lore-discussion

[fleet viper]

Omg Andrew

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-falling-dead-skeleton-skill-issue-gif-17769427810538404870

Uh no, that painting was a Religious Reference, wouldn’t make sense for that.

he- he- he- HELL NAW

[snow mauve]

Uh it was confirmed that it was meant to be the pre-alpha painting but clearly they never intended it in the first place until now

[fleet viper]

It is a reference but it isn't really Jesus, it's just someone who resembles him because obviously Mr. Peterson is in that photo too, so I think it makes sense for them to make a character up from that painting

[pale urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-nah-hell-naw-oh-hell-naww-dog-gif-9009732769714372825

[manic dirge]

Hell nah

he he hell nah

[teal imp]

no way Frank is Jesus Christ??? 🤯

[novel prism]

skill issue

[woeful orchid]

Im pretty sure all the content from early alphas isnt canon anymore

[novel prism]

so the neighbor isnt canon?

[woeful orchid]

💀 . Im talking about the content that didnt get to the release version. Like the pre alpha man

[shell gull]

Ah weird.

[snow mauve]

Not really cuz it was kinda obvious

[fleet viper]

The painting was also in the final episode of the first season when the kids entered

It was thrown right in our faces in the first minute lol

[snow mauve]

Well most of us thought it was just a reference

Rather than importance

[fleet viper]

True, kinda weird still since that painting hasn't really been seen since.. Alpha 2?

[snow mauve]

It didn't really have any importance

It was just Jesus Christ with Ted (Neighbor)

At that time

[novel prism]

you literally said "all content"

[shut spruce]

Guys who u think was the guy hited and dragged the neighbor in hn2

Last place

[stiff spire]

you did

||/j||

[shell gull]

No not for me, doesn’t make sense to retcon a Religious Reference from an Alpha, then again this is HN which is known for Random Retcons.

[snow mauve]

The alphas don't matter anyway

Retcon it all you want it don't really matter

Because it was never canon to begin with

[oblique kiln]

Stuff Gets Changed/Removed From Early Builds Of Just About Any Game
It's Game Development, Ideas Change

[snow mauve]

Exactly

[cold gull]

Yes 😌

[cold gull]

I don't remember where but i saw that the painting used to be a clear jesus reference, but also, a piece of the game's alpha story which Alex ended up bringing in the AS as canon

[unkempt sleet]

Okay so a theory...

[snow mauve]

Peak theory

[unkempt sleet]

same theory but i added a message i accidently cut

[spark tulip]

Another theory I had is that Raven Brooks was built over ancient cult grounds.

[unkempt sleet]

And this from the books to support this

[manic dirge]

There’s also one in the ground by Quentin’s office

[barren tulip]

The Guest Takes Abandoned Houses To Live In Right?

[unkempt sleet]

No

He has his own shelter in the forest

[barren tulip]

The forest In The Game Right?

[fleet viper]

This is probably a better place to chat huh

[fleet viper]

You have lots to learn about

[barren tulip]

No I know most of the lore just not much abt the guest

[unkempt sleet]

Yea, The shelter is not in the game at the moment but it will get added

Hold on let me get the shelter teaser

[barren tulip]

In chapter 2 probably

[snow mauve]

All you need to know is

He is a manipulative ancient creature

Praised by the cutlists

And takes things that don't deserve in town

[barren tulip]

And can shapeshift I think

[snow mauve]

Correct

[barren tulip]

Good

[barren tulip]

Oh that teaser I forgot abt that one!

[ripe berry]

Mr. Apple's Theory there makes that actually make some form of sense

[snow mauve]

HN2 connects everything!!!!

YEAH

Feels good

[unkempt sleet]

Yay

[snow mauve]

Apple you are smart

[barren tulip]

Yeah he is

[ripe berry]

since that statue would otherwise make no sense for a secret society to put out in the open, but a town founded as a cult worship site (basically ancient version of that Bohemian Grove or however it's spelt irl) would probably do that

[ripe berry]

agreed

[unkempt sleet]

[muted moon]

No, act 2 is already known to pretty much just be the catacombs, ruined town, and the patch 9 forest

[silver vine]

For all we know this could've been scrapped or completely redone since the update us STILL in very early stages till date

[spark tulip]

Jay said this when I asked if the Shelter was being worked on.
||(This basically means it is still being worked on.)||

[spark tulip]

My theory for that was the "Raven Brooks was built over ancient cult grounds".

[muted moon]

that version was definitely either redone or scrapped since it was literally just a guardhouse and a random bg building, as well as the museum porch (it had no interior)

[manic dirge]

Yeah

Or the statues are prehistoric creatures/j

[muted moon]

guest dinosaur

[manic dirge]

Real

[spark tulip]

Because it was a placeholder.

[stiff spire]

leak

[muted moon]

real

[spark tulip]

I don't know about the nest part of it, though.

That seems unique, but I could be wrong.

[manic dirge]

First patch 10 leak for months

[muted moon]

the "nest" part is a bunch of trees spammed in one spot

[stiff spire]

I agree I feel like it's probably most likely changed by now

[spark tulip]

They're branches.

[muted moon]

yeah

[spark tulip]

I like how the Shelter is being held up by the dead trees.
Very cool.

[stiff spire]

the owls in the teaser were cool

[spark tulip]

Yeah, I can't wait to see them in-game.

[cold gull]

I have a question

If Mr. Apples theory is right, would that mean the cult already existed by the time Frank died in the S2 teaser?

If so, it means modern cult takes those bullies to join them in the future, right?

[muted moon]

yeah the cult started at the same time raven brooks was founded

[cold gull]

Okay, that sounds cool, thanks 😄

[thin wadi]

Hello Neighbor
I think you mean...
Hell no Dino

[teal imp]

they really love this model huh

it will be really funny if the final version still resembles the guard house

[wicked heath]

Ze mill.

[shell gull]

I mean I think that’s fine, if they wanna reuse Guard House it’s cool, in a way it’s bringing back past stuff.

[stiff spire]

mill on the rumble

[opal steeple]

bumble on the hill

[manic dirge]

stumble on the pill

[muted moon]

rumble on the rumble

[stiff spire]

on the mill rumble

[opal steeple]

if rumble, then only mill! 🔥

[teal imp]

lumber on the mill!!!

[thorn solar]

Hiya

[opal pivot]

Can somebody catch me

Up

[manic dirge]

on what exactly?

[ripe berry]

yeah, if we don't know what to catch you up on we can't really catch you up with it

[manic dirge]

I mean I could send a google doc on the HN lore

[sinful flint]

i think broski just wants to be caught up in general

as in the general lore, not the general the name commonly used for discord channels haah!

