#lore-discussion

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teal imp
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also I hate how in new lore its implied Mya`s death is no longer a freak accident

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the cult is somehow responcible for Diane`s and Myas death

silver vine
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it was the case in the old lore as well

teal imp
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atleast myas death was Aaron`s fault

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now its just not

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somehow

silver vine
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wdym

teal imp
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the blame seems to be put on them

silver vine
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Aaron did kill Mya

teal imp
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the tapes youtubers were sent and stuff

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it paints a picture of the cult planning all of it

silver vine
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they never "planned"

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the cult cursed the family

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with bad luck

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thats why the blame is put on them

teal imp
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in the tapes its implied they did more than that

silver vine
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not really

teal imp
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with ted blaming them way more than just the curse

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(not ingame tapes)

silver vine
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the curse is all they did, and thats why all the bad things happen to Ted and his family

teal imp
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the weird tapes that tb sent to youtubers (seriously? what if someone threw the package away without opening it???)

silver vine
teal imp
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"safest road in RB" its less mysterious and more comical at how much Ted sucks at driving his own damn car

silver vine
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the ancient curse is all they did, and that has been the reason for all of the bad things happen in the family

silver vine
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he sucks at driving so much

teal imp
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also I hate how they changed Mya`s name to Mia

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and the dates being moved up

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theres so many pointless changes that just make the story worse overall

silver vine
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I dont see how dates affect anything

teal imp
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Act 3 being in the future really rubs me the wrong way

silver vine
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I dont really see the problem here

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how does it matter in what year it takes place

teal imp
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also comparing ted`s and nickys car in act 3 you can tell both are from diffrent time periods

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thats just lost in the AS

teal imp
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with all the 90s tech

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I liked that most of the story was in the past

silver vine
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well, I think I have told you well amount of times

teal imp
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now its in present day with smartphones and modern slang exists

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its just a downgrade

silver vine
teal imp
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also it would be way more easier to expose the shit thats going on in RB with the internet

teal imp
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it just being in the 90s made more sense

silver vine
teal imp
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thats not canon no more

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meaning the logic of it doesnt apply

silver vine
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its canon to old lore

teal imp
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yes but old lore had an explanation

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trinity could have shown her parents the pictures in episode 1

silver vine
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then they would've scolded her on sneaking into the house of their neighbor

teal imp
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they already evidence with the crying and him planning something with the pinboard (which contains a person who died not long after the picture was taken)

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seriously them having access to smartphones and the internet just make it so everything can exposed easily

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including the existence of the guest

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who is now just some random demon

silver vine
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or is he?

teal imp
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that doesnt seem to have any relation to ted

silver vine
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we have seen very very little on the guest to say this really

teal imp
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like hnvr establishes something with the guest and ted

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and hn2 doesnt tie into that at all

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its such an interesting thing that was wasted and ignored

silver vine
safe charm
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So hnvr is new and old lore combined

teal imp
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they should have just stuck with the 1996 date

safe charm
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But then we wouldn’t gonna get lines like cringe

teal imp
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I would rather have chetah maritza than the one thay says cringe

silver vine
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they should've stuck with the 1998 date

teal imp
ripe berry
silver vine
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I mean

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it does have unlucky coins

ripe berry
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So if HNVR combines the two lores then is it canon?

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to either lore?

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or is it like HN2 where it ever so slightly doesn't fit into one lore

silver vine
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prob

ripe berry
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I mean I guess it's like HN2

teal imp
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if it is new lore they would have done a better job connecting it with hn2

ripe berry
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I feel like they just establishing the Unlucky Coins are the new luck devices for the cult after the Aaron Trilogy

indigo quest
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I have a theory

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indigo quest
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this has got to be canon

gray oasis
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teal imp
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ok so

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according to tinycrow

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not all of hn2 would have taken place in 1996

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does this mean Ted`s time machine would have played into that?

pale urchin
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Looks like it

shell gull
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So idrk

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But if I was to say

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If there was then ig yeah

teal imp
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From the self proclaimed lore master said that book was meant to tie in with hn2

shell gull
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That doesn’t mean

teal imp
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And that most but not all of the game was meant to take place when nicky is a child

shell gull
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It means they connect

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HN2 was supposed to glue and explain what the sequels possible trilogy was

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It doesn’t mean it literally

teal imp
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Bro did not read my messege 💀

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An 8th book wasnt planned

blazing latch
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shell gull
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I meant when you said HN2 and RD were to connect

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teal imp
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#hello-neighbor message

teal imp
shell gull
shell gull
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Most likely

teal imp
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Literally just swapped the clothes

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shell gull
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Since there’s the A1 and 1.5 Plot

teal imp
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Im starting to think old hn2 might have actually had something to do with the funny HE time machine LucyYi

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teal imp
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Now im imagining Quentin accidentally sending himself into the future like the clumsy idiot that he is

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Absolutely comical

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teal imp
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We WERE ROBBED of the peak silly time travel shenanigans

