lore-discussion

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[ripe berry]

You'd expect that if you're living in a Museum with very little food to eat

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[cobalt axle]

I want a HN game in which we are in the future again and Nicky and the gang need to stop the Guest once and for all

[ripe berry]

Not to mention he has to keep Aaron alive up in the Attic

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[ripe berry]

I know that's a bit young but we can't deny the creator's word

[cobalt axle]

Makes sense since… that one event…

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[thin wadi]

Do we have any identity for the HN2 A1.5 kids? Other than alien kid likely being gerda

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[cobalt axle]

I assume Peterson is pretty old in act 3, maybe starting to get gray hair

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[thin wadi]

Also what was their story again? They were out tricker treating and then they got lost or intentionally went somewhere they knew were dangerous

And then only one returned

?

[ripe berry]

No wait I messed up it was 47

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[ripe berry]

Yep

[cobalt axle]

Quentin is like

In his 50‘s

In act 3

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[thin wadi]

Dang

Maybe that's why the cult wants aaron

They want children

[cobalt axle]

I assume he is in his 30‘s in HN2

So it makes sense

[thin wadi]

He looks like he's in his 30s if you ask me

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[cobalt axle]

That is if the cult didn‘t sacrifice him

If Quentin is still alive in act 3 then he‘d be in his 60‘s

[ripe berry]

Quentin seems to still be alive

[cobalt axle]

Let‘s hope so

[ripe berry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9a_zMzzgAM

At the very least he doesn't die in the HN2 Ending

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[ripe berry]

Moved back to the Big City

[safe charm]

Ok

[ripe berry]

That's my bet

[safe charm]

Can somebody please explain a moment in book 1 i asked about

In the server a lot

[manic dirge]

yeah thank god

[safe charm]

At mr Peterson house after diane funeral nicky sees mr Peterson inside his bedroom squiching his face and saying stuff like no please dont

Is that just him going insane or is it something Else

[cobalt axle]

I assume our next story update gonna continue after our encounter with the Guest?

[burnt forge]

theere is a secret website of WCN7

from hn2 quientines office

[ripe berry]

The next story update is going to continue off directly from where HN2 left off

[cobalt axle]

So probably what we just saw is the introduction

[ripe berry]

www.helloneighbor2.com/rbbarchives ?

[safe charm]

By what book of the nicky trilogy

Is mr Peterson completely insane in your opinion

[ripe berry]

Password hatcherywingate in all caps

[cobalt axle]

The cult kidnapping him and having him tied to a chair or something

[safe charm]

Like already in book 2

Or maybe book 3

[thin wadi]

Is he talking to Thing or to the Guest? I wouldn't think the guest would have existed yet because he wasn't in a bunch of grief just yet (his wife had only just died)

[ripe berry]

Yeah most of us already know about the Raven Brooks Banner Website

[safe charm]

Mya

Too

Actually

[cobalt axle]

Sounds like the Shadow Man

[ripe berry]

Fun fact: The Tape Drawing on the site leads to a hidden video if you click on it

[safe charm]

So yeah

Ik that for a fact becouse

[thin wadi]

No before mya, at Diane's funeral she's still alive so who is ge talking too

[safe charm]

Nicky makes mention of where

Is mya

And that shes gone

[thin wadi]

Mya dues after the funeral

[safe charm]

Nope

[thin wadi]

Dies

She doesn't?

[safe charm]

No

Thats fact

[thin wadi]

But hnhs

[safe charm]

Well a funeral

[ripe berry]

(Me personally I theorize this password is a name "Hatcher Y. Wingate" and belongs to the Journalist before Quentin that disappeared without a trace likely due to the cult mere days before HN2 Starts

[safe charm]

Doesnt always have to be

Direct

After someone died

[thin wadi]

Source?

[safe charm]

Its usually a week or days

[safe charm]

The book

Itself

Nicky ask

Aaron if he has seen mya

And aaron becomes frozen

[ripe berry]

In Books Mya dies the same Month as Diane iirc

[thin wadi]

But in the game Diane dies and Mr Peterson arrives home and then mya dies some time later

[safe charm]

Yes

What is the problem

[ripe berry]

Unlike in the games where there's a 1 month 2 day gap between the deaths

[safe charm]

Let me explain

So diane dies

Then mya dies

The dianes funeral happens

And mr Peterson is obviously going insane he lost both of his family members in such a short span of time

[thin wadi]

Makes sense

I haven't read the books in like 2 years

So I didn't remember

[safe charm]

Mr Peterson breakdown is actually sad

Becouse nicky says it looks like he wanted to scream

But there was just a faint sound like a pig squil

And he was pressing his face so hard it was red

[thin wadi]

Deaths at the hands of Peterson:

• Whatever happened in Germany
• Lucy Yi
• Diane
• Mya
• Who else?

[manic dirge]

bosco bay

[thin wadi]

True

Almost forgot that one

[safe charm]

So what so you Think broke mr Peterson fully dianes or myas

Death

[thin wadi]

Both

[ripe berry]

Joe was the true first confirmed death in HN

[thin wadi]

Its joever

[safe charm]

Was he ever meant to be insane originaly

Didnt seem like that in hn1 and hide and seek

More like he wanted to protect his last family member

[thin wadi]

Mr Peterson has been known to unintentionally cause the death of others around him, I hate how in the AS apparently he just is a straight up killer

[opal jackal]

Joe who

[thin wadi]

Dead by neighbor when

[safe charm]

Are you sure he is

Though

The store Guy might have been dead Already

[thin wadi]

I'm not, but everyone keeps saying that

[safe charm]

The killer

[ripe berry]

Time to :trol: this man

[thin wadi]

Oh true he does do this

He really likes shovels

[manic dirge]

quintin:

[ripe berry]

don't forget the AS Clip where he beats up Otto to steal a crow

[safe charm]

Leslie dies and then revives

In hn2

[safe charm]

Send

Please lol again

[opal jackal]

His name is QUENTIN

[safe charm]

He even laughs while beating up Otto

[manic dirge]

which makes me start to wonder. is hn2 gonna be seperate from AS in patch 9?