[left dew]

Are the hn2 alpha canon

[unkempt sleet]

No

[ripe berry]

guessing you should do that

[safe charm]

@lyric zephyr

Hi

So do you think this is smoke

Or something

[lyric zephyr]

It’s dust, the structure around him clearly just fell apart if I had to guess

Lots of debris around him it’s likely dust clearing from that whole structure falling apart

[safe charm]

Oh anyway I had a theory reset day guest was sorta a proto guest and that’s why he was so different now Ik it’s implied he was possessing mr Peterson but we’re not sure I had a theory that time would reset after reset day

And which would lead into hn2

And that reset day was another timeline

Because aren’t there a lot of things inconsistent in reset day?

[safe charm]

Was Nicky implied to be dead

In rd

[lyric zephyr]

No? Nicky wasn’t implied to be anything

He was referenced like 2-3 times and nothing else

[safe charm]

You said so awhile ago

[lyric zephyr]

From what I know

No I didn’t?

[safe charm]

He’s still on missing posters

And is still missing

[lyric zephyr]

When did I say that I don’t remember that

[safe charm]

2 years ago lol

I was searching up messages on reset day in hng and saw it

[safe charm]

What do you think Alex meant by AS being the guest origin story btw

You think he was serious

I’m just confused cause how

Would it be possible

[lyric zephyr]

I don’t know dude.

[safe charm]

They really need to clarify things in the future Hn continuity is rotting my brain away

Not sure if mayak will still explain everything

[ripe berry]

My guess is this is a part of the School and the Guest kills Murtaugh earlier on in this scene, which Ivan witnesses
It's possible the thing to the left is either a swing or a crane
Murtaugh's been implied to die at some point
Ivan witnesses something that gets something red all over him in what looks like the school

the reason I specify a part of the school is because the school still exists in HN2, and since the Scene has no episode tied to it I have to account for the possibility of the scene being before HN2

[safe charm]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

I'm going into the School in HN2 to look for evidence a part of the building was destroyed

the only part of the school that looks like it could've been destroyed and rebuilt is the area between the Cafeteria and the main building

it's made of copper plates and the wood floor is a noticably different color then the floor of either area it's connected to

you can even see individual nails sticking out

it's the ONLY part of the school (other then maybe the Basement) that looks like this

[snow mauve]

blood

[ripe berry]

(not related to the message above it, just sending it for context for a earlier statement)

[shell gull]

Bro it was obviously a joke 💀

He literally says “It would be wild”

Dude was just having fun.

[shell gull]

We are sure he was possessing Mr. Peterson.

[ripe berry]

that's wild

[manic dirge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nvlX7K7ljW_pXHPHPFJZmIX79Gs_Jew2_Z2J2eCzxE/edit only one i could find

[tribal talon]

who are the sn kids? like where are they coming from and where are they after sn

[ripe berry]

you mean Inventor/Ivan, Bagger/Delroy, and Scout/Finch?

[wicked heath]

Surely that aint Pilot blood

[stone nexus]

wait so how long was nicky in the neighbor's basement in the first game

[manic dirge]

around 2 months

[stone nexus]

how did he not die from starvation or thirst lol

[manic dirge]

Ted gave him food

[stone nexus]

ok

[stiff spire]

that would explain the empty soda cans and chinese takeout boxes in the basement

[stone nexus]

honest opinion: the lore is all over the place

[snow mauve]

DUH

[stone nexus]

the books fudged everything up

[snow mauve]

That's why we are lore masters

[snow mauve]

Thank god that's retconned (totally)

Hehe

[stone nexus]

like before he was just battling inner demons after loss and then theres a cult involved with everything and then it went downhill from there

[snow mauve]

You mean he have to deal with the birb man

Also that shit is peak asf

[stone nexus]

i meant the thing

from the first game

[snow mauve]

The thing wasn't for Ted

It was meant to be for Nicky

[stone nexus]

ok so then my lore is fricked up

[snow mauve]

The guest is Ted's own "thing"

[stone nexus]

can you recap the first game for me

[snow mauve]

Yep

[stone nexus]

plus everything beforehand

[snow mauve]

Nicky hears Aaron screaming as Ted trynna hide him from the Cutlists and anyone else in town

[stone nexus]

yeah to protec

[snow mauve]

Yep

[stone nexus]

bc mya and his wifey died

[snow mauve]

So Nicky snooping around and Theo trapped him in the basement with Aaron

[stone nexus]

rip

[snow mauve]

So that way Aaron isn't alone ig

Meanwhile the "rescue squad" tries to attempt saving Nicky

But fails miserable

Cuz they suck

[stone nexus]

facts

[snow mauve]

Meanwhile the guest helps out Aaron to do some deal for him (he wants Theo)

So the guest frees everyone and gives Aaron the key to free nicky out (and that's where hn1 act 2 starts)

(That's HNVR plot)

So act 2, Nicky escapes theo's house (the bigger house thing was just Nicky's own distorted memory, none of it ever had happened)

And HN2 begins which i won't be explaining that cuz you know how it goes

[stone nexus]

didnt one of the devs say nothing was a dream tho

[snow mauve]

Years later Nicky grew up and his home got evicted so he's forced to move back to his childhood's home

[snow mauve]

No

[stone nexus]

trauma dumped onto him lol

[snow mauve]

Yep

He starts seeing the thing

[stone nexus]

wikipedia is wrong then (as it is)

[snow mauve]

Yep

[snow mauve]

So Nicky goes to sleep to fight his fear

And cured his PTSD i guess

The end ig

[stone nexus]

cool

[snow mauve]

Simple lore

[stone nexus]

so then the books are just like extra lore side quest things then

that isn't necessary

[snow mauve]

Kinda

Tho those are prequels

[stone nexus]

yeah

[snow mauve]

Before HN1 happened

And kinda hide and seek

What you need to know tho is there's a cult going on in town

As well as some abandoned weather station (mayak)

That involves with Theo's secretive parents (that went missing/dead)

And there's a incident happened in Theo's Golden apple amusement park (Lucy Yi's death)

[stone nexus]

ik that

[snow mauve]

And there's luck devices which involves with Theo's life

Which he has the bad luck

[stone nexus]

i read missing pieces at least

[snow mauve]

That's why he lost everything

Because of the cultists

[stone nexus]

wait what order should i read the books in tho

[snow mauve]

Good to know

[stone nexus]

yeah bc they were trying to kill mya basically

[snow mauve]

Yep

[snow mauve]

Missing pieces, waking Nightmare, and Buried secrets are just Nicky's whole story trilogy

Taking place before HN1

While Bad Blood, Grave Mistakes, and Puzzle Master takes place before Nicky's trilogy

[stone nexus]

k, so i will prob skip those then

maybe not idk

[snow mauve]

Well they do give out some more info about Theo's life

Cultists

And other stuff I mentioned earlier

[stone nexus]

ok then i might read them then

[snow mauve]

But that's your choice

[stone nexus]

cool

my library has all the books so

[snow mauve]

Cool

[stone nexus]

random thought but i need to see a meme that's the two buzz lightyears but its mr peterson from hn1 and hn2

saying i'm mr peterson

[manic dirge]

it really didn't. it was more so AS and HN2

[soft crag]

Does anyone think when Hello Neighbor 3 will be released?

