lore-discussion

[ripe berry]

I know GN1 - Book 1/HNHS timeline, but I'm not entirely sure of what we know happens after that due to conflicting info from AS, HN2, HE, SN, Act 2, Act 1, Act 3-Finale + Nicky's Diaries, Book 2, Book 7, GN2, and Book 3

[silver vine]

AS shouldnt really be accounted into the timeline as of rn

it has multiple episodes

it starts before act 1, thats sure

but, we dont know when it ends

[ripe berry]

Actually we kinda do

[silver vine]

then tell

when does it end

[ripe berry]

I say kinda because we know it (or at least the episodes they've mentioned so far) end right around the time HN2 Happens

How can it essentially be the intro for HN2 if it ends anytime after HN2

[silver vine]

in 2020, ep.2 was supposed to be the intro for HN2

but now, its obv it has changed

[ripe berry]

They said the 6 episodes they're working on right now will lead into HN2 sometime after that

[silver vine]

ep.2 prob ends with Trinity being kidnapped

[ripe berry]

Give me a bit to try to find where they said that

[silver vine]

but, what I think is, the final episode of the season, could lead up to HN2

[silver vine]

you made a mistake

its 4 episodes

and, they didnt say that it will lead into HN2

[ripe berry]

Lemme find it ok

[silver vine]

they said 2 years ago that ep.2 will be intro to HN2

[silver vine]

I already found it

[median stirrup]

Alex said that "he thinks" it will "essentially" be the intro to HN2

[silver vine]

that was 2 years ago anyway

it has changed now

#hello-neighbor message

@ripe berry

[ripe berry]

No there was something more recent

at least I'm pretty sure there was

and that's where I got the "6 episodes" thing

Welp I couldn't find it so let's just act like I didn't mention it unless someone else finds it

But still it's pretty obvious that AS will essentially be the intro to HN2

Besides the 3 episodes teased so far all seem to happen before/around the time of HN2

and until we get to see other episodes then those 3, they're what I'm referring to by AS

Those three SEEM to have timeline placements of around the time of Book 2(Ep 1.), SN/HE(Ep.2), and HN2(Ep.3)

Before I point out what I mean by I'm unsure of what happens after Book 1/HNHS due to conflicting info, can I post a image from the CCTV Footage of the Peterson Household?

I'm just asking so I know if I can reference it in my explanation

[jaunty hemlock]

What u guys talking about?

[manic dirge]

who did the neighbor kill?

[jaunty hemlock]

Idk no one

Why would he kill somebody

[jaunty hemlock]

Where did u get that from

[manic dirge]

from michealhuff

[jaunty hemlock]

Ok

[manic dirge]

well he didnt get the pic

he just has it

[ripe berry]

AlexN sent it

[manic dirge]

oh ok

[ripe berry]

#hello-neighbor message

#hello-neighbor message

The links are to where he sent them

Also don't forget...

(image also sent by AlexN)

(btw in case you don't know AlexN is the CEO of tinyBuild)

[young kayak]

just

[ripe berry]

(only saying that due to the high amount of Alex's in tB and EGS)

[young kayak]

#announcements message from #announcements

[ripe berry]

?

[young kayak]

(also i accidentally clicked on "dictate the message" 🌚 )

[ripe berry]

well anyways

[buoyant arrow]

Well this certainly isn’t gonna be a kids show

[lyric zephyr]

The Petersons may have their family soup recipe, but it can’t compete with the Roth family’s paprika pancake goop

[wheat scarab]

The second a dollop hits the sizzling hot pan everyone has to take cover or you’ll suffer many 3rd degree burns on different parts of your body

[lyric zephyr]

True

[tribal talon]

i have a theory

the guest is watching the neighbor since hide and seek

that would make sense cause in the ending cutscene of chapter 1 from hide and seek we can see a crow stawlking the petersons and maybe he was also responsible for the car crash

[glacial whale]

The crow bit wasn’t in the full game.

[tribal talon]

and the guest is simillair to the shadow creature a symbol of loss

that could prove it

[lyric zephyr]

The "shadow creature" (The Thing) isn't loss, The Thing is fear and trauma, particularly Nicky's

[oblique drum]

the "shadow creature" is nicky's fear

[tribal talon]

its the fear of nicky and mr peterson

[oblique drum]

the guest is
well
something
originally tho it was probably supposed to be ted but they ended up changing it ig??

[lyric zephyr]

Nope, just Nicky pretty much. And SN but that's like barely canon outside of the lobby, or at least was. Thing is Fear

[tribal talon]

i know now he is a demon

[strange lance]

Um achually it's the SN kid's too (you see it when you kill the neighbor) 🤓

[lyric zephyr]

I just said that you FOOL!

You OAF!

[strange lance]

😢

[lyric zephyr]

You absolute buffoon!!

[strange lance]

I'm such a silly billy SO sorry

[young kayak]

[lyric zephyr]

lmao

[strange lance]

We're just messing around comete lol

Nothing serious

[glacial whale]

The thing is just fear

[lyric zephyr]

The Guest is a demon or some kinda creature tho

[tribal talon]

i meant the guest

[lyric zephyr]

100%

[strange lance]

Thing isn't even physical

[lyric zephyr]

Something very paranormal is what the Guest is!

A ghoul, a goblin if you will. Perfect for the Halloween season!

[strange lance]

Shapeshifts, super strength, messes with lights, possesion, can breathe in water and come out of walls, has own dimension, goes in people's heads.

