halo-the-series-chat

[robust marsh]

ODST's are pretty awesome

Halo 3 ODST was a fun game. Exactly how id would want to extrapolate on an existing story

[verbal fox]

My belief that any adaptation or change has to be grounded in keeping one of two things the same: The World or the Characters.
The World (or Foundations/Core) is the themes and situations involved in the show, such as storyline/plot, ongoing conflicts, the events and world in general.
The Characters are more than just appearances and names, but include the motivations, background, beliefs, thoughts, etc, the character of the characters.
Changing one of those makes for a fine story.
Perhaps someone wants to see how some original ODST squad reacts to the events of HCW. That's just a change in characters but the World is still the same.
Or someone wants to see how the Master Chief (as he is in canon) reacts to a far less evil Covenant.
If you change both things, you subvert what came before and get into the nonsensical. It has no relation to what came before.

This show has drastically changed both the World and Characters, to a point that its too far gone.

[robust marsh]

I tend to agree, but am holding on to a faint hope 😬

[verbal fox]

Changes to the World:
-Less genocidal Covenant
-More active Insurrection
-More evil UNSC (based on portrayal so far)
-Instant knowledge of Halo being a Weapon
-Not every Human is a reclaimer.............

Changes to Characters:
-Far more emotionally distraught Chief (we never see him stoic or heroic in this dumb show).
-Chief instantly preferring to go rogue (rather than vastly loyal)
-Spartan IIs were chemically/technologically brainwashed (which did not occur in lore and was in fact opposed by Dr Halsey for the very reasons we see in the show).
-Makee, the Human within the Covenant
-Jackal Reth to Human Reth
-Kwan Ha, an Insurrectionist
-Halsey proposing Cortana as a method of control
-Miranda Keyes being a scientist
-Jacob Keyes not being a Naval Officer on a ship but a ground based one working with ONI (meaning no hero status for the Keyes' Loop)

I could go on

[robust marsh]

Yup! I have a mental list, haha, but havent written it down. I glad you just did

What is frustrating to me is that some people are so starved for good content they will accept anything at this point.

[verbal fox]

Lore/Canon is very fragile, just like history itself. Any change in a story, even if done off screen and in the past, has major ramifications.
I will look at two potential changes that this show has caused, and its ramifications.

First, The Spartan Program. Given John's lack of resolve to fight the Covenant and willingness to go rogue, it makes me question what changes were made. Samuel-034 Sacrificed himself to defeat the Covenant over Chi Ceti, and John vowed to fight the Covenant to the end. But this show has John run. Which tells me Sam may not even have existed. And if Sam never existed, that means John may not have developed the same way, which means whatever character we have is not John.

[robust marsh]

Sadly, we are in a state of time in film making that everyone wants to put their spin and flare on existing stories. Almost as if to show they can change it if they want to. These changes you bring up i think will ultimitely result in further rewrites in supporting characters to support the original deviation from lore. Hence making a whole new beast that resenbles the source less and less

[verbal fox]

The second, and the most evil, is the Reclaimer status being only being a select few. Putting aside the obvious stupidity of the Chosen One status (I believe John claimed that other Spartan IIs could have done as well as him), the whole reason the Covenant started its whole genocidal war against Humanity WAS because of Humanity's Reclaimer status. If Humanity isn't all reclaimers, it calls into question the Covenant's motivation for war. Is it even a genocidal war?
If the Covenant's motivation for fighting Humanity is vastly different, and their conduct even more so, that risks that the Elites won't react the same way towards the end of the war, questioning the Prophets. Without these seeds of doubt, the chance of the Schism even occurring is even more doubtful, and without the Schism, Humanity would likely lose the War. There would be no Arbiter story and no sensical end to the war.

Of course, the writers might be stupid and just make some stuff up that is unrealistic to force the schism or something, further subverting Halo. It won't be Halo.

[verbal fox]

Arrogance, lots of arrogance...

Do not let anyone tell you otherwise, changes to the characters and story is a subversion of what we all know a love.

[signal axle]

[robust marsh]

Agreed

[verbal fox]

Now, if someone comes at you with the Marvel argument, Marvel actually either typically changes the Characters or the World, but not both, at least not majorly. Captain America is still born in the US and fights in WW2 and has the same beliefs.
And while there are sometimes What If scenarios, those aren't mainline stories like the MCU.

[robust marsh]

This is kind of the reason I am in film making haha

Anyways I have to go, but good talking to you!

[dull latch]

When will we receive new episodes?

[pine badger]

Did some black magic to see the first episode

Not as bad as I thought it would be

[runic wind]

Every Thursday I think

[distant totem]

Black magic? its on the tube for free, isnt it?

[wary bay]

Not in the US

[pine badger]

Yeah but the vid ain't available in the UK so I had to download it

[wary bay]

Okay, on paper, that sounds good, but here's the thing

Us Halo fans would love to watch an ODST show

[pine badger]

1337 show would be the best just full of over the top action

[wary bay]

But when you get to the casual audience, they're gonna be all like, "Where's Master Chief? Why's it called Halo? What's an ODST?"

You'd essentially be trying to gather a massive audience with a Halo sidestory

[distant totem]

I think an ODST show would have been the better choice

[wary bay]

Like, the Halo fanbase would love it, but what sliver of the general audience would have watched it?

[distant totem]

it gives them freedom while still sticking to the core univertse

[wary bay]

And if no one's gonna watch it, they can't profit, meaning low budget, meaning less freedom

And then the general audience is also gonna miss out on all the cool stuff in Halo because this show is restricted to this one little corner of the war

No one gets to see Spartans kicking aliens in the behind, no one gets to see the wonder of a Halo ring, no one gets to see the horror of the Flood

It essentially leaves everything Halo is about to the side so it can go into a side story

But then if you want to show all the stuff I just mentioned, you have to directly adapt the games if you wanna stay canon, and the entire Halo fanbase will be bored out of their minds because they already played this, and no one else is gonna like it because now a show has to live by video game rules, but show rules and video game rules are no compatible, so it won't work

So in essence, you either work within the confines of canon and make a side story no one is gonna watch (and if they DO watch, it's gonna give them the wrong impression of Halo), or you can re-create the core of Halo in an alternate universe to appeal to the wider audience and show Halo fans stuff they haven't seen before

I think the choice here is pretty obvious

[distant totem]

In the case of Silver (or at least what the 2 episodes have shown), the former would have been a better choice. That is just my opinion, however. I'm of the contingent that DOES NOT want the games scripted to a live-action. However, you would be remised to think that there aren't clear gaps in game and book lore that could be touched or expanded on in order to make itself known as an addition to an already rich universe rather that creating a completely separate timeline that uses all the assets but none of the history those assets held.

[wary bay]

Yes, but my point is that it wouldn't be successful

At the end of the day, it's gotta have Master Chief, and it's gotta have Halo rings, because at the end of the day, we're only a fraction of the people watching this show

Just imagine someone only ever playing ODST out of all the Halo games

Like, aight, good game, great even, but why would you want someone to only experience that small corner of this vast universe?

[distant totem]

It’s called a springboard?

You want to create a compelling story that convinces watchers to check out more content

[wary bay]

How many people do you think are gonna play the games after watching the show?

All the 60 year old men who grew up watching Star Trek and got interested in this new sci-fi show

The 40-year old moms who happen to like action movies/shows

Grandmas looking for something to watch

Fathers who don't have time to game anymore

Hell, just people who aren't into shooters

They watch this show, and it's all the Halo they'll ever get

What would you want that show to be like?

[distant totem]

Idk….just…not this.

[runic wind]

I felt it was ok

[wary bay]

Well, we'll see where it goes, I suppose

I'm enjoying it, but I'll withhold my real thoughts for the season finale

Then hope season 2 does better

[dire prawn]

I have friends saying the second episode has nudity. Is this legit?

Ima watch it either way but it would be nice to know ahead of time

[rotund hamlet]

A major character takes off their clothes

[dire prawn]

well that’s great

[keen sail]

It's almost entirely unnecessary

[steep osprey]

My ODST request was a selfish opinion. It’s literally just what I want to see. I know it’s not practical for viewership haha. But, it would be perfect for my enjoyment. That’s all

[wary bay]

Fair enough lol

A lot of people seem to be advocating that it was actually the better option tho, so I felt the need to present my argument

[little spindle]

I see the ODSTs as a nice gateway to Halo. It could have worked, but the alternative I would have chose, would be another group of Spartans. Maybe Noble Team or even a new team. By dragging master chief and cortana into this, fan expectations vary much more.

[distant totem]

I would absolutely love to see more about spartan Palmer and the other Spartan teams around the time of Halo 3 to Pre-Cortana.

There is also the dead zone of what happens between Halo 5 and Infinite that we are told little about in regards to the fall of humanity.

[steep osprey]

I’m down with a Commander Palmer show 😎

[distant totem]

While post 3 weren't the best recieved, it really began to make me want to know more about the universe due to it's introduction of characters outside Chief and Cortana that we rreally only meet in those games.

