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guys what will happen if I reach 30 days strike on the academy?
That would be incredible also ngl
nothing 
Do you mean inactivity or
oh
xD
that is a scam
It's an achievement, you've stuck with learning this stuff for 30 weeks. That's not easy
ngl no clue
I been here a while, became a community contributor, after a while they offered a mod position and I accepted
because I really want to work by side my bf
I just tried to help out others and keep the community chill as much as possible
Mod is a volunteer position btw, we don't get paid.
i became a mod in feb 2020 and then stepped down this year
But bro is staff now
now - since 5 years ๐
and staff are always watching
Let me be staff, I'mma setup an HTB office here in Melb 
is he the creator son or somethihng
lol
we gonna do meetups and funnies
look at these awesome badges
We already have an AU office/team
wild this is your calling
guys I am in love with one of the mods

is it @west lynx?
Step off
๐ฅบ ๐
Hacker is mine
is joever for me
imagine being in relationships in 2025
Well.. yes...
yes I am in one
Bro's love is Toxic
with golam and my computer
Oh my
So
i bet the relationship bug reports are banger
What's wrong with me?
@scenic maple when were you gonna tell us? ๐คฃ
๐
see i was one of the first support agents
i found out in discord too ๐ฉ
isw the sole purpose of this group not to seek help ?
golam really love his female cat little fan ๐ฅบ ๐ฅบ
what
You can seek help in the channel for what you need help with except for exams obviously.
Labs
#boxes
#vulnlab
#challenges
#fortresses
etc...
Modules
more like people
hey golam pet me please
Hello
discord should really allow you to Link a category so I don't have to type out channels 1 by 1 
its getting weird bro ๐ฉ
Damn, silence. I'll just go integrate myself with the lawnmower ๐ป
heyeyeyyeye how's everyone doing ?
Good hbu
maybe there is nothing wrong with you
yeah can you tone it down @feral jackal
You got silence cos nothing's wrong with you
Itโs lovely ty Iโm having fun here hru!
@scenic maple you gotta tell us your secret
of what
having fun in uk how is that possible
bro's got em swooned
pics when ๐
kinda feeling a bit weird as i am going to the last round of interviews and not getting selected apart from that yo fate zero anime is soo coolllll
Where did you get this from Iโm eating a steak bake as I type
On moving out day 
Take a deep breath
stop
Fate zero? I never heard of it
thats a weird gif bro
and moving in ๐
send in DM xD
What possible reason do u have of sending that here
anyone here r using this stuff?
free will ๐
wait who are you
it is for golam
8
yep thats a spider
between 7 and 9
...
how is it like 7?
Well that smells like an affiliate link
I'm gooooooooood
lol
Holy crap, bro's access point has more antennae than I have money in my bank account
I will do the metasploit module
if its affiliate u shuld remvoe it
Idk seems overkill
also guys how's the learning from htb without getting the premium one
oh you are right sorry
general cringe again
my bad
htb paycheque cashflow issues?
good
how are you mikcan
this is a ROG Rapture GT-AX11000 Pro router tri-band
i see a spider
What paycheck? mods don't get paid
a electornic one
bro is hiding his jobs to evade the irs
๐
I don't have to evade the IRS, I'm not in US 
self own
i do have a good knowledge about info sec, data privacy and cryptography so like where do i start from ?
the ATO are far easier to evade
Get Started with the HTB Beginners Bible: https://www.hackthebox.com/blog/learn-to-hack-beginners-bible
They literally let you do your taxes on a web form
Hi y'all newbie here.. i begin with my phone but i prefer wait the pc
oh im well aware
on my screen i was faster ๐ฉ
it used to be on that awful app they put out
Good
on everyone elses you were slower
and then some dodgy accountant bought etax.com.au to funnel everyone through
its a competition between me and my old self ๐ช
Ur in Australia?
Yeah, the design it actually got 100% is inspired from spider

cool see y'all later
yeah
Used to study there i regonise the .au
I think I made a mistake not claiming my tax-free on second j*b cos I barely make anything anyway but I'd rather have the gov owe me than me owe them
where do u live now
cool country
Yea
u citizen?
But australia was so much greener
dang 0% tax
figuratively right? cos saudi is literally one of the hottest countries in the world 