Sounds like a demon to me!

[oblique drum]

yes it is a demo

[strange lance]

Omg the HN1 alpha devil is back for revenge

Oops meant demon lol

Silly moment

[lyric zephyr]

He can also seemingly teleport, or move very quickly in silence without being seen. Since he managed to cause Pris and Regina to crash then disappeared and had the time to turn into a crow and just, appear in Mr Peterson's glovebox

And also managed to follow Pris and Regina's car and then walk out in front of them miles down the road

When he was seen directly behind it

[strange lance]

Also he can literally turn into a wavy goop thing. His TRUE form. A GOOP monster

[lyric zephyr]

The glooper

Tbh I can't tell if it's goop or just long ripped fabric

Since it kinda blows in the slight wind in Regina's nightmare sequence

[strange lance]

If it was long wavy fabric that would be cool

[lyric zephyr]

Either one works

[strange lance]

You can't look at this and not say he's a demon 😂

Guest is kind of a weakling in the games ngl. He's so much stronger in the books

Then again the books are later in the timeline, so he probably got stronger somehow

[lyric zephyr]

Well, at least he annihilated his way through solid wood barn doors

[strange lance]

In game version when (never)

The Nest is such a cool concept, too bad it's seen ONCE

[lyric zephyr]

Yep!

And also just in Regina's head/mind

[strange lance]

The Nest is the connection between the games world and the book world, that's why it has realistic stuff and cartoony stuff 💀

[jaunty mortar]

it would be really cool to see the guest having a home in the fg

[lyric zephyr]

it also for some reason has the SN radar

[strange lance]

Old art binoculars too

Notice how the Nest has vines holding stuff in the air. ||The museum in HN2 also has vines holding stuff in the air, the Nest is invading the world!||

[tribal talon]

could hello neighbor have a multiverse

[solid dew]

||isn't that stuff just nailed to the ceiling though||

[toxic mist]

woah what is that

[loud tartan]

when the spoilers kicks in

[strange lance]

||some stuff is legit just floating, like the chairs. No nails or vines holding them||

[toxic mist]

oh you deleted it

[strange lance]

I didn't

[toxic mist]

oh sorry

[loud tartan]

it's just because it was a spoiler, it got deleted

[toxic mist]

ok let’s move to spoilers

[strange lance]

||it was just the museum, room with vines||

Ok

[solid dew]

||they're glued to a board or something and then that board is nailed to the ceiling||

[white laurel]

imagine thinking the guest is Aaron 💀

[hazy slate]

Yeah I agree, thinking it's him is for sad theorists, We KNOW it's him. (Real)

[tribal talon]

Y’all think the guest will ever have any lines?

[silver vine]

yes

[strange lance]

Has anyone gotten any of the weather? i keep getting fog

and that's it

[silver vine]

his lines are: Krak krak krack, kra kra krack, kree kree kre

[tribal talon]

Why do they separate the guest and Peterson?

“Like they aren’t the same”

It’s just that Mr Peterson needs to work out tbh

[median stirrup]

#secret-neighbor @strange lance

[chrome sun]

I just finished reading grave mistake and I am 75.9876837467485765647959585664748% sure Gordon the news director is the guest.

[ripe berry]

My friend

Read Puzzle Master

Then see what you think

[median stirrup]

(actually read all of them and then you'll know)

[chrome sun]

Also is Mayor Tavish the mayor in the hn2 beta or someone else?

[tribal talon]

Go to #old-spoilers 😁

[tribal talon]

No

But Idk who Mayor Tavish is

[ripe berry]

Mayor Tavish is the book 4-6 Mayor

[ripe berry]

My brother in Andrew at the end of Book 6 Tavish steps down

Meaning he's no longer Mayor

[tame quartz]

what

guest is a foreign entity, that roams at night, stealing memories from people. They take the form of the people who suffer the most. Anger, Grief, Fear. Hence why they chose Theodore Peterson, and used Regina's sister (forgot her name) to torment Regina. This is Guest explained and no one can convince me otherwise.

They uses the crow outfit as a mascot to make people fear it.

[latent cosmos]

Anybody got theories for this guy

[shell gull]

I Think The Statue In Mayors Lawn Is Mayor Tavish.

[latent cosmos]

Too tall

Darby never got kidnapped

[verbal jewel]

But he did go missing?

You don't gotta get kidnapped to be marked as missing

[silver vine]

one word

Darby

possibly

[lyric zephyr]

Um technically that’s 2 words

[tribal talon]

He must be the brother or something he seems like family-

So what’s really the guest? A ghost a robot Peterson what is he really?

[lyric zephyr]

We don't have an exact answer yet, what we do know is that it's not a robot or a human

It can run extremely fast, pull items out of thin air, can randomly appear in places by just manifesting out of thin air

It's a creature that's for sure!

It's even able to shapeshift and possess people

[tribal talon]

Then he can be a what’s it call-

Cryptic

Whatever he is he’s misunderstood as a human under a suit

[lyric zephyr]

Yep

Cryptid pretty much

[tribal talon]

Sorry typo

Yea

[lyric zephyr]

It's fine lol

[tribal talon]

But what do u think he is?

He’s not Peterson 100% confirm right?

[lyric zephyr]

Oh yeah no he's definitely not Peterson

[tribal talon]

Oh alright

[lyric zephyr]

In Graphic Novel 2 he's using Peterson as a puppet to flood the town, and when he tries to turn off the machine he possesses him

[tribal talon]

Will they show him confirming himself?

