lore-discussion

[safe charm]

It should be but idk how

[brittle olive]

The new guest lore will probably explain previous lore bits somehow like the guest being teh neighbor in Gn2

[safe charm]

Either way i rather want hn3 to connect with gn2 and rd then hn2 if i had to chose

[brittle olive]

Same

[safe charm]

The town do get evacuated in graphic novel 2 because of a flood and a storm

[brittle olive]

Im starting to think the same thing

Either this explanation will make perfect sense and tie everything together or just destroy the lore completely

[safe charm]

It Will problaby just not Tie into what the Books established and ignore it entirely

I bet that Will be the case

[brittle olive]

Maybe the guest lore being rewrittemn is the reason we didn't get anymore books after reset day

They know it wouldn't make sense with the new lore so they just decided to not continue piper's story

[willow depot]

I hope it'll still get revealed

[brittle olive]

I don't think it will but we can hope

Maybe the piper trilogy was supposed to end the story? (I doubt it but who knows)

[lone hatch]

Solve it? You don't know?

And no, not talking about the multiple guests analogy

[willow depot]

I doubt

Guest will even show up

in season 3

because so far the information we got is that it's featuring Hello Engineer, Ted getting revenge on the cult to some degree, and the mayak

[lone hatch]

He is confirmed pretty much to be

[willow depot]

maybe the mayak but

shrugs

[lone hatch]

For instance, Alex said "we love what we will do to the guest in the finale of the series"

[willow depot]

oh

huh

well that

pretty much lines up with my vision

because iirc the mayak is at the end as well

[lone hatch]

For some reason

They say "what is the guest" and not "who is the guest"

[eager island]

series is all about Mayak

[willow depot]

I'll enjoy "non-supernatural" Guest as long as they'll give him back his feat to set C4s

[willow depot]

speaking of, why did he need to blow up the wall again?

imagine if all the "Ted is Guest" moments are actually just about Franklin in the Guest suit looking too similar to his brother

[brittle olive]

Wdym "you don't know"?

Literally no one knows it for sure

[brittle olive]

That's basically what i was thinking

[brittle olive]

Good question

He probably blew up the mayak too due to the explosion or smth

[willow depot]

I can see that happening

because otherwise

he's blowing up a wall that we were gonna destroy anyway

[eager island]

i don't think we can get anything out of HGP

[willow depot]

just poking fun

[brittle olive]

I mean it's not like it matters anyways

That probably didn't even had any significance in the lore cuz it was a placeholder

[willow depot]

I really wish

tinyBuild would give us access to more development builds

where gigantic explosions caused by improvised explosive devices are used as a placeholder

[brittle olive]

Same

[pale urchin]

I need to ask nikita on what was his motivations to make the unreleased builds scripted like the prototype and the older version of the pre-alpha (the ai rundown version of pre-alpha) and other builds

[crude dew]

and yet we know NOTHING about it for four years

also, you guys slowly go insane from this guest sh, thing is that they did scrap multiple storylines (HG Guest, hn2 alphas guest, possibly the nonsense that was gn2, hopefully the hnvr ending) that some of you still consider current. “Everything is canon” should not be taken this strictly in terms of taking every detail, plus we need one puzzle piece to understand, how everything was meant to be canon. If there is no multiverse and there is no “ reset the save and replay” in the picture, then idk how is it even possible.

[old glacier]

Someone said time loops playing differently each time and that Is genuinely the only thing that makes sense to me now If mayak Is involved

[crude dew]

then that would be a laame excuse. Really lame. Considering we had error world level stuff, where the Neighbor was fully aware of him being in a game, which eventually resets are replays

[old glacier]

error world had potential to be connected with neural network since you like upload it to the net in hn1

is it even considered canon
it isn't even in all the versions of hn1

jus pc

[eager island]

wait

error world is canon?

[crude dew]

alex once said on reddit that it was.
And yeah, all i see are missed opportunities…missed good options…im also more than certain that mayak’s purpose changed since 2020, i just have this feeling

error world didnt only help the neighbor escape. It confirmed that they are aware (with player) that they play roles, as if they were actors. This way, HN’s storylines are all valid and acknowledged. And Nikita said in O server once, that HN is the journey itself, not just the final release version

[eager island]

i could never make sense of error world

[crude dew]

it has a deep meaning for sure

[eager island]

i thought it was just an easter egg

[crude dew]

nah, it was in fact well prepared in earlier builds already

i would say that hn’s got two main storylines in the final build

[eager island]

can you briefly explain what error world means?

[old glacier]

the ai is sentient

[crude dew]

just what i said. Neighbor, ever since the alphas, is aware of that he is in a game, that he is an AI they keep pulling on strings. and he is very tired of changes, so he wants to escape from it. He asks the player’s help to do so. Fourth wall breaking.

ofc i was insanely mad that this entirely evaporated from hn2, this shouldn’t be smth they just erase

[old glacier]

they just erased everything built previously in hn2

not just error world

[crude dew]

true

[old glacier]

fnaf help wanted

[crude dew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720318918165659779/1101154460924907650/AAASCROLL-1.gif

[crude dew]

yeah lol

[muted moon]

in gn2 ted wasnt buff

[brittle olive]

Would be cool if every HN mainline game got it's error world

I can imagine the guest being some sort of virus

And the HN 2 neighbor being a different one

From the first error world

[grim pecan]

I like the idea of how in hello neighbor, Nicky in the final battle is protecting himself from his fears literally.

[brittle olive]

Same but it could've been executed so much better

The main problem with hello neighbor 1 is it's execution

[crude dew]

that was until you figure out that originally he was protecting his very own father, and freeing his soul. which they cut entirely.

[last pond]

That would've been such a cool plot twist, why do they ruin everything 😭

I know he was also the devil

But then Mat Pat solved it

I guess we'll never truly know

Yeah so mat Pat solved it after that

[dry patio]

Ewww father and son story

[last pond]

No it sounds pretty cool

[last pond]

It would also probably mean that it was going to be a stand alone game with no sequals

[eager island]

no

hide & seek was already planned from the first game

[last pond]

What I'm saying is that with the father-son story they couldn't really follow it up

Maybe a prequel on how they got seperated

But how would they even do a sequals with that story

Guess they did

But it must have been just after the beta because the pre-release on Xbox had the new story

[eager island]

they decided to change the story in August

they announced that the game was delayed while beta 3 was being released

[last pond]

Maybe

[eager island]

https://youtu.be/FCduSfzRS2g?si=VEjfGH5UWgTvokxF

its not leaked

it was included in the beta 3 mod kit files

[last pond]

Completely different, might have still had parkour though with janky movement, and also act 3 house, but at least it would have been less buggy

[eager island]

its #throwback-discussion btw

[last pond]

Yeah, but tiny build probs didn't influence it

[last pond]

It was probs dynamic pixels

[eager island]

i don't know when the books were thought of

it was originally planned to be non-canon

it is planned to be something inspired

[eager island]

before h&s

it was most likely developed around the same time as h&s

[safe charm]

The Books imo salvaged hn1 story

Like made it actually good and intresting imo at least

And Peterson was turned into a proper villian again instead of a tragic family man

An example he actually felt scary unlike hn1 while he was at times creepy in it i mostly just felt sorry for him obviously not justifying what he did

[crude dew]

above is the prime example of people judging something they know nothing about, basically

[crude dew]

books were written at the same time the games were made, so first trilogy was written during HS times (separately, I'd say)
and the second trilogy was written during HGP -- HG -- early HN2 times. I'm making a HN2 lore video and it just adds up perfectly

[brittle olive]

Tbh they should have just delayed it to 2018

Nope, Nikita confirmed that he was the devil

In HN 3 discussion

I'll try to find the screenshot

[eager island]

wait a sec

[brittle olive]

The "we" is a typo btw

Disagrew

Current lore is way more interesting

[eager island]

yeah

[brittle olive]

True

And storytelling

[hazy grove]

hi

[eager island]

hi

[crude dew]

can people stop judging things they don't know much about

[last pond]

what?

