper]

[limber ridge]

Ew is that a mustacheless neighbor that's disgusting.

[stoic juniper]

...

Chat dark L is awake

[dusty trench]

RBO was alway HN3. Like a multiplayer mode and the single player mode. There were many plans for many premises in RBO you can go to, and even like different kids of sandbox. But because if the recourses and time, also they have to focus on things one at a time, it’s held off rn and we should not expect it to come back because its canned asf this time period pretty much. And part of it too is the dev team not having the recourse rn to have to moderat game a ton and deal with toxic players online rn. A lot of recourse would be needed, and they could try small now but they really want to work towards working on things one at a time so we gotta wait and see.

An owl maybe? Or fear representation (the thing portrayal perhaps)?

[limber ridge]

A crow/raven would make more sense than an owl imo.

[dusty trench]

Yes

Hold on lemme pull up a teaser this reminds me of

[limber ridge]

There was another one with this nest thing

Just from the background and I don't think it had the eyes inside

It has guest sneaking up in this wide field.

[dusty trench]

Here it is https://youtu.be/OsgsnxOwNdg?si=9ucILBLBym7DGoUG

[limber ridge]

Seems like our crowman buddy is really defensive of the crowman shelter.

[willow depot]

1 - Game where you play as Peterson and your goals is to escape town before storm arrives. Gameplay is physical puzzle (like Limbo or Inside) - is it HN game? (edited)Friday, June 7, 2024 4:02 PM

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Rumble On The Mill??

Nikita has said that you'd be stopping the furnace to remove the hurricane to explore and eventually escape the town + MITH skipping town art

[limber ridge]

Ooh

[dusty trench]

Yea I remember that

It makes sense

[willow depot]

2 - You play as a detective. You got to sneak in to the house of a secretive local weird person, to find clues and if he is guilty. Setting is just some rural town. There is no Peterson or any known characters. Gameplay is immersive sim, where you try to trick AI, to sneak around. - is it HN game?

detective detective detective detective detective detective

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

well probably not

[dusty trench]

It would even make sense do HG too liken after we go to Mayak a storm happens and we escape.

[limber ridge]

Smith backstory...

[willow depot]

sounds like something that'd be in late HN2 alphas

as a section

overall it's pretty much just HN1 with extra steps

...Or less steps?

[dusty trench]

So what Nikita was saying was using jokes as a message for ideas in the HN franchise.

[limber ridge]

Kinda depends on what story that guy has

[willow depot]

Maybe

LOL WAIT

[dusty trench]

Likely, they’ve done it before

Not just jokes either

[willow depot]

the detective one got the uhh the 🚫 reactions en masse

while the other two got upvotes

and they DID end up being HG alphas

We coulda had HG alpha 3...

fr fr trust 💯

[dusty trench]

Lol

[limber ridge]

Did we even get alpha 2? Or are you talking about ROTM?

[willow depot]

ROTM

[limber ridge]

Ahh

[willow depot]

arguably it is alpha 2

as far as documentation goes

[dusty trench]

Maybe it didn’t have to be a detective game, but it ca show a detective character of investor type (like MITH) there role. Maybe they did have a place to play as him. Multiple characters.

[willow depot]

yah

[dusty trench]

What ROTM?

[willow depot]

Nikita did go out of his way to say that MITH WASN'T necessarily a "detective" but his role can be chalked up to that anyway

[willow depot]

ya

[dusty trench]

Yea

[willow depot]

I'm pretty sure it was listed as alpha 2 somewhere might be on the footage might be elsewhere

[limber ridge]

Yes

[willow depot]

been a while

[limber ridge]

Rumble on the mill

[limber ridge]

Rumble on the mill is sort of like a mix between HG and YP(yellow press)

[willow depot]

man I really like Nikita's prototypes I wish they were fleshed out

[limber ridge]

Giant monster looked peaky

Or right about time

[willow depot]

for real bruh

[limber ridge]

Or auditorium

Introversion was pretty cool too.

[willow depot]

I really wish we'd get these

they're quite fun

[limber ridge]

Real

Even just as prototypes

I mean I can get why they don't get released

[willow depot]

tbh YP kinda has little to do with it since if I remember correctly ROTM was prototype-ish too

hence reused assets and us not really seeing anything out of the said exploration bit mostly just the main house

I really wish LNS fangame devs would get back to HG after vintage I CRAVE ROTM

[limber ridge]

I'm pretty sure they're like steps on a ladder to get to empathy if that makes any sense

Like Nikita said somewhere he was planning to make a bunch of prototypes and with the knowledge and experience from them make empathy

[willow depot]

what was empathy again I don't know much

[limber ridge]

Like Nikita's dream game

It was originally supposed to be in HN universe but then he decided not to

It's a very ambitious project

But HN3 will apparently like be inspired by it but on a much smaller scale

It would have like really complex NPCs and stuff

Also you like rebuild a town and recruit NPCs for it

[keen basin]

gang just a little question, uh whats canon? I just wanna actually learn the lore through the mediums, but I got no clue what's canon now

[limber ridge]

Everything is canon.

Just not in a way you think.

That's what Nikita said and Alex too.
Except for stuff like alphas, betas, the AS pilot and other stuff that aren't full releases

[dusty trench]

It’s not, HG alpha 2. It’s the transition period between HG leading into HN2 before deciding to use HG idea as a teaser for HN2 (the name of HN2). It was a mash up of multiple ideas into one as a testing phase. It was brainstorming. Not even a kid of just HG and YP. It was multiple in one being tested.

[keen basin]

sounds like a fancy way of saying everything is soft canon

[willow depot]

pretty much

[willow depot]

oh

[dusty trench]

But AS alphas and betas and pre alphas/prototypes can be used as ideas, because they use ideas from them to fit narrative.

[limber ridge]

Pretty much. But we know mayak was supposed to explain it at one point(possibly now still though) and that it's not a multiverse.

[dusty trench]

For now. Who knows what they’ll do in the future.

[keen basin]

I think I do have all the books for some reason, I guess I should read those

I think they just spawned on my bookshelf

[dusty trench]

And metaphors and symbols are there as differences and weird stuff too. Related to characters perspectives in ways.

It’s like multiple stories you use to create one story. It’s all canon, but it’s not really in same continuity. Like folklore kinda.

[limber ridge]

There are theories as to how though:
Perspectives: every character either noticed more or less details, misunderstood somethings, or is remembering memories from far away.
Time loops: from Reset day we know there are time loops, so the theory goes that it's different time loops.
There's a mix of the two above.
Or campfire theory which is kind of perspective theory with extra steps, basically it's people outside of the town giving their own takes on real events in the town and it's supported by one of HN3's endings.

[dusty trench]

Campfire is part of it cause HN3, and other stuff can tell too. But there’s character perspective in a way, and Mayak is the core of the whole story and its flow.

It’s a crazy story for sure.

[limber ridge]

Well campfire can be part of it in like HN3 stuff I suppose.

[dusty trench]

We have theory’s as to how tho.

[keen basin]

I can definitely see the folklore type thing going on... which I find very strange for Hello Neighbor of all things. this is a weird franchise

[dusty trench]

Well it kinda fits when you really get into it.

[keen basin]

thats kinda the weird part

[limber ridge]

I can't really think how it can be in other media without overwriting perspective because for all these other medias we have the perspective of a person that was in Raven Brooks

[dusty trench]

You can view the stores in the symbolic metaphorically way that uses mythical stuff as metaphors. But then there’s more of you tryna look into the other stuff in franchise like the sci fi elements as an example, or grounded view. And then you combine everything together to have one story line, using evidence from each continuity.

Weirdness is a somewhat core of HN but yea.

[limber ridge]

I'm a sucker for the perspective stuff ngl.

[dusty trench]

Raven Man tale. And even like in GN2 kids are portraying Petersons views in their mind. Even Nicky in HN1. And AS too.

[keen basin]

I understood the story with the whole family tragedy stuff leading to the first game, and how the first game is wacky because of the trauma and stuff which was cool, and then it ends with Nicky moving on and Peterson being gone, and it was wrapped up in my mind. Now there are time loops.... think that sums my thoughts up

[limber ridge]

The way I go about it to tell apart symbolism from reality is that mostly when an event is like grounded it's probably all real or like not metaphorical.

[limber ridge]

Yeah no I'm not the biggest fan of time loops either.

But rn I'm in an okay spot about them.

[dusty trench]

They planned a bigger picture in the first game. They just expanded it into other ideas like loops and cultist, which thy had loops and cultist planned kinda early on. Sci fi stuff was planned too, a bit. But it expanded into Mayak.

But I can understand that.

That was just the focus premise for HN1 and H&S, but there’s way more to explore.

Like how game was supposed to be a more open world sandbox.