Yea
But winters is cool
Yea
i have question, where is HTB HQ?
Athens, Greece
i think they also have free healthcare and stuff
free head removal
Idk never had gone to the er in saydi
winters there can reach 27 degrees C (80F), wdym cool? ๐ญ
Have you ever seen htb hq in NL?
well yeah its not for everybody
thats why the world is big
Thats cold , is it not?
I love you golam
45 is average day
no thats not cold
Htb in NL
No, it's not
cold is like - to 10 /15degrees
Winter is here so its cold
that's a warm day here.
Sorry what
this is not real
average photoshop user
cold in terms of global scale
Anything beloe 23 and im freezing
Wym i took the pic
Photoshop is dead
it can't be real nah
it's 19 here and I'm sweating
Its real bro
i was thought this is hq based from UK
what did you use then gemini nano banana?
nop you can't fool me
Bro i like the environment here
give me the location
there is a office in uk too
The first company entity of HTB was based in the UK
Its warm
You created this image
dang
Dont remember?
time flies
why did it move?
-# in b4 taxes
i think it still is UK legal entity
but Athens is the "HQ" as in main office
It didn't move, the entity in Greece was created
WAIT
I love you golam
bsides london is in 2 days?
i have a great reason
they didnt like uk weather
Yes
why no one told me?
alright
wait there's multiple registered entities for HTB? ๐ฎ
i would visit it for weekend
Wait, there are multiple countries in the world @warped plank ?!
yes
UK, US, AU
etc
yes USA UK Aus and japan thats it
JP????
idk man I thought companies could only register in one country ๐ญ , I don't know shi about businesses 
oh so japan is part of aus now

hmm
If I was going I would've said for sure
witch job you want
ah thats tooo tight now for traveling and get it approved lol
A boob job ๐ซ
Damn too slow
man they gotta fix the og image
AU branch not hiring, dang
๐ฉ
End of year
just send ur cv via the talent thing
when they need someone like u, u will get a call i think
of I get a job in HTB I want to make coffee for golam๐ฅบ
good luck bro
I'mma just walk into the branch, make everyone a coffee, and leave 
no!!
stop being weird, thanks
I will make him one
am not
Golam idk the lore whats going here ?
I don't think anyone knows
i am as confused as you are
we need this
Ab7 what do u even want from golam
i will probably never meet 99% of the people i talk to online
but they sure do live in my memories
like old man golgo
Fr
and seadris xreous actuaL agent47 and many more who have fallen
I havent been here long enough for me to know ppl
well you get there eventually
i was thought is ||agent17|| sorry๐
I just recently start working in cyber security (working kn cjca)
at its very core is the community
Why is there not a bigger community around pro labs? Everyone doing boxes and talking about them but where are the prolabs? I love them so much and there isnt even a dedicated channel for pro lab discussions โฆ
Why is typing on phone so annoying
Itโs not a chat channel
prolabs are paid and are not so easy to do so that means less people 
bit of a commitment
true
cause u gotta finish before ur sub runs out
but learning comes with a price right
But theyre much more fun than single boxes.
if im dropping like $100 for the month ive gotta make sure i can put the time in
So anyone here a pro lab lover?
i luv RastaLab & Alchemy fr
i barely got 2 flags in all fortresses its not for me ig
just a simple prolab enjoyer
i do academy tho
real, I started one then gave up half-way through cos I couldn't find time to continue for so long and now even my notes are heiroglyphs to me
+1
me on wutai
out of order flags and notes
me on wanderer
When would be the appropriate time to start labs?
when you feel like it
yesterday
as soon as possible in my opinion, but generally after you get the fundamentals down
i was did it at Vulnlab, so freakin hard fr๐
No i mean skill wise
once you get the fundamentals down
learn how to use a cli on both windows & linux. learn networking, learn how a web app works, and learn a bit of how apps work in general
Im abt 70% done on cjca path, should i use labs to study for them?
Would this stage be good
should be
It is subjective
FAFO
Can't say that's the right time for you or others
But if you're 70% through that path, you might have some joy with easy/med machines
Complete the path first
start with the very easy ones though ngl.
Check your notes
I finished teir 0
but iirc pentest in a nutshell is part of that track in which case you'd have some experience on boxes already
Finished it
why dont you just like, give them a go and see?
I finished
But that was before the path and u heavily relied on walk theough so i spoiled it for myself
so just start doing labs, do some easy old ones, I'd never recommend the new ones cos ngl they're a lot harder than old easy ones
dont worry there are always more stuff to do
get VIP+, do guided mode on the labs, don't look at the writeup, and if you feel ready do without guided mode
falure is a part of learning

