throwback-discussion

[coarse nexus]

I wanna point out how HN1 oldart, newart, and HN2 newart all feel really homely and "nostalgic", but then there's HN2 oldart which feels ruined and abandoned

it stands out so much I love how different HN2 oldart is

Idk though it's just a thought on how I'd use both of the styles

[rich kettle]

for me personally i wouldnt find hn1 old art super nostalgic however hn1 newart very

i do have good memories with hn when it was old art

[coarse nexus]

I don't mean like

actual nostalgia, just that it gives off the vibes of nostalgia

[rich kettle]

a ok

[coarse nexus]

Hello Neighbor 1 was all about that

since Alpha 2 actually but even oldart gives off the vibe that the player has been there before

that kinda nostalgia basically

and then HN3 is different like HN2 oldart is, but in the way that the player character doesn't have any memories with Raven Brooks

so it looks homely yet almost alien-like

HN artstyles are surprisingly really good at letting the player know an area is familiar to the player character

[vestal axle]

You know guys, I have been thinking about something. What do you think the basement would have looked like the devil storyline of hello neighbor?

[onyx epoch]

bad

[dusty niche]

well in the devil storyline it was only ever represented as just a bright light,

so it was less a basement and more a gateway to somewhere else

where exactly is a mystery

[vestal axle]

probably a gateway to the heaven.

[dusty niche]

it is kinda doubtful since in pre alpha it had a redish light which doesnt exactly scream heaven, and well why would the devil have a door leading to heaven instead of just not having it at all

[vestal axle]

hm i guess you are right about.

[dusty niche]

though in alpha 1 it is kinda implied, that it leads to the teaser trailer forest, on where the accident the main char has happens, so maybe there was the end goal of stopping it??

[vestal axle]

stopping it?

[dusty niche]

though that could be just the neighbor teasing you

since well he is the main reason the game even happens

as he is the one to cause the accident

[vestal axle]

hm that makes sense.

also when you said stopping it? you mean like player going back in time to stop from being crashed by the utility pole?

[dusty niche]

yea,

but well it doesnt make a lot of sense, now that i think about it

[vestal axle]

no it doesnt but i like to think that player wakes up from a coma instead.

i think that one makes sense, well at least in my perspective.

[dusty niche]

btw that the coma thing has never been implied or mentioned

[vestal axle]

that's true. but it was mentioned that the player had a near death experience.

[dusty niche]

yeah but its not exactly a coma

[vestal axle]

right, of course.

[devout estuary]

it's heavily implied the fake reality in the main gameplay is a physical location you're taken to and not something happening in your mind

mainly in that one road comic strip where we see both the player and player's car vanish from the crash site after the neighbor gets out of his own car (i interpret this as the neighbor kidnapping pmans with his freaky devil magic)

how nice of the neighbor to fix up the player's ride, by the way

[devout estuary]

i believe the exit door served as the only exit to the fake reality itself, and leaving through it would eventually take you back into the real world somewhere

maybe some kind of hub in-between area

[devout estuary]

i figure it's the only exit as the door is barricaded and locked off rather than completely removed
neighbor probably left it up so he himself could leave after you give up on escaping or die or something

[rich kettle]

how sweet of the devil tucking you into your bed after getting caught by him then waking up the next day

[snow wadi]

how sweet of the devil to have his house vaguelly reflect your life experiences and ancient fears so you could overcome them

[rich kettle]

i am sad that hello guest never happend

instead we got the dumpster fire that is hn2:/

[willow current]

bet we arleady needed sequel?

[rich kettle]

hg is also a sequel innit

[flat spruce]

HN2 old art style feels nostalgic to me

probably because I've urban explored before

[dusty niche]

i got a relatively closer look of the updated a1 house floor blueprints image

[oblique rivet]

Did you get hungry and ate the pixels?

[dusty niche]

i had to zoom in blender to get it

[long peak]

same thing i was doing

you know what, maybe if we could remove the text the preview image would be bigger

[dusty niche]

in what sense?

[long peak]

setting the font size

btw i managed to get higher res images by opening preferences, opening the image selector tab and then tabbing back into preferences without closing it, and then setting the scale down

[dusty niche]

where do you set the font size?

[long peak]

thats the big question

it isn't in preferences from my experience

[steady pewter]

i think there is a way to extract it

if you can somehow see the files of blender

you can maybe extract it

[dusty niche]

no idea if there is a way,

[dusty niche]

so i researched there is a way

and surprisingly max the files extracted will be 128x 128x which ngl it generally would be crazy

tho id have to use some script that allows me to do it but rn well no idea what would be of use

[steady pewter]

oh

[long peak]

may i know how? I might try to do it ngl

[dusty niche]

i just said how, put some python script in blender that extracts the textures,

[long peak]

mb

[dusty niche]

thing is just the matter of finding a script that works

[runic tiger]

U guys dont know how to code in python do u?

[long peak]

well do you?

[runic tiger]

My friend nodex might bc this guy pretty much knows every coding language but im not gonna disturb him bc i think he just wants to be left alone or smth atm

[long peak]

yea but even tho you know/your friend knows python, you need to like, learn what blender uses for it's functions and whatnot

[runic tiger]

He knows the basics (spawns cylinder)

[long peak]

do you like my doorbell reference image

[devout estuary]

no because this video came out in 2023

[long peak]

oh.

welllllll that explains a bit, but it's still reallllyyyyy close

[runic tiger]

Did you fix the doorbell?

