lore-discussion

[limber ridge]

That could be the rebirth thing

And if iirc, the mayak in Aaron triliogy was marketed a little bit differently than in reset day.

In reset day it was "Mayak station of weather and metereology"

Can't remember in Aaron triliogy

[ripe berry]

All that's missing is a way to overlap Beatrix and Franklin

imagine Beatrix fell into the Catacombs when she went missing

(or went missing in the Catacombs/Tunnels to begin with)

[ripe berry]

in Aaron Trilogy is was just the Weather Station

I also don't think they ever used "Mayak" in the books and it was instead Raven Brooks where you say Mayak was in the Reset Day name

[limber ridge]

I can't properly remember if it did have mayak, but it was weather and metereology

[dusty trench]

Mayak concept art page on Art station by Nikita is Mayak - 1, description is meteostation in Raven Brooks. But there is something I believe is in books and in Aaron trilogy and it’s called Raven Brooks station of weather and meteorology (iirc).

[ripe berry]

Raven Brooks Station of Weather and Meteorology comes from Reset Day
Aaron Trilogy only ever calls it the Weather Station

[ripe berry]

iirc

[dusty trench]

Alr thanks for confirmation. I knew it was in books didn’t know which.

[dusty trench]

Yea I do believe it is just weather station in Aaron trilogy

Or maybe in newspaper it was called the other one.

Idk

Not fully, the electrical machine did but the building was still there pretty much.

And yea, Reset Day has to take place aftwrwards.

[dusty trench]

That could be part of it like as it is connected to Mayak, but what if theres more that can tie to that. Even the loops.

[limber ridge]

Nor sure about loops since they aren't there anymore

[limber ridge]

Oh

[limber ridge]

I'm kind of confused on Otto's role with the cult.
Like, he says stuff that a cultist would not, and he doesn't wear the outfit while being with them, so you'd think he is being used, like Maritza.

While in episode 10, he appears to be pleased while stuffing the animals with coins, and he knows where it's gonna go to.

[willow depot]

Otto is doing it for the love of the game

Jokes aside good question

I mean I really doubt he follows the other lads around with his own artifact

Especially given that he doesn't wear the fit

And he's probably too old lol

I guess they bribed him in some way??

Old man doesn't have a good moral compass as we know

[limber ridge]

Oh

That makes sense

[willow depot]

I kinda think he sold MJ out??

[limber ridge]

Yeah no same

Seems like what they're hinting at

[willow depot]

The photo in his house seems to point either to that or to that they were at least buddies

[limber ridge]

Otto looks quite a bit older than MJ

[willow depot]

It's his father, solved

[limber ridge]

No way

More Quentin Beatrix family tree

I wonder If MJ had like a different style of journalism than Quentin. Maybe he tried to like get close and get info that way instead of breaking in and stuff

But that goes to headcanon teritory i fear

[willow depot]

I'd argue so

[limber ridge]

And also he'd have more pictures of people he investigated than Otto, you'd think

[willow depot]

His missing seems like a big deal sorta

[limber ridge]

True

[willow depot]

I dunno why but I always interpreted him as being friendly with people

Probably subconscious, look at this dude

[limber ridge]

He looks like the friendly type

[willow depot]

I should just let it go I should just let it goiuahfhvvuqhhzhdhjfhayYx

[limber ridge]

Do we know If Smith was supposed to have any identity back in Hello guest times?

Like rn i don't even think Smith is MJ but

[dreamy sluice]

nose surgery

[limber ridge]

Do we know if back then he was a familiar character?

[dreamy sluice]

and ear surgery

[willow depot]

In the 90s

Hi arch

[dreamy sluice]

Hi pear

[limber ridge]

A whole face surgery

And head

[dreamy sluice]

he hated having a chin....

[willow depot]

He hated having none

So he installed face pudge

Oh wait

Frick the other way around I'm dumb

[willow depot]

Nope

[dreamy sluice]

counterpoint

[willow depot]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING OTTO LOOKS MORE LIKE HIM

[willow depot]

Nope

[limber ridge]

You answered already

[willow depot]

As in we don't know

[limber ridge]

Oh nvm

[willow depot]

Short term memory loss

[limber ridge]

Wait MJ is Peterson

[willow depot]

When you read Reset Day you'll see me there as an NPC

[willow depot]

I did think that's who it was when I saw the Otto picture the first time

[dreamy sluice]

gotta ask, who is MJ

[willow depot]

Missing Journalist

[limber ridge]

Guy next to Otto

[willow depot]

He seems kinda like the guy to actually be named MJ though

[limber ridge]

Mary Jane

[willow depot]

Mary Jane.

[limber ridge]

Michael Jackson

[willow depot]

Cia took him actually

[willow depot]

Doubt he would be, Nikita did say he wasn't a detective

He did have enough cash stocked to buy out the whole park and hire two guards to guard it??

[dreamy sluice]

mj stands for money juy

[willow depot]

Sure

[willow depot]

Nobody is really rich in this town without being affiliated with crow cosplayers

And then he doesn't know where Mayak is

Which makes him his own guy

[limber ridge]

I recently found a drawing of Teddy by Elena and it looks just like MJ.

[willow depot]

Show

[limber ridge]

No embeds. I DM

[willow depot]

Cinema

[dreamy sluice]

heh... play the rest of the clip...

[willow depot]

No

[limber ridge]

Or at least much more than Smith does

[willow depot]

You could make the argument that MITH using Quentin's head was meh

Except that wasn't the concern with Beatrix

Or the GN test drawing

Besides, Quentin head for Theodore head would be a mid trade

So I'm gonna die on this hill

[wanton roost]

Hello my lore friends

[limber ridge]

Hello

[wanton roost]

Any lore discussion rn?

[limber ridge]

Not really

[wanton roost]

Aw shockers

[dusty trench]

No that HN3 has symbolic hints that can connect to loops, even tho loop isn’t really in the game. Like before when talking about loops and the balance aswell as many other stuff with scientific facts connecting to metaphors, you said so this is what it’s all about. I added onto that by talking about the greed and love thing, mixing it with this. So it ca be connected to loop, and also not at the same time. Like things connected to the story as a whole. I hope it makes sense.

[limber ridge]

Oh, it does

[dusty trench]

Actually well, the place did like, set on fire so I guess yea. It was from the machine tho. And rebirth can be tied to that too and the other stuff I pointed out.

[willow depot]

I love the way the storm was portrayed in the "MITH skips town" arts honestly

Hope HN3 will bring this sorts vibe

[limber ridge]

What If Mith was looking for the mayak to hide there

As Ted did in Alpha 1.5 HN2

Wait no way.
In HG Smith was the kid that survived and The other 2 kids died.

[willow depot]

That'd be sorta ironic

[willow depot]

Tying in with HGP having a guy that looks like him a little??

[limber ridge]

Yes

[willow depot]

And why he's avoiding a direct confrontation with the Guest

(although that opens up the question of the ACTUAL Guest's presence in that plot because the HG Guest is just Ted??)

[limber ridge]

Yeah, true

The guest seems to eat the kids in that version or smth

Wait... This storm is the one caused by the mill no?

[willow depot]

Shrugs?

I'm yet to dig up mill's relevance

[limber ridge]

If so, Ted is the one that uses the mill in ROTM.

He caused the storm back then too!

Solving HG over here

[willow depot]

So essentially yeah

[limber ridge]

I meant the guest(Ted) caused hurricane with Mill even during the HW incident from HG

[eager island]

rotm is not hg

so that means guest may not be ted

and rotm was just a prototype developed in one month

[willow depot]

Essentially a second try at it from what I recall

You always come at a right time

[eager island]

i don't even think its story has been given much thought

[willow depot]

I mean aside from Beatrix crashing into a pole apparently...

Goodness third time now with them pole accidents

[limber ridge]

Beatrix is Smith and PAM. It all makes sense

[willow depot]

Smith is her alter ego and it's all a Fight Club parody

[limber ridge]

Hey, at the end of the day...

Everything is canon

[wanton roost]

and we will smh figure that out soon

or never

[limber ridge]

We will figure it out

But without the part where we figure it out

[wanton roost]

https://klipy.com/gifs/tesla-and-einstein-luma-ai

genius

[limber ridge]

Do we know what was censored on AS character wheel?

[eager island]

aaron

and its
Aaron
Petersen’s Son.
Athlete,
Wannabe hero,
Muscle.
Inventor.
Stealthy. Font of
(mis)information
about the town
Unreliable friend.
Worried his secrets will
be exposed. Subtly
sabotages friends and

[limber ridge]

Thank you

[willow depot]

all this happened

[limber ridge]

Yeah Pear, keep up

Season 6.5 just came out, Aaron's arc is finally finished

[willow depot]

yay

[ripe berry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ripe berry]

how do we know this?

especially since I don't remember those lines being there on the wheel
how did you get a version of the image with those lines that imply the text?

[versed yacht]

people found the presentation and copy and pasted the text that was behind the blur

[ripe berry]

wait
it's confirmed and not speculative?

[ripe berry]

I'm guessing Font is a typo of Front?
Also why is Aaron on the character wheel if Alex himself said the lad won't even appear in the AS?

[versed yacht]

yes

also this is very likely an older plot

where aaron was part of the main cast

[ripe berry]

Possibly from when the AS was still following the books more closely?

because Alex was also talking about traitor stuff in 2022 despite the fact that plot only begins at the midway of Season 2 (aka only should've came up in 2024)

[ripe berry]

~~or imagine Aaron is canonically working in the background doing stuff during AS Season 2 and we just haven't realized it was his doing yet because he doesn't get shown onscreen ~~

[ripe berry]

or perhaps at one point Delroy was meant to be Aaron?
could explain why Ep. 6 seemed to hint towards Aaron without outright showing him only for it to lead nowhere in Season 2

[dusty trench]

Probably made out to be an unreliable friend or bad friend of sorts. Nicky being the only one to stick with him. Later on kids learn their mistakes, and redeem kinda like AS and S&R but instead Aaron is there.

[dusty trench]

Maybe cultist or Guest will mention him, and we get hints of Aaron and kids realize that the person helping was Aaron later on, or maybe they don’t say it but we would know, lines and stuff implying that they do know. Or the regain their memories in AS when loop slowly breaks and we get hints that confirms that, or maybe they flat out say it. I feel like it wi be big things thy confirm that, hit chargers aren’t going to sit there just to explain it too much and they will show it.

[dusty trench]

Which we know he has a role, maybe he won’t fully be on screen. Maybe a shadow of him like S1, and we get big details and events that confirm that the squad knows how Mya died, but thy never reveal how in AS, but maybe movie they will reveal. But in AS we would already know that they know because of how ever they explain it. Also we know thy they know cause of S&R, and that they know way more because of hints in games like SN, and even HE it confirms they know more too. Even Reset Day, Enzo and Maritza regaining their memories.