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I probably spelt that wrong but who cares

shell gull
teal imp
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Nah man Quentin goes into the keyhole dimension

shell gull
teal imp
shell gull
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Since I’m the early pre early access switch build

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A.K.A. Patch -2

teal imp
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I hope they keeo the nest its a silly location with the potential of a lot of silly stuff happening

shell gull
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There’s the e crow man shelter theme that played in one area

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Which Micheal suspected to be where you would encounter The Guest and crow man shelter

teal imp
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Honestly now I wanna make my own bad alpha 2 fangame where the plot is absolutely unhinged

shell gull
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He’s making exactly that

teal imp
teal imp
shell gull
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Full on game I’m pretty sure

teal imp
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I thought it was a mod

shell gull
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It’s an actual full on fan game

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Skip to the end

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He talks about the game

teal imp
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Wha

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How did I miss this Vector lore

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I hate dyno

shell gull
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Yeah

shell gull
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I love this shit

teal imp
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"Based the new lore of the books" if only that was true

shell gull
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Ahem

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Mayak

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Cult

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Guest

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Uhh

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Ted parents

teal imp
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Those are unrecognizeable

shell gull
teal imp
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The cultists arent even the same characters

shell gull
teal imp
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The closest thing you have is the mayo and tavish

shell gull
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Mm

teal imp
shell gull
blazing latch
teal imp
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Literally his redesign is funny

shell gull
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teal imp
shell gull
teal imp
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But teds dad looks exactly like ted but he looks fancy

shell gull
teal imp
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Pretty sure it was vectors profile picture at one point

shell gull
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?

blazing latch
teal imp
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teal imp
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The story takes place in modern times rather than the 90s which is a pointless change that needlessly overcomplicates stuff

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shell gull
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This one?

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Cuz if it is

teal imp
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And Nicky no longer even knowing Aaron is quite lame and sorta ruins his motivations

shell gull
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That’s just Ted

teal imp
shell gull
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Wearing glasses

teal imp
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Theres another photo of him with teds mom

shell gull
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That’s different

teal imp
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That was in books but he uses the new design

shell gull
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His face is different

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shell gull
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In that one

teal imp
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That still looks like Ted

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shell gull
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The glasses one is just Ted

teal imp
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Send the other photo

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He still looks nearly identical to ted

shell gull
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I don’t have it but I assure you

wicked heath
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Its based on the newspaper about Ted’s career

shell gull
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They are different

shell gull
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It’s just Ted

teal imp
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Also about the AS I dont get why they felt the need to make the act 3 house real

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It was bad enough in hn1

wicked heath
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They added glasses to him

shell gull
shell gull
teal imp
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I hope they dont make it cornier than book 1

wicked heath
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He did not

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teal imp
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Sadly the fart machine is still canon....

shell gull
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teal imp
shell gull
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My brain rn:

teal imp
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Part of me hoping that their trying to do a bad reveal of nicky actually breaking teds house because he knew Aaron

blazing latch
teal imp
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Because rn nicky as a character just sucks its not like he even saw Aaron get dragged down into hell

teal imp
shell gull
teal imp
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Also act 3 is bad why would they ever bring it back

shell gull
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Like corny comedy

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Remember

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“Cringe”

teal imp
shell gull
teal imp
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Still predictable if that happens

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Book 1 might still be canon if thats the case which would tie into the fart machine being in hn2 (its really important to the lore trust me guys)

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It will tie everything together im not insane I swear

shell gull
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Well I mean

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It’s the kick starter of the rest of the main books

teal imp
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Its also hnd

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I dont see why they would be making it and adding new lore stuff like Nielsen if it wasnt gonna matter

teal imp
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No freaking way

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The lore channel is finally dead lets goooo

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🦀

pale urchin
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My honest reaction

unique vine
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I'm in that back

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I'm that dancing egg with blue shirt green hat and shoes

pale urchin
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They're actually beans

silver vine
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that would indirectly mean that there were meant to be parts of HN2 which took place in the future

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also the desc of RD says that it directly ties into HN2

silver vine
teal imp
# silver vine actually Nicky wasnt supposed to know Aaron in the OG HN/HNHS lore

I mean to be fair in the OG lore he literally sees mr peterson kidnapping someone and he wants to help out. In the books his motivations were made to be more personal and it only made sense that he would know his next door neighbor. New lore seems like a step backwards in that regard because he doesnt even see it happen he only breaks into the house because of a minor suspicion

silver vine
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he prob saw Mr.Peterson doing something suspicious

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thats what I think

teal imp
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ehh

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its downgrade compared to those things

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I just hate how he is completely sidelined and his motivations are non existant

teal imp
shell gull
shell gull
teal imp
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we see nft (neighbor for trailer)

tribal talon
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okay

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somebody

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help me

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im lost

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this lore is giving me fnaf lore ptsd

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what is canon

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and what isnt

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bc someone told me secret neighbor isnt canon

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neither are inventor, scout, or bagger

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and now im hearing it is

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what is secret neighbors place in lore

teal imp
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Oh buddy

teal imp
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Hn1 cant even be considered canon anymore because of the Animated Series

tribal talon
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wait actually

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bruh

teal imp
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Pretty much all of the games except games

