lore-discussion

[snow mauve]

Brrrrrrrrr

Same thing anyway

[silver vine]

wait till you see guest kid costume in the living room in the 16 hour alpha 2 stream

[ripe berry]

The what?

[silver vine]

yes

if you notice closely

in the 16 hour stream

you can see guest kid costume in the living room

[snow mauve]

the loreeeeee

Everyone's favorite thing

[silver vine]

but

alpahs and betas are not canon

sooooo

[ripe berry]

I genuinely didn't know that was there

[pale urchin]

but but lore canon Alex said canon = flexibility he a right he a rigjt!!!1111

[ripe berry]

Alex's lttle cartoon seems to make anything tied to the games themselves canon

[pale urchin]

Fr

[teal imp]

is the full stream archived?

[ripe berry]

Well the first 12 hours or so are and then the rest was thankfully recorded by some random guy on youtube

Here's the video with the first 12 hours https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8iml-S-DsA (Hope I got the right link 😅)

and you should be able to find the rest on youtube within the first few searches

[teal imp]

hmm

the widehouse layout seems to be a faithful hn1 layout recreation

except the 2nd floor theres weird stuff there

[ripe berry]

yep

[lapis sonnet]

what is going on

like this whole conversation

i missed smt like whats with the HNHS bird

the guest

the halloween costumes

sum1 catch me up

[viscid portal]

It seems to me that the costume of the little raven is associated with the Guest. I think that the costume of the raven represents Aaron. But why in alpha 1.5, when we approach the door, does the neighbor run out and happen at the door, as if shouting to us to let him go?

[ripe berry]

Earlier the convo was about how the HNHS Stage 5 Crow is likely the Guest

The Guest Kid stuff was just me being confused as to why Guest Kid's Costume is in Ted's House in the HN2 Beta

and then it spawned a whole conversation

[lapis sonnet]

i thought this was obvious

when i played HNVR and saw the guest for the first time i immediately made the connection that the crow is the HNHS one

and that the guest has been here a while

but it got shot down by the manifestation theory

[tribal talon]

i thought, what if trinity was just lying ab it?

so that she doesnt have to buy a box

[shell gull]

I just Realised they gave Trinity Book Nicky’s wandering role, the show is sooo bad.

[teal imp]

they really couldnt kept Trinity the same as she is in the books?

[lapis sonnet]

hn1 is relatable from the story side of things, mainly the adult nicky thing

like childhood trauma and memory loss

and self therapy

[shell gull]

Nope

[shell gull]

True

[stiff spire]

how was she in the books I forgot

[shell gull]

Kinda the all around

She would give advice

And would provide her opinion a lot

[manic dirge]

or in other words peak trinity

[stiff spire]

that's a more better trinity ngl

[ripe berry]

Welp there's even a way to make that Manifestation Theory work with the HNHS Stage 5 Crow by having it be Diane's Death that causes the forming of the Guest and not Mya, but yeah it doesn't feel right to not have the Guest exist for a long time (For instance what are the Forest Protectors Worshiping, sure technically you can say they just worship crows but it feels like there should be something more then that as the explanation) (Sorry for responding to a 1 day old message)

and Stage 5 (ignoring the Alpha) is the only time the crows in the game behave suspiciously

[ripe berry]

What with that crow seeming to want Aaron to kill Mya

[lapis sonnet]

i like that it existed for a long time

my original theory before theory that it manifested from ted was that it was just the physical manifestation of the peterson families curse that they got from book 6

bc after that is when everything goes wrong

and its when the crow shows up

and it would make sense for it to be there for a while, AKA before nicky

but nobody wanted to listen to that theory when i first made it like the week HNVR released so grrrrrrrrr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9a_zMzzgAM

[lapis sonnet]

also OMG ive been saying this was gonna happen

ive been preaching that the story continuation was gonna start with quentin being kidnapped by the cult

now my theory was hed be taken to mayak but ig they doing tunnels instead which is fine

wish there was a way to make hn2 canon to old lore bc its starting to look good

[lapis sonnet]

and it would make sense for the curse to look like the park mascot since thats where it happens

in book 6 the park gets set on fire and the luck device is buried under the tunnel entrance in the park, causing the peterson family to be cursed

[lapis sonnet]

also when is HE gonna release

they said summer

grrrrrrrr

[safe charm]

Im here

So what do you Think will happen with the guest

Like storywise

[shell gull]

Honestly

[shell gull]

I think your right on one hand

Quentin will break free

And will run

Leading The Guest out of town

Angering The Cult

We know in AS that The Guest is clearly being supplied with items

I’d also think back on the rampaging demon

More of mysterious entity

Who knows

[safe charm]

Items?

[shell gull]

Maybe it could be like Book Lore IQ just in AS

[shell gull]

Remember

[silver vine]

we know that guest is playing games with many ppl

[shell gull]

That Teaser

[silver vine]

hes manipulating ppl

[shell gull]

For Members

[safe charm]

Yeah

[shell gull]

He was wearing a robe

[safe charm]

Ik

[unkempt sleet]

the robe goose

[safe charm]

So is the summoning theory still a thing now

In your opinion

[unkempt sleet]

i dont believe it

[silver vine]

this is an actual teaser?

[shell gull]

How do we know?, all we see is him stalking, him lunging at vans, and him trying to kill Quentin after getting tied up.

[safe charm]

What do you believe

[shell gull]

There’s another one

[safe charm]

He is

[shell gull]

Let me send it in dms

[silver vine]

oh great

[unkempt sleet]

It's Tinybuild's Twitter account pfp

[silver vine]

only when my credit card expires, all the members teasers come in

I hate this msn

[safe charm]

I have no idea what the guest is anymore lmao

Hes super cool though

Its all conflicting

[unkempt sleet]

He's just a supernatural bird creature

[safe charm]

The AS teasers maked him more human like and hn2 more demonic

[shell gull]

He’s a entity that The Cult wants, they help him through his journey by supplying him, and after they saw him try to attack Quentin they now want Quentin and after retrieving him after the ending they use him as a sacrifice.