[dusty trench]

and S3 they will reveal his role through dialogue, or huge details that just confirm it in a way that’s like basic. Just they don’t tell us specifically how Mya dies to audience, but characters do know and we get stuff to confirm that they know. Or details in the movie that confirm that they know, and even revealing how May dies. Maybe 2nd movie be a prequel in the minds of Aaron, but it switched to Mya. Showing more of that different perspective thing in people’s minds. And even other stuff like Mayak influencing thy as we see more distorted stuff, that movie can even hint at loops. It would be confusing at first mainly to new audiences, but if you pay attention to details and try to solve metaphorical symbols and tie it to events and how things work including characters motives and who they are including their role, it will come together right and I believe AS is gonna pull that on us, but we will figure it out by the details and such that basically confirm it. Such as Nicky feeding Aaron, which has that detail in AS can be confirmed in movie, and even Aaron and revue squad setting the events for act 3 to happen hinted in AS confirmed in movie. Since they want to streamline everything, this would fit. And even add onto my older ideas if people remember about how movie and AS can work. The mind switching thing for the audience to see can correlate to SN too. Just things to streamline everything in order, and HN3 can do that too by saying events in AS and movies even other books and previous games confirming stuff, like newspapers, tapes, sound tapes and other Easter eggs maybe old character notes. And after movie they would finish books and they can do that in books too. This is just to have each media attention stuff in a way that everything makes sense, and be a perfect or just decently good story for audience’s to better understand. But the paying attention to key detail’s is sorry if HN’s identity, and showing them more and having some smaller hidden,

It can impact the viewers to kinda, view the story in certain ways. The metaphorical way, or combining everything together to create evidence and make a picture of the story. It would tie into the messages HN puts out there too, and add onto the overall vibe of game. Like having so story impact game in a way, ya know. Just having people understand HN more better in all aspects.

[split oriole]

isnt rotm, hg chapter 2?

[eager island]

no

[dusty trench]

ROTM is the transition from HG to HN2 in a way, but also tested some other stuff, and wasn’t really a big story thing but just mashed ideas together and brainstormed. Elements seen of a story were planned like storm and mill. Basically HG (LNS) was an original idea for the next big HN game, and Nikita came up with this and tested on it. But the ultimate decision was to scrap this, but decided to kinda more expand on it so it can fit the vision for HN and Nikita dream game (big sandbox, more intractable npc’s, etc). He wanted HG to be sandbox but the idea thar was presented didn’t fit too much, and it just had to to be called HN2. Not specifically the shift gaurd thing that was problem per se, but just the linear paths and stuff in game that felt like you had to go, rather than you choosing to go, like you chose that path or sum ya know. Linear paths exist before and aren’t too bad, but mostly as a mini guide or tutorial like HN1 act 1, and HN2 act 2 let you make more choices, act 3 is where game really starts and has most freedom including throughout game extra stuff you get to do like error world, and traveling whole map for lore and Easter eggs. Just not as Nikita intended, and was kinda expanded a little more in H&S, ya know. So they started using HG as a teaser for HN2 and released teasers for the original HN2 trailer map to promote the alpha 1 of HN2 even before the full HN2 announcement. (iirc) the HN2 alpha 1 house was going to play someone in the original HG concept.

[limber ridge]

Font of missinformation sounds cool though

[limber ridge]

Tbf some of the other stuff on the CW also looks quite funky with the actual show

[limber ridge]

Wait that would be super incredibly cool. I shall now rewatch season 2 to identify all the parts where Aaron may have helped the squad

[limber ridge]

They actually typed "Petersen's son"

Wait hold on.
Wonder why did Shmoeface run from the kids...
What If, he was following Aaron instead?

[limber ridge]

Yeah no this doesn't really work

[polar epoch]

Where did you get this

[eager island]

jon carnages devgamm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oln0cqm3dS8

[limber ridge]

I wonder, how would an equivalent of Aaron's triliogy(other than Lucy incident) happen in the games/AS loop, If one would.

[willow depot]

imagine if it got its own prequel season or something

"Oh hey, it's the low voice journalist dude!"

"...Norman who?"

It'd probably mostly stay the same I think?

Sort of

[limber ridge]

Trinity sort of played a part in the first cult exposing

[willow depot]

too bad replaced by Finch or something

[limber ridge]

Wait that would actually be kinda cool

If Finch like exposed cultists before

Gives them a way to introduce her in the squad

[limber ridge]

I wonder If the guest with the older design can be the symbol of the guest (it is kind of clean and more simple, maybe indicating at not being a full-on being), as it is the guest from SaR, the guest from GN2 and... The guest from HN2's start (think an exception is bound for the final one ngl)
The redesigned version is the being, the one from the patch 9 gameplay and from HN3. Maybe even reset day since it's quite a bit different from the cleaner one.

[willow depot]

sorta

I wouldn't really like that but that's because I just hate Finch

"teens with a vendetta" are super cliche and thus it's a bit silly to get mad at it but oh boy do I want her murdered

[limber ridge]

Do we really need a murder
I mean

It'd be nice to see her suffer for a change

[dusty trench]

Oh yea, she will. As we even see in that teaser, she is going to experience what the squad and Nicky has. Maybe after hearing about Nicky getting taken to mental hospital, she realizes how bad she truly treated him and tries to befriend Trinity by reaching out to her, and saying sorry even tho she feels like it’s too late since Nicky is gone. But maybe she follows Trinity (likely at GAAP) to like say sorry or talk about stuff and their experiences with Nicky and such, and she just ends up tagging along with them and she experience the most trauma of her life so far, experiencing what not just Nicky but, all of them went through in a way. And when she realizes she can be apart of setting the later events for Nicky to get over his trauma, she’s willing too do so (also have a theory that she maybe is suspicious of MITH in town and maybe has seen him, if people remember that theory if not I’ll explain). And Nicky windows about it too because of stuff I said before in previous discussions regarding this topic. I feel like AS will hint at or real that redeeming aspect the games S&R and SN show, but like in a different way. Idk AS atp anything could happen in S3 and I know I’m probably going to get really shocked to see what’s in store.

[limber ridge]

Yeah that would be cool. Kind of simple but works.

[dusty trench]

And would fit 5 episodes

[limber ridge]

Yup

What's the theory you mentioned about?

[dusty trench]

MITH?

[limber ridge]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

Alr I Got you

Lemme explain

Why I say that Finch could be sus of MITH in town is because, in the MITH event, the easiest explorer class to play as that event is Scout (Finch). Shoot all the paintings, and you have to shoot MITH. Easiest way to do that is with the slingshot. Also, in AS S2 EP2, Finch is walking around at nighttime when they are speaking to Nicky. What wud she be doing there? And MITH event is like, usually at nighttime since that’s most of SN in map 1, also that MITH sneaking at night fits him. And it would add onto more of the other kids hiding experiences they have with weird stuff in town. Also that in Raven Brooks, everyone has a secret. Maybe she is trying to hide that stuff about her, maybe she hangs out with Seth and Reuben and she feels like she has to fit in. Or she just sneaks around with her friends.

[limber ridge]

That's cool

[dusty trench]

Yup

I feel like that can be interesting

Also considering that she is a scout, and would be repaying around in forest a lot. Who knows, maybe she seems cultist just never knew, or brushed it off.

[limber ridge]

Tbf i don't think Smith will play that much of a part

Maybe at some point one of the kids sees him and goes "Hey who's that?"

[dusty trench]

Yea maybe hints in the background like S2.

[limber ridge]

And then they don't bring him up that much

[dusty trench]

Most likely.

[limber ridge]

But you could be onto something with why Finch is walking during nigh time

[dusty trench]

Maybe Finch could mention she has been trying to find out that guy. And then they kinda hint at the puzzle masters and the tie that to MITH, but we never actually see who it is.

[limber ridge]

Because Alex said the story is of Peterson, the cult and the rescue squad

[dusty trench]

True

And tying that to the bigger picture would make sense

Maybe small Hogarth confirm small stuff hit still leave details, likely explained in movie (or movies).

And games like HN3. Maybe future books.

Offline for now.

[limber ridge]

K

[willow depot]

man S&R credits are so nice

really wish this would be how it turned out

[limber ridge]

Well uhh maybe

Like a day later they celebrated.

[willow depot]

what if S&R is part of the books line loop and that's why everyone is happy and everything will be good and happy and-

[willow depot]

no way lol

[limber ridge]

Maybe, guest also does appear there despite not even being a thing yet in the show
(Though there are other ways to explain that away)

[limber ridge]

Is Trinity actually that much taller than Finch?

[ripe berry]

Something I should note about HN3 is that in HN3 Prototype 3 the Guest Festival actually stops the storm until Theodore breaks the statue
anyways time to read the rest of chat

[ripe berry]

possibly

[limber ridge]

I think it made good weather even back then

Maybe somehow like back in whenever the festival started they(Tavishes and Petersons) learned how to make the weather good but the cult part of the team scrapped that and decided to just get the luck instead

Although, i wonder why they'd want the statue to be worshipped.

[ripe berry]

also the actual outfit Festival!Guest has in-game seems to be the same as when the Historian set up the ritual back in the day (since there's multiple versions of what it wears iirc)

[ripe berry]

actually I'd say it's more like (connecting the dots of what we have)
Guest Festival Starts in Raven Brooks
Ancient Raven Society forms
Tunnels created
Unknown Gemstone found and broken in the Tunnels
Gemstone fragments turned into proto-Luck Devices
Ancient Raven Society notices the ritual actually affects the weather
Ancient Raven Society try to do their own version, making the Observatory to do so
Ancient Raven Society learns the rituals they do can affect luck at the cost of making the storms worse
(After this comes the Mayak Stuff we don't fully know as of right now)
Sometime later they get rid of the Guest Festival because they need the storms in order to actually perform the rituals and the Festival gets in the way of that

[ripe berry]

Possibly
especially since HNVR and AS contradict each other with who's even part of the efforts to save Nicky

[ripe berry]

(I still go with the crystals playing a role in the Luck Device stuff because of the Gemstones from Reset Day and how the Aaron Trilogy explains Roger and Adelle's Mayak stuff, aka some form of the luck devices need to predate Roger and Adelle's research)

[limber ridge]

I still kind of wonder how the ritual does affect weather

Does the statue contain gemstones?

[ripe berry]

If you think about it, the festival itself is a crude version of what the luck devices do since presumably the Luck Devices need for you to actually want something to happen...?

[ripe berry]

I don't think so

the game would provide some kind of indication if they do

[limber ridge]

What if the staffs

Eye and ear

I'm probably grasping at straws by now

I'm curious what the staffs even are supposed to symbolise

It could be like see no evil, hear no evil, say no evil, maybe?