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Alex insists it makes sense while it doesnt

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Sn used to take place after act 2

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The entire game was imagination tho

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The kids planning to break in

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Hnvr is them doing the plan

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And the other 3 kids are canon they just dont appear in the books

tribal talon
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so basically

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secret neighbor matches are what ifs

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and hello neighbor vr is what actually happened

teal imp
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They appear in the animated series but like delroy and finch are sidelined HARD. And Ivan is the traitor (they spoiled that)

teal imp
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Unless you consider the AS and hn2

tribal talon
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yeah i remember hearing about ivan being the traitor

teal imp
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Because those contradict hnvr and hn1 and pretty much all the other games

tribal talon
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delroy and finch get sidelined how?

teal imp
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They are side characters

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They dont even break into the house

tribal talon
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why cant they just be consistent jesus

teal imp
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In hnvr finch does

tribal talon
teal imp
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Delroy gets captured at the tutorial but he does technically break in

tribal talon
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bro

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delroy just became the bottom of the barrel now huh

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first he became the "default" character

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then he was associated as being a noob

teal imp
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Honestly I dislike the lore changes before hn1 act 1 was in 1996 now the AS has smartphones

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Alex said ita modern times now

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This shit doesnt make sense

tribal talon
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then he is the tool in tutorial for testing neighbor stuff on

teal imp
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I hate the animated series and what its done to the lore

tribal talon
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and now this

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bro

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what even is the animated series

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like

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why cant some stuff just be canon

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and some not

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just have ur main story

teal imp
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Theres no point in making theories because all the games were retconned and people already know what happens in half of the animated series

tribal talon
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and have non canonical stuff

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it aint gotta be that deep

tribal talon
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and the fact that it hasnt even come out yet

teal imp
tribal talon
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wha-

teal imp
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So 6 years worth of lore down the drain

tribal talon
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bruh

teal imp
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I really hate the direction the franchise is heading

tribal talon
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but the secret neighbor story did adapt to animation?

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dude it seems more like it wants to be fan service

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through all the characters in there

teal imp
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Alex is deadset on the AS being the new canon despite it being a major downgrade that completely destroys the continuety

tribal talon
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to get everyone all excited

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dudeee

teal imp
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Nothing makes sense anymore and my investment in the lore is non existent

tribal talon
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the fact that its more confusing than fnaf lore

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scares me

teal imp
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It was rather simple from what I can tell before this shit happend

tribal talon
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it was

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until secret neighbor came out

teal imp
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Secret neighbor was non problematic

tribal talon
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yes

teal imp
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Its just the kids making up stuff

tribal talon
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because it was considered non canon

teal imp
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It didnt really affect the lore

tribal talon
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wait fr

teal imp
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It was canon it was just imagination

tribal talon
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oh

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and the vr game

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jesus

teal imp
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The vr game ending is literally the act 2 intro

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But from Aaron's pov

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But appearantly Aaron doesnt save Nicky in the AS

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Despite that being the case in hn1 and even hnvr

tribal talon
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dude

teal imp
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Nicky saves Aaron despite that making NO SENSE

tribal talon
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why dont they make animated series be an AU

teal imp
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They also changed hn2's story late into development to fit in with the AS and I would say they did a sloppy job

teal imp
tribal talon
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dude

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so the original story was revelant before they changed it?

teal imp
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Also you know the act 3 house?

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Its real now

tribal talon
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what-

teal imp
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Its no longer the manifestation of Nicky's trauma

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Look up hello neighbor animated series on google images and you will see it

tribal talon
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dude

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the consistency

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its lacking

teal imp
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Not to the CEO

tribal talon
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watch them throw a "none of it was real actually! it was all a dream!"

teal imp
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According to him everything will make sense and will be tied in perfectly

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Despite everything weve seen so far doing the complete opposite

tribal talon
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dude

teal imp
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Its just a huge dissapointed seeing everything go down this route

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I genuinely wanted the story and games to improve

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They were on the right track with hn2 but then threw it all away

tribal talon
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jesus

teal imp
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Its dissapointing

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Im just waiting for patch 9 to have something good happen

tribal talon
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whats coming patch 9?

teal imp
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The only thign so far that hasnt dissapointed me is hnvr

teal imp
tribal talon
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oh for hn2?

teal imp
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We got this teaser a month ago

tribal talon
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dude

teal imp
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My main concern is that they will be using the AS lore guest which seems to be a random demon instead of being the manefestation of ted's grief

tribal talon
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the fact that he wasnt ALREADY in the game

tribal talon
teal imp
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Neighbor

tribal talon
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oh

teal imp
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Theodore Peterson

tribal talon
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dude

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guest is a demon?

teal imp
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Alex said so in his presentation at Devgamm

tribal talon
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but we get the other characters instead????

teal imp
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He was also planning on making us wait for the guest to appear in the AS first before adding him into hn2

tribal talon
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...