[safe charm]

So he has existed forever

[shell gull]

We know The Cult sees him as a God

[silver vine]

they also want Quentin cuz he found out about them

[shell gull]

He’s a curse

As explained in Nightmare 3

A curse that has come back

[safe charm]

From what

[shell gull]

We don’t know

One conclusion is he got summoned

[silver vine]

he wears a robe, what about his iconic sweater

[unkempt sleet]

Its under the robe

[shell gull]

He’s just wearing a robe over his normal body

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[silver vine]

but why is he wearing one in the first place

[shell gull]

I hope we see the Robe Guest

In game

Especially since it fits Old Lore

[safe charm]

Guest lore is confusing me lol

[unkempt sleet]

To not get too much attention? İdk

[silver vine]

does it?

[shell gull]

Yeah

A super smart being that what’s power

And does it secretly

[safe charm]

So you Think he Will posseses you know who

In the game

[shell gull]

I doubt he has old lore powers

[safe charm]

Its new lore remember

[shell gull]

No nest

Or anything like that

[safe charm]

Nah i dont think

They scrapped his powers

[shell gull]

They did

[silver vine]

they scrapped the nest

[safe charm]

Well that sucks

Oh well

[silver vine]

nest was supposed to be in the game

Alex said that

[unkempt sleet]

he said that?

[safe charm]

Well it might come back

[silver vine]

the alphas also

[safe charm]

Yes

[shell gull]

There were hints of The Nest appearing in game even on Switch

[safe charm]

In the post mortem

[shell gull]

And it was scrapped

[silver vine]

pipe to other world

[shell gull]

So they never used it

[silver vine]

it was alpha 1

[unkempt sleet]

oh ok i remember now

[shell gull]

He said the alphas were either an old run down future version of the town or something like the upside down

Clearly 1

Since there’s the RD indications

[safe charm]

So if the cult

Summoned him does it have to be in the museum

[shell gull]

Well that would explain the cage

And also

The Ambience

[safe charm]

Eh i just dont get the whole summoning theory

[shell gull]

Is Museum like

[silver vine]

I dont think that cage belonged to guest

[safe charm]

It feels off

[shell gull]

Same with the doors shutting

[silver vine]

guest is a force which cannot be contained

[unkempt sleet]

Gues could've easily get out of that cage imo

[shell gull]

Well yeha

That’s the conclusion we had

That he escaped

Easily

And ran out into the town

But yea

That might not be the case anymore

[silver vine]

I dont think he was even there in the first place

[shell gull]

Yeah

[unkempt sleet]

I think the cage was part of the museum? idk

[shell gull]

But the Guest was definitely summoned there

[safe charm]

He moves and feels very humanlike in the AS teaser maybe its just me though

[shell gull]

If he was summoned

Same ambience

Same door noises

[safe charm]

He just doesnt give off

Demonic vibes

[unkempt sleet]

He's just running

which he does

a lot

[safe charm]

Maybe we know zero about the guest origin lol

And we are just talking nothing

[unkempt sleet]

well theorizing is fun

[safe charm]

They could have something more complex

[shell gull]

Do you think a demon would lunge at you or something, like the devil isn’t just gonna start going crazy he’s gonna act kind and human to gain your trust.

[shell gull]

Which might be the case here

[safe charm]

We dont know hes a demon i think hes

More of an entity

That exists

[shell gull]

We don’t know but damn it seems like it

Ritual devices that are cursed

Also itself a curse

Likes killing

Gets treated like a god but is a fake god

[safe charm]

Also alex says mayak is a big part of the lore so maybe

It has something to do with the guest

Origin

[shell gull]

Who knows

Anyways I’m out

[safe charm]

Ok

[silver vine]

yes he feels very humanlike in the AS teaser

but he behaves very animallike in the HN2 teaser

[spark tulip]

Could the object be the crow statue?

[safe charm]

Maybe

[unkempt sleet]

oohh maybe

[safe charm]

If the article

Is after hn2 chapter 1

Wait it makes sense

Becouse they were likely

Trying to fix it up

But after everything they probably fave up

[spark tulip]

And it appears in two cutscenes.

Maybe more.

[safe charm]

Imagine guest posseses it and you see it

Flying

Over rb

[spark tulip]

That'd look really cool.

[safe charm]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-anime-jsp-quoi-mettre-gif-22443981

Like this but

Except a person

And well the crow

Instead of the dragon

[spark tulip]

https://media.giphy.com/media/2SCpDwN320gvse8vad/giphy.gif

[shell gull]

No

The article was pre Quentin’s arrival

The Statue was always there

[spark tulip]

Yeah, I know.

[shell gull]

The object is something else

We don’t know what it is

And will most likely find out in AS

[wicked heath]

the god

He will bring chaos to Raven Brooks, then the whole world...

[viscid knot]

Hello

[lapis sonnet]

he doesnt try to kill quentin he literally frees him from his ropes then runs

if he wanted to kill him then he wouldve killed him after untying him

or just killing him while tied up

[lapis sonnet]

correct he like talks in the AS

[lapis sonnet]

we gotta wait for AS we dk

[lapis sonnet]

hes not really a demon hes just a worshipped entity that the cult summoned

at least in new lore

just because he got summoned doesnt mean hes a demon

[lapis sonnet]

which is literally what he does, hes helping quentin in the teaser

and he talks in the AS apparently

[shell gull]

Yeah I didn’t watch the full clip

Now we know he’s just hitting an Aaron this time with Quentin

[lapis sonnet]

wym hitting an aaron

[shell gull]

I mean manipulating someone into trusting you and then betraying them real quick

And basically using them

That’s what The Guest did with Aaron

And many others

In Old Lore

Looks like he’s doing that here in AS

[ripe berry]

Can we really be sure what the Guest's Motives even are, if they kept the Guest's Personality the same then I'm glad

But what's the motive in saving Quentin?