[crude dew]

not you

[brittle olive]

What the hell

[brittle olive]

?

What happened

[little lodge]

Wait so have we all kind of agreed Franklin exists in the games, Peterson’s Stick Together happened in the games, and The Guest is an ancient curse that possesses his body and manifests on people’s fears, or is there still other beliefs? If so, what?

[brittle olive]

Obviously he is

The rest is speculation

[crude dew]

no. Franklin was added in the AS and stays in the AS. Me and the homies are denying his existence🙌

especially bc i know for a FACT that Neighbor was origiinally an only child. And then he had a sister and a big family in the books that neglected him entirely. So like, he has a different family lore everywhere

[little lodge]

But why? It just over complicates things by pushing the different timelines to the maximum? I get there are some inconsistencies that just CAN’T be explained, but why should we use this to try and deny every bit of evidence we get?

I think people just need to accept the story can change and go in different directions

Just because something new has been added doesn’t mean it’s a retcon and it has to be in 20 different Mayak splits and whatever the hell the time loops are about

[little lodge]

Also where did we learn he was an only child from?

[jade cargo]

Quentin might be a Peterson

Also B. Pie might be Beatrix from Hello guest

[old glacier]

no

[jade cargo]

Why

[old glacier]

because in every iteration of quentin he was never a peterson
and beatrix is just his sister

[jade cargo]

How do you he isn't? Btw, where did you get the info that Beatrix is Quentin's sister?

[old glacier]

patch 9 newspaper

[jade cargo]

Where is it?

[old glacier]

in beatrix's grave

[jade cargo]

And where's that grave?

[old glacier]

to the left of church

[jade cargo]

Oh, in the forest...

I'm gonna look there

[jade cargo]

Well, they could be step brothers

I can't find the grave, everything is so dark

[old glacier]

it's the only grave in the church that has 3000 camera monitors around it

[crude dew]

not even a flower on smiths grave..

this will CHANGE😡

[jade cargo]

I can't find the grave, everything is so dark

[jade cargo]

I'm next to a TV that has coffee cups around it

[crude dew]

thats it

[old glacier]

he's not in that grave anymore anyway

[jade cargo]

Btw is the raven here? Or it disappears after you complete the area?

[jade cargo]

Could you be more specific about the location? It's in the right side or the left side of the church? Taking the front of the church as the place where the door is

[old glacier]

you were at it bro

the tv with coffee cups

[crude dew]

wait when what why. Last time i checked the stone was just put on him?

[old glacier]

he's not in there

[burnt ibex]

From which book is that from?

[burnt ibex]

I mean, the photo

[jade cargo]

Walking nightmare

[burnt ibex]

Oh, thanks!

[jade cargo]

There's no newspaper there

[old glacier]

in the grave

[jade cargo]

I had understood that he's name isnt Smith, it's a gag, Sombrero Man In The Hat

[jade cargo]

It's almost impossible to see and impossible to read, it's too dark

[burnt ibex]

«The Waking Nightmare» was published in 2018. If Beatrix was already conceived as a franchise character back then, then that matters

[jade cargo]

She could be inspired by that detail in the book, also it would make sense that her number is covered in red if she is dead

[eager island]

its published in very late 2017

but it was being developed at the same time as h&s

[burnt ibex]

Btw... Her «Pie» surname may have some kinda connection to Gerda, who's known for her cherry pies

[eager island]

but as you said, they probably weren't even planning on a character like Beatrix at the time

[burnt ibex]

But I don't really think that B. Pie is Beatrix at all

[burnt ibex]

However Gerda and Beatrix may be connected in some other way. There are even some theories on that topic I'm too lazy for talking about rn

[brittle olive]

What if the cultists captured Beatrix and turned her into a member

[snow mauve]

Even better

What if she is DEAD

[brittle olive]

It's called character development

Best theor btw

You just solved the entire lore

[dusky turtle]

Was it ever stated when the forest protector cult was made in the lore

And what's the earliest guest doing anything 😂

A freinds making a timeline video and he's having a but of trouble

[ripe berry]

no direct statement on when
but they've existed since the town of Raven Brooks was founded (Museum indicates the town was founded in the 1930s) and potentially earlier

[dusky turtle]

I appreciate that

One thing I'm trying to work out is mr petersons parents went missing would that be before or after Franklin peterson died

Bc the weather station looks abandoned and they look scared to go there

[ripe berry]

before I'd say

[ripe berry]

(Quote from the books to prove this)

[dusky turtle]

I agree with that but it's strange how abandoned it looks

Not great upkeep 😂

[ripe berry]

no wait
running the math:
we know the research was done in ~1962-1964
Theodore is 47-51 in HNHS, which is in 1995 (originally 1996, so the statement could refer to that)
for benefit of the doubt, we'll assume 47 and 1996
1996-47 = 1949
Theodore appears to be a Young Teen when Franklin dies, partly based off him being in High School, so 14 I'd say
1946 + 14 = 1963

[brittle olive]

Damn bro you're really the hello neighbor theorist ever

[ripe berry]

however Ted's Age when Franklin dies is not concrete so it could be after

[dusky turtle]

Damn got update my script again 😭

I appreciate it bro 😂

[ripe berry]

np

and also

if you haven't heard of it
https://helloneighbor2.com/rbbarchives
password is HATCHERYWINGATE in all caps
it has some more lore details in it

[dusky turtle]

Appreciate it man last question do yk when arron and mama was born

Or roughly around

[ripe berry]

According to the Missing Posters seen in the book Buried Secrets
Aaron is 13 years old in 1996
Mya would be 11 in 1996 had she not died

[dusky turtle]

Theo and Franklin where lured too the weather station by bullies and ended up in a dangerous area where Franklin fell resulting in Franklin petersons death... the bullies flee as the area Franklin fell begins to glow purple and his shadow begins to contort traumatising theodor...

Don't mind my spelling lol

[ripe berry]

(I personally believe this article about Gerda going missing on the rbbarchives site is a year after Franklin's Death)

[dusky turtle]

Wrong chat sorry

[ripe berry]

and by tracing this back this is also the earliest reference to the Guest in the canon (this paper is also in a package sent to Youtubers with a image of the HN2 Alpha 1.5 Trick or Treaters, which, while Alpha 1.5 is non-canon, indicates the Trick or Treaters in canon are kidnapped by the Guest, especially since it's confirmed the Alpha 1.5 Trick or Treaters are a evolution of the HGP Ride people who in the story of Hello Guest Prototype break into the Mayak and get attacked by the Guest, 2/3 being Guest makes it more likely the current version is also the Guest's doing)

this should also answer the other question you proposed about the first thing in the timeline the Guest did

[dusky turtle]

Your the goat man a huge help

[dusky turtle]

WAIT hello engineer is fully cannon that's not true right?

[ripe berry]

most of Hello Engineer is within the kid's imagination
so they aren't really building those giant cars and stuff

only real bits are the Cutscenes at nighttime (minus Final Boss) and the Sandbox Mode
however the rest can be used to gather background lore to help explain things like the Sandbox Mode or what Ted's doing/trying to do at the park

[dusky turtle]

Good glad I'm right abt that lol the timelines a collab project and he said that it really happened i said it probably happend but its exaggerated bc there kids

We haven't got any subs or anything or even a video lol but do u want a shout out or smt you genuinely been so helpful

[ripe berry]

If you want to, I don't really mind if you don't

[dusky turtle]

The least I can do I've bugged u abt hello neighbor lore for a while 😂

[muted moon]

the devices are also possibly ancient, so maybe another similar cult existed prior to the ravens

[crude dew]

oh how they kept reusing that 3 kids plot element over and over
it was used...5 times so far
and all 5 times is different plot-wise
HGP, books, HN2 a1.5, HN2 final, cartoon

[burnt ibex]

Fr

[burnt ibex]

If she survived, then most likely cultists did so

[burnt ibex]

How else can the fact is she survived in a normal condition be explained? Like, she was clearly locked up somewhere, while being in someone's "care".