teal imp
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Thankfully those plans seem to have been scrapped

teal imp
tribal talon
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when is the animated series even coming out

teal imp
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We have the first 2 episodes

tribal talon
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ik ab those

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im talking the rest

teal imp
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Anyway

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We were so supposed to get new episodes in the first quarter of 2023

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That has long passed

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I dont even know whats going on

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I just want the AS gone

tribal talon
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i dont want it gone

teal imp
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Its genuinely left hn way worse than before

tribal talon
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i just want it either to make sense

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or not be canon

teal imp
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Too bad

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Alex decided to do it this way

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Which is like the worst decision he could have made if im honest

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It makes most of the fams upset

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And only the people unaware of the books are satisfied

tribal talon
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ive never read any of the books 💀

teal imp
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Book 1 is corny

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But they genuinely had a good story

tribal talon
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reset day i heard is just fan service

teal imp
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The AS takes that story oversimplifies it and turned into this unrecognizeable mess

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All the characters are direct downgrades

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In my opinion Nicky and ted had it the worst

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Ted was actually smart and creepy in the books and kind of messed up

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Now he doesnt even talk and grunts 24/7

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Nicky went from a kid concerned about his best friend to a kid that breaks into his neighbors house for shits and giggles

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In the AS he barely has any reason to do what he is doing

tribal talon
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dude

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ngl that shits and giggles part got me

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lmao

teal imp
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Anyway everything related to the AS is just one massive dissapointment

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Even hn2 took a hit because of it

tribal talon
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isnt the motive for nicky in the AS him thinking ted is a murderer

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and thats it

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?

teal imp
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They changed the story really late into development because of it

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Now hn2 barely even has a story

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Things just happen

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And at the "end" everything the player has done is undone meaning the whole game was for nothing

tribal talon
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wdym

teal imp
# tribal talon wdym

The entire game you try to save Aaron only for him to run back to his abusive father at the end

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Before Quentin can do anything he gets hit in the head with a hammer and the game just ends

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Meaning everything that happend in hn2 was for nothing

tribal talon
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dude

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this game

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this lore

teal imp
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Its just a mess

tribal talon
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AS got me like:

teal imp
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Its sad to see things go down like this

teal imp
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The AS is genuinely the worst thing to happen to this franchise

tribal talon
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am i the only one who thinks that games shouldnt be brought to tv

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like ever

teal imp
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They can work

tribal talon
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rarely

teal imp
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For example the last of us was a good adaptation

tribal talon
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...

teal imp
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Most importantly it didnt overwrite the games

tribal talon
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ill brb im in a game

teal imp
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I thought it was good

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I dont mind the changes

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The game is still there and it wasnt overwritten

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Unlike with the AS which made the games be non canon...

tribal talon
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fair point

teal imp
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Anyway I gotta go

gentle elm
# tribal talon isnt the motive for nicky in the AS him thinking ted is a murderer

What i don't like about his new motive is the fact that it implies he has NO connection to Aaron whatsover. He even refers to Aaron and Maya as "those kids". Nicky's character arc in the books was deep and moving. He was trying to save his BEST FRIEND besides also finding out why all of this weird stuff is happening. Nicky so far in the series (which i actually quite like, guess i have bad taste) is really a downgrade from his character in the books. He just breaks into his neighbor's house, convinced that he's a murderer. And he is right, but he is super unlikable about it. I agree that the AS is oversimplifying the story and in a bad way.

ripe berry
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I feel like they changed it to be more accurate to what HN1 and HNHS would imply (no connection prior to HN1) since AS seems to be trying to mix every version of every game into one story

teal imp
gentle elm
teal imp
teal imp
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bassically taking book nicky and giving his stuff to trinity

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which is executed poorly

gentle elm
teal imp
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Trinity`s parents seem to literally be downgraded versions of Nickys parents

teal imp
gentle elm
gentle elm
teal imp
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now Nicky is some unlikeable brat that makes me root for the neighbor

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seriously like all the characters feel so one note

gentle elm
teal imp
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Ted instead of being creepy and smart is just a weird guy that grunts 24/7

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he doesnt even talk

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Trinity`s dream doesnt count because its a dream

gentle elm
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It prevents him from being menacing. Or intelligent.

teal imp
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also they changed dates

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if theres was one thing consistent about hn1 during its development is the time period

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from the early shit you could always tell it was supposed to take place in the 90s

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now that isnt true anymore and the dates have been up to modern times

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with smartphones

gentle elm
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Yeah I don't really get why it should be switched to modern times. The fact that it was set in the 90s had a certain charm to it. Especially like a classic horror movie.

teal imp
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also hn2 the AS game contradicts this

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teal imp
gentle elm
teal imp
gentle elm
tribal talon
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Was the hn lore for hn2 in the books even before it came out?

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Because like the golden Apple Park

teal imp
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my personal theory is that it would have had time travel shenanigans

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Aaron being gone would have probably been a twist as seen in the beta

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but then the AS happend and they rushed to change the story

tribal talon
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I haven’t really read any books of hn I should

teal imp
tribal talon
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so trinity is diabetic

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that flew right over my head lol

teal imp
tribal talon
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wait

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WAIT

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excuse me

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okay but like

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isnt brave apart of the inventors club?