also keep in mind some of the older labs are literally broken so don't worry about it if it is.
The thing is i started before trying academy sk i didnt even try
๐ฏ this
no harm in getting hardstuck and looking up a solution for the point where you're stuck
helps develop methodology
its a very steep learning curve
Shoulders of giants are meant to be sat upon
the labs came before academy, so they can be done
real, I can't imagine doing this back in the day when a ton of these tools and libraries didn't exist
Just because the came before doesn't mean they are easier though
imagine if impacket hasn't been written yet ๐ฎ
they require knowledge and a certain mindset to attack
i was looking at old box solutions and especially for active directory..
I agree but in general the newer ones are quite a bit harder and require quite a bit more information than just: how to find and run a poc
Very true there
proving grounds is that way
I have not... but I do have this project I wanna tackle which is to write some AD tooling in Rust from scratch.
I'm still on the: planning to plan it phase 
the exam or the path?
The path
you got this!
I hate samsung
it's just web, manual binary request ESC8 certificate enrolment can't hurt you there
Hi I'm awake and should be asleep
Go to sleep
Do it again
wake up again
why dude
Hopefully I can outshine @eternal mango because heโs really good at web
you mean you don't just generally hate a tech company cos of that one stupid change they did to their settings UI on that very specific setting moving it to another category?
I was writing a bug report and it logged me out for the second damn time today
lost my entire report again ๐คฃ
Bug hunting without me handsome?
I'm just wondering dude:) I don't use Samsung but I also want to hear why they hate it
Is everyone just secretly dating? first golam now you? 
izza joke ๐
No no itโs just a joke
I know, iz also joke ๐
jokes all around
Jokes on jokes
90% of the things I say are jokes
Same
the 10% is when the existential dread kicks in and I actually say something deep and meaningful and sad
@scenic maple what are you not telling us

welp, sounds like fucked up
๐
existential dread 
I've never seen w1ld have existential dread
you should ask this to the man with a offline gf and that is mr wild
korean gf
W1ld has a girlfriend?
in due time yall will know
In my dreams 
how can a cool guy like you be single you have a job some money and bright future ahead
who has a korean gf 
me
@warped plank
multiple actually

@warped plank this true? 
Oh look a butterfly ๐ฆ
and its normal
this is an actual SO badge
More like the opposite of that I think
no its textbook sonder imo
no cos that's different, it's more like a lack of sonder in other people?
tfw you realize that you are just another component in someone else's grand scheme of life
whats sonder
maybe they feel that way about someone else and maybe someone else feels that way abuot you
the circle of life
I was talking about tfw one thing you really care about has no real value or meaning to another person no matter how close they are to you
the realization that everyone's life is as vivid as yours
vivid as in colorful life?
But is my life as vivid as everyone elses?
mm maybe a variation then
something like that
yeah lol i was thinking that goblin
yeah, everyone else's is too is what it means
life feel like grey these days
like: everyone else is just part of your life and are among many of the things you care about, but you realize that you are just one of the many, many things in their life
that feeling is called sonder
๐
world was always beautiful but maybe we never lived on it
TIL Sonder 4 T W
๐
@austere sinew ping ๐
Be careful with Epic games
I found an LPe on their client
and they wont take LPE ๐
Learning random things is awesome.
anotha one, first genshin now this
@sturdy thistle pong
aye nice
if i had a samsung phone i would help
yup... remembered a relative has one lol
they're coming anyway

I have other samsung devices but not sure anything else would've worked
since its phone stuff
I heard a very poetic song yesterday and it made me feel this way
it started earworming into my brain and now its not leaving
hello chat
hello mister
whats up ismail
doing well hbu