How is he even remotely important to whatever the Guest is planning to where he needs to be alive at this moment

If we assume the Guest's Motive has something to do with Ted then why save Quentin, no matter what Ted would be a better save or be right where the Guest wants him

[safe charm]

Im just thinking of the whole body possesion thing

Becouse mr Peterson is smart

So possesing would be valuble

[ripe berry]

Why bother saving Quentin unless the Guest has some kind of reason to, maybe the Guest doesn't even work with the Cult. The Cult and the Guest could be two opposing forces and this would at least give the Guest a reason to save Quentin; to prevent the Cult's ritual from happening

but then why would the Statue depict a Crow Symbol on it?

The Statue's symbols seem to be the Cult's History

[safe charm]

I think guest and the cult

Is against each other

[opal jackal]

Remember

The Guest helped Aaron rescue his friends in HNVR

[ripe berry]

A Figure represented by a Crow made some kind of deal with a Mayor (which is now memorialized on the Statue in HN1 based off using the exact same graphic) to capture someone (potentially a threat to the town). and then it talks about Luck Devices and sh*t

I'm also going to note down the combination of symbols to get into the Catacombs:
4 Leaf Clover (Luck)
Praising Golden Apple (from Praising)
Crow (?)
Eye (under the Cult)
(I also put down what the symbols could mean when put in this order)

[ripe berry]

But why is Quentin note-worthy, if the Guest wants to take him away just do it instead of letting him possibly go free

[ripe berry]

This would also mean the Tape doesn't have to be the Guest getting summoned

The Guest could be stopping the Cult here

But the Motive to be against the cult is something I don't yet know

Time to do a re-analysis of the entire HN Franchise to figure out what the Funni birb man's motive is

The area with Police Tape in the Catacombs is where the City is and the rough location of the GAAP relatve to the City according to the HN1/HG Map

[shell gull]

Well if you take in consideration of what Crow said

Really sure he couldn’t travel been summoned

But at the same time The Cult think of him as a god

And since The Guest is smart he can just be using them

[manic dirge]

one question why is there a cage in the attic in the muesum

[shell gull]

For instance how he is clearly being supplied

[shell gull]

Originally I beloved that’s where they kept The Guest

But it could’ve been like a Museum thing

[manic dirge]

oh ok

[ripe berry]

I'm not sure of anything related to the Guest anymore, hence why I'm going through everything to see if I can create a proper idea of the Guest and it's motives in AS Lore

[manic dirge]

i hate that hn2 ties into AS

[shell gull]

It’s clearly very similar to Old Lore AU

Old Lore Guest, torments his creator but then realised there’s more to do so starts to manipulate and use others to torment it’s creator and gain power.

AS Guest (Possibly), was brought back, realises The Cult see him as a god, uses this to his own gain and uses them to supply, Manipulates and uses Quentin to help itself.

In short, Old Lore Guest uses people to get power to help itself, AS Guest (Possibly) uses people to gain for its own.

[safe charm]

AS guest should just be nothing as of now

We dont know too much yet

[shell gull]

I mean it’s clear the intentions

That’s enough

To understand motives

[balmy brook]

what if the neighbor escaped jail after the player got a family and he broke into your house to steal your kids

[shell gull]

Haugh

[wicked heath]

Hes probably not even in jail

[indigo quest]

the neighbor is dead

[glad zealot]

Rip

L+ratio=bozo

[silver vine]

I dont think he was even summoned in the first place

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[safe charm]

So where

[silver vine]

he needs Quentin to do something

hes playing his game with him

[safe charm]

Do you Think he originated

Do he even have

[silver vine]

hes trying to use him as a pawn

[safe charm]

A origin you Think

Or does he just exist

[unkempt sleet]

you can say... he's manipulating him

[silver vine]

exactly

[safe charm]

What do

He want with Ted

You Think

[silver vine]

only HN2 should tell

[safe charm]

I still think

He want to use his body and mind

For something

Becouse if guest would take over mr Peterson doesnt

That mean he gets

His iq

[dusty glade]

What did I walk into

Who is the person at the end of hn2🤔

Could it be the detective

[safe charm]

Its the cultist

[dusty glade]

Ok

[safe charm]

Its revealed in the teaser

They released

[dusty glade]

For what?

[safe charm]

For chapter 2

[snow mauve]

Sacrifice

And killing

[dusty glade]

K

[teal imp]

the visitor you describe....

[ripe berry]

...is not playing kids games, you're trapped in it now. Just like me.

[wicked heath]

The Neighbor says calmly

[shell gull]

Time Loop MaYBe?!?!??!?!???

[safe charm]

Hi

[unkempt sleet]

Hello

[glad hornet]

hi

[safe charm]

Sooo

[ripe berry]

Red Tape discussion

[safe charm]

Yes

[unkempt sleet]

Gonna say the same thing again
Going off with trying to fill the gaps, it can be something like "Shouldve been there" or "Shouldve seen it" or something

İm not sure if it fits the audio though

[ripe berry]

We got from "yo coota vashro shpitralofro view... ro... I'll kill to towards dios sir......." to "You could've saved her (not sure, could be what Mr. Apple suggests)... no... I'll the ones who (untranslated)..."

[unkempt sleet]

The last part feels like its talking about the cult

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[shell gull]

Again

[ripe berry]

I'm going to send the audio file here so I don't have to go back to the Chat to download it again

[shell gull]

Let me fix it: You could’ve saved her if it wasn’t for him…no I’ll kill the ones who really caused it!

[shell gull]

Where’d you guys get it?

[ripe berry]

Here's the audio again

[unkempt sleet]

"if it wasnt for him" sounds plausible i think

[ripe berry]

Noxified sent it in the chat and Idk where he got it from

[shell gull]

Hm

[shell gull]

Well I can’t listen to that since it’s just a file for me

On phone so…

I’m gonna go off what you guys say

[unkempt sleet]

Relatable...