A section ripe with stories to tell

[steep osprey]

Was she referenced at all in Infinite? I know that other Spartans were but I forget

[distant totem]

im not 100% certain. I wanna say she pops up in some of the Logs but her whereabouts are unknown

I think she's on Reach?

[quick igloo]

I haven't seen any references to palmer

[distant totem]

The only possible reference if Palmer was helming the Infinity is a log that references "several high ranking leaders" that had successfully been jettisoned via pod

Locke is supposedly somewhere on Zeta as well.

Also Osiris team isnt mentioned but Blue team was sent on a seperate mission from chief

[pine badger]

Kill la kill moment

[distant totem]

Buck went back to the ODST team

[dull latch]

A what the what moment?

I will say that even tho I've only seen the first episode of the series, it seemed very well done and i liked it a lot, i can get why people might get mad at certain details, but I've liked or understood that those little details don't matter much, I'm not a big fan of chief not wearing his helmet, but it gave him a piece of his humanity, it's uncommon because we didn't see chief develop a personality (for real) until halo 4, yes Bungie didn't make him so expressive so we would fit with this mostly silent character, but i love seeing him being a human and not a machine, if chief was the chief we see in earlier games i think he might have followed the order, but i like him rebelling against the UNSC just to save her, even though Kwan is part of an insurgency it doesn't mean they all have to die, i mean they got their reasons to stand up and fight for.
Anyways I loved that it isn't 100% focused on chief and his team, but in another character that revolves around chief indirectly, it's somewhat refreshing, if I wanted to follow master chief in his adventures i would play the games or check out the novels/comics

The only thing that i greatly disliked was MJOLNIR'S UI, what on earth is that interface? Those bars remind me of the halo reach health bars, not the shield

[rotund hamlet]

I have to side with this, what's with so many low-budget sci-fi UIs being really.... really... neony?

I saw it in Doom Annihilation, I saw it in FuD, I saw it in this TV show, I see it in the average scyfy movie, what gives?

I swear, it's like the same VFX team designs them

[dull latch]

Let alone that, it doesn't even resemble any UI's we have ever seen, also when shields recharge after chief gets shot from all directions we don't see any animation, while on all games it has a recharge animation

[narrow gyro]

Because while it’s charging it goes into first person with the HUD.

[rotund hamlet]

What if the Covenant is looking for the universe's stockpile of RTX 3090 cards on the ring

[wild pike]

that truly is the "great journey"

[rotund hamlet]

All the jackal scalpers eat them up

[magic whale]

why the elites built like that tho

[empty shell]

When is ep3 coming?

[wild pike]

Thursday’s

[hollow chasm]

The series isn't that good

[outer linden]

Its really bad lol

[slow bridge]

Bad is an understatement for this mess

[robust marsh]

Guy! Youre back!

https://youtu.be/tffoUQbTSmQ

[slow bridge]

Traveling! Guess you are not supposed to be on your phone when driving

I subbed to that channel after that vid!

[robust marsh]

Haha, probably not

Ive gone down the rabbit hole on youtube

Full send

[fickle mantle]

The series is really good imo. Fun to watch. I’ve been a huge halo fanboy since CE, and I still find the show memorable. Is the series exactly like the games? No. Is it Halo, hell yes it is. I can find more to praise than to complain about.

[slow bridge]

Um...um...man...well original ce did have finished cgi, I'm trying to be positive too

[slow bridge]

His video on halo infinite fans right now was gold

[robust marsh]

lol, so true!

[glacial widget]

What an earth are you talking about

Everything apart from the opening fight looks absolutely incredible

In the first episode when chief is returning to reach looks nothing short of amazing

[rotund hamlet]

We're talking about how every POV shot that has a HUD in low-budget science fiction always has the HUD use that weird neony aestetic

[glacial widget]

Slips space and the rubble looked incredible

The prophets are also pretty good

That’s literally 30 seconds in the first scene which I will bet was a test screen because the cgi post that has all be nigh impeccable

The cgi in this show post madrigal fight has all been pretty amazing

Also this isn’t a low budget sci-fi

[tawdry kestrel]

Its lazy... that's all I can say, like I mean silver team is acting more like blue team it self don't u guys think?

Well more*

Plus not the fact that they did master cheifs face reveal, like I get its not cannon but like

[wary sand]

Cardboard plasma pistol

[tawdry kestrel]

Seen it

[glacial widget]

That’s in the madrigal fight can you read?

[wary sand]

Notice how thats specifically rhe one I replied to

[glacial widget]

I’m still wondering if you can read

It seams not

[wary sand]

I cant

But thats irrelevant

[glacial widget]

Read my original statement again

[wary sand]

Huh, nothing changed

[tawdry kestrel]

Wait what's happening XD

[glacial widget]

I said all the cgi POST madrigal has changed

[wary sand]

Good for tou

[glacial widget]

Then you mention a scene from madrigal

[wary sand]

It's a good thing that wasn't specifically what I replied to or anything

[glacial widget]

You understand why what you said is stupid

[wary sand]

That'd be silly👀

Honestly sucks that I didn't read it with the full intention of replying to the fact that you had to mention post madrigal or anything 👀

That'd just be bizarre

[tawdry kestrel]

Nah u guys are using good grammar on this stuff wow

[glacial widget]

Why if I said that the cgi on madrigal was bad but everything after was good. Would you reply taking about a scene of bad cgi FROM madrigal

[wary sand]

I don't see how that's relevant

To making a joke about brown plasma pistol

[tawdry kestrel]

Exactly tho

Wait did u just win an argument?

[wary sand]

No

[tawdry kestrel]

Sorry XD

[wary sand]

I literally just went in with the intent of making a joke about the fact that the plasma pistol is brown

[tawdry kestrel]

Yeah

[neon plover]

https://gfycat.com/enviousbravedoctorfish

[warm umbra]

Parallel universe, the two didn’t listen to Carter’s order and proceeded to fight.

[robust marsh]

*silver timeline

[kindred crest]

Why did they think that was ok … 💀

[blissful dirge]

I just came in here to say. that I saw the episodes. And yeah…this show sucks and is slap in the face of Halo fandom. #shame

[kindred crest]

The Director did say the show was never meant for halo fans

It was something about reaching a broader audience

[wary sand]

It's a halo series...

[blissful dirge]

Still It doesn’t make it not suck. Like in general it sucks and it is also insulting to halo fandom.

IMO of course

[kindred crest]

Yes it is very much is

Neil Blomkamp halo shorts are the best and the Standard. For what a halo live action would look like

[glacial widget]

No it’s not lol

[warm umbra]

Has Halo on the title

[warm umbra]

A parallel universe where Carter told both Emile and Jorge to calm down. “Lock it down, both of you!” As he says but they did not take that order very well and the two would proceed to fight. Both spartans took a couple of blows before Noble 1, 2, and 6 were to pull them back.

I know this isn’t related to the series so I won’t anymore unrelated made up things

[robust marsh]

Oh i know , i was joking

I meant that is how it would go down in the new silver timeline. LOL, sorry, bad joke

[blissful dirge]

Stop lying to yourself. It sooooo bad.

I’m in for dudes typing an essay

[glacial widget]

I’m not lying. Why would I.

No I’m watching the football

[verbal fox]

He's not lying to himself, some people can genuinely like the show. However, their mistake is trying to assume that the consensus is in support of the show being "Halo". The consensus is mostly in limbo, but there are a good number of people with concerns and their opinion of the show is impacted differently by those concerns.

[urban bridge]

Anybody else just happy that we got a tv series 😅

[untold swan]

I'm happy we got a series

Just not what they have done with most the important characters

[boreal peak]

I wonder what made this one sort of stand out, compared to all the other cancelled or indefinitely delayed halo film projects that we heard about.

[untold swan]

Money

Mostly money

[dire sapphire]

Imagine if we got a show length Landfall

[boreal peak]

For sure yeah. But why this one actually got the funding compared to the others I mean

[untold swan]

Monny*

Wait no I'm high I spelled that tight

Right

[dire sapphire]

They used Infinite to push it

[untold swan]

Not just the game but toys and figures as well

[boreal peak]

Yeah I know that, it is just sort of perplexing to me why it didn’t work out after 3 I’m guessing is all. Since that was iirc the ‘biggest’ sort of release

With the celebration in NYC and everything

Is mostly just me thinking about how many missed opportunities there seems to have been I guess over the years lol.

[wraith socket]

They really didn't though, that just seems to be pure coincidence. 343, Microsoft and Paramount are so inept that they didn't even do a cross-promotional event in Infinite, which would've made total sense given it's supposed to be a "live service" and all

[runic wind]

I’m thinking that they’ll include it in season 3’s fractures event

[wraith socket]

If they do, that'll be hilarious 'cause it'll be well after the show's first season is done, and people won't give a damn lol

[runic wind]

What if the show just went on until infinites’s story lol

[wraith socket]

I'd be impressed. It's already crazy that they ordered a second season, if it gets a third...

[runic wind]

Yeah, I wonder where they’ll go from the end of season 1

[dire sapphire]

I mean they ordered season 2 before 1 even realised so it wasnt response based

[upbeat island]

I think season 1 leads upto reach falling and pillar of autumn jumping away.

Sportsman’s bet.