[ripe berry]

and in the bad ending you have to assemble it into something more closely resembling the modern Guest we all know

afk

[limber ridge]

Interesting how they needed both the devices AND observatory

Norman also said the costumes were part of the rituals iirc, though i'm not sure If that's more out of their beliefs or actual necesity

[dusty trench]

Maybe as the loops were breaking in that loop period, they regaining their memories which can add onto what I was saying before. And can add way more depth to the kids and Aaron and puzzle masters to set the events for Nicky to get over his trauma, which I’ve said before. And that makes sense it’s in next loop period after, and add more to the loops learning from the other events to the timeline (talked about that too).

[dusty trench]

Which ca show more of Mayak tech being connected to the whole town. Hence what I talked about before with MITH event Turing off the power of town when we hit eye paintings.

[ripe berry]

back

[ripe berry]

Actually, since Theodore seems to get one to work, the observatory seemingly isn't 100% necessary?

[limber ridge]

Were there even any storms Ted could have used it in?

[ripe berry]

I don't remember, gotta go check rq ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ripe berry]

the clock symbolism

HNVR literally has a room in Guest World with
a giant clock
in the middle of a makeshift Raven Brooks
with a makeshift storm

(Image from Mr. Apple, thanks!) there's also Diane and Mya Mannequins inside of another armless clock in Guest World

[limber ridge]

Is it called Guest world or just dream world in files?

[ripe berry]

and (thanks again Mr. Apple)
literally one of the first things you see at beginning of the game. (when Delroy's in the Guest World)
Another armless clock... but you can see the context here

[ripe berry]

I think files when you play as the Guest call it Guest World
otherwise it's like Dark Dream or Dream World

[limber ridge]

Makeshift Raven Brooks... Reminds me of something

[ripe berry]

Prototype Hello Engineer

[limber ridge]

Yes

[ripe berry]

(It's where Maritza and Finch are locked up)

[limber ridge]

Still wonder what that was about.

[ripe berry]

least obvious hint towards the loop ever

[limber ridge]

I wonder If Carly wasn't given proper info about the alphas and tried to fill in the guest world... I mean there's no way the island could have been that because it's sandy, surrounded by sea, unlike HN2 alphas GW but maybe the RD Raven Brooks

[ripe berry]

and remember friends, the HNVR Devs said themselves to

[ripe berry]

a mannequin of Theodore Peterson ontop of an armless clock ontop of a bear-trap
bro is trapped on the clock
trapped in a loop

[neat phoenix]

goodnight

[limber ridge]

Okay so:
HN2, HaS, HN1 - AS
HND, SaR, HN3 - Books

(Tie in as in they are the same loop)

[ripe berry]

I'd also group HE with the AS

since HE is where Peterson first experiments with the loops

[limber ridge]

And SN?

[ripe berry]

Well the GAAP design in SN more closely matches the books
and Peterson's house is implied to still be intact to some degree by the badges
so I guess the Books loop?

[eager island]

i dont think hn3 is in books

but i wouldn't put it in AS either

[limber ridge]

Oh just beyond time loops. That's fair.

[ripe berry]

yeah, I'd say HN3 and Bosco Bay are separate from everything in terms of loop stuff
HN1, HNHS, HE, HN2 - AS
HNVR, SN, HND - Books
HN3 - itself

[eager island]

hn3 is doing its own thing such as gaap opening at 1984 or pre-1984 etc etc

[limber ridge]

Does guidebook count amongst books, is It a general thing, it's own thing, do we just ignore it?

[ripe berry]

it's own thing that isn't 100% canon

it's a meta guide (which multiple times references the games being games and books being books) that may have some lore

[limber ridge]

Adds up

[limber ridge]

Yeah, lore like fake neighbor still canon

[dusty trench]

I remember discussing much on the clack symbolism. Hence, right above without directly mentioning it specifically, this ties in well.

[wanton roost]

were back in the timeloops

[limber ridge]

Kind of

Timeloops and perspective both lead

[ripe berry]

coexistence is possible

[limber ridge]

Though you can put more significance on one than the other

Like time loops lead over perspective or perspective leads over time loops

[limber ridge]

I personally treat them as equals

[wanton roost]

all because of

[ripe berry]

what can we say... Mayak will explain everything.

[limber ridge]

No workplace discrimination on my watch

[wanton roost]

the key of the lore

[dusty trench]

#lore-discussion message This can tie into loops too because of what I’ve talked about with the tech and it brainwashing people. #lore-discussion message This too with tech being connected to whole town.

[ripe berry]

and moving HNVR to a separate loop fixes the major issues having HNVR and AS coexist caused

[limber ridge]

By guest existence time frame

And Delroy and Finch inconsistency

[wanton roost]

maybe ivan too

[limber ridge]

Ivan is present in both AS and HNVR when they save Nicky.
Delroy and Finch not so much.

[ripe berry]

yes, however...

[wanton roost]

not in the books which were the original

[ripe berry]

Ivan doesn't break in in HNVR

[wanton roost]

ohhh...

thats true

[ripe berry]

he DOES in WtRB

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah

[wanton roost]

ivan is suspicous in different ways

hn vr he doesnt go in the house and in the as he doesnt wanna talk about his relationship with the neighbor

[limber ridge]

Prolly cuz of his Neighbor encounter

I wonder If we'll ever find that out

[wanton roost]

that and him not being in the books and not breaking in

in secret neighbor its the planning of them breaking in if im correct\

[limber ridge]

Well tehnically Ivan could have been mentioned in reset day but probably not

[eager island]

it was like that

but it somehow changed now

after halloween update

quentin and otto in SN is canon

[limber ridge]

Secret neighbor is just the kids own dream world

It takes place like after the show probably

Or at least after season 2

Quentin encounter and all

[wanton roost]

in 2019 i think the kids were now skins along with ivan and reset day (came out in 2021) there was no ivan cuz he wasnt in the books so what does that make him hmm

[limber ridge]

Although, with time loops, who can say

Time loops leave a lot of stuff to be explored

Like the loops between AS and Books

[wanton roost]

as frigid said maybe it is a kids dream world i mean trinity asked quentin for help but he refused and i think almost everyone fears the taxedermist maybe trinity too cuz she was gonna get killed by him

[limber ridge]

There'd have to be multiple

[ripe berry]

so new timeline is:
(+ is used when it's a memory, if it's before that's when the original event occurred, if it's after that's when it's remembered)
Unaffected by loops, exists in all loops - Island Plot (or whatever from it is still canon), Bosco Bay
Pre-Loop - HNHS and HNHS Launch Trailer and +HN1 Nightmares, +AS Ep. 1-3, Act 1 and +AS Ep. 4, +AS Ep. 5, +AS Ep. 6 and +Act 2, +AS Season 2, HN2 DLCs and +AS Season 3, HN2, LayoutV2, HE, HN2 Patch 9, HE Sandbox, AS+, Act 2+, HN1 Nightmares+, Act 3, Act Finale
During Loop - Bad Blood, Grave Mistakes, Puzzle Master, Missing Pieces and +HND (Memories), Waking Nightmare, Buried Secrets, HNVR, Raven Brooks Disaster, HN Movie(...?), HND+, Reset Day
Post-Loops - HN3

right?

[eager island]

whats is the

island plot

[wanton roost]

makes sense kind of to me

[limber ridge]

The prototype for HE was about Ted's crash on the island

[eager island]

i know that

but is it

canon

[limber ridge]

Crash which was mentioned in books

[limber ridge]

To some extent it'd have to be

Not necesarily the fake RB stuff but the crash itself

Basically we don't know.

We know there was a crash but not what went on in it

[ripe berry]

it's alluded to a couple of times in the books

[limber ridge]

Although the island might not have had time loops since the first time Ted goes through them is after HE right?

[ripe berry]

unclear
HE is when Theodore is figuring out how they work

[limber ridge]

Ahh

So he could have experienced them but

[ripe berry]

he could've been involved with one beforehand
or it could've come from Adelle and Roger's research
or a million other places

[limber ridge]

The island is actually an experiment ground of the Tavish Society before they founded Raven Brooks trust

[dusty trench]

Maybe. Could be why Mr. Peterson chose to go there of all places (other than is being a deserted zone and he can fake plane crash).

[limber ridge]

I'm kidding btw

[dusty trench]

But that can be an idea if you think about it

[limber ridge]

But possible i guess

[dusty trench]

Just, where would it even fit?

Before Raven Brooks?

Maybe they went experimenting but they just started the research there.

Since it would be way before Roger and Adele’s time.

[limber ridge]

They developed their first mutant there(goat Snuest) and ran after it almost killed them

[ripe berry]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExcTZwcml5Z3dwODJ3YW11NW5sZnBwNzJzN2VpaDYwY2JrNGRoNmZlbiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/ZLe54r3KjmXmUk0FQH/giphy.gif

[dusty trench]

Peak

[ripe berry]

Welcome back to frigid news station where we answer the real questions.

[limber ridge]

Nuh uh, we ask them

Like any great news station should

[wanton roost]

i think the answer here would be in hn3s museum but in upcoming hn3 alphas or final game maybe

[limber ridge]

(this means that any other news station is bad btw)

[wanton roost]

because in prototype 3 there is alot of interesting portraits/newspapers and it looks like how the town like became a town

[limber ridge]

I wonder If Trinity starts re-experiencing the AS events during the pre-loop era or after the first loop.

Because Ted finds out how to loop time all the way in HE, but the AS has to be retold at a time when they have Phones.

[wanton roost]

i think she re experiences it after the book

[limber ridge]

At the same time, Trinity doesn't seem to keep any gemstones from Reset day that allow her to remember

[wanton roost]

also maritza both of them actually reiexperience it

[ripe berry]

dropping a bunch of the raw texture files

[wanton roost]

thank u sm for sending them i wanted to find em all but im too lazy

but yeah the very first one with the single house it looks like how the town got originated

history repeats itself..

[limber ridge]

Sheesh the Lucy newspaper being here really makes you think Lucy is super important.

[ripe berry]

(credit to JacktheFrog71 for these and the other textures I'm sending now)

[wanton roost]

oh wow theres actually some i never seen

[ripe berry]

the founders

[ripe berry]

then again, she probably was from the town's perspective

[limber ridge]

In the books yeah

[wanton roost]

she probably still is

i mean

in the books i dont think other kids were mentioned lucy was the main focus

and in the AS she gets lightning striked

[limber ridge]

In the show they couldn't even remember where She vanished so someone was able to make rumours of Ted chasing her and they weren't unproved

Or maybe Quentin is just terrible at doing research who knows 🤷

[wanton roost]

that someone was probably a member of the cult

[limber ridge]

Gordon Cleave in AS

[wanton roost]

he said that there were rumours but i dont think he meant it was his

[wanton roost]

Lol

i mean we have ghost lucy in some sn event

idk if thats canon but yeah we have it

[dusty trench]

Lucy ghost is like well, canon. But, in the metaphorical view that’s all use lime folklore of sorts.

[limber ridge]

Maybe that's supposed to represent how the memory of her motivates them.