[manic dirge]

Wrong chat

[tribal talon]

imagine hello neighbor 3 is actually nicky's return and we find the neighbor, via free roam

but the neighbor wouldnt recognise nicky cause y'know act 3 aint real.

its just a dream.

[snow mauve]

Hello neighbor diaries exists silly

We don't need a hello neighbor 3

[tribal talon]

ok

ill download right now

[opal jackal]

More like the AS fudged everything up

[snow mauve]

More like none of any HN media fudged everything up

[opal jackal]

mmmm

[safe charm]

Its not really any better now

Its worse if anything

[snow mauve]

Y'all just saying that because you over complicate yourselves

[stone nexus]

as?

[ripe berry]

the Cartoon

[stone nexus]

oh yeah

i was going to watch it just bc

how did it mess it up

[ripe berry]

retcons everything that came before

[stone nexus]

retcons?

[ripe berry]

you know, retcons, when they change a established fact

[stone nexus]

i meant like what did they retcon exactly

[ripe berry]

just watch it and you'll learn pretty quickly some of the changes

[stone nexus]

buddy i haven't even played most of the games so my lore mindset is all over the place

i just ask people for the lore that i need to know bc i don't have the games 💀

[ripe berry]

oh

then AS is perfect for you because whatever it shows retcons over the games
(basically everything before it has been changed in some way, like now the story's in the modern day, the books aren't canon, etc.)

[stone nexus]

so i should follow the show's lore now instead of the games and books?

[snow mauve]

No shit

The animated series is important in fact

Season 2 will be the one

For HN2

And the future!

[stone nexus]

so there's only one season then

[ripe berry]

at the moment yes

[stone nexus]

k

[snow mauve]

There's 3 seasons in total

We got one so far

[ripe berry]

Season 2 teasers just got posted in the main HN chat as we were speaking

[stone nexus]

oh snap

[snow mauve]

With these teasers

[stone nexus]

ok

so let me get this straight

the first three books are nicky's origin story basically, then it goes into acts 1 and 2 of hn1 where nicky gets trapped and then escapes (hnvr is in the middle), and then hn2 takes place, then act 3 of hn1?

oh and also the last 3 books are before all of that

[snow mauve]

HNAS story is a little different

[snow mauve]

Yeah

[stone nexus]

and hide and seek is before nicky

[snow mauve]

Yep

[stone nexus]

bc thats when wifey and mya dies

cool

so then how does the as come into place

is it like an AR series

[snow mauve]

AS is something else

[stone nexus]

like alternate reality?

[snow mauve]

It's like a different narrative to the games and books story

[stone nexus]

mirror universe or sum?

[snow mauve]

Sure I guess

[stone nexus]

kk

[snow mauve]

Tho what's useful is

In season 2

We will see what happens

Before hn2

[stone nexus]

oh nice

[snow mauve]

And season 2 will have hn2 around it

[stone nexus]

cool

[snow mauve]

Like Quentin arriving

The guest with cultists

Theo in prison

Just lots of stuff to dig in

[stone nexus]

ok that reminds me of a question

what does the guest have to do in all this

like what part does he play in the story

[snow mauve]

Everything

[stone nexus]

explain

[snow mauve]

Well in HNVR he wants Ted for obvious reasons

And the cutlists praise him as some god

Which i guess they work for him

The guest wants take everything the town doesn't deserve

[stone nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-hello-neighbor2-guest-dance-crowman-gif-27439431

[snow mauve]

He's pretty much the "bad" luck

The main one

[stone nexus]

ah so like a black crow is a bad omen

he's like the baddest omen then

[snow mauve]

Yep

[stone nexus]

so he's the puppeteer then

[snow mauve]

The main curse in town

[stone nexus]

and raven brooks are the puppets

but hes bts

[snow mauve]

Yep

He wants chaos!

[stone nexus]

so then what's the cultist's job/motive

same as the guest i assume?

[snow mauve]

Yep

[stone nexus]

k

[snow mauve]

They just want power

To control the world ig

[stone nexus]

bwahaha

[snow mauve]

Just your generic villian ig

[stone nexus]

lol

[snow mauve]

They want all the luck while the town doesn't

[stone nexus]

but in raven form

pun intended

anyways

im gonna assume hello engineer is just a fun game without any lore attatched to it?

[snow mauve]

There's barely any lore in that game

It's just a very weird game

[stone nexus]

just mariokart but it came to raven brooks lol

i think the devs made that game purely for fun

bc they might have gotten tired of all the lore

idk

@snow mauve then what about hnd

[snow mauve]

HND is just Nicky remembering about his past

Not much really

[stone nexus]

past?

[snow mauve]

It takes place after Hn1 act 3

[stone nexus]

ohh okay

so then it was like him remembering missions he went on

to investigate kinda

[snow mauve]

The game is just a retelling about how he used to be friends with aaron

[stone nexus]

oh yeah

lol ok

[snow mauve]

It retells book 1

Pretty much

[stone nexus]

yeah then ima just read book 1

i dont want to pay for the rest of the game just to re-read book 1

also why is everyone asking for hn2 stuff if its already out

what am i missing here

[snow mauve]

They want more patch 10 news

That's why lol

They need to be patient

[stone nexus]

oh so like bug fixes and stuff

[snow mauve]

Well no

Because we're expecting a story expansion

Since that's what the devs are cooking

[stone nexus]

ohh okay

cool

[snow mauve]

Expanding hello neighbor 2's story and gameplay

After that cliffhanger ending we currently have..