[shell gull]

Yeah I feel it makes sense

[safe charm]

Also is it coins

Hes buried

[muted moon]

the forest protectors maybe

[shell gull]

Cultist for the last damn ti-

All good

[ripe berry]

welp we got most of this down except for like the last 2 words

[shell gull]

I’m happy 😊

Could someone make an audio clip of it?

[unkempt sleet]

We've gone from an unintelligable mess to an actual sentence

[ripe berry]

Yep

[muted moon]

mr peterson could of saved mya/diane if it wasnt for aaron getting rid of the luck devices. and hes decided to kill the ones who really caused lucys death, the forest protectors

[ripe berry]

I'm surprised it took this long for someone to figure out most of the sentence when some parts seem like basic-level Wayron Croobian

[shell gull]

Mmm

[safe charm]

Simple we didnt

Bother too lol

[shell gull]

Is it AS AU or Old Lore AU?

[safe charm]

Stop

With the whole that lets just

[shell gull]

Cuz it sounds like Ild Lore a lot

[unkempt sleet]

Its the tapes from HN2

[safe charm]

Think it as of one thing

[shell gull]

Ohhhhhhb

[unkempt sleet]

İnterpret it whatever you want

[shell gull]

Which one?

[safe charm]

Red

One

[ripe berry]

vashro (Save Her/Saved Her) seems like something that would've been figured out in mere seconds if it was written somewhere like in HE

[ripe berry]

Red one current version

[shell gull]

Mm

I always wondered what he was burying in the Tape?

Ahem

Ahem

Mya

Ahem

[muted moon]

anyway it looks like mr peterson is going to get revenge on the forest protectors in content update

[shell gull]

Cultist

[safe charm]

Fp

They are

Lol

[unkempt sleet]

Well, that was hinted at already, would be cool if it actually happens

[ripe berry]

It's like how no one seemed to realize Nicky's Eviction Letter was a actual readable Eviction notice until we started focusing on trying to translate it

[shell gull]

It would be cool to see another boss fight where Ted fights them

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[ripe berry]

Let them use whatever terms they want

[safe charm]

Guess who basically Forced you all

Me

[muted moon]

also how do we actually know that (hnvr spoilers) ||the guest dragged aaron away in the hnvr ending||

[ripe berry]

You use Mya despite it being Mia in new lore

[safe charm]

He problaby didnt

[unkempt sleet]

Speculation

[safe charm]

I think its mr Peterson now

[muted moon]

didnt the books call her mya?

[safe charm]

The more i think about it

[shell gull]

It isn’t….accurate…FP is a Myth…Cultist are the real…Deal

[ripe berry]

yeah but in New Lore Mya is called Mia

[shell gull]

Ew

[unkempt sleet]

I call them Ravens...

[safe charm]

Problaby just a mistake

[solid dew]

no they just keep making the mistake of calling her mia

[muted moon]

||the hnvr ending could of just been a cool transition||

[shell gull]

Ofc

[ripe berry]

They call themselves the Ravens tho

[solid dew]

because they don't natively speak english

[shell gull]

That’s the actual name

[safe charm]

Anyways red tape

[shell gull]

Cult is the perfect middle ground

[safe charm]

🙏

[ripe berry]

So if anything correct us by using Ravens instead of Cultists

[unkempt sleet]

We made some incredible progress

[safe charm]

Yeah

[unkempt sleet]

Oh, that makes sense

[ripe berry]

Ah

That explains it

[unkempt sleet]

That means its still Mya :D

[safe charm]

🙂

[shell gull]

W

Out of everything I wanna know where M.J. Fits in AS

[muted moon]

(hnvr spoilers) ||also since since during the hnvr ending using the guest doll surrounds us in feathers before becoming the guest, and we dont see an aaron cardboard cutout, that aaron is the one chasing the neighbor||

[ripe berry]

Who's M.J? Sorry if that's a pre-established character

oh wait Missing Journalist

I'm a idiot

[shell gull]

Yeah

[safe charm]

Its just a transison

[shell gull]

It’s a transition

Not a switch

[safe charm]

Not transformation

[shell gull]

The Guest isn’t Aaron

And The Guest didn’t possess him

[muted moon]

||why does the guest need an aaron doll then||

[shell gull]

In VR

[shell gull]

That’s just for gameplay

It symbolizes him manipulating him

With the he has a choice thing

[unkempt sleet]

Also i dont think you need to spoiler HNVR things anymore

[ripe berry]

The Aaron Doll is not physically present

[shell gull]

Mhm

[safe charm]

Anyways so is their any other tapes

That has lore

[shell gull]

Like we’ve established before

Gameplay isn’t canon

[safe charm]

Which we havent solved

[shell gull]

But lore exploration is

[ripe berry]

Mayor Tape is mostly solved

[shell gull]

Mhm

[muted moon]

during one of the guest world sequences when we watch the guest giving aaron the offer from a distance he still has the aaron doll

[safe charm]

The one with the tv

[shell gull]

Bro

[safe charm]

Sounds

[shell gull]

Isn’t actually

There

[ripe berry]

The Aaron Doll could also be some manifestation of Aaron's consciousness or something

[unkempt sleet]

Which colored tape do you mean by tv sounds

[ripe berry]

If you wanna stretch it

[shell gull]

Yeah I doubt

[safe charm]

Which

Is the mayors

[muted moon]

that makes more sense than an item being non existent

[shell gull]

That’s just his music playing

[unkempt sleet]

Mayor's one was the white one iirc

[shell gull]

Not TV sounds

[safe charm]

Ahh okay

So then maybe its the yellow

One

Im pretty sure

[safe charm]

Not talking

[shell gull]

Yeah I could tell

[safe charm]

About mayors tape

The one where you hear camera

Monitors switch

And tv

Sounds

[muted moon]

also the aaron doll definitely physically exists, since the guest refuses to give it to aaron, and being protective of it (why would you be protective of a non existent item)

[safe charm]

And outside noises

[shell gull]

Out of everything, the tape that gives me trouble is the one where it’s just crow noises, and when backwards I believe it makes Guest groans.