I am good, thanks ๐
bro left
Zachariah Qamar Ad-din!!!!!!
lmao at your name
thats such a cool name
you still have one left?
but isnt every other server you are in also brain rot
when did he ever have one to start with
Dang double tap reacts with an emoji
hello can y'all suggest me how I can learn? i know networking ip, mac address, tcp/udp, layers. Ive tried tryhackme but 90% of stuff was not free. Im broke so What y'all suggestion to learn for free Like not half free For compleatly free
It is a config it just poped up to me
DID VRO REACT TO HIMSELF
Well, there's some free content on Academy
and if you wanna practise, participate in seasonal boxes
@lilac cipher zupt e beke
only dutch people get it
What I know is the flies always go back to shit
@subtle plover busy crying over false positives malware
daaaaaaaaamn
Yes its a belgian dude that puked all over himself after drinking too much yellow water special with bubbles
Hahahahah
more like piss
Yummy
where did banana massage emoji go
aren't you guys talking about heineken?

Wym i defended 8 apts today
No one likes heineken, even heineken himself
Heineken = 
@urban egret drinks heineken
Cursed person
Based
I know beer stuff very well
You don't even know what beers are available in Spain
Tell me where you live and I'll send you the good ones
@lilac cipher do you feel better these days
I need something free I dont wanna go half and then the other half is paid. Then it's just confusing cuz im missing almost everything so I dont understand anything. Which happened in tryhackme i didnt understand anything there cuz they give the first one for free then 9 others are paid and then when i do the next free one it makes no sense

no need to copy pasta @subtle plover
Modelo estrella
Finally youre moving away from ur mommy
Google is your friend ๐
VB is superb
There's free content on Academy
get that up ya
Ask THM support.
Now shes free every night by
We are not THM
amen ๐คฃ
Is it a typical spanish house
Nah man why jealos i know it scuks to get houses in nl and be
Impossible to resolve "edge-eu-dante-1.hackthebox.eu:1337" there is some estimated down time?

~$ ping edge-eu-dante-1.hackthebox.eu
PING edge-eu-dante-1.hackthebox.eu (154.57.165.177) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 154-57-165-177.static.isp.htb.systems (154.57.165.177): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=15.5 ms
Fine, my entire network is exploding. Ty for the info
@west lynx how dare you warn me
arent you the guy who pays half the salary for rent
I used to when i studied
It's not working Stuff I get are vague. And most people in different threads for beginners just say learn networking and then notthing else or other basic stuff which I already know. How do I break into stuff is what im asking
Now im rich millionaire
Giv money
for now
What on earth..
its gonna change when you will have tiny demons called kids
breaking in to stuff is illegal
Try crack me

aight guys dont make me put slowmode
I know networking now What should I do next?

Get Started with the HTB Beginners Bible: https://www.hackthebox.com/blog/learn-to-hack-beginners-bible
Well what do you WANT to do next
Check that link above
@steady parrot
Start banning golam
after this giand red warning I think the NSA Is coming to kidnap me
!ban golam
I wanna run the iron man
my hands have always been red with blood
CTFs
approved
Ok, do you have any prior knowledge in the field of security?
I guess he doesnt
Shut up
You will not be saying anything if you carry on
yeh man it gets annoying cause he is trying to help pls understand
stackoverflow is still okay
at least for me ๐
The modules are generally self-contained
Tier 0 (free) -> fundamentals, basics, no presumption of knowledge so things are explained a bit more
Tier 1 -> you know some fundamentals, lets teach you some cool tricks and stuff just based off fundamentals.
Tier 2 -> you have a grasp on the basics and want to get a bit more technical
Tier 3 -> you want to dive into more advanced topics
Tier 4 -> you are now in the mainframe looking for guidance
well its not gonna be
Used to very much enjoy helping people and being helped there tbh
๐
One time, I even got a cryptohead excited with a problem
I guess not
Peak SO energy

.
Ok, then check out this link which was shared earlier
Get Started with the HTB Beginners Bible: https://www.hackthebox.com/blog/learn-to-hack-beginners-bible
CTF is extremely broad as ctfs themselves contain various categories
Going head first in to a CTF is like trying to solve a rubix cube with your face
Ctf is easy
Web, crypto, reversing, etc.
It is not
Tbh this worked for me
o7
Cybersecurity is easy
Skill issues
That's why Im asking what should I learn
Hold me back
My knowledge of whatever theory I read amplified 10x after I actually tried practical stuff
Like CTFs
ye but foundatioms first testing later
Is red teaming foundational skill?
No
Is it your intent to drive people away bingbong?
No
Well shut the fuck up then
No it's not
Wdym he is helping
might wanna read #rules again