[lyric zephyr]

Not sure

[tribal talon]

Wait

In the map

Of hn2

Some houses..

Where flooded

[lyric zephyr]

Well, in the beta yes (which isn't canon)

But that's a good observation

[tribal talon]

Is the book confirm?

Cannon

[tribal talon]

Thx

It’s because

You did say

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah, Graphic Novel 2 is canon

[tribal talon]

The books that

Neighbor is a puppet

And floods the town

The water there in the game doesn’t show it rising but it seems like it will

If the first game is cannon I like to point out act 2 where that one area is flooded nice touch there

Shark army shark bots coming back maybe?

[lyric zephyr]

The first game is canon, but the second act is all just imagination

[tribal talon]

Is it?

Then how do u think Nicky got out in act two?

[lyric zephyr]

Yep, it's a distorted traumatic memory
All that we really know might be canon is Nicky escaped through the back cellar doors and ran home

No giant fences or flooded shark room

[tribal talon]

Oh alright then

I gotta be honest

All these dream theory’s make me go nuts lol

So do u think Nicky will come back?

Or is he gone gone never looking back?

I have another question but I wanna see ur opinion

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah lol, but it was confirmed by Nikita himself for HN1. Act 1 is a real memory, Act 2 is a traumatic distorted memory, Act 3 is basically a dream (though Nicky doesn't actually dream it, it's his brain working things out)

[lyric zephyr]

He might show up in HN2 since he's still a kid at that point, but he's already shown to come back in the Act 3 intro

[tribal talon]

Wait

He’s still a kid?

During hn2?

Didn’t he grow up and the house is burn down?

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah man, HN2 takes place during and right after Act 2

[tribal talon]

Wait-

Oh

Okay

So my question

Where is act 3 taking place?

In Nicky head right?

Where’s Nicky during his dream sequence

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah, the Intro is real life (him moving back to his house with Ted's house burnt down across the street), but the giant house is all in his mind

[tribal talon]

Oh okay then

So that makes me wonder

[lyric zephyr]

Btw here’s the book pages for what I was saying of the Guest possessing Mr Peterson (skipped a few pages to the Neighbor being fully possessed)

[tribal talon]

Who burn the house?

[lyric zephyr]

I'd say either it burnt down on its own or Aaron might have burnt it down

We don't know exactly how it got destroyed

[tribal talon]

Will u think

They will show who burnt it?

[lyric zephyr]

I'd say they might, but we don't know what really is or isn't canon anymore

[tribal talon]

Since the house did show on fire and it’s 100% shown ofc in act 3

[lyric zephyr]

The lore is all over the place

[tribal talon]

Man I have a lot of question I won’t lie

I love this game with a pation tbh

[fossil narwhal]

Sorry for just barging into this convo, but perhaps there'll be a book detailing the events after HN2? We could also get a post credits cutscene showing or teasing something.

[tribal talon]

Don’t be sorry plz

The more the better

I have a lot of theory’s and questions

How can the guest faze tho-

That’s not normal

Man learn wall hacks how

[lyric zephyr]

But WAIT, there’s Reset Day!! The weird book that makes more questions than answers and we don’t know even what’s truly going on in it

[tribal talon]

Jk sorry

How will Arron show in the hn2?

[fossil narwhal]

He will!

[tribal talon]

Since he’s alive and still in the basement

[fossil narwhal]

He's the game's plot point after all

[tribal talon]

Yea but ima be honest

I hope the ending is worth the game yk

Character model wize yk

Oh since ur here @fossil narwhal

What do u think the guest can be?

[fossil narwhal]

Either it was in one of the books but I think it's just some sort of entity

[tribal talon]

If he is just

Some sort of entity

Is there more of him?

Would tiny build push it to aliens or digital beings yk

[lyric zephyr]

I think there’s just 1 guest, but I don’t think he’s an alien

[tribal talon]

He may not be

But

[lyric zephyr]

I think he’s a creature similar to Bigfoot or a Skinwalker, just been around forever

[tribal talon]

Is there any type of animal or creature we know that can faze through items

[lyric zephyr]

Nope

[tribal talon]

It’s odd

He’s build like a human

In a crow suit

But he’s not human

Like a clone of something an experiment perhaps

Something odd is going on with raven brook

Or how u pronounce it

Too many question with the guest

I use to think he was that other guy in that Bible Easter egg

I remember the theory Arron is the guest

[silver vine]

the beta pretty much implies hes in the museum's attic now

[hollow grove]

Fr

[jaunty mortar]

Yea

[buoyant arrow]

||not to mention if you actually glitch behind the curtain In the attic the cutout looks exactly like Aaron||

[verbal jewel]

Suppose he's just the hn Slenderman

[tribal talon]

Yea I suppose too

[tribal talon]

He’s like a slender man let’s say that then he’s a creature of something a ghost from the past maybe?

Is this real?

[silver vine]

yes

its a drawing of the guest

not the actual guest

[tribal talon]

So then

Oh

I was about to say

Could this be

The beast in the guest suit?

[silver vine]

what?

[loud tartan]

what

[tribal talon]

What’s in the guest

Suit

Could it be that beast?

[tribal talon]

.

[silver vine]

no

its just an illustration of the guest

not the guest itself

[silver vine]

its what the townspeople think the guest would look like

its not some beast

[tribal talon]

Oh alright

The guest isn’t human y’all know that

[silver vine]

yes

we know

[tribal talon]

Just making sure

Since the guest be sus

But yea

Do y’all think the guest fits in the story?