[willow depot]

in the unused HN2 cutscene Quentin got stolen by the cultists and left in the candle room yet the Guest came, looked at him, then just cut the rope and left as if he's some picky eater, letting Quentin go without even being stopped by guards of any kind it seems

so that kind of thing just

CAN happen

lol

that's to say that the Guest might've taken Beatrix himself with trouble along the way, I mean we know just how much of a fighter she is in HG, so

[burnt ibex]

Fr

[brittle olive]

Yeah no

The guest is certainly more powerful than her

[willow depot]

You underestimate the children of Hello Neighbor.

[brittle olive]

Maybe the cultists got sone trouble with her if it was them whi kidnapped her, but even then we've seen they're extremely agile

And dangerous

[brittle olive]

I do cuz they're weak and ugly

[willow depot]

Again, they just left Quentin in the room, and he even got to burn the rope a little before Guest arrived

[brittle olive]

Ted clears

[brittle olive]

If it wasn't for the guest he would have died right there btw cuz the fire would spread

[willow depot]

they might be great blackmailers and good at putting bags over people's faces/knocking them in the back of the head while they're not looking butt they just left the guy alone there

[eager island]

its not unused

[willow depot]

Thinking about it now, though

Young Beatrix vs Maritza who wins

[willow depot]

Well you get what I mean

[eager island]

it was one of the WIP cutscenes that will be in patch 10 / act 2

but its probably scrapped

[brittle olive]

Is the crowman shelter also part of patch 10 or just scrapped

[eager island]

🤷🏻

[brittle olive]

Tbh at this point i think everything we saw until this point is either just scrapped or got completely reworked

Because patch 10 is taking too long

[eager island]

yeah

[brittle olive]

I feel like they just restarted development

Which is sad

[brittle olive]

I don't trust him tbh

But if it's true then good

That could mean patch 10 is filled with alot of content, possibly way more than we throught

[eager island]

why

[brittle olive]

I don't trust tinybuilds overrall

[old glacier]

patch 9 took 5 months and it had 0 content

[snow mauve]

other than the birb

[old glacier]

what i said

[snow mauve]

You said what I said

:>

[brittle olive]

Well cuz the stuff that was supposed to be in it was reworked into what we got or scrapped

[old glacier]

crowman shelter has been a thing that was worked on ever since like before the release of the game

[snow mauve]

maybe scwapped

[brittle olive]

Yeah

We don't know if it was scrapped

[old glacier]

sucks to suck i guess

[snow mauve]

I mean I don't mind it too much

I just hope the story expansion is good

[brittle olive]

Also crowman shelter is HN 2 alpha 1 but better

[crude dew]

they successfully added an AI that is unbearable. Like im legit not wasting my time on guest. I wish this AI part was rather given to all the existing AI’s because they are still dumb, and you know we are cooked when even I am saying this (I think the prev games’ AI is ok and i didnt really criticize it before)

[brittle olive]

Tbh i think they should add back the old stalker AI the guest have

The patch 9 AI could be tweaked and added as a rage mode for him

So if the guest gets pissed at yo he just starts running around like crazy and trying to kill you

[dusky turtle]

what year dose hn1 take place

[eager island]

1996 act 1/2
2017 act 3/finale

[dusky turtle]

it ever said what year nickyh escapes?

[eager island]

2 months after act 1

[steady nest]

Heheh the story expansion heh

Man do i have news for you

[snow mauve]

Canceled all thanks to hn3

Yep I know..

[jade cargo]

What if patch 10 are the friends we made on the way?

[little lodge]

Random observation, isn't the plot of the Island basically the base plot of Fortnite?

[shell gull]

If you’re talking about the Original Idea for HE then no it was supposed to be a Survival Thing.

[little lodge]

Well, they're both pretty similar, a survival scenario on an island with time loops

[lone hatch]

How's 1996+19 = 2017?

[eager island]

i don't know where you got the information that Acts 1 and 2 were 19 years before Act 3

But in the books, act1 takes place in 1996

maybe it's different in games because it says on a milk carton that it was maded in 1997

[lone hatch]

Books says that?

[eager island]

in the books, Nicky comes to town in the summer of 1995, and the Buried Secrets chapters, where the events of Act 1 take place, takes place in 1996

[lone hatch]

I asked if any of that is mentioned directly

[eager island]

i think it was confirmed in a reddit qna that it was in 2017

[eager island]

nothing is directly conveyed in the books

[brittle olive]

Peak

[brittle olive]

There was also going to be a replica of Raven Brooks, gaap and mayak in the island

I wonder what would've been the relevance of it in teh lore

Wish we had gotten that version of HE tbh

[crude dew]

Nikita said on reddit

[crude dew]

even the hn2 beta guest was better (you can summon him) once he spots you, he will just jog after you and eventually catch, unless he is stuck…but this…ugh..thing is..no

[brittle olive]

Yeah new guest sucks

[little lodge]

Nikita confirmed it

[brittle olive]

Yes

We should be glad it was never implemented

Cuz neural network has no limits

At first the idea of an AI that learns from you're every move sounds cool

Until It starts to glitch the game just to get to you

What?

I don't understand what you're saying

[crude dew]

(flashbacks…) NN would have been more unexpected i think and they wanted to play safe in the end, but thats just a theory. It was already added in early hn2, guest can learn from you. So like..they took it out

i have a personal theory that peterson became too smart with NN hehehe

[muted moon]

its just older church ai in placeholder mess

[muted moon]

there was some work on it before patch 9 released, but after patch 9 released (until the final patch 9 hotfix) there was no work on it at all

[muted moon]

crowman shelter placeholder mess became church
catacombs became tunnels
abandoned town is still part of act 2, based on forest photo teasers

so the current act 2 locations we know about are forest and abandoned town

[brittle olive]

That kinda sucks

The crowman part

Cuz it looked cool

[brittle olive]

The tunnels are probably still part of it im pretty sure

And it's also probably still the start of act 2 because it wouldn't make sense for us to spawn in the middle of the forest after getting knocked out

Unless we wake up in the museum and have to go to the forest

Which wouldn't make sense

[ripe berry]

we can't even be sure about abandoned town since it was a snapshot from the October 2023 development time

[brittle olive]

We can actually

Because it wouldn't make sense to not have it

Unless the devastating storm that hit raven brooks happened after HN 2

[ripe berry]

you're referencing HN3 right?

[brittle olive]

No

I mean abandoned town

Cuz the storm hit it

Im pretty sure

[ripe berry]

and there's no evidence of a storm in HN2 Act 1

only evidence for it is HE (which can be explained away)
and SN (which... is SN...)

[brittle olive]

Act 1 happens before the storm formed so obviously

[ripe berry]

and the plot we are aware of at one point in time for HN2

[brittle olive]

The storm might have formed during act 2

[ripe berry]

we dunno anything about the current plot for HN2 past Act 1

[brittle olive]

Yes but it's the most likely answer

[ripe berry]

most likely doesn't mean garenteed

[brittle olive]

Never said it did

But It's possibly

[ripe berry]

but what I was saying is we can't be sure that abandoned town is still a part of HN2 anymore

sure, it logically makes sense for it and tunnels to be in the update
BUT it's not confirmed since we don't got any finalized proof of it

Forest only is "confirmed" since it's actually already fully in the game

[brittle olive]

I think HN 2 act 2 goes like this:

• Quentin wakes up in the catacombs or tunnels
• quentin escapes the tunnels (storm is forming)
• forest section (the patch 9 ending could possibly be a placeholder unless the catacombs section happens after)
• abandoned town

[brittle olive]

That would suck way too hard

[ripe berry]

actually

forest is the end of Act 2

[brittle olive]

?