The audacity
Ok back to work
Wurk wurk
Got a apt alert
who the fuck is pinging?
Not me
Theres a time and place for trolling
Dad
And the time is when mods are not here 
Uhm
mentions:securityanalyst
Ok bye
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O7
Fuck about and find out
I wish it was 2026
o7
What
why was he banned though
yy-dd-mm ahh format
Literally
Only an hour
Tbh though like, trolling people who are genuinely asking questions is not it
Exactly
We are not here to piss people off and disuade them from the field
If you do that, you are freakin out
I get the frustration of "I wanna do CTFs" being vague asf
Also I found the ctf challenges from the HalloweenCTF that were released retired to be decent learning tools especially since writeups were included
I always return to the htb article about using writeups whenever I feel bad for using one
Last day of htb Academy with broken foot today ๐ฅน
so you will walk tomorrow right
Got the permission to walk without that Special giant shoe around 5 days ago but the bones didnt look stable Enough to remove the metal but tmr is the day it gets removed
Then prolly 2-3 days for the cuts to heal but will feel way better without the titan xD
๐ช
life is tough
hi fellas
oh hello, i saw you did conversor, u have a sec for a nudge with it?
Hey golam can i dm u rq?
Yes, the best thing to do is to read about xslt documentation and see what is it capable of
thats what i thought, thanks. ill give it a read
Ping me when you see this please
Well, I mea...
Hopefully they fix soon
Just requires attacker to be in vm and it auto touches the host
So pretty high cve
So what, bridged nic?
Canโt say

Sounds like a gem, nice one
So rdp host TO the person connecting
hohwhat
I use Hyper-V. Also hearing good things about proxmox
Hey g0blin can i dm you?
sure
Ok thanks
Yeah you connect to MY machine and I attack yours
I didnโt think of that
I'm drooling
now it might be higher cve
Exccccellent
Anyone here use proxmox?
I do
I hear itโs a good alternative to hyper-v
my friend gonna buying annual vip+ yearly but cannot use this coupon. Can anyone explain why? Ty
Iโm in a good mood now 
Donโt share the coupon first of all

Oh nvm
Coupon
I downloaded one proxmox ISO. Want to learn more about it
i know, this is public coupon
Need to speak to a person? Learn how to reach our support via HTB Labs.
Iโll goto the gym since I canโt mornjng today
gym bro
only valid on academy iirc
r u jacked?
arent we all?
โ
โ
what
life is easy
Which plan are they trying to purchase with it?
Annual VIP+ Yearly of Lab sir
VIP is not on Academy
Yeah..
That's for Academy
i got wrong mate, sorry:)
HI i ame new in CTF i ame never doing any ctf how i can start
Get Started with the HTB Beginners Bible: https://www.hackthebox.com/blog/learn-to-hack-beginners-bible
You can't just jump in to CTFs
i got wrong, i mean VIP+ Lab Yearly
there is no discount for VIP+ atm
but i now what is it ip mac ports and more
brb meeting
time for a break my brain is fried
K THK
@eternal mango what is it the best Desktop of archlinux
i use now xfce4
yes cause 42 is the answer of the universe
if there were a best one arch would ship with that
try every and find out which ones best for you
or see a comparison video
42 is the answer, even more of an answer than DNS
But honestly I have no experience of arch, sorry
IDK everytime i change the desktop and i chearch the best for my personnel use and good for CTF
love me love me
here is my setup
say that you love me
meet me irl then we can decide
aight
what distro is that
eewweee
u dont like muscle?
no I don't like arch
what do you like
no in terms of distros
aaa is not a distro
hannah montana OS
distro
distro
oh
i mean u could say mos distros are gnu/linux that wont reveal what distro so
i am asking distro
I like Puppy linux
do you daily drive it
hello
๐
I tried arch but setting wayland is not funn
why?
kali is meant to be used in a VM, its specifically made for pentesting
its unstable and prone to break
I use it for more than year
you shouldnt use a pentesting distro as daily driver, be it Kali or another pentesting distro
did not break
Agree, I broke kali 3 times in 7 months
I can tell that Ubuntu was breaking more that kali with me 
when you solve more machines and do some professional pentesting, youll do more things on your kali which might make it break at some point
finally ๐ญ ๐ญ ๐ญ
give a example
which module is this?
hmmmm
its fortreess
hmmmmmmmmm
fortresss
cant remember one from the top of my mind
can anyone give us example guys
i dont even use it as daily driver, i use it in VM so whenever it breaks, i just restore snapshot
dude
Yo this one was easy
@tiny basin bro come dms i need a nudge
it has happened many times
Sure
but I tell you that using it from more than a year it never break with me
it also lacks normal security featues
unless I am stupid
alright, whatever floats your boat
if you want to prove something give us a example
It can break if you're not on an LTS version, or the LTS version goes out of support
as in you'll then need to switch to an alternative repo
That rarely happens, but it can
Argument over?
yea
@meager kernel try fortress its like real pentesting
btw how are you goblin
the target
Who knows
i feel boxes are like puzzles
Toss a coin and see
guys๏ผpls recommend some c2
fr? is it included in VIP+?
Cobalt strike
everyone just use a normal version from the website dude
its free