[neon plover]

Ah yes, and we'll hear that beautiful tune

https://youtu.be/gB2NNSE8ZDY?t=83

[upbeat island]

I think the show is going on the right track.

[runic wind]

I mean, you can’t quite judge if you haven’t seen the context

[hazy spruce]

Space Ships looking good in the new halo tv series https://youtu.be/uAEgirPKBzM 2
What do you think ?

[glacial widget]

I don’t exactly appreciate being talked about in the third person. I have found the show very enjoyable. Of course there are issues but I went in with low expectations and I was thoroughly surprised by the quality post madrigal

The creative team have clearly spent a considerable amount of time researching the world and the amount of things I’ve seen that are literally plucked strait our the lore/games have hit the nostalgia part of my brain very hard

[tawdry kestrel]

it is really sad when people have to ruin such a legendary franchise

[vale cradle]

Did they release the sneak peak yet

[upbeat island]

There is a churro recipe in the cookbook.

The thing is…Unlike game of thrones or lotr food has never really factored into halo.

Aside from a calimari reference in fall of reach or the churros in ep 2.

Maybe a “power bar” or two.

[wraith socket]

If the cookbook doesn't have a drink that requires Mountain Dew Code Red, I'm going to be pretty disappointed

I mean it's already completely shameless, cringe and sad, but I'll be more disappointed than I already am

[upbeat island]

Lol. I just want a churro.

[hasty sedge]

@wraith socket heresy blinds you, original orange game fuel would be the main component

[cosmic willow]

bruh

[solar root]

Just watched the first episode. The show is fine. People just like to complain about everything.

[verbal fox]

False

[tribal fjord]

Gay

[solar root]

Funny how that word dosent get censored lol.

[little spindle]

Fr fr

[idle pawn]

True

[tribal fjord]

Ironic since everything else I might say probably would.

[solar root]

No it isnt false. The show could be perfect and people would complain

[tribal fjord]

But I won't push that lol

[little spindle]

The show is fine but I think y'all should realize not everyone complaining is doing so just to do so

[solar root]

I was using a different word for complain and I got censored lol

[little spindle]

Hehe

[solar root]

People are crying because he took his helmet off. When there’s a whole movie that shows what he looks like when he’s young. Just imagine that face but a little older

[tribal fjord]

What word was it

[tribal fjord]

Visually. Sure

[solar root]

Lol

[tribal fjord]

A think pre master chief kid is different though

But yeah, you can just age the face

[little spindle]

He took it off to early imo and had it off to often it seems

[solar root]

I do think he should’ve put the helmet right back on though. But the actor has to get recognition. They did the same with Mandalorian

[solar root]

To be honest do you wanna wear a helmet all the time lol.

[tribal fjord]

when acting is more about your face than your performance

[tribal fjord]

I would.

[little spindle]

In a combat zone? Yea

[tribal fjord]

It's a badass helmet

[solar root]

I don’t know man when I wear my motorcycle helmet I can’t wait to get it off

[little spindle]

Besides it's a character trait of chief

[tribal fjord]

Plus, why would I take it off it it's part of my armor.

Why should I make myself vulnerable to some person I don't know or shouldn't even trust

[solar root]

Well he took it off just to get her trust but he should’ve put it right back on

[little spindle]

Agree

[solar root]

Like he could’ve gotten to a gun fight and had no helmet on

[tribal fjord]

Just because he wants her to trust him, doesn't mean he should trust her

[solar root]

True

He did mention that the gun would do nothing to his armor which is kind of weird because we kill other Spartans in PVP with it

[tribal fjord]

I think the show looks fine visually but I don't like the story

[solar root]

I haven’t gotten that far into the full story so i cant make that judgement yet

[verbal fox]

There would be few, but it is false to generalize all the arguments against the show as people just liking to complain

[hasty sedge]

At this point I think the only thing that holds my interest is the Makee girl, seeing how her views change on meeting more humans

Though with how rushed stuff had been in just 2 episodes, they won't linger on that

[verbal fox]

Besides from Lord Hood and the Marines and Navy doing something cool, I am only interested in Governor Vishner. Real down to Earth, do it yourself type of guy.

Which means they'll kill him before the Season ends sadly

[upbeat island]

If you like the actor check out pacific rim. He plays comic relief next to Charlie day.

[deft fossil]

Is it just me, but does literally everything feel fake and cgi. Like I started watching ep2 and legit it feels like everyone's clothes are cgi, the background and sounds are obviously fake. Even the actors faces seem highly edited.

[median mortar]

I noticed that too, only watched ep 1 though

Felt off for sure, but to be expected imo

[upbeat island]

I think you are seeing things. Its called post production.

There’s little flaws here and there but the background actors and bit players are awesome. Bookeem woodbine is a straight up scene stealer.

Anyone gonna be up at 3 for the new ep?

[kindred crest]

It was his own words, basically they just look at concept art maybe a couple trailers and paste it together and slapped the halo name on it

[neon plover]

Is the next episode coming in 15 minutes?

[barren panther]

really didn't expect the || 🪱 || this episode tbh

[barren panther]

idk if it's supposed to but episodes drop earlier on apple tv

nice zoup

[neon plover]

Well, I'll wait with an episode of Suits and a nice bowl of soup

[vapid wing]

Episode 3 incoming. This will be the deciding factor on if I give up on this show or not

[barren panther]

just about to finish, p good imo

ep3 is*

[old mirage]

It's enjoyable it's not terrible in my opinion

[neon plover]

What would be misinterpreted? The soup?

[knotty tendon]

I just watched episode one. Started slow, formulaic, and clichéd (and yes, I caught the continuity error with the pistol too), but picked up near the middle. Congratulations to the showrunners for making me hate all but like three characters.

[burnt obsidian]

is new ep live?

[knotty tendon]

Not yet.

[burnt obsidian]

sad boi moment

but it is going live today right?

[knotty tendon]

Let me check.

[barren panther]

it's been up for a few hrs now

official release is midnight for PST, 3am for EST

[spice summit]

Weird that next-episode(.)net says its still 17 hours 'till ep3

[barren panther]

I mean I already finished the episode since apple tv drops it a few hours early

but it's also up on paramount+ by now I think

[burnt obsidian]

apple tv?

this show is on apple tv?

[spice summit]

Apparently?

[burnt obsidian]

it doesn't show up for me

brb lemme check again

[barren panther]

if u sub to paramount+ on apple tv u can watch it there

[burnt obsidian]

is it in drama category?

[spice summit]

Ohhh, if you sub to paramount.. I see

[barren panther]

can’t add pics here :/

[burnt obsidian]

oh I get it
u got the apple tv box thing right?
I have apple tv sub

https://tv.apple.com
I have this

[barren panther]

i can dm u pics if ur ok with that but it should be just the paramount+ subscription as an apple tv channel for 9.99 a month

[burnt obsidian]

ok sure

[barren panther]

I subscribed to paramount+ on apple tv since their own app's UI and video streaming quality really sucks lol

[knotty tendon]

Ew. They don’t allow strawpolls in this server?

[burnt obsidian]

probably not

[tough slate]

What time does it air

[knotty tendon]

Should be out in all American timezones now.

[knotty tendon]

And no image permissions regardless of experience?

Wack

[wintry pelican]

No polls

[knotty tendon]

1984

Why, if I might ask?

[neon plover]

There are, but you haven't really been here long enough or typed enough for that to happen

[knotty tendon]

1

9

8

4

[tawdry kestrel]

Hey I’ve watched Ep 3

This show is interesting

[carmine marsh]

I did too

[verbal fox]

Yep, I've seen him there, and TURN Washington's Spies, among others

[civic tree]

Yooo

Just got paramount

And halo is pog

[verbal fox]

The Not Halo Series continues to not be Halo.
Review in #933834868637454446 later

[burnt obsidian]

ok cool man
let's make a Halo 3 TV series so that yall can watch it

[late socket]

Saying something is not halo is a bit silly, Not only is it vague, The show bases it’s story alot off of halo

[verbal fox]

Having watched 3 Episodes so far and been increasingly disappointed, I can point to all the divergence from Halo, to the point it is unfaithful and a travesty. It insults the fandom, tossing aside key elements for no good reason. To call this Halo is an attack on what Halo truly is and its legacy

[burnt obsidian]

yea they should really make a Halo 3 TV series

[late socket]

How?

[verbal fox]

It will be in the spoiler chat

[wraith socket]

Just started the third episode...why the actual hell is it that 2/3 of the first 3 episodes of the Halo show start with children I couldn't care less about?

[verbal fox]

Its the Not Halo show, that's why

[wraith socket]

I think I figured out why the show looks and feels like a CW show, aside from the melodramatic acting. All of the shots are as amateur and without personality as you'd see in their shows. They know how to apply rule of thirds, but that's really about it. There's nothing actually interesting in the way it's shot, no personality behind it, just purely by the numbers so as not to get a failing grade.