[silver vine]

I mean, it does

[tribal talon]

Since we’re during act 2

Do y’all think the guest burn down the house?

I mean when Nicky in act 3 came back to raven brook it seem destroyed yk

[silver vine]

who knows

[tribal talon]

Rusted down

Even his house looks like he\

If Nicky is still young during hn2

Then where is he during all this?

I don’t think we see him tbh

Have we even seen his house in hn2 when we look at Peterson house and turn around

[silver vine]

this is his house in HN2

[tribal talon]

When was this??

[silver vine]

beta release

[tribal talon]

Wow

Will u think it release?

[oblique drum]

this is for deluxe
if they wouldnt release it then we'd be scammed

[tribal talon]

True

When will it release?

[silver vine]

Dec 1

[tribal talon]

Oh ic

[tribal talon]

Is this fake?

[silver vine]

no

its a real leak

from a very very long time ago

[tribal talon]

Hm

If this is real

This can be the guest look perhaps when he controls Peterson?

[silver vine]

yes

[tribal talon]

Yea

Would u think the game will do acts again?

Act 1 Peterson house or act two house got bigger yk

[inner lichen]

The Guest is technically Mr. Peterson, and not.,

Anyone can be the guest.

[tribal talon]

But if it is then-

Peterson is hurting him self really?

[inner lichen]

The Guest is an entity of sorts.

[tribal talon]

A slender man if we can say

He faze through walls like a out of this world creature

He was drawn by one of the neighbors that he’s a beast yk

When he can be actually under the cloths of a crow

But some say it’s not

The guest is a anime or creature unknown forgot the name already

Looking at the guest we see-

A man in a costume

What someone saw and drew in game

[silver vine]

but its not

[tribal talon]

Was a beast

Some say a human

A beast

Peterson himself

A slender man type being

[inner lichen]

It's a depiction of sorts. I don't think it's actually MEANT to be what the guest truly looks like.

[tribal talon]

We got to try and find out what the guest is before the full game

Like yes

We saw his face

But what really is he

A clone?

[silver vine]

guest can possess ppl

[tribal talon]

Or something out of this world yk I know tiny build won’t

[silver vine]

hes possessed Peterson

[tribal talon]

Do the alien in hello neighbor thing

Would they?

Can they push it to alien?

I mean then again it’s there game

But I hope not

The guest deserve a better explanation unlike the shadow man in act 3 of hello neighbor

[manic dirge]

its trash

even hn2 alpha 2 has nickys house

[balmy niche]

Neighbor: I stole your beans

[tribal talon]

It is different

House is getting rotten maybe

It does burn down remember

Act 3 is after hn2

I know

But the guest needs a better explanation

Then the shadow man cuz I know some people didn’t know who the h he was

[lyric zephyr]

Guest probably not

He’s interacted with too many people

Pris, Regina, Quentin, Peterson, Piper,

I doubt it, considering the Guest has paranormal powers

[tribal talon]

If he’s fake

I’m just saying

[tribal talon]

I mean-

He does have paranormal abilities

A ghost yk

[lyric zephyr]

Yep, and then the Guest possesses him
Either Ted full-on drowned or passed out from loss of oxygen

[tribal talon]

Hm

Remember that picture I sensed?

*send

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah

[tribal talon]

The picture that has the neighbor In guest costume?

[tribal talon]

.

[lyric zephyr]

No it’s real

It was one of the old HG teasers

[ripe berry]

Guest is Ted Peterson

[loud tartan]

the guest is the guest ...

[lyric zephyr]

Possession

[tribal talon]

Just wondering

If it’s real

Possesion

But the guest is a ghost then right?

Or something

[lyric zephyr]

He’s some kind of paranormal creature

[tribal talon]

I still wonder what he is

I mean

[lyric zephyr]

The Guest can also turn into/control crows and speak through them

[tribal talon]

What can posses a human?

A inner demon?

Perhaps

[ripe berry]

Ted is most likely dead, and the Guest is possessing the corpse

[lyric zephyr]

I’d say he’s something along the lines of the Wendigo, Skinwalker, Bigfoot, etc
An unexplainable paranormal creature

[tribal talon]

The neighbor is messed up

[verbal bobcat]

the vandals are gone forever too

[tribal talon]

In the head

[lyric zephyr]

The Guest has been seen teleporting (or going extremely fast), controlling/turning into crows,

[tribal talon]

So the guest

Wait guys-

Remember the trailer

The neighbor jump scared

The guest did a jumpscare too-

In the same time-

Coincidence

The neighbor trapped in a room

Remember

[ripe berry]

I mean it's list of powers include: It's now whatever the frick he did in the Beta Intro, Teleportation (HG Extended Ending, GN2), Talking Through Crows(GN2 Intro), Forming from water(GN2), Possession(GN2), Strength(Seriously how can he knock down MitH like that in the HG Extended Ending), Lockpick Locks with his fingers(HG), Texting Through Gloves with those sharp point fingers of his(RD), in-human leaping(SN), Sensing Fear(SN), Forming Boards out of Thin Air(HN2A1.5) and more I probably forgot about, so yeah

[tribal talon]

He’s trapped in his mind the guest could be possessing him and we see a small secret from the Halloween update

I mean cmon we say the alpha isn’t cannon

But look at hn alpha 2 and three and four

Cmon guys

The same house where use some details where use again

Look at the alphas we been getting for our second game

Some characters and Easter eggs have meaning

If they don’t

[verbal bobcat]

remember hg quentin

[tribal talon]

What’s the point in having it in the first place?

