lore-discussion

[unkempt sleet]

Ivan fits Inventor better than Thomas in my opinion

[tame quartz]

ok well it doesn’t matter since it got retconned

[silver vine]

Ivan Torre

his name is a freaking pun

[teal imp]

I dont like that his name is a pun

[tame quartz]

bendy and the ink machine reference?

Boris / Thomas were engineers

[unkempt sleet]

I dont care if the name is a pun
I look at Inventor's face, does he look like an Ivan? Yea.
Then why does it matter that its a pun

[tame quartz]

Why

[teal imp]

it just sounds dumb

[tame quartz]

but it’s clever

[unkempt sleet]

Thats a spoiler for HNVR, Can you delete it

[karmic ravine]

wait

OMG

i though this was

.

[unkempt sleet]

Talk about spoilers in #hnvr-spoilers

[karmic ravine]

im sorry

i thought this was #hnvr-spoilers

[unkempt sleet]

Its ok

[karmic ravine]

[ripe berry]

May I point something out: I remember someone mentioned in the Files Inventor is also referred to as "GB" and Maritza as "ME" implying at one point Inventor's name would have the initials "G. B." since Maritza's initials are "M. E."

[strange lance]

Inventor the mystery name boy

[karmic ravine]

Spoiler cuz theres 2 pictures from hello neighbor vr endings

[karmic ravine]

anyone got ideas on what i should add?

for this

[shell gull]

Anyone can have any name, a pun is stupid.

Also @velvet fossil can we talk spoilers on VR now?

[velvet fossil]

During this month I ask you to keep only in #hnvr-spoilers

Because it is the only room hidden by the role, if we allow conversations here we will have to hide this room too

[shell gull]

Alright

[thin wadi]

Will there ever be a book 8?

[ripe berry]

probably not

Carly ain't making more HN Books it seems

[pale urchin]

Does carly have her yt channel or something

I want to see what is she up to now

[shell gull]

Carly has left HN

[manic dirge]

damn

[pliant estuary]

tom and Thomas are not short for Theodore, and there not even that similar

anyway can we talk about the lore behind Theadore's electric bill, he aint got a job, how is he going to pay

[shell gull]

Just wanna make this clear for some people, that Ted is highly underestimated, he has everything, Strength to IQ, not only is he able to build mega parks by himself within a week, he also has super strength and super athletic abilities, he’s a menace.

[pliant estuary]

he would crush Afton under his boot

[shell gull]

Yeah even in the spring lock suit, along with that is the fact Ted, an absolute unit, ran scared when seeing The Guest, shows how you shouldn’t mess with The Guest either.

If I was to say, Ted could dominate the UFC and Pro boxing.

[ripe berry]

Welp that's something I wasn't expecting to read today

[lilac oxide]

I don't even want to ask how this is related to lore discussion

[silver vine]

ok

lets end this for good

[silver vine]

its not mystery at all

Inventor's full name is

Ivan Thomas "Jimmy" Torre. G.B the inventor

[silver vine]

he already has tons of money

he built crazy inventions, gadgets and parks all around the world

[unkempt sleet]

Add "the Inventor" at the end

[silver vine]

there

[unkempt sleet]

Now its perfect

[pliant estuary]

but to run an amusement park in your basement, that's gotta be alot money

[teal imp]

could the hn2 dlc be considered canon?

Aaron isnt in them

[unkempt sleet]

Why would it matter if its canon or not

They dont related to anything in the main events

[hazy slate]

probably not late fees

since it seems to take place on Quentin's first day

[unkempt sleet]

So why would it matter if its canon or not, Them being canon or not canon wouldnt change anything

[teal imp]

Quentin would be canon

[unkempt sleet]

Quentin is already canon

You guys always say "old hn2, old hn2"
But you guys always forget the current HN2 characters were in "old HN2"

Quentin was always canon

[pliant estuary]

so theoretical couldn't this be the guest, because he can turn himself into a crow

[unkempt sleet]

Its just a random crow

[strange lance]

The Guest can't be in hn1 or HS, as he does not exist yet

[teal imp]

why does mr peterson have a random crow in his house

[strange lance]

The Guest only starts existing in HE and forward

[unkempt sleet]

Because cool main menu

Not everything has to have a deeper meaning

[safe charm]

Actually Im the crow

im actually a crow

And not a human

Crazy right

[teal imp]

how the hell does a crow type on a keyboard

[unkempt sleet]

He's a Crow man

[silver vine]

yes

[silver vine]

which is just sad

I was really hoping the DLCs would give us some extra extra lore

but turns out the full game itself doesnt give any lore

[safe charm]

I found a computer

And i just use

My crow feet

To step on the keyboard

[silver vine]

HNHS main menu keeps changing andthe number of crows change with the stage you're in

if you're in stage 1, you have 1 crow, in stage 2, you have 2 crows, and so on

[unkempt sleet]

That means Guest keeps duplicating definitely...

[safe charm]

Omg Many guest

Confirmed

[silver vine]

true true

[teal imp]

lore

[silver vine]

jk

[safe charm]

Imagine an army of guests

[silver vine]

but I still think that the crow which bumped on Quenitn's window in HN2 main menu is the guest

no normal crow would just randomly bump into a window

[safe charm]

Haha

[unkempt sleet]

I think its just a dumb crow

[silver vine]

crows arent that dumb

they are one of the most intelligent animals

[safe charm]

It would take away from the guest scary personality

[unkempt sleet]

I dont think an intelligent crow man would also do that...

[safe charm]

Also guest

Isnt dumb

Lol

[silver vine]

guest did that to scare Quentin

[unkempt sleet]

Well, Maybe weather of Raven Brooks messes with their navigation

[safe charm]

Imagine thats the guest death scene

In the game lmao

He just bumps

Into Quentins window

In crow form

[teal imp]

this dude knows crow facts!

[silver vine]

yes

I also think that the crow which killed the real estate lady was the guest

[safe charm]

Yea true

Thats likely him

[teal imp]

dumb goose

[safe charm]

But not the window bird

Thats likely just a crow

[silver vine]

guest doesnt like Quentin to be at peace

[teal imp]

also the crow that was pissed at Trinity?

based guest

[unkempt sleet]

That actually would make sense

[teal imp]

I hate trinity also

[unkempt sleet]

Rather than just a random crow

[silver vine]

thats why hes coming and scaring him

[safe charm]

Well maybe

[teal imp]

that is petty

[silver vine]

which crow was pissed at Trinity?

[safe charm]

In episode 2

Remember

After she wakes up

[unkempt sleet]

The one that woke her up

[safe charm]

From à Nightmare

[silver vine]

ah

now I remember

[unkempt sleet]

I like that Guest is able to turn into a crow tbh

[silver vine]

now it seems like any crow can be suspected to be the guest

[safe charm]

Maybe he coused her Nightmare

[silver vine]

guys

[teal imp]

no way its the guest!