open source pls
I literally had to repair a machine and move it from a version that was no longer supported to the latest LTS last week

You haven't experienced that case
Oh you have requirements
what about telling you that if you use Linux mint then you have a backdoor if your device, is that funny?
Accept what people with more experience are telling you
Do you have other requirements
there are 7 only??
@neon zealot are fortresses meant to be solved with teams or can be done alone too?
It's actually a case that is well worth knowing about
Good counting
alone
can be done alone
its hard tho
but its so hard bro
good scalability and is friendly for secondary development.
damn ill give it a try
the best c2 is the one you write after being frustrated
What do you mean scalability
u can do with me
well it is not a problem if you separate your home directory from the root you can change the version or even break anything all your data is save

terms apply like being a good programmer
can we do after my exams? ๐ญ
That does not make sense
i genuinely cant focus on anything rn
I wasn't talking about the home directory
until exams are over
@meager kernel ok when?
pls
27 ๐ญ
You can upgrade from a lower repo to a newer one when the older repo is dead
It doesn't matter abo
Nevermind
i cant even go to gym nowadays cause i havent studied anything for exams
If you want to learn, I can keep going
But you're fighting just for the sake of it
bahot time baki hai yr

dms
so you wanted to upgrade and it break?
i dislike college
Sliver, mythic, havoc, adaptix
Find one you like
Hey yall, im sort of new to pentesting and red teaming, im always looking for friends who share a similar interest in cybersecurity and other related topics, feel free to DM, and ill respond when i can
ive had the interest ever since i was a young kid, but only recently have i really tried to dip my toes in the water
if you get stuck you can just ask
we have dedicated channels for everything
You said that upgrades on Ubuntu/Debian can't break, I said they can. This can happen when the repos for the version (very out of date) no being longer hosted, meaning the full-upgrade cannot take place. When that happens you need to swap out key and the repo urls in order to then proceed with the full-upgrade with the available repos from the target version.
I'm not trying to argue, I'm just stating a fact
thx u noted
You can accept it or not
@feral jackal you seem to have closed your mind off to other's words
(oops @meager kernel I didn't end the argument)
so there is a problem in all Debian distros?
...
lmao its alright
you proved the point i was trying to prove with better words
appreciate it
You don't understand, nevermind
I've got to work now. I explained it as best I could
nice try anyway
i should go study
Repo not there, 404.. apt can't fetch... need to update keys and repos to new repo
then can update
Is that simple enough?
Ok
Now I'm being an asshole
Sorry ๐
nah you ar are not a asshole
we still love you
yes me too

he look like the chess player
if you dont mind me asking what do you like in me
it's just you
and what do you think about me?
how old are you tho
it doesn't matter
๐
oh it very much does matter
you tell me first
i am an adult
me too
ID verification?
I mean if golam wnat's it I will give it to him
you say first
Take it to DMs
yeah true
are you in that range?
its better not to talk abt that publicly
yes i am in that range
ayy lets end it there
ohhh
and hes like 330 pounds
is he networkcheck?
ok I can't
ha
you can DM me if you want
depending on how physically fit you are
hmm ?
last one I know of was in 2016 or something
Funnily enough the worse back pain I had was in my late teens and mid 20s. Touch wood, I haven't suffered from it too much since
And I'm now 41
oh crazy
take care man
take care of your health