[safe charm]

Doubt that

[opal jackal]

HN2 will follow AS lore

[safe charm]

Alex Said he wanted AS to wrap

Everything together

In the post mortem including hn2

[tribal talon]

don't forget the clip where Otto gets brutally killed by a gorilla 😇

[opal jackal]

Alex literally said that AS will be the baseline for future HN projects

New lore is here to stay

Like it or not

[manic dirge]

😭

[thin wadi]

Guys is there any meaning for the WANTED Mr Peterson signs that are out of bound in map 4 of SN?
Especially since map 4 is technically the 'canon' map in SN

[safe charm]

Imagine AS wraps all games together and suprises

Us

[ripe berry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfNWQi_zPFs

[opal jackal]

I find it interesting how Alex said "future HN projects"
Like
Does that mean we'll get a HN3?

[tribal talon]

I don't trust Alex so much but well... We'll see

[safe charm]

I kinda hope not maybe if its more like old hn2

I might accept a hn3

But if not Nah

[thin wadi]

Hn1 remake possibly

[opal jackal]

Alex literally is one of the main AS people

[safe charm]

Why is mr Peterson sudenly

Pure evil

In AS

[opal jackal]

I doubt he'd lie about AS

[tribal talon]

well, you can expect a lot from Alex

[shell gull]

Goofy ahh

[bleak spear]

<@&474312730673807360> this guy is saying some very bad stuff (sorry if i'm not supposed to ping, the rules made me think it was ok in this situation)

[ripe berry]

!

What have I came back to?

[bleak spear]

how has nobody done anything yet
its been 6 minutes

[bleak spear]

bad things

well it appears all of the mods are offline

do you think it would be ok to @ a helper?

[ripe berry]

Yeah

In this situation at least

I've seen this stuff before but WAY worse then what's here and no one got in trouble for pinging people to try to help deal with it so I think it's ok

[bleak spear]

@thin wadi sorry abt ping, but could you deal w/ this guy?

i would @ the role but i cant for some reason??

[ripe berry]

Yeah I was going to do that too but for some reason you can't @ the helper role

[bleak spear]

Yeah, they should probably change that

anyways, i'm gonna go to #pets for some eyeblech, cya!

[ripe berry]

Same, if I come back here in a few minutes and nothing's happened I'll ping the other helper for help

[bleak spear]

👍

ok they dealt with it, thanks whoever did :)

[thin wadi]

👍

[ripe berry]

tysm Afro, very cool of you B)

[shell gull]

Ey problem solved

I DMd Jacky on it but she was offline

But 👍🏻

[thin wadi]

This is why we have helpers

so Jacky can rest

[manic dirge]

literally no one asked

[pliant estuary]

what did he say?

that's 2 people to be banned in the last week for saying something offensive, I was there for the first one

[thin wadi]

Btw when pinging mods or helpers for something like this you don't need to be sorry

You're helping us by pointing it out

[manic dirge]

it was that fnaf lore is better than hn lore

[pliant estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/incomprehensible-rage-rage-cat-angry-red-filter-gif-26249186

[manic dirge]

ikr

[safe charm]

Hi

@shell gull

[shell gull]

Yeah

[safe charm]

So okay first of all what reveals guest is a manifestation in hnvr only

[shell gull]

Him tormenting Ted.

[safe charm]

Why is theodore floating around with a key

In the basement

Or nest

[shell gull]

He’s in The Nest areas

[safe charm]

How did he get there and when

[shell gull]

Like I said it isn’t the actual Nest but areas leading into it

[safe charm]

So it’s

Mostly the basement but nest is leaking

Into it basically

[shell gull]

Like I said areas to The Nest areas, are usually common with gateways, The Underground, has Millions of Gateways.

So…

I think there would be quite a bit of ways to The Nest Areas.

[safe charm]

So does guest want power

Like to be powerful

[shell gull]

Yeah

[safe charm]

In hnvr do he become more powerful

[shell gull]

I mean after connecting to Ted yeah.

[safe charm]

Did his connection not only change mr Peterson did it change the guest as well?

Like did he learn stuff from his mine

[shell gull]

Yeah

Mr. Peterson is now Tormented always, and The Guest now gets more powerful doing nothing.

[safe charm]

Damn lol

[safe charm]

So did he literally just touch him

And he made a connection

[shell gull]

Yeah, pretty much, there’s most likely more to it, but yeah.

Technically Ted just submit to The Guest.

[safe charm]

So was hnvr the first time the guest wasn’t in crow form you think or has

He been humanoid

Before

[shell gull]

He’s always been able to turn into a Crow I’m pretty sure, earliest date would say HNHS where he only appeared in Crow Form.

[safe charm]

So did the connection mostly affect guest or mr Peterson

[shell gull]

And we know he got his form from the G.A.M.