[limber ridge]

Ik to some people it's like a "it was all a dream" narrative which is okay you can have your own opinion but I don't mind it because firstly perspective stuff gives it an unique layer and secondly because it was a thing since like... Alpha 2 which makes me expect it still being a thing.

[keen basin]

yeah HN1 and H&S were basically my complete understanding of everything and what I cared about. Maybe if a naturally kept up with the Franchise more as it expanded into the Cult and sci-fi stuff it would feel more on brand. But I kinda forgot about it then HN2 started. yet I still have the books for some reason

I have no memory of purchasing them

I have had them for so long

I think Bendy took my focus

same time period

[dusty trench]

The story kinda needed more elaboration. Like cult was planned in H&S mainly but HN1 had stuff too with the ravens. The tie was called Raven Brooks in an old mod kit description promotion (also promotion for game).

[limber ridge]

And also the perspective stuff being a thing since the early day (alpha 2-full game, it's especially clear in HaS and even SN) really makes me feel like it was the plan during HG times as opposed to loops and that mayak had some sort of symbolical role that would represent the differences in perspective. Even the eyeball can hint at that. (Not necessarily non existent, it can be both a real building and a symbolical meaning)

[keen basin]

I remember the cult like stuff in the alphas that freaked me out when I was younger

[dusty trench]

So they already had stuff like that planned, like in HN1 the satellite. And error world as a kinda message from the devs to show things did way as a message to hint at Mayak.

[dusty trench]

Well most of that stuff is canon, like Judas painting. As an example of them using ideas from older builds and stuff to fit into narrative.

[stoic juniper]

Alive chat

[dusty trench]

Yup

Wassup

[limber ridge]

The neighbour was the devil in alpha 1 and pre-alpha.

[keen basin]

I remember the shock of finding out that the basement in that one version of the game with the candles and it ended when you reached the door had more to it behind the door

[stoic juniper]

Sup

[limber ridge]

Yeah funnily enough when Nikita did reveal the alpha 2-beta 3 story he didn't even mention the devil.

[dusty trench]

Alpha 2

A build getting closer to the style game was meant to be in.

And a transition moving on from the stock assets a sounds.

[limber ridge]

Of course he can't be the devil at all in alpha 2 because he is our father and also I doubt the devil could have experienced generational trauma lol.

[dusty trench]

Yea truly no way

[limber ridge]

But the theories he made some deal maybe could have been true?

Not sure.

[dusty trench]

That element kinda stays. But, it’s dif now (obv).

But it’s not literally that.

It’s his view on his brother, his family, and what he fell victim to. And the choices he made along the way.

[limber ridge]

Okay so uhh before I finish Reset day now I'll just say one thing about it here Jordy (Enzo's son) did say Piper, Delia and their mom that someone might want them in Raven Brooks which is... Interesting.

[dusty trench]

Cultist likely.

And Guest

[limber ridge]

Maybe he thinks Enzo signed them in, but I can't really see that being true given how they like left due to their father's death

[dusty trench]

Wanting more people who could have info on town, or related to people who have had info like Marcia.

[dusty trench]

Yea

But at the same time can be possible.

[ripe berry]

what'd I miss?

[limber ridge]

Not too much.

[dusty trench]

Talking old alphas ideas and moving into this pretty much.

[dusty trench]

But I did send messages I feel are really interesting above from yesterday.

[limber ridge]

Wait unless... Their father wanted them to go there, father which was related to Marcia, who seems to have some connection to the puzzle masters by this novel, which Enzo also seems to have...

[dusty trench]

Ooh wait

That makes sense

[limber ridge]

He died not long after Enzo vanished too iirc.

[dusty trench]

There dad wanted them to go there and stop this, but at the same time he wouldn’t know what would happen since he’s dead.

[limber ridge]

Don't remember the cause too much though.

[dusty trench]

So the other puzzle masters have to help.

[limber ridge]

Enzo might have signed the Mr Tillman in actually.

[dusty trench]

Maybe he was going to die and had to act fast.

[limber ridge]

Pity they didn't ask Jordy about it, he was nice to them too. Gave them a pick up away from the famed Raven Man.

[ripe berry]

plus it was said that the books at the Library had pages marked like some kinda code iirc, clearly indicating Marica had someone in mind to come to RB after she died
wait... the books at the Library had the marked pages
oh gosh-dang it another tie to Late Fees Lore

[limber ridge]

Raven Brooks is kind of inescapable so I doubt the cult would be able to affect their father's death.

But something must be going down here.

[dusty trench]

No I know, but like he was going to die and had to act fast.

Sickness maybe

[limber ridge]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

Cult is part of it tho, not his death directly.

But like, stuff at town likely

[limber ridge]

Maybe some cursed object

[ripe berry]

same day I think

[limber ridge]

Hehe

Interesting

[ripe berry]

(I don't remember if RD ever said the exacts BUT if you have the time you could check the audiobook https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyRPv6lgbeF2iw2j8sDB4wiO-plPuFTFP ) (I don't have the time rn)

[limber ridge]

Yippee I was just gonna get on it

[stoic juniper]

Nubs

[willow depot]

why did Guest take Enzo anyway bruh did he lose an in-universe SN match to him

[dusty trench]

lol

[stoic juniper]

Who can beat HN1 first

[ripe berry]

yeah that's still a mystery
who did Enzo sign in

[dusty trench]

Likely he has something he wanted. And also the fact cult would want Enzo like him remembering more stuff in HE, and Guest is taking him if this goals. Hence he’s a puzzle master, likely trying to get all puzzle masters and proper connected.

[limber ridge]

Oh wait another thing, in the prologue a giant hole in the ground opens up, as well as some smoke comes out of it and is described as pulling the coworker that wasn't swallowed in it. The smoke is described fairly similar as the one that comes out of Guest's mouth. It comes out of a massive pit in the ground... Like the well... Possible guest connection here!

[ripe berry]

both the hole and the Well seem to be tied to the Mayak aswell

[dusty trench]

That is a good connection. And that disconnected define you to the outside and the well. Maybe realer to Guest itself.

[limber ridge]

Do you know where else we saw giant pits in the ground besides AS and Reset day?

Hello engineer!

The pits there seem to be very much connected to... The purple lightning.

[dusty trench]

#lore-discussion message here’s a metaphorical view of that. And it can still hint at Guest, and be this.

[limber ridge]

Like the well.

[dusty trench]

Yes, it’s that.

The hurricanes can create pits, because of the well.

[ripe berry]

and in both Hello Engineer and RD said pits are formed at the GAAP

and the Well is under the Mayak, and down a few corridors which as shown in the AS is visible from the GAAP

[limber ridge]

Yeah Jordy said he took him because he had something he wanted. I'm not exactly sure how Jordy knows this or if he is just speculating.

[dusty trench]

Well I mean, likely he would know of puzzle masters in a way and he would know about Guest and that Enzo has something he wants.

Yes and Marcia (re ppl using to deleted message from Mike).

[ripe berry]

was in the middle of typing smth and hit send by mistake

[dusty trench]

Oh lol

But it can tie in

[ripe berry]

and Ms. Tillman (Piper's Mom, not Marcia) seems to for some reason not react when the timeloops are brought up meaning she likely learned about it somehow, and then she too goes missing the next day, kidnapped by the Guest
So the Guest seems to target people who know more then it wants them to (aka the "Puzzle Masters")

[limber ridge]

Also Jordy said it was the Guest that took him and not Theodore, as his sister Jess thinks.

Also he specifically said that he and "aunt Mari" know the truth (in reference to who kidnapped Enzo).

[limber ridge]

I'm thinking either Tillmans family or Archivist.

[ripe berry]

yeah, I mean...

[ripe berry]

Marcia thought putting a hidden message in Library Books would be safe

[limber ridge]

True though.

Piper's mom also apparently learned something shocking at the library, she said.

[ripe berry]

.

she learned of the loops

[ripe berry]

she got in contact with either the Archivist or the Historian

[limber ridge]

And became gone shortly after...

[ripe berry]

and Tillman's family is unlikely unless it was specifically Mr. Tillman
because Enzo was already missing by the time they eveb learn of Raven Brooks

[limber ridge]

I would say the guest does stuff to anyone that knows of the loops but then you'd think he'd also harm Maritza, Jess and Vinod.

[limber ridge]

Yeah Mr Tillman makes more sense.

[ripe berry]

notice however that they don't talk about it in public

meanwhile Ms. Tillman (Piper's Mom) likely talked about it at the Town Meeting

[ripe berry]

and after that immediately decides to leave Raven Brooks

[stoic juniper]

Miss Tillman

Exists

[woeful moat]

most characters just kind of exist

[limber ridge]

Not anymore

[stoic juniper]

Good

[limber ridge]

[stoic juniper]

It's true

She made Nicky fear super markets

And I hate fear super market

[limber ridge]

Nah

[stoic juniper]

Minigame

[limber ridge]

The one that did that was his grandmother, Bubbe Fein.