[tribal talon]

That’s a pre alpha and we still use that characters guys

Look at the first hn 1 models we got of our character

We didn’t know his name til we got the name Nicky and face til the final game

[ripe berry]

Alphas aren't canon, but that doesn't mean all info in the alphas aren't canon

[ripe berry]

Like Alpha 1 implies Ted's connection to a Car Crash

[ripe berry]

and in final lore

[ripe berry]

Ted gets in a Car Crash, loosing his wife

I know, but the connection was there since the Alphas

The Locked Door in the attic in HN2A1.5?

[tribal talon]

But guys

Everything can’t be cannon yes

Like

[ripe berry]

Also there was a theory when Alpha 1.5 released that the Trick or Treaters represented Nicky, Aaron, and Mya

[tribal talon]

The Bible stuff all not cannon yea

[ripe berry]

Aaron being Guest Kid

Nicky being Pumpkin Kid

[tribal talon]

Yea that’s cannon

[ripe berry]

and Mya being Alien Kid

[tribal talon]

The crow kid is cannon right?

[ripe berry]

Or his costume at least

[tribal talon]

Out of all of them yea

He’s a crow

And a kid

[ripe berry]

again he symbolized Aaron back in Alpha 1.5

If the Trick or Treaters do in-fact symbolize the Peterson Kids + Nicky that is

(or did back then at least)

[lyric zephyr]

Well I don’t really see that considering the trick or treaters just, aren’t really a thing anymore
||And they’re being kept in the museum in display cases||

[ripe berry]

Back when Alpha 1.5 was released

[tribal talon]

How do y’all know all this lol?

[ripe berry]

We know the lore

[tribal talon]

Hm sus

[strange lance]

Ya'll forgetting Alien Girl in HE smh 😞

[tribal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/hella-sus-among-us-imposter-impostor-digibyte-gif-19824591

[ripe berry]

Also the ending cutscene of HN2A1.5 with the knock on the Raven Brooks Banner (at the time the Raven Brooks Mirror)'s door has on record been said to happen in HN2

[strange lance]

who was on the balcony of the office

[tribal talon]

Oh ic

[strange lance]

that door goes to the roof lol

[ripe berry]

Also might I note that every HN2 Build with the exception of the Demo has had implied/confirmed kidnapping in it's ending

HGP - Quentin is kidnapped by Guest in the Bad Ending

HGA1 - The Extended ending has Quentin kidnapped by the Guest

HN2A1 - The Ending implies Ted kidnapping Quentin

HN2A1.5 - Implied kidnapping in the ending cutscene

HN2 Beta - Implied Kidnapping by the Guest in the ending cutscene

Well if you use hacks to get down there you can find a key

Which goes to the back entrance of the Basement

[ripe berry]

So he can't be trapped down there

[tribal talon]

Ooof

[ripe berry]

The files state he is a Journalist

The filename for the Missing Poster

[tribal talon]

A journalist

Hm

Sus

[ripe berry]

Also he is implied to be a friend of Mr.Otto(The Taxidermist/the Guy with the gun)

Imma hop off for a bit

[tribal talon]

Me too ramen and pork chops today

[candid harness]

||Even though they made a new texture for alien kid, so they clearly still do care about them||

[median stirrup]

well no
it's just a makeover in substance that gives it some dirt and edges and stuff they did this with all old models

or most of them at the time but will most likely do it with all models

[candid harness]

Yeah but it shows the meshes are still relevant enough to be updated

So it's something at least

[median stirrup]

well yeah cuz they are used

it's also in a merged mesh with a merged texture so we'll never have the full quality

[candid harness]

They aren't just leftovers

I don't think the halloween stuff is in the museum anymore so I think if they chose to keep the trick or treaters there then they were probably put there for a reason

[median stirrup]

I mean they ||only put them on display in the museum|| and probably won't do more with them

[candid harness]

||Yes but what was the reason for putting them on display exactly? ||

||They still exist in the current story for one reason or another||

[median stirrup]

||I don't know but if they're important then WHY are they on display||

[candid harness]

||That question kind of contradicts itself imo. If they were consciously put on display in the map then there was probably an actual reason for doing so. Obviously I don't know that reason though.|| Not gonna keep this going any further though since this isn't really the right channel

[median stirrup]

||true but what I meant if they are important then why is it just the costumes on display, like there's this whole newspaper still in the game about three kids missing in those costumes but then we only ever see the costumes and never find out about the kids||

[tribal talon]

Hm ic

Maybe he left yk

Escape

Hey

Idk

Just got back

Yea idk what they talking abt

I am really

[median stirrup]

please stay on topic
if you want to have a casual conversation go to #off-topic this channel is for lore

[tribal talon]

Huh?

We are on topic

Just started talking about hn lore

Just wondering if anyone else was on yk

[median stirrup]

there are plenty people always online just not always talking in this channel

[tribal talon]

Sorry

It won’t happen again

Well they where talking about the kid in the crow suit

[median stirrup]

halloween kids

[tribal talon]

Why he’s use a lot

He seems important I assume

Hello neighbor lore

I was mainly talking about the guest

And asking opinions on what he can be

Since he’s very important

And is behind all this

Yea

What do u think he is?