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like

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was part of even the og trio?

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so why in the animated series does she say "im not allowed to walk home without my brother" implying that she isnt apart of it

teal imp
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stop thinking to hard about it

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its clear no effort was put into it

tribal talon
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also

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ivan met ted

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how

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thats kinda of implying already that hes the traitor

teal imp
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he is

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it litterally got spoiled

tribal talon
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ik

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it was so lame

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also

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who randomly brings up at the dinner table

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"yeah that guy across the street? yeah hes a murderer"

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"or the devil"

teal imp
tribal talon
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according to my mom

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trinity may have a pass on the diabetic contradiction thing

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bc apparently

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ur sugar levels are always gonna be high or low bc of ur insulin

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so maybe it was hgih when scout offered, and low when she ate THE CUPCAKE BIGGER THAN HER HAND

ripe berry
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Na that cupcake just doesn't have sugar in it according to Alex | CEO

pale urchin
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I can't wait to try out a veggie cupcake

ripe berry
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Woops forgot to share it

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There

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I know I borrowed some ages/dates from the books but only when it worked with what was established in the lore of those original games and what Nikita has claimed about what the lore was back then

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(Like Ted being 47 during HNHS)

shell gull
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Wait is Diane actually older than Ted?

safe charm
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No

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Mr Peterson is older

manic dirge
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how old is diane?

shell gull
ripe berry
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I put Diane as slightly older so I could use the Germany laws so I could use a Book Date without having to shift back the rest of the timeline by 1 year

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I'm probably also going to create a Timeline from the point of view of someone who has never seen the AS or read the Books to see how much can be gathered pretty much purely (other then some of the stuff I already labelled on this timeline that use Book stuff that doesn't contradict anything the Original Games provide) from what the games (HN1, HNHS, SN, HE, HN2, HNVR, HND, and so I can not leave too many hanging threads HG) and the games alone would look like on a timeline (and see how the HNVR and HN2 stuff could work together in a AS timeline)

tame quartz
pale urchin
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I... love... FROSTING!!!

pale urchin
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Reason on why this dude got banned lol 🧌

keen glen
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Are the neighbors from SN cannon?

silver cargo
wicked heath
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Think of them like the Nightmare Animatronics from fnaf

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They are nightmare versions of Mr peterson

pale urchin
keen glen
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Now it kinda makes sense why their cannon, since in episode 1 or 2 in the cartoon trinity (leader) was hallucinating butcher and clown

shell gull
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SN is the old lore AU

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The reason they are there is because they are manifestations of fear and trauma

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In the minds of the kids

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As they are scared to break in

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At least that’s the best

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We have

ripe berry
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Not confirmed, but highly likely

shell gull
ripe berry
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Actually wait no

snow mauve
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he wears the clown suit

ripe berry
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You're talking about the Thing

snow mauve
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Just to make his daughter happy

shell gull
ripe berry
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Thing being a Manifestation is literally just a fact

shell gull
ripe berry
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the Guest being involved part of it is a theory

shell gull
ripe berry
ripe berry
shell gull
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But they are usually really small

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And there usually is more outweighed against it

ripe berry
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Everything I can come up with requires assumptions of some kind or has another explanation

shell gull
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Also

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In the HE demo

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I only played the first two missions

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Ted now has two Wayron Croobian last names

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There was Teperson

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And now

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Teaperson

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Or smth like that

ripe berry
ripe berry
shell gull
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Never knew

ripe berry
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It existed in HE before the other name was said in HN2

shell gull
ripe berry
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Just look at HE Stadia Early Access Footage

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Teaserpon existed back in that footage just like how it exists now

shell gull
ripe berry
ripe berry
shell gull
ripe berry
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The Crow stops Mya from dying

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Except for the ending

shell gull
ripe berry
#

That's what the point is referencing in some form

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But even then

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The Guest could've already existed back then

shell gull
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As throughout the entire story up until the halfway point The Guest was a side thing that was just there

ripe berry
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So even there there has to be 2 assumptions to make it a valid point

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One: the HNHS Crow is the Guest

shell gull
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Also the Nicky’s drawing in HNVR

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Literally shows The Guest

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Which meant he knew even before HE

ripe berry
shell gull
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So yeah

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We can plausibly say that was The Guest

ripe berry
shell gull
ripe berry
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So that can't be used as a point

shell gull
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So he was born in the G.A.A.P. As early as HNHS

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Which makes sense

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Ted was scavenging off of the park

ripe berry
shell gull
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Gotta go

ripe berry
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So no matter what the HNHS Crow could technically work as the Guest

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We just have to move it's creation date backwards the more Crows in HNHS we want to be the Guest

ripe berry
ripe berry
#

I actually wonder how much they had a idea for back in the HN1-HNHS Days that they added to the franchsie at a later point

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There's the 4 people on Blood Waits that were turned into the 4 teens that died on the Ferneh Welt, a possible MitH House, a possible Guest appearance, etc. Several potential areas to expand in HN1/HNHS they actually decided to expand

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Hell they could've even had the idea that Ted faked Aaron's Kidnapping in the intro of HN1 back then

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Since they gave Aaron's Scream to the Giant Neighbor which could be used to imply the Neighbor just played a scream sound to lure others in

shell gull
# ripe berry This is the only way to make the HNHS Crow work as a valid point against Manifes...