Also at least like half the shots are medium shots or close-ups, like you'd see in a CW drama or soap opera lol

[neon magnet]

I'll probably get roasted for this, but I have been enjoying the TV series quite a bit. Sure, it is definitely different from the games, but the story is good enough to keep me engaged and there is enough entertainment value. Would be cool to see something more true to the game series eventually, but I'm not complaining too much at the moment 😃

[tawdry kestrel]

the halo series was a total waste of my time. Chief doesnt escape duty so fast, the directors hadnt bothered t paly the halo game.

[urban sparrow]

the director started with the games

[acoustic notch]

The show is under whelming and lacking substance

Not much happens in each episode

[wraith socket]

For a sci-fi show with hour long episodes, it's shocking how boring it is 'cause of next to nothing actually happening

It's basically "Exposition: The Halo Experience"

[acoustic notch]

It makes me think of star trek discovery how they practically took the contents for a single episode and stretched it out into a whole season

And I saw someone say the beginning of the first ep felt like an indie company Made it and it really does. Or a college group as I've mentioned before

[wraith socket]

It all feels like a CW show to me. The way it's acted, the way it's shot, the way it's written. None of it has any personality. There was no reason for this to be a Halo show, and I can't wrap my head around this being the show that got greenlit out of the hundreds of scripts that were given in over the years

[acoustic notch]

Funny they spend 10 million but don't have any quality standards and no one to make sure they get their money's worth. So they spent a high price for a poor product

Kind of like their crap merch high price garbage quality

Since they had no one truly qualified overseeing the production

[wraith socket]

It's Paramount+, I don't think they have anyone qualified overseeing anything haha. Have you seen Discovery and Picard? 😂

[acoustic notch]

TRUE

explains why it's similar to discoverys milk and stretch

[wraith socket]

Quality of the writing and respect for the source material are about the same, too

[vocal panther]

I’m all in after E-3

[acoustic notch]

Haven't seen 3 yet

[vocal panther]

Full send

[acoustic notch]

The first 2 to go the path they went with those episodes they need like 2 hour episodes

[wraith socket]

I just finished it. It's just more of the same, another hour I wish I had back. But I'm going to hate watch it at least until the first season's over

[vocal panther]

😂 it’s good

[wraith socket]

Why do you think that it's good? I'm genuinely curious

[acoustic notch]

I think you have low standards

[vocal panther]

Everyone is a hater normie

[acoustic notch]

Like the people who said halo infinite was always perfect and amazing and let me spend thousands from the getco

[wraith socket]

Well, I think that sentence about sums up the kind of crowd that would enjoy this show roflmao

[acoustic notch]

Yeah lmao

[vocal panther]

Hahhaahahaa fun

[acoustic notch]

Halo the series is just stretched out filler

Mostly

[wraith socket]

It's the worst kind of storytelling there is: non-stop exposition. Instead of showing you things, they're just telling you things and expecting you to roll with it

[vocal panther]

Blah blah blah lol say it the books are better derrrr

[wraith socket]

Of course they are, but that's putting the bar too high for these people lol. There's literally fan fiction out there better than what we're getting in the show. The show is like really, really low quality fan fiction

[vocal panther]

Oh I’m not gonna scar my eyes with some water down story that I’m so knowledgeable of

You’re taking all the joy out of peoples lives that’s all you’re doing

I liked death note 2

Go cry about it

[wraith socket]

It has nothing to do with being knowledgeable of the lore lol. It's objectively bad in a lot of ways, and just doesn't look, feel, or even sound like Halo

[vocal panther]

disagree

[wraith socket]

Like, 2/3 episodes so far start with 5-10 minute shots of kids that aren't the Chief. How the hell did that make it into a Halo show?

It's just so nonsensical and dumb. It's a CW drama in a Halo skin

[vocal panther]

I still like it

Good story

Intense

[wraith socket]

Good for you, man. I wish I could turn my brain off like that, but I can't. And knowing that out of all the hundreds of scripts sent in over the years, all the directors that were attached (Peter Jackson, Neil Blomkamp, even Stephen Spielberg) who left, and seeing that this is what we got...well, that bums me the eff out.

[tawdry kestrel]

Whenever I see someone creating an argument for why the show is bad, I also see like two people saying "Well yeah I enjoy it" and taking offense to said cristism lol
A really curious phenomenon

[vocal panther]

A good story I look to relate and compare it’s great

To the story I already know and so far it’s hitting the notes like I said go cry about it

[wraith socket]

You can barely form coherent sentences, so I'm not surprised that you're satisfied lol

[timid ether]

i sadly see more people offended by someone who likes it. why can people just accept that someone has a different taste then themself. the argument "well i cant turn my brain off" implying the other side is dum. is just sad to see. accept people are different. people like things for different reasons
(on both sides)

[vocal panther]

I’m dyslexic

[wraith socket]

I've got dyslexic friends. Dyslexia doesn't make people stupid

[timid ether]

^case and point. calling someone stupid because he has a different opinion

[tawdry kestrel]

I honestly didn't see anyone get offended by people liking it lol
But then again, I hang out in circles that wouldn't care/like it to begin with.

[wraith socket]

Oh no, he's welcome to have whatever opinion he wants. I'm calling him stupid 'cause he can barely form coherent sentences, and when I asked him why he likes the show, he said "Everyone is a hater normie" roflmao

[acoustic notch]

Quality is relative comparable and you can take the budget the quality the care and everything that went into making the show. In turn you might view people as unintelligent for liking something despite its poor quality. It's like if Apple came out with an iPhone 2 this year even though we have a more advanced iPhone 13

And being for it and having nothing against it

Thing is people like them liking stuff with low standards is like people buying the iPhone 2 relabelled as iPhone 14 and act like it's an amazing upgrade

and everyone should get it

And it cost like 800+ still despite having the same specs of an iPhone 2

[slow bridge]

This channel is so fun!

[acoustic notch]

@timid ether

[timid ether]

?

[acoustic notch]

Read my msg it was for you

Not to mention they spent 10mill and made an inferior product compared to discovery despite having a higher budget. But discovery was one of the worst star trek shows I've seem tbh

[timid ether]

sorry i dont get the iphone reference. its just enjoying something that others not enjoy does not justify thinking of someone as unintelligent. might can say with the iphone reference. some people like it simple. they might not need 500 apps for everything and just want to have something that can recieve calls and are happy with it.

[wraith socket]

"That's the power of math, people!" - Star Trek Discovery

[timid ether]

nah thats picard. (for me)

[grim bone]

Lol true, I did think of superwoman when seeing some of the cgi stuff in this

[tawdry kestrel]

Didn't Discovery make an entire arc about san issue that has - previously - been established as no big deal or a problem within the Federation?

[cloud grail]

Can they hurry up and find the damn ring so we can see some actual combat is a story that’s, ya know, supposed to take place during a war 😂

[wraith socket]

Happens all the time in that show lol. They threw lore and science out the window with that show from the get go

[tawdry kestrel]

My buddy that is a ST fun said that Halo show somehow ignores the universe more then Discovery, wonder how much that is true lol

[timid ether]

isnt discovery its own canon and not in the main timeline aswell? picard is supposed to be main canon. but dosnt feel that way

[acoustic notch]

Oh please no more indy garbage low budget fight scenes

[wraith socket]

It's not it's own canon, but I think it's part of the Kelvin timeline things? I'm not even 100% sure on that tbh

[timid ether]

nah kelvin is his own. mainline his own and disco aswell on itself

[slow bridge]

Discovery was supposed to be pre original startrek and then they just went off of the rails

[wraith socket]

In my mind, Picard is definitely in it's own timeline because it just craps on everything that made Picard and TNG great, but that's another conversation haha

[timid ether]

yeah bud picard is supposed to be mainline XD and its sad to see they go with holo mumbo jumbo instead of nice LCARS

[wraith socket]

Star Trek can't be optimistic or thoughtful anymore; everything has to be bleak and depressing, and everybody needs to act on their emotions rather than reason

[cloud grail]

I personally enjoyed it

[wraith socket]

I'm going to give Strange New Worlds a shot 'cause the guy who played Captain Pyke in S2 of Discovery actually felt like a Star Trek captain, but I don't have much hope. The Orville is the closest thing to Star Trek we've actually got right now, even though there are 5 different Star Trek shows in production now lol

[slow bridge]

Actor who played pike should have been cast as Keyes

[wraith socket]

He would've been absolutely perfect as Keyes tbh

[timid ether]

oh yeah strange new worlds looks interesting. and hopefully will be more star trek.
Sad that The Orville is more Star Trek then the Star Trek series we got the last years

[fallen kayak]

Cortana looks good

Ngl

[wraith socket]

Cortana looks weird as hell lol. Uncanny valley af. No idea why they tried to go more realistic with her design

[glacial widget]

I’m sorry you had to watch that awful show

[timid ether]

cortanas design in itself i dont mind. she looks good. but the cgi of her is just hitting right on that uncanny valley. they should have made her look more digital to circumvent that

[glacial widget]

Now ST:D that’s a bad show I mean lord. So awful. The halo series is significantly better than that

[fallen kayak]

I mean it's live action of course she's gonna look realistic

[glacial widget]

I agree

[wraith socket]

I'd hard disagree there, man. It's just a CW drama in a Halo skin. I'm still trying to wrap my head around 2/3 episodes now starting with 5-10 minute shots of kids that we're supposed to care about

[tawdry kestrel]

Menendez flashbacks when

[glacial widget]

They literally created a human just to murder her and use her brain as a tool. You don’t know what your talking about pipe down

[timid ether]

the kid in ep3 was just makee. nothing more about it. you are not supposed to care about the kids tho

[glacial widget]

The kid was makee

[wraith socket]

Yes, and? It was boring, I didn't care one bit lol.