[safe charm]

Rip😭

[teal imp]

ok if it was just a prank

[silver vine]

a crow was watching the family eat in the HNHS alpha

remember

[teal imp]

why would the goose hit himself so hard?

[silver vine]

we were in the crows perspective in the ending, and we flew away

maybe we were the guest!?!?!?!!?!??

[unkempt sleet]

I dont think we should out Guest into the crows that was in the classic HN games

[teal imp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BFnyFDQMek

[unkempt sleet]

Because Guest as a concept, didnt existed back then

[silver vine]

I agree

I was just joking

[unkempt sleet]

Time to animate this meme with the Guest and all the crows that was in the games...

[teal imp]

XD

[safe charm]

Omg theres a crow looking mailicues at me

Hm

[teal imp]

seriously if this was the guest why would he hit himself so hard against the window?

[safe charm]

Yea

I dont think thats him

[silver vine]

to scare Quentin

he doesnt like Quenitn to be at peace

[safe charm]

But Nah

Its not him

Its just a crow likely

Its supposed to be funny

[teal imp]

so he decides to give himself a concussion?

thats so petty

I love it

[unkempt sleet]

Quentin is trying to fly...

[safe charm]

Imagine flying Quentin

Next patch

https://tenor.com/view/puntland-futo-gaas-somaliland-somalia-majeerteen-gif-10968084

[karmic ravine]

in act 3 when mr peterson's house burnt down, why is it not the act 2 house? cuz act 2 was the last house nicky has been to at mr peterson's

[lapis sonnet]

act 2 was a distorted memory

[karmic ravine]

it was?

like a dream

?

[teal imp]

yes

[terse grotto]

hi i'm looking for people to play secret hello neighbor tomorrow at 1:30 pm french time more info in private

[teal imp]

act 2 was also shockingly short

when nicky escaped the basement

he instantly ran back to his house

[shell gull]

Act 1-2 are distorted memories of Nicky’s as he didn’t recall what happened and is simply fragments from HND, as he had Dissociative Amnesia.

[pale urchin]

Act 2 was actually fun

Especially finding 3 ways to escape

Even though, those 3 ways are just Nicky running away...

Tbh, if they are planning on a remake, they better add in additional detail endings to add up the games toll

[strange lance]

act 1 is real

act 1 is real, act 2 is distorted of what really happned, act 3 is just act 1 but tramau mode

[fiery otter]

did Nikita help work on the books?

[strange lance]

Yes he did

[fiery otter]

so is the basement in HN1 canon? Because in the books it's described as a makeshift amusement park, but in the game it's a dark reflection of the house upstairs

[strange lance]

The park is behind the big door with the 3 locks at the end of the long hallway

The big basement was in the books too

[fiery otter]

I should re-read the books

[fiery otter]

What caused the house to burn down?

I never knew the exact cause

[pale urchin]

It is canon by now, old lore are now important

[shell gull]

Here’s the thing, that’s before HND, now with diaries, we have Nicky’s Dissociative Amnesia, which doesn’t work with Act 1 being an actual event, along with the fact it’s messed up anyways with how it plays out.

[shell gull]

Well, it was most likely The Guest, since Old HN2 was going to explain who burned it down, and the closest we have to Old HN2 is the beta, which supposedly had the Old HN2 ending, therefore making it The Guest.

[teal imp]

I mean the latest hn game hnvr ties into pretty well

90% of the people I kniw here dont

And neither do I

Its messy

And gets a lot of things wrong about the lore

Sort of but theres one issue

Its considered an AU

People really hate it

Except the CEO who is despretly trying to make it connect to the game while fundementally misunderstanding the story

Hn2 is in 1996

But the AS has smartphones

And has modern slang and words like "cringe"

Also hn2 in the latest stuff added book stuff in the files

Yup

The AS makes no sense

They also made the act 3 house real

Which completely misunderstands the point of it

Its the manisfestation of nicky's trauma

Yes

Its not a new CEO

The CEO has been the same since Tinybuild got involved with hn

[karmic ravine]

hello

[teal imp]

He just got more involved

Well they were wrong

Also

They did Nikita dirty

The him needing a break thing seems to be a lie

Especially since he doesnt even wanna talk about hello neighbor at all

(Nikita is the creator of Hello neighbor)

He got replaced by alexus during hn2's development

And alexus is hated because he made a lot of dumb decisions

He removed the open world simply because he didnt like open world games

And lied ablut the neural network up until a month before the games release

And the changed the steam description to remove all mentions of it a week before release

Not really

Its likely alex also got involved

And made them change the story

Which made it even messier

It doesnt fit into anything tbh

Also the CEO did this once

Yeah umm not a good thing

(Vido was moderator for a long time and he never got payed and quit) tho thats from I was told and I got quite a few details wrong

Vido was responding to Retro here

This was after the infamous guest post

Which explained why the guest was cut

Bassically theybcut him because they couldnt bother to make him work and thought he was too complex for youtubers who have a single brain cell so they cut him so he could debut in the AS and then be added

He also said the guest was never introduced or hinted towards

But thats untrue

We have gn2

Reset day

And ||hnvr||

That made people pissed off

Because almost no one likes the AS

Alex is a CEO

His job is to manage a company

Not do whatever he is doing with the hn lore rn

Also I really hate what they did with nicky in the AS

I liked book nicky

But the AS gives his book personality to trinity while turning him into an unlikeable brat who had no good reason to break into the neighbors house

Trinity in the AS is simply a worser version of book nicky

Book nicky was best friends with Aaron and they set up his motivation for breaking in pretty well

Also Aaron in hn2 is poorly handled

Aaron does not want to escape because he thinks he deserves to be locked up forever (he accidentally killed his sister in hnhs)

Hn2 Aaron is a crybaby that cant make up his own damn mind

My add advice is that you ignore hn2 and AS

[mighty ember]

true

[lapis sonnet]

yes it makes more sense for act 1 to also be a distorted memory, but we should just listen to what nikita says

but i would call it one in the grand scheme of things since it doesnt fit the book

[fiery otter]

I'm pretty sure HND is new lore, meaning it does not tie into Nikita's intended plot

[ripe berry]

Ahem It's heavily implied Nicky didn't know Aaron in AS Lore so it most likely can't be

[fiery otter]

oh

[silver vine]

thats cuz HN2 takes place right after act 2

thats why the house is still there

[silver vine]

well, HND is just a retelling of book 1

[fiery otter]

do you mean old or new (or both)?

[silver vine]

both

[silver vine]

and Alex said books arent canon

when asked about whether HND is canon, he said his infamous dialogue

canon is a flexible term

thats prob gonna be the same thing hes gonna say when hes asked about HNSR

[fiery otter]

alex is not a reliable source

[silver vine]

true

but, Im just telling what he told

[fiery otter]

Nikita is the one with the original vision for the story, so what he considers canon trumps everything else

[silver vine]

I dont understand what you're talking about

Nikita helped with the books

heck he even said that books are canon to the games

and HND is just a retelling of book 1

@fiery otter ?