[stone nexus]

well ill get back to you after i watch the as and read some books

[snow mauve]

Good luck

[stone nexus]

i just started playing it so idk

[stone nexus]

i'll need it lol

[lyric zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-robert-e-fuller-hi-hey-cute-gif-23499730

Badger Theory must be expanded

[stone nexus]

whazzat

[lyric zephyr]

The Mayor is a badger too

[stone nexus]

what does a badger have to do with anything

like cool they're badgers so what

[lyric zephyr]

It has to do with EVERYTHING.. Badgers are the true things controlling Raven Brooks, even above the Cult in power…

You just don’t get it…

[stone nexus]

yeah bc, like i mentioned before, i'm lore-dumb

[snow mauve]

You ruined the joke now

By exposing

[stone nexus]

bruh

[lyric zephyr]

No I didn’t what are you talking about…

[snow mauve]

Ohhhh retro..

[lyric zephyr]

Nothing happened…

[stone nexus]

now i see...

the badgers are above the cultists then

good to know

[lyric zephyr]

Yes exactly

They’re the true secret society running the town, if not the entire world

[stone nexus]

but its just a theory for now right

[lyric zephyr]

Soon it will be fact, I just need more evidence…

[stone nexus]

gotcha

[lyric zephyr]

@eager glade Mind deleting this guy's messages? It's a Nitro scam

[snow mauve]

Nah bro

It's free bobux

I want free bobux!!!

[lyric zephyr]

[supple coral]

oh sure acting like the badgers are in control of raven brooks and not Nyarlathotep of the domain known as the Collective Unconscious

[dawn idol]

Found in alpha Act 3
Can you see it remember 1003063 I had to hide it they might find out

[muted moon]

weve only gotten at most a third of the game so far

[thin wadi]

I cannot believe this information

[snow mauve]

NOPE

Nope

Nah

We don't know yet

Mind as well wait and see

[cold gull]

I think it might be delroy

Cuz, one day i had a dream where Mayor was Delroy's dad, and they both served for the cult and i think that got really stuck in my head until it's proven otherwise 🦈

Probably non-sense, but I heavily bet for this one

[manic dirge]

It’s cannon

Trust

[stiff spire]

that's what I said too a long time ago

[shell gull]

It’s mixed there’s multiple pieces of evidence, biggest piece was in the Post Mortem where it labeled the traitor as Ivan.

[stone nexus]

question already answered but thanks

[cold gull]

Amazing

What if Alex meant that the AS has GOT plot inspiration due to delroy being the secret neighbor and also getting redeemed, leaving the cult path the mayor had planned for him. Like, he once said he would have to earn his place

In the club

I like this delroy theory

[stiff spire]

maybe

[nocturne spindle]

JUEGO KK

[past vine]

There is this 9 yr old discord kid acts like a bot (2 yr old)

[light citrus]

Nice lore!!

[fallow spade]

I think the guest is the shadow man and Theodore Peterson's brother

[muted moon]

the thing (the shadow man) is nickys trauma

not the guest

[fallow spade]

but we see him in welcome to raven brooks animation

[muted moon]

yes because nicky has trauma

[fallow spade]

https://youtu.be/3V2KDtPQfUk?si=Tu852eMcWt4qxsaS

[muted moon]

that isnt the thing

[fallow spade]

?

?

?

???

how?

[muted moon]

because the thing is nickys trauma

its confirmed by the devs

[fallow spade]

hmm ok

[muted moon]

also the one here doesnt have glowing eyes

[fallow spade]

but who is that shadow guy?

[muted moon]

nickys trauma

wait you mean coming from the purple beam

ok thats just the guest

probably

[fallow spade]

https://hello-neighbor.fandom.com/wiki/The_Thing#Welcome_to_Raven_Brooks

i found this

[muted moon]

yes that is nickys trauma

[fallow spade]

its says:A possible appearance as Theodore's brother when a mysterious pink light apears from a large pit.

[muted moon]

yes and that is misinfomation

[fallow spade]

ok

you have secret neighbor?

[muted moon]

yes

[fallow spade]

can we play?

[muted moon]

no

[fallow spade]

why?

[muted moon]

because this is lore discussion

not secret neighbor discussion

[fallow spade]

i know

sorry

[narrow haven]

Well that sounds rude

[narrow haven]

That Lore sounds lory to me

Love the theory

[ripe berry]

ok makes sense Polls are banned from this server, was just testing to make sure

[manic dirge]

I hope there’s a channel for it

[woeful orchid]

Plot Twist: Nikita Kolesnikov is actually Aaron Peterson. Years later, Aaron decided to create a game about his father, he changed his name to Nikita Kolesnikov, and with TinyBuild on his side, he brought to us this amazing franchise

||I uncovered the true lore behind HN||

[stiff spire]

I can imagine that happening ngl

[muted moon]

and the alphas are what happened to random people who met nikitas dad/the neighbor

[sinful flint]

nikita's dad after his life gets retconned again: damn it...

[manic dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-jaden-williams-gif-26669088

[earnest bear]

dumb theory I had about the act 3 house. but the front of the house is a scrude up version of Nicky's house and the inside f1 is wat looks like a haunted house with how liner it is. f4(day night night) is a version of the inside of Nicky's house with a bit of a factory in there and with Nicky's room(NOT AARON´s) the rest looks like a theme park and f8(magnet room) looks's like a bit of the basement or a factory.

so act 3 has almost nothing to do with the neighbor's house or the Neighbor he's just there.

PS: floor 2 looks like an house that Nicky has been too before.

[undone compass]

Hello, tell me, if I reinstall Windows with an unfinished mod in the modkit, will it be saved?

[silver cargo]

I love HN modkit lore.

[muted moon]

nicky becomes god and creates a house

[manic dirge]

HN ModKit has lore? REAL???????

[tribal talon]

Invisible nicky goes to angry neighbor 3d's house for an island vacation in mixed art. what happens next is shocking

[manic dirge]

🤯

[tribal talon]

vgn has all the lore details of the modkit.

[muted moon]

theory: hes the man who has the weird behaviour

[narrow haven]

Did yall see the new cartoon posts the guest got a knife now

[muted moon]

cult

a cult member got a knife

the guest did not

[wicked heath]

That is not the Guest

[narrow haven]

Oh

My bads yalls

Didn't think the mayor or Gerda were killing kids and Mrs abinante and leslie

Well not sure if abinante is dead

But I hope she is

[wicked heath]

Surely the black cloaks in the Mayor’s secret room isnt anything to worry about, right folks?

[narrow haven]

Ofc

Nothing to worry about

Js doing it for Halloween

in april.

[manic dirge]

#mods-and-fangames-help

[narrow haven]

Hauh

[muted moon]

you forgot about the modkit lore!!!!!!

[snow mauve]

Well you see..

That is the birb man

Not a cult memberr

[muted moon]

its not the guest though

[snow mauve]

It is silly

It fr is

[quartz remnant]

Who is the guy from Alpha 1?

And pre alpha

?