So

[ripe berry]

files call the Forest Ending Act 2 Ending

[brittle olive]

Act 3 starts with teh catacombs or smth

[ripe berry]

so Abandoned Town technically is Act 3 under this
(I know I sound like a 🤓)

[brittle olive]

That sucks even more im going to be so fr

[ripe berry]

I personally believe it goes
Catacombs - (Storm forms during this segment)
Abandoned Town
Forest

[brittle olive]

Yes that makes sense

We probably escape through the mayors fountain

I think act 3 is the mayak only

[ripe berry]

Crowman Shelter, if it still exists, would occur between the Catacombs and Abandoned Town sections and be when the storm forms instead

[brittle olive]

Makes sense

After that the guest goes after us through the forest

For act 3, i think It's going to be the gaap (extremely unlikely) and the mayak

[ripe berry]

(only reason Abandoned Town is directly before Forest is bc the Forest Map is actually intentionally designed to become linked to the Town)

(like straight up relative to the city the Forest Map's Tunnel cuts off where the Town Map's Tunnel picks up)

[brittle olive]

The mayak bossfight would probably be related to the storm

Maybe smth similar to the tornado bossfight of the mill

[ripe berry]

maybe

[brittle olive]

I wonder what we will have to do in the abandoned town

I think the cultists might be in it

[ripe berry]

one thing we can assume based off the images we have is something to do with generators

[brittle olive]

When i first saw the abandoned town pictures i thought it was the cultists setting everything on fire

[ripe berry]

while also being hunted by the Guest (Guest reveal trailer is in a early Abandoned Town map)

[brittle olive]

I used to think the cultists and vandals we're the same also

[ripe berry]

ok

[brittle olive]

Catacombs may have had the cultist

Either that or it's the guest again

Which would be kinda weird

I wonder how the cultists would behave, imagine they're like in the AS

[ripe berry]

you don't need to imagine!

The Crowfaces in Season 2 of the AS are cultists

[brittle olive]

Ik

[ripe berry]

oh

misread

[brittle olive]

But that doesn't mean they will behave like them

They could behave differently

[ripe berry]

(my brain read it as "Imagine (if) they are like in the AS")

[ripe berry]

yeah fair enough

[brittle olive]

I wonder what the devs are cooking for patch 10 for it to take so long

I hope it isn't development hell or smth like that

[snow mauve]

Now you just sound like guestyyy lmao

[brittle olive]

Ok that's cool

Guestyyy is very chill

[snow mauve]

Nah it's not

[brittle olive]

Yeah it is

[snow mauve]

God no

You two are so related

It's killing me

🫨

[brittle olive]

We just share the same tastes

[snow mauve]

And both kinda annoying.. (tho guestyyy has it's better moments)

[brittle olive]

👍

No idea why you don't like me but whatever

I don't care about you anyways

[snow mauve]

Awesome

[brittle olive]

Yeah awesome

Glad you find me annoying too

[snow mauve]

God damn the yap is still going

Holy shit

Find something else to do..

[brittle olive]

Hate is always the answer

[snow mauve]

🫠

[brittle olive]

Lile yapping in your ears?

Nah

Yapping is my favorite activity

I yap 24/7

[snow mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/lool-gif-26008248

[brittle olive]

Yes i also like yapping to brick walls

I tell them my secrets

Hey depkis how about we yap together

Let's yap together

Yap yap

[brittle olive]

@snow mauve btw you suck so much and is potentially the most annoying person in this entire server. I think you should listen to your own advice and go do something else like getting a life for once instead of angering people with your pathetic "ragebaits", goodbye.

[muted moon]

tunnels are part of the forest

tunnels refer to the tunnels beneath the church

the catacombs (from layout v2) became the tunnels

[crude dew]

rightful critique ngl

unexpected in this channel, but rightful

[willow depot]

they could've just not worked for it for some time

I'm really curious how Ted and Aaron will come into play

IF they do

[crude dew]

im certain the Theo will suffer because thats their trend in new lore era. Maybe thats when aaron will separate, or run away, or die

to the first all i can say is, if you (as in general) torture ur oc too much, people will just stop believing things. They might get angry, even

[willow depot]

I mean seems like AS S3 will have him doing revenging on the cult which hopefully will go well

and it is apparently before HN2 so

suppose it's not entirely a streak of bad over there

[snow mauve]

Actually season 2 took place around hn2 apparently..

So it's after

[willow depot]

Well to be fair HN1 and S&R ALSO took place around HN2.

Yet come before it

A big deal about it is the cop paradox where Neith is clearly missing in AS's version of the house despite how we see by the police tape that the PD did take a look around even if it was half-ahhed

I suppose we can take into account the Mayor tape from HN2 and the police arrival video from old HN2 times where waits for them by the house and where Ted escapes on his car

That wouldn't be the FIRST time they're there

In any case whatever happened there is probably after the whole HE thing

thus putting AS before HN2

[snow mauve]

Technically S&R was BEFORE hn2 and not around HN2..

[willow depot]

so was AS

[snow mauve]

of course

[snow mauve]

Keith's spotlight got taken away by Leslie 😬

[willow depot]

I doubt that

Honestly more or less happy with the outcome

Keith gets some spotlight, Leslie does

[snow mauve]

Yeah I see that

[willow depot]

Now just to get them as a duo

[snow mauve]

Like in different medias

[snow mauve]

For AS alone I mean

[muted moon]

they dont mean the entire AS is before hn2

probably one half of s2 is before hn2, and the other half is after hn2

and maybe a few episodes are at the same time

[crude dew]

wait for it 😔

[willow depot]

...???

how the heck

can one half of s2 be before while the other afterwards

if for the entirety of the season

Ted was in the slammer

Like

???

[crude dew]

||nothing matches up||

[crude dew]

idk when will that piece get revealed, which makes everything work out and everything canon in the hn universe, but i feel like it should be revealed soon

[crude dew]

honestly? We have no idea. Everything but the smartphones are old

[muted moon]

quentin

AS doesnt line up with the games

quentin first arrived in hn2 at the beginning

so AS quentin encounter is probably the AS equivelent on the first house in hn2

[versed yacht]

Honestly I'm just gonna assume what Alex meant by HN2 happening during S2 was that Quentin's investigation started, and that's the start of the AS's HN2

[crude dew]

either quentin completely hallucinates everything in the game, or..it just does not add up. Like at all

[muted moon]

the games and the AS dont line up at all

[jade cargo]

What happened with this guy in the lore?

[willow depot]

You know why that's NOT really the case?

Because "an equivalent" of HN2 can't happen

At all

Ted's in the slammer, Aaron is heaven knows where

Quentin can just

Arrive there again, there's nothing that can go against it, lol

And Mayor on the white tape demands that the police "go back" to the house for evidence, and that they need to find Peterson immediately

Which would neatly line up with, oh, maybe the fact that he escaped his prison cell?

I see where you're coming from but it's just

Meh

Quentin's whole arc is to rescue Aaron from the museum, he can't have that arc if Aaron and Ted are gone, shrimple as that

And like, how are we supposed to take "HN2 happens during S2" for timeline placements given that HE stuff is after S2

[willow depot]

Not anything that we know of

All we know is that he's around there somewhere, making photos/tapes

No, he's not dead, whoever tells you that don't really know any better

Neither is he some missing journalist from a missing poster

We don't know what's up with him pretty much at all

[crude dew]

he was eventually scrapped and killed off. He has no role now. You can find him in the cemetery in hn2

[crude dew]

idk how to write indirectly here, but…writing-wise how the AS happened is just very weird (language difference does not help either)

[willow depot]

truthfully, yes, although it's more or less

consistent

in my opinion

[eager island]

most likely he is MJ

[crude dew]

Jackson died in 2009, guys let him go

[willow depot]

Jackson? Who's Jackson?

[eager island]

when I said MJ I meant Missing Journalist

but MJ can also be perceived as Michael Jackson

[willow depot]

OH LOL

😭

[eager island]

she was just joking

[willow depot]

I mean tbh

Saying that MJ is Smith is pretty much the same as saying that Casey Clarke is Beatrix

[eager island]

who is casey clarke

[willow depot]

this like

[eager island]

pilot?