[shell gull]

Both

Set Ted on his Vengeance

And Set The Guest on his Win

[safe charm]

So is the guest literally born from ted

In a way

[shell gull]

Yeah

He’s technically Ted himself in a figure of speech

He’s Teds Emotions

[safe charm]

The second nightmare is it showing the guest manifesting for the first time

You think

[shell gull]

Kinda

[safe charm]

I’m very confused what it’s supposed to symbolize tbh

If it’s showing the guest being a manifestation

Or that he just want’s something from ted

[shell gull]

Just The Guest wanting to Torment Ted, but Mainly that The Guest is after gaining from him.

[safe charm]

So in gn2

Is guest the costume

Or inside mr Peterson himself

[shell gull]

No

It’s just Story Logic

We’ve seen similar stuff in other GNs or Movies

It’s the whole

Get Possessed get some features from the person Possessing you.

[safe charm]

Yeah so it’s not a costume?

[shell gull]

Yeah, it shows that Ted is being controlled by The Guest.

And they aren’t one

But over time

They morph as one

[safe charm]

But why doesn’t he have his beak in one moment in gn2

Is it just symbolic

[shell gull]

?

That’s just gonna look weird

[safe charm]

The one moment where you see mr Peterson

Without the guest face or beak

But wearing the clothes

[shell gull]

Yeah, it’s just because it would look Weird.

[safe charm]

True

Do you think his aware somewhat

Or is guest controlling every action

[shell gull]

I think he knows what’s happening but can’t control it

Anyways

GTG

[safe charm]

Ok bye

[safe charm]

Are

You coming back later

You think

[manic dirge]

bye!

[shell gull]

Uhh

I’m here

[safe charm]

Hi

So in book 2 and 3 Nicky trilogy

Does mr Peterson continue to spiral into insanity

[safe charm]

It was a while

I listened to them and I feel asleep

So I probably missed some few stuff

Like you said he’s not yet insane

After book 1

[shell gull]

Yeah pretty much

[safe charm]

why

[shell gull]

I mean I’d imagine getting tormented by a Crowman, along with other factors, would really suck.

[safe charm]

Oh

True

[safe charm]

So in Aaron trilogy

[shell gull]

Yeah?

[safe charm]

Did he also continue to get more unhinged

Through it

Or is he the same

Ik it’s before Nicky trilogy but you know I never read the Aaron books

[shell gull]

Well, we see glimpses of him being unhinged, during that time he was fighting back against it, but stopped during Nicky’s trilogy, for Example: him talking about how Lucy died to Maritza in the middle of a hallway, then him saying he didn’t know what he was doing and he wasn’t thinking right during the big segment at the end of Book 6.

[safe charm]

Hm

Why did he say that

Was it pshycois

Sorry for the misspelling

[shell gull]

No just him being mentally unstable after him trying to save his family from Bad Luck during that Trilogy.

[shell gull]

NP

[safe charm]

So he was just being mean

Why did he say did you see

Lucy fly

[shell gull]

Yeah, but he said he wasn’t thinking right during that, so just his Insanity leaking out.

[shell gull]

Just him trying to break Maritza.

Like I said his Insanity that lead to Nicky’s Trilogy Leaking out.

[safe charm]

In book 3 doesn’t he literally break into

A store

[shell gull]

Uhh I don’t know about that, but I do know he broke inside of Nicky’s house to plant evidence against him for his plan to break Nicky so he would get into the basement.

[safe charm]

There’s a manaquin

In the store

[shell gull]

Oh yeah

[safe charm]

After the break in

[shell gull]

I think that’s just Ted trying to break Nicky more because he knew he would be there.

[safe charm]

Probably

So was mr Peterson born unhinged lol because he already seem kinda unhinged in book 4

[shell gull]

This was all showing him, not thinking right, as he is just getting unhinged with his ways to make everything right.

[shell gull]

No.

Mostly affected from his life.

[safe charm]

What affected him before book 4

[shell gull]

Causing the loss tons of human lives, his own Parents going missing and getting his life ruined by people he knows has power over the Town, hell his own Family being scared of him.

[safe charm]

Scared?

By him

[shell gull]

I mean we’ve seen his unhinged ways of trying to save his family

[safe charm]

Oh

Right

I thought you meant his parents

[shell gull]

The tapes Nicky found show him just being a horrible person, to Diane and his Kids, this was during Nicky’s Trilogy, and all state do after Aaron messing up.

Via why he’s an Omen to him.

[safe charm]

So he was almost abusive emotionally

[shell gull]

Yup

[safe charm]

What was he about to say to diane

How can I rest

When my brain is_

[shell gull]

“Broken”

Most likely

Just showing how even he knows there’s something wrong with him

[safe charm]

Oh damn

[safe charm]

Didn’t he literally almost get crushed

In gn1

[shell gull]

He was crushed

But survived

And escaped the place

[safe charm]

Omg how

Lmao

[shell gull]

Idk

Anyways

[manic dirge]

just by chance

[shell gull]

This shows how his Emotions Worsens, leading to The Guest.

[safe charm]

Yeah

So like did he physically abuse someone

In his family accidentally

In book 1

[shell gull]

He’s born with almost all his aspects but more, such as Manipulative, Mentally Abusive and extremely Smart, plus all of the extra capabilities he has.

[shell gull]

No?

[manic dirge]

no

[shell gull]

Just being Rude to Diane and stuff

[safe charm]

In AS is he a killer actually

You think

[shell gull]

Most likely not

He just happens to be trying to find dead people, to collect the G.A.C.

[safe charm]

Seen the newest tinyclub member

Thing I can dm you it

Or we’ll explain it

Can I talk about it here you think?