[opal steeple]

non-canon

placeholder

[manic dirge]

The pre alpha man. Fans gave him the name "Andrew". In HN alpha 1 you crash your car and go into a coma and you dream that you move into a new house. The neighbor symbolizes the devil in Alpha 1 and at the end when The neighbor buries you alive is when you die in the coma.

Alpha 1 is filled with Andrews memories.

[thin wadi]

Andrew did some... dark stuff

If the things inside the neighbor's house are really made to reflect his memories

[manic dirge]

Yeah...

It's implied that he killed a teacher

[woeful orchid]

nice lore

#hello-neighbor or #off-topic

[quartz remnant]

Cool

[snow mauve]

Most people thought back then when Leslie was revealed

[wicked heath]

Yeah. Thats artstyle for you

[sage orchid]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1107561261186699355/1226783553854111744/SPOILER_MarioFreak2001_-_1777135595078185365.gif

jk

[stiff spire]

true

[snow mauve]

LMAO

[ripe berry]

the lore

[left dew]

Why there are here ?

[snow mauve]

Because

Simming!!!

Duh

Gotta be remembered

[left dew]

So there are canon

[snow mauve]

Duh

Hn2 exists for a reason

[left dew]

But there are in an alpha

[snow mauve]

Alphas aren't canon

[left dew]

But why there are in Nicky dairies

[snow mauve]

Because

They exist silly

Even in HN2 full game has their missing posters

[left dew]

Ok

[wicked heath]

alpha 1.5 isnt canon. But these characters exist still

[light summit]

Why wasn’t this guy used?

[muted moon]

he is

he has already been teased to be in the next hn2 update

the patch 10 teaser of mith

[stiff spire]

ngl mith is one of the coolest characters in the franchise he's mysterious

[left dew]

Ok

[cold gull]

Fr

[glad hornet]

based

[shell gull]

Not really a teaser, just shows him before his death, which we can hear in one of the tapes.

At least that’s the current assumption but it’s pretty clear he’s dead, literally.

[shell gull]

MITH did technically get used, he’s supposed to be M.J. (Missing Journalist), who was the person who Quentin was replacing, he went missing for finding out too much of The Cult, ended up being killed and buried in the Abandoned Church which is one of The Cult grounds, there’s a picture that currently is most likely showing his Death, while one of the Tapes (Unsure which one it was, might have to check) showed a Recording of him before the Death (Picture shows M.J./MITH Taking pictures, Tape plays noises of someone frantically taking Pictures in presumably a Forest due to background audio).

Also every Tape was made and taken by M.J.

[ripe berry]

I don't get why they killed off both MitH and Beatrix

[shell gull]

While I am pissed about it, they knew they couldn’t really use them, so to bring closure to the Community they just would rather kill them off, which in turn is a Cheap way of both using them but barely.

[snow mauve]

Because they suck

And useless

[ripe berry]

this reminds me of my tape timeline
White Tape (Peterson seems to have escaped jail and the Cops + MJ are informed (MJ overhear the Mayor's Part of the convo))
Package Recording (MJ goes to the house to find evidence when Ted shows up and chases MJ into the bushes in the Forest)
Red Tape (Ted monologues while hunting MJ, MJ accidentally reveals himself continuing the hunt)
Yellow Tape (MJ is hiding in the woods when he hears the Guest, so he follows it)
Old Tapes (MJ overhears some form of ritual at the Church involving the Guest)
Purple Tape (MJ goes down to the Catacombs under the church to investigate when the Guest finds him and starts chasing him)
Green Tape (damaged tape with Guest sounding upset at something)
Blue Tape (MJ taking photos of the Guest from a higher point within the Church)
THEYCROW (Unknown)

how can one determine the Blue Tape was at the church? well other then the forest-like sfx there is a random hat high up in the church, with no explanation

the only fitting explanation is that Blue Tape is high up in the church
Which also fits with MJ eemingly going into the catacombs in the Purple Tape, as a cult controlled catacombs segment exists under the church in HN2

look I'm just trying to find things to talk about

[shell gull]

“The only fitting explanation is that the Blue Tape is high up in the Church”

Random chair and hat at the near top of the Church:

(Really obvious how everything ties together here).

[ripe berry]

that's what I meant

the hat, while not a exact match, is very close in style to MitH's Hat

just realized
how does the gnome's damaged vision work in HN2

damaging the cameras reveal symbols not visible normally

and they're pure white so it's not a faded symbol made more obvious through the cameras damage

[muted moon]

theres probably some sort of filter or something, supposed to be removed in a different way, that gets damaged

[ripe berry]

plus the symbols are real to some extent as they are the code to the fountain

[ripe berry]

oh fair, didn't think about that

actually no wait

[shell gull]

Probably a filter made for the Gnomes, mainly for The Cult.

[ripe berry]

no wait yeah
same logic as the ultra violet light in Pre-Alpha

that's a fun way to hide things in plain sight I forgot about

[safe charm]

Hello I see

Your driving yourself insane

Again in hello discussion

[muted moon]

i have the ability to see as well

[safe charm]

Aka hell

The Lore!

[muted moon]

hell of neighbor

[ripe berry]

yep

at least it's not trying to make any form of sense of SotM or that Baldi's Basics ARG

[wicked heath]

There was a baldi ARG…?

[ripe berry]

IS

it hasn't been solved yet

can't find much about it online but I know it involves this site https://www.basicallygames.com/nullcanreturntoyouby

which can be accessed by scrolling down on the basicallygames 404 page

but enough of that since it's Baldi Related and not HN Related

oh wait one last thing about the Baldi stuff before going back to HN
this thread and it's replies have just about everything known currently about the ARG https://twitter.com/cheatexp_/status/1781382628886634997

CHEATING (@cheatexp_) on X

okay. i'm calm. this will be a thread 🧵
there's a new webpage that can be found on the 404 page. it asks for a password with the title
"proof of contextual justification required". note that the bbcr secret message talked about contextual justification

Twitter · Apr 19, 2024, 6:01 PM

anyways

[shut kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/571975077638176789/1231705571875618878/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker_1.gif

better

[tribal talon]

If the books aren’t canon, the correct chronology of hello neighbor games is this?

[sand veldt]

probs

[safe charm]

The books are sorta canon

Just not entirely but their still important

[snow mauve]

Yes this is correct

SN also kinda counts (kids using their imagination thing which takes place before search and rescue)

[shell gull]

There are Two Lores, New Lore and Old Lore, Books and Games except New SN, and HN2 FG are apart of Old Lore, while AS, New SN and HN2 FG are apart of New Lore.