[long peak]

@dusty niche hey you might wanna check this out

[dusty niche]

ahh good ol Y:Art drive

funny thing the wrench texture is for some reason there too

so it seems to be a secondary drive for textures in general

[lofty lion]

Question, i am going to use the devlog piece of muisic called "memories" for an upcoming school project, this project is to thank my piers and congratulate them on their work in my art school. The song is used because hello neighbor is a very artistic game, with much passion used to create it, so... Do yall have the composers name to be credited(idk wether its nikita or someone else)

[median saffron]

I’m sure no one will mind

Unless credit is a requirement, well uhh…

[spiral cobalt]

Does anyone have a link to the original 2021 Playtest (Alpha2) with the Gray Manor? AppID 1516290. All I find is Beta 0.0

[spiral cobalt]

I'm just new here, and I'm looking for Alpha 2 2021 AppID 1516290

[spiral cobalt]

I've heard the Alpha 2 (2021) build had some unique bugs or early AI quirks that were fixed later. I'm actually interested in seeing those 'work-in-progress' moments. Does anyone remember if the Gray Manor version was stable enough to explore?

[meager night]

No builds from the after alpha 1.5 and before beta have been released to the public.

[meager night]

It was never released.

We have no clue.

[spiral cobalt]

Oh, I see. I must have been confused by the leaks and the Playtest AppID I saw on SteamDB. Thanks for clarifying, Distance! If anyone happens to have any old archived files or info about that era, feel free to DM me, I'd love to chat about it.

[meager night]

Yeah ofc. Many people wish that version of HN2, before the reset, got released, however all we have are assets and different media from that time period.

Many refer to this build of HN2 as “alpha 2”.

[spiral cobalt]

Those screenshots look incredible, the atmosphere is so much darker. Since you mentioned that assets and media still exist, is there any chance you could share a link to an archive or a folder? I’m really interested in preserving/studying the 'Alpha 2' era and its original AI quirks before they were lost for good

[prisma depot]

aint that just blockout map for fg and the real alpha 2 was showcase build ?

[meager night]

Nope

All the same map.

[spiral cobalt]

That's a good point zacy. If Alpha 2 was a showcase build does anyone know if it actually had the AI systems working, or was it mostly scripted for the presentation? I'm trying to figure out if there's any playable logic left from that version

[meager night]

We know a bit of what the cop AI would do, that is left from the beta files, but the only content we really have are 3d meshes, those are also from the beta.

What he is referring to is an idea I had that I previously thought was the case, which I was incorrect about. That idea being that those photos were two different maps.

[spiral cobalt]

Interesting. Are these meshes from the beta very different from what we saw in Alpha 2 during the presentations? I'd like to compare their structures to understand how far along they were in development at that point. Does anyone have that archive or links to it for comparison?

[soft lichen]

Wasn’t there also neighbor car ai

[spiral cobalt]

Yeah, the car AI was interesting. I wonder if it was actually using the same navigation system as the Neighbor or if it was just a simple move-to-point script specifically for that showcase map

[obtuse nymph]

No

that was just a cutscene leftover

ai trailer

[wanton cloak]

In the devlog 1 we get to see a small bit of gameplay where the neighbor car is on a random road and Quentin is walking around it tho

Here’s the footage

[rich kettle]

do we have the models from hn2s announcement trailer for example theese

im curious have they been in like beta or the alphas?

[vivid flume]

They are from HG

[rich kettle]

ive never seen them in there aswell

or maybe im just blind

[meager night]

If I’m not mistaken, they are in the store.

[meager night]

We have all the models from the announcement trailer.

[rich kettle]

a ok

[vivid flume]

Not sure if they were a store item, but a mixer item at least
I think there were smaller ones too, and I think you could mix them with something and get these larger ones

[coarse nexus]

I know what Imbir is used for in the final game, but what was Imbir used for during the alpha days of HN2..?

aside from hints atleast
did we get to know who owned Imbir during the old storyline..?

[wanton cloak]

Imbir probably didn’t have her own storyline maybe she could have been apart of a puzzle or maybe she could just run around the map like in alpha 1.5 and in terms of who owned her idk because there are much more characters in alpha 2 it could have been scientist or baker or doom prepper

[median saffron]

A stray

[flat spruce]

She is a stray cat

[wanton cloak]

Yh most likely

[long peak]

I'm curious, where on earth did the entire "reuse school and security wallpapers for F3 and F4 train depo in the A1 house" idea come from???? I saw a lot of people use them and I have no clue why

[rich kettle]

it probably came from some mod or smth

[devout estuary]

it's plaster and typically wallpaper doesn't go in train stations

[long peak]

that's fair enough, tho (imo) a plaster for the F3 one would be nice, given how it's """"counterpart"""" in Newark also uses wallpaper

(the train station that has the stairs leading down to another room, a hole leading to the magnet puzzle, as well as an elevator, which all seemingly match up with whatever is inside of concept separated)

[muted plume]

i know that this is a month old discussion but i liked how the contents of the basement back then were left up to interpretation. I love the ending to alpha 1 because it's just absolute ragebait

the player finally opens the door and then Peterson's like "nah" and then the player just dies

[opaque pagoda]

Finally boymallow, I found you

[muted plume]

i'm not sure if this has already been sent here before but apparently the layout of the announcement trailer house was based on real floor plans

to be specific, it was actually based on the upper floor of these blueprints

[rich kettle]

hm no wonder it doesnt feel like its made for a game like HN

[muted plume]

for years i've always wondered what was up with all the diagonal walls and stuff because this is the only hn1 house to have this kind of style

i guess it makes sense now

[rich kettle]

tbh im not mad at them for going with house blueprints

proto was made in a week,making a full on map blueprint for HN is hard

[rich kettle]

you prob get my point

[muted plume]

i'm not either i find it rather interesting
i understand why the prototype house was ditched, it was probably way too small for an AI like peterson

[rich kettle]

it was never gonna be used

the house was just not good because it was too small

it was mostly tight hallways and small rooms,no room for like shortcuts or something like that

[long peak]

the iconic back entrance that is secretly a staircase and the iconic bathtub in the back side of the house

[muted plume]

crazy to think there's probably a real prototype house somewhere irl

[rich kettle]

i mean there already is alpha 1 house

theres also probably the pre alpha house somewhere

i will not be surprised if someone finds the alpha 2 house in real life

[lunar plover]

The house from alpha one is real?