I’m back and also, This would also mean Diane’s death is what sparked his creation, let me explain: the only real time the HNHS Crow appears is at that finale act, as every other part of the game is inside the home and just straight imagination, while the final act is imagination + reality and we we know the HNHS Crow is watching from the roof, along with this we know Ted had to have agony in order for him to be born, and the only prior event before Mya’s death was Diane’s, which makes a lot of sense that Diane’s tragedy is what sparked the rest of the story (this is taking consideration if the HNHS Crow is The Guest).

ripe berry
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yeah

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I mean Diane's Death is kinda the spark for all future events involving Ted and Aaron

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If Diane never died the events of HN1 would never have happened

shell gull
ripe berry
shell gull
shell gull
ripe berry
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So nothing involving the Guest would happen

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Ted wouldn't test time loops in HE

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(Assuming the Guest is a Manifestation at least)

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So yeah Diane's Death either way is the spark for literally everything taking place after that point

shell gull
ripe berry
#

So either way that stupid Pizza Delivery Driver is the entire reason the Guest exists

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If they never crashed into Mr. Peterson's Car when Diane was in it none of this would've happened

shell gull
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We could go further and say if he was never born

ripe berry
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oh no

shell gull
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We could go further and say if his bloodline didnt exist

teal imp
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can someone sum up the current dicussion so I dont have to read all of those walls of text?

ripe berry
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Guest Manifestation theory discussion

shell gull
ripe berry
shell gull
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Read from here

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All the way down

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You will know

shell gull
teal imp
#

anyway people keep saying old tapes that imply the guest is a demon should be disregarded because they were removed. What do you guys think?

ripe berry
ripe berry
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They're probably canon

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I'll say for now they're canon

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At least to HN2

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But there's a Chance they ain't

ripe berry
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They even bothered to change the Crow Grabbing cutscene for that specific scenario

teal imp
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honestly im really unsatisfied with the current state of the lore it feels like they set up something really really interesting but then crap it for whatever the hell the AS is doing

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it doesnt feel mysterious it just feels wrong

wicked heath
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Guest: No! You wont just die clumsily like that! I want the boy to kill you!!

teal imp
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I really dislike how the mayak is just a plot device for alex to easily explain all the dumb changes

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the guest probably would have done something interesting with ted but then they scrapped it due to alex wanting the AS to affect the games story

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now we have this mess

wicked heath
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Lets say Inventor is a spy :)

ripe berry
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(and by Feed From I mean whatever it does to Agony to fuel it's existence)

teal imp
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ok so we have 2 versions of the guest
old lore: literally fnaf
new lore: lame demon

ripe berry
#

Yep

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Take your pick on which Guest you like

teal imp
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god I wish I didnt have to choose

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seriously how are people just okay with the retconnings?

ripe berry
teal imp
#

I really cant get myself invested in the lore anymore because everything I liked is gone in the AS

ripe berry
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Guest is literally just a version of FNaF Lore if Manifestation is true

glacial whale
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Then where’s the originality of that?

ripe berry
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Or well it's basically just FNaF Lore pieces: A being formed from Agony trying to cause more Agony to fuel it's existence

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Literally the exact same as a FNaF Character

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(don't ask how the Guest has so much power I don't know how myself)

teal imp
#

do you think theres any chance for the book lore to be brought back in shape or form?

ripe berry
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Maybe after AS ends

teal imp
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I genuinely believe this franchise is hopeless with the AS

ripe berry
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We don't know what happens in the Mayak Finale

teal imp
ripe berry
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It may create the Book Timeline

teal imp
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hn2 will probs forever have the shit AS lore connections

#

I really want to see the original story of hn2

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its clear by looking at the early stuff Aaron wasnt the main point of the entire game

ripe berry
#

HND is our only hope for finding out the original HN2's Plot

glacial whale
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I like to believe that it’s just two timelines that hopefully could connect even though I never liked the multiple timeline theory the AS changed my mind.

snow mauve
ripe berry
teal imp
snow mauve
ripe berry
wicked heath
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B. Nicky: Oh hey! I didn’t know there would be another me... this is so weird...
AS Nicky: Who the hell is this guy? What kind of loser is this? This timeline sucks!

ripe berry
#

We don't know what they'll do after Season 3 which we can assume would be Book 3

snow mauve
ripe berry
#

Tell me how Nicky would know about the Aaron Trilogy or Reset Day?

snow mauve
#

I doubt we'll see anything HN2 related

glacial whale
snow mauve
ripe berry
#

then you're really telling me they're just recapping Nicky's Books?