[shell gull]

Ok

[shell gull]

No

[safe charm]

Okay

[long shore]

guys i have like little knowledge on hn lore these days but why do guest help aaron free his friends and why do he see the world in such a weird way in his pov

but then he grabs him at the last second when freeing Nicholas

[bleak spear]

To the best of my knowledge, the part of the basement that is in most of hnvr isnt actually the basement, its a sort of pocket dimension ruled by the guest called the nest, and the guest was manipulating aaron to get to mr peterson

[long shore]

wowzers

thanky

man that gives me even more questions

[shell gull]

Anyone wanna talk AS?

[pliant estuary]

so anyway AS act 3 house is a collective hallucination

or a signal tower transmission

(joke)

[shell gull]

Lol

[snow mauve]

No way

[thin wadi]

no way Act 3 from LN2

[pliant estuary]

they moved Trinity's house to the side so HN1 would make sense. AS is retconning its self

[worn echo]

So, the green house in hn2 is Trinity's house?

[snow mauve]

Okay?

Most of the stuff is still retconned, so don't expect everything to be fixed lol

[snow mauve]

No, that's supposed to be Nicky's house

[shell gull]

No

It’s Nicky’s

[worn echo]

This is confusing

[shell gull]

The Map in HN2 isn’t Canon

Plus HN2 is a Stand Alone

[snow mauve]

Well that's why the animated series shouldn't even exist

Like shit so stupid

[shell gull]

Yeah

It could’ve just been one canon

[snow mauve]

Neither of the hn maps are accurate

[shell gull]

But no

Multiple

[shell gull]

Yeah.

[snow mauve]

So it's always gonna be inconsistent

[pliant estuary]

I never said anything was getting fixed, I just find it hysterical they can't keep consistency

[shut hill]

No way hello fellow opera gx user

[teal imp]

they retconned the retcon?

[ripe berry]

Na according to Alex that was always where it was positioned, but the camera angle in episode 1 makes it look like Nicky's House isn't across the street from Ted, the two houses are offset a bit from being directly across from Ted's House so that they can both be Ted's Neighbor

[teal imp]

still doesnt make sense how trinity was able to confuse ted`s house as her new house

also is Trinity diabetic or not???

[ripe berry]

No clue

That feels like dumb writing

[teal imp]

we see her eat cupcakes but now she cant eat sugar???

like bro alex cant stay consistent with his own lore

[ripe berry]

Yes, episode 4 Cupcakes have no sugar in them according to Alex

[teal imp]

remember alex is known for making up bad lies on the spot

[ripe berry]

"those cupcakes are terrible, no sugar" - Alex | CEO, 12/26/2022

[teal imp]

its probs an oversight and he was like "Oh shit"

[ripe berry]

But still by now they either would've fixed it or made that the canon explanation

[teal imp]

I still dont get why alex is spoiling the entire show

now we know the guest will be in episode 6

[ripe berry]

That comment was made in December 2022, it's Spetember 2023 so he would have almost a entire year to fix it at this point

[ripe berry]

he already spoiled that

Or at least he spoiled Guest showing up in AS and gave us a image of it that ain't in tinyClub

[teal imp]

part of me feels like they added the line about sugar after

seriously if they were listening I hope they at least retconned Nicky not being friends with Aaron

[ripe berry]

I mean it's only implied that they never knew each other

[teal imp]

or they got rid of the "Nicky saves Aaron" thing and not the other way around (this literally contradicts hn1 AND hnvr)

seriously the less retcons in the AS the better

[ripe berry]

Nicky could just not want to bring up Aaron for some reason so he just says "Peterson's Kids"

[teal imp]

that would be odd but this also the same show where they moved up the dates for no reason at all

[ripe berry]

I mean HNVR ain't canon to AS and HN1 is unreliable for the canon Act 2's Events even in the Old Lore timeline

[oblique drum]

tbf how was she supposed to know
shes new to the town so she'd obviously never seen the places before

[teal imp]

I just hope Trinity isnt the protagonist for the entirety of the show I genuinely find her unlikeable especially seeing how they made all the other characters around her worse to make her more interesting

they literally made Enzo`s entire personality liking Trinity

and they removed anything likeable about Nicky

i still dont get why they wanted to make TRINITY be the protagonist out of all the characters

[silver vine]

woah, I never noticed it, thats a nice change actually

[ripe berry]

I feel there will be minor character developments for most of the AS cast but nothing more

[silver vine]

the cupcakes doesnt have sugar

thats what the members teasers seem to imply

[teal imp]

cmon alex clearly thought off of that excuse on the spot

[shut hill]

It must be delroy

[silver vine]

*he spoiled the entire of season 1

[silver vine]

no, it wasnt Alex

[ripe berry]

Again according to Alex the house never moved it was just bad camera angles that made it look like one house or the other ain't across the street from Ted's House (Half of both Trinity and Nicky's Property Neighbor's Ted's House)

[silver vine]

it was a literal frame from the episode

[shut hill]

Yea basically season 1 is the most spoiled

[silver vine]

hmmm

[teal imp]

it legit was him

[shut hill]

All we really know about season 2 is the Lucy yi ep, mayak reveal, therapy episode

[silver vine]

that was here

on discord

[teal imp]

how is that any better???