[rich kettle]

there is a similar house to it

youll find it easily if you search hello neighbor ahh house on google

[wanton cloak]

What hello neighbor game is the house blueprint meant to be from?

[muted plume]

the announcement trailer aka the prototype

[wanton cloak]

Oh ok that’s pretty cool I guess

[serene urchin]

just threw a top 10 hna1 run

[devout estuary]

300 year old screenshot

[muted plume]

It is, I’ve known about this since December 2025

That’s before like the earliest mention I can find of it here

Though I guess I’m late with bringing it

[inner thistle]

omg omg omg

[long peak]

i would love to get b3modkit myself, but it needs a special engine version afaik

would be nice to look into the code of some bps ngl

[devout estuary]

i know, that's me in the screenshot lol

[twin prairie]

omg wait
wait that makes sense

[velvet hornet]

Is there any way to get the Beta 3 Modkit

[thorn sparrow]

hi pikha

[trim linden]

Hi I've been searching for this sound from announcement trailer (Link is timestamped). I heard it in multiple other videos and stuff but I can't find it no matter where I look, did anyone manage to find this sound? It's one of the only ones we don't have
https://youtu.be/eut-ehTyUJs?si=abR1ZGIDEWfZYGEY&t=5

[rich kettle]

HN sounds in this era were mostly made out of stock,

i wouldnt imagine it being really difficult to find the exact one on a free sounds website

even tho i dont have the source i only wan say that

[trim linden]

Yes I know that

It makes sense it's a stock sound it's literally been used in other media

[thorn sparrow]

really?

[rich kettle]

never seen it anywhere else

[muted plume]

For years I’ve been trying to find the original sound effect that plays when the player spawns in

[muted plume]

Oh that’s you?
lol I seriously didn’t even know

[runic tiger]

Imagine being in ur room watching yt and suddenly you see a trailer for a game and the house in the trailer looks very familiar

[coarse nexus]

from the prototype..?

[muted plume]

yeah

[coarse nexus]

it should still be in the files of some builds, if not there are HN1 modkit mods that have the sound in them

you'd just have to export them (and I only recommend this too because it's probably the easiest way to get it)

[muted plume]

ive wanted to find the name of it so i can find the og uncompressed version

[coarse nexus]

oh uh Idk about that one

[muted plume]

i've seen it used in other games and videos

[coarse nexus]

we are talking about stuff from years ago after all

[coarse nexus]

were they uncompressed

[muted plume]

video had background noise and the game was a flash game with crunchy audio

[coarse nexus]

hold on let me open up UE real quick

[devout estuary]

them being in the builds is unreliable as the announcement trailer is an edited video rather than raw footage

[coarse nexus]

well I know all the audio is added sound effects

I just kinda expected the sound to be in the files of older builds since I see the sound alot in the modkit and in the Jorch template

[devout estuary]

even the lighting was changed in post, it looks a bit different in the real project (i'm getting the image right now, please stand by)

[coarse nexus]

so it's normally not just this on it's own in high quality

[coarse nexus]

y'know what I didn't realize that part

[coarse nexus]

did they add a bloom effect..?

like in post production

[devout estuary]

color grading i believe

[coarse nexus]

interesting

I get it though gotta make the teaser look as good as they can to make people interested

[muted plume]

damn that's a screenshot from the real prototype project?

[coarse nexus]

and well with THAT house you especially gotta make it look better

[muted plume]

this is the video i heard it in. it sounds a lot cleaner here

[devout estuary]

Yes, from grandeturisto
The rules of this server forbid me from telling you my sources

[devout estuary]

It's a stock sound, the original sound on, say, soundsnap would be leagues cleaner than one i presume was cut from the video

[muted plume]

feels so surreal to me seeing the uproject even if it's just one picture

it's like hearing the original version of the meet the sniper theme after years of only hearing recreations

[muted plume]

Also I've noticed that the map name is called NewMap

The pre-alpha's map is called BaseMap so that means the prototype map most likely wasn't overwritten by the pre-alpha and was just simply removed (either that or the map was just renamed)

[muted plume]

also i'm just asking 'cause i'm curious, is it known if the prototype version of HelloNeighbour.uproject was ever saved? or is just like, GONE gone?

[muted plume]

i'm also not sure if this is already known, but the floor plan for the prototype house has an alternate version

titled "branford 2707"

[dusty niche]

i wonder where the original source of the blueprints they used for the proto house are from, since they couldnt be only uploaded in the house blueprints net site only

[muted plume]

I've always wondered why this section of the house had an almost "T" shape to it

the room above is wider than the room below

[dusty niche]

bad design simply,

they legit just threw a quick blockout top floor mesh

[muted plume]

most likely, i've noticed that this design choice isn't present in the original prototype house (early gameplay)

i'mma be honest, the prototype house is probably my favourite house exterior-wise, though i feel like the interior could be reworked to make it less claustrophobic (though i'm not exactly sure how much can be done to fix it)

i've always loved the prototype house's exterior because it's looks kinda like a "pocket version" of the pre-alpha house (that's basically what it is)

I think the interior’s main issue is that almost all of the rooms are connected via a tiny hallway connecting from the foyer to the kitchen, meaning it would be extremely easy to cross paths with the neighbour

[coarse nexus]

I like it for nostalgia reasons but

honestly I think the Prototype house is just bad all the way around, interior and exterior

which kinda makes sense considering it never was made for public consumption outside of the teaser trailer (like how the Pre-Alpha house wasn't meant for a public release either) and wasn't meant to represent the style or the game at that time

it just didn't doesn't look all that great and I believe that is also part of why Hello Neighbor Prototype Revived is making a completely new model

[muted plume]

Even when I was younger I saw this house layout and I was like “how can you hide in this”

[coarse nexus]

(that and editing the mesh is just not a good idea, it's just a bad model)

[muted plume]

Yeah the mesh is funky

[coarse nexus]