#

I mean I know it's a mobile game

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But you should AT LEAST add the rest of HN1 after what's shown in Book 3 in there

teal imp
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honestly

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I find it odd hnd exists

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because wants to throw the books into the trash

snow mauve
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I mean if they're recapping book 1

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Then it wouldn't be a surprise that they'll just recap the whole Nicky trilogy

ripe berry
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(Was the broken Window at the end of Act 2 retconned, was the burnt down house retconned, etc.)

snow mauve
teal imp
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because most of the fans who like the AS havent read the books or know about their story

snow mauve
#

Do you really still believe Alex is involved with one of the games development?

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Cuz Alex is just busy handling AS

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I don't think he's the one in charge of the games

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Except that one hn1 remake that's likely to be planned

teal imp
snow mauve
#

Really? Hn2?

#

Nah

teal imp
#

they changed the story late into development because of the AS

snow mauve
#

But here's the problem

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Hn2 doesn't even

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Fit to any timeline

teal imp
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alex will probs make the team change it

snow mauve
#

Nah

teal imp
#

and in devgamm he said he wants the As to be the main pipeline for future projects

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which was terrible to hear

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also alex said he got AS writers to write hn2`s story

snow mauve
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As more updates arrive

teal imp
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so hopefully they are listening to us?

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seriously tho I want hnvr`s ideas to be expanded upon

ripe berry
#

We'll figure out if HN2 is meant to be part Old part AS or the Old parts are unintentional

teal imp
#

mr peterson being caught by the guest was so cool and it hinted towards something more between the 2

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the main reason im waiting for patch 9 is to see if theres hope for hn2

ripe berry
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I feel like HN2 will be like the Fazbear Frights

#

Parts of it will be canon but parts of it are non-canon

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Or it can give insight into the canon but it itself isn't canon

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Or however those books work

teal imp
#

this wouldnt have been an issue if alex didnt make them change the story late into development

safe charm
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Its the sequel to the first game

keen glen
snow mauve
keen glen
#

Oh

snow mauve
keen glen
#

Hello neighbor lore changed since the last time QuentinOMG

snow mauve
#

His last name is obviously Peterson

keen glen
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Ahh i see

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Been so confused thought it was a new character

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Apparently there is now a cult?!

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🗿

snow mauve
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Since the books

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But it was brought back up in HN2

keen glen
#

I found out about it a few weeks ago

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I swear I haven’t been paying attention to HN2 lore so it changed a lot

snow mauve
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Cuz there isn't much any lore in hn2

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It's just a simple plot

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We are playing as a replaced journalist and collecting some keys to progress through the museum just to free Mr. Peterson's son but apparently it was all a waste of time

safe charm
#

And cult

snow mauve
#

It's just some optional secrets

#

Literally not what the main plot is about

safe charm
#

True so thats basically just the current plot

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You described

snow mauve
#

The current plot is still about trying to free Aaron

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Except some optional finding some small hints and teasers for the upcoming content updates

safe charm
#

The guest isnt a part of the plot at all lmao

snow mauve
#

Well duh

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He wasn't even planned to be part of it anyway since the devs can't think of a way to fit him in the plot

safe charm
#

What?

snow mauve
#

But I guess now the devs have no choice but to add him

safe charm
#

What was he

#

Then

snow mauve
#

And idek how they're gonna handle him

safe charm
#

He was meant to be a part

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Of the game Wdym?

snow mauve
#

Ok and that is?

safe charm
#

Well

#

Um

snow mauve
#

Exactly

safe charm
#

Idk

snow mauve
#

He got nothing to do with anything

safe charm
#

Something

snow mauve
#

Other than the missing journalist

safe charm
#

He was mostly just important in hello guest

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It seems

snow mauve
#

The Guest is just Vanny but worse

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I have a feeling he'll just be some AI

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Trying to attack us

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And that's it

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Nothing too important

safe charm
#

Like it feels like they after scrapping hello guest

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They just tried to force him into

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The game

safe charm
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The original concept would be 2 worlds

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It sounds like a cool concept

keen glen
shell gull
#

He only had purpose in the ending of Old HN2

safe charm
#

Cool gameplay though

shell gull
#

He’s a side character

safe charm
#

Nah

#

Alex says hes a mayor

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Part of the lore

shell gull
#

In AS

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Not game

safe charm
#

They cant make him a side character in hn2 imo

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Or

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Well they can but

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You know

shell gull
#

In games

safe charm
#

Nah

shell gull
#

Except for HG

safe charm
#

Not in

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Old lore

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At least

shell gull
#

He doesn’t even do anything big in VR until the end

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SN

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Is just not

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Accountable

safe charm
#

How lmao

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Hes litteraly very likely manipulating

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Ted in the original hn2

shell gull
safe charm
#

And

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Hes still

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A big character and you

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Cant

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Go off the beta

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A side character to me

shell gull
safe charm
#

Is like nielson

shell gull
safe charm
#

Not the guest

shell gull
#

What?

safe charm
#

Like i dont

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Consider the guest

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A side character at all

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Hes basically as important as mr Peterson in the lore

#

Not nearly but close

shell gull
safe charm
#

Um okay?