Ms Tillman has like 0 connections to Nicky we know of.

[stoic juniper]

She still gave Nicky trouble over fart sound effects

😭

[limber ridge]

Different Ms Tillman.

[stoic juniper]

How many Ms Tillman exist

[limber ridge]

2 from my knowledge. Unless you'd count Delia and Piper (which are kids).

[stoic juniper]

So technically 4

[limber ridge]

Yeah.

[stoic juniper]

[limber ridge]

One is Marcia Tillman, which is the store owner and one is the mother of Piper and Delia and is low-key goated.

Rip Ms Tillman.

I hope Jordy at least survived.

Jordy was awesome.

If reset day ever gets a triliogy I want it to end with Jordy running over the guest (/j)

[limber ridge]

Well technically we don't know if she died.

But she most likely did.

[stoic juniper]

Makes sense

[limber ridge]

We might need some name to call her instead of Ms Tillman.

[stoic juniper]

Mantill

[dusty trench]

It’s mainly since Enzo remembers more because of HE. That’s why puzzle masters are going to ask him to join. They know he is more capable because he remembered more on HE, so they would want to ask to join and he can also guide others to freedom.

[stoic juniper]

More lore 🥹

[dusty trench]

Okay I kinda want that now

[limber ridge]

Actually maybe. Given how people are noticing the guest looking harmed maybe he had some accident

[dusty trench]

Not just form the constant instances in forest. Maybe he got HE’d lol.

[limber ridge]

(though Imo that's a little anti-climactic)

[dusty trench]

He popped up in road and began attacking the ca out of rage but they succeed, and run him over to escape. But obviously for kill him.

[limber ridge]

An accident that would leave the guest hurt in a way imo should be smth like going down at mayak, in the big storm maybe, or even in the GAAP. Who knows, maybe Ted set a trap and it left him damaged.

[dusty trench]

Yes me too

And it gets worse as he’s running in the forest.

Out of rage and anger. To the point where he’s starting to feel pain. Hence the wailing noises. And he kinda regrets being Raven Man but can only act out of rage and anger.

[stoic juniper]

:boohoo:

[dusty trench]

Smith is Aaron

[limber ridge]

Top 5 out of context moments:

[dusty trench]

😂

[willow depot]

Mid theory, Smith is at least semi successful while Aaron has a stink that makes everything around him fumble hard!!!

But getting his butt beat by Ted-Guest puts him close on the boyfailure list

(He was holding out good though?)

[dusty trench]

No MITHY Smithy is Aroon

[cedar remnant]

What if nicky learned how to lock pick

[dusty trench]

What if Niky turned giant and beat up shadow man who is The Goose.

[limber ridge]

Which name is better though:
Mith or Smith?

[limber ridge]

Okay but you cannot defy our evidence:
The picture which has everyone look at Aaron has a hat behind!

[willow depot]

Smith is more name-ish

[willow depot]

Somewhat

Oh hey I can read your name again

[limber ridge]

Ahh man I forgot that's why I changed it

[limber ridge]

I like it because it like is the name for some mysterious incognito guy

[willow depot]

I kinda like Mith too because it sounds like myth like bro's a local rumor

But more name per name is more name

[limber ridge]

Yeah both are great

If I was to pick one though... Smith.

[willow depot]

Yuh

[charred pumice]

SHADOW MAN'S THE GOOSE?!?

[ripe berry]

#prototype-3-chat message
#prototype-3-chat message

[willow depot]

Oh sweet

[limber ridge]

Ted was like running away from him at some point.

(Until Smith got his clothing stuck on the car door and just left but still)

[willow depot]

Lmao

It's still such a funny interaction to look back on after Guest was recontextualised to be an actual diety

Giant evil crow kidnapping people wrestling it out with coat man

[limber ridge]

Actually

[willow depot]

You could even argue it's canon through HG ending being a reel in the SN event but that's a big loophole

[limber ridge]

Now I'm for some reason thinking of a MJ body shape Mith fighting The guest for some reason

[willow depot]

Mikehuff approved

Probably because MJ has chubbier limbs

Bit of muscle, I could see him actually being a challenge

Mith has slimmer limbs so he's just teching it all the way and it's somehow working 😭

I still love how his plan a was to pepper spray him

[limber ridge]

But MJ would just invite Ted out for fishing because he's cool like that.

[willow depot]

Fr

[limber ridge]

Lol.

[willow depot]

MJ seems like a chill dude ngl

[limber ridge]

Smith: When In doubt, use pepper spray on a masked guy.

[willow depot]

Ironically it only works back on him

(And on Quentin because he's silly)

[willow depot]

Ngl I overall love how all the other HG Smith appearances portray him as G-Man but when you get to the ending cutscene (I prefer Beatrix's especially cause she throws hands with him) you're quickly reminded that he's also just some guy

[limber ridge]

Yeah, that's why I love that fight, whether Beatrix or Quentin.

[willow depot]

Who has to rely on pepper spray and barely thugs it out against beak man

[limber ridge]

It shows both Ted and Mith are just normal people

I mean Ted isn't even that ridiculous throught it

(from normal cutscenes I mean, other than his running animation when running from Mith)

[limber ridge]

Is the event still there?

[willow depot]

I dunno I don't own SN but I'd lean into no

[limber ridge]

Okay.

[willow depot]

It also requires hell lot of teamwork

[limber ridge]

Okay

I mean if it's just the ending it doesn't contradict too much, I think

Guest can still be current Guest, Mith doesn't need to have bought the park (though if he would what would that make him? Earth pro CEO?)

[willow depot]

Nah

Earth Pro was scrubbing out any possible remains of the park until there was nothing left

If MITH has that kind of resources he'd hire ten guards to guard the stands against vandals and have a search team find Mayak within like

A day

He's middle class enough to pay two guards (It was revealed somewhere that Quentin and Beatrix are both working at the park (and something about them meeting at one point? I don't remember I think it was in the interview or something)) but not rich enough to get someone else to do his quest

He has to come down and apprehend Que/Bea with his own hands once he thinks they've gone rogue

[limber ridge]

Oh, Nikita did say smth about them both working at the park and building a bond by writing notes to each other

[willow depot]

I think narratively it'd be better if he stayed "kinda rich" ngl

[limber ridge]

Nah I wouldn't like him being some CEO either.

Just throwing ideas around

[willow depot]

Because currently you're either hard-working citizen getting bad luck or rich crow cultist screwing everything up

Smith would be breaking those rules because he's in the middle

And that makes him more interesting I think

[limber ridge]

#old-rbo-discussion message
Yup, found it

So no physical meeting

[limber ridge]

Wait we know why he captures them?

[willow depot]

Oof, fair though

[willow depot]

Well um not directly but it's a bit obvious

HG ending has you power up the cafe elevator doors and jump out of the second floor window past the walls

No idea what could be over there but I doubt it's the top of the hill that's referred to on the board

Maybe another point of interest but the way I see it you're either dipping from your shift or you're going somewhere where MITH doesn't want you to go

I'll try look around when I get power again

[limber ridge]

I see

[willow depot]

Man cafe is really weird why not just make a ground cafe

Why would you go outta your way to make it elevated then have to make an elevator

[stoic juniper]

[limber ridge]

Hi owlol

[stoic juniper]

Hello frigid

[lament smelt]

not really realted but im kinda in love with the neighbor hes really cute

realweay

anyone else with me?

[limber ridge]

Oh it actually was night time. So it makes sense, that's when Piper's mom was captured.

[limber ridge]

Fr

I mean I'm not in love but he does look really nice

[stoic juniper]

😭

He looks nice but he definitely is NOT cute especially in HN 3

[limber ridge]

Well not cute

Just good-looking

Except for HN3

[stoic juniper]

How did that just spawn 😭

[stoic juniper]

Yes

[limber ridge]

Hello neighbor 4 lore:

[wanton roost]

He looks good imo for hn3

[stoic juniper]

No

No

No

No

[dusty trench]

Wait but maybe cult is able to leave

Not saying that they killed him directly, but they can still be able to leave town maybe. Secret tunnels and such.

[limber ridge]

Maybe

[limber ridge]

Oh I like his design. But it's not the same kind of good-looking know what I'm saying?

[wanton roost]

Bleh

It's still good

especially the hands

[limber ridge]

It is good

In fact maybe one of the best

[limber ridge]

I mean even Piper, Delia and Mom were almost able to leave.

Though, it was through a crack in the giant wall, which was formed by an earthquake earlier on in the novel

[dusty trench]

Weren’t they able to see the time period outside of town in RD (iirc)?

[limber ridge]

Who?

Piper and cast?

I don't think so.