I honestly don't think Hello Neighbor house models were good until Alpha 1 which is funny because that version also wasn't meant to be publicly released

[muted plume]

Imagine a house like the prototype one with Alpha-2 level polishing

[coarse nexus]

but it's probably because before Alpha 3 existed, the A1 house was meant to be the final act house after the A2 house
this only changed because of the "neighbor_3" map that was in Alpha 2 (it created alot of speculation, hype, and alot of YouTubers were talking about it)

[coarse nexus]

so Prototype Revived by SmallPotato95 and his team

it's not finished yet as they've stated in their server and in the fangame-discussion channel but so far even with that it's alot closer to A2's level of polish

it might even end up being better since it won't have the wonky UV stuff that A2's house had alot of (I still have no idea how this happened)

[coarse nexus]

that's probably the only reason I can come up with on why the A1 house didn't look and feel so placeholder-like (even if extremely unfinished)

it even had trim around the ceiling and walls which looked nice

[median saffron]

The longer you look at the “prototype” map, the more infuriating details you’ll find

[muted plume]

The poles that hold up the little roof thing above the front door aren’t completely straight

[median saffron]

What im sayinnn

[muted plume]

Oh prototype house I love you but holy cow you’re goofy

[muted plume]

There’s also so many crooked door frames that it’s not even funny

I feel like the prototype house should get a new layout that ditches the diagonal walls

[median saffron]

You noticed all the frames changing shape just to fit the dang doors?

[muted plume]

Yeah

I think one of the door frames is smaller than others iirc

[runic tiger]

Did we ever get a confirmation that the alpha 3 house was made because of the neighbor_3 hype?

[vestal axle]

does anyone of where is this image from? i have never seen it before.

it does seem like some lost hello neighbor media.

and also this one? i have never seen this before...

[viscid oak]

those are from the developer diaries from the kickstarter page, they are no lost

[vestal axle]

is that so? which kickstarter page was it?

[viscid oak]

i don't remember, isnt there just only 1 kickstarter page

all of the dev diaries are located on different DP posts inside the kickstarter page itself

[dusk sparrow]

Both from the kickstarter posts

1. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/helloneighbor/hello-neighbor/posts/1397189
2. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/helloneighbor/hello-neighbor/posts/1389233

[vestal axle]

well i already figured it out but thanks.

[long peak]

Elite Kickstarter ball knowledge

[long peak]

it ain't at all

you got these from silver and I am 90% sure of that

[vestal axle]

Yes but I meant like a lost media of where they found these from.

[fair flume]

Looks sick

[coarse nexus]

this has fueled me beyond belief

they literally even said it's more of a thriller oh my god it's RIGHT THERE

[distant lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278080381308112948/1504290098198614036/neighbour_hello.gif

[long peak]

hi! i was wondering if anyone knows info about the "underhang on the third floor of the alpha 1 house" i remember hearing about. it might be in the a1 qna, but that's really long and i wouldn't want to sit through it

[rich kettle]

ill try and dig through it

i was only able to find stuff about the subway on the third floor

[sullen plank]

neighbor moonwalk but something feels off here

[sonic reef]

Was Quentin about to go into the Peterson car?!

[wanton cloak]

Not sure it looks like Quentin was just walking around it

If the neighbor can drive than what most likely happened is the neighbor drove some where and the player went to his car

[sweet kite]

burps

[coarse nexus]

the way people see (HN1) Pre-Alpha and Alpha 1 has genuinely permanently damaged the way people see "horror" as a genre

it's genuinely become a buzzword to this community

[rich kettle]

oh jeez

some peeps just really never learn

however i mean

it is tinybuilds fault overall
they advertised HN as a horror game which dynamic pixels probably said like 50 times that it isnt

[coarse nexus]

absolutely but also at the same time now that it's absolutely undeniable

it might just be best to change our mindsets on these older versions and on what Hello Neighbor was truly meant to be

[devout estuary]

then it got solidified as a 'mascot horror' because the genre was getting popular and now it's too late...

[median saffron]

tB did a lot of stuff to this franchise….

A bit of a shame people often go “remember when that time the devs did <>” when talking about something tb did

[rich kettle]

oh no dont remind me of the tweets about the animated series pilot

[coarse nexus]

DynamicPixels did alot of stuff too y'know

it's just that it was all the developmental side

rather than stuff like tweets and marketing, all the marketing stuff is TB, all the game development at that time was DP (now it's EGS)

[cobalt pecan]

The other way around happens sometimes.
tB gets blamed for development stuff.

[dusty niche]

tbf they did marketing as well

the now abandoned dynamic neighbor twitter account was fully run by DP

[coarse nexus]

earlier marketing

but like most of the marketing blunders IS TinyBuild

[dusty niche]

and still posted during the release of the alphas

[coarse nexus]

which is what I'm saying

[dusty niche]

yeah,

[coarse nexus]

DP didn't do much of the marketing blunders because DP actually knew what the game was

[solar pike]

Hello neighbor should fix the bug in act 1 nightmare nicky body is am adult also in act 2 nightmare

[devout estuary]

i don't think those are bugs, considering they're likely nightmares adult nicky is having after act 2

[prisma depot]

yeah those are intentional

[maiden crow]

"Ha, isn't this exciting? Moving to a new home, taking out a ridiculous mortgage, I'm going to be in debt my whole life. Yes!"

[solar pike]

Oh okay

[solar pike]

Is hn remake really gonna come after hn3?

[prisma depot]

most likely

they already made prototypes for it in 2023

[supple spruce]

They did?

[prisma depot]

yes

team was spilt into 2 people working on rbo and people making prototypes for hn1 remake

[supple spruce]

But what will the remake entail?

[coarse nexus]

before Nikita came back TinyBuild shown interest in it, and now more recently Nikita has also shown interest in it

so now that both TB and Nikita have considered it, HN1 getting a remake is really likely to be a possibility after HN3 is done

[dusty niche]

tbh hope elena comes back if that ever happens but i doubt it,

[stuck jacinth]

I would love for it to have RBO's art style.