[safe charm]

Same

Is it anything

Thats important or is it just

A teaser

Its hard

To know

[unkempt sleet]

I think it doesnt mean anything

[shell gull]

Omg, it’s called Gameplay, they can’t have a choice bar in VR, it’s their to give the choice, which there isn’t, if that was the case it would’ve appeared in other things like the novels when he manipulates, it’s there for gameplay, always has been.

[muted moon]

also if the guest was just manipulating aaron to get to the neighbor why does the guest give aaron the key to nickys room after getting to the neighbor

doesnt help the guest in any way

[shell gull]

Because they made an agreement, that if Aaron helped him he would help him free his friends, Nicky was the final one.

That’s how he manipulated him

We went over this like a month ago

[safe charm]

Why would the guest care

Though

[muted moon]

exactly

[safe charm]

He doesnt seem like a Guy

To care about

[shell gull]

How else would he get Aaron to help him take over his dad???

[safe charm]

A deal

[shell gull]

“Oh hey I’m just gonna make you help me get your dad”

[safe charm]

He could do it himself lol how hard can it be

[muted moon]

i dont think aaron even knew what the guest was doing

[safe charm]

Go and touch neighbor done

You sucesfully

Posseses Ted

Thats everything he needs to do

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-bruh-triggered-bruh-bttv-meme-gif-16887494

[safe charm]

And we also find a way to fit hnvr

[shell gull]

Ok

[safe charm]

With hn2

Earlier today

[ripe berry]

HN Lore is confusing

[shell gull]

Explain LITERALLY every other time The Guest tried to get to someone

[muted moon]

also why would the guest kill/kidnap aaron after helping him save his friends

[safe charm]

Or mr Apple

Did

[shell gull]

Novels

Why couldn’t he just tap the girl

Huh?

Explain?

[safe charm]

And why do he need aaron

Then

[shell gull]

To get to TED

[safe charm]

If hes just gonna posseses

Mr Peterson

[safe charm]

He can do it without aaron

[shell gull]

Wth are you guys on bro 💀

Novels

Explain GN2

Why couldn’t he tap Regina

Why?

[muted moon]

when the guest gets to neighbor we dont actually see anything happen, other than feathers appearing

[shell gull]

No no

Let me here

Why?

[safe charm]

He didnt want to he had the neighbor

[muted moon]

also doesnt gn2 confirm that a physical guest suit exists

[safe charm]

And you please calm down its just lore nothing serious

[safe charm]

Well actually im pretty

[shell gull]

No, he wanted her sister.

Wth

[safe charm]

Sure the suit manifest

When

[shell gull]

Do you guys not know the lore?

[safe charm]

The possesion

[shell gull]

Omg

[solid dew]

it does not

[shell gull]

I’m arguing with a wall

[shell gull]

WHAT

[safe charm]

You are just not nice

Now

[ripe berry]

Why couldn't Guest trap Pris? My friend the Guest has to do it within the Guest World to link itself

and then it needs to have a person be knocked out to gain control

[shell gull]

He needs connections, he went to Regina to take her over to the use to get to Pris, same here, he used Aaron to get to Ted.

🤯

[safe charm]

Well why do we even care the books isnt even canon anymore

[shell gull]

Omg

[safe charm]

So why try to piece it together

[muted moon]

what does he need pris and regina for

[solid dew]

guest was probably only interested in pris because she and regina would help to get ted to his most vulnerable

[shell gull]

He wanted to gain power

You guys don’t even know Guest lore

[muted moon]

over some random kids?

[shell gull]

Mhm

[shell gull]

If you want to take over a town, wouldn’t you want to take over the citizens?

[unkempt sleet]

The most Guest lore i need is that he's a silly manipulative Goose creature
Thats enough for me lol

[safe charm]

Can you please just stop basically yelling in your text

[ripe berry]

and then he got Ted to a state where the Guest could knock him out and take control

[muted moon]

why did the guest make a fake dog

[shell gull]

Mhm

[shell gull]

Haugh

Wha

[solid dew]

it's a real dog

[shell gull]

That was a real dog

[safe charm]

Lets have a nice discusion for god sakés

[shell gull]

Except for the imagination

[ripe berry]

and then it used the Mayak to create a Time Loop to slowly take over the citizens without having to worry about them fighting back

[shell gull]

Then make sense

[shell gull]

Mhm

[ripe berry]

Except for Mrs. Tillman who the Guest killed

[shell gull]

Ah yes

[safe charm]

Why do you need to be rude becouse of that then explain to me everything

[shell gull]

Anyways

[muted moon]

im pretty sure a weather station isnt gonna start a time loop

[shell gull]

I’m not

[safe charm]

Becouse i dont understand

[ripe berry]

and Maritza who the Guest doesn't seem aware of yet

[shell gull]

It’s called reasoning

[shell gull]

And the kids

[ripe berry]

My friend

I should probably explain this better

[safe charm]

Yeah but saying your talking to Wall is not the right words lmao

But i understand

[shell gull]

You don’t know the Mayak Lore do you?

[shell gull]

Cuz that’s literally what it is.

[ripe berry]

He used a machine within the Weather Station to start a specific type of storm, which based off Ted's Research in HE should allow for time travel and time loops

[solid dew]

the weather station won't but ted will
ted is the most powerful person in raven brooks

[unkempt sleet]

Funny eyeball building connected to storms

[shell gull]

Hehehehe

[solid dew]

because he's the smartest

[safe charm]

Then explain to me the lore

[shell gull]

That’s a lot

[muted moon]

i dont think a storm causes a time loop

[safe charm]

Becouse i dont understand mayak

[ripe berry]

HE literally confirmed this

[safe charm]

Its just a building to me with some weird connection

[shell gull]

Big eyeball building has machine inside that make big boom weather

[safe charm]

To creating storms

And the guest i dont even know

Anymore

Hes just a bird man

[shell gull]

So why do you argue?