[daring saddle]

What is LayoutV2?

[limber ridge]

It is a teaser for story expansion on tB's channel

[ripe berry]

https://youtu.be/W9a_zMzzgAM?si=FWSsPu-J2u0FIjqe

[limber ridge]

For the story expansion that was scrapped

[dusty trench]

Yes partially. And can show more of that flying angel reference and symbolism, as she is portrayed to fly up to heaven. like an angel.

[wanton roost]

oh my god the hype that was real..

[wanton roost]

maybee

[wanton roost]

the thing is i think they didnt actually mean to kill her anyway they were going for mya

but the symbolism of a crowface angel

[dusty trench]

Well yea we know that. But Mya was protected but cult still kinda got their way. But killing someone closer to Mya instead. And ruing Mr. Peterson life more.

[wanton roost]

its like an accident turning into something that is on purpose and now its important forever

[wanton roost]

why couldnt they finish off maritza though even if she got them the book

[limber ridge]

I really wonder what happened in loops between AS and books

[dusty trench]

Yes

[limber ridge]

I'm pretty sure in one of them, maybe even more, Mya dies on the rollercoaster

[dusty trench]

They used Mya to find out who is closer to her. A they found Maritza was a good option, alongside they want Enzo for something since they know puzzle masters are trying to get him to be a puzzle master.

[wanton roost]

speaking of rollercoaster

[limber ridge]

Because Ted was looking very worried for that to not happen

[dusty trench]

Yea

[wanton roost]

we are in a rollercoaster in the act 1 nightmare and kill mya so that also signifies her supposingly to die on the rollercoaster (but doesnt ofc)

[limber ridge]

Think that even was included in our beloved...

Stage play theory!

[ripe berry]

not to mention Enzo signed someone into the town who he shouldn't have
pretty sure Reset Day indicates that the Guest itself kidnapped Enzo

[wanton roost]

i see who are the puzzle masters anyway

[dusty trench]

And hint at Lucy. I’ve mentioned this before a while ago.

[limber ridge]

Anti-cult group

[ripe berry]

nickname Dark_L uses for the Anti-Cult group implied to exist in the books

[dusty trench]

Norman Darby, Ms. Tillman, Rita, Ike, Missing Journalist, an maybe Lisa

[limber ridge]

Maybe Archivist too

[wanton roost]

so did we kind of solve who got enzo missing all a sudden

[ripe berry]

(also had Theodore but he betrayed the group)

[wanton roost]

a cult but good side

[limber ridge]

I think people sort of theorised that when it was first released

[ripe berry]

said that shortly before he went missing he was smelling burning
which Reset Day associates with the "Guest" (possibly Theodore...?)

[limber ridge]

They don't worship anything

[split oriole]

how?

[limber ridge]

Unless...

[wanton roost]

oh yea right i forgot that cult meant smth like worship

[dusty trench]

Yes partially. Since he already had the goal for the past he do while associated with them, never was really apart of them per se.

[limber ridge]

What is more recent however, that Archivist might have been the mysterious person Enzo signed into RB

[wanton roost]

ppl told me she only had 1 line so far she had like 5 lines in the nicky trilogy and now shes probably in aaron trilogy?

ive been lied to

[ripe berry]

the flood from Raven Brooks Disaster

[dusty trench]

Maybe cult posing as Guest in a way. Because it only showed portrayal of beak, and also AS cult designs being similar.

[ripe berry]

Tillman being a part of the group is unclear
but shortly before Reset Day she does know some stuff

she knows of the loops

[dusty trench]

But maybe cult wanted Enzo, but Guest got to him first.

[ripe berry]

she knows of the gemstones and how they're fragments of something

[wanton roost]

the loops?!

i need to know more.. lol

[ripe berry]

yeah, during Reset Day the Guest is looping time back to November 2nd over and over

[dusty trench]

Also in HE Mr. Peterson trapped inventors club in loop

[limber ridge]

Also in HE prototype Peterson was stuck in loop

[ripe berry]

(the Reset Day in question)

[dusty trench]

On island

[wanton roost]

i see

[dusty trench]

Which can be how he knows how to escape.

[wanton roost]

interesting tbh

[wanton roost]

and theo made the inventors club in the books iirc

[ripe berry]

(Enzo went missing on November 1st)

[limber ridge]

No not really

[dusty trench]

Also ca imply thy rings were created before by a Roger and Adele since they prevent Mayak tech from affecting you.

[dusty trench]

No he didn’t

[wanton roost]

im sure i read that he did tho

[limber ridge]

Didn't Lucy make the club?

[dusty trench]

Also there’s teleportation devices in HN connected to Mayak.

[limber ridge]

Or was it a different club

[wanton roost]

theo made the club for lucy mya and mari

[limber ridge]

No i don't think so

[dusty trench]

She made the Golden Apple Young Inventors Club

[limber ridge]

Oh. I get them all mixed up

[dusty trench]

She is credited with co founding

But the inventors club as a whole existed way before

[limber ridge]

Wasn't there also a club named "Engineering masters of the universe" or EMU?

[old heron]

Same eyes vibes

[limber ridge]

Greeeeeen

[dusty trench]

I’ve talked this before

[wanton roost]

nicky i think made the name and idk he made the club

[old heron]

Oh really?? I am new here

[wanton roost]

i feel like theo did cuz in the AS as well he says that he wants to be in the inventors club as a kid

[limber ridge]

He didn't make it most likely

Wait i wonder who made the club in the show(the old one)

[dusty trench]

The eye I believe is based on the eye from the town culture which has been demented into a cult symbol. And also the Cole of eye is based on the eyes of Franklin and Theo. One idea was Roger and Adele, one idea was Tavish’s/Ravens society. Both combined into one.

[wanton roost]

yeah but the kids in the 90s we convinced by theo ig

[wanton roost]

maybe the mayor? not sure cuz hes like the big bad boy bully in the episode lol

like hes the leader

[limber ridge]

Prolly

[dusty trench]

Maybe Mr. Murtaugh set it up as an idea, and student leaders did the rest.

Making it what it is later on

[wanton roost]

wait ur right there was a mr martaugh

[limber ridge]

Then in real time Abanante is the most leadery

[ripe berry]

Welcome to the chat

[wanton roost]

what if martugh was also stuck in a loop or is it his dad or whatever

[limber ridge]

So that'd make Murtaugh like...

70?

They're all about 14, let's say

In the present they're like, 53 or so

[wanton roost]

not sure really i feel like hes very energetic and he moves alot so

[limber ridge]

Roughly 40 years have passed

[old heron]

Hii

[limber ridge]

Let's say Murtaugh is about 20 back then

Eh' like 60 i guess

[wanton roost]

that seems kinda crazy

[old heron]

Idk why but HN3 really hyped me

[wanton roost]

is retirement illegal in raven brooks lol

[dusty trench]

Me too I’m excited

[wanton roost]

I feel like it can be a loop for some reason

[old heron]

I dont know but this one will explain more things than HN2

[wanton roost]

Cuz the kids have a pine apple martuagh

[dusty trench]

Yes most def

They have more time with this one

[wanton roost]

And they probably crushed it splitting it

And in the future new inventors club its watermelon so the food martuagh faces are a loop and so is his death

[limber ridge]

I'm not sure what these kids have against Ted

[wanton roost]

It sounds funny but eh lol

[old heron]

What are the best theories you've seen about the upcoming game?

[wanton roost]

"I wanted revenge for my family they took everything from me and u took the rest"

meanwhile trinity bringing an extra member and get him more stressed and still runs away from him

[dusty trench]

I mean how would they understand if he’s being vague

Hell they probably don’t even care about it anymore, and in S3 they get dragged into it when trying to finish the car because of the obvious.

[wanton roost]

Even what nicky said to them "I saw stuff from peterson messed up stuff when he was a kid" trinity doesn't give a reaction at all

[dusty trench]

But that makes sense since of how the treated Nicky and the have to redeem

Which we see in S&R.

They all redeem.

[wanton roost]

yeah

[dusty trench]

Setting the events for act 3 to occur, including Aaron. And Nicky knows too since, he portrays Aaron saving him from basement. Freeing him from his nightmares from the trauma he had in basement. He’s able to escape and let go for the future. And, in basement there multiple rooms to represent his friends.

And we can’t forget that Mr. Peterson did well make everything worse because of loops. Because he went insane because of what he seen happen all because of Ravens Society.

And he still well, kidnapped those kids so yea.

[limber ridge]

Guys i was talking about the bullies

[dusty trench]

Ooh

[wanton roost]

Look what you started

I know the answer to that question

They are the hippin cool kids that wanna make fun of the nerdy losers cuz they are 2 cool 4 school

[limber ridge]

It's not even like they have a vendetta against Petersons they aren't at all as rude to Frank for example

[dusty trench]

Well, his parents are Roger and Adele. Gerda formed the group after encounter with cult forced to not tell info and group others maybe, or just be apart of them by doing what they want. And Gerda maybe told to bring in more, or brought others so she front feels alone. And thy slowly learn from Ravens society. Maybe some of there parents are greedy corporate A Holes too.

[limber ridge]

Yes and i let it continue on purpose too
/j

Be careful Dark

[wanton roost]

I mean he's graduating

[limber ridge]

True

If they messed with him they're screwed

They already were kinda screwed

[wanton roost]

and they tried by the way lol

And it wasn't very fair cuz they all held him at once

But one by one he just gave them the neighbor ep 6 moves

[limber ridge]

I feel like they only were able to get him down the pit due to him just wanting chill by that point

[wanton roost]

wanna know what else is a loop

[limber ridge]

What

[wanton roost]

Franklin throwing leslie

And theo ep 6 throwing leslie

But in a group of officers

leslie just had to say the lines

"You slipped up now your going down"

[limber ridge]

Oh

[wanton roost]

I don't get why mayor is the most chill when he sees theo he almost tried hitting theo with a baseball bat

Idk if he's changed towards theo in the public or he just wants to be chilling cool in the public

[limber ridge]

Okay so metaphors, hyperbole, paralels. This truly is a franchise of figures of speech huh.

[limber ridge]

I think he's trying to be chill in public

[wanton roost]

yeah

[limber ridge]

If Ted ever met him non-publicly, Mayor gets screwed over

[wanton roost]

He would've gotten the same baseball treatment franklin gave him

[limber ridge]

Anymore lore to exists?

[jade cargo]

Ike died in the Halloween of 1991, right?

[dusty trench]

His body was found in the Golden Apple Factory in a peppermint vat, not specifically Halloween tho as far as confirmation (iirc).

[jade cargo]

yeah, but like in the Bad Bood prologue the Mayak event was described, and then, later in the book, the Mayak event was described again and its halloween, also in Grave Mistakes its mentioned that Aaron has been living in RB for about 6 months and this is like 2 weeks afters halloween, and in Bad Blood chapter 1 it says that it happened 6 months before the prologe

[dusty trench]

Maybe Halloween then, or sometime before or near.