[silver vine]

Along with HN1 and HNHS

[signal sentinel]

i have a quesion on the lore

what does the bird man have to do with anything

did he help they neighbor lock his kid in the basement?

[safe charm]

He’s a demonic sorta entity

He’s very manipulative

And he’s implied to be the overarching antagonist of the franchise

[muted moon]

hes a funny bird

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-hello-guest-hello-neighbor2-guest-kra-gif-24906500

[left dew]

What is HN2 FG

[manic dirge]

Hello neighbor 2 full game

[left dew]

Ok

[ripe berry]

switch Hello Engineer and Search and Rescue Around and you'll be correct

Search and Rescue ends with the Act 2 Intro from the perspective of Aaron freeing Nicky

we also have no clue which order Secret Neighbor and Hello Engineer occur

[snow mauve]

Nope

But he wants to haunt/kill (or other things) the neighbor

[snow mauve]

He has everything to do in the lore

He's the main bad luck in town (taking things what he thinks doesn't deserve) and mainly affecting the neighbor's life

[spark tulip]

he's basically the one making everything happen

for example; he guides Quentin the whole game, so that they can finally meet face to face

[snow mauve]

Smart noxified

[spark tulip]

we don't know why Guest is using him, though

[snow mauve]

He knows the loreeee

[spark tulip]

i am.... the LORE MASTER.

[snow mauve]

Nah

[spark tulip]

of HN2.

[snow mauve]

Well I am too!!!

[spark tulip]

erm, no?

[snow mauve]

Erm yes

[snow mauve]

Take this

The hello neighbor diaries charm

[strange lance]

Its actually quite easy.

SN teases HE's rocket ending. HE's rocket ending ends with a hnvr teaser

Boom

[snow mauve]

It sucks

[safe charm]

Mouse do you have any theory on what hn2 story expansion might be besides ruined town

I have no idea how it’s gonna end

[snow mauve]

Depkis kills the guest

Nicky act 3 intro

Then end

🔥

[tribal talon]

in the books guest is neighbor, but books arent canon because of the animated series

[snow mauve]

WRONG

He possessed theo's body after drowning him to death

But sure

[tribal talon]

wait, theo dead in books?

[snow mauve]

DUH

[tribal talon]

i didnt know that lmao

[snow mauve]

Gotta catch up sir

[tribal talon]

i am new in hn fandom

[snow mauve]

Ah

[tribal talon]

tell me aaron is alive in books

[manic dirge]

Basically. He was drowned and then possessed

[snow mauve]

Nobody still knows

What happened to aaron

He wasn't there when theo got drowned to death while thr guest possessing him

[tribal talon]

[tribal talon]

so he escaped(?)

[snow mauve]

nobody knowssss

And we'll never know

Unfortunately since they stopped making books

[tribal talon]

But, what appears in books ends up appearing in games, right?

maybe in a game they will explain

[snow mauve]

I don't knowwww

[snow mauve]

Probably not

[manic dirge]

It actually makes more sense for Aaron to be dead when Ted floods the town

[snow mauve]

Or maybe

[manic dirge]

Because Ted has nothing left

[snow mauve]

He died!

😱

[tribal talon]

i hope no, it is my favourite character

in the books ok, BUT IN THE GAMES NO

[snow mauve]

YES

[tribal talon]

[snow mauve]

Theo and birb

[left dew]

What's the difference between hello neighbor diaries and Nicky diaries

[opal steeple]

there isnt a difference, the full title is "hello neighbor: nicky's diaries"

[ripe berry]

yeah

the only difference is one is the earlier version of the other

[left dew]

Ok thanks

[unkempt sleet]

Okay so
Would it make more sense if HN1 intro is the first time Aaron have thrown into the basement, or if he was already in the basement and managed to escape, and Ted is putting him back

[ripe berry]

This is my exact question about the HN1 Intro (if we're ignoring books)

[unkempt sleet]

Yea, ignoring the books

[ripe berry]

Ted putting him back makes more sense because looking at the time of day it seems at least one full day passes between Mya's Death and HN1 Intro

[snow mauve]

Hn1 is pretty much like AS

[ripe berry]

or not full day

[snow mauve]

Nicky never even knew Aaron

At all

[ripe berry]

but pretty close

[unkempt sleet]

Thats a different subject Depkis

[snow mauve]

I don't careee!!!!

I'm bored okay..

Jeez

[ripe berry]

because Ted buries Mya in the Afternoon
but Act 1 is during the daytime (3:30 PM to be exact)

[unkempt sleet]

Or it might just be a few days

[astral agate]

Wdym?

He did

[ripe berry]

plus Ted needs time to put up the Missing Posters

[snow mauve]

Naw

Buddy

Don't be stoopid

It's obvious

[unkempt sleet]

I'd imagine Ted would try to continue his life normally with Aaron until he got the idea of putting him in the basement

[snow mauve]

At launch he never even knew

[astral agate]

Nicky was always friends with aaron

[snow mauve]

Nah

[astral agate]

It's shown in the books

[snow mauve]

Ignoring the books

Talking about

BEFORE

Books were released

[unkempt sleet]

Can you guys stop wedging a different subject please

[ripe berry]

but notably in HN1 There is no posters of Mya without Aaron

[snow mauve]

Stoopid

[snow mauve]

Tell Froleas

[astral agate]

They were pretty much friends still

[snow mauve]

To shut

[unkempt sleet]

That's true

[snow mauve]

No proof buddy

Besides books

[astral agate]

No proof to tell they weren't friends either really

[ripe berry]

and we see Ted put up a Mya + Aaron poster at seemingly midnight in the Act Finale Scene with no other posters nearby

[snow mauve]

Nicky obviously never met Aaron

Nor interact with him in hn1

[astral agate]

Why would aaron save him them?

As in the cutout

[snow mauve]

Because

Child

[astral agate]

If that even is aaron

[snow mauve]

Want to help

Child

[snow mauve]

Duh

[unkempt sleet]

i think that might because its a nightmare or something, that really doesnt matter anway

[astral agate]

So Aaron obviously care about nicky

[snow mauve]

Well no

He just wanna free the boy out

[ripe berry]

meaning Ted probably covered up Mya's Death around the time Aaron was put in the Basement

[snow mauve]

He got the good in his heart

[astral agate]

So he freed him for no reason?

[snow mauve]

Ye

[unkempt sleet]

Micheal the lore, can we kill Froleas and Depkis

[snow mauve]

All the children must be let out at some point

Than leave the dead behind

[snow mauve]

What i do

[astral agate]

Nah

[snow mauve]

Do you want an apple?