[willow depot]

star lady who I suppose got cancelled

yyyup

[jade cargo]

Mary jane

[jade cargo]

B. Pie is Beatrix, that's my head canon

[eager island]

i'm not even sure they planned on having a character named Beatrix when Waking Nightmare was being written

[willow depot]

what the list was about again

Beatrix having "B. Pie" as a nickname sounds kinda cute actually

[jade cargo]

The could have based Beatrix in that detail of the book, also its covered in blood and Beatrix is disappeared, so it could be

[jade cargo]

Be pi e

[eager island]

i will reread Waking Nightmare when I have time

[eager island]

beatrix's disappearance joins the story with Hello Neighbor 2 Patch 9

[jade cargo]

They don't mention anything about that

[eager island]

ik

im just re-reading the Novels

i finished Missing Pieces again yesterday, I'll probably start Waking Nightmare tomorrow

[jade cargo]

And HN2 occurred after act 2, so it could be, because since walking nightmare and the end of act 2 there're only a couple months, enough to finish the investigation of Beatrix dissaperance and make a tribute for she in the cemetery

[eager island]

if Beatrix had been planned since the time of Waking Nightmare, she was not planned to disappear

[willow depot]

oh yeah that

[willow depot]

what you are suggesting is consistency in Hello Neighbor storylines

and that's pretty rare, actually

[jade cargo]

They may have change their plans, also, hello guest could show us what happened to she, the MJ attacked her

[eager island]

if another Peterson had gone missing, it would definitely be mentioned

[jade cargo]

B. Pie isnt a Peterson

[eager island]

hah

[willow depot]

Well (S)mith didn't really like

kill her or anything

[eager island]

hg isnt canon anymore btw

[jade cargo]

I know, but that event could still be canon

[willow depot]

the extended cutscene shows us that Guest appears and that a fight breaks out in which Guest ends up knocking Beatrix out with Chloroform

while reaches into his car probably to dip

and besides she'd like

[eager island]

this would definitely be different

[willow depot]

very obviously beat him up

observe

[eager island]

because Quentin says they are playing hide and seek

[jade cargo]

Also Q. Peterson might be Queting?

[willow depot]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-guest-hello-neighbor-hello-neighbor2-hg-smith-hg-beatrix-gif-21267151

[eager island]

as I said about Beatrix, I don't think Quentin was a planned character from the time of Waking Nightmare

[willow depot]

I love his face of "Ow what the heck"

[jade cargo]

Ok, but as I'd say, they may have use that detail of the book to create them, pretty much what happened with maritza and her re-desing in SN

[willow depot]

this little exchange between them in the cutscene is gold I crave more of them two

[pine moon]

what is quentins last name?

[eager island]

we dont know

but even hn2 confirms that quentin is not peterson

[old glacier]

gershowitz,,,

[little lodge]

Beatrix was shown to disappear as a kid in HN2 patch 9, which is far more reliable than the Hello Guest ending, so I doubt she would own a house phone number that Mr Peterson knows, but if we’re talking about the non canon Hello Guest lore, maybe in that universe

Also Quentin isn’t a Peterson, he’s just a random journalist

[jade cargo]

May be Peterson

[old glacier]

who comes from the Big City so zero relations to the Peterson family since they all lived in rb

[jade cargo]

Q. Peterson still here you know...

[old glacier]

there in book like two

with many retcons

[little lodge]

Yeah pretty much

[old glacier]

real quentin,,,

[jade cargo]

That's Theo's friend Ike hersawich or something like that

[old glacier]

yeah Ike Quentin Cornelius Gershowitz

[willow depot]

what if the weirdly and uncannily high amount of cancellations in our time has been caused by forest protectors luck devices

[crude dew]

there was a beatrice in the books, who played some instrument at lucy’s funeral

its like scott overusing the name Mike

[blazing kiln]

?

[last pond]

for some reason I didn't realise quentin and ike were the same, probably because he was killed in the books and it took place before hello neighbor 2, but whatever

[crude dew]

yeah he pulled a Nicky and went through 736473765 character changes. At least his model was eventually changed, which is a good thing

[willow depot]

yeahh

Ike's moustache looks weird

it looks more like he doesn't even have it in the first place but that someone drew one on his photo with a marker

lol

[crude dew]

to this day it feels like the illustrator was shown the HGP player, or maybe an early concept art of (later) HG Quentin and they traced drew this pic that way. Like if you start tracing his hair from the concept arts, it is basically the same

[willow depot]

true

I think that his inconsistency is bizarre to say the least

[snow mauve]

He is the Quentin

[willow depot]

don't get me wrong it's good to improve and frankly I really like the Quentin we have now

but it's just

so weird

[snow mauve]

Ike and Quentin hmmmm

[willow depot]

that he exists alongside his past variation

and it was never elaborated on at all

[crude dew]

yeah and imagine. Back then all we had was this one illustration. Thats why my Ike version looked the way it looked. And about Smith, all we had was the SN texture. And later someone showed the model. Oh man those times

[snow mauve]

Ike has been stomped to the ground for good reasons anyway

[crude dew]

Ike was basically just erased from the lore, sadly. Poor Theodore cannot have ONE friend fr

[willow depot]

like even just retconning Ike to be Quentin's father would be something although such a trick might seem cheap

[snow mauve]

Least he has a brother

Then he dies!

[willow depot]

Denied

[snow mauve]

Then he has a wife

Then dies

Then has a daughter

Then dies

It goes on and on

[willow depot]

Like, Ted would have beef with the son of his dead bestie, now there's some merit

[snow mauve]

Everything is canon but not in a way we think

So yes

[crude dew]

Ike was completely on his own in the books and I kinda liked it. Like he was living alone, no family, nothing.

||Maybe it could hint smth..||

[snow mauve]

That is something we will have to wait and see if it ever gets answered

I mean Nikita and Alex said this shit soooo

That's on em

[crude dew]

”everything is canon” and basically there is no multiverse. We dont know, how is it possible, but devs say it is.

[snow mauve]

It's the hello neighbor charm

Gotta keep it a mystery

[crude dew]

i legit dont care about the canon that much, but even i cannot figure out, how is it possible

[willow depot]

Lol imagine all pieces of media aren't actually what happened but just messy unreliable memories of the POV characters of said media

[snow mauve]

Canon is flexible!

[willow depot]

think like what Act 1 and 2 were to Nicky except with everything

that'd explain

a whole lot actually

[crude dew]

partly that, but like…there must be more behind all of this.

[willow depot]

Whatever it is I really hope the answer isn't some

[snow mauve]

We spit ballin

[willow depot]

weird time travel or higher powers thing or like

anything that would be outlandish

[snow mauve]

Hello engineer would like a word with you pear..

[willow depot]

just to make "everything canon"

[snow mauve]

😬

[crude dew]

what was it in fnaf? Hallucination disks. Horrible excuse that was

[willow depot]

sigh

[snow mauve]

You forgot the MImic!

[willow depot]

Oh, you know it

[snow mauve]

Faz goo

Sea bonnies!

time traveling ball bits

AR world

Animatronic fusion!

etc etc.

[willow depot]

You forgot Fazbear's Frights where this kid Andrew seemingly casually retcons Cassidy's revenging arc on William except it sounds SO DUMB that some (sane) people still look at skeptically and don't trust it

[crude dew]

basically, is anyone’s pov in hn games reliable? Kids are crossed out. VERY MUCH. Nicky is partly crossed out, even though i trust act 1 memories and im totally fine with act finale. Quentin is pretty much crossed out too.

[willow depot]

Quentin gets knocked out 4 times 😭

[snow mauve]

Andrew is separate from cassidy

so..

Two spirits

[willow depot]

He literally has NO backstory

[crude dew]

i put down the second book. But ik whats up

[willow depot]

and not that it wasn't TOLD to us but the excuse is that HE FORGOT!!!

[snow mauve]

Willie stabby stabby him

Is that not enough?