Marcia was able to figure it out though, that's for sure.

Just now I realised the green glow on Piper's mom hand.

On the cover

[willow depot]

I still find this so weird man

Why are people taking pictures of him like that why did Guest send one followed by essentially saying "Ooo he's gonna getcha!!"

To Piper

[willow depot]

Given that we know about Nikita dropping game suggestions and making them into prototypes can we even confidently say that for example ROTM was the "last try" at HG

Like arguably I'd say it's essentially just both prototype games

One however happens to be more developed than the other (ROTM has a lot of concept art on the other hand)

[limber ridge]

Crazy people.

[willow depot]

As per usual

[limber ridge]

I think maybe it's some sort of way for them to just frame him? Although...

Piper already does kinda know the guest did that probably

But maybe they just want more people to harass Ted.

Although... Why???

What is the point of this? Why do they even need to torment Ted anymore?

What do they gain out of making his life so much more miserable than the one of everyone else?

[willow depot]

I didn't read the books but from what I figured they can't pick the subject of bad luck

Which is why they write cryptic warnings on properties

And Theodore's house in Reset Day so happens to have them

[limber ridge]

Pretty sure the devices just kinda bring bad luck to people normally.

[willow depot]

Well they wouldn't be warning people in that case would they

[limber ridge]

I guess this can still be a way of like prioritising it for someone.

Or even direct the bad luck towards a specific thing, like you said with the GAAP sabotage

[willow depot]

Ngl I like that about books forest protectors, they're definitely still evil but this makes them a little bit more nuanced

[willow depot]

Yeah

[willow depot]

An old man keeping to himself barely going out of his house (how does he pay the bills anyway? Does he?) outside of the guy's house being a tourist attraction for curiosity they're keeping it on the down low this way

What I'm curious about is why would Aaron not be enough bad luck

[limber ridge]

Does Aaron even bring bad luck

[willow depot]

At least in mid 90s he does

[limber ridge]

Isn't it like... Just Ted's schizophrenia or Aaron's guilt?

[willow depot]

Pretty sure it's not far-fetched to be all stacked

[limber ridge]

I mean how would that even work. The bad luck comes from luck devices/GAAP coins as it seems.

[willow depot]

I don't even know man Aaron must've ate one

[limber ridge]

I guess if it would be true maybe it's something about how he fumbled with the device stuff. So instead of bringing the Petersons a good name and luck he just doomed them.

[willow depot]

Bad luck is in fact everywhere Aaron goes

Uuhh even when he's just playing with Mya

Boom dead.

I could see the cult cursing him, ironic in a way

Theodore wouldn't get rid of him would he

The questions are how and if Aaron is even alive and if so where is he

[limber ridge]

Basically Aaron make fake device that still contains a piece of a real one, tries to use it as a decoy that a cult member would take and use at a ritual, at the same time as when Ted makes a proper luck device using pieces from Ike's wallet, Aaron thinks Ted's device is a decoy too, and he uses that instead. The ritual gets interrupted either way as the device ends up in the tunnels, close to the same time of GAAP burn down, iirc.

[willow depot]

Uh-oh

[limber ridge]

Pretty sure Aaron did kinda blame himself for the bad luck too

Law of manifestation is real in Hello neighbor guys!!!

[limber ridge]

I know people did theorise a while ago that Aaron like burned the house down if that means anything to your question.

I mean it might have been the intention at one point but as of now seems like it's the storm that did that.

[willow depot]

We could've had peak

But then they made Reset Day

[limber ridge]

Yeah that sucks

[willow depot]

Ngl what's even good about it

• Confirms the forest protectors exist in 2020
• Confirms Guest exists in 2020 (a bit less surprising)
• Somehow Theodore's house is still standing (what's Nicky's reaction to that??)
• Enzo has been missing for 4 months likely dead (I liked him he was a dork)
• With all that being said the main timeframe of the timeline can't have coherent progression without going against all these factors which were set in stone (unless timeloops are real but I doubt that saves it much)

[limber ridge]

Uhhhhhhhh

Hmm...

Okay no I can't really think of much.

[willow depot]

I get it was meant to be the first out of three books

[limber ridge]

I mean I liked Jordy, so that counts I guess?

[willow depot]

And they were scrapped

But like somehow that makes it even worse lol

And that's assuming books is the final loop if loops exist

Meaning that it's the one where theoretically the most impact can happen but none does

[limber ridge]

HN3 is the final loop I think

Maybe

[willow depot]

Part of it

Honestly I think loops can exist but I'm skeptical of them being different pieces of media

Like what's been suggested

Because there's still that one part about Theodore begging his family not to go to GAAP and later being implied to be relieved during Lucy's death that it "was not her. Not her."

Implications being that he probably has foreseen Mya dying at the GAAP or experienced it in another loop but this time Lucy took her place

[dense vine]

This is interesting!

[willow depot]

And as we know Lucy is the one to die consistently

[limber ridge]

True.

But tbf going by the main theory we've seen only 2-3 time loops.

Lore I suppose

GA book is there no more.

😐

[keen basin]

gotta say I do not like how this franchise's lore is made

[limber ridge]

About the ways Nikita worked on the show...

[willow depot]

Amazing

[keen basin]

so like.... how are these things reliably connected at all?

[chrome maple]

theyre not

probably

[keen basin]

isnt that so cool and awesome for a franshise

[chrome maple]

no...

i really dont care that much about the lore anyomore

[keen basin]

I was being sarcastic

it sucks

[chrome maple]

yeah

i got it

[keen basin]

80 year old john neighbor will go back in time and order a pizza that kills his wife

and then will turn into a crow monster

calling it now

[stoic juniper]

[chrome maple]

could be canon lol

[dusty trench]

Marcia (maybe the others).

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah she was able to tell somehow.

[dusty trench]

Likely able to leave the town and figure out. As Raven Brooks is more affected than the world.

[limber ridge]

She used hello copter DLC

[dusty trench]

Okay that would actually be fire

[limber ridge]

/j

[dusty trench]

It would be a cool idea tho tbh

[limber ridge]

My other guess would be she has someone in the normal world feeding her info, but then I remembered of how Raven Brooks social media is seperate from the rest of the world.

They use some knock-off apps instead.

Seeker instead of twitter, Tik caw instead of Tik tok, etc.

[dusty trench]

Can show more of Mayak’s tech influencing. And also maybe someone hacked into the systems.

[limber ridge]

Yeah. That someone can be either cult or guest

Peterson is out there somewhere too.

Maybe in his house.

[dusty trench]

Mostly cult like made that’s and such. Guest is Also manipulating it for his own.

[limber ridge]

Yeah.

[dusty trench]

What does this mean again?

[limber ridge]

Imagine walking through air, with a medallion clinking in your ear as you hear the voice of someone familiar.

[limber ridge]

Oh, this is from Nikita when asked if he worked on WTRB

[dusty trench]

Oh I meant to reply on book part mb

[limber ridge]

Oh, it means the GA book at the start (100 things to do before dying I think) isn't part of The Stranger's backstory anymore.

Apparently there already is a backstory planned

[dusty trench]

Oh so it’s not part of his backstory, but the book can still be canon ina way. Just not a direct connection to the strangers backstory, and why they go there, since it’s already planned.

[limber ridge]

Yeah true.

[dreamy sluice]

grandeturisto: ahah yeah it's your story gotem it's the story of playing hello neighbor

[limber ridge]

Dark do you think this means anything for the story or nah

Wait sorry

[dusty trench]

For what?

[limber ridge]

Was talking about this actually

Nikita doesn't know the identity of the guest in HN2 apparently

[dusty trench]

I was replying to that, and the other thing you sent too is also important to what I was saying too.

[steady nest]

for lore enthusiasts

[dusty trench]

And this I feel is super important. Because this shows that Nikita’s idea (or ideas) for who Guest is was just an idea, and since he let either they used his ideas or idea likely, or they came up with a new idea since Nikita left at that time, or they used a new idea of something that can still fit Nikita’s vision. But in a way where they have a nice big vision on The Guest to fit his character. So either they used one of Nikita’s ideas which is likely, or they came up with something new and in a way that can still fit the vision of Nikita. Also the message of him not “working” on AS directly, he still mentioned that he gave ideas, and feedback behind the scenes. But he wouldn’t know if his ideas were in consideration because there hasn’t been anyone to reach out yet. And maybe what I think they will do is fit everyone’s vision, mainly Nikita’s but in a way that fits different sides of the franchise. The mythic metaphorical, the grounded, and the over all story each view of HN represents. And I feel like this ca show something on lore, maybe the concept of Guest. As Alex has even said, Guest isn’t supernatural at all, and that they have to ground everything. And we know from that, they are using Nikita’s ideas but in a way to fit all views of the franchise story. And consider what AS is trying to do. As he says, perspective is related to each character and story of the HN universe. And Mayak is showing the story flow. And the have done it in all ways. Loops, grounded, representation. And they are putting it all in one.