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Dont really understand

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Anyways gotta go

shell gull
#

Bye

teal imp
#

The books were retconned

#

And hn1 got retconned so much that it may aswell not be canon

quasi pine
#

Hi

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good game

#

not rigged 🤑

shell gull
silver cargo
silver cargo
#

Nelson is the Guest!

Why?

We can't see his eyes, neither do we on the Guest.

|| This Theorie is obviously a joke. ||

shell gull
wicked heath
quasi pine
#

yeahhhhhhhhhhh

viscid knot
shell gull
ripe berry
keen glen
#

The SN neighbors what do they all Represent?

wicked heath
#

I thought i said it already

keen glen
#

What ?

wicked heath
keen glen
#

Yeah but like i meant what do they represent

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Fear sadness etc?

wicked heath
#

fear...?

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isnt this what nightmares are?

keen glen
#

I dont know just curious dude

keen glen
snow mauve
shell gull
#

The fear the kids have of the Neighbor

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As each of them have their own interpretations of him

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Some are just things they’ve seen

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Such as the clown costume he wears for the G.A.A.P.

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Or The Guest

shell gull
keen glen
shell gull
keen glen
silver vine
teal imp
tribal talon
#

When is the new chapter coming

shell gull
shell gull
teal imp
#

which hn2 was changed late into development to tie into

silver vine
#

not too late into development

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HN2 story was changed during beta times

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thats why the beta was spoiler free

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it was old story

ripe berry
#

Time for over-analysis of the Beta to see what it's lore is!

#

I mean other then the intro HN2 Beta Lore is mostly figured out or pretty straight-forward: Ted arrest fails, Ted Flees, Quentin moves into RB, Investigates Ted's House, this is after Act 2 since if you walk up to Nicky's House it labels Nicky as found, Finds Mya's Grave, Mya found, finds out Ted is in the Museum, Investigates Neighborhood, Gets into Attic, attacked by Guest, Fake Aaron because real Aaron is in Guest World.

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The only thing found in the beta I'm actually confused about that ain't that stupid intro is the Guest Kid Costume in the Basement

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Like why is it there? Is Aaron Guest Kid? Did Ted kidnap Guest Kid? Was Ted Guest Kid? Why would Ted keep this Costume? Why does Ted even have it if Guest Kid ain't someone he kidnapped, Aaron, or himself? Why is Guest Kid Lore so complicated? Does anyone actually care about this?

glacial whale
#

I used to but now it doesn’t seem interesting anymore

shell gull
# ripe berry Like why is it there? Is Aaron Guest Kid? Did Ted kidnap Guest Kid? Was Ted Gues...

I think I had something about that I said in DMs to you once, I think it’s just a symbolic thing, Guest Kid, is dressed up like The Guest, Aaron got into things with The Guest, there’s that image that said “Save Him” with The Guest kid on it, also implying that Aaron needs to be saved, and then in A1.5 Guest Kid appears locked behind that metal door in the attic, just like Aaron was trapped along with Ted, the costume is in the basement, just like Aaron was.

#

The Halloween kids have the most symbolic relationships with characters of many in the story

ripe berry
#

Wait there's a image that says that?

#

I think I remember you mentioning it but I have no idea if that image was even real or not

ripe berry
#

Idk why I was trying to think of it from a lore perspective

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It's probably just a costume the GAC used to sell or smth

shell gull
shell gull
#

The costume Guest Kid had its beak as cardboard

ripe berry
#

So then the question still remains on how Ted got the suit

shell gull
#

We know Gerda is Alien Kid

#

And I don’t think that’s ONLY AS

#

So Ted could’ve been Guest Kid

#

But at the least I’m sure the only purpose in the costumes are meant to be parallels

#

In Old Lore AU

#

Also I haven’t seen a single person notice this: In 1.5 there were 4 people that The Guest kidnapped and trapped, Ted and the 3 Halloween Kids, in RD how many people do we know were kidnapped and trapped in The Nest?, 4 people, Ted, Aaron, Enzo and Pipers Mom.

ripe berry
#

MFW it's a group of 2 Guys and a Woman in both cases not counting Ted

shell gull
#

Mhm

#

Even with Ted still works

#

There is also the factor that we know RD would have something to do in HN2 and also how there is a time skip or at the least a point of sorts pass Act 3

#

It’s possible that the first chapter of the game was about the missing kids case

#

And then the second chapter I’m the future on the time loop

#

But at this point that’s just speculation

viscid portal
#

What happened to Ted after the Catastrophe in Raven Brooks comic?

stiff spire
#

he escaped with the Guest taking his body so basically it's sorta like Venom but instead what happened was Theodore drowned and the Guest took form of him

#

so basically a new host for the Guest

quaint elbow
#

Can anyone tell me what happens in the end of the first game when Mr. Peterson is being followed by the shadow figure

snow mauve
#

Everything was all a dream

shell gull
#

But even though it was his fear

#

That area showed that Nicky understands what Ted was going through

#

Believing he had fears