[unkempt sleet]

Oh thats cool

[safe charm]

Im trying to understand the guest but theres not enough

[shell gull]

Sandbox go crazy

[safe charm]

Of lore yet

[shell gull]

No there’s a lot

[solid dew]

nobody knows the connection between luck and the weather and The passage of time because it's something so obscure that nobody really knows how to connect any of it
just know that they are all interconnected

[safe charm]

To fully explain him

[ripe berry]

In the Stadia HE Ending, Ted's messing with the Purple Storm Energy and opens a portal the Sandbox Realm, and behind him we can see on his chalk-board a Lightning Symbol, a Clock, and a Infinity Sign

[muted moon]

i never played hello engineer because stadia wasnt in my country, so i dont know

[ripe berry]

The think the message is clear what that's saying

The Storm causes the Time Loops

[shell gull]

Old Lore is manifestation of Ted that torments him and then got smart enough to take over the town.
AS: a supernatural entity that is using others to gain.

[ripe berry]

and Book 7 is tied both to HN2 and to HE

[shell gull]

Well

Old HN2

[ripe berry]

yeah

[safe charm]

The manifestation part is just a theory

Not fact

[shell gull]

That’s 90% right

[muted moon]

also since a luck device happens to be right beneath mayak, maybe the luck device caused the purple storms

[safe charm]

Not enough

[shell gull]

Thank you very much

[safe charm]

Evidence

Imo

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/vibe-spin-spinning-loop-turn-around-gif-17666221

[safe charm]

It could just be some entity

[ripe berry]

It depends on if the storms activate the luck devices or if the luck devices activate the storms

[safe charm]

Thats

Obsessesed with

[shell gull]

Anyways

[safe charm]

Mr Peterson or something lol

[shell gull]

Anyways

Uhh

Guest wears robes

In AS

Pretty cool right?

[unkempt sleet]

Well when a storm starts, the luck devices make it worse
Thats what i remember from the book iirc

[muted moon]

maybe the luck device turns the normal storms into purple storms

[shell gull]

Shut

Anyways

Robes

Pretty cool

[ripe berry]

It seems most anomalies in the HN Universe are tied to the Purple Storms in some way

[muted moon]

yes it was like this but they can cause other events too

[safe charm]

Shut

🙂

[shell gull]

Oh god damnit

[ripe berry]

Luck Devices I guess power up the storm

[safe charm]

Jk

[shell gull]

Robes

Pretty cool

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[ripe berry]

Guest seems most powerful when possessing or during a Storm

[muted moon]

the storm powers the luck device, and the luck device can be used to start a purple storm

[unkempt sleet]

Yea, the cult wears them. Pretty cool

[shell gull]

I mean he do be skaddadling, while wearing them.

[muted moon]

yeah since isnt guest world in the middle of a storm (possibly purple since we dont know what it looks like inside a purple storm)

[ripe berry]

The Purple Storms are known to cause Time Travel and Time Loops and whatever the hell they do to send the Rescue Sqaud to the Sandbox Realm

[muted moon]

wait what if hello engineer takes place after the mayak event or a version of it

[ripe berry]

Yeah the skybox is purplish

[safe charm]

So Heres what we have about the guest hes an entity thats attracted to negative emotions he can posseses people

And enter their dreams

And he can transform into

[unkempt sleet]

Manipulative and can turn into a crow

[safe charm]

A crow

[shell gull]

AS Guest we don’t know any abilities

[safe charm]

Thats what we know

[muted moon]

he seems to be able to make an entire world (guest world)

[ripe berry]

I feel like the Thing has some form of tie to the storms as well

[safe charm]

I just see them as the same

[shell gull]

It’s a pocket dimension

[safe charm]

Currently

[unkempt sleet]

Yea, same

[ripe berry]

Assuming Manifestation is correct then the Thing has it's own pocket dimension similar to Guest World

[shell gull]

Mhm

[muted moon]

act 4

[safe charm]

Hes basically acting like hnvr guest in

The teaser

And hnvr could actually fit

[unkempt sleet]

How? Wasnt Thing just representation of Nicky's trauma

[ripe berry]

This is the Fear Rooms and the Act Finale Thing Bossfight area

[shell gull]

That’s just normal Old Lore Guest

[ripe berry]

Both areas also have a storm in the background

[muted moon]

wait what if the guest is a rewriting of the thing

[ripe berry]

It's still a anomaly in RB so I'm saying it's possible

[safe charm]

The guest just is the guest imo theres no

Old and new lore

Guest

Just the guest

[muted moon]

like the thing but better

[safe charm]

I dont think they changed him that much

[unkempt sleet]

The Thing also being a manifestation would be cool

[shell gull]

Thats fact

[unkempt sleet]

Guest is Guest

[shell gull]

The Thing is a manifestation

It’s fact

[unkempt sleet]

Yea, but not a physical one like Guest

[safe charm]

The teaser halv proved that we thought he was gonna be a dumb demon but the teaser showed otherwise and that hes actually smart

[shell gull]

Yeah a mental one

[muted moon]

the thing hasnt appeared since hn1 fg, so maybe the guest replaced the thing

[shell gull]

Wha

[ripe berry]

This is also reflected in the physicality of their pocket dimensions

[unkempt sleet]

Well thats because we havent played as Nicky since HN1

[shell gull]

I’m out of this channel it’s brain dead rn

[safe charm]

I also think the nest will be in hn2

[unkempt sleet]

The Thing is representation of Nicky's trauma

[ripe berry]

The Guest World can interact/be accessed with reality

[safe charm]

And you should just be nicer imo

[ripe berry]

Meanwhile The "Thing World"/Fear Rooms can only be accessed mentally

[safe charm]

When we are talking

About lore

[ripe berry]

Secret Neighbor:

[unkempt sleet]

That sounds cool

[muted moon]

that is definitely true since you still have the guest doll once you enter the actual basement area nicky is in

[ripe berry]