#lore-discussion message , #lore-discussion message , #lore-discussion message .

These tie in from previous discussions.

And HN3 will take stuff from AS in that view.

[steady nest]

holy mother of god thats a lot of text

build your own lore

👍

[limber ridge]

Feel like what they might do now is a "build a lore" narrative, basically you have all of these stories and ways it can go, and you pick and choose what you like most to make your own story.

[dusty trench]

While at the same time, there are core themes, messages, and topics to lead to a core story in a way. But some parts are left for us.

[limber ridge]

The way Nikita adds short answer is yes implies he can give us the long answer too (yes please)

/half j

Ohh but now I'm confused. Since Nikita doesn't know the full story of HN2, as it seems, what even are the chances he gets to speak of stuff like HN2, AS, HNVR in reference to the canon stuff?

I mean I guess since the person that seems to be in charge of those stories also says fairly similar stuff, it probably is true.

[limber ridge]

Also short answer implies it's even just slightly more complicated than a simple yes.

What are the odds it'll be an "It's about the journey" thing?

[dusty trench]

That’s the short answer. And there are easy explanation. But of we want to dive deeper and get complicated, we can. Diving deep into super small details, or tying things like even old ideas together. That’s why there’s different story’s and views in universe. And it also means that, they are trying to find a way to explain stuff. And they are going step by step into the future to tie all the stuff nicely. And many stuff has been in our face for so long, but we have to look even deeper, or wait for the simple answers and views we get later on in AS and HN3. But just cause those will have simple explanations for stuff, they will legs stuff for the future to explain. And some for us to explain. As people try to figure out the story in their own ways. That’s why we can choose to dive super duper deep if we want, and maybe discover new stuff and new views.

[limber ridge]

Core stuff I'd say is like the family's fate and presence of a cult.

[dusty trench]

Peterson’s family yes. But we can’t forget, way more stories to explore.

But that is a core.

[limber ridge]

The guest too is like core in a way

But also kind of not

Because his identity even possibly being different In between HN2 and HN3 is interesting

[dusty trench]

The Guest character and portrayal specifically in a way pretty much kind of is, the connection with Mayak and showing the influence. Mainly his character representation in each view, and his influence being tied to Mayak and his metaphorical presence and character portrayal that can tie to each story. Which the identity can tie to the concept of Guest in some way, but The Raven Person/Guest character is important as a core in many ways.

[limber ridge]

Okay bye

[dusty trench]

Oh alr peace ✌️

[ripe berry]

Yooooo now no one needs to reference a message from a server that doesn't even exist anymore!

(...what did I miss...)

[dusty trench]

Taking about how the story how flows, and the concept of Guest, Mayak kinda. and the different views of the story. As well as core things in the different stories in universes Nikita and Alex as an example on what they say about the lore.

[silver cargo]

To be fair, Hello Neighbor 2 is so irrelevant to the overall plot that the Guest could be anyone in that story.
It litteraly does not matter who the Guest is in HN2.

[dusty trench]

They kinda hint at it with the tapes but yea. Even HE hints at him too and ties more to Mayak. It makes sense for HE since the game directly ties into HN2.

[ripe berry]

I'm guessing Nikita is just working without whatever can be observed in-game and the RBBArchives

(same as us)

[ripe berry]

yeah (in terms of the Guest thing), literally the only thing HN2 actually says on the Guest is that it's not Theodore

[shell gull]

So Mayak is definitely a huge impact on the Lore it’s just confusing right now theorizing what is such a huge thing about Mayak exactly.

[dusty trench]

We can use the tapes like the sound of the raven noise slowly turning into Guest noises, and tie that to stuff like the chalk drawings and experiment stuff in HE.

Guest has a connection to Ravens and crows in some way. Whether he is part raven, or something else. What ever it is, he is connected to them in some way. And it might not be, direct. Or in some views of story, it doesn’t have to be direct.

Maybe the tape was from later on. Of Guest liking cult members at Mayak during ritual. Like it’s the S3 teaser. Or it’s from the past and he was well, angered.

[dusty trench]

Well I mean, yea it is. Cult trying to get to it, Guest is, Mr. Peterson uses it. The storms tie to it, loops, which loops can also affect characters minds. Like distorting their perspective, but at the same time it isn’t the direct reason of other differences. But it’s showing the influence of the story and stuff going on impacting the kinds of characters. And even literally as characters get brainwashed because of Mayak cause loop.

[limber ridge]

And even then HN3 is very much hinting at that.

[vagrant igloo]

this pains me
because if his identity is revealed in the show
then that's just
his identity
forever
cuz he said there is only one guest

[dusty trench]

They are using his ideas like the grounded part of story for AS, so it might be one of Nikita’s ideas for the identity specifically. But even non of the identity, they are finishing Nikita’s idea stay he didn’t really have refined. Since he dropped from that period, they tried to stick with what Nikita left for them, and do the ideas in a different way. And one ca be identity. And if it is a dif identity, they are still using may may stuff from Nikita’s ideas including with Guest, and it’s still gonna keep more of a core Nikita wants for the story based on what Alex said of AS, and what Nikita wants for his story mostly. And trying to fit everything together. But what is does show is that there isn’t much communication when it comes to some stuff behind the scenes, so maybe AS is gonna set more of Guest concept and expand on that with identity from what we got in HN2 and HE (we can also add S&R but not for identity specifically atleast rn, and SN has many detail in game and hints to stuff, they can connect stuff to Guest identity.). And Nikita saying that can show lore of Guest concept Alex spoke about, and it can be truly interesting.

[safe charm]

Honestly I doubt much of hn2 is being taken into consideration

For hn3

[dusty trench]

Wel really they are, but not as much. Because there’s many things in HN2 that tie into the ideas presented in HN3. Like the town culture, tunnels and catacombs, mines, and Guest character. And well, many more stuff. Since HN2 ties directly to HE which has much stuff too, GN2, and even to Reset Day too which also ties to HN3. So it’s not that it isn’t being considered completely per se, but it’s more that HN3 is a more fresh outlook of the franchise than others like HN2. So many new ideas will be coming, doesn’t mean they won’t have older ideas either as we see being considered.

[safe charm]

True but the guest identity and character is not the same

For example as what they were likely planning for Hn2 fg

[dusty trench]

I know they aren’t, but you said that the ideas aren’t being considered at all.

As Guest identity could be did in HN2 than HN3. Or the same bit different versions of the same character in portrayal. Hence these #lore-discussion message can tie into

[limber ridge]

This isn't very new info though. If anything the forward you replied to would mean the opposite because Nikita doesn't know the identity of the guest he hasn't worked on so his guest can be different from the AS guest.

[dusty trench]

And HN3

[limber ridge]

As of now I feel that at his core the guest is a symbol and who embodies this symbol(the identity) can differ.

[limber ridge]

HN3 is his guest

[dusty trench]

I know, it can dif from HN2 identity and AS. I was adding on.

Or it can be same identity but completely different character in that view.

But these can this in #lore-discussion message

[limber ridge]

As in different portrayal of said character? Or as in the guest does have an actual identity but it's different because of perspectives?

[dusty trench]

Dif portrayal of character

[limber ridge]

Ahh I see.

[dusty trench]

That can tie into Guest concept too.

What Alex was talking about

[limber ridge]

The Guest the guest ᵗʰᵉ ᵍᵘᵉˢᵗ

Nikita hasn't worked on HN2, AS nor HNVR

So he probably doesn't know the story for those games.

[dusty trench]

Theodore said, our masked Guest. And even Nicky’s crash out Trinity says, when you were Mr. Peterson’s Guest, and he repeats it. They are testing concept slowly, but shades it fully mean.

[limber ridge]

So the way he can say they are still relevant probably means this connection that makes everything canon, that comes from the mayak, must be something fundamentally connected to mayak in one way or another.

[willow depot]

To be fair HNVR didn't really have much story for the Guest he worked more like a plot device to get all the folks outta the basement

[limber ridge]

True

[willow depot]

A sick one at that

[limber ridge]

HN2 didn't really either

[dusty trench]

For his own plans

[limber ridge]

In HN2 he just saves Quentin and has the mayak medallion.

[willow depot]

What I'm curious about is that so far Alex's Guest (calling it that because Nikita had nothing to do with HN2/VR Guest portrayal) is sorta like

Chill

[limber ridge]

But we don't have too much to go off for his identity

[limber ridge]

VR sort of is.

But not sure about HN2

I mean he does save Quentin

[willow depot]

From letting the kids outta the basement to letting go free his sacrifice

You could argue he's not really malicious in the dlc either

[limber ridge]

But then he is running around like a wild animal in the forest so...