A demon

He could be

What does a demon

Do?

True

The neighbor is turning way evil and crazy

He slaps his face btw

Like he doesn’t sleep

He’s scared he’s having nightmares

Like Nicky did after all this in act 3

My theory

Is Nicky and the neighbor

Have the same demon haunting them

What’s under the suit

Can be the shadow man

And Nicky seeing the shadow man is what’s under the suit and what Happen to the suit?

Burn down in the neighbor house with it

As a mind yk

The house burn down is a symbol of the crow suit burn

But that’s a theory

[tribal talon]

Hello neighbor

Thx I tried lol

The shadow man could be the guest but we don’t know

The shadow man fail on the neighbor

And went to the near person who went through the trauma

And Nicky was the one

The one kid who saw the trauma of what the h Peterson did

Arron well he was in the basement he was stuck trauma yes but not much of seeing Peterson doing

Fake?

I mean

The guest could be too

Goes in the mind

Or is visible

Of Peterson doing

Yk

Like

If u witness Peterson stuff and see what he does

Ur one of the victims of the shadow man

Aka guest

It’s a theory tho

Tried

I tried*

It’s a theory

We don’t know anything yk

We never know who he can be yk

Hey I have a question guys

This is old but I need someone to answer this

Why in E3 we saw the neighbor with our character and say shhh like he’s nice to use???

*us

[lyric zephyr]

It was just something made for the trailer based on the older story

[tribal talon]

Oh ok

It’s weird

[lyric zephyr]

The original story of HN being that Nicky was Mr Peterson’s son

[tribal talon]

I was watching all trailers

And saw the e3 one

But it’s scrap ofc ik that

[ripe berry]

Might as well randomly give a little tidbit that the Guest "takes what (People) don't deserve"

[tribal talon]

Question

Why is the mail man in hn1

Knocking the damn door so aggressive!?

[ripe berry]

It's because it's a Eviction Notice

[tribal talon]

Damn man just wonder

[ripe berry]

The Apartment wants Nicky out as soon as possible

[tribal talon]

He be knocking like no tomorrow

Footage of the neighbor on the phone with a mad face or something ?

Someone trying to voice him saying hello lol

[ripe berry]

This means that the Guest could've had a role in some characters deaths

[ripe berry]

(keyword: COULD'VE)

[tribal talon]

Question so Nicky was suppose to be the son?

[ripe berry]

Yeah Aaron is Ted's son

and Nicky was meant to be

[tribal talon]

So no wonder Nicky sat in the basement

Looking at pictures

If I’m mistaken

[ripe berry]

The old Achievement name for beating the game was "Like Father Like Son"

[pliant estuary]

I'm lost with the HN lore at this point, remember the first 3 books, so simple

[ripe berry]

It's even still the case on the Xbox Version

[tribal talon]

Will we ever save Arron?

And if we do

What will happen to Peterson?

Where does the book take place?

[ripe berry]

We don't know but it's implied that the answer is no

[tribal talon]

Did Arron show up in the books?

So Arron’s dies too?

[ripe berry]

Aaron show up in the books?

[tribal talon]

Like the wife and mya

Does he?

[ripe berry]

Buddy the books are how we know his name

Of course he's in the books

[tribal talon]

Do we see him tho?

Any scene during the neighbor and guest fight?

[manic dirge]

does trinity actually get thrown into the basement or is that just a nightmare?

[ripe berry]

As in in a picture or as a interacted with character?

[ripe berry]

Just a nightmare

[manic dirge]

ok thats what i thought

[ripe berry]

Oh you mean the Graphic Novels

[tribal talon]

Yea like pictures of Arron or anything dialogues

[ripe berry]

Aaron is only implied to exist in the Graphic Novels

[tribal talon]

Anything?

[ripe berry]

But the other books

[tribal talon]

Hm just wondering yk

Hm I have so many questions

Where do y’all think happen when the house burn down?

[ripe berry]

(Missing Pieces, Waking Nightmare, Buried Secrets, Bad Blood, Grave Mistakes, Puzzle Master, and Reset Day)

[tribal talon]

I mean in the books it shown to be flooded

But fire

I wonder who burn it

Down

[ripe berry]

They all have Aaron as a main character

[ripe berry]

Implied to be Aaron

[ripe berry]

Other then Reset Day

[tribal talon]

So it’s like none happen a house burn down oh good lol

What do u think happen to the guest?

[ripe berry]

Where again Aaron is only really implied with like maybe 1 camro

[tribal talon]

What does the book say about the guest fate?

[ripe berry]

After Graphic Novel 2(the one with Ted drowning then being possessed by the Guest)?

We find out in Reset Day

[tribal talon]

Hm

[ripe berry]

Guest has trapped Raven Brooks in a motherfricking TIME LOOP

[tribal talon]

Sounds dumb

But ok

[ripe berry]

yeah remember when this was just "Your Neighbor has a secret in his basement"

Good times

[tribal talon]

Funny moment is catching Peterson shower 💀

[ripe berry]

This is done using the Weather Station

[tribal talon]

Oh a lot

Finding out the guest fate in the books

Nicky and where abouts

Uhm who burn the house

And a lot more

[ripe berry]

Because Hello Engineer establishes that, when concentrated, the odd Weather in Raven Brooks can cause time loops in a area

[tribal talon]

Oh ic

A time loop

So we see the same day every day?

I assume

It’s odd

How can Peterson have the knowledge of time looping?