[silver vine]

Im talking about the members teaser

[silver vine]

we have no idea what happens in the other two seasons

thats pretty better

[shut hill]

All we know is that we see Lucy yi mayak and the therapy episode in season 2

[ripe berry]

The general gist of Season 2 i basically just Gravity Falls with them investigating the oddness of the town and the town's past

[silver vine]

in one of the members teasers, we see the gang eating the cupcakes, Trinity seem to enjoy it, but the rest are about to puke it

[shut hill]

Yea that seems interesting

[silver vine]

so

[shut hill]

Yea I’m the members teaser they are all grossed out

Like they hate it

[silver vine]

exactly

[shut hill]

Which makes “no sugar” true

I wish I could send it to show you guys

But

Tinyclub

[silver vine]

yes

[teal imp]

we know theres a therapy episode

[shut hill]

Yea

[teal imp]

and theres an entire episode about lucy in season 2

[shut hill]

And Lucy yi reveal and mayak

[teal imp]

also season 3 is probably them as a adults

[shut hill]

But that is it

[teal imp]

show

[silver vine]

we cant

sorry

[shut hill]

Maybe it’s like it chapter 2 how they come back to the town when they are older and then defeat Peterson and the guest once and for all

[teal imp]

Ive seen people send this sort of stuff in dms and other servers? they seem to be fine

[silver vine]

"they" seem to be fine

[shut hill]

Wait are we aloud for dms

[silver vine]

not we

no

we are not

[teal imp]

I would hate that because that would mean the entire ending of the franchise would be located in the AS and not the games

the AS is literally sidelining the games now which sucks

[silver vine]

not really

[shut hill]

Hopefully that is not the case

[silver vine]

HN2 is gonna have brand new story stuff which are not explored in the AS

[ripe berry]

I feel like they'd put Quentin in there so they could tie a HN2 Update into it

[shut hill]

And we get a game or content update to finish story

[teal imp]

they will probs bring Nicky back and and undo all of his development from act 3

[shut hill]

Yea and we already know Quentin is in AS

[teal imp]

make him traumatized again in AS

despite him getting over it in act 3

[silver vine]

he gets over it in act 3

[shut hill]

imagine if AS ending is Trinity waking up

[silver vine]

why the heck would he get traumatized again

doubt it

[shut hill]

Anyways I can’t wait to see finch die in the series

And I can’t wait to see delroy become the main character

Hëłłø ñêïghbœr

[teal imp]

bad writing

[silver vine]

wh

you make stuff up on your own and then blame it on bad writing?

[shut hill]

Hakxucnwmdjcnsnwjfk

[silver vine]

I really hate lore discussion nowadays

[shut hill]

Why

[silver vine]

its not the same it used to be

I remember when we used to argue about neighbor guest and Aaron guest back in 2020

[shut hill]

Hêlłô nëïghbør

Did anyone else always wonder what was on 3rd floor in alpha 1

[silver vine]

no

[shut hill]

Oh I was ripping my hairs out

I did so much research but found nothing because it didn’t exist

[silver vine]

I wonder what kind of new characters will be added in HN2

apart from guest and cultists

[shut hill]

farmer

[silver vine]

hes scrapped

srsly

[shut hill]

He could come back though

[silver vine]

I doubt farmer's ever gonna return

[shut hill]

Because he was in the thing of requests on devlog

[silver vine]

MITH and Beatrix was also in the list

[shut hill]

But obviously doesn’t mean he will come back

[shut hill]

Yea so maybe them too

[silver vine]

do you really think Beatrix is gonna return

[shut hill]

Idk

I hope we can like break into all of the houses and see people inside

And I want a new map it isn’t even a town it’s just a street really

[ripe berry]

I mean the GAAP is probably coming back and she'd be the best pre-existing character/model to use there

[safe charm]

Maybe

There’s still merch of her

Selling to this day

He will 80 percent return

Secret neighbor added some stuff about him in the latest patch

[pliant estuary]

how did you know?

[pliant estuary]

indeed

[pliant estuary]

so the camera angle in episode 1, 2, 4 and 5 all make it look like its across the street, nah inconsistent

[shut hill]

this

[pliant estuary]

ahh I see hello fellow opera user

[ripe berry]

Yeah the AS has cartoon logic and Trinity's Room physically can't co-exist with the outside layout what makes you think they actually care about this so I gave the current official statement on it

[safe charm]

Yes

A badge

Talking about journalism probably implies he’s the missing journalist

[shell gull]

Or maybe just talking about the Fact M.J. Is a Journalist or Quentin is…doesn’t imply much.

[safe charm]

True

But still it’s implying he might return

There’s a chance at least

[shell gull]

Ehhhhhhh

[safe charm]

Yes there is they wouldn’t add references to a scrapped character

Like why do that

[shell gull]

How is it references to a Scrapped Character.

[safe charm]

Mith

You said he wasn’t likely to return

So he would technically be scrapped

[shell gull]

Yeah IK, but how is it a reference to him.

[safe charm]

Badge has his face on it

[shell gull]

OHHhHhh

That

Yeah it is possible, but at the least it feels more of a Reference/Easter Egg of a nod to him.

[safe charm]

Anyways so about the guest quickly

[shell gull]

Yeah?

[safe charm]

Do you think he manifested looking like he’s current form

Or did he gain it later by copying

The statue

[shell gull]

Eh, I’d imagine he was Born by the G.A.M. Started as a Blob like The Thing (Based from my Memory), saw the G.A.M. And chose it as his Form.

[safe charm]

Gam

?

[shell gull]

Golden Apple Mascot

[safe charm]

Ah ok

[safe charm]

Is it just me or has

The guest been a little more animalistic currently in hn2 he’s smart yes but

You know how he moves

[shell gull]

He’s always been an animal, look at him in GN2 going full maul mode, in RD he literally pounced on a Car, in 1.5 he crawled in the Intro.