[coarse nexus]

I wouldn't

I don't think it fits HN1 at all (plus I rather see HN1 newart but actually polished)

[solar pike]

Tb= tiny build? you mean

[solar pike]

But is look like lego or like low poly

Also btw in the play store why nicky in the picture because a kid in act 3 inside the school or they want it too fit the school theme for the poster

[coarse nexus]

yes

TB = TinyBuild (the publishers and main marketing team)
DP = DynamicPixels (old developing studio that was not owned by TB)
EGS = Eerie Guest Studios (current developing studio that is owned by TB)

[solar pike]

Thanks for the information ℹ️ i can finally know all meaning and understand it well

[runic tiger]

2031

[stone nebula]

yeah i think he's a kid for the school theme

since yk. something about facing personal memories set in youth to overcome trauma

[solar pike]

Ohhh

Make Sense

[solar pike]

Many reasons that Nicky is the main character
1: He appear in cartoon
2: Appear in book
3: In vr
4:in Nicky diaries
5: In hello neighbor 1
6: Hello neighbor Alpha2
And more maybe

Is iconic that people know him as a neighbor of theo too

[tame bronze]

Actually, the Alpha 2 to Beta 3 "guy" isn't Nicky tho they look the same

[long peak]

we don't know for sure

[sweet kite]

The Neighbor is the main character he’s in like every hn thing ever cus he’s the guy

[rich kettle]

what about hn3

poor dudes a side character in his own game😭

[sweet kite]

Still more of a main character than Nicky

Nicky’s house ain’t even there bruh

[devout estuary]

he's literally living in one of the most important hn locations

[solar pike]

I saw neighbor house in prealpha is it the same house in hn2?

[devout estuary]

technically yeah they're all the same house but to get specific, no
it's actually the same layout as hn1 but the layout of that house has always been nebulous for gameplay reasons. hn1 is the first layout so it's likely just the canon one
hn3 takes 11 years after act 3 of hn1, so neighbor's house is naturally demolished and is no longer important for gameplay. they have no reason to switch up the layout again as a result.

[solar pike]

And from nowhere they start to grow hill in the game 😭

Also btw do anybody still know what inside the basement like look at these photos

[coarse nexus]

I'd go and see if there's a way to look out of bounds but it may require looking into the files for the texture itself

[solar pike]

Nicky house only appear in hn1

[sweet kite]

yeah fella isnt a main character

[solar pike]

Who is poor side?

[solar pike]

I miss him

[long peak]

road that was seen In that one comic and teaser trailer

[solar pike]

Hm is look interesting but why the car wheel would come out from the door

Another dimension in the basement?

[long peak]

time travel

[solar pike]

New theory unlock

[fair flume]

Best pfp i ever seen @devout estuary

[devout estuary]

we don't know what's IN the basement but i'm fairly certain that at some point it leads out into the real world (You're in a fake reality that the neighbor made right now)

[devout estuary]

This is a nightmare that depicts when the neighbor made your car crash rather than something happening during the game's time
also time travel

[solar pike]

Still confused but okay

Also i found some got the same pfp as yours in another server too

[devout estuary]

glorified flashback

[devout estuary]

yes, i stole the pfp

[solar pike]

Oh 😱

[stoic trout]

You my enemy

[fair flume]

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-black-shocked-shocked-black-man-black-gif-2264217522034830192

You should be afraid aris

[median saffron]

If we are talking lore wise, likely the site where Player crashed his car

[solar pike]

😭 hi

[dull zealot]

Hi 👋

[fair flume]

[valid bobcat]

Hello, Neighor

[solar pike]

Btw do anyone know what place is this when mya fall down

[opaque pagoda]

The roof, obviously???

[opaque pagoda]

Basguvenlik idiot stupid (/j)

[opaque pagoda]

You're one of the Basguvenlik clones that can speak proper English

[solar pike]

Hey no badword please

[solar pike]

Location?

[opaque pagoda]

The top of the house, it's a roof

Dude, use your brain

[solar pike]

Me in act 1 i fell down i still survive

But mya dead

[opaque pagoda]

You're outrageous

[eternal carbon]

I can vouch for this guy

[solar pike]

?

[eternal carbon]

I fall off roof and I survive

[solar pike]

Oh

[opaque pagoda]

You don't seem to understand.

[solar pike]

🙂

[solar pike]

https://youtu.be/Pk8p81eWCYo?si=6R4qSFHffxNN8xwd this closet in the video look better than the new version

[opaque pagoda]

It is the same model

[solar pike]

The color😭

[opaque pagoda]

Fair

[solar pike]

The old one better right

[median saffron]

HN1 physics are very funny

[muted plume]

yesterday i was playing alpha 3 for the first time in a while and i didn't feel like doing that jump to the blue key so i decided to rip a locked door off its hinges

[runic tiger]

Idk how this glitch even works bro

[muted plume]

i dont really understand it either it just happens

[runic tiger]

Offtopic but i rlly liked the skinnier new art doors

[dusty niche]

every day i only appreciate the alpha 2 lighting even more

god it would look so cool with oldstyle assets,

[rich kettle]

alpha 1.5 lowk looked really ugly lighting wise

[dusty niche]

yeah thats why alpha 2 lighting the goat

[rich kettle]

correct...

alpha 2 is already really good but i argue that it would be

better in some ways if they baked it more in the oven

[dusty niche]

i mean it would be better, stuff like the basement portal image, and other stuff wouldnt be unfinished & broken

[rich kettle]

the foliage disgusts me because its not on the entire landscape

but its forgivable since they didnt know how to do that

like whyyyyyyyy

[dusty niche]

tbh its kinda excusable since they ofc didint envision anybody looking at the out of bounds areas