🍎

[astral agate]

I think he does

[snow mauve]

Okay seriously tho I'll leave y'all alone now

Carry on

And uh Froleas sucks

[ripe berry]

hold on, let me check the 1996 calendar (HN1 Act 1 must be in 1996 as it's after May and the Milk Cartons are dated MARCH 1997)

looking at a 1996 calendar Ted does have a few days before Mya's disappearance would be obvious

since something tells me everyone would start notice if Mya wasn't at school anymore

[unkempt sleet]

True

[ripe berry]

does give Ted a few days before he HAS to cover up Mya's death, and thus a few days after HNHS where Aaron can just be in the house normally

[unkempt sleet]

So would he start putting up Missing Posters while Aaron is in the house normally, or would he first put Aaron in the basement, then put up the posters

[ripe berry]

not sure on that

[unkempt sleet]

The second feels more like the smarter thing to do

[ripe berry]

probably lock Aaron up first to remove as much suspicion as possible

[unkempt sleet]

I mean you wouldnt go around putting Missing Posters of your son, while your son has the possibility of being seen by someone

[ripe berry]

since someone could spot Aaron at home while Ted is putting up the posters

(same thought process)

[unkempt sleet]

Yea lmao

Then that would mean HN1 intro is not the first time

[ripe berry]

We're discussing pre-book lore btw MouseFlash so don't mix in Book stuff since we haven't made a single reference to something outside of the origin HN1-HNHS Timeline

[ripe berry]

even before the Books existed it couldn't be

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[ripe berry]

it just doesn't make any logical sense any other way

[ripe berry]

even factoring in the calendars it couldn't make sense

[unkempt sleet]

Aaron was somehow able to escape for a second so that HN1 intro can happen

[safe charm]

Aaron your omen

Shut up

[manic dirge]

My thoughts are that Ted went into the basement and Aaron ran up the stairs.

[unkempt sleet]

That makes me think of the conditions of Aaron's basement time
Like, i dont think Ted keeps the door locked all the time

He has to give food or something

[manic dirge]

That’s probably the only time

[ripe berry]

he locks the door when Nicky shows up meaning he has to unlock it at some point

[unkempt sleet]

True

[ripe berry]

and for the food thing we can see chinese food and soda cans in the fake room

(dunno what else to call it)

[unkempt sleet]

it's funny that the basement door is associated with boarded up boards but in reality, it was never boarded up when Aaron was inside

[ripe berry]

proving Ted does provide food to Aaron

[unkempt sleet]

Oh yea, i forgot about that

[manic dirge]

Wasn’t it bolted shut in the books?

Or was that the cellar?

[unkempt sleet]

i dont remember tbh

[ripe berry]

something also tells me that the dream sequence in Act 1 where Ted is looking for Aaron is actually occuring side-by-side with the Intro bit before the Scream

[manic dirge]

Because I swear the main door was screwed shut

At one point

[ripe berry]

since both scenes occur in the Living Room

[unkempt sleet]

Oh that would make sense actually

Aaron escapes and hides

But Ted finds him

[ripe berry]

causing the Scream Nicky hears

making Nicky witness Ted locking Aaron up in the Basement

[unkempt sleet]

Though why would you hide if you were able to escape, wouldnt he straight up go outside

[manic dirge]

Panicked

[ripe berry]

reminder that Aaron is a child
he may not always make the brightest decisions

[manic dirge]

He’s a child

[unkempt sleet]

True

[ripe berry]

especially considering he's traumatized

[unkempt sleet]

The child

[ripe berry]

and yes that is the Living Room

while it doesn't perfectly fit the description of the Living Room

it has both Blue Walls and a Couch, a trait only the Living Room has

[unkempt sleet]

mm i love Hello Lore

[ripe berry]

with that couch being placed on the opposite side of a table-like object that a kid could reasonably hide under

[manic dirge]

Hello Dad lore mmmmm

NOT

[unkempt sleet]

This Converse will be very helpful for my hello lore document

Nooo auto correct

[ripe berry]

ok the couch thing could also be true upstairs but the Table thing kinda confirms it to be the Living Room

the hello lore document

[unkempt sleet]

Okay so, i have a question again, but this one doesnt really matter that much. Do we think HNVR cutscene where Guest first tries to deal with Aaron, and Aaron escapes is happening after Aaron got thrown into the basement in HN1 Act 1 intro

[unkempt sleet]

😭

[ripe berry]

however I will point out that Ted for some reason runs from the side into the Room Aaron's hiding in in the Nightmare Cutscene, meaning no room perfectly fits Aaron's hiding spot in the Nightmare

[unkempt sleet]

it's not supposed to be %100 accurate anyway, its a nightmare after all

[ripe berry]

yeah, the Living Room is just the closest fit to the room shown

I'm trying to trigger the nightmare so I can look at the room in better detil

honestly the biggest question is where did Ted get the extra chair from

(basically Ted has a extra chair in Act 1 to block Mya and Aaron's Room off with)

[unkempt sleet]

Chairs appearing out of nowhere

No way, Secrets of the Machine reference, Hello Bendy 2 confirmed

[ripe berry]

it's not native to that room since you can check in HNHS and see every other object is in the exact place it was in in HNHS Stage 1

but this chair is nowhere to be found

it's also too big to be in any of the boxes we see in HNHS

finally triggered a nightmare but it's the Car Crash one

Detail I never noticed before: in the Car Crash Scene before it goes to TVs Hanging it has a Staircase hanging and Nicky's Fridge hanging

[unkempt sleet]

Love writing lore

[ripe berry]

ok while trying to trigger the other Nightmare I clipped Ted into his own car

HN1 is certaintly a game...

[manic dirge]

Yep

[unkempt sleet]

This is now canon

[ripe berry]

ok finally managed to get into the second nightmare

ok yeah there's no room in the house with a Baseball in Act 1
nor Nicky's Phone

HN1 does mostly pay attention to detail but this is not one of those times

and I mean it
they bothered to place a animation for a Cabinent falling over in Act Finale when the Thing shows up to prevent players from getting too far away from where the fight begins

they bothered to write out a entire eviction notice IN WAYRON CROOBIAN

this is just like the Basement Door changing colors in the middle of Act 1

[unkempt sleet]

Basement door changing what

[ripe berry]

for context:
The Basement Door is Yellow/Orange normally in Act 1

on both sides

but once you're in the Basement the door is randomly white now

[unkempt sleet]

Lmao, ive never noticed that

Thats funny

[ripe berry]

it's even repeated in Act 3

[manic dirge]

And the the door color changes between act 1 and hnh&s

It was yellow. Then it was brown

[ripe berry]

the HNHS one is less noticable since you never usually see the Basement Door in Gameplay

[manic dirge]

True

But I just wanted to point that out

It changes from yellow to brown to red

[ripe berry]

actually

timeline-wise it goes

Brown - Yellow - Red

[manic dirge]

Yes. I’m talking game release wise

[ripe berry]

it also suddenly gets damaged by HN2

[manic dirge]

Yes. Retcon is fun.