[crude dew]

yeah plus Nikita hinted the yellow journalism, basically hn2 alphas dont happen the way you saw them lol. And i think same is the case with the final release

[willow depot]

not really because William's stabby stabby sprees ended circa late 80s and I want to know what this "character who totally was was there" was doing for like at least 30 years

Fazbear's Frights are just completely unreliable because it feels like whoever wrote them was making up new identities for characters we already knew on the spot

okay enough about that

[willow depot]

You can pretty much say that nobody's pov is reliable

even for Ted you can say that he's just old

and can't remember certain things from his life

[crude dew]

some things dont need to be explained. Im on that side. For example in fnaf it was enough for me that PG killed because he killed. No reason is needed. But scott is a bit deep down in his own lore document nonsense, whatever their next game will be, it will retcon smth. But hn? HN did not really have any plotholes while Nikita wrote it.

[crude dew]

nooo dont give him dementia😭😭

[willow depot]

Theodore has dementia that's why he doesn't take his stuff from Nicky, he forgot they were his to begin with

[crude dew]

i feel like originally HG and HN2 alphas were reliable in a way. If we got to see Neighbor pov, and we probably were going to, because there were home videos and other treats like that

[willow depot]

Theodore forgot he's against the cult and the Guest so he dresses up as him

[willow depot]

yes

I really miss HG and HN2 alphas even though apparently they weren't ideal, their issues were more or less fixable at least the ones that we know of

[crude dew]

bc if u think about hn2 final release…many things are…uh..odd. And not just the dreams, those are dreams

[jade cargo]

But Ike is dead

[crude dew]

for example i just imagine that after knocking him out, Neighbor sees that Quentin is not moving and he’s cursing while taking him to his office and putting a bandage on his head, like sorry quentin, you are a little disaster at some point

[willow depot]

hn2 final release was odd as a whole

[old glacier]

it was nothing more and nothing less

[willow depot]

Now imagine that except he has to do it again when Quentin gets knocked out by touching a shovel and AGAIN when he accidentally photo-shoots himself with his own camera and falls asleep

because like what other explanation for that is there

I'm sure they could put those elsewhere without having to knock him out this many times

[crude dew]

where does he wake up after that? In his office? Because then Theodore did do it. Like he opened the museum door and Quentin was just there, fainted

bro unwillingly got another son to deal with

[willow depot]

HE EVEN GIVES HIM THE SON TREATMENT BY LOCKING HIM UP LIKE HE DID WITH HIS ACTUAL SON!

[crude dew]

”have fun solving this kid puzzle” Quentin: ooo shiny

[willow depot]

That's FUNNY actually because in AS Ted also says something along the lines of "Does Nicky want to come home yet? I miss my boy"

LIKE HE JUST ADOPTS EVERYBODY AND LOCKS THEM UP

[topaz drift]

Hey people,someone play Secret Neighbor here?

[crude dew]

im seriously asking, what was that. Like what was the intention there, because it is weird. I am CERTAIN it wasn’t a homage to an old storyline.

[crude dew]

#secret-neighbor

[willow depot]

Probably just him rubbing salt into the wound since Trinity was the one listening

[topaz drift]

Oh Ty 🙂

[crude dew]

HN2 is actually about Quentin fainting at places and Theodore putting him back to his office. Thats the game

[willow depot]

Theo even plays along with Quentin's little game until the finale where he actually gets real

[crude dew]

all jokes aside, the basement (if we exclude that weird door) is the safest place in the AS

[willow depot]

the basement if we exclude that weird door is probably the safest place in the whole HN franchise minus the flood times maybe, but by that point the house is probably burnt down so

[crude dew]

if you stop the final cutscene where quentin is JUST ABOUT to get knocked out, and theo is under the crow statue, originally theodore looked at quentin and the shadow, with a “ahhh shhh i have to fix this too” look. It was so funny, i had a screenshot somewhere

[willow depot]

😭

[willow depot]

Not even a cop (Keith) is willing to go through opening all these locks to investigate

and Nicky was more or less having a neat time living with Aaron in there in the books

[crude dew]

nicky and theodore must discuss this in hn3 i swear. Like hhhh

[willow depot]

alternative HN1 act 3 where instead of going to his old house Nicky finds Ted's new living space and kindly asks him if Nicky can live in Ted's basement because he got evicted

[crude dew]

i mean in the books they are kinda vibin. Nicky is kidnapped but they are vibin with an entire amusement park down there 🙃

[willow depot]

yeahh

[willow depot]

like legit, it's a maze of its own so even if something or someone gets down there to come after you, you can just hide like

anywhere

and there are even several exits too if you need to flee

like dude, legit best bunker ever

and then you have

[crude dew]

they could legit get along in the same house, if they cleared up every misunderstanding. Both of them are inventors, both of them are into exploring and investigating, they have similar personalities. They have stuff in common. Like the way Sherlock and Watson live in the same apartment or smth like that.(( Also, AS should have pulled a family plot twist lol. ))

[willow depot]

a buff man in his 50s or something making sure the door stays locked

[willow depot]

fr fr fr

[crude dew]

i feel like that basement was irl smaller, like the size of a nuclear basement, which they built during cold war era. Our basement is similar, thats why i hate the hn basement 😅

it may not be the word. Idk how they say that kind of basement in english sadly

[willow depot]

"AS should have pulled a family plot twist"

I find it REALLYYY odd that Nicky's "parents" in AS didn't do anything about the broken window or the literal like, wall scribbles that turn into fine art of a shadow spooky monster

Take that into account and the fact that during his breakdown he says that the "Whatever evil crap this town is built on" is gonna come "for your family" as if he's talking from experience (although it ended up being neat foreshadowing, too)

All that to say, given these somewhat spooking implications I really think that Nicky could probably have it better being with Theo minus all the trauma although knowing Ted he'd probably figure something out about that too

Not to be your average crackpot theorist of the week here but

y'k y'k

[crude dew]

parents are just bad characters in the AS. if it was more carefully written, I’d read something into these things, but…this way they are just bad. Like calling the psichiatry on your 12 year old son is the BIGGEST mental damage you can do (you as in general). Like trinitys parents also just make things last longer, delay the events or how to say

their scenes dont really make the plot go further

[willow depot]

People say that Trinity is a bad character although if anything she's just constantly slowed down by the baggage that is her parents

like that's the elephant in the room, don't get me wrong, throwing Nicky back into the basement is bad and all but

[crude dew]

nah its totally fine. 🙌 Ngl I wrote an AS plot myself (two, actually) if it ever becomes a video on my channel, many things like nickys parents will make a lot of sense. But that will be just a fan script.

[willow depot]

it probably wouldn't get to that point if her parents wouldn't ground her every hour of every day

[willow depot]

oo looking forward to that

[crude dew]

what i see is that sometimes the characters are hopping on a very good vibe, like they are written well in xy scene, just to be slapped in the face. Like Theo is written well MANY times, he has banger monologues its shocking, but then at the final moment, he turns ooc as hell and your excitement about the scene is gone. Hard to explain😅

[willow depot]

I get you actually!

Like even take the one time he tried to grab Trinity from his cell when she figures out the coin thing

like ok bro what if you'd actually grab her

[crude dew]

plus yeah they ground her every day, but it is unclear, why exactly bc we have no idea what happened in shelbywille. The books start with Nicky having an origin story with moving from state to state

[willow depot]

what would you do

you're still locked inside

dingus

[willow depot]

yeahh

[crude dew]

exactly, i mean that exact scene

also, how can trinity just walk in to that prison this many times, its not that its unhealthy, its that they wouldn’t let her in

[willow depot]

it's implied she keeps sneaking in

like 😭

I loved Season 2 but I feel like it's just

[crude dew]

but they yell at each other, there is no way leslie is not waking up

[willow depot]

prolonging the inevitable way too much

[muted moon]

also theres literally no other prisoners besides ted

its just him

[willow depot]

like I'd expect Ted to break out at any point but it just doesn't happen

[willow depot]

yeah

[crude dew]

ah yes the filler seasons.. i mean the whole Nicky trilogy is circa 100 pages without the fillers, so

[willow depot]

even I end up being surprised at how long he's spending his time in prison

[crude dew]

usually the actual plot begins around page 128

[muted moon]

why didnt he just bend the bars

he can clearly do it based on this scene

[crude dew]

i swear he could just bend the bars and walk out, but hes like “what to do lol i gotta wait for the plot to progress”

[willow depot]

like I mean I love how grounded it is that he's not making some bomb out of trash and a fork or something but like

He's just not doing anything at all

and in the meantime the inventors club just keeps constantly shifting between "We're so back" to "It's so over"

it has been just

so depressing for the gang

[crude dew]

yes, that too. Everyone else is just an angel in that town

[muted moon]

also, theres no way its legal to build like 7 or something stories onto your house

and a rollar coaster

[willow depot]

I complained about this already but I can't get over how there's just

no pay-off whatsoever

[willow depot]

I mean who's gonna stop him, he beats 2/3 of the entire police force with bare hands

they can't even hold him at gunpoint

[crude dew]

gentle reminder that he just casually made bombs in HGP 🥰 blud was put on the shelf in s2 its obvious

[willow depot]

It's actually incredibly ironic considering there's an evil crow man running around eating kids with its beak or something and a whole cult worshipping the former

[willow depot]

real

[muted moon]

and then blew himself up...