[safe charm]

In 1.5 he didn’t crouch and run like he does in hn2 he walks upright most of the time

And he uses furniture and even tries to make coffe

Lol

[shell gull]

Yeah but he waddles, and I was talking Intro, which we also saw him peck garbage with his beak.

[safe charm]

Ik

I mean mostly how he runs and walks

[shell gull]

Ah

[safe charm]

In 1.5 he’s walking more like a human would do besides well

Climbing

In the intro

[shell gull]

True

[thin wadi]

Oh he chose to look like how he looks?

[shell gull]

Most likely

[low grove]

This is my draw of the mayak.

[manic dirge]

#fanart

[strange lance]

Other way around

Guest got his appearence from the already existing mascot statue

The statue's eyes are covered, which explains why the guest has none since he couldn't see them

Guest kid does have eyes on his halloween costume since he knows what the mascot actually looks like

[shut hill]

Anybody wanna talk AS

[manic dirge]

whats there to talk about?

[shell gull]

A while ago

Back when we figured out that he’s Most Likely a Entity Of Manifestation.

In Old Lore AU

[strange lance]

Not confirmed but super heavily implied to the point where it's obvious

[tribal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-fnaf-memes-the-mimic-five-nights-at-freddy's-fnaf-security-breach-ruin-gif-3935180139478958475

[blazing latch]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[safe charm]

@strange lance

[strange lance]

I'm here

[oak vine]

[safe charm]

So do guest Gain anything in hnvr

Becouse he doesnt posseses

Anyone it seems

[strange lance]

Influence over Ted

That was step 1

Step 2 would've been whatever hn2 was

Step 3 was gn2

And so forth

Complete control

[safe charm]

So wait if guest is litteraly born from Ted

He should have control

Or be connected

[strange lance]

I think I've explained this quite a bit

But I'll make it sound better

[safe charm]

Thanks sorry

For being slow lol

[strange lance]

HN and Fnaf are extremely similar to the point where they have exactly the same plot points and lore beats so this is the easiet way to explain it.

William afton has agony (emotion) this emotion becomes so strong that it births as it's own separate being with it's own mind, personality, and goals. That being the shadow. The shadow takes on appearences of william's creations. The shadow's goal is for power, and it eventually becomes more powerful that it's creator being william and then manipulates him.

Ted is filled with grief and sadness (emotions) these emotions become so powerful that it births it's own entity that is separate from Ted and has it's own thoughts and feelings and goals. The guest wants full control over both the town and Ted. The guest becomes so much more powerful than his creator being Ted and then manipulates him

This has to be the biggest lore coincidence ever

[safe charm]

Hm so did you figure this out becouse of hnvr

[strange lance]

It's all about the creators emotion making something evil that becomes more powerful then them

To get control and power

I got this from gn2, some of the original hn2, some of HE, and of course hnvr

Then I noticed fnaf had the exact same stuff

Like the exact same

And I put 2 and 2 together

[safe charm]

I dont understand how hnvr tells us anything about him being manifested

From his emotion

It feels speculative

[strange lance]

It's never going to outright tell you in hn dude, you need to use environmental storytelling, actions of characters, body language etc

And if you pay attention

You'll see how it makes sense

Also it logically makes the most sense

And again exact same premise as fnaf

[safe charm]

But what is it in hnvr the Nightmare

cutscene?

[strange lance]

Which one was that

[safe charm]

The chair one

With guest appearing

Behind

[strange lance]

That one is super obvious. It's the guest looming over Ted, because his goal is Ted

He's trying to get into his mind

[safe charm]

So by the end of hnvr did he get into Ted in some way or form

[snow mauve]

Yes

[strange lance]

He did

[safe charm]

I thought he didnt and he just made a connection

[snow mauve]

Guest is guest bro smh

Maliciously evil creature

[safe charm]

Ok?

Ik

[strange lance]

The guest is literally the mimic.

The guest enters the victim's mind but ted is reluctant so the guest has to manipulate him in other forms for Ted to fully give in

The mimic enters vanessa's mind but she is reluctant and mimic needs other forms (gregory) to manipulate her into giving in

Why are HN and fnaf so similar

This is getting weird

[safe charm]

So by hn2 the original the guest was litteraly inside mr Peterson but he couldnt control him

[strange lance]

Yep

[safe charm]

Ohh

[strange lance]

Too bad that's all we know!

[safe charm]

I cant accept hello peak being non canon 😭

Anymore

[strange lance]

I'm still gonna ignore hn2 and the AS stuff because I really just don't care about that story

I'll play hn2 but I won't care for it's "lore"

[safe charm]

Well they must have seen how Many

Wanted the old stuff

[strange lance]

I bet they do but Alex doesn't care, he's gonna continue with his story

[safe charm]

He did say in the post mortem you should listen to fans soooo

[strange lance]

lmao

I didn't know that

[safe charm]

And we really wanted old lore back

He did say that

[strange lance]

what a hypocrite

[safe charm]

Wait

If guest was inside mr Peterson

How could guest talk with aaron

Outside his body

[strange lance]

?

when

[safe charm]

In hnvr

When he give aaron the key

So was it like a projection

[strange lance]

The guest literally isn't in Ted's mind lmao, like physically

look at gn2

[safe charm]

Hm

[strange lance]

The guest's actual body is still in the world, a piece of him is just with Ted

like

the mimic

god

this is has to be a giant coincidence

[safe charm]

So in gn2 was it when he possesed Ted

The first time

[strange lance]

at the end of gn2 the guest full on possessed him for the first time yes

that is when Ted's body merged with the guest

and that is how it stayed from that point forward

[safe charm]