Actually

That room is also Guest World

Look through the whatever those little window-like things in basements are

You can see the same Purple Storm Skybox

[muted moon]

what if guest world is a distorted version of reality

[ripe berry]

meanwhile in the ending scenes it seems to be daytime (tho it's hard to tell since it's just different yellow-ish shades)

Also this may sound like I'm just headcanonning this but I think Act 2 takes place ~9 AM

My evidence? The Clocks

[muted moon]

also i guess act 2 is semi real since hnvr house has extensions, and a massive fence

[ripe berry]

In Every Act the Clocks in Ted's house are always oriented in the same direction, which is not the normal direction for the clock to be facing in

In Act 1 all the clocks in Ted's House read 3:30

in Act 2 the clock is 9:00

and in Act 3 the clocks are 6:15

the normal reading for the clock when placed down is 12:45, leading me to think these are the actual times the Acts happen

[shell gull]

Coming back to add to this, there’s also the fact if Manifestation is true it would make sense when taking in The Nest, during VR Ted is sad and deep inside giving that void look to The Nest, in GN2 when Ted is angered and wants Revenge The Nest is a dark maroon like color.

[ripe berry]

3:30 is likely 3:30 PM when based off the ToD of the Act

[shell gull]

Or it could just be retcon

[ripe berry]

9:00 is likely 9 AM since you ain't telling me it took Aaron 9 Hours to do what the Guest wants

[ripe berry]

yeah

[muted moon]

yeah but in book 3 its a stormy night

[ripe berry]

and 6:15 is PM due to the time of day when moving in being Sunset

[ripe berry]

Either way the clock can still work by having it instead be 3:30 AM instead of PM

[shell gull]

Also we know Nicky seems to believe Ted had fears as well, since we see even in The Thing World after he beats it and can escape, he sees Ted also in there, showing that Nicky got over his assumptions of Ted.

[muted moon]

book 3 kinda retcons act 1 though

[shell gull]

The intro yeah

[ripe berry]

Yeah it kinda retcons but the time still works even with the retcon being accounted for

After all it's a clock

[shell gull]

Gonna go

[ripe berry]

You can't read if it's AM or PM from the Clock

You only get the Time

So I'm going to treat Act 2 being at 9:00 AM as canon

until we find proof they retconned that time

[muted moon]

that would make sense since hnvr takes place during the day

[ripe berry]

Yeah I used HNVR to figure out it meant AM in the first place

[teal imp]

do you guys think they try to make HE tie in with the AS lore (it would be done poorly)

[ripe berry]

According to Alex they will

[teal imp]

aww lame I always imagined act 2 being at night

[muted moon]

why dont they just give up on making the AS the canon lore

[teal imp]

I sorta hope they listen to my feedback because I genuinely think it would add onto the game #1112492394378690662 message

[ripe berry]

Unless you believe Aaron took ~12 hours to do what the Guest wants it kinda has to be AM

[teal imp]

alex is stubborn it seems

also he has proven with the AS retconnings and hn2`s launch that he makes dumb decisions

[teal imp]

I just wish the game actually took place at night like the promotional material

[ripe berry]

Yeah I do too

[teal imp]

logically the events of the game would take place across the span of a day

[muted moon]

the atmosphere and enviroment looks like hn2a2

[teal imp]

honestly most of my issues with hn would cease to exist if Alex didnt intervene too much in hn2`s development and the entire lore

he is a CEO I dont think that means he is a lore manager 💀

I genuinely dislike the direction this whole franchise is going and I want them to stop it with this AS bullcrap

[shell gull]

Watch Ep 6 take 80% of it being references

[teal imp]

I cant get myself invested into the story anymore because for the things I liked are non canon now

[muted moon]

yes since theyre still taking like 20 years to upload episode 3

and as is stupid

[teal imp]

why did he think it was a good idea to retcon everything

[shell gull]

Because

Children

[muted moon]

for the kid friendly and the game theory videos

[teal imp]

like this whole thing confuses me

[teal imp]

couldnt have he done that with old lore?

[muted moon]

of course

[shell gull]

No

[teal imp]

also its clear game theory is never gonna touch hn again

[shell gull]

They need corny jokes

[teal imp]

so making a new lore aimed at 5 year olds makes things worse

[shell gull]

And family gaming references

And funny kid jokes

[teal imp]

old lore actually felt mysterious with new lore its all easily predictable and boring and bland

[muted moon]

at least they still kept the old guest

since it looks like the guest is completely seperate from the cult and seems to be trying to destroy it

[teal imp]

are you sure? why would alex feel the need to reintroduce him in the AS and act like he never existed before that

[muted moon]

he seems to still have the whole manifestation thing

[shell gull]

No

They didn’t

Barely

Sure yeah elements

But not the same

[muted moon]

whats not the same

(hn2 fg guest not AS)

[shell gull]

The Guest is just using the Cult and to assist itself, in Old Lore he did all of that and also for power and more to gain over and spread.

[teal imp]

hn2 literally had tapes of the cult summoning the guest

[shell gull]

Yeah

[teal imp]

he is a demon now

which was the lamest route they could have taken him

[muted moon]

in hn2 it looks more like hes about to start some sort of rampage around the area content update is in

[shell gull]

Yeah

Not something The Guest would do

In Old Lore

[muted moon]

also it looks like hes trying to help/manipulate quentin

i wonder where we saw that before

[shell gull]

It’s manipulate

Like I said

Elements sure

But the character is very different

Gotta go

[muted moon]

in very old lore (hg) he just straight up floods the entire town and causes a tornado

[shell gull]

In very old lore

He was just a costume

And extra very old lore

He was a cultist

Which was changed quickly

For reasons

[muted moon]

he wasnt?

[shell gull]

Huh?

He never was

At least after like a day

After the prototype

[muted moon]

he wasnt a cultist in the prototype

[shell gull]

No

It was hinted a lot

Such as Quentin being Ike

Which was true

In HG

[muted moon]

im pretty sure in very old lore quentin just straight up stole ike's identity

[shell gull]

Mm

Gotta go

[teal imp]

but wasnt Ike already dead when HG took place?