[crude dew]

it shows how corrupt their system is. Those who should be in prison, are in the lead. In Books and AS too

[willow depot]

I know they have a cultist for mayor but like come on there's gotta be someone (aside from Smith pepper-spraying Guest and a bunch of journalists) in law enforcement actually doing their job

[muted moon]

in books there was a reason they actually managed to get away

they manipulated luck in their favour

[crude dew]

it would be so funny to have smith in prison. No reason, he is just there. Like Big in Sonic Adventure 2

[willow depot]

the more days pass the more I believe that the town isn't half-abandoned by HN3 times because of a flood or some disaster but because there has been a revolution started by the Raven Brooks Banner (the only people caring about order in this town) against the office of the mayor at the end of which everybody died

[crude dew]

yeah and then theo said “enough” and single handedly stopped the cult

[muted moon]

they managed to continue existence

they were in reset day

[willow depot]

I hate that

[crude dew]

bruh. Cant have a nice day 🚪 🚶‍♀️

ngl this whole plot…where was it going anyway

With the cult

[muted moon]

hn2 was going to explain reset day, gn2, and everything

[willow depot]

but nope

[dull smelt]

Hn2 is still left unfinished

[crude dew]

ok but like. Cult kills everyone in town. Gets lucky. And? They do a world tour?

[willow depot]

this is one of my biggest issues with the cult because like

every second citizen is in the cult

like at one point it's just them

what do they do at that point??

[crude dew]

yeah they would end up eating each other (not literally…or who knows)

[dull smelt]

Oh yeah, I thought the cult only consisted of just the small group of friends, but with them expanding to literally almost everyone is in the cult, the story doesn’t add up anymore

[muted moon]

book cult was smaller

[willow depot]

I'll just go to the HN universe with a gun and shoot down all the cult members

"Luck device this luck device that", a bullet travels at a speed of 784 mph and I have 17 of them

[crude dew]

at least books has that anti-cultist team, which was … fine ig

[crude dew]

i got to hate some characters with the speed of sound in newer media. Its actually crazy. I liked every character around the time of HS/HG

[willow depot]

yeaahh

[muted moon]

also, how the heck was AS cult going to cover up a group of kids all dying at the same time

[crude dew]

plot😉 (never got explained)

[willow depot]

there was just something really enjoyable about the HG cast

I like the HN2 guys but the HG cast just

hits home I suppose

because like that's the type of people I see outside lol /hj

no in all honesty

they're just

peak

[crude dew]

yeah like. Mayor points at Quentin who just arrived and his van that is falling apart. “It was him” and everyone just believes that??🤔

[dull smelt]

Well, he is the trustworthy mayor, gotta believe the politician 🙂

[willow depot]

Like this is a silly dork who I love

[crude dew]

yeah, hg was very well put together, already the alpha showed enough about the characters to spark interest. I will NOT get into HN3 characters until they are not 100% finalized to be in the game, because I love the HG cast to this day, so much, part of my soul was left in HG

[willow depot]

these got a sense of ✨fashion✨

[muted moon]

quentin with actual personality...

[willow depot]

these are just cool and

cat.

[crude dew]

silly detective and our queen

[muted moon]

quentin in hg-hn2 beta was peak

[dull smelt]

Wait, did they cut the entire detective out of hn2? Still trying to beat the game atm

[muted moon]

in fg hes just in a coffin in the forest

[crude dew]

||yes||

[willow depot]

pretty much, he lies in a grave as an easter egg but don't jump to conclusions

he seems chill down there

[dull smelt]

Dang

[crude dew]

”thats my bed, Gershowitz”

[willow depot]

there's also his hat in the church and photos of him but like

[dull smelt]

Good to know

[willow depot]

yeah not much aside form that

[willow depot]

and, I don't know why

but I just

[crude dew]

yeah, there is a forest part (on pc) you can find some hints about him there

[willow depot]

really like Guest-Ted

like it makes zero sense but

it's just cool

[muted moon]

stuff from hg wasnt necessarily better, but it has a lot more care put into it than hn2 fg

[crude dew]

it is his long time passion. Cosplaying.

[willow depot]

yes.

[dull smelt]

Wait, they never put the forest section in the ps4 version?!

[crude dew]

eerm? Chat?

[muted moon]

they did

[muted moon]

gn2 did a good job giving it a reason

[crude dew]

yeah idk, Nico last time said that Smith is not in the grave anymore either, but last time I checked, i think he was still there?

[muted moon]

he is, its just covered now

[crude dew]

👀👀

i will die on the “smith fits hn3” hill

[willow depot]

You won't be alone

[muted moon]

mith would work well in hn3

probably just needs a couple design changes (nothing major)

[crude dew]

like it shows the quality of characters, that we STILL talk about them and still want them to…be? Like dont go into waste pls

it felt like to me, that Smith was legit the outsider newcomer in HG

[willow depot]

Changes needed for Smith to fit HN3:

• Stretch his legs bc art style (optional)

---

---

[willow depot]

Smith is pretty smart too given the fact that he's one of few to hide his identity and spectate/works from a distance

Like he's pretty much untouchable

No corrupt mayor or cop can get to him and he actually managed to 1v1 Guest/Ted(?) and come outta it in a draw

Like that's straight up something to brag about

No wonder this guy is so beloved, he's sick as crap

[muted moon]

it was pretty close, but the guest did win

[willow depot]

Didn't he run away

[muted moon]

mith starts getting in his car

[crude dew]

nah he was like “imma get you” but he was somehow stuck. I love the Bea ending sm, he was literally punched, ended up crying and was like “ok take her idc” smith is the guy who thinks he’s strong, until Neighbor just punches him and he flies off the map

https://youtu.be/s5Vgc0h8aNU?si=yd-siVv7mFImfzjM
it shows better in these, maybe https://youtu.be/moIztGyrQEE?si=Kmek9DMWqxoY6Z_1

[muted moon]

in the animation he runs over to his car and just does something to the door

[crude dew]

he gets stuck in the weirdest way possible

guest learns to fly in the meantime

[willow depot]

He still does pretty well

But like bro

His reaction to being hit in the ear by Beatrix is golden

[willow depot]

indeed

[crude dew]

he hates women so much, it screams

[crude dew]

[snow mauve]

That is so god damn based..

we need more people like them

[pine moon]

like what?

[snow mauve]

This "Smith" hate

[pine moon]

why?

[snow mauve]

It goes hard 🔥

[snow mauve]

Why not

[pine moon]

i like smith

[crude dew]

ah the lore

[crude dew]

depkis villain arc

[crude dew]

these gloves are so weird (I mean irl)
like
why is there one finger, what is the purpose?

[still current]

is the mayor part of forest protectors

[old glacier]

yes

[willow depot]

It doesn't matter because both stand for the same thing

I suppose that the "canon 🤓" name would be mith and not smith but both are valid

[eager island]

smith is better than mith

[willow depot]

Yes.