Not a big deal though

[unkempt sleet]

HN2 basement door is the best basement door

I liked that they used the same design in HNVR too

[manic dirge]

Yeah true

I liked the red door and brown door the most

I don’t really like the yellow door

[ripe berry]

also gotta love how in the Basement chase cutscene Ted shuts the door but then in the actual chase the door's still open

[manic dirge]

Wait really?

[ripe berry]

yeah

also gotta love how timeline-wise the Basement Door goes
Brown and Not Damaged
Yellow/Orange and Not Damaged
White(?) and Not Damaged
Red and Damaged
Yellow/Orange and Not Damaged
Red and Damaged

because in Act 2 it's Yellow/Orange

also gotta love how Act 2 has a lot of canon props Act 1 doesn't

like Diane's Purse ONLY exists in Act 2

and Act 3

and yes you hear me right
Diane's Purse is in-fact in Act 2

hidden ontop of the Closet in the Living Room

that's where the Purse is

[ripe berry]

also thinking about it

how does Ted set up the puzzles in HN2

I mean in the Museum

he can't get Aaron up to the Attic if the Bear Head's already in the Library Room

but if the Bear Head's not in the Library Room how does he get it in

the library's locked and has 0 other entrances

the only way for this to be able to occur is if the last event in the sequence is the door being Locked

but it's said in-game the Keys are Stolen in a Article likely written by MJ years prior to the base game

You know what
Imma brainstorm ways for this timeline to work out
in the words of the fictional character Sherlock Holmes: "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

[unkempt sleet]

Sherlock Homles

[ripe berry]

I feel like I made a typo

OH it's Holmes not Homles

[unkempt sleet]

Sherlock Homles is now the Sherlock Holmes of the HN Universe

[ripe berry]

na it's Herscull Mouhles

[shell gull]

He ain’t dead, in that case he’s be a toting corpse, he was possessed after getting drowned unconscious.

[ripe berry]

just realized that the HN1 School Graffiti is in Wayron Croobian (the "Luck you!" one)

(wait this isn't lore related)

so uoy is Wayron Croobian for you

(also yes I finally found a way to take images from my console and port them to Discord)

goodnight chat

[manic dirge]

It’s for gameplay.

That’s the only way

[ripe berry]

Random Question but what (if anything) do the symbols on (I dunno it's official name so Imma call it) the Occult Book in HNHS Stage 4 Mean?

(this is the best image I have of it)

If you don't remember this book it's the one used to create Zombies to give some brains from some bushes in Stage 4
I mainly care because this was the first time in HN that Eye Symbols were connected to the supernatural, even predating the Mayak Event!

the Eye Symbol has been connected to just about everything else supernatural in the HN Universe
Guest - HN2 Beta promo material has a Eye Symbol with the Guest in it, HN2A1/1.5 Map is shaped like a Eye (and is officially "Guest World"), and the Coin he has in HN2 Patch 9 has a eye Symbol on it
Mayak - SN Event and the design of the Building in HG/SN and AS
The Cult - Fountain Park shaped like a Eye and Eye Paintings found in every building owned by a Cultist/Ex-Cultist in HN2, with the Forest Protector Crest in the Mayor's House having originally been a Eye Painting
Also one of the Librarian Paintings has a eye symbol

[muted moon]

the guest also has an eye on it on the beta barn pinboard, as well as in the hg exe icon

and one of the buttons in the catacombs fountain puzzle has an eye on it

[ripe berry]

oh wait yeah

forgot to mention those

[ripe berry]

honestly at this point I almost want to say the eye symbol is just used to represent the supernatural

[manic dirge]

This one right?

[ripe berry]

yep

[ripe berry]

it's been connected to everything but the Golden Apple Coins at this point

[manic dirge]

true

[muted moon]

actually, theres a golden apple coin in the catacombs, and one of the symbols of the code to get in is an eye

its all connected

[muted moon]

ITS ALL CONNECTED.

i could do more, but it got too messy

[ripe berry]

the insanity

[muted moon]

guys this is my epic new theory: hn2 coma theory

basically since hn2 puzzles make literally no sense with story in mind, i think that after the creepy ai driven peterson bashed quentins head in with a shovel, he was in a coma for the entirety of hn2. real. this is my epic theory please like and subscribe for more epic theory 😎

and layout v2 represents the hospital staff not caring about him and the guest represents the guest from hello guest 2

and ruined town and forest represent his anxiety in hello guest 2

real

[tribal talon]

fake

[muted moon]

no fake

[tribal talon]

ok

[muted moon]

also act 3 is gonna be hello guest 3

real

no fake

[tribal talon]

ok

[cold gull]

Peak theory

I think it's canon fr

[manic dirge]

Real

[sinful flint]

Bro think he quentin!!! From hello 2

[prisma mountain]

hello 2

[spark tulip]

i can hear the launch trailer music through this image...

[wicked heath]

I hardly can

[ripe berry]

you know: the biggest question I have is still what the heck is going on with SN Map 4 in the SN Canon

it has to be after HNVR since Ted's House is a Crime Scene and they know about the fake room in the Basement but the whole plot of SN relies on Nicky being in the Basement

• Ted's labeled as Missing/Wanted

Map 4 is a anomaly in the lore of Secret Neighbor

you can't argue "by this logic they saw the neighbor get shot/hung/Stabbed/Turned into a Ghost" because the Fake Room in the Basement is a very specific thing to know about

and it in particular is the ONLY part of the Basement labelled a Crime Scene

funny how just like in HN2 in SN there's a anomaly in Ted's Basement that has to do with the Police

[ripe berry]

even when it released this map already was the biggest anomaly in the game's lore
even in the AS Timeline this map's a anomaly, no wonder Alex made the SN Maps "non-canon"!

#hello-neighbor message

[ripe berry]

the only way for Map 4 to exist if Nicky somehow... got kidnapped... again?

at least assuming Map 4 works under the same "find Nicky" goal as Maps 1-3

if not then the Map's no longer a anomaly

[wooden hollow]

I've never thought about that

I guess SN is probably just like FNAF AR where the concept is canon but details aren't

[snow mauve]

SN is uselesssss

For piece of lore

[wooden hollow]

SN is Secret Neighbor

[ripe berry]

wdym FNaF AR isn't canon?