[ripe berry]

Alex is a reliable source for AS Lore

Or a somewhat reliable source for AS Lore

so him saying books aren't canon to AS

Means that HND, a retelling of Book 1, can't be canon to the AS

[strange lance]

Alex doesn't even know his own AS lore most of the time. He's not reliable at all

[ripe berry]

he's the most reliable source we have for this sh*t

[ripe berry]

Also again

[ripe berry]

That ain't the AS itself

[safe charm]

I just

Hope the lore gets clear

And whats canon or not

[strange lance]

Never

[safe charm]

Please lmao

I need clearity

My head is hurting

[silver vine]

there is clearity

there is 2 continuitys in HN

one is the books and the games timeline

abother is HN2 and AS timeline

its easy

[safe charm]

Well

Hn 2

Needs to get connected to old lore

[silver vine]

it will never

[safe charm]

If its gonna be canon

To the main

Storyline

[wraith forge]

Yo why isn't the ps5 version of hello neighbour getting updated

[fiery otter]

I meant that the lore Nikita has made and helped with is the stuff that will always be canon because it's from the vision of the original creator

[silver vine]

Nikita helped with the books

he himelf said that the books are canon to the games

and HND is a retelling of book 1

which means HND is canon because its from the vision of the original creator

[ripe berry]

Did Nikita say HND ain't canon? I'm confused here

[silver vine]

no he didnt

but wing here thinks its new lore and so not canon

[shell gull]

Literally has Old lore for all the memories

[silver vine]

HN2 is the only game which does not tie into Nikita's plot

[fiery otter]

I know he did

[strange lance]

I still find it so funny that the main sequel is the game that's not canon to the timeline

[teal imp]

https://tenor.com/view/dissatisfied-dissapointed-discontented-displeased-unsatisfied-gif-12198866

[silver vine]

don worry the number will increase

HNVR and HND are prob the last main timeline games

all other games which comes after that will most likely follow AS lore

[strange lance]

That would suck

[silver vine]

we just have to accept it

[teal imp]

im going to burn down tinybuild hq

and no one will stop me!!!

[fiery otter]

they're gonna give you a warning..

[delicate rapids]

hi have a lore question

do we have a confirmed date as to when Diane died?

[safe charm]

1995

I believe

[delicate rapids]

do we know the month?

[safe charm]

Um yea maybe

But idk

[delicate rapids]

I found on Hide and Seek that it said somewhere in March-May but in HN2 it very clearly states like, October or something like that, I've been thinking about it ever since I found t but I haven't gotten a hold of anybody to adk

[fiery otter]

modern HN2 isn't canon

[safe charm]

Old one is the canon one

[fiery otter]

yes

[delicate rapids]

I think I have it screenshotted where I found t holdon, it was some like, website that tiny build made, and to makr things more confusing, I think the books give yet another date for her death, at least they kept the method the same

I'll look for that ss

[safe charm]

Its not canon

[ripe berry]

what, I don't remember the site giving her death date, that was a unrelated news article on the RBB Archives site

[safe charm]

To the main storyline

The website

But it is to Animated series

[delicate rapids]

okay so I found my things, here's what I got:
the first article mentioned talks about a horrible storm that happens on Halloween, and it does say Halloween
the article after says that Diane passed away in a car accident due to the road conditions from the storm

[delicate rapids]

I'd the animated series its own timeline sorta thing?

[safe charm]

Yes but as of now hn 2 ties into AS

So it isnt canon

As of now

Maybe updates will change it

In old lore diane

Died becouse of coliding with a pizza truck

[delicate rapids]

yes, and if I'm thinking correctly, it was March 30th [hide and seek]

I remember getting confused when reading the books because that a l s o gives a different date of death

I have no idea what media falls into separate timelines so all my knowledge is a mess

[safe charm]

They really need to fix the canon

[delicate rapids]

fr, I have a binder of notes, and Diane is the most inconsistent character, which is distressing, because she is rather important

[ripe berry]

Um no

Those two events are ~20 years apart

[delicate rapids]

I know that but the articles do not word it that way at all, I can take pictures of them rq

[ripe berry]

I know what the articles say

Those articles ain't even in chronological order

and RB is famous for storms

It's just bad placement of the articles I suppose

[delicate rapids]

i suppose that is true, but even going by that, that alone contradicts Hide and Seek, though if it's a different timeline or just not canon or whatever than I guess it just adds to confusion for nothing

/nm

[ripe berry]

RBB Archives is a part of a different set of lore then HNHS is

[delicate rapids]

I wonder why they decided to just, not keep it one thing

[ripe berry]

and as for the Death being in (I think) August instead of March, It seems the Books changed the dates quite a bit because HN1 was in March 1997 but now is in (iirc) Summer 1996

[delicate rapids]

yeah hn1 was March and in the books it was a little before before school started

[ripe berry]

CEO basically just went "Yo guys look at my cool fanfic, if you don't make this canon you're taking a "break""

[delicate rapids]

Im not sure years and such so I'll take your word

[delicate rapids]

PFT yeah

[ripe berry]

and that is how Welcome to Raven Brooks the Hello Neighbor Animated Series was created

[safe charm]

AS cant fit

With hn 2 either really

[ripe berry]

but the RBB Archives sure as hell could

[delicate rapids]

I appreciate the animated series a lot, it may be so horribg lore wise, but anything for more Nicky content, I like insights on the yuy

[ripe berry]

"insights on the guy" more like they completely retconned his character

[delicate rapids]

yeah yeah the archives, if they just had a little more detail, I'd trust them fully

and y e a h, okay fair, now that I think about it, they did a lot better in the book than in the seried

[ripe berry]

and gave his original character traits to Trinity

[delicate rapids]

they did, that upset me

[ripe berry]

(Hell they even took Nicky's Parents' character traits and gave them to Trinity's Parents)

[delicate rapids]

oh my god yeah you are right

[ripe berry]

None if the CEO of the company has anything to say about it

[delicate rapids]

I really liked the books because they went along near perfect with hello neighbor diaries, it made me happy to see a book actually follow a game

[ripe berry]

It was more like a game following the books since the Books came first

[safe charm]

Its weird that they are making trinity

The main protagonist

[delicate rapids]

oh yeah your right my bad, still nice to see

[ripe berry]

But the games and books have always been meant to be one story from start to finish (well... the Guidebook TRIED to fit with the others from the time at least...)