So is mr Peterson wearing a costume after getting possesed or are they litteraly

Feused

Together

[strange lance]

either the guest's form unraveled itself into the blob goop form and wrapped itself around Ted, or possessed Ted just somehow got into the suit normally

in reset day the guest's form changed I think

so Ted's body kinda got contorted a bit

[safe charm]

So in hn2 alphas is the guest there just the guest

Without mr Peterson in possession

Or is it actually mr Peterson possesed

[strange lance]

in 1.5 which was the start of hinting to the possession stuff, Ted being in the attic was metaphorical for his good side being locked away

while the guest is on the outside

guarding the attic

not letting ted out

[safe charm]

Ahhh

So did guest posses mr Peterson by simply

Strangeling him

Lmao

[strange lance]

in gn2 he chokes underwater him and Ted passes out. Metaphorically this is Ted giving into the guest since Regina's words weren't strong enough to convince Ted to do the right thing

[safe charm]

Ohhh

[strange lance]

physically the guest did this to stop Ted

which is the same thing

[safe charm]

So its weird how hn2 was before mr Peterson getting possesed why hint at it

Then

In an alpha

Was there a time skip maybe planned

[strange lance]

they hinted at it in the alpha because they couldn't really hint it anywhere else lol. 1.5 was heading into Hn2's plot so why not tease us about the guest's lore

the alpha isn't canon of course

but it could still be used to hint stuff

[safe charm]

Well i hope the possession will happen in AS

At least

[shut hill]

Sooo

Otto in episode 10 confirmed

[snow mauve]

Nuh uh

[shut hill]

shut

its still the 10th episode

and I refuse to refer to it as season 2 because it should all just be one season

[tribal talon]

Um actually it is meant to be s2 ep 4 jk its should be one season

[shut hill]

stop

‼️

hsuigfhisHGiusHRG

[thin wadi]

which one came first? guest was around in 2020 and mimic is from one of the fnaf books originally but idk when

[strange lance]

The mimic was made back in 2019

[thin wadi]

hmmm

oh

but where?

in the books or in a game?

[strange lance]

help wanted

the tales books where the mimic would be properly introduced started to be made in 2019, same year that help wanted released

and glitchtrap in HW was mimicing tape girl

it's just that no one knew it was the mimic at the time

[snow mauve]

Oooh fnaf lore discussion

[strange lance]

Fnaf x Hn is real

[snow mauve]

yea

[strange lance]

what else can the guest do? mimic other people's appearances and voices....

[thin wadi]

Can't wait for the crossover to be real

Hello Freddy's crossover leak

[shell gull]

Didn’t The Guest also first appear back in 2019

[strange lance]

whenever the mayak event that gave us hgp happened

[shell gull]

Yeah

Which I also remember was back in 2019.

[strange lance]

Scott and Nikita were secretly in contact and decided to do a funny

[shell gull]

Lol

[stiff spire]

2019 was a long time ago like damn

I'm feeling old

[manic dirge]

ikr

[urban wedge]

how to fix crash poblem hello neighbor 2 pls

[shy kindle]

#hello-neighbor

[manic dirge]

#1047329742577209354

[shell gull]

#off-topic

[shy kindle]

The loore

[trim wasp]

the mimic!?

[tame quartz]

bro what we dont even know the plot of s2 yet

[shell gull]

It was a joke.

[tame quartz]

He could have just said so but he backed up his claim so I took it seriously

[shut hill]

No

I have evidence

In that new teaser w Otto and the colorful animals, there is a small storyboard at the top and on an iPad you can read it well and it says “ep10 seg07”

[rare grove]

The frick

Principal dies instead or mr murtaugh

[safe charm]

Hi

[strange lance]

Yo

[safe charm]

So in gn2 did guest litteraly just choke ted and thus possesed him

Or did he do it After

[snow mauve]

No the guest ate him

Ok answer solved

Goodbye

[strange lance]

He choked him, (a metaphor for Ted giving in) and then he posesses him

It doesn't show it happen

But I assume that's what happened

[safe charm]

Are we sure mr peterson is wearing a costume maybe he can transform back and forth

From guest to neighbor

[snow mauve]

I'm pretty sure the guest just gave him clothes

While possessing

Like he just magically gave him

Around his body

Why? Cuz why not

[strange lance]

It's a actual costume remember

It's just a black goopy blob

That's all the guest is

[safe charm]

In gn2 isnt the encounter with blob guest a dream

[strange lance]

We see blob guest when he attacks pris underwater

That is how he looks

Also dude literally phases through a wall

[snow mauve]

He's a ghost!

Oh wait but worse

The mimic

[strange lance]

I think the guest just wrapped himself around Ted

Engulfed him

Then boom Ted is inside

[safe charm]

So in reset day does he look like

The carving on the brick Wall

[safe charm]

Can ted take it off

[strange lance]

Considering Ted um has no control, no lmao

[safe charm]

Also so is the nest in gn2

Real or a dream

[strange lance]

It's real

[safe charm]

But mr peterson says wake up

[strange lance]

The guest says that

[safe charm]

Like its a dream

Oh but still she Wakes up

In the truck

[snow mauve]

The guest can go into dreams bro

Smh

[safe charm]

Then its still not real i meant as in real world

[snow mauve]

What

[safe charm]

In hn

[snow mauve]

Okay you deadass don't get it

[strange lance]

That is true. But it's the same thing as hnvr. The kids entire the nest by getting gassed of all things and then they're there and when when they "leave it" they kinda just pop out into the real world

[safe charm]