[dusty trench]

And if so, this can add onto what I have been talking about with loops affects g peoples minds in ways, like similar events happening in loops or similar periods of time or events.

[jade cargo]

im confuse because it seems like Aaron was chasing Ike, 2 weeks after halloween, but Aaron never mentions the Mayak that day

[ripe berry]

yeah the books are a bit finnicky with the exact dates

The Golden Apple Amusement Park is said to be open for 2 weeks in Nicky's Trilogy
but only a day in Aaron's Trilogy

[dusty trench]

Dates can be like that because, it’s fear impacting the events which if you look at how that trilogy tells the story especially over time, that makes sense.

[jade cargo]

yeah, but I think we shouldnt take the different trilogies as a whole storyline

[dusty trench]

Wdym by that?

[dusty trench]

Like this for example. maybe it was open for 2 weeks. But Aaron’s mind portrays it that way because of the fear that impacted him during that tragedy. And Aaron trilogy can be in loop after, and Nicky trilogy can be in loop before like HN1 and stuff but impacted mostly by fear and trauma in the mindset of Nicky’s perspective within that loop. Or maybe Nicky trilogy is in the loop period as Aaron trilogy, and Aaron’s mind is being manipulated by loops and Mayak, impacting his fears more. As, Aaron trilogy is the weirdest out of the bunch and mostly different in terms of how it tells the story and placements of where they out stuff. I believe it’s Aaron trying to regain his mind back, with help from the puzzle masters. And he is portraying that traumatic event fi the past, so he can get to what needs to be done. Setting rescue squad free and breaking loop further, setting character kinds few such as rescue squad and Quentin too in a way (as if you remember theories from before regarding puzzle masters in HN2 including time), and setting the events for act 3 to happen and using Harvard remember the events in a non distorted way so the timeline ca be fully fixed. Hence, why Nicky portray other rooms in basement and Aston freeing him in act 2 which is the trauma filled moment. Setting the events for the future so Nicky ca be free from his fears. Nicky needed to free him first, as we see in AS which is older loop, and even I believe portrayed in HN1 act 3 and finale.

[jade cargo]

Just as we don't consider the Nicky trilogy as part of the same continuity as the animated series, we shouldn't consider the different trilogies as part of the same continuity either.

[dusty trench]

While not in that “continuity” in the terms of portrayal, it’s all canon in the same universe tho. You can view the storyline in the metaphor way, or in a way where you are combing all the media together to create evidence and solve the actual story from info you get from each media and portrayal. Even the loops, characters minds, other stuff, etc. . It’s still canon at the end of the day.

[jade cargo]

I know, its complicate to explain

[dusty trench]

It doesn’t really have to be complicated as many make it out to be. As you can look at simple stories in universe or just fit some stuff together easily. But if you want to get a full picture, you look at other details metaphors and stuff to get a bigger picture. And if you want to go even deeper to find similarities and other tiny hints or ideas, you can do that if you really want to get every single piece of detail out there. Since there is much to explore in this franchise.

[limber ridge]

"continuity is the consistency of the characteristics of people, plot, objects, and places seen by the audience over some period of time." So yeah they are all different continuities.
Just, that there is something connecting them and putting them all in the same universe: time loops and perspectives.
Basically what I'm saying is, it's not linear, you can't get a full timeline by piecing together all the way exact events, vanilla style.
Even different book triliogies have differences.

[dusty trench]

(Replies to message right above me) And some events too, like that have detail in medias to tie into another media.

[limber ridge]

Yes

[limber ridge]

(This is to add onto what you said)

[dusty trench]

I know

[limber ridge]

I wonder what a game about the perspective of an outsider on the town would be like.
Like, we already have HN3, but i mean it as in what someone that has never been in town and never will be thinks of it, the events and stuff.

I could imagine most of the sci-fi stuff being replaced with supernatural because they wouldn't have as good of an idea on what is actually going down there.

[willow depot]

I dunno, something about green and purple skin, blue hair, tall legs

Everything else looks fine

[willow depot]

Jokes aside, technically Trinity's pov partially?

Then again those lads have smartphones

[limber ridge]

I mean like someone that's never been in town.

Just from rumours, news, etc

[wanton roost]

i have a feeling it would be like a make your own character thing

[limber ridge]

How do they imagine the town is like

For example, i wasn't around for when the dinosaurs were here. I can still imagine how the world is with them

Tbf there's a small chance HN3 is actually like that.

[old heron]

Its a sandbox so I think so

[wanton roost]

I think iirc they said there'll be modes

Sandbox mode and story mode

I think nikita said this

[limber ridge]

Yup
#hn3-discussion message

[wanton roost]

i think we will be able to make our own character actually hmm

customizing skin colour some outifts hats etc

[limber ridge]

I don't really think so

Nikita said the character'll have some backstory

[old heron]

Nikita says on the devlog that'll will be a sandbox

[eager island]

the game is a sandbox

[wanton roost]

did he now?

[eager island]

there will be 2 planned modes

[eager island]

story mode
free roam mode

story mode is about playing the over and over again i guess

[wanton roost]

iirc nikita said that there wont be cutscenes in the final game right? i think he said the players makes events happen

so its like cutscenes but like ur still playing

[eager island]

yeah

but i think there will be an intro and ending cutscene

[eager island]

if we look at the direction P3 is going

[wanton roost]

yeah since we have a couple in prototype 3

it makes me feel like an ending cutscene will be long

i never heard about the player having backstory

[eager island]

i mean player probably will

nikita has had an ideal player in mind since last year

[wanton roost]

interesting maybe a player model will be in alpha 1? who knows

[eager island]

i would say so

i dont think they will continue with jacob

[ripe berry]

I think he could mean the same way Prototype 3 handles it

aka there's a reason The Stranger/HN3 Protag/whatever the common consensus nickname for them is atm visits Raven Brooks
but basically nothing outside of that

#hn3-discussion message

[willow depot]

The Stranger sounds tuff as heck

[limber ridge]

Makes sense

[wanton roost]

I have a theory the protagonist is hired and he lives in a different town and i think he has to solve/or figure out of the town is still abandoned maybe cuz the other towns wanna make it popular again? I dunno

[limber ridge]

They've sorta done this with Quentin, as in it's someone hired.
But maybe

[wanton roost]

Yes

[limber ridge]

This implies the movie and AS are in the same loop and perspective will explain the differences.

[cursive kraken]

pls no Trinity how the main character in movie

[limber ridge]

Nah

Imbir will be the main character

/j i think

[cursive kraken]

bruh

we need only Necky

[limber ridge]

It will probably be Nicky

[cursive kraken]

good

this can be like the first game

[limber ridge]

Alex said it's Nicky's perspective

[cursive kraken]

awecome

[limber ridge]

Imbir will still play a part though, most likely

[eager island]

it is based on hn1 + bits from books and AS

[cursive kraken]

this will be good

[cursive kraken]

can Necky fly in movie?

[wanton roost]

What lol

[cursive kraken]

this joke

[limber ridge]

Dumpster glitch I think

[cursive kraken]

Nicky just will speedrun

[limber ridge]

The angle of the movie will be Nicky discovering console commands

/j

[cursive kraken]

he will be very fast

and neighbor slow

lol

[limber ridge]

Neighbor will use a vacuum cleaner to get Nicky of his roof

[cursive kraken]

Necky will use the superthrow and tv clip

[cursive kraken]

yes

and pre alpha man in basement

[limber ridge]

Just now I realise, if the pre-loop era goes all the way to 2017 (act 3), then the books loop goes at least all the way back to 1991, it'd leave Raven Brooks at least 30 years out of sync with the outer world by the time of Reset day, as opposed to only about months as shown in Reset Day(since we know the world beyond Raven Brooks isn't affected by loops).
This, by the way, is ignoring HN3 stuff (like GAAP in '84) and the fact that there probably was at least one other loop separate from AS and books

[willow depot]

I have no clue what's going on

[limber ridge]

Good.

/j

Tbf I'm not really sure I know either lol.

[wanton roost]

I just want some food

Kfc would be nice

[ripe berry]

I'm not sure how this is myself lol

[limber ridge]

I guess act 3 could be like... Moved in another loop?

Would that make any sense?

[wanton roost]

I feel like a loop can only end if the person stuck in it ends up in mayak and doing smth to it?

I'm so tired but ill try to stay awake

[limber ridge]

Everyone's stuck in the loop

Not just one person

[wanton roost]

Yes ik but as an example I'm saying

Everyone is at mayak in s3 except nicky so ig he's still in the loop until act 3

[limber ridge]

Maybe people that got gemstones

(gemstones btw are from Reset day and they prevent the owner of them from forgetting what happened in past loops)

[limber ridge]

I wonder why does Ted even have to wait until act 3 time to turn time loops on

Unless I am missing something

[wanton roost]

Hmmm interesting

[ripe berry]

it's only because splitting the acts of HN1 between different loops feels weird

[limber ridge]

Tbf there's also the house thing

[ripe berry]

but at the same time HN1/HNHS and the books clearly don't exist in the same loop

[ripe berry]

yeah

[limber ridge]

I guess uhh

Yeah

Not everything's gonna match up, even Alex said so

It mostly does but there's a few plot holes here and there

[ripe berry]

so I just opt to ignore the question of why some loops are seemingly worldwide while others only affect Raven Brooks

[limber ridge]

Yeah, maybe guest just messed them up and had them only be in Raven Brooks.

[ripe berry]

I mean it didn't have the original Mayak infastructure anymore since that burns in GN2

so maybe

[dusty trench]

It’s not just that to break loop, as Mr. Peterson is constructing it most of the period until the future time period, and it’s if you throw Mr. Peterson off or make events happen that can have the future unfold. That’s until th loop breaks like Mr. Peterson reached his breaking point but unfortunately not everything has the best outcome and not everything in timeline will be perfect, so he goes insane and loop is being constructed by someone else later on (most likely since Peterson is on destructive path).

[dusty trench]

Well actually that seems pretty important tbh. Maybe Mr. Peterson from island experiments or was just on island and island has its own loop. Raven brooks has its own too. But, remember what I was talking about with the lops transporting people as well as the brainwashing thing, tech being connected to the town (which Mr. Peterson has put Mayak tech and stuff on island because of HE and him being able to transport kids there). And also the lops and Mayak brainwashing hit also learning from the people effected by loop. Maybe as the loops learned from people in Raven Brooks after Mr. Peterson put them in RB, then as they learn peoples memory’s and places they went, the Mayak tech learned and expanded on the world in a way, but most Raven Brooks as the core of where the Mayak tech is mainly at since well, Mayak is there. And likely it was caused sorta to the world since Mr. Peterson would then leave island, and they would learn like places he want and such so the island loop didn’t effect too much, while Raven Brooks loop affected a ton more, and it got worse. But it’s mostly affected in Raven Brooks as I said so maybe periods and dates in the town specifically later on get reset more, while the outside world it would take time. But then something like Reset day, it would affect the characters minds into just staying in Raven Brooks since there minds are in a different part of the Mayak tech and they’re part of the loop period is being trapped in Raven Brooks, also showing Koenig trauma and events impacting characters and the events and stuff institute loops or other stuff affecting them. And this can tie to the transformation ting and rebirth too which I’ve discussed before.