[limber ridge]

He appears in DLC?!

[willow depot]

The uhh

Well not dlc

The patch 9

[limber ridge]

Oh

[willow depot]

Thing

[limber ridge]

Okay

[willow depot]

With the saws and church whatever

Technically it's still downloadable content

[weak cobalt]

(The forest)

[limber ridge]

Even in what should be the same portrayal of the guest there are different portrayals

[willow depot]

What I'm saying is that he's playing a far more complicated game than he's given credit for

At least by the FPs I doubt they know about his intelligence like that

[limber ridge]

There's a calm guest that looks more benevolent and moves fairly slowly. Then a guest that's feeling aggressive and runs around and all that stuff.

It's probably on purpose too

Which is like really cool.

[limber ridge]

Bipolar guest I suppose.

[willow depot]

You thought Ghostface esque Forest Protectors was it

Nope

The Guest has its own separate dress-up cult too

[limber ridge]

What in the world do they worship?

The writers?

Harold?

[willow depot]

Just crows

And Harold's garlic

[dusty trench]

#lore-discussion message , #lore-discussion message , #lore-discussion message , #lore-discussion message , #lore-discussion message , #lore-discussion message , #lore-discussion message

[willow depot]

Like not as some gods

They're just like old ladies with fifty cats except it's all crows/ravens

[limber ridge]

The whole Guest equals human plus crow thing could add onto the guest having different behaviours. One is the animal instinct the other is human cunning or smth

Though I prefer the guest just doing stuff like that on his own will.

[dusty trench]

I never said it wasn’t his own will.

[limber ridge]

I know

[dusty trench]

There is some animal connection we don’t know what yet. It could be direct, or something else.

[limber ridge]

It's not too related to the links

Just wanted to say that

[dusty trench]

K

Although

It can be

As I said there Guest manipulation tactics.

Relating to Guest character and how he goes about in the story.

I really don’t know why I can’t send any photos or screencaps. I was analyzing HN2 and have many cool stuff in my inventory I want to share.

[limber ridge]

Also if the human crow guest thing is true I think it's more likely for Alex guest then Nikita guest.

Dark's analysis

More

More

#hn3-discussion message
Just now I realised this means that Aaron guest is on the table for HN3 and there's almost nothing debunking it.

I mean it doesn't have like any evidence so far from what I've seen so still unlikely

But still possible.

👀

[limber ridge]

Also probably means the statue deal was with the guest.

[ripe berry]

!

[silver cargo]

Would I be wrong to believe that Franklin is the Guest?

When Nikita said that the Guest is connected to the Mayak, it kinda connected in my head.

But perhaps there is also so much evidence against it that Franklin could never be the guest.

[chrome maple]

the story is so messy

[limber ridge]

I couldn't say until it's revealed.

But Franklin is more of an Alex character and Alex did say the Guest's backstory isn't a flashback so...

I doubt he'll be the guest, not in Nikita nor in Alex's take on the story.

[limber ridge]

Wait did he?

I think he said that about the canon, that it's connected to mayak.

[wanton roost]

Not really no

[wanton roost]

I mean this

[tacit barn]

I’m still confused why there was a huge beam of light when Franklin fell

In mayak

[limber ridge]

I like to think it was like, the mayak being turned on in a way.

And Franklin vaporised in the process or smth.

[wanton roost]

Theory from maskedkid that mayak was trying to find a host and franklin fell to the pit and he's the new host

[limber ridge]

So is the guest like the host of the mayak or is the guest mayak?

[limber ridge]

Although, about the flashback thing, it can be like that was part of Frank's transformation and it will be continued in S3

[silver cargo]

Yeah, loon through Nikitas messages from yesterday.

So, the main reasons why I >would< like to believe that Franklin is because:

• Something happend to Franklin at the Mayak.

• Nikita said the Guest is connected to Mayak.

• AS season 3 takes place at the Mayak.

• The Guest will apear in season 3 and will not be seen in a flashback. So Franklin can still become the Guest or be possessed by him in S3.

Again, this is what I would like to believe. And if I am wrong, that's totally okay.

[tacit barn]

I’m still confused why mayak is so important in the hello neighbor story

[silver cargo]

It is some kind of supernatural weather station if I remember correctly.

[tacit barn]

It was abandoned right? There had to be a reason for it to be abandoned

[keen basin]

hold so what did Alex do and what did Nikita do?

read Alex's wiki

its very funny

[tacit barn]

Where

[keen basin]

https://hello-neighbor.fandom.com/wiki/Alexus_Kravchenko#articleComments

[limber ridge]

Nikita made Hello neighbor 1,

Is making hello neighbor 3

Made hello guest and HN2 alphas

[tacit barn]

Why does he have his own page lol

[limber ridge]

Worked on the story until he left during HN2 production.

[limber ridge]

He has his own page, not wiki

[tacit barn]

Oh mb

I meant page

[limber ridge]

It's the HN wiki ackshually 🤓

[keen basin]

I just guessed people related to the game have pages

[limber ridge]

Nikita said that about the relevancy of the stuff he hasn't worked on, not the guest.

[silver cargo]

Oh, well thanks for the clarification.
Probably misremembered something.

[limber ridge]

Yeah it happens.

[limber ridge]

Wouldn't that make the Guest supernatural?

[wanton roost]

I think he's the host of mayak

[wanton roost]

I think so yes but that theory was a bit long ago so

[limber ridge]

I guess then It could add up

[limber ridge]

I mean if the guest is the one that is possessed then It kind of wouldn't

[wanton roost]

yea

[limber ridge]

Although, there's this message:
#old-rbo-discussion message

Then again, Nikita could very easily have been joking.

The emoji reads like "Nothing in Raven Brooks is supernatural, just don't tell anyone about all the supernatural things in Raven Brooks"

Maybe we should have asked if this was a joke or nah yesterday

I know when the guest isn't supernatural statement first happened I considered a bunch of ways it can go:
The Guest himself isn't supernatural but something does give him powers.
The Guest is sci-fi
Or my favourite one:
Symbolism!

[limber ridge]

More from Dark

The Stranger is a visitor in Raven Brooks. A Guest, if you will.

[keen basin]

got a question if anyone wants to answer it... what is the mayak?

I know sci fi weather station

but someone said it needs a host?

[limber ridge]

That was a theory. We don't know if it needs a host.

[limber ridge]

Made by Roger and Adele (the neighbour's parents) to study the strange weather patterns of Raven Brooks.

Also somehow explains how everything is canon.

[limber ridge]

He said the thing!!!

[willow depot]

HE SAID THE THING!!

[wicked heath]

HE SAID THE THING!!!!

[limber ridge]

This and then...

This

[limber elm]

What is the deal with the guest? I keep hearing conflicting stuff about him and his identity and I can't get a straight forward awnser, there is a thread in this channel but it didn't really explain much and all it says is the neighbor and the guest are the same and nothing else

[ripe berry]

that is no longer true
at one point in development the Guest was Neighbor yes

but atm the Guest's identity is unknown

when WtRB Season 3 finally comes out we'll learn what the Guest is

[limber ridge]

And that's probably not the same as HN3 too.

[dusty trench]

We have part of it in other games.

Like Guest character and such.

Hinting at Guest concept.

[ripe berry]

(Guest can't be the Neighbor as they are shown to be separate in HN2)

[limber elm]

I heard something about time loops from someone that would explain 2 neighbors but I'm not sure if that is an actual thing or just one guy's idea

[limber ridge]

Time loops are an actual thing.
2 neighbors is someone's idea.

[ripe berry]

an idea that's mentioned in the guidebook iirc lol

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah it is.

My second fav thing about the guidebook

My first is the image I used for my pfp.

[limber ridge]

Though, I just think of fake neighbor instead of neighbor from different loop despite the fact people would probably be able to tell the differences

[ripe berry]

quick time to find the runes on her arm

[neat phoenix]

aint no way

[limber ridge]

Gebo
Eihwaz
Wunjo
Gift
Yew
Joy
I think

[reef mango]

DAMN

[reef mango]

ALREADY????

THAT FAST???

[eager island]

yes we have eyes

[limber ridge]

I mean I barely did anything

Mike put the translation of the runes there too

[eager island]

Its reversed wunjo i'd say

[ripe berry]

everything seems to be reversed

[eager island]

so are we going to take it as reverseds or normals

[ripe berry]

idk

there also seem to be more symbols then just the three Frigid identified

there also seems to be a flipped Laguz ("Water"), but I'm not sure

(one of the historian's arms seems to have the texture upside down)

[sharp sundial]

Okay let's start here

[ripe berry]

seems to be basically the same as the runes on the front but 🤷 you never know

[ripe berry]

ello

[sharp sundial]

Yeah

About that

For me the neighborhood in HN 2 Alpha 1 and 1.5 looks like a mix of the Golden Apple Amusement park and the neighborhood

[ripe berry]

yeah
Guest World

(or uh, the original version of it)

[limber ridge]

Aka: The outskirts

[sharp sundial]

And in HN 2 Alpha 2 it was like a mix of Hello Neighbor 2 Beta( similar gameplay) and Hello Neighbor 2 Alpha 1.5(art style)

[stoic juniper]

Nubbas

[ripe berry]

what can I say? jumping at any hint of new lore to add to theorizing

afk

[limber ridge]

Anything lore on anyone's mind

Just gonna forward more of Dark's HN2 analysis

[limber ridge]

What are you replying to dude.