[delicate rapids]

I haven't seen the guidebook yet, I'll need to get it

[safe charm]

Yea to me thats the offical story of hn

[ripe berry]

The Guidebook only follows what existed at the time of release (HN1, HNHS, SN, and the first 3 of the Books)

[delicate rapids]

I trust HN1, HS, HD, the books, and I think that's really it, at least that I can think of rn

and when I say books I mean at least the first two, haven't gotten to the others yet

[safe charm]

Becouse that was the original plan

For the story

[ripe berry]

Because yes, Secret Neighbor is canon, along with Hello Engineer and Hello Neighbor Search and Rescue (or Hello Neighbor VR as it's also been called), if you've ever heard of those games

[delicate rapids]

yes I do know those, I'm glad those fall into the actual story, since search and rescue recently came out in obviously not super knowledged et

[ripe berry]

The Third Book leads directly to and covers Act 1 of HN1

[delicate rapids]

oh that makes me happy and excited

[ripe berry]

Just telling you that now

[delicate rapids]

just a question, what are you thoughts on the other kids? like trinity and Enzo and the other guys

[teal imp]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-memoji-gif-23490017

[pale urchin]

For a joke

[unkempt sleet]

Oh wait whats this

[velvet fossil]

It's a bit of a heavy joke, I get it, but please avoid joking like this. Discord does not understand jokes when they involve threats.

[pale urchin]

I dont think discord is a person...

[velvet fossil]

It's a platform with rules

[pale urchin]

Right

[hard bone]

if i'm on ps5 can i play with someone on pc?

[snow mauve]

No

[hard bone]

Thanks

[snow mauve]

If you're talking about secret neighbor then no

[steel portal]

and how do you fit the lore of hn1 with secret neighbor?

[lapis sonnet]

secret neighbor is just the kids imagination, the only real story is the whole time they are just planning how to save nicky in their backyard

they actually follow through with the plan in hnvr

[steel portal]

okey

thanks for the info

[keen glen]

I believe that in secret neighbor when the neighbor transforms into a child the kids are imagining this because of the fear of being in a strangers house, like in the secret neighbor cartoon episode 2 trinity was imagining the neighbor chasing her and stuff just a little theory. (Repost)

[snow mauve]

You do realize animated series is not connected to the games

[shell gull]

Yes and No, the Neighbor is a Entity Manifestation of Trauma and Fear, which that type can transform into any form, and the one in SN is simply there imagination as they are scared to break in.

[languid geyser]

Im pretty confuse by the ending of hello neighbor vr but here are the timeline i try to build:

Hide and seek

Hello Neighbor act 1

Seacrh and Recuse ending

Hello Neighbor act 2

hello Neighbor 2 dlc's

hello neighbor 2 main story

hello neighbor 1 act 3

[delicate rapids]

what's the ending to search and rescue? [you can dm me so there's no spoilers]

[thin wadi]

You can also ask people in #hnvr-spoilers

You are allowed to view spoilers there

[languid geyser]

here are the timeline i tryed to build:

[karmic ravine]

what dlc?

[languid geyser]

HN 2 late fees then back to school

[karmic ravine]

the dlcs are canon to the lore-

[ripe berry]

Back To School can't happen before HN2

they recently added times to Quentin's Watch

the time at the Barn Tutorial is before the Time at the end of Back to School

[languid geyser]

this is just the timeline i try to build:

Hide and seek

Hello Neighbor act 1

Seacrh and Recuse ending

Hello Neighbor act 2

HN 2 late fees

HN 2 back to school

hello neighbor 2 main story.

[pale urchin]

search and rescue

[languid geyser]

to me the timeline make sesne to me.

it doesnt really feel that confusing when i look at it that way

[delicate rapids]

I agree with everything with the exclusion of the HN2 content, but that stuff just feels disconnected for the time being, but I'm fine with putting it there

[karmic ravine]

im not 100% right with this

HE and SN are on there because thats when nicky was still missing in those games

[delicate rapids]

I agree that they should be on there, don't forget to put HN act three at the end though, even if it's obvioud

[karmic ravine]

oh i forgot about act 3

[delicate rapids]

I also think that HN diaries is a game people always forget about though I don't know exactly where it would fall on the timeline

[karmic ravine]

oh yea

[delicate rapids]

if I had to guess I'd say right before act one, kinda during hifr and seek

h I de

[karmic ravine]

act 3 goes first then HND

[delicate rapids]

OH yeah you are right I forgot that was in his head

I was thinking about his memories

[karmic ravine]

lol

[delicate rapids]

that game feels so not real I always forget about it

[karmic ravine]

fr

feels like a fan made game

[languid geyser]

im sure act 3 would be somewhere decent in the timeline

where mr.peterson finally grow a white beared?

[snow mauve]

He's probably dead

[delicate rapids]

I'm pretty sure that act three takes place in like 2017 or something goofy like that

yes yes accurate timelinr

[karmic ravine]

hn2 alpha 2 is on there because thats when the cops arrive at mr petersons house after nicky escaped

[snow mauve]

Remove alpha 2

And replace it

To beta

Cuz we seriously know nothing about alpha 2

[delicate rapids]

he's in his 50s during act 1, Nicky is like in his 30s by act three, so he would only be in his 70s somewhat around act three

[languid geyser]

think mr.peterson would get kill by cult

[karmic ravine]

i said why i had alpha 2 on there

[snow mauve]

Nope

[languid geyser]

hear me out

[karmic ravine]

[snow mauve]

He got killed by Guest

[languid geyser]

what if they come and save quentin

[karmic ravine]

so mr peterson dies at one point-

[languid geyser]

i wasnt even done yet

[snow mauve]

Well duh

[karmic ravine]

oh damn

was aaron alive when he died

?

[snow mauve]

Aaron wasn't there

[languid geyser]

oh i see

[karmic ravine]

there goes the peterson family, last one died

[delicate rapids]

is that his canonical death?

[languid geyser]

so thats why you think hes dead

[snow mauve]

Yep

If you ignore the new lore

Aka the animated series

Which I would rather do

[karmic ravine]

yea i ignore the AS

wait

[delicate rapids]

what's it from [yeah I will ignore the series, though idk har far they are going to go into the timeline]

[languid geyser]

ignore both but i wont ignore the history about the perston family

[delicate rapids]

I ignore the as, though I do take little bits and pieces of it for headcanond

and stuff

[karmic ravine]

what are we gonna do about act 3 when nicky dreamed of mr peterson once the AS comes out with the kids going to act 3 house

cuz they made the act 3 house real now..

idk why

[delicate rapids]

oh my god I forgot they were going to the act three house that infuriates me

[karmic ravine]

fr

[snow mauve]

Cuz "world class writers"

[delicate rapids]

god act three is such a masterpiece I have that they are messing with it

[karmic ravine]

my favorite act of HN1 might be act 3

[shell gull]

Not really, we don’t know, but he’s most likely Unconscious and kept that way by The Guest.

[shell gull]

It was Self Therapy

[delicate rapids]

where is this from?

god I love act three it's just so good and makes me feel so comfortablr

[snow mauve]

Graphic Novel 2

[snow mauve]

Raven Brooks Disasters

[languid geyser]

i'll brb

[delicate rapids]

I'll have to buy that

[languid geyser]

im gonna find the video that explains the history of the peterson family

[karmic ravine]

have yall seen my timeline yet

not the one i posted here

[snow mauve]

You know most of the videos you'll find is just outdated and simple shit that doesn't explain everything

[karmic ravine]

i had another one

[languid geyser]

either way.