Some people still think aaron gets possesed in Hnvr tenporarily

[snow mauve]

That's crazy

[strange lance]

That's not really a big issue. Just correct them lol

[safe charm]

Wonder if gn2 will be Canon to AS

[snow mauve]

Nuh uh

Never

Ever

[strange lance]

Yeah no

[snow mauve]

It's obviously retconned

[safe charm]

Nooooooo

[snow mauve]

Every book lore we get is retconned bro

Idk what's the point of having gn2 connected in AS

When everything else sucks

[safe charm]

The guest is even more confusing in new Loré

[snow mauve]

Not really

Plus we barely got lore from him

So idk what you're talking about

[safe charm]

I hope hes not a demon at least

[snow mauve]

A summonable demon more likely in hn2

[safe charm]

I dont like that idea tbh

[snow mauve]

Unless I could be wrong

We'll just have to wait and see

[safe charm]

Imagine hes guest kids ghost lmao

[shell gull]

It isn’t

AS AU Retconned Books

[safe charm]

Books not

[shell gull]

It’s Old Lore Only

[safe charm]

Graphic novels

[shell gull]

You don’t get it

Graphic Novels too

And Games

[safe charm]

Why would they scrap it aint no way

[shell gull]

They already did

[safe charm]

😭😭😭

Still Canon in my mind

[shell gull]

I mean it’s still Canon to Old Lore AU.

I’d rather it be apart of that than AS.

[safe charm]

Yeah but AS will apperantly wrap everything together

Meaning its Canon

[shell gull]

You really believing Alex

How many times do i have to explain

He can’t fix everything that he broke already

[safe charm]

But hn1 is getting remade

To fit new lore most likely

[shell gull]

You really believing the person who has said:

I’m mainly talking about the First one

[safe charm]

Remade hn1

The remake

[shell gull]

Ok sure, he can make that AS, but that doesn’t stop Books, and that doesn’t Stop the Original Game as long as the Remake is AS Lore.

Like I said

All he is doing is making AS the New Pipeline for future HN

They’ve finished Old Lore AU

Now they are trying something else.

Old Lore AU is still a Lore

And was the OG, all they are doing is starting a new AU, problem is, they are doing a shit job at it.

[safe charm]

Ok

[snow mauve]

Y'know there's a possible chance that HN1 remake can still be the same as the original HN1 lore

I don't think they're gonna connect it with AS

[safe charm]

I hope not

I would love if instead of being seperate hn1 would just get a massive update

[snow mauve]

Nah

[safe charm]

It would be cool Also if the remake is standalone

And not connected to AS or old lore

[snow mauve]

Oh that would god damn suck

[safe charm]

Nope

[snow mauve]

Yes

[safe charm]

It would be cool

[snow mauve]

Oh my god bro smh

[safe charm]

I dont want 2 hn 1

[snow mauve]

Hn2 so far is not connected

With any timeline

[safe charm]

It isnt

Yes

[snow mauve]

So why do the same with hn1 remake?

I just don't get your point

[safe charm]

Becouse they already have hn1 they could just like patch it

Why need another

[snow mauve]

Patch?

[safe charm]

Like fix it

[snow mauve]

Huh

Dude

That's never gonna happen lmao

The remake will more likely be separate

[safe charm]

😟

[snow mauve]

Why even go back and change HN1 after many years later?

[safe charm]

What would it be called hn 2.0

I would like a remake only if its standalone or an update to the original(not really a remake then) otherwise Im good with what we have

[snow mauve]

What's wrong with it being a separate thing?

[safe charm]

Would be better if they updated hn1 imo and improved it like they are doing with hn2

[snow mauve]

💀

This dude

[safe charm]

Im the only one here what dude☺️

[sturdy ore]

At this point I might not even finish the series bc to be fair it might actually be worth the hype but Alex has been spoiling so much lately

[shell gull]

Meh

[snow mauve]

Nah

[manic dirge]

look at rdrd1

it got a remake

its good for games to get remakes

[safe charm]

But hn1 isnt that old

[manic dirge]

it doesn’t matter

hn1 was such a failure that it really needs a remake

[safe charm]

I would like if it would replace

The original

Like be the defenitive

[torpid sinew]

same

[safe charm]

@shell gull

I’m here

So what lore do you personally think hn2 is leaning more towards I think old lore tbh

I used to think AS but

[shell gull]

Eh Neither

More so AS

IG

[safe charm]

I hope they have brought old lore back somewhat for patch 9 since so many suggested and wanted it

Doubt it though unfortunately

[shell gull]

Well at first they would need it to make sense, at the least we can just Retcon Aaron ourselves, since technically we can based off of recent things.

[safe charm]

True

Did guest consume Aaron soul or just trap him in guest world?

[shell gull]

Trapped him, he’s the First Victim.

Gtg

[safe charm]

Ok

[safe charm]

Hi

So in hn1 what is the second

Part of nightmare 2

Supposed to mean

No

Grave digging one

Oups that’s

3

No the one where he digs a grave

And then goes inside

To look for something

Her corpse?

Oh

In the books what causes his insanity he seems insane in book 1 already

True

In book 1 why is he talking to himself

In his bedroom

And says no just stop

Please

When

Okay so is he already

Insane or when did he snap

In your opinion

In book 3 why is he talking to himself in the basement while mya

Records

Him saying gibberish

So in hn1 do we ever get to see his decent into insanity

In your opinion

Did he put up missing posters because he actually believed they were missing because his insane

Or was he just doing it

To cover it up

Ahh okay

So the guest is confusing

Lol

We don’t know what he is