[dreamy sluice]

okay brah

he has one, she's dead

and nicky is forty years younger than hi

by the time we see nicky as an adult, the neighbor is nowhere to be seen and in his 70s

[dusty trench]

Actually he is in act 3 in the apartment scene outside on top of roof building sitting there.

But yea this is crazy bro, like wth. 40 YEARS YOUNGER BTW

[wanton roost]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-loading-wojak-loading-gif-24650015

[limber ridge]

Use the gorilla gif instead.

[wanton roost]

I would but the amount of gorilla gifs I have sent 😭

I don't want my embeds taken

[limber ridge]

I wonder what that is all about

[limber ridge]

Yeah okay

[willow depot]

Easter egg much

I'm pretty sure at least in Beta he was in the laughing animation which could be interpreted as him laughing at proto-Nicky's bad living environment, as a joke

[limber ridge]

Sheesh not a very supportive father

[willow depot]

Speaking of, one thing that really took me out of the generational trauma plot is that proto-Nicky is almost 40 and still single

Barely any point to be tryna destroy generational trauma when it's likely that he'll die a loner not passing it down anyway

[limber ridge]

Now you've docked that storyline for me too

Maybe he didn't get married because he was worried of the cycle continuing

And then after he confronted his trauma he did get married

[willow depot]

that's actually a pretty good interpretation

given that he got out to get some air in the end of the ending cutscene hopefully he'll get some game

[limber ridge]

When our game ends his game starts

[proud hull]

he wanted an excuse , he did it

[dusty trench]

Nicky’s fear of that moment looming over him, always watching. But he slowly starts to see a human side to the person who kidnapped him, which was also his best friend’s father. That’s why Mr. Peterson is looking down at the apartment in a kind of regretful face. Almost like he was going to talk to him, but couldn’t. I feel like that’s for something the audience to see, since i don’t think Nicky noticed that. That is, is that was Mr. Peterson in the flesh, and they’re using that for the audience to interpret Nicky’s fears of that moment.

[limber ridge]

Makes sense

Interesting how in one loop(the AS loop) the big storm (from HN2) is most likely caused by the cult (or the guest I guess but not Peterson since that's before the first loop even, so he doesn't have reason to cause storm yet) while in another one (the books loop) it is caused by Peterson (flood from GN2)

[dusty trench]

Just show more of him falling to the curse.

[dusty trench]

There is the satellite thing in HN1 but really I believe Mr. Peterson is experimenting at Mayak most, and cultist are using coins and luck device’s to manipulate what happening at Mayak or maybe activate tech from far so they can do ya know, bad stuff, and there own research and experiments.

[limber ridge]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

Maybe the binoculars Nicky has represents and shows that he is always looking out if someone is watching him. So maybe the Peterson on the roof thing is something for audience to see representing Nicky’s fears looming of the moment looming over him, even from far. But Nicky has this little sensing urge of a more human side of him, hence the nightmares and act 2, and why Mr. Peterson doesn’t look like he’s in rage of when he’s off the hook. Learning more about Aaron Mya and Diane, and using that to learn more or atleast understand a motive behind Mr. Peterson. So he can get over that moment more now learning about it. This can even add more onto Nicky knowing about Aaron and Rescue Squad freeing him from his trauma, setting the events for the future. Hence, he escapes the nightmare fear portrayal of when he’s kidnapped, so he escapes that fear leaving the path for the future.

[limber ridge]

Giant purple crow in the theycrow video... Could it be hinting at the guest's origin?

[dusty trench]

And its purple, in the video they even shown Mayak (the building it’s based on but still ya know). And there was cultist too in the vid. So maybe.

The new HN3 Mr. Peterson teaser has a kind of background that reminds me of the storms.

[limber ridge]

Reminds me of the background of this.

[dusty trench]

A symbol of someone with a ton of rage, anger, and mental insanity, falling victim to a painful destructive symbol

[limber ridge]

Is Hello engineer a different perspective of Season 3 or a different event?

I mean, of course, we will only be able to figure once season 3 releases, but what guess works better for now?

[wanton roost]

different event i think

because its not actually them making car machines

[limber ridge]

Truly a tragic villain.

[dusty trench]

I mean season 3 will reveal like gust and Mayak in that view, but we can’t say for sure that it will do allat.

[limber ridge]

Allat as in all that goes on in sandbox HE?

[dusty trench]

Oh I was saying manly like, the specific persons perspective that HE is on or if it’s multiple. But maybe S3 while on HE, will partially go into sandbox likely since 5 eps. Since it’s distorted by fear. But like show it in a different way. Maybe they go into sandbox early on like EP3. Or in that episode or many episodes, each one will reveal a part of sandbox. Maybe kids will start remembering what actually happened in the moment, or maybe that they escaped the place as loop breaks. That’s the best I feel it can work. Each episode revealing apart of sandbox and like how the tech works, and slowly building up to the Mayak finale, and Guest. Maybe like the will show how stuff works like the events of kids or other character like Mr. Peterson using tech, and show like blueprints, and even other stuff that the audience would know without having to explain everything in deep deep detail with words.

[signal delta]

Guys what if Nicky is the guest in hello neighbour 3

[tepid badge]

But if the guest is also in hn2, which takes place before act 3 of hn1, then how would that make sense?

[dusty trench]

If he is The Guest (which he isn’t) it would ruin his character arc in HN1 unless they pull a, that’s not the original Nicky which idk how that would work asf rn. Or there can be a fake Guest who is Nicky and he helps people, which would t be bad. But if Nicky just is The Guest in HN3, it’s not the same Nicky from before. They would really have to make it good and make sense with all the other lore we have. But it likely never will.

[dusty trench]

What is Mr. Peterson’s watch has the Mayak tech in it. Like one of the things to prevent Mayak tech, like the loops from affecting your mind and brainwashing you in the looping process. And we know it’s not just, rings but it’s the crystals with Mayak tech in it itself. As there can be different types of crystals, even hidden in tech. Like the luv devices, those crystals are modified for that device specifically, and they ca also be in or part of the coins too. So it front even just have to be a crystal design, it just mostly is. Also if you consider what I was talking about on how the loops work Mayak tech brainwashing people, the memory thing, an the clocks moving backwards mainly in Raven Brooks bit as it learns it affects the world in ways because of like where characters went, are from, or many other things lie people related to them, since it learns from your memory’s. This could make sense and I feel like this is an interesting idea (imo).

[dusty trench]

This can tie into how Mayaks tech wit weather and shocks and what it can do which we’ve seen in the games especially like HE, with the different shock things and stuff. Mainly connected to metal and magnetic stuff, if you remember what I talked about in HE way before with the metal and magnetic connection that ties in. It connects to all the clocks and clock systems, requires everything, and then something like a shock or thing connected to machinery impacting chargers minds brainwashing them and the technology learning from characters minds and learning all about them in real time. And even adding stuff to the loops that impact the characters minds, hence why there are super similar and paralleling moments in stories. Quentin’s sister Beatrix (while not dead) goes missing in a game of Hide and Seek. Franklin Mr. Peterson’s older brother falling down a hole from high. Aaron accidentally pushing his sister Mya off a roof in a tragic game of hide and seek. Showing Joe of loops and Mayak playing with characters minds, moments from the past and even other stuff that a character can notice and kinda relate too, all leading up to a moment that might just break a character. Even like Mr. Perform trapping kids in loop to Mae then suffer and then trapped in fear, the loop learns from that function mainly of Mr. Peterson constructing loops, and in later loop periods characters are dead, like Enzo and Maritza’s mom. And other stuff you see happen, or it can blind character minds by their hopes and dreams, but in the end mainly if things go wrong to of the constructor, it can all fall down. And when things happen to Mr. Peterson, that’s when he is thrown off and the loop begins breaking. And it going against his programming, bad things can happen to him as the loops breaks and it can get out of control depending on what happens, affecting even the world. The balance of time has been broken by Mayak, slowly having a kind of its own. But it keeps gettin my broken by tragedy,

Almost like Mr. Peterson. Someone who later on deeded for control out of fear, and when he had hope and stopped paying attention to reality since his mind wasn’t right, it fell back on him again, and again. And, again. Truly tragic this is, and sickening once you learn what’s really happening with the loops and Mayak. It’s gaming a mind of its own slowly and becoming more powerful, even affecting the world. The more people get impacted, the more the balance will be broken, and can corrupt everything. That’s why it needs to be restored, or everything will break. And knowing Franklin being one to (metaphorically) be apart of Mayak in the way that when the incident happened it unlocked a huge part of Mayak, never seen before. Even the eye being based on the culture of town, but the color of Franklin, Theo (and maybe rest of Peterson’s like Lisa Roger or Adele), it makes sense. And knowing how Franklin is represented as higher up and sacrificing himself for Theo, and Theo seeing him as higher up. But feels like he betrayed him. It’s almost like playing with higher up parts of the world that can be dangerous. And ca slowly corrupt the world itself if you keep doing what you’re doing. Almost like an example of metaphors in witch craft, or like mad scientist experiments. It’s an experiment gone wrong, a battle over control for different reasons. But then the thing they are fighting for is can get out of control, and destroy has everything. This can even tie to older symbolism and ideas in Hello Neighbor’s narrative development. Battle between his and the angels, vs Devil and the demons. Except it’s in the way that, the puzzle masters are the angels trying to restore everything. And there’s the demons cult trying to ruin everything for themselves. And Mr. Peterson who is struggling fighting his own battles and demons, falling victim to destructive symbol, turning into a demon himself. Like the raven man symbol, and Mayak itself. The balance is being thrown off and broken.

[dusty trench]

All because of the tragic and unfortunate events happening, and people fighting for control. Franklin is an angelic symbol, Lucy too, even Diane and Mya. Beatrix to even tho she isn’t dead’s Aaron is willing to sacrifice himself for everything to be set right. Mr. Peterson is broken and fell victim to a demon. The dark side of The Raven Man. Destructive symbol who has a huge impact on the narrative, events, and characters. Even the cult, the demons. Greedy, manipulative, and even blood thirsty people with twisted minds into thinking what they do is right. And the ravens themselves mainly as, it can show the dark side of nature and the good side. And can show the nature of life too. The cycle in time, life and death. It can show nature being corrupted by demonic impact, or angelic impact. Which ties to the cult. Corrupting others and the environment around them, for their own benefit. And even the good people on the story too, puzzle maters ya know, others I’ve mentioned. And Mayak is of all of that. Place of the experiments, the curiosity getting the best of it, tragedy, manipulation, and god like power. Power that can corrupt life itself, slowly developing its mind into its own. And once it’s fully broken and angered, there is no escape. Because it has already gotten grasp of everything. It can take control of everything in the environment, it can balance everything restoring the world. Or it can destroy everything.