[karmic ravine]

from like 2 years ago

[languid geyser]

its still apart of the lore

let

it

glow

[karmic ravine]

glow*

[languid geyser]

i be right back

[karmic ravine]

[snow mauve]

You do realize hn2 beta and full release does the same lmao

Plus the Beta fits more because of HNVR's ending

[karmic ravine]

hows this

[shell gull]

If your talking games only I guess kinda

[shell gull]

First off that’s an alpha.

[karmic ravine]

im talking games

yes

[pliant estuary]

is Quentin cannon in the original lore

[unkempt sleet]

Yes

And dont say to me "Ahhh but HN2 isnt canon"
But Old HN2 was canon and i dont think we were playing as someone else in that

[pliant estuary]

old HN2 as in beta, or alphas

[unkempt sleet]

Old HN2 storyline, I think its Alpha 2 era but idk

[shell gull]

Mostly beta but a lot of A2.

[teal imp]

Wait is the AS pilot canon to old lore?

[safe charm]

No

I think they said it wasnt canon

And more of a test

[lapis sonnet]

no hes dead

its obvious

and it seems from what we know ab hnvr now

it makes gn2 make more sense if anything

in gn2, besides peterson just having nothing left to lose with his family being gone, this whole time the guest has been pushing him/guiding him to do it

in the hnvr ending is when the possession starts, thats why in gn2 he is able to talk to the crow (the guest)

we know now that the crow in his truck is the guest, and has been guiding him to flood the town since the guest's whole motive is to take things people dont deserve

but when peterson has second thoughts and tries to stop the flood, and goes against the plan, the guest kills him and possesses him in order to stop him from stopping the flood

[teal imp]

why does the guest flood the town?

just for the funnies?

[lapis sonnet]

bc his motivation and the reason he exists is to punish

to take things people dont appreciate

[teal imp]

there must have been at least one guy in rb that was perfectly happy with his life

screw that guy lmao

[lapis sonnet]

yup

[strange lance]

I really wanna know why these people decide to stay in town

Like you can leave

[teal imp]

i mean

dont houses cost money?

nicky cant afford to be outside of rb

thats why he moves back

[lapis sonnet]

reset day moment

[fiery otter]

because HN2 old art RB is the best version (at least in terms of concept)

[fast marten]

raven brooks doesnt have a little ceasers so they are delusional

[fiery otter]

pfft

little Caesars is mid

[fast marten]

but the 5 dollar hot and ready pizza :(

[viscid portal]

Wait... that is, the Guest killed Peterson by taking possession of his body! And why do we see part of the guest's sweater at the end of the comic? And why did you decide?

[teal imp]

my country doesnt have one

[fiery otter]

do you work for little caesars? are you obligated to advertise for it?

[hazy slate]

You... YOU!!!!!

[fiery otter]

romeo's pizza is peak

[shell gull]

First off, if Ted died how would The Guest still be around, it would weaken way since there’s no longer a host, which would go against its plan to stop Ted from stopping the flood, before it weakens, he’s most definitely not dead, and is stuck possessed.

I would’ve agreed pre VR

But after VR fixing another plot hole

That wasn’t finished because of AS

Ted is not Dead after GN2

[silver vine]

no

[ripe berry]

damn bro got no access code

[pale urchin]

True

[wicked heath]

this will haunt me in my dreams

[pale urchin]

True

[languid geyser]

yeaht that right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvrg09sJqDE

[snow mauve]

Oh?

Though the HN2 part is just incorrect cuz this video was before the full release came out lol

[pale urchin]

The youtuber should've remaked the video by now

[pliant estuary]

are Nicky's diary's season 2 and 3 going to be waking nightmare and buried secrets

[unkempt sleet]

Probably

[stiff spire]

I wonder if that means we'll see Gordon Cleave at some point

[unkempt sleet]

Gordon Cleave was in Aaron trilogy though, I dont think HND will cover Aaron trilogy

[teal imp]

Playable Aaron?

Oh wait nvm || we already have hnvr for that||

[lilac totem]

he ded

[lapis sonnet]

that makes no sense..

ted being around or not doesnt matter

we dk why it HAD to be ted that he used to flood the town, all we know was he needed teds help

probably bc he was the only one that still had knowledge on how to use mayak

since he has experience using it from HE

ted being around doesnt weaken the guest since the town was already flooding

his plan was basically complete

[shell gull]

I think you literally forgot the whole main thing about Manifestation: If there’s no host to feed off, the Entity Weakens, and in Reset Day we see he’s using Teds mind for his knowledge, if he’s dead he can’t access that, everything I said made complete sense.

[lapis sonnet]

I haven't forgotten, it's just your using a theory I made a while back as fact. The whole "guest needs a host" thing was just speculation based on what we knew, especially from Reset Day

Thing is, HNVR proved otherwise

the guest was living just fine without a host

[languid geyser]

i try find one that only had the history about the petersons so i can put the pieces together for my timeline ideal but i couldnt find it so this was the only thing i could ifnd

[shell gull]

Hahahaha, no, I don’t think you understand VR at all, The Guest, a manifestation, was created by a bond of Aaron and Ted, and was manipulating Aaron, so he could end up…can’t say because spoilers but something happens which most likely leads to the death of Aaron, why, so the Guest can have one host to easily feed off, The Guest has to thrive off of a host still, also the Host thing was a theory since 2020 from others, and was brought back after it was proven it has a host in VR.

[silver vine]

I agree with you

Ted def did not die in GN2

we even see him being locked up in Alpha 1.5, which is prob metaphorical how the guest has locked him up in his body

and, before yall say "ahhh alphas are not canon", the steam post says that alpha 1.5 has secrets which tie into the actual lore

[karmic ravine]

this is prob gonna be no but i wanna make sure

are the alphas canon?

[silver vine]

no

[karmic ravine]

alright

[hazy grotto]

Stupid question

How did Piper's dad die?