[ripe berry]

Well the time loop can really be any length of time

[ripe berry]

After his wife and daughter dies Ted starts looking into way to try to change the past

[tribal talon]

I was about to say-

If he wants to time loop raven brooks

[ripe berry]

Eventually coming up with how to make time loops

[tribal talon]

Atleast time travel and fix his damn mistakes

Never take the wife out for that day being

So none of this would happen

[ripe berry]

We can see markings from him testing this stuff through-out the levels in HE

However you can't change the past, can you?

[tribal talon]

I don’t plate hello engineer lmfao

[ripe berry]

Even if he does try he can't change fates without drastically altering the timeline and potentially causing a paradox

[tribal talon]

U can if u know the numbers to dial and the area that happen happen and change the time to a few minutes or time choosing to fix it and be in a time limit of being there and able to change it then when times up u see ur fate in the future

[ripe berry]

(or my theory is that when he tries it simply delays the deaths causing the difference in dates between Books and Games)

[tribal talon]

Right

He probably went far in the future

[ripe berry]

He is unable to change the fates of those around him

[tribal talon]

He is unable

But my question is

The guest

Could be-

Him from the future

Trying to change time maybe?

Now it’s a theory

Before judge just listen

The future him could be the guest trying to either stop him or kill him in the process of ending the loop?

But he’s scaring quintion so he can change the loop

[ripe berry]

How could it do all these if it is just future Ted

[tribal talon]

Every time he visits Peterson he either gets capture or caught and doesn’t end it off

[ripe berry]

Also if the Guest wanted to end the loop why would it trap the town in a time loop in Reset Day

[tribal talon]

Well u got a point

Maybe

He though the same of the neighbor

Wait a second-

Peterson found a way to end the loop

But people kept being chasing him down and he never got the chance to fix it-

And the guest is trying to make the loop forever if he doesn’t

He probably sees to exist yk

My question is

Why do we see the guest and neighbor do the same things

Like partner in crime?

And if we are in a loop

How did we get out?

Because Nicky aged

He moved back home but left before out of the loop-

He left before act two started which never happen

[ripe berry]

The time loop is in 2021

Act 3 (according to the creator) is in 2017

[tribal talon]

2021 okay

2017

He went too far

Then

In the future

And got stuck I assume

My question is still needing a answer did the time loop ended?

How do u think it was broken?

[ripe berry]

In Reset Day the timeloop goes back to November 2nd 2021 and resets on a unknown day in November

[tribal talon]

Unknown day

*hm

[ripe berry]

No because Reset Day ends with a cliffhanger

[tribal talon]

Hm

A cliffhanger

Maybe for the game to show us?

[ripe berry]

A Cliffhanger that is shown on the Front Cover no less

(yes the Guest knows how to use phones and sent that picture)

[tribal talon]

Hm

So the world knows?

Wait a fricken second

A loop

[ripe berry]

No the world doesn't know

[tribal talon]

So when it hits the morning?

Everyone forgets?

[tribal talon]

?

Omg this loop got me just-

[ripe berry]

Only Raven Brooks knows

[tribal talon]

Crazy lol

Okay raven brooks

[ripe berry]

Yes

[tribal talon]

So what does everyone do?

[ripe berry]

The Guest can do the loop anytime

[tribal talon]

Forget when the day hits morning?

[ripe berry]

However there is something that lets you remember past loops

[tribal talon]

Weird

The numbers he put in the loop

That affects the people

Has

They can remember still

[ripe berry]

This is likely the unknown object shown in the Cartoon Pilot

[tribal talon]

So no wonder

The police took down his house

Not just to find Arron

But to find the machine

[ripe berry]

Because it fits the description these objects are given

[tribal talon]

That’s making this “loop”

[ripe berry]

Act 1 is in 199X

[tribal talon]

Everyone is trying to find out what Peterson did and how he did it

199X

[ripe berry]

With X either being 6, 7, or 8

[tribal talon]

Let’s give a random number so when we find out what happens we know yk

[ripe berry]

Because there's conflicting information

The books have it 1996

[tribal talon]

It says online

[ripe berry]

The Milk Carton says 1997

[tribal talon]

1963-

Oh okay

1997 act 1-

[ripe berry]

The Creator implied it's 1998

[tribal talon]

So let’s say uh-

[ripe berry]

Act 2 is 2 months after Act 1

[tribal talon]

Summer 1997?

A month

Let’s say-

[ripe berry]

The Games say it's Late March 1997

[tribal talon]

August of 1997-?

Oh my bad

It look like a summer tbh-

[ripe berry]

The Books, if I remember correctly, have it as August 1996

The Creator never implied any months for Act 1

[tribal talon]

Okay act one takes place?

The year 1996 august

Correct?

[ripe berry]

Act 1 is the only point in the timeline that is unknown when exactly it happens do to the conflicting information

[tribal talon]

Hm

Act two is confirm a month tho right?

After 1

[ripe berry]

2 months

[tribal talon]

Hello neighbor 2 takes place after act two if I remember or told by someone

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[tribal talon]

But u said it took place far future?

[ripe berry]

No I did not

[tribal talon]

Wait

Act 3

Sorry sorry

Sorry forgot

So act two takes place what?

A month or two or a year?

[ripe berry]

2 months

[tribal talon]

Okay

Act three is years tho right?

[ripe berry]

Yes

[tribal talon]

My question is that

How

Did Nicky get older in 2021?