[ripe berry]

not to mention doesn't the Dlub Yaits nightmare link Lucy and Mya's deaths (I think the guidebook directly calls that nightmare a "topsy-turvy version of the Rotten Core roller coaster") (not to mention that at least in the Books Mya was meant to die on that ride, not Lucy) like How Franklin, Beatrix, and Mya are already linked?

[dusty trench]

And this ties to what I said if you remember way back before on HN1 showing more (which you also made many points of too like MITH representation), like in HN1 that shows that Mya was meant to die in roller coaster. Even the whole thing of it being a roller coaster ride showing that tragedy happening throughout the story like the amusement parks and attraction bringing pain, trauma, suffering, and tragedy to people. Impacting the in horrible ways.

[dusty trench]

And not even just that but the other parallels like the many Mayak incidents and storm stuff, park tragedies. like the next park tragedy and Mayak incident we are going to see in S3.

[ripe berry]

👍

[dusty trench]

You know what’s crazy. I had a theory on time impacting the whole story before, but it wasn’t finished. But learning stage play it fixed that for me, and added on a ton more and adding into perspective too. Idk if you remember but it was a while ago, in older discussions.

[ripe berry]

it definitely saved you a lot of work
I think every now and then someone would suggest the idea of time loops, but I'd say stage play theory was the first published attempt to connect everything using it

[dusty trench]

Yes for sure

[dusty trench]

And also while Beatrix isn’t dead, she is still like an angelic symbol. And this can add more onto Beatrix being a puzzle master. She is trying to free Quentin in HN2 while cult is leading him to death, is Guest is wanting him for his goals. Beatrix is trying to save him, get his mind right after getting hit in head, and impact from Mayak. Ties to something else I said about Quentin ima find it.

This, #lore-discussion message . And this #lore-discussion message .

[ripe berry]

I will say there is one instance where the Guidebook should just be ignored without hesitation no matter what
it lists Theodore and Jay Roth as younger then they actually are

Theodore's 40 during Missing Pieces according to the Guidebook (actually 52)
and Jay Roth's 36 during Missing Pieces according to the Guidebook (actually 42)

[dusty trench]

I know this sounds like crazy but, I feel like this can add onto the discussion… kinda…. Like a feeling in me just, feels it……..

I’m not kidding

[ripe berry]

?

[dusty trench]

?

[ripe berry]

Just confused on how the guidebook messing up ages could add to the discussion

[dusty trench]

The thing of, your mind losing track of time being represented through the devs sending a message. It shows the tragic events impacting characters minds even more, being stuck in Evan of those loop periods that thy lose track of time and themselves. Mr. Peterson goes mad and into insanity, he slowly drifting away from reality itself as the dark side of reality and people in the world all collide and ruin his life. Jay who would have mental anguish that his son would be kidnapped, and that he has to do what he has to do go the future to unfold. Having to take a risk or everything will break. And ex en with Trinity losing track of time, her mid being corrupted by fear. Being stuck in the past, looks track of time and fear not letting her move onto the future. Hence even Maritza depicted older than she is in AS, and even the characters at times not even just AS but the books too, being very exaggerated, and seeming more naïve. And Enzo in books being more mature, but in AS less. Ivan being the way he is at his Delroy, Finch, and many more characters. Even Quentin in ways. And the jokes in AS are comically corny on purpose at times, and some don’t fit the time period the events depict neither do cell phones. Characters even acting more unaware and younger than they actually are. This can tie even more onto the childish symbolism, and many other stuff we talked about time influencing character minds. Like today. This is another message to decipher form the devs and writers. Even if not intentional, it can be tied to later. But just another example of to the breadcrumbs being left for the future to unfold. There’s even more stuff like character reacting out of fear and not paying attention to what really going on. Or characters being blinded by hope or delusion, just for everything to collapse again. Also even the thing with Nikita talking about the year of HN3 doesn’t matter much to the main point, when we have a year for game and a story.

I believe it was intentional or partially mainly a breadcrumb left by some people with well knowledge on the lore, future plans and ideas behind the scenes, since they had time loops planned as this books teaser HE but alluded to the original story of playing as Mr. Peterson on the island. Him experimenting with loops that he trapped himself in one on accident, and he figure out how to bypass Mayak tech and how to escape it. So it proves that they had loops planned even during the plans and development of HG. Even HN WN teasing the island, and the Aaron trilogy too.

[wanton roost]

Exactlt

Besides isn't it weird that guest looked normal in 90s or maybe 80s as well

And in 2028 he looks so tall and his skin is exposed

And the voices of human pain

[copper dock]

neighbor murdered forest protectors and guest????

prob no

[copper dock]

hn3 takes place in 2031

[dusty trench]

These can tie to that

#lore-discussion message

#lore-discussion message

#lore-discussion message

#lore-discussion message

#lore-discussion message

the messages construct different theories but have a core theme of the noises Guest makes.

[dusty trench]

Not Guest

[wanton roost]

no

[copper dock]

how would you prove that

[wanton roost]

Guest isn't a forest protector he's different

[wanton roost]

Nikita said the neighbor is 85

[copper dock]

guest is an entire different creature that is non human

[wanton roost]

And we know when he was born

[dusty trench]

HN3 gameplay takes place 2028, the newspaper scene with the bonfire takes place 2031.

[dusty trench]

We don’t know that yet

[copper dock]

oohh

[dusty trench]

He can be human and creature

[copper dock]

is the newspaper like from the ending when raven brooks vanished

[dusty trench]

Yes

We can see different depictions like tales of how raven brooks gets destroyed

[wanton roost]

he's likely to have a face too in the bad ending he pulls the beak off

[dusty trench]

And then they will clear the 2000’s and 2010’s and 2020’s time period more leading up to HN3. And we’ll likely learn about how the Golden Apple company is out of raven brooks since it’s confirmed they are now outside of Raven Brooks, because the book in the beginning is by Golden Apple.

[dusty trench]

Guest reveal AS and HN3. We’ll see the human side of this darkness.

And maybe even in HN3 they will clear up AS events in game view through the newspapers, tapes maybe, missing posters, and notes aswell as other easter eggs to find relating to story in the AS and books. And in movies and books that ca take more stuff from game view and each other.

[wanton roost]

Hopefully what we know about the guest is why he has the cult outfit and where he came from

[wanton roost]

Yes likely we'd get an answer to why he looks like that in hn3 cuz why not its a big obvious change that needs to be answered

[dusty trench]

I’ve talked about that before

[dusty trench]

We know part of it. He has been running in forest and getting into situations, his clothing ripped probably from being in first running as getting into situations of some sort, as he has wood twigs on his clothing so we do get a glimpse. And I want just taking his design o was saying the story as a whole, even clearing stuff in AS.

[dusty trench]

Lemme find it

[limber ridge]

Great catch actually. Only problem is he has that watch in hide and seek and that's before the loop stuff

[dusty trench]

How is it before (And I wasn’t just talking loops really but main example so yea, but how?)

[copper dock]

there was a hn japanese themed music video in tinybuild's channel

wonder if it is still up

cuz i cant find it

[wanton roost]

We might know what happened to him in the AS but also probably not cuz I think patch 9 is after season 3 I'm guessing

[copper dock]

i found it

hide your kids from the neighbor

nvm the entire thing was a parody

[limber ridge]

I think I remember you mentioning some other possible form of time manipulation while looking through older messages.

[dusty trench]

Yea I did, I don’t remember exactly when.

[limber ridge]

Isn't hide and seek before HE which is when time loops are first properly realised by Ted?

[dusty trench]

HE he just transports kid somewhere where a loop is.

[limber ridge]

The board stuff is more related to time loops no? The infinity symbol and all that stuff

[dusty trench]

Yea, does that mean it was his first time? Also consider the clock representation in H&S and Eve other games like S&R depicting events do the past.

And H&S might be a dif loop period because of the box art.

[limber ridge]

What's on the box art?

[limber ridge]

There's a clock I guess?

[dusty trench]

Good catch. But look closer, at what’s happening. And Theo’s face.

[limber ridge]

I see

Foreshadowing, lots of it

[dusty trench]

You get it?

[limber ridge]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

👍

I believe H&S is in the same loop period as the Aaron trilogy. Or similar period, like maybe an in between. It’s leading towards the character of Mr. Peterson we see in that loop period. H&S is the look at that loop.

And, HN1 Act 2, HN1 nightmares, and HN1 Act 3-Finale are too.

[limber ridge]

Wouldn't that make Aaron's trilogy separate from Nicky's trilogy?

[dusty trench]

No why?

[limber ridge]

Since in Nicky's trilogy the family loss details are very different from what goes in HaS.

Nicky's trilogy does also like mostly line up with Aaron's trilogy except for details that perspective can explain

[dusty trench]

So apparently it was spam..

I typed the whole thing and didn’t copy and paste anything

[limber ridge]

That sucks

[dusty trench]

Ima try this strat hold on

[limber ridge]

Can you like summarise what you were gonna say?

[dusty trench]

Nicky’s point of view, vs Mya’s using imagination to cope. Nicky trilogy I believe is a fear depiction of the past, all distorting the events by fwar and trauma. As the trilogy goes on, stuff happens like the friends splitting up in an exacerbated way, and Nicky being blamed for placing robotic mannequins around town. And then, the Nicky trilogy leads to act 2 which is also a fear distorted event. As act 1 is considered the event of the past in Nicky’s minds.

[dusty trench]

Sure it’s the actual event, thy doesn’t mean things around like the environment can’t be distorted. As, the act 2 house which is same model as alpha w house is stretched to have that dreamy like stretched look to make the player feel smaller. Fits Nicky as a child, while the original alpha 2 stretch fits the size of adult Nicky. And in the Nicky trilogy events do act 1 are split up, such as Nicky running down the street in aft 1 it’s daytime, while in Nicky book trilogy it’s Nighttime and rainy. And that can add more to the storm representation and impact to characters too.

[dusty trench]

And even Nicky going into a dead end in act 1, while in the books he unlocks door immediately and finds out secrets in an exaggerated way that feels like a nightmare. Even the whole basement segment is like a nightmare. And even consider that would mean Nicky four pit stuff slowly throughout his time in basement, and we know he knows more like Franklin. And that would mean the fear nightmare side of the Nicky trilogy and act 2 are likely when Nicky is in mental facility. And even consider how in books everyone thinks he’s like crazy and we see in his view how he feels, and in AS we see in Trinity’s. Add more onto what I said about Aaron and rescue squad setting the events for the future. And that would mean that Aaron was brainwashed and regained his memories later on realizing the time period that it’s supposed to be in, because of the puzzle masters.