[timid ether]

cant we keep that to #933834868637454446 tho

[glacial widget]

This is what we call wilful ignorance. Im guessing you Don’t like a show unless it’s just mindless dull action the entire time

[wraith socket]

Why would you assume that? I like shows with good writing, and drama of course has it's place. But this is a Halo show we're talking about. None of the fans are watching it for CW-level melodrama (especially in how it's shot and acted), so I really don't understand who it's meant to appeal to. It's effectively been non-stop exposition so far with no real leading plot thread for anything to grab onto, except "What's that glowy rock thing do?". If that's the most bloody interesting thing about a HALO show, they dun goofed

[glacial widget]

My man what are you taking about

You are so in your own head it’s not even funny

I have watched a lot of CW drama when I was younger and this is nothing like that?

[wraith socket]

It's exactly like that lol. The way every single shot in the show is framed is a CW show, a soap opera. They almost only use medium shots and medium close-ups, the framing is so boring. You look at any show from Showtime, HBO, Hulu, Apple, Netflix, at least they have some personality. This show is shot and acted like a cable drama

[glacial widget]

Whilst the framing in this show isn’t anything special. It doesn’t need to be. There are plenty of fantastic shows that just use normal medium shots because non-standard framing is usually there to try and convey a certain emoticon in the viewer. This isn’t that kind of story

[wraith socket]

I mean, it sure seems like it's trying to be that kind of story haha. And the only half-decent shows I can think of that use such standard framing are again, cable TV shows like that of the CW. I rewatched the ads for Halo 3 and ODST last week, and every single one of them was acted better, shot better, and generally more interesting than anything we've gotten in the show so far.

[glacial widget]

You need to watch more shows then bud

[wraith socket]

I really don't haha, if anything I should probably watch less

[glacial widget]

Probably watching to much discovery and CW shows to be fair

[verbal fox]

Nah, Xellot has a point. The show is barely surface level, watching Halo cutscenes would impart a better story

[glacial widget]

Ok and I don’t Agree

[wraith socket]

I gave up on both of those years ago, but I remember them well enough. I try not to spend my time watching trash, but after waiting close to two decades for this, I'm at least going to hate watch to the end of the first season

[glacial widget]

But you clearly do because you seem to be the expert

[verbal fox]

You and me both, hate watching to the end

[tawdry kestrel]

Move to Europe, you not only won't have to watch but won't have the means to watch it.

[verbal fox]

Then gauging eyes out when its over

[tawdry kestrel]

It is a peaceful life.

[grim bone]

Like I said before I would rather have my eyes taped open and be forced to watch nightfall for the rest of my life than keep watching this show lol

[fallen kayak]

It’s not that bad

[cloud grail]

I like the show. It’s intriguing but still has a ton of room for improvement. 6/10.

What I will complain about though is how bad the actual canon story is from 4-Infinite

[tawdry kestrel]

I feel like I do gain a lot by just watching Red vs Blue and Legends instead of LA stuff.

[glacial widget]

Then don’t. And stop complaining like a petulant child

[grim bone]

Infinite and this show both have bad story. Seems like all the new halo content has been meh

[grim bone]

You’re complaining about me complaining. Ironic

[glacial widget]

Bud. Don’t even try and take the high ground here

[grim bone]

???

[fallen kayak]

The only episode I had an issue with was with 1

The rest is improving

[grim bone]

Meh human in the covenant is heresy I can’t get into it

That’s on top of everything else wrong they’re doing

[cloud grail]

4, 5, and Infinite ruined a the canon IMO. Just absolutely decimated the series. The show is its own thing, so I watch with an open mind and enjoy it.

[wraith socket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S5I0_hjS3c This 2 and a half minute advertisement for ODST has more character and more emotion than the entire show so far. And it makes clear in 2 and a half minutes how much of a threat the covenant are

[grim bone]

4 was okayish. 5 is where things really screwed up by bringing cortana back. They actually built the Didact up pretty well the only problem is they threw him out.

[glacial widget]

I don’t completely agree I think the story board is good I just don’t think how they got from point a-b is amazing

[grim bone]

Of course if you know zero about halo lore you’d be extremely confused for halo 4

So that’s in part why it’s bad

[glacial widget]

Like I like the story of the forerunners coming back

But it just wasn’t done well by 4

[verbal fox]

If Halo 5 came out today, it would be an improvement over the show

[glacial widget]

And the idea of cortana taking over is also a great idea it just wasn’t done well by the game

[grim bone]

True. I would rather do Halo 5 than the show lol

[verbal fox]

That's because she wasn't imbedded in the Chief in lore. Just the armor

[grim bone]

Meh not really. Her death in halo 4 was perfect and they should’ve kept it like that and started a new story thread

Bringing her back was so dumb and pointless

[verbal fox]

Oh THAT take over

[glacial widget]

I know

I have played the games many times

[verbal fox]

Sorry, I thought you were talking about what the show was talking about

[deft sinew]

uh hey cortana has the wrong texture color loaded on my paramount, can we get a patch soon

[tawdry kestrel]

Yeah we'll get it in season 4

[slow bridge]

Won't be a season 4

[tawdry kestrel]

What do you mean? We outta get at least

5 seasons of battlepasses

[slow bridge]

Shows already failing

[tawdry kestrel]

I was joking about le Infinite honestly.

[floral depot]

Just saw Episode 3, best of the bunch so far

[slow bridge]

I know

They should have cast Alan Richerson from Reacher to be the cheif

He understands the not to much talky aspect of a character

[cosmic willow]

Yah hes pretty tall to

but I think chief is more stoic than less talkative

[slow bridge]

Still less talking is a good thing for the cheif he usually does his talking with a gun

[steep osprey]

Ever seen Blue Mountain State? I can never unsee that guy as Thad Castle 🤦🏻‍♂️

[vapid wing]

I’m surprised they got Jen Taylor on board

[timid ether]

but that was communicated from the beginning that shes back in

[vapid wing]

I’m watching this completely blind

[timid ether]

got ya

[vapid wing]

I’ve never seen so much as a trailer

I have also learned today that Hunters are made of worms

[timid ether]

didnt know that? its a single colony that splits into two (while still beeing connected to each other) when getting to big. and you can easily see that in the ingame models.

[wraith socket]

Yeah, that was evident even in CE, but much moreso in the MCC models

[vapid wing]

I just thought they were big fleshy dudes with horrible taste in armor

[timid ether]

they even drop worms on the ground when you kill them ingame XD in all games

[vapid wing]

Never noticed

[timid ether]

happens ^^

[vapid wing]

Granted it’s been about 4 years since I’ve played a halo game

[vestal tree]

Cortana actually doesn’t look that bad surprisingly

Show is still kind of mid

[glossy pike]

Was the new ep any good or is it just as bad as the rest of the show

[slow bridge]

The assumption is yes

[upbeat island]

Very good episode if you aren’t squeamish.

Or afraid of needles.

[vapid wing]

I’d almost happily forgotten that scene

[little anvil]

The brutality continues

[upbeat island]

It’s what the people want I guess.

[vestal tree]

Cheeks.

That’s all I’ll say.

[upbeat island]

But if they don’t show it the whiny toxic discord fanboys who grew up on fortnight would have their feathers in a ruffle. 👀

[knotty tendon]

I don’t know — I thought its treatment of her in Infinite was great.

Especially the reveal near the end regarding The Weapon.

[grim bone]

Sure it was fine but all of that only happened because they idiotically brought her back in Halo 5 and had to try to fix it

[knotty tendon]

(Also, while The Chief’s attempt ||to delete her|| was perfectly understandable from his perspective, I was fangirling so hard for her shade immediately afterward)

#TeamWeapon

Anyway, at least for episode one, Pablo Schreiber’s Chief is a lot more likable than Downes’s, although I’m sure both are by design. I thought Chief took off his helmet for too long in the episode, though.

[verbal fox]

HERESY!

Our John is far superior to Pablo Chief

[little spindle]

Downes chief>

To each their own, but nothing will beat Steve's chief for me.

Agree

In the games, should we Chiefs full face, I hope it's modeled after Steve

[tawdry kestrel]

Honestly I could totally see Steve as some older version of Chief

[little anvil]

Chief as he is now after 30 years of ware

[little spindle]

Indeed

It could work well

[alpine nexus]

I wish they would stop portraying Spartans as emotionless robots. In every Halo game except maybe CE we see plenty of character displayed by each present Spartan

[tawdry kestrel]

That would require people to, you know, watch stuff

And obviously - we don't do that in Hollywood

[rotund hamlet]

I didn't know that Noble Team had character, but wait everyone hated Fireteam Majestic for having character

[frigid gale]

Really cool that we got to see chiefs cheeks, very cool paramount 👍

Fr, this episode was way better than last episode, I would rate it a 7/10, might be better than the first one

[lofty dock]

Each are good! But downes is much better

[sand flame]

I’m actually glad Pablo Chef takes his helmet off as much as he does. Helps not confuse him with the Master Chief.