[rich kettle]

yeah but this is litereally next to the players house

i understand not adding so much foliage for the sake of optimization but come on lad

[dusty niche]

atleast its better then the pre alpha & alpha 1 house on where theres straight up no grass out of bounds

[rich kettle]

atleast that

but hey why am i even complaining theres vintage

i saw with my own eyes they redid the foliage without simplegrass wind🥹

[dusty niche]

speaking of foliage, man genuinely, its crazy to think the hn oldstyle foliage pack is lost media,

im still looking for it btw

[rich kettle]

good luck on finding it

[dusty niche]

im the definition of desperation

[rich kettle]

i accidentally found the post lmao

[dusty niche]

to think the thing was still available in 2021 and only was left-unavailable in 2022

genuinely there has to be some people in this community who found it and still have it, and i in fact have seen claims of people having it and then losing it

[rich kettle]

all roads lead to wayback machine/j

[dusty niche]

curiously 2021 is the year with the most archives

[rich kettle]

none of the downloads work😡

[dusty niche]

but sadly none have available downloads because the thing was shared by google drive

and according to my research google drive links cant exactly be archived

and if they are archived they simply do not work and are on perma loading

[rich kettle]

person probably deleted it off theyre drive

[dusty niche]

yeah

[rich kettle]

or iunno still has it but deleted it off the drive

[dusty niche]

i mean the author of the foliage has been offline since 2019, and not only that but they deleted a lot of his social media, including a youtube channel and his twitter account

[rich kettle]

they probably quit the internet

[dusty niche]

genuinely the only hope i have is wishing any of the people ive contacted trough the ue forums, artstation and gmail, answer my messages, (yes ive even sent messages to peoples emails thats how much i want this kit 😭)

[rich kettle]

to think that even the foliage is lost media for HN is crazy

theres probably so much more lost media for HN oldart that we dont even know about

[dusty niche]

yeah, like the stone white texture (used in the corners from the garage in alpha 1)

its obviously a stock texture but finding its source is seamingly impossible

[rich kettle]

which one are you talking about

[dusty niche]

the stone texture in the garage corners yknow?

[rich kettle]

never noticed it

[dusty niche]

i think i mentioned it before, but the trees are also lost media

which is funny because i got them a few days before they went un-available

[rich kettle]

lucky you

btw do you know if the elenas brushes kit thing can run on like photopea or smth

[dusty niche]

probably, i mean

it is basically just photoshop but in website form

[rich kettle]

why have i been cursed with gimp not being able to support elenas brushes

[long peak]

100%

I use photopea for ALL of my texture work and I can confidently say that it does work, flawlessly!

[rich kettle]

yeah but the problem is i only know gimp and gimp doesnt support nothin

cause the file is abr version 9

and gimp only supports like 3 versions (1,2, and 6)

[devout estuary]

looks like you'll have to... gulp... branch out your skillset...

[solar pike]

Yes

Btw is this canon that nicky has known about the guest in hn1

[finite ocean]

I don't see why he wouldn't considering the guest was in raven brooks at the time
although i don't think anything actually confirms it bein canon

[solar pike]

Okay

[median saffron]

The Guest is a well known figure in Raven Brooks since decades

[opaque pagoda]

Yes

The guest is the most well known figure in raven brooks

Nearly Everyone knows about him.

[opaque pagoda]

You've never noticed before?

[solar pike]

In ravenbrooks not I'm right umm

[solar pike]

Yeah because he is a story that people scare

[opaque pagoda]

So, it's no surprise that Nicky knows anything about him

[opaque pagoda]

I believe He is also a well known figure outside of the raven brooks

[solar pike]

Also do you know that hello neighbor use to made a factory mini game concept but is already unused because is too much mini games

[rich kettle]

you can find it in like beta 1 or beta 3

[solar pike]

👀

[rich kettle]

one of them

[solar pike]

For real? Like can we play it

[rich kettle]

yeah

[solar pike]

I wanna search up some game play what ability do we got after the mission?

[rich kettle]

super throw

[solar pike]

?? Sounds interesting what's that

[rich kettle]

you know how in the full game you can throw really far yeah thats that

[solar pike]

Oh so that thing was supposed to be but now we can do so we don't need?

[rich kettle]

preety much yeah

[solar pike]

Also i want hn1 to update and add more mini games

[rich kettle]

they are not gonna do that

HN1 is finished and had its last patch update probably in like 2019 or something

[solar pike]

Oh but what about the new cutscenes update 2026

I heard it like VGN post about it is actually cutscenes update nothing much

[long peak]

the evil canon playerhouse flooring

[distant lodge]

i don't think the neighbor gets any faster in alpha 1

i have tested it myself

and i think i can safely debunk that
the neighbor does not seem to get any faster

[runic tiger]

How can we trust your sources,by looking at ur pfp it looks like someone bonked you with a hammer 500 times you might have some vision problems

[solar pike]

😭 Don't judge a book by its cover

[runic tiger]

He's a human

[hollow forum]

hey

[rich kettle]

and what are you

a plant?

[runic tiger]

An electric lawnmower

[rich kettle]

no you are a big and evil bucket

more evil then the FG buckets

[runic tiger]

Alpha 2 bucket more evyl

THOSE WHO KNOW💀 💀 🔥 🔥 💀 🔥 🔥

[runic tiger]

That was cringe im srry

[rich kettle]

are you sure about that

[runic tiger]

Yep

[rich kettle]

you cant die in alpha 2
you can die in FG so that disqualifies a2

[runic tiger]

Well in a2 u can literaly attach the bucket to the door handle

[rich kettle]

so?

[runic tiger]

It evil

[rich kettle]

can a bucket be so dangerous in alpha 2 as in full game where one wrong move and your flung to heavens gates

[runic tiger]

No bc after alpha 3 the physics got jank

[rich kettle]

thank you for proving my point

[runic tiger]

But it doesn't mean u cant do it

U can uhh do it after 5000 attempts

[runic tiger]

Btw when was bucket traps readded?