[stoic juniper]

Idk I was supposed to not reply and just say hello

[limber ridge]

neighbor

[stoic juniper]

Hello neighbor

[limber ridge]

Hello guest

[stoic juniper]

I forgot that existed

Hello enginner

[limber ridge]

Hello neighbor Hello neighbor

Hello neighbor Hello neighbor Hello neighbor

[little lodge]

Yo is there any more of these?

[limber ridge]

ˢᵉᶜʳᵉᵗ ⁿᵉⁱᵍʰᵇᵒʳ

[limber ridge]

A bunch of them

This was one of my favs btw. About the wildlife.

[stoic juniper]

Life

Is

Wild

[limber ridge]

These animals might represent the 3 parties in Raven Brooks currently:
Fish, elegant and such is the cult.
Boar that can be just normal people wanting chill.
Bear that is driven by rage (Ted and Guest)

[limber ridge]

Life is strange

[stoic juniper]

It's terrifying

Yet so cool

[stoic juniper]

Parties ?

We getting political in hello neighbor

[limber ridge]

So to speak

Not really

Another one

[limber ridge]

Gonna stop forwarding for a little while.

Who here is looking for lore tonight

[wanton roost]

what kind of LOREEE related stuff did we have today..

[keen basin]

is it just me or is HN2 the clearest depiction of Raven Brooks

with all the like perspective stuff going on I feel like HN2 is the most realistic and fits the reality the best

[limber ridge]

Probably. And I'd say it's related to the protagonist being an adult for that game

[unkempt sleet]

I like these HN2 theories

[limber ridge]

Yeah there's a bunch more

[ripe berry]

thank Dark here for them
(Dark is unable to share embeds so frigid is forwarding them so they can still be shared)

[limber ridge]

Seems like Nikita really enjoys us going crazy huh...

This does remind me of something though, at one point I think Nikita was asked about the guest or smth and said "trust me, you haven't seen anything"

[wanton roost]

Now what do us lore theorists going to do..

[ripe berry]

#prototype-3-chat message

[wanton roost]

I agree

[limber ridge]

Thanks

[wanton roost]

The eye symbol again

[limber ridge]

Yeah this is like the most clear way to go about it

It's nothing too new tbf, the distinction between symbol of the guest and physical guest has been a thing for like a year atp

[wanton roost]

Maybe there's more into it keep your headsup

[limber ridge]

Okay before I go to sleep I'll forward 2 messages from Dark

[ripe berry]

damn, wish I could see them all

anyways

[dusty trench]

This adds onto this, #lore-discussion message

[ripe berry]

and the room has (I think those are roots but I'm not sure?), because the Tavishes are quite literally the root of the cult in Raven Brooks

[ripe berry]

and said books happen to include some of the same ones from Late Fees

also, it's a minor detail but may I point out how all of the manhole covers in HN2 (Base Game) are Golden Apple Themed except for the ones on the street the Mayor's House and the Raven Brooks Banner are on
you can make of that what you want.

not sure about the DLCs though bc I haven't checked yet

ok DLCs just straight up don't have them lol

[shell gull]

What does this mean? Could he be referring to it as a title with the quotations? Possibly there’s been multiple guests? This is interesting.

[ripe berry]

didn't Alex say there's only one Guest?

#hello-neighbor message

I take it to mean (to quote myself)
the Guest -> Town Symbol turned Urban Legend
the “Guest” 👁️ -> the person wearing the costume

[shell gull]

Yeah I think that’s more reasonable.

Though I wonder what it really means.

[ripe berry]

(or Urban Legend turned Town Symbol)

[shell gull]

Either way the guest continues to be a character of no origin as of now.

[dusty trench]

I spoke about those actually, I cant forward them for sum reason.

[dusty trench]

Guest character is well like, evil. But he does go off rage a lot, but also huge manipulation tactics that’s evil in his character. But something did happen for Guest to want to destroy town, we just don’t know what fully. Also seems there is multiple parts to Guest we haven’t fully seen in action yet. That can tie to the concept.

[limber ridge]

I can't even forward all of them because some have too many screenshots

[limber ridge]

Alex's and Nikita's Guests could be different.

[limber ridge]

You can't because I think they have embeds

More treats from Dark

Some context for that last on

The manhole covers

I'll stop for a little while so it's not considered spam or smth.

Though I don't think there's a lot more I can forward

[stoic juniper]

I hate waking up at 6 am

[limber ridge]

I hope these paragraphs from Dark can make your day better!

[dusty trench]

I can only forward messages that don’t have vid’s or pics.

[stoic juniper]

🇼

[stoic juniper]

Ok

Was typing a lil too much for you now

[dusty trench]

Hm?

[stoic juniper]

Why do you now forward stuff

Instead of typing

[dusty trench]

I’ve forwarded stuff before

Plenty. And sent links to messages.

But I just can’t send any messages with any vids or photos, or forward ones with photos.

[dusty trench]

You could save the photos and send rest that way. And or wait a while, reply to forwarded message and send photos that way. So you don’t get spam blamed.

[limber ridge]

We've seen rabbits other than this painting. In the Alpha 1 house, as Dark says, in the HN3 logo, and The Guest calls Piper "Rabbit" in Reset Day.

[stoic juniper]

Ok

[stoic juniper]

Rabbit

Or bunny

[willow depot]

Who even owns the golden apple corp

[wanton roost]

me

[limber ridge]

Tavishes

Or they used to.

[limber ridge]

Same thing owlol

[stoic juniper]

Owl laughing

[limber ridge]

Owl out loud

[stoic juniper]

More funny owl

[limber ridge]

Are you an owl or are you an owlolosaurus?

[stoic juniper]

Owlolosaurus

[dusty trench]

Well we can’t forget, all of these story elements, ideas, and core stuff has all come from Nikita’s ideas and such. But it gets expanded on in different ways and views in the stories, all in the same universe and are all still very relevant to each other, especially in the core parts and reoccurring type of stuff. That’s why the breadcrumbs are left a ton for future ideas and elements in the different sides of the over arching narrative that flows in the story. Almost like how our world flows, but others trying to take control and attention, or even unintentionally do stuff, can have a huge impact whether good or bad on our world, and us. Maybe even change how we view life a certain stuff in the world. And HN has stuff like Mayak, puzzle masters, the cult, Mr. Peterson, and Guest, and many more stuff and characters. Which, can show different aspects in our world and how big things can impact our minds and perspective in many ways. Others view things in different ways within their perspective. And people can have different sides of their perspective too. And that’s what we see in HN, and what we are seeing with the writers in a way. That they are having their own perspective and view on the core of the narrative flow and other core stuff, and they take it into their view. And we know that they are working together in lore because, Nikita was behind the scenes for show and has provided feedback. He aims for the more grounded view of the story, which is the overall message to be unfolded. And the grounded ties to the meta of the franchise too. A lot of the Easter eggs, error world, the guidebook,other references can show stuff like Mayak’s design and building it’s based on, and the satellite in HN1. Even all the other real world science facts being used for the story, and for the sci fi stuff to expand on further. Their messages are their way of showing story elements of the story like the perspective and other stuff to impact narrative like Mayak and other characters.

[vagrant igloo]

this means the neighbor is actually a rabbit

[limber ridge]

Not all the story elements are from Nikita.

[stoic juniper]

[limber ridge]

Which also means Piper is the neighbour.

[limber ridge]

Probably.

[vagrant igloo]

piper = neighbor = rabbit
omg
the guest is actually a good guy
trying to help the neighbor, who has dementia, remember he isn't piper but is actually the neighbor

[dusty trench]

More on this they even show similarities in thought process between perspective’s even if they are different. Such as HN3 map being similar to HN2 in a way. And other ideas being used such as tunnels, towns culture, and more stuff. Even Guest while possibly being dif in HN3, doesn’t mean that the human raven thing isn’t relevant at all. Because it still is. Just HN3 is having a different take on that stuff than HN2, but they are still important. Kinda like how characters in perspective share similar things, like HE map and HN2 map similarities. Even intentional or not, shows the similarities in that thought process. Which is showing perspective in a different way.