[dusty trench]

Alr the strat worked

[limber ridge]

What was the strat?

[dusty trench]

When it gives spam warning and not allow you to send, you can copy and paste the message and they will give you another chance later on.

I separated it

[dusty trench]

Also this ties in directly, #lore-discussion message

Shows more of fear and trauma influencing characters minds, and the control thing I talked on about. Mayak like the loops impacting characters minds.

[dusty trench]

And about this. It’s not that Mr. Peterson is just realizing loops,‘it’s that he expanded it and even figure out more about teleportation. He found out how to get contact to the area and manipulate time and space to use the Mayak tech and energy to connect why the kid had and transport them somewhere and trap them in their own loop. He thought he had full control over all this, and he can get to his dream reality. And that’s when he gains his unhinged hope. He is so excited because he now believes he can save his family. He stops caring about reality and in his his dream reality now, and he disregards safety features not realizing what he is actually doing, and after failing more and more, he is feeding for control at this point and out of fear feels he need all that power. But he realizes after Lucy’s death, that he can’t save his family so he gives up mostly, and then gives up even more after seeing the mayak tech impact the events with the loop, foreshadowing Diane’s death. The bad luck caught up to him, manipulated him into thinking that there was all this hope. His own experiments he used to manipulate minds of others, now manipulating the mind of his. Obviously the puzzle masters don’t want Mr. Peterson’s family to die, but there is consequences to actions and the story has to unfold. And that balance breaking left it uncontrollable. After that, he tries to save Aaron one last time. But after whatever happened fully to Aaron and Aaron willing to sacrifice himself in some way for the future and letting go of his father, Mr. Peterson broke.

#lore-discussion message this discussion ties in directly. Read down till you see the sentence “Because the clock is ticking.” Because that’s when discussion ends.

[limber ridge]

Yeah I have

Guess I could reread it though

[dusty trench]

If you want

[dusty trench]

Oh yea this discussion was wit you 🤦‍♂️

But yea, you get what I mean.

[limber ridge]

I was like sleeping through it lol

I did read it when I woke up though

[dusty trench]

Oh lol

[dusty trench]

Alr

[limber ridge]

I see some people who's messages you forwarded say it was likely teleportation because the kids vanished and it makes me think...
What would actually happen to them if it was just them being trapped in a time loop?

Like, without Raven Brooks being looped, as in Reset Day

How would it look like to unlooped people?

[dusty trench]

Like you mean if people entered loop who aren’t familiar with that?

[limber ridge]

I mean like if the inventor's club and only the inventor's club was stuck in a timeloop, with the rest of Raven Brooks being free.

Do they vanish? Do they just repeat the actions? Do their memories get erased?

[dusty trench]

That is a good what if question.

[dusty trench]

I feel like that would likely disappear, or be like mindless walking people around. Maybe, rebirth and transformation could connect to that.

[dusty trench]

Likely it would all, collapse.

Or they could be mindless, or seem normal. Or maybe just like mindless NPC’s, but they are trying to call for help. Maybe programmed in a way to be normal. Like by Mayak functions.

[limber ridge]

I mean when Raven Brooks is looped fully it doesn't disappear from the rest of the world seemingly, unless?

[dusty trench]

That’s what making the town disappear from the world mostly in people’s views and them not thinking of Raven Brooks much. Mayak is causing that to happen. Influencing the minds of others even outside town, to not think about the town much.

Not until later on as loop breaks more people start mentions Raven Brooks and the tales of the Raven Man and other stuff. Even Golden Apple company playing into rumors. And this ca tie to the Mayak being connected to systems in the town and expanding even more to the world as it learns from people’s miss and memories. Maybe it’s not it’s the loops, but maybe Mayak has some like, protection that’s hiding the info of town and keeping it hidden in Raven Brooks, hiding all of that date from the outside Public. This shows more of the Mayak’s evolution, and expansion. Eve as the loop breaks and Mr. Peterson begins to lose out after Lucy’s death, the investigators come to town. Because the Mayak isn’t stable rn, and people are noticing. But it gets back to being stable and everything goes back to what it was, the row being mysterious to the outside public. That’s why they don’t want anyone leaving town, they can get info out to the public. The town must stay hidden, but they can manipulate people’s minds with the system to get more people to raven brooks and suffer.

[limber ridge]

I guess it could have disappeared and the culvert Piper went through was some portal but...

I mean idk

You'd think the wall surrounding Raven Brooks also would disappear

[dusty trench]

Portals can be tied to like the transformation and rebirth too in some way this metaphorical and symbolic, and also be connected ti the tech.

[limber ridge]

Anyway, since Raven Brooks did seem to still exist with the rest of the world, and the events just repeated there it leaves two options

A. The squad just repeats their actions mindlessly.
B. The squad's memories return to before they get looped

Of course the other option is still possible

[dusty trench]

Which other option? Disappearing?

[dusty trench]

👆

You made me think of this.

[limber ridge]

Yes

[dusty trench]

Maybe in some ways, it can be all three. Depending on certain stuff that happens. As ya know the loops break characters begin to remember stuff. And remembering that stuff last moment right before your mind gets reset and it all gets looped back, ya know. It’s programmed trying to keep you contained. Not event just loops either.

[limber ridge]

Also by disappearing I mean like, them being transported to the past.
The past as in to when the loop is supposed to go.

[dusty trench]

Well yes it is being transported to the past which portals have some representation of, we have the tach to actually have that make more sense. The mind influence, the system, impacting the narrative, the balance. And a ton of stuff we have been talking about.

[stoic juniper]

What if the walls in act 2 were hallucinations by nicky

[dusty trench]

representation of him feeling trapped like who he was trapped in the Peterson residence.

[stoic juniper]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

It can be both in a way realism and show Nicky’s fear.

We know he had high fences but, was it allat. Nah. Also consider how stringy portrays it.

[stoic juniper]

Nicky's fears have always been confusing

[dusty trench]

How so?

[stoic juniper]

Like why are you afraid of the super market

😭

I know it sucks shopping but it's a super market

[dusty trench]

When he was 3 or 4 years old he was left in a shopping cart basket alone for a while.

And the Ms. Tillman store incident.

[stoic juniper]

Damn

Poor Nicky

But fear darkness Makes sense

[stoic juniper]

What is that again

I haven't watched or played hello neighbor since months

Maybe the one level in hello neighbor diaries ?

Where he pulled a prank

[wanton roost]

Yes

That's her

[dusty trench]

Him and Aaron are doing pranks in the store. One was they got an audio machine and made it play a fart noise and the connected it to the speakers to the store and they got in trouble, and the police came too (officer Keith who is cultist). Nicky and Aaron were split up from each other and Nicky’s anxiety kicked in a ton.

[dusty trench]

Yup, also from books.

[stoic juniper]

Ok good to know more of that incident

But I wanna know why hello neighbor diaries got shut down

It was an awesome game

[wanton roost]

it did?

[stoic juniper]

Yeah the studio got shutdown apparently

[dusty trench]

The game itself isn’t like shut down completely, but its in a crisis. It was partially to do with the bankruptcy and the other behind the scene incident with a leader.

[stoic juniper]

Damn

[wanton roost]

That was my first thought bankrupt

[stoic juniper]

What can they do to bring it back up

Maybe more funding

But I doubt it

Since no one really liked it as far as I know

[dusty trench]

They plan a kickstarter for AS to support AS and the franchise so they can continue with more plans such as more time, the books, and game stuff. Aswell as the movie and AS.

[dusty trench]

And they should put HND on all platforms, connect to to HN1 more.

[stoic juniper]

Yes

But it's supposed to be mobile exclusive

I think they said it themselves

[wanton roost]

I really want more of nickys diaries tbh

[dusty trench]

Yea but it shouldn’t. They always tested game in HN1 mobile, why not on all.

[wanton roost]

we need the like waking nightmare and buried secrets version

How about hello neigjbor aaron diaries

That'll be cool

[dusty trench]

Nd S2 events in Nicky’s mind more, expanding on the mental facility.

[stoic juniper]

Aaron diaries sounds like a ripoff

😭

[dusty trench]

I actually came up with that a while ago

[wanton roost]

It would still be a bit cool cuz idk anything ab the aaron trilogy books

[dusty trench]

Lemme find it

[stoic juniper]

Me neither

I haven't read any books at all

[wanton roost]

nickys diaries is the entirety of book 1

[stoic juniper]

So no need to read that ?

[wanton roost]

Emilous is making a video of book 2 nickys trilogy I recommend you watch it when it releases in Feb 14

[wanton roost]

Nope you can just wait for more emilous book videos

[stoic juniper]

Ok nice but what else

[wanton roost]

That's all ig entirety of missing pieces book is nickys diaries

[dusty trench]

#lore-discussion message

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HNND HNAD

[wanton roost]

And if u know what happens there

U can wait for the next part in emilous channel

[stoic juniper]

Ok

I wonder what happens after season 2

[wanton roost]

It would be very cool the entirety will probably be at the gaap or basement

Or neighbors house

I have no idea I didn't read it lol

[stoic juniper]

But I think I know what season 3 is about

First Mr Peterson got out of prison

[wanton roost]

yes

Go on..

[stoic juniper]

Second Trinity got Locked up in the same prison by Mr Peterson

I feel like ep1 will be about finding Trinity

[wanton roost]

Then escapes either by someone or the bars cuz they're bent

[wanton roost]

Nah I doubt they will they lost hope for her

I mean maybe it could happen

[dusty trench]

Maybe they disappear by they get taken while in loop. Like transported somewhere, or taken to Mayak, somewhere.

[wanton roost]

Nickys friends left him in the books then saved him from.tbe basement

[stoic juniper]

But it would be weird not trying to find a missing kid

[dusty trench]

They lost hope for each other.

All of them.

[wanton roost]

True

[stoic juniper]

They are split

[dusty trench]

Police would find her.

[stoic juniper]

But the teasers show that they are back

[wanton roost]

She isn't actually missing tho

[dusty trench]

Because they get back together

[wanton roost]

They can easily find her

[stoic juniper]

So maybe ep1 is going to be about them being back

And finding Peterson

[stoic juniper]

Yeah ig

[wanton roost]

I'd say they'd just try and stay away from him

and focus on the cult

[dusty trench]

Lemme find my theories on S3, and just ideas on how it can work nice in just 5 episodes.

[stoic juniper]

That could be possible but Trinity is NOT going to let Peterson just slide

[wanton roost]

I'm pretty sure she knows his goal

[dusty trench]

They would try not to focus on any of it

[stoic juniper]

They still aren't in good terms

With each other

[wanton roost]

Trinity was going to be in good.terms until theo locked her

[dusty trench]

But they get dragged in evade of fear and trauma, also sadness.

[stoic juniper]

Honestly based AF Peterson

[wanton roost]

She's js scared of him abs theo thinks she's blocking his way by stupid kid plans