[shy lava]

That was a great episode!

[wraith socket]

I'm seriously curious, anyone who's enjoying the show so far, what was your bar for "good" TV before this?

[robust marsh]

The more I watch, the less I like it. The feel is right, but the story is so so wrong. IMO

[heady halo]

I just watched episode 3 and

It’s better than the last ones tbh

I kinda like Cortana design

[tawdry kestrel]

hello, I launch halo, the game starts, loads up to half and crashes without loading up to the initial screen saver in the menu where you press enter

who can help with this problem

[neon plover]

#471749501171007498

[slow bridge]

I don't think she looks bad, it's more of the issue of how the portrayal is for me. Spent 20 years watching ai Cortona not a life size version ill keep this one short and the whole scene was rough where she was introduced. Now granted I've only scene clips from Visioncy

Halo infinite still has alot of crash issues

[wraith helm]

Looks a bit like the weapon

[rocky yew]

How many episodes are there in season 1

[frigid gale]

LMAO you haven’t even watched the show lol

Watching clips doesn’t do jack so don’t form opinions based on people stealing part of the show

[clear steppe]

Before I answer that, what was yours?

[tawdry kestrel]

does anyone know if episode 2 is gonna be on youtube aswell? or has nothing been said about it yet

I like how cortana is presented tho

I mean the conflict between John and cortana is interesting

[tawdry kestrel]

I believe 6

[tawdry kestrel]

Pretty good

[sand flame]

It’s petty tbh, I thought halo infinite did it better between Chief and the Weapon.

[sand flame]

They’ll only release the premiere episode to draw people in.

[tawdry kestrel]

right guess im gonna have to wait 5 more years for paramount+ to release in the uk then

[wanton plover]

I feel like they played the "humanize Master Chief" card way too early into the series. Pablo's character feels off and not like Master Chief.

[worldly mica]

Anyone happen to have a high quality image of the silver team Logo?

[robust marsh]

Yeah, i agree. You gotta earn that payoff

[verbal kindle]

Yo did they fix up Cortana a bit?

[velvet stag]

what if the tv series was good https://twitter.com/AnimatedTorrii/status/1512162862982070273

[barren marsh]

#halo-the-series-chat im at a loss of words with the inhibtor chip scene

first they remove the helmet then the armor and now his clothes

[dusky geyser]

bruh the first episode of the show uploaded on youtube got removed of how bad the reception it got

[turbid adder]

I just like how the elites go wort wort wort in the first episode.

[slow bridge]

Watched the first one and it was too painful 😢

[robust marsh]

So true

Just finished the third episode and the list of deviations from the story we know keeps growing longer. You can only do so much of that before it simply is not the same material, but in name only.

[vapid plank]

They did the hunters so wrongggg and cortana was always a chip so erking

Glad the hunters are in it tho fr fr

[robust marsh]

The whole episode was removed?

[rotund hamlet]

Yeah.
Everyone was complaining about it

[rotund hamlet]

He's gonna be skeletor by episode 9

Skeletor Man-117

[turbid adder]

To be honest, it started going wrong when master cheif took off his helmet.

[tawdry kestrel]

to be honest, it started going wrong with kwan

like im korean and yeah it's neat that there's a focus on a korean character

[verbal fox]

It started going wrong when they dumped Canon

[tawdry kestrel]

but holyyy shitttt

at least flesh out the relationship between her and chief before she's the reason chief goes awol

[fallen blade]

Am I an idiot or is the same actress who voiced Cortana playing her in the show

[verbal fox]

yes, Jen Taylor

[fallen blade]

awesome

[dusky geyser]

on youtube, it had 32k dislikes and it had 10k likes

[slow bridge]

It was alot more than 32k but they removed them

[vale cradle]

I love the blessed one

[fallen blade]

I have a theory, What if the first season of the show is building up to an event that really bonds Chief/Cortana and explains why the spartans are truly emotionless

like the fall of reach affects him in a really bad way

and then Halsey improves the Emotional Inhibitor thing

[slow bridge]

See that sounds good but also sounds so wrong

[vale cradle]

When the blessed one finds planet reach they are done for

🥰

[slow bridge]

The blessed one is one of the biggest errors of this show

[vale cradle]

Whatever

[slow bridge]

But it's true

[fallen blade]

we'll see

[vale cradle]

I’m sorry i love her

[fallen blade]

remember this is a different timeline so you can't treat it like the game

[vale cradle]

Thank u

[slow bridge]

That's cool

That's not a good excuse

[vale cradle]

The best actor to play the blessed one

[verbal fox]

But Chief is also a Blessed One

[vale cradle]

It’s not an excuse it’s a fact

[slow bridge]

When does cheif get his telepathic powers?

[fallen blade]

lmao he won't get any

[verbal fox]

When the plot demands it

[slow bridge]

Sounds about right

[vale cradle]

I want to see the blessed one fight she’s been trained by the best of the covernant

[slow bridge]

That whole comment is what's wrong with this show

[vale cradle]

Stay mad

[verbal fox]

Now you are conjecturing. Her only fighting move was to stab an unarmed combatant in the hand

[vale cradle]

I’m enjoying the show

[slow bridge]

I do get its trolling too

[vale cradle]

Tell me where your home world is

[verbal fox]

You first

[slow bridge]

They should have cast Bre Larson to play the blessed one

[vale cradle]

No

The blessed one with short bald look was the best look

Specially with her closes

[verbal fox]

So I have a very special gift for the Blessed One Makee. It even comes with a voice message!

[vale cradle]

She walked that ship like she’s owned it

[slow bridge]

Seriously though I want to know when cheif gets the infinity gauntlet

[verbal fox]

Watch this get deleted despite being a Halo quote

[slow bridge]

It did!

[vale cradle]

Lol

[slow bridge]

What was it!?

[silk ore]

I can’t believe that whatever the halo quote was it got him muted….this censorship is absurd

[silk ore]

Get real

[slow bridge]

Muted?

[vale cradle]

🥰

[neat bridge]

I’ll be honest, the Elites armor in this series looks like ancient Sangheli armor

[vale cradle]

[wild pike]

Bruh I can’t with this tv show

[vale cradle]

U got something to say

[wild pike]

I just don’t agree with it at all

[sand gale]

Man episode three was ok I mainly like episode Two so far

[vale cradle]

ok and

[proper tinsel]

It feels weird watching this show after absorbing all the canon books, comics, games, and other supporting content. I rationally know that this show isn’t canon but emotionally it feels wrong.

[vale cradle]

What

[wild pike]

exactly how i feel

[vale cradle]

It’s new canon

[proper tinsel]

I like it but I think I’d enjoy it more without having all the canon lore in my head pointing out all the inconsistencies.

[wild pike]

i mean you cant put "based on the game" and call it new cannon

[proper tinsel]

The Silver timeline is its own thing separate from the rest of the franchise

[vale cradle]

They never said that

They said it was new canon not based of game lore

[proper tinsel]

Can you give me an official statement saying that?

[vale cradle]

But y’all don’t complain about marvel having different Canon

[vale cradle]

#faq-and-glossary

[proper tinsel]

I don’t care about marvel at all.

[proper tinsel]

https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/silver-debrief-a-new-beginning

[vale cradle]

Well that’s coming from game devs

That’s i just tagged

[minor python]

New canon means less work for the writers so they can do their own thing and ignore what made the story good.

[steady grotto]

This show isn’t great but compared to other video game adaptations to live action I am very optimistic

[vale cradle]

Well i said what i said it’s new canon

Get over it

[uneven stratus]

man we're just gonna keep recycling this debate every single day huh?

[wild pike]

every Thursday

[minor python]

Yeh, good work takes research and time. Ain't nobody got money for dat

[vale cradle]

Well get over it

[steady grotto]

It is a product

[proper tinsel]

Being it’s own timeline isn’t the same as being “new canon”

[vale cradle]

It is

U can have more then 1 canon

[sand gale]

It's really not

[little anvil]

Until the show ends or they find something else to whine about, yes.
Presumably as soon as Season 2 for Infinite rolls out that'll be the new hot complainothon

[steady grotto]

But the games are still being made so how can it be a “new canon”

It’s a separate universe

[minor python]

It's less a product and more a cash out at this point. Gotta milk what's there before it's forgotten

[vale cradle]

Im not arguing with y’all take that up with 343 #faq-and-glossary

[uneven stratus]

ah yes, tell the person who was supporting your exact point a week ago to get over it. you're just as bad as the "it should be canon" nerds

[wild pike]

how can 2 canons exist in a single space

[vale cradle]

Talk to the wall

[steady grotto]

This person must be trolling I don’t think a human can be serious with these points

[uneven stratus]

you must be new to how franchises work

[minor python]

They do be trollin

[vale cradle]

I’m sorry i love u

[steady grotto]

A little Tom foolery

[vale cradle]

Marvel has many canons

It’s the same thing

[steady grotto]

Many universes

Canon things happen in those universes

[proper tinsel]

I guess it depends on how you define new canon. If you mean a new canonical timeline, yes then the show is new canon. If you mean that it’s new content that adds to the core canon, it’s not.