[muted moon]

exactly

he was dead before lucy died

it feels more like identity theft

[teal imp]

also I remember seeing another theory saying he was meant to be Norman Darby in old hn2???

[muted moon]

wait are you talking about old missing journalist or the cultist

oh your talking about old missing journalist

[ripe berry]

Quentin could've been meant to be Norman

Same Appearance

[muted moon]

one of ike's middle names is quentin

sounds a lot like identity theft to me

[ripe berry]

I was saying Old HN2 Quentin

not HG Quentin

[muted moon]

you didnt specify which era of hn2

[ripe berry]

Should've specified

The topic was about old HN2 so I thought I didn't need to specify

[muted moon]

here

[shell gull]

He was just Norman

M.J. Is just a remake of him

Hell M.J. Might be AS Norman

[muted moon]

i know but i get norman and one of the forest protectors mixed up

[ripe berry]

Gordon Cleave? That's the only one I can see you'd confuse Norman with

Similar name AND Similar Job

[autumn stump]

Where can we talk about hcs?

Cause I have a hc

[wicked heath]

the hell is hc

[autumn stump]

Well where is it tho

[unkempt sleet]

headcanon i think

[autumn stump]

Yeah it is

I want to talk about my hc but idk where I talk about it

Like in a channel

[wicked heath]

uhh idk... I dont think we have a channel for it

[autumn stump]

Can I talk about it here

[wicked heath]

and i dont think we can uhh... talk about those in other chats. Go to #off-topic ig

[autumn stump]

ok

[ripe berry]

I just realized the Red Tape is literally almost the exact same scenario as a part of the AS Pilot: Ted takes something via car to a remote location and buries it while giving a vague speech only to stop himself after hearing someone watching him.

[safe charm]

So

I noticed

Something

Why are we small when we are the guest in hnvr

Isnt guest longer then mr Peterson

[ripe berry]

No clue

[oblique drum]

either a vr thing or just a mistake

[safe charm]

So maybe he did actually posseses aaron temporarily

[wicked heath]

what tape now

[ripe berry]

Guest is taller but I guess it's a VR Thing

[safe charm]

And leaved

And we are wrong

Its not

Just a transistion

[ripe berry]

The Red Tape

[wicked heath]

the what

[safe charm]

Becouse it could be either way

Either its just a transtition

Or its guest temporarily possesing aaron to

Get to ted

[unkempt sleet]

I am summoned. are we talking about the red tape

[safe charm]

Yes

And that in hnvr

When you play

As the guest you are small

Ok so i actually think its actually not just a gameplay thing

[unkempt sleet]

As the Guest we are small?

[safe charm]

But that Aaron got temporarily possesed

But then

Guest leaved

[safe charm]

Yes

We are as small

As aaron

[ripe berry]

The Red Tape in current HN2, the one with Ted saying something in Wayron Croobian while burying something, it's almost the exact same scenario as the part of the AS Pilot with Ted burying the Doll

[safe charm]

Kinda sus

[safe charm]

Nah

[unkempt sleet]

I think that's just a gameplay thing, it would feel weird to suddenly change heights in VR

[safe charm]

It could be

[unkempt sleet]

the player would feel weird when changing heights

since its VR

[ripe berry]

I mean yeah

[oblique drum]

no its literally just a vr thing(or a glitch) theres nothing more to it

[safe charm]

Well but i believe

My theory but it could

Be that as well

Who knows

It doesnt really matter anyway

[shell gull]

He never got Possessed, just a VR thing that has been closed if a discussion and I don’t know why it got brought back up again, like everything else the Dolls just symbolizes The Guest manipulating him, that why if you reach for the Aaron doll you can’t take it because The Guest will only use Aaron for power, as they can’t just use a bar choice maker or voice acting in the game so that’s the best they could do, like we’ve seen and stated, Gameplay isn’t canon but Lore Exploration and Story is to the AU it belongs in.

[glacial whale]

People that think HN2 full game map is canon

[unkempt sleet]

why

[shell gull]

Ik

It’s goofy

[shell gull]

Because

Goofy

[safe charm]

Well nothing

Goes against both

It could be either lol

[ripe berry]

HN1 Map is more likely canon

Since it fits the most details the games give us

and the books

GAAP's Location in HG Lines up both with HN1 and the Books

There's a Bench behind the Player's House roughly where the Mayor's House should be

SN uses it as a base

HN2 Beta Map is literally uses the Lake section of the HN1 Map as a base

and HN2A2 uses it as a base

So in my eyes the HN1 Map is the closest to a canon layout we've been shown

[shell gull]

Ehhhhhhh no.

[shell gull]

As it still lines up in AS AU kinda

[ripe berry]

Yeah it fits both AS and "Old" Lore

[shell gull]

Mhm

[ripe berry]

Heck in AS they bothered to add back the Water Tower to the town in the same direction it was in in HN1

and while the HN1 Map may seem like two streets, there's more streets that just don't got actual street on them and therefore look like simple paths

[shell gull]

I did notice that

[shell gull]

In AS the street is just a long road

It’s really odd looking

[ripe berry]

I realize HN1 seems to have quite a bit of things that were modified and properly put into the canon afterwards like the 4 kids on the Blood Waits thing turning into the 4 Teens on the Ferneh Welt that died according to the Nicky Trilogy

or the randomly detailed Background House that seems to have been retroactively tied to MitH

Black Car, the Hat, and we see MitH use HN1 Binoculars in HG so it ties in

[shell gull]

Yeah these are weird tie ins.

[shell gull]

Mhm

[ripe berry]

The statue from HN1's Hand Symbol was reused as one of the symbols on the fountain in HN2

[shell gull]

Did notice that

[ripe berry]

Also I wonder what the "Act 1 Incident" as Imma call it could be

Basically if you didn't know behind the Spawn in Act 1 one can barely see this Incident behind them