[teal imp]

(im not gonna spoiler this because its something that player can see 5 seconds into the game)

It seems like Nicky knows who the guest is

which is interesting

[unkempt sleet]

Which means Guest retconned himself into the book lore... /j

[silver vine]

you can also see a version of book 7's guest illustration

[silver vine]

yes that

which again implies that this illustration is what the town ppl describe the guest to look like, and not his ultimate final form like everyone thinks now

[unkempt sleet]

Good

[lapis sonnet]

This is all just speculation, I don't even know where you got the implication that the Guest is a manifestation of ted and aarons bond

[lapis sonnet]

in RD hes described as how the townspeople see him

[lapis sonnet]

and the host theory was never proven

i think that maybe the reason the guest wanted to get to ted so bad to use him for his plan is because of how brilliant ted is

not only does he know how to operate mayak, but hes said to be almost einstien-level genius

[silver vine]

yes

and HNVR also has the same illustration

which means thats how the ppl saw him

but, in reality, he doesnt look like that, nor its ultimate form or final form

[lapis sonnet]

no I mean when they come face to face with it in RD it literally looks like in that picture

[silver vine]

no

it does not

[lapis sonnet]

ill pull up the text in a sec

[strange lance]

feathers-check
long limbs-check
hooked beak-check

seems like that's how he actually looks after draining Ted's life

Better image

[lapis sonnet]

exactly

[strange lance]

why would they make this design, describe the guest as this design, and not have him look like that

[lapis sonnet]

are u asking me?

bc tiny crow was the one who thought that

not me

[silver vine]

then why is this illustration in HNVR

if this is his final form

the ppl shouldnt have seen this form at that time

[lapis sonnet]

thats bc the guest has always been an urban legend, and the townspeople described him like that for a long time, even when he didnt look like that yet

but eventually he literally looked just like his own myth

[strange lance]

Nicky just doodled the guest it a sketchy way and in a simpler way with colors

I don't think it means anything

it's just a sketch

[shell gull]

No it is, first off just like a manifestation he feeds off of people, second he got scared and had a last resort when Ted started to go against it In GN2 hinting it was going to weaken, also he first appeared in the GAAP and took the form of the mascot which it’s type of entity based on what he feeds off is something it can do, he was also feeding off of Aaron in the underground, before what happened at the end where it got its plan to take over Teds mind and also kill Aaron, leading to him to be able to feed off more easily, all of these point to manifestation and most of everyone agrees, and this was most likely the secret of Nikita’s he never got to add.

[shell gull]

Actually no, look at the pin points it’s connected to, it leads to another doodle, which then connects to the GAAP, and that second scribble is NOT the book Guest, it’s literally the first form Guest just no colors, and is how Nicky interpreted him.

RD Guest looks a ton different

And plus Piper literally described the Guest to look like how it did in RD, further proving it’s a manifestation as it grows and it’s from changes based on its first form.

[strange lance]

that's..what I said

[shell gull]

Oh didn’t see that my bad

[strange lance]

I said one is colored and one is just a sketch of the normal one

it's good

[shell gull]

Well

It still has the hooked legs

In the second one

Most likely Nickys interpretation

[strange lance]

Nicky didn't color in the guest's legs I hate him

[shell gull]

But this confirms Nicky has seen it and believes it had something to do with the GAAP, other than that’s it’s origin.

[shell gull]

Lol

[lapis sonnet]

With what we know you could be right, I do think it could be a manifestation. But not a manifestation of aaron and teds relationship, but rather ted's agony. i think the guest and the nest is a manifestation of his agony since the nest always looks like the neighbor's house and includes stuff about diane and myas death, along with aaron being trapped.

[strange lance]

The Guest was made from Ted, and it had to be made in the park as that is the time when the guest saw the statue and took it's appearence and when Ted started grieving over how he couldn't go back to save his family

so it wouldn't be made from aaron

[lapis sonnet]

exactly

[shell gull]

I am bamboozled with Aaron, as there’s little to none on him having a connection with The Guest, but there are moments that it does, so it has been feeding on two hosts, before killing one off, and from what we know about Manifestation there adjacent to how they feed, The Guest first appears from Teds sadness before feeding on both Aaron and Teds agony, before killing off Aaron to get an easier way to feed.

[lapis sonnet]

the nest is cluttered with tragedy that has happened in the neighbors life

[shell gull]

It first formed from Ted but fed off from Ted and Aaron’s bond.

[lapis sonnet]

i dont think its bc they had a connection i think it just used aaron to get to ted

[shell gull]

True

For now we can say only Ted

[lapis sonnet]

yup

[shell gull]

Problem I have is there were hints to it feeding off Aaron, which meant it had another host.

[lapis sonnet]

give examples

[shell gull]

It’s camping out in the underground with Aaron, when Aaron is sad it gets closer to him, and when Aaron tries to back out from him it gets mad and scared, the same way as in GN2.

[lapis sonnet]

bc its trying to get aaron to team up with him, so he could get to ted

[shell gull]

Yeah thing is it seemed to hint he gets stronger

Though for now I guess the opposite

[lapis sonnet]

yep

[silver vine]

my man, I dont even know how grateful I am to you

[safe charm]

Is the underground

The basement

Im confused

[lapis sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/donuts-gif-24477295

[shell gull]

The Underground is the sub levels of the basement where Ted was building his Amusement Park.

[safe charm]

How does the guest gain power i still doesn’t understand it fully

[teal imp]

Im still unsure on how he knows about the guest

[lapis sonnet]

well the guest was yknow around

[shell gull]

Read the books and GN2

[languid geyser]

whats GN 2?

[teal imp]

the 2nd graphic novel

[languid geyser]

oh

how good is puzzle master?

[shell gull]

Really good

[languid geyser]

how good is bad blood?

[lapis sonnet]

eh

imo its a little better than decent

its slow at times

but u must read every single page so

[wicked heath]

Good book. Really good.

[wicked heath]

Me when reading a book with paper called Pages

[lapis sonnet]

i just said it bc some ppl get bored and skip through when they think a page isnt important and just filler

since bad blood is slow

[wicked heath]

I dont do that with books

Because, yknow. A book is to read.

[lapis sonnet]

ik

[pliant estuary]

||Theory: what if the guest didn't take Aaron away, he just posed him, and the way Aaron is acting in HN2 is a mirror to how the guest views Aaron, a baby who cant fend for himself. it would make sense why the guest would feel this way about Aaron, considering every time the guest shows up, Aaron runs away. Which is why it would makes sense if the guest wanted to pretend to be Aaron he would act like a crybaby coward, because that's the only way he's seen Aaron. This may explain why Aaron is in HN2, maybe its not Aaron at all, maybe its the guest. I'm open to hearing other Ideas, this is something I thought about and thought I should share it||

[pliant estuary]

this is me trying to fit HN2 somehow into the booklore, and I'm having trouble

[hazy slate]

spoiler this

[shell gull]

First off, there’s a file of Aaron screaming as it happened, so he does get dragged and killed.

Also The Guest can’t change its form, it can only grow it.

It can change its form in peoples minds though.

[pliant estuary]

he can posses people, that's what I'm talking about in the theory

[pliant estuary]

there my bad

[pliant estuary]

so did Aaron agree to get murdered

[shell gull]

No

[shell gull]

We knew that

[pliant estuary]

||I never said That he changed forms, I said he posed Aaron||

[shell gull]

||Ahh, well that isn’t the case either, The Guest only manipulates Aaron, not Posses.||

[pliant estuary]

so I've been an HN fan for 4 years, I've read every book, played every game, and the timeline still confuses me, so if I were to play every game in order what comes after search and rescue

[pliant estuary]

idk if its hn2 beta or something else

[shell gull]

Old HN2 and Act 3

[strange lance]

It would be the original hn2 next

The closest we have is the beta

Then hn1 act 3, and finally hnd

[pliant estuary]

is there a way to reset my progress in HND

[strange lance]

I don't know

[pliant estuary]

ok, well thank you for clearing up my confusion

what

#off-topic

[karmic ravine]

if act 3/act finale was nicky's dream, how does nicky know that mr peterson dug a grave in his backyard/ from hn hide and seek, and how does he know mr peterson put a missing poster and then the shadow comes

unless the shadow is whats messing with nicky?