[willow depot]

I can SEE some Smith Hater

I like his design

love his dedication to the whole spy schtick

[willow depot]

also enjoy how he's not really hinted at having some

oooo super duper secret identity!!!

Despite what people keep saying

oh wow

love that guy

[muted moon]

hes caleld man in the hat

Man In The Hat

MITH

[shell gull]

Aight I’m back in Lore Dis what’s up?

[crude dew]

other than this meaning, it is the most basic name you can give to a detective who wants to stay incognito
like, John Smith is the basic name in english iirc

Smith was probably average, he just wanted to make himself look epic and special
like he's doing epic stuff in HG ending, and he is very mysteriously appearing and disappearing at places up until alpha 2, so. but that's what gives him character
and then he'd be just some dude who was observing and is antisocial

[crude dew]

he do the mimimi

[lilac beacon]

Bro got laid out

[willow depot]

oh real

[willow depot]

honestly true I find it pretty clear that he's like

super dedicated to the whole spy schtick without any reason aside from "just to"

he's a goober

[crude dew]

he's a silly man actually
like obviously perfectionist and everything has to go as he planned, and he visibly just loses his sh if something happens unexpectedly (see Guest fight)

[willow depot]

I want a rematch so bad

[crude dew]

Fake neighbor vs neighbor death battle

[dreamy flower]

[vital plinth]

[frail loom]

ayo

nah

[vital plinth]

[frail loom]

no

[vital plinth]

[frail loom]

ur boring

[vital plinth]

no you are

🐎

[lilac quiver]

New decoration for my christmas tree

[safe charm]

Ugh i hate hello Neighbor lore sometimes

its comically inconsistent at this point

[dry patio]

True

[safe charm]

They Didnt fix anything with the guest as Alex Said they did

They just made it 10 times worse by making yet another version instead of improving the guest story and lore

I Genuinely Think hn3 guest will be different from both hn2/AS and hnvr/gn2 version and it Will be yet another version

[dry patio]

I dont see a reason on why making guest not supernatural

[safe charm]

Well unless he truly never was supernatural like Nikita hinted at

Than i simply do not know because hnvr/gn2 guest is 10 times cooler over the hg alpha guest(which i like as well but still)

Search and rescue and graphic novel 2 Should still be canon and in those stories guest if for sure not just some Cosplayer

[dry patio]

Guest is menacing in hnvr and gn2

Thats one of my fav parts about that guest

[safe charm]

Yeah also most People Thats not in hello Neighbor game Thinks guest is very cool

A lot Because of his potrayal in graphic novel 2 and his powers that may not Even exist😭 at least not anymore or never did

[dry patio]

We just have to wait until s3 guest

[crude dew]

no
hopefully it'll be Nikita finally progressing the Guest HE wanted to make
not the Guest the other 10 writers made (which you call inconsistent)

[dry patio]

If its good or bad

[safe charm]

Maybe hn3 guest will end up being the definitive version

As it wouldn’t suprise me if Nikita never was able to make his version of the guest utilized in any full release media

[little lodge]

Does anyone have any timeline docs or representations (text or visual) of what they believe to be the current or relatively complete timeline?

I like seeing other takes to try and strengthen mine

[eager island]

hn timeline?

[ripe berry]

i view it as... I'm not sure tbh
but there's basically 3 timelines (even though it's all supposedly one timeline)

Games
(Hide and Seek + Hide and Seek (Launch Trailer) + Nicky's Diaries (Memories), HN1 Act 1, Secret Neighbor, HN2 DLCs, Search and Rescue, HN1 Act 2 (Actual Events), Secret Neighbor (the game's been moved around in the timeline so I put it in both spots to be safe), Hello Engineer, HN2, Layout V2 (Until Patch 10 comes out), HN2 (Forest Sidequest), HN1 Acts 2, 3, and Finale, Nicky's Diaries, HN3)
Books
(Bosco Bay, Bad Blood, Grave Mistakes, Puzzle Master, Missing Pieces, Waking Nightmare, Buried Secrets, Act 2-Finale like events occur, Raven Brooks Disaster, Reset Day)
and Animated Series
(Hide and Seek, Welcome to Raven Brooks, after this it reverts to Games Timeline but without Nicky's Diaries)
with the Movie soon to be another timeline at this rate

anyways lore stuff from HN3 Discussion was moving here SO...

Everything is still canon according to Nikita, just not the way most think

[little lodge]

That seems to make sense really, but I’m more concerned about the inconsistencies and stuff, like how Aaron is taken to the Guest World or something in HNVR but is magically back in HN2? Like, how do we explain those sort of things?

[ripe berry]

Aaron isn't REALLY taken to Guest World at the end of HNVR

or whatever

the deal made in that segment is basically more-so like the Guest being able to control Aaron Body (the dolls in HNVR the Guest/Aaron use are called VOODOO DOLLS in the files, and I think we know from pop culture what that means)

Aaron no longer truly has control over himself (links to the theory that the Guest is kinda "leading" Quentin throughout HN2 Act 1)

also-
if Aaron was TRULY gone after HNVR

then who broke the window in Act 2?
and who burned down Ted's house? (ok on second though this one may possibly be retconned to not be Aaron's doing?)

[eager island]

Doesn't Nicky dream of breaking the window

cuz

act 2 isnt real

nicky is running away directly

according to hnvr credits

[ripe berry]

Act 2 is a distorted memory

[eager island]

yeah

[ripe berry]

it still happens
just not exactly how Nicky remembers it
I view it moreso as like-
a mix of Act 1 and 2 in Nicky's Head

but either way the window thing is specific

it makes Ted stop chasing Nicky for a bit

[eager island]

but I think, as I said, as we see in the HNVR credits, Theo probably doesn't even see Nicky running away

[ripe berry]

it's a scene they even bothered to recreate in the AS despite being in another timeline

also the way Nicky is implied to escape in HNVR is a hole in the fence, just like one of the escape routes in HN1 Act 2

[eager island]

yeah

[ripe berry]

which shows info from Act 2 shouldn't just be thrown out

because HNVR also went out of it's way to align with the Act 2 Intro

[ripe berry]

they have Aaron unlock the door for Nicky to escape then immediately disappear. just like in Act 2

[eager island]

aaron is gone?

[ripe berry]

in the HNVR Ending he appears to get dragged away by (presumably) the Guest or Ted after freeing Nicky

[eager island]

ik

but

its guest ig

[ripe berry]

which some took to mean Aaron is GONE after that point

[eager island]

but he appears again in the hn2 intro

[ripe berry]

this was during the time before the everything is still canon statements

when "new lore" and "old lore" were still thought of as things

so you couldn't use HN2 as evidence because "it's a part of new lore"

[eager island]

wasn't it confirmed 2 years ago that everything is canon?

by alex

[ripe berry]

no

it was

2020 (Pre-WtRB) "Everything is canon"

2022 (WtRB S1) "Canon is Flexible"

2024 (Now) "Everything is still canon"

[little lodge]

So what about the guests origin do we think? Is he a manifestation of emotions in HNVR or an ancient curse like in HN2, if we’re assuming all games are in the games timeline, how do they work together?

[ripe berry]

Canon is flexible was just thought of as Alex saying he doesn't give a damn about the old canon anymore

[ripe berry]

the Manifestation thing was always just a theory

however
the guest itself is a problem no matter what

becuase it's apparently not supernatural

[little lodge]

Yeah

So does that mean the guest isn’t Franklin

[ripe berry]

guest doesn't make any form of sense no matter what

he's not supernatural

yet he somehow fuses with Ted in Raven Brooks Disaster

[little lodge]

That’s a problem

We thought we had a pretty conclusive identity of the guest

[ripe berry]

there's also only one Guest

[little lodge]

Until non supernatural statements

[ripe berry]

the Guest is (for lack of a better comparison) the Midnight Motorist of HN

No explanation for him feels satisfying

[little lodge]

Do you have like a doc of theories or something linking to the timeline, maybe an expanded one that goes far in different ways, just to know the thought process behind things?

[ripe berry]

I don't sadly

[cold yew]

Hi guys

I have a question