[rich kettle]

wdym

[runic tiger]

In a2 they were gone

[rich kettle]

probably alpha 3 or alpha 4

i doubt alpha 3 since its basically alpha 2

[runic tiger]

Also chair barricading never came back for some reason

[rich kettle]

dude...

[runic tiger]

What

[rich kettle]

alpha 2 does use chairs lmao

[runic tiger]

Never seen

[rich kettle]

the plank bro

its actually a chair

[runic tiger]

I mean a trap

[rich kettle]

i dont understand what you mean by trap

[devout estuary]

yeah it did

[runic tiger]

If u open door after getting caught a certain amount of times he will barricade with chair

[devout estuary]

they never removed it

[runic tiger]

For neighbor

[devout estuary]

oh i see mb
slowmode suxxx

[runic tiger]

Im so slow

I gotta go fasttt

[runic tiger]

I think they were also gone in a1 but that could just be me never seeing it

[distant lodge]

the neighbor goes back into idle mode after hunt mode sooner in alpha 1 than he does in pre-alpha

unfortunately i didn't record either phenomenon

though i might(!)

[runic tiger]

He goes back into idle mode in a1?

[distant lodge]

yea

and pre-alpha (after waiting in ambush mode)

i consider ambush mode in pre-alpha to be a branch of hunt mode

[runic tiger]

Doesnt ambush take 10 minutes?

To apear

[raven pasture]

was it ever found out where near_idle came from, i'm quite sure its from soundsnap but other than that i don't know

[distant lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nuMlcHHiWk
tried using a music identifier and it showed me this
but at 2:20 it can be heard

this isn't the origin

https://www.shazam.com/album/465878685/halloween-music-vol-1 this might be it however

[muted plume]

There’s this one “quirk” I discovered in the pre alpha where the neighbour will jump over bear traps and for some reason when he jumps he moves forward super fast. I have a clip of this somewhere

I wonder if anyone has ever did an analysis of the pre-alpha neighbour’s AI at a technical level, kinda like those videos where they decompile the FNAF 1 exe and look at the AI

[queen rampart]

yood

[muted plume]

I think closest we’ve gotten to something like that is this one video by Golden Skies

https://youtu.be/qxn_I86tz4I

[queen rampart]

wait is this detroid?

[unique quail]

alpha 1 is the best verison i think

[solar pike]

For me i like the demo instead :D

[dusty niche]

alpha 2 is there,

[rich kettle]

alpha 2 easily beats alpha 1

[lofty jay]

Alpha 3 + Finished Textures + Alpha 1 AI = Absolute Peak

[rich kettle]

alpha 1s ai is buns

[lofty jay]

Alpha 3s ai is more buns

[rich kettle]

nah not really

its the same ai as alpha 2s which was decent unlike alpha 1s

[lofty jay]

(I ment that Alpha 2/3 AI isn't good for the Alpha 3 House)

[rich kettle]

are you sure

[lofty jay]

yes

[runic tiger]

I liked alpha 3 doors

[muted plume]

Yeah alpha 3 brought us the “physics doors”

Not gonna lie alpha 3 is pretty easy……………ONCE YOU GET PAST THAT STUPID JUMP—

Speaking of the alphas I remember it wasn’t until like 2024 that I found out in the pre-alpha if you press tab with a tool like the hammer or the key it hides it

Just when I think I know the ins and outs of that alpha I discover something new

[tame bronze]

I did it on the 1st try once if I remember correctly

[runic tiger]

That jump is pretty ez in my opinion

[solar pike]

Also what do y'all think that hn1 should update an add Trinity house near nicky house so it could feel more like cartoon and add roller coaster as a background far away too!🙃

[runic tiger]

They arent updating hn1

[solar pike]

They should add event or update

[runic tiger]

They wont be updating it

Last update was 7 years ago

[solar pike]

Then why i heard about the new cutscenes update from vgn

[runic tiger]

Vgn isn't tinybuild bro🙏

[solar pike]

But he said and show new update

https://youtu.be/cTzK4JHgYP4?si=CMpPq4LbvtVsRUt0

[runic tiger]

Im 99% sure thats the visuals update for the ps5 version

Not steam version

[solar pike]

Steam need update

[runic tiger]

Also these arent even new cutscenes its literaly only a visual change they made for the ps5 version

[solar pike]

Also it would be cool if they add a small tree house like in hn2

[runic tiger]

But they wont be updating it...

All of those stuff only have a chance of showing up for the hn1 remake

[solar pike]

I'm waiting for it

[runic tiger]

It comes out after hn3 most likely so prob around 2030-2031

[solar pike]

Please add Trinity house pls add roller coaster pls add more decorations for the town and make the town remake with more stuff from the cartoon :D

[solar pike]

2030?????

[runic tiger]

Yeah

Hn3 comes out prob 2028-2029

So realisticly a hn1 remake should come out 2030-2031

And it might not even come out btw

[solar pike]

I agree 👍

[solar pike]

🥹 why not because i wanna see how nicky look like

[runic tiger]

In 6 years u wont be caring about hn so

[solar pike]

Since I'm young i care hn until know plus I don't like to play game what my friend like or everyone like to i love this kinda style game

I'm different

[runic tiger]

Bro is not that young

[solar pike]

Kindergarten

[runic tiger]

If u were in Kindergarten u wouldnt know what discord is

[solar pike]

I didn't know i know it when 2024 because i join this server to get the proto1 link

[runic tiger]

So when did u join??

I dont understand

[solar pike]

I made discord the same date i join hng server

I get banned from other server because they think I'm to Young

[runic tiger]

So u were 14 when u joined?