[final bobcat]

maybe he saw it when he was little

act 1 and 2 doesnt show every single moment that happened in his POV

only yht breaking and entering part

[karmic ravine]

act 2 shows him waking up

at the start

i did know that the shadow was nicky's trauma

i thought nicky knew mya was dead?

oh

is this also in nicky's dream

[silver vine]

1. Act 3/act finale was NOT Nicky's dream

[karmic ravine]

oh

[silver vine]

...

you really should read book 3

why did you stop with book 1

[silver vine]

2. Nicky sees Mr.Peterson dig graves/grave shaped holes multiple times in the books, but Mya was never there. But Nicky KNOWS that Mya is dead, he finds out in book 3.

3. In the books, it wasnt Mr.Peterson who put up missing posters, it was the police, but in the AS, it is Mr.Peterson who reported that the kids were missing and he was the one who put up the missing posters, everyone knows that he was the one who put up the posters

[karmic ravine]

oh alright

thats cool

[teal imp]

ummm aktually in the books nicky gets past the door

[silver vine]

well, I can create 2021 drama if you want

[teal imp]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-tobey-maguire-stare-sad-gif-25128049

[karmic ravine]

oh no..

[silver vine]

back then, so many ppl thought that books were different timeline than the games

tho majority of the community agreed that the books are canon, there were still many ppl who didnt agree

books got their fair share of criticism

especially after book 7, many ppl thought that the books made 0 sense

ppl argued about how many inconsistencies the books had with the games and how many inconsistencies the books had with themselves

Im not saying the books are bad, they are absolutely amazing, each one of them had amazing story and world building(except GN1), but what Im saying is that the books werent praised that much back then as they are being praised right now

[teal imp]

the AS has even more lmao

like alex felt like it was needed to make even more useless and dumb changes

"nicky saving Aaron" is a good example

[silver vine]

true

Nicky saving Aaron was indeed a needless change

but, I really want to see Aaron's AS design tho

[karmic ravine]

even more lore?

AS sucks

[karmic ravine]

same

[teal imp]

inconsistencies

[karmic ravine]

what

[silver vine]

back then ppl collectively agreed that books are indeed canon to the games, but are inconsistent cuz they somewhat in a different timeline, and mayak will explain that

cuz thats what Nikita

books are canon because of mayak

but now, we have collectively agreed that games and books are one timeline and HN2 and AS one timeline

ah

Nicky finds out in book 3 that Mya is dead

[silent wharf]

Hay is the thing about the tv show on youtube comeing out in three hours a ep of the tv show

[unkempt sleet]

No

İts just a clip from a future episode

Not the episode itself

[silent wharf]

Okidoki

[lapis sonnet]

he finds out at the end of book 3 actually

[lapis sonnet]

thats what im saying

[lapis sonnet]

the AS is just this all over again

then in a few years when we get something worse we are gonna praise it

[karmic ravine]

is the man in the hat canon?

this

[strange lance]

to the main timeline yes, he has just only appeared canonically

like twice

SN and the original hn2

[karmic ravine]

FG?

hn2

[shell gull]

No, old HN2, the OG plot, which still exist in most of the beta and some of A2.

[karmic ravine]

these?

[ripe berry]

no

[karmic ravine]

alpha 2

[ripe berry]

Yeah, the Alpha 2 and the Beta is mainly what we're referring to

[karmic ravine]

ohh alright

[lapis sonnet]

yeah hes a canon character but he has no identity since hes not showing up again

and i like to use him as a visual for gordon cleave but we literally cant since they are two different characters

[teal imp]

how do I get this?

[karmic ravine]

its a secret neighbor event

[silver vine]

SN MITH event

[karmic ravine]

i would glady do a event with you

[teal imp]

wait lemme make a private lobby then

[karmic ravine]

am i allowed to ping helper's?

[teal imp]

dms

[karmic ravine]

okay

imbir, do you wanna the MITH event with us?

@quick dagger

[quick dagger]

in lore discussion?

i get why dw

[karmic ravine]

oops

lol

[karmic ravine]

is that a no

[quick dagger]

no, neversaid no

let's take this to sn chat though

[karmic ravine]

alright

[prime breach]

What's the meaning behind this weird ritual circle outside the Banner?

[ripe berry]

No clue other then being another instance of a eye symbol

Which are tied to the Cult/Guest

[pliant estuary]

timeline

[pliant estuary]

I just noticed waking nightmare is in a different language lol

[strange lance]

you forgot SN and HE

and HND

[teal imp]

it saddens me greatly that this timeline will probably never be completed

[strange lance]

I mean it kinda is complete. We have some of the original hn2, all we really need is a reset day sequel

and the fg of original hn2 of course

[teal imp]

which we wont get probably

we would need a miracle to have a full game of hn2 to be canon

[pliant estuary]

we A2 fangame that actually follows HNs story

[languid geyser]

gezz that is such a werid timeline even i don't understand anything from this alone but its useful

[strange lance]

it's missing some stuff

[languid geyser]

litterally

[shell gull]

HNVR, Old HN2, Old SN, and HE.

By Old HN2 I mean the rest of A2

[teal imp]

if only nikita stayed...

ehh alex would have still ruined it

[ripe berry]

It has HNVR my friend

[shell gull]

What are you talking about?, Alex is great as a producer 😃.

[shell gull]

My bad

[teal imp]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-tobey-maguire-stare-sad-gif-25128049

hn is doomed as long as Alex is in charge of the lore

[shell gull]

Wdym?, Alex is amazing, the AS is great and has great storytelling and perfectly explains everything with no plot holes 😃.