Or whatever year u picked

2017 or something

If

We’re stuck

[ripe berry]

Reset Day is in 2021

[tribal talon]

In a time loop from Peterson in neighbor 2

[ripe berry]

Act 3 is 2017

[tribal talon]

2017

Okay

[ripe berry]

There is no Time Loop in HN2

[tribal talon]

Isn’t Nicky back in town tho?

[ripe berry]

Yes Nicky SHOULD be back in town in Reset Day

But he's gone missing again it seems

[tribal talon]

So he’s stuck too

Why tho?

How?

[ripe berry]

Guest probably took him

[tribal talon]

Did he report Peterson actions?

To the police?

[ripe berry]

Like it did Enzo(Detective from SN)

[tribal talon]

Whatever there names are-

So

Nicky

Quinton aren’t the same

I know that

There both hunted by Peterson and guest

[ripe berry]

Nicky could've been a target of the Guest due to the fact Aaron most likely told him about a old cult in Raven Brooks

This Cult is known as Forest Protectors

What do they look like?

During the rituals the Cultists dress up like...

Before you suggest anything no Guest is not a Forest Protector

[urban fulcrum]

do they summon him tho

[ripe berry]

But there could definitely be a connection of some kind

since we don't really know the origins of the Cult

The Cultists however were exposed and arrested in 1992

[tribal talon]

I will be gone can u dm me the time line u got @ripe berry ?

[ripe berry]

No the cult uses objects known mainly as "Luck Devices" during the storms to... take a wild guess

[ripe berry]

Ok

[urban fulcrum]

mayak

[short fox]

wait are there HN comic books?

[tribal talon]

Yea

It’s confusing when u read it but gets intresting

Thanks to a friend of mine for showing me the timeline in order

When u read it and play the game

U kinda u sweat and

*understand

Fricken typo

Well yea

Still kinda is

Like the birth of Peterson and all that

Confused the f out of me

[strange lance]

HE basically:

Kids go to park to get car parts and end up in a time loop and teleported to the sandbox world where their RV is with a Lucy Yi memorial and other stuff. HE also has many chalk drawings, some references, some lore, like drawings of vandals and cartoon stuff, others are time travel formulas. HE also has the time travel pita from Reset Day.

[tribal talon]

And all the stuff he did in his life growing up

[strange lance]

Also Ted is experimenting with mannequins and using them to test time travel for him, also the mannequins are sentient and some die

np

Yep

[tribal talon]

Yea

[strange lance]

A lot are just dead with tally marks next to them

They die

A lot are caged

Also the Observatory is in the game which is cool

yep

It's where the final battle takes places too

it's really cool

[tribal talon]

Wait really?

Any proof?

[strange lance]

of it being in the Observatory?

or it actually being the Observatory

Because it's literally a Observatory

It has the same big glass dome

from the books

[tribal talon]

Where did y’all find this pic?

[strange lance]

It's a cutscene in the game

[tribal talon]

If it’s

Hello engineer

I believe u don’t play the game lol

[strange lance]

I did beat the game, and I'm also the only one who's entered the RV in the sandbox mode

[tribal talon]

Oh ic

[strange lance]

The RV had no new lore sadly

It was just "Lucy died"

again

[tribal talon]

Ic

Who’s Lucy?

[strange lance]

Lucy yi

she died on the rotten core roller coaster in the park

which is what made it shut down

[tribal talon]

Oh ok

[strange lance]

some things inside the RV

[tribal talon]

These are like

Side story’s

For the main plot of hello neighbor but are cannon correct?

[strange lance]

Well Lucy is/was a main plot point

and HE while being a spin off, and having a lot is imagination parts which are not real, has a lot of IRL parts too which are indeed canon and important

Like the sandbox world while seeming very out there, is real

They also cut a part of the campaign, so, we are missing stuff

[tribal talon]

Hm ic

[pastel chasm]

hello

[tribal talon]

Hello hru

Also what do u think the guest is?

I wanna hear alls opinions

[unkempt sleet]

I think Guest is just a supernatural entity, I'm more interested in what's his purpose is more than what he is

act 3 is not real tho, It's Nicky' self-therapy, Kinda like a dream

like i said Act 3 is not real, The powers are not canon

[verbal jewel]

Well it's a bad thought

Act 3 was a dream

You can super jump in your dreams but you can't in real life can you now?

And guest is just a entity

Alpah 1.5 literally shows us him summoning objects from thin air

[tribal talon]

Hey

[tribal talon]

At first I said Aaron, but now I think it’s either Nicky or just a supernatural being

Hm

Good one

[oblique drum]

nicky is also a kid during hn2

[tribal talon]

Ok

Ik

Yea it’s weird

But what if he wants to get revenge on the neighbor

People said it’s a sequel but

It’s a prequel

HN2?

Yea

Weird

How?….

Like it’s after hello neighbor act 1-3

But no

It’s after act 2

Oh yeah ur right

But before 3

After act 2

My question is

How did act 3 happen!?

Dream

House burn down

Everything rotten down yk

Nicky house is damaged abit

But Peterson house

[tribal talon]

Oh you mean for reall

Burn to the frown

I don’t know maybe police caught him

And he left

He left I know that

He’s at that museum

Mmhm

I like how there more NPCS

More exciting

But what about imbir the cat?

I like how we’re getting npc

Is it the neighbors pet?

I hope for the final

Game

We get more npc

We do

For the final

Game

Same NPCS as beta

Oh good