[dusty trench]

Nikita has left the foundation for many stuff. Like time representation being expanded later onto the loops, and tying back to Mayak Eve with the error world too, H&S clock representation, and HG as an expample.

[limber ridge]

The foundation, yes.

But stuff like time loops probably isn't Nikita's ideas.

But it might build on, as you said, the error world(which is a Nikita thing) possibly showing sci-fi, or the clock stuff in HaS

[dusty trench]

He left the foundation for it. And had time stuff in mind as well as sci fi stuff. So later on it got tied together. Leading to Mayak.

[dusty trench]

Also key word I said, CORE stuff and details within ideas.

[limber ridge]

Maybe he did make some idea for fun or as something in someone's imagination, but he probably wasn't gonna put it in if that was the case.

[dusty trench]

Yea so sci fi.

Also don’t forget Time Machine experiment plan by Nikita for HN2.

[limber ridge]

I think that plan actually proves Nikita wasn't gonna actually use time loop stuff too much if anything.

Because the guy fails to make one.

Tries and fails.

[dusty trench]

Either way it shows the connections.

[limber ridge]

Although I do wonder what was he gonna do with it(the time machine guy)

Like did he just want to be cool?

[limber ridge]

Okay that's kind of a ridiculous question now that I think about it.

A time machine is a time machine.

[dusty trench]

This whole discussion and the messages below talking on this stuff ties into this discussion directly. #lore-discussion message . This message #lore-discussion message . And this message #lore-discussion message

[limber ridge]

I think of this
#lore-discussion message

[dusty trench]

And Nikita left the foundation and loops were create to have a bigger view on HN.

Showing more of a different side to impact tat still connects to the symbolic metaphors.

Guest is a good example of this.

[limber ridge]

Like that's how I think mayak would explain it. I mean it's not a full idea but it's what I think the direction might have been at the time and possibly even now.

[limber ridge]

Are you talking about The Guest or The "Guest"?

||/j||

[limber ridge]

Wait maybe loops too can work into that...In a different form.

[dusty trench]

Loops and the tech stuff show a broader view on the story. Same with the mythical type stuff and symbols used. And the grounded is the overall view of the message’s in the over all narrative.

[dusty trench]

I’ve said that before

Even now

[dusty trench]

I’m talking about, Guest overall in general.

[limber ridge]

We have 3 Guest persons now.

The guest, the "guest" and guest.
/j

[limber ridge]

Like maybe mayak is tied to an event this interesting or even traumatic that people keep rethinking of past events and they look at them differently each time or smth along those lines.

[dusty trench]

Of Guest is because like I said, we can still use the raven and human Guest thing even if that’s not represented in too much form in HN3. But what it shows as an example of the raven and human thing still being relevant even if not represented much in the literal form in HN3 Guest like other media such as HN2, it ca still connect. The out of control wild, and rapid animalistic side of Guest took over creating something, dark. Evil, raging, painful, and destructive.

[limber ridge]

Ooh

Yeah this makes plenty of sense.
I like this.

[limber ridge]

Given how AS like takes imagination and metaphors a step further(for example, the act 3 house is there and characters freely interact with it, the thing is visible to Nicky and even seems to harm him) if the guest turns out to be a raven-human hybrid there it can make even more sense with the HN2 guest and HN3 guest possibly being different.

[dusty trench]

It could’ve been peaceful, but too much pain was caused. Because taking advantage with life like that, there’s consequences. Representation of the symbol being destructed, which is like what the experiments at Mayak and with that tech is capable of. And that pain, only created evil later on. Pain being brought to others caused by Raven man. That later in its even more destructed and in pain as if it just wants to be set to freedom now after feeling to have had control, hence the wailing noises he makes in HN3 and the actions he does.

[limber ridge]

And if the purple beam does form the guest it can also connect, because remember what you theorised it can mean?

[dusty trench]

What the Well can mean?

[limber ridge]

That and the colour purple symbolizing freeing yourself from traumatic memories and moving on to the future

[dusty trench]

Oooh yea

[limber ridge]

I mean it can connect some way maybe but I'm not sure how.

[dusty trench]

The Well has big symbolic meaning and many functions to it. As the hurricanes we see in HE the aftermath of a hurricane with the pits that have Mayak tech stuff connected to them. And The Well actually represented in HN2 and HE. The GA statue fountain including the area and puzzle in HN2 represents Well. The middle trophy on Mayors house. HE pits have a connection too. And in HE space Mayak levels to Observatory, we see parts of the well there, and the inventors club go past it. Which if you remember in AS, there was a pair of stairs to a bright area on the other side of the well. In HE kids go past there, but will they in AS? And since the went passed different depictions of the well in HE and all the way past, that means we seen what was past there partially. Which ties to everything I’ve said before and even in previous discussions on many stuff that included HE, HN2, and S3 and the finale for S3. And how we seen S3 in HN2 and HE. As if you remember what takes about the the HN2 and HE similarities, the storm stuff, Mayak, and Guest (and identity a little and his symbol), town history. It’s a different view on what we are going to see in S3, mainly in HN2 and HE, also S&R ties into this too. Including SN has hints too. So we gotta start looking even more. And with the many depictions of well at areas in HE Mayak (not just pits), it seems there is multiple well areas connected to each Mayak base. So there is multiple well places all leading to, THE Well.

Which btw

Did you forward the trophy message?

Those tie in to this.

[limber ridge]

The one about the boats and seas and stuff?

And the trophy and the wheel too.

Because I tried to forward that one but it had too many embeds.

[dusty trench]

You could separate photos in dif messages and just forward the text.

Like copy text and separate messages to fit in here.

[limber ridge]

I'll send the photo of the trophy and then you can copy paste the text here maybe.

[dusty trench]

Alr

And could you do boats and see too

I’ll take those text

My text “There’s even many stuff with the sea, boats, and islands. Maybe back then when town was being created or during super early days, travelers and people who mine went to an island to try and find the crystals I spoke about and tied them to luck devices. The crystals to believed to be luck. And later on used Mayak tech to experiment with them and created the luck devices, connected them to coins, rings and other tech with Mayak stuff. And the explored the island super way back then, and Mr. Peterson found out and decided to experiment on thy island. But he took proof of the island and such for himself. And the cult later on, is trying to track down the island but since it was long ago before any of them at that time were alive, and Mr. Peterson has more info on stuff and island. They of course will steal his info for their plans, as we’ve seen before. And they are trying to get to island so they can steal more tech, and have a bigger separate experiment grounds and learn more stuff. And even mine some stuff from caws and such. And even if the town folks didn’t mine on the island back then, cult ca still be trying to track down that island for research and experiments. But I believe it is very likely that town folks back then traveled to the island for recourses for the town. As this game hints at tie origin and explains some of it with the environment Tao story telling, and ancient stuff. And also there is a chalk drawing of a plain. Representing how Mr. Peterson “crashed” on the island. And maybe was drawn by Aaron and Mya like in the books Aaron drew island. Also in game at Mayors house we collect trophy’s, which I believe are symbolic. As they have certain design choices I feel represent something bigger. The trophy on the far left is like a thing you open to get a big prize. Something of fortune. The one on the far right is a star, almost like a star in space. And the trophy on the close right next to the star is like a rocket ship, going to the stars.”

[limber ridge]

Trophy's and a boat

Dark's screenshots too btw.

Also the airplane he mentioned

[dusty trench]

“(Continuation). Likely to manipulate and control space and time, as the one on the left next to the fortune one is like a shooting star going past a ring. Like going beyond time and space, uncovering unthinkable powerful things, and using it to advantage of your own fortune by taking others. And the one in the middle is like a well. Something you dump all your things in to get fortune for yourself. Sacrificing what’s important to yourself, and your soul just for fortune. And when you place all trophy’s, the glass opens to a steerboard with a compass. And on the glass design has an anchor bolt, and mini steerboards. Showing more of the see connection. When you line the compass colors with the steering wheel, you unlock Mayors cultist room. It represents traveling and as you travel slowly discovering more. Like a traveller and miner discovering more stuff and going deep into the dark depth’s is the underground, discovering the secrets of earth.”

[limber ridge]

Okay I'll look through them messages and see what is there left I can forward

I don't think I've forwarded this one yet.

[dusty trench]

This one used the globe image from another cause it tied to both observations and analyses.

[split parrot]

Hola

[dusty trench]

Hello 👋

[limber ridge]

Hello.

What is like a really niche part of the lore that doesn't get talked about.

[dusty trench]

What’s up with Lisa after finding out Theo lied about Aaron and Mya.

[willow depot]

This is a bit more meta if anything but somebody always mirrors Nikita's hair choice (and they're wearing blue)

This is Nikita during Kickstarter times

This is him working on HN2

this one is a bit more on the nose I think

[limber ridge]

She's angry.

[stoic juniper]

Angy