[ripe berry]

Also Imma just ask again SN is almost a month before HN2, how does the Hurricane mentioned in SN that's close enough to cause a evacuation warning only hit in the short timespan between HNVR and Old HN2 of ~8 Hours I'd say

[teal imp]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-tobey-maguire-stare-sad-gif-25128049

[strange lance]

Ted tries to cover up murder and gets away (Bosco Bay), Aaron moves in, Lucy dies, him and his friends break up (books 4-6), Nicky moves in, Diane dies, Mya dies, him and his friends break up, Nicky ends up in basement (books 1-3 and act 1 and HS), friends pretend to save him (SN), friends go to park, are teleported to sandbox dimension, escape sandbox, Ted tries to travel in time to save his family and fails, Ted's grief spawns the guest prior to the kids arriving, the guest sees the park mascot statue and gets his appearance (HE), kids actually go to save Nicky and Aaron this time, they all fail, Aaron is tricked by the guest, guest enters Ted's mind, Aaron frees Nicky and is then taken away into the nest by the guest most likely dying later on, Nicky and all the kids escape the basement, storm hits town around this time (Hnvr/act 2), cops arrive to Ted's house later, Ted escapes to museum, guest makes ted set up fake Aaron trap in the attic, Quentin arrives to town later on after having a dream, Quentin eventually breaks into the attic and is captured by the guest, we don't know what else would've happened (original hn2), Regina and Pris try to leave town as there is a flood, the guest makes them crash, they meet Ted in a truck, Regina finds a entrance into the nest in the truck, the guest mocks her and she gets out of the nest, Regina goes to mayak where Ted is setting up the weather machine, Regina convinces him to be good, Ted goes to turn it off but gives in to the bad thoughts letting the guest possess him fully, Regina and Pris escape mayak as it explodes (Raven Brooks Disaster), Nicky as an adult moves back to town and starts seeing the thing, he goes into his mind for self therapy, he battles the thing and beats his fear, Ted does not however (act 3/4), Nicky sees pictures of him and Aaron and starts to look worried, he goes back into his mind and tries remembering Aaron and what they did back then (HND), Piper and her family move into RB but the whole place is surrounded by a wall and cut off from the world, it's also stuck in a time loop put there by the guest, the day keeps reseting to the day after Enzo went missing, piper and her family try escaping but the guest still possessing Ted keeps them in, piper's mom is kidnapped. The end

full timeline

there you go

[shell gull]

Jesus

Why do long

Why long

LONG

LONG…

[strange lance]

so everything can be explained properly

[shell gull]

Long.

[shell gull]

What purpose does the hurricane have?

[teal imp]

I sent a gif

of a meme

from a pixar movie

and it got tagged as a swear???

[strange lance]

the warning was in SN, HE and hnvr happen and then it hits at the end of hnvr in time for hn2 to begin

also we don't know how long they were in the sandbox either

it could've been days or weeks

months

[ripe berry]

I'd say at least a few weeks assuming time works the same in the sandbox is the same as the real world

[teal imp]

2 months maximum

[strange lance]

it's what makes hn2 the way it was

broken

and rotten

[ripe berry]

Also HNVR both makes Guest being in some way manifested correct but this explanation of it (assuming those drawings in Nicky's Room were from Nicky) False

[teal imp]

ew landfill

[ripe berry]

Because how the hell could Nicky know about the current appearance of the Guest if the Guest only came about during HE

[teal imp]

change artstyle!!!!

[shell gull]

Ohhhhh, that’s why the houses were run down, I always wondered why they had the GN2-RD style.

Gotta go

[teal imp]

I assume nicky moves out durring the hurricane?

[languid geyser]

imagine if we plays as piper in HN 3 lol

[ripe berry]

(also if Delroy did it how the hell does he or the Rescue Squad know about the Guest and what the Guest looks like, they know what it looks like from the park mascot but they don't know what it is)

[strange lance]

there's already graffiti of the guest in HE, so he's existed for a while already. I'll fix what I said since I didn't say it right

fixed

[ripe berry]

Wait if HNVR made the lore change (noting the 7th missing poster in Guest World) then that could also explain why they allowed the Guest to be in SN

[strange lance]

7th missing poster?

[ripe berry]

It's what I call the blacked out missing poster one can see in for example this image

(top-left side of the image)

[ripe berry]

because they also changed it so the Guest existed earlier in the timeline

[languid geyser]

Im kind of really excited if the final update or patch goes into this story wise

[ripe berry]

Unless that's somehow Nicky's Missing Poster it's not a missing poster of any of the Current SN Kids and it's not either of the Peterson Kids (as one can see their missing posters in the image)

[languid geyser]

that kid doesnt really look like nicky tho

he looks really brand new

[ripe berry]

yeah I was gonna say

He doesn't look like any of the kids we know from this franchise

[strange lance]

HQ image

yeah

[ripe berry]

The most logical explanation is he's the upcoming Kid #7

[teal imp]

Im a bit concerned about the 7th kid

[ripe berry]

and (assuming they don't add a seventh bag to sandbox mode in HE) He likely went missing before HE, otherwise he likely went missing before HNVR

[teal imp]

theres no way that kid can be canon to old lore

[languid geyser]

he kind of looks like a mix of enzo and nickey interms of facical features and hair style

put into one

[strange lance]

If this is the AS kid I'm just gonna ignore it

[teal imp]

and we dont see a 7th kid being freed in hnvr

[strange lance]

it means nothing to me

like the coins

[ripe berry]

and since we don't see him in HNVR he likely went missing due to means unconnected to Mr. Peterson or the Guest

(Or he's just plain up dead)

[strange lance]

I hope he's dead

I don't like the idea of having a new kid

we never needed one

[ripe berry]

(Also the picture looks like a male so I'm calling it he feel free to correct me if it turns out to be a she when they're finally added to SN)

[languid geyser]

tho guys isn't it werid that he looks like a mix of enzo and nicky in terms of facial features and hair

[strange lance]

the body is just Aaron's btw

but darkened

[ripe berry]

Yeah it's weird but I don't care

[languid geyser]

alright.

[lapis sonnet]

yeah im sorry @shell gull but ur whole manifestation thing that u swear on ur life is right is false

besides what michael said i also noticed\

aaron had to be able to switch bodies between himself and the guest since, how would aaron be able to even leave his cell where hes being kept in the basement?

i mean think about it, the guest walks through a vent and gets aaron out which is on the cieling, which he wouldnt have access to unless he WAS the guest

[ripe berry]

What

[strange lance]

Even if Aaron did become the guest in that moment they are still separated at the end so I don't see your point

he still dies lol

[pale urchin]

It makes no sense, but is also disturbing to know that Aaron is dead in the old lore

Like, we do know that Aaron unlocks the door to save Nicky

[strange lance]

Also Aaron does not become the guest, he does not merge with the guest or any of that. The Guest and Aaron simply just use the dolls to communicate and tell each other what to do like how the rescue squad use the walkie talkies

[pale urchin]

And Aaron runs away

[lapis sonnet]

then how the hell did aaron ever leave his cell

the vent they used to escape is on the damn cieling

[ripe berry]

Aaron has his ways

[lapis sonnet]

thats a horrible explanation yknow

[strange lance]

I guess the guest can just teleport Aaron idk. How do you explain Aaron ending up outside Nicky's door while the guest is all the way with Ted

it just happens

[lapis sonnet]

thats true

and we still dk where the guest came from

if hn2 ended up like it was supposed to with nikita on the story then we wouldve gotten more answers

[strange lance]

yeah too bad it didn't come out

[lapis sonnet]

yep

so we are just left with questions

[pale urchin]

Yes, maybe

But the thing is, we need to question how in the end of act 2, we can hear something inside the house that broked down or something

That is something that MouseFlash13 said before

"Aaron dies after unlocking the door for Nicky"

[lapis sonnet]

it could be the noise of aaron getting killed, also act 2 is a distorted memory so

[pale urchin]

Probably