[vale cradle]

No marvel has many timelines as dr stranges new movie will explain

[steady grotto]

Two different things

[minor python]

I mean if it was good, I'd be down with new canon

[steady grotto]

Many timelines that make there own universes

[minor python]

But it's not

[vale cradle]

Alternative timelines have alternate of the same universes

Smart one

[steady grotto]

Yes so a separate universe

[vale cradle]

That’s why we still call planet reach reach and the high charity high charity

It’s an alternative timeline

[steady grotto]

That’s the possibility of an infinite universe

[wild pike]

it just feels like they're picking and choosing what they want to be canon from the other sources

[minor python]

Remember, guns shoot harder in Spartan's hand. Gaurds would rather beat children than run from aliens. It's a universe seperate from logic, lol.

[vale cradle]

Like i said argue with the wall #faq-and-glossary

[steady grotto]

An alternate timeline makes a new universe that’s how the infinite universe theory goes

[wild pike]

bruh for real

[proper tinsel]

Alternate timeline=different canon. Not related to core canon.

[steady grotto]

A perfect explanation

[vale cradle]

Didn’t say it was related i said new canon

Smart one

[steady grotto]

This must be a troll I don’t think someone would unironically say this

[vale cradle]

#faq-and-glossary

Argue with 343

[proper tinsel]

And since we evidently can’t agree on a common definition of new canon, we’re back to square one.

[steady grotto]

Canon is what happened in that timeline

a different timeline=different universe

A different universe=a different canon

[vale cradle]

I’m not arguing with u argue with the wall

[steady grotto]

You keep saying that and yet you coming back, why is that?

[proper tinsel]

Ergo different timeline=different canon

[dreamy stirrup]

This channel rn

[uneven stratus]

I'm still trying to figure out how this argument is continuing 3 episodes in

We're gonna be mid-season 2 and people will still be arguing canon, I swear

[steady grotto]

well actually canon is a type of gun used on a pirate ship

[proper tinsel]

Panda You’re not wrong. I have been arguing with people about lore and canon for close to 9 hours between here and the waypoint forums. I need a vacation.

[steady grotto]

You know what

Let’s just check the dictionary

[proper tinsel]

No that’s cannon. Wrong spelling.

[steady grotto]

Grrr

[proper tinsel]

About new canon? I couldn’t find anything.

[steady grotto]

canon noun: a sanctioned or accepted group or body of related works

[steady grotto]

Yeah

In the year 3557 all human life will be destroyed and people will still be arguing and debating on this topic through robots

[proper tinsel]

I can find out what the definition of canon and new is sure. “New canon” is a somewhat more ambiguous term apparently because all I get when I google that is cameras

[steady grotto]

Lol

[proper tinsel]

And after 9 straight hours of arguing about the lore and canon of fictional content I am too tired to dig deeper and just want to sleep.

[steady grotto]

Probably the best course of action

[proper tinsel]

Jokes on me because I have insomnia lol

[steady grotto]

Lol

[slow bridge]

This isnt "new canon" it was advertised as a different timeline and you keep saying new Canon like that's your winning chip yet it's a false statement. A different timeline was what they wanted to create so as to show their own story. This show is a mockery of halo and spits on Canon in every episode. The basic concepts of what made halo halo isn't even in the show. And the only reason the showrunners have this opportunity is because of 20 years of franchise building off of existing content that was widely loved and accepted. Now we have emo cheif and sub par characters of what was established. If they wanted to create a new timeline they could have made a new story but should have kept the basics intact this is more like say a showrunner wanted to create a new Games of Thrones story but added in the power rangers to "spice" things up.

O I figured it out this is halo multiverse like marvel as the blessed one keeps saying marvel...now I get it wonder when they will drop that info on us

[steady grotto]

The tv show is kinda like marvel what if as it takes place in a timeline that none of the other halo media takes place in

The main timeline/universe are the games,books comics etc

[proper tinsel]

It’s been made clear that there’s no cross over between the show and the rest of the franchise.

[steady grotto]

It’s like it’s own little thing

[slow bridge]

Yes I know and literally no one is arguing that point, but the basics are gone. The basics of what made halo is gone

[steady grotto]

It still has most of the story basics as halo has a pretty simple story it’s just a cool spin on it (it obviously doesn’t have the gameplay basics)

[slow bridge]

It's not its own thing that's a poor argument. They took an established ip and trashed it

The basics of the story is humanity brink of annihilation and a hero rises giving a feeling of being I'm cheifs shoes saving humanity with no dumb cw drama

[steady grotto]

They took an established ip and changed a few things made it a different universe and went from there plus it’s only on episode 3 and the only thing that makes me a little mad is the fact that chiefs face was reviled

[slow bridge]

"Few things" um sure

[steady grotto]

In the parts the games remember in in this universe reach is still not glassed so it’s before the plots of the games

[proper tinsel]

Chiefs face got revealed in H4 in core canon.

[slow bridge]

If it wasn't a cw show and they did a dif timeline I would probably enjoy it. Well they have to fox the early 2000s cgi too

[steady grotto]

Yes but it was barley showed and still left some mystery

[steady grotto]

It is a different timeline

[slow bridge]

You high? I haven't disagreed with that

[steady grotto]

“And they did a different timeline I would probably enjoy it” sounds a lot like you think it’s canon

[proper tinsel]

This IS a different timeline

[slow bridge]

Yes main point being if it wasn't a cw show

Emo cheif is dumb

[steady grotto]

💀

When tf was he emo in the show 💀

[slow bridge]

Episode 1 to episode 3

[steady grotto]

Did you even watch it 💀

[slow bridge]

Episode 1 and few clips and please don't be a child with "LMAO, lol" and such I've seen enough and the little bit I've seen has been plain sad. Episode 1 was just painful

Deleted

[steady grotto]

I’m concerned if your above 10 years old with your sentence structuring

[slow bridge]

And this is when you arguments fall apart

[steady grotto]

Where*

[slow bridge]

My sentence structure is just as good as the show you enjoy

[proper tinsel]

English syntax and grammar doesn’t seem to be your strong point

[steady grotto]

I am convinced you have not passed elementary school

[slow bridge]

Personal attacks on kids isn't a good look

[steady grotto]

My brain is strong enough to process people having a different opinion

[slow bridge]

Apparently not

If it was you would counter instead of going for insults

[steady grotto]

I’m convinced your 9 years old

[slow bridge]

Point proven

[steady grotto]

“My sentence structure is just as good as the show you enjoy” sure buddy

[proper tinsel]

So then why do you stoop to insults?

[slow bridge]

I try not to as its usually a result of low intelligence

Nothing wrong with respectful disagreements

[steady grotto]

Glad you figured that out

[slow bridge]

Um you started the insults

[steady grotto]

Scroll up

[steady grotto]

First insult in this debate

[minor python]

🍿

[slow bridge]

To your deleted comment?

[steady grotto]

I didn’t delete anything lol

[slow bridge]

That was an honest question...I am

Halo disc bot did

[steady grotto]

This channel has made no progress since it’s been made

[proper tinsel]

That explains a lot actually. Not in a bad way mind you. I’m thinking about the syntax and grammar issues in some of your posts.

[slow bridge]

Ok grammar police are just annoying no ones writing a college paper here

[steady grotto]

Yes but your sentences start to become unreadable to the point where that’s not an excuse

[dapper parcel]

Does anyone else this show is kind of bad?

[slow bridge]

Yes

[dapper parcel]

Like it’s not horrible. But it’s not good.

Like I’m baffled by almost every creative decision made.

[steady grotto]

It’s bad but in a good kinda way kinda like those early Batman movies but still kinda cool that we got it

[proper tinsel]

As a college student who is currently in this channel to escape working on finals, that hurts.

[slow bridge]

Careful your sentence structure wasn't correct happy and popye don't like that

[dapper parcel]

I wish we got Neil Blanc camps version

Dude I’m drunk on the Internet I don’t give a f*^#

[slow bridge]

Thank you

[steady grotto]

It’s readable tho

[slow bridge]

These other 2 care deeply

Bit show is pretty rough

[steady grotto]

You start being toxic and then try to play the victim or say we’re overreacting but ok

[slow bridge]

You broke me

[steady grotto]

Can we just stop this debate is going nowhere

[dapper parcel]

Hey guys let’s just love each other end s%# on this show.

Together

[slow bridge]

But you started it

[dapper parcel]

Me?

[slow bridge]

No happy

[dapper parcel]

Oh got it.

[steady grotto]

The message that I sent was a debate and not toxic

I’m trying to end this debate before it becomes to toxic

[slow bridge]

I'm no victim though. And sorry for getting rude

[dapper parcel]

Like why would they make somebody who’s not in the games and not master chief the main character

[steady grotto]

What?

[dapper parcel]

The little girl.