[solar pike]

Not telling lol

[runic tiger]

Very sus

[solar pike]

But i rejoin yesterday because my embeds are gone is a glitch

[runic tiger]

Idk it sus ur english isn't very good

[solar pike]

I'm not Mr English 😭

[runic tiger]

When i told u 50 times they wouldnt update hn1 u didnt listen either

[solar pike]

We listen we don't judge

[runic tiger]

Only people with common sense would understand that unless ur a child

[solar pike]

But hn1 is the main game at least my some updates for the game

[runic tiger]

There wont be

Never

[solar pike]

Ok i will wait for hn1 remake

[solar pike]

I knew it

[thick steppe]

It is not happening there will be no remake

[solar pike]

I mean i know the guitar 🎸

[solar pike]

Also btw in alpha4 have Fear-Hospital? And the idea was scrabbed

I think is because a nicky nightmare in act 2 instead

Is this a reference of nicky being neighbor son? Because there's only one child

[lapis briar]

Aint Aaron his son?

[solar pike]

i saw a video said that nicky use to be the son

also maybe this was a old painting of the family

[lapis briar]

i think maybe it was like planned or something in the alphas (before act 2)

cuz in the show nicky (not the same nicky but same name i think) was part of his family or summin i think??

idk it was quite confusing

[solar pike]

same

[lapis briar]

i hope S3 explains more of it and stuff yknow

[solar pike]

what's s3?

[lapis briar]

season 3 of the the show

[solar pike]

Cartoon one?

[coarse nexus]

Season 3 is not going to, it's an old storyline from HN1 Alpha 2-Beta 3 which was scrapped in favor for what the full game would use instead

[lapis briar]

oh alr

[runic tiger]

Fear hospital exists in beta 3 modkit btw

[runic tiger]

But they brought back the a1 painting and made him his brother so who knows🤷

[solar pike]

What is the main goal of this mini game

[runic tiger]

It has none

Theres like only 3 meshes and thats it

[solar pike]

Is look like a circle loop

[coarse nexus]

yeah

because they could repurpose that, but they can't repurpose Nicky being Peterson's son because they've been done with that plotline long ago

[runic tiger]

They could change the meaning of the painting yk

[snow wadi]

that's literally a different house all-together on the painting

the only thing they could possibly change it to is Theodore and Aaron

but them being related is not exactly breaking news right

besides father and son plot isn't as hype and hashtag matpat lore as the devil plot was

[solar pike]

Btw is your pfp Nicky?

[snow wadi]

yea

but in his "old" outfit though which was a test texture or something

[solar pike]

Where do you get this is it official?

Looks interesting is it old nicky unused outfit

[finite ocean]

it's in the alpha 2 files i believe

[snow wadi]

I mean it was in the alpha 2 files and it goes for the player_body_old model which is just two arms and neighbor torso and legs and has pretty much nearly all of Nicky's normal alpha 2 animations

also that arm perfectly matches Nicky's left arm

like

I doubt it was an actual thought-out outfit since it was probably a placeholder or something

Nikita kinda wore a polo shirt and blue sweater one time so

[snow wadi]

I just like to think it had actual relevance somehow someway since the blue-white color scheme was present in earlier promo art too

[solar pike]

Wait i never know it

[solar pike]

Oh so he reference the outfit as him self?

[snow wadi]

this all could be for player_shadow too so who knows

[solar pike]

This is green alpha man

[flat spruce]

It is official, I believe it was meant for the Alpha 1 player.

[solar pike]

Can i see more pics about it

[rich kettle]

no?

it was never meant for the alpha 1 player man

[flat spruce]

I could be wrong tho

[rich kettle]

the model appeared in alpha 2

before alpha 2 there was just pre alpha man and his ghost

[flat spruce]

I am aware.

[rich kettle]

so whyd you say it was meant for the alpha 1 player?

[flat spruce]

^

[flat spruce]

"I believe it was meant for alpha 1 player"

[devout estuary]

impossible for it did not exist at that time

[snow wadi]

like any kind of proper player model

[warm apex]

i think people js assume that cuz of it being the in between of nicky and pre alpha man

and the in between of pre alpha and alpha 2 is alpha 1

so theres the logic

[long peak]

there's no logic otherwise

guy was made as the player for A2 at 1 point (and was also in the player folder at 1 point) plus there was never an A1 pmodel

A1 is the only currently known alpha afaik that doesn't have a mesh/character that we play as, as pre alpha has Pam, and A2 has nicky

[opaque pagoda]

Are you new here pal, cuz you don't seem to know anything about the scrapped family storyline

[opaque pagoda]

No, lady, definitely not

[lapis briar]

Well sorry im not invested in the HN lore, i remember summin bout a cult and thats it,been a fan since about 2018 just never payed attention to the lore

[opaque pagoda]

Ah, okay

[lapis briar]

What is the scrapped family storyline?

[rich kettle]

it was a storyline during alpha 2 till the last beta,

it was there for most of hn1s builds

where basically you were the neighbors son and something something reliving trauma then waking up and going to church end of story

[lapis briar]

Ohh okay i get it now

All i remember is the neighbor wants to lick his son in the basement for done reason and also i remember like a bird cult thingy where the neighbor can shapeshift or summin?? I rlly cant remember but i know it was in SN

[rich kettle]

noonono the neighbor cant shape shift

thats the guest
neighbor USED to be the guest back in the hello guest days but when hn2s first alpha launched it was revealed neighbor is no longer the guest

[lapis briar]

ooohh, so in SN the neighbor is the guest?

[rich kettle]

no hes not

i said he used to be the guest now he isnt

the guest is its own thing

[lapis briar]

Ohhh ok, so it was planned he was gonna be the guest, but he wasnt, correct?

[void cedar]

in the very first storyline for hello guest, he was wearing and acting like the urban legend and mascot of town, the guest

[opaque pagoda]

He IS still the guest, only in books.

[opaque pagoda]

Books Theodore is still the guest

[flat spruce]

Yes, mikeyyy

[long peak]

nop

[raven pasture]

none of these are originals they just all also use the same soundsnap source (assuming it was originally from soundsnap which i am basically 100% positive)

[raven pasture]

true