[slow bridge]

So it's like this someone wanted a cool science fiction show but needed name recognition and well we get this show

[steady grotto]

Oh well that’s not the main character I would still say Chief is still the main character

[slow bridge]

Emo cheif

[dapper parcel]

She feels like the lead so far.

[steady grotto]

Yeah it definitely feels like it

[dapper parcel]

Yeah for sure.

I’m cool with them telling an original story but this doesn’t feel like Halo.

And it looks cheap.

[steady grotto]

Tho I heard the writers have started to read the books and base material off of that so I’m hopeful for season 2

[dapper parcel]

We’ll See what happens.

[slow bridge]

The could multi verse this and fix it!

[proper tinsel]

Yeah it feels lacking as a halo related show

[steady grotto]

It looks cheap but the action scenes are still really cool (I might be saying that since halo hasn’t been violent in nearly a decade)

[proper tinsel]

How would that fix things?

[steady grotto]

There starting to read the halo books

[slow bridge]

Rewrite this whole show

[dapper parcel]

Halo is so cool and so rich. It feels like they intentionally ignored the source and watered it down.

I say reboot instead of multiverse

[slow bridge]

Um popye..."there"

[dapper parcel]

Halo doesn’t have a multiverse as far as I know.

[steady grotto]

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a different show and was rebranded for a halo show because of the contract with paramount and Microsoft

[slow bridge]

I was being sarcastic

[dapper parcel]

Oh got it haha

[steady grotto]

So they only had a little bit of time to put halo elements in

[slow bridge]

Kinda like rings of power

[steady grotto]

I’m really hoping season 2 turns out better

[dapper parcel]

Maybe this is all long enough before Halo 1 that it’ll grow to the point halo 1 started.

[slow bridge]

Doesn't look like they will make the cash

[dapper parcel]

||I do like they show chief face.||

[slow bridge]

You had me till there!

[dapper parcel]

I don’t like the way it looks. But I get why they did it.

[steady grotto]

Oh yeah wanna see what remaines of a canceled halo movie repurposed as a trailer

[slow bridge]

The face reveal wasn't a big deal to me just the way they did it

[steady grotto]

https://youtu.be/3S5I0_hjS3c

[dapper parcel]

They way they did it was lame.

[steady grotto]

I wish this came out instead

[dapper parcel]

Oh I think Fincher directed this!

He should have done it.

[minor python]

Reach through Halo 3 took place in the span of a few months right?

[steady grotto]

Yeah it was gonna be his first movie

[dapper parcel]

Not Spielberg

[minor python]

I think it all happened in 2552, the year the show is set

[slow bridge]

Yes

[steady grotto]

The props from this movie where repurposed for a movie I think it was sector 15 I haven’t seen it in a while but it was good

[dapper parcel]

No that Bloomkamp. And not that trailer.

District 9

[steady grotto]

There we go

[slow bridge]

Actually Peter Jackson was set to make a halo movie but Microsoft shitnit down and that's how we got district 9

[steady grotto]

It was a really good movie

[dapper parcel]

PJ was just executive producing.

[slow bridge]

Which was made on a budget of 30mil

[dapper parcel]

He may have been directing at a point but he was an EP for the main point.

[steady grotto]

The cancelled movie felt like it knew the source material better than the show

[slow bridge]

And has better cgi than this 90 mil show

[dapper parcel]

It really did.

[steady grotto]

I really wish it came out

[dapper parcel]

Why does Chief look like he’s crying without the mask

[steady grotto]

The show looked low budget but still really cool

[dapper parcel]

Helmet*

[slow bridge]

I remeber an interview where he makes comment about Microsoft didntbthink he could make cgi aliens look real

[steady grotto]

Well I mean yeah

[dapper parcel]

Well they couldn’t

[steady grotto]

They weren’t wrong

[dapper parcel]

He could.

[slow bridge]

So district 9 was slapped together

[dapper parcel]

Distinct 9 looked rad.

[steady grotto]

The props where reused

Just a new coat of paint

[slow bridge]

Yeah I'd rather have a pj halo than district 9 though

[dapper parcel]

https://youtu.be/SyOAdrxlPVs

[steady grotto]

True

[tawdry kestrel]

I mean it's the beginning of it and I believe there is more to come

[dapper parcel]

This was the one.

[steady grotto]

https://youtu.be/5-63MY-3ppc

This is actually really cool

[dapper parcel]

Right!

[steady grotto]

The comments here are hilarious

[dapper parcel]

Are the all dissing the show?

[steady grotto]

Yep

[dapper parcel]

As soon as Spielberg and Otto were brought on I knew this was gonna be a joke.

[slow bridge]

Haha I didn't read them till now

[dapper parcel]

I hope they kill off this girl fast.

I don’t feel like she belongs in Halo

[slow bridge]

Which one?

[steady grotto]

Paramount pay close attention but this short film has figured out how to make cgi weapons that don’t pop out like a green screen

[dapper parcel]

The main girl.

[slow bridge]

Blessed one? Or Kwan

I've only watched episode 1

Canceling subscription after I finish the stand

[dapper parcel]

Kwan

[steady grotto]

Im just watching them with my free trial and gamepass

[dapper parcel]

Blessed one is stupid but it could be ok.

[slow bridge]

I only got the subscription to watch halo

[dapper parcel]

My roommate has paramount plus for Detroiters

Otherwise I would torrent it.

I’d feel dirty paying for this joke.

[slow bridge]

I do

[steady grotto]

It’s really sad to think about how we could have gotten a much better halo show/movie that wouldn’t require a streaming service

[dapper parcel]

Exactly.

[slow bridge]

Streaming services are getting to pricey for lack of content on each one

[steady grotto]

It would make more money to since most people will just use free trials to watch the one thing they want

[dapper parcel]

#releasetheblomkampcut

This guy doesn’t have chiefs swagger

[slow bridge]

I wish they had got Alan Richerson from Reacher to play the cheif

[dapper parcel]

I liked him in 13 Hours so I had hopes for him.

He could have done it.

[slow bridge]

Pablo was beast mode in Den of Theives

[dapper parcel]

He was good there too

[steady grotto]

https://youtu.be/Xnh2_w7PqZA landfall doesn’t look great but it feels so much more grounded to reality and like it knows what it’s doing compared to the tv show

[dapper parcel]

It was test footage so it was pretty low budget.

[slow bridge]

But better looking

[dapper parcel]

Like the Deadpool leaked video.

It really does.

[steady grotto]

hey guys look I added a first person view in the middle of the fight I played halo-the director probably

[slow bridge]

😄

[dapper parcel]

Do they do that in the show?

Doom sucked but that scene was fun

[steady grotto]

Yes and it gets very old very fast

[slow bridge]

Doom really let me down

[steady grotto]

https://youtu.be/1VuFT1V4p_g this scene was actually kinda cool tho

[dusty prairie]

niggwe?

[slow bridge]

See of cheif was cheif from games I would be ok with the other things they changed

[steady grotto]

I really hope season 2 has flood since I only watch the new series for the fight scenes and not the plot

[slow bridge]

Well and they really needed to clean of cgi

Oof it's hitting me now

[steady grotto]

Why does the more animated halo movie/show look more natural

https://youtu.be/4-ElVdM5z8o

[slow bridge]

Writers cared maybe?

[steady grotto]

Yeah

[slow bridge]

Well cared about halo as halo

[steady grotto]

Also the show only used the games sound effects that sounded awkward in live action

[dapper parcel]

The dialogue is so bad

[slow bridge]

Completely agree

[dapper parcel]

And the acting

[steady grotto]

The weapon sounds would have worked so much better instead of the shields or invis sounds

[little anvil]

Down the "we hate the show, anyone with me" rabbit hole?

[dapper parcel]

I’m down

We’re already down it.

[steady grotto]

Well we are discussing how it’s it could be improved

[dapper parcel]

I’m just watching it for the first time.

[slow bridge]

Why did the cheif throw his ar down in episode 1? He shouldnhave put it on his back then walked over ammo to collect it!

[steady grotto]

https://youtu.be/0Lnq6eOjS8c
weapons sound so much more natural than the other sounds

[dapper parcel]

So I need the support of people who feel my pain.

[slow bridge]

I got you!

[slow bridge]

For real haha

[dapper parcel]

I like a lot of the design but I feel it looks too cartoony.

Like if they take the same design and reanimate it it could be cool

I wish they got Matt Reeves to do it

I mean he would never do this but it would be cool if he did

[slow bridge]

I was so annoyed with how some shots look epic then they forget to paint a plasma pistol

[dapper parcel]

Did that really happen?

[slow bridge]

Yeah

[dapper parcel]

Hahahah

Where?

[steady grotto]

I can’t find the clip but when the elite jumped and made the halo 3 Camo sound that immediately felt like it was trying to pander to halo fans while not actually making something related to halo

[slow bridge]

The gun issue, man that irritated me and then my 8 year old points it out to me "how come the guns only kill aliens when the robot has it?"

[slow bridge]

My first thought was "I thought you didn't play the games!"

[dapper parcel]

I think chief takes off his helmet too much

[steady grotto]

The og weapon sound are a lot more subtle and are actually good so it would be a much better reference