halo-the-series-chat

[verbal fox]

Maybe it would be higher or lower

[sacred plume]

You can see them tomorrow

After a new episode it will give you the best idea.

Today its the highest drop weekly

[verbal fox]

I feel more like Friday and Saturdays give more accurate info. :

Less people working, more time to watch

Thursday is generally a work night

I'll look nonetheless

[sacred plume]

I guess Friday since thats 24 hours after release, but not Saturday.

[verbal fox]

But again, resources, time, willpower, and money. I don't see how we will ever get a canon show or film, and 343 seems uninterested it showing any future roadmap for anything

[sacred plume]

Like look at it this way, 343 first needs to fix the gaming division due to previous management

For now the Showrunner seems to want to stick to the books more through inspiration since S1 already exists. So until S3 things will still be kind of an "else worlds" again get me noble 6 on the ring since this isnt the mainline and I wont really mind the early issues.

[verbal fox]

Okay, umm... Look in spoiler

[timid gyro]

I have to say that even with all its flaws, I still love watching the halo universe outside of a game. It's captivating watching what I play in a game come to life and also seeing what the Spartans can actually do is very cool.

[echo estuary]

bad batch is a lot more niche than halo

[verbal fox]

Is that a good thing or bad, or neutral?

[echo estuary]

neutral

just means it won’t be as popular

[verbal fox]

I don't agree with that. Niche things can be very popular

Hell Divers, very niche, very popular rn

[echo estuary]

niche things are by definition not popular

if it’s popular it’s not niche

[gritty venture]

I can tell you why most things go towards "international marketing" nowadays, but it ain't a pretty reason

[verbal fox]

I wouldn't agree with that.

[echo estuary]

tf you mean

the definition of niche is appealing to a specialized, small subsection of a population

[gritty venture]

Ngl I agree with this. It's also Wokeness and ease of access to an audience with lesser braincells than most.

[echo estuary]

if something is niche it can’t be popular because it wouldn’t apply to a small group

[echo estuary]

what?????

[verbal fox]

Just because it is designed to appeal to a niche group, doesn't mean it is unable to be widely popular

[echo estuary]

i didn’t say it was designed to appeal to a niche group

i said it was niche

and it is pretty niche

[gritty venture]

No I was agreeing with your point, but also adding my own. My opinion on why halo TV and most other cool series fall of the raila

[verbal fox]

I think he means be careful, because the mods here are trigger happy

[warm birch]

new episode tonight right?

[gritty venture]

Oh I see. Well... Eh. If people wanna silence me for voicing my opinion then ok, that's their right with their power. /shrug

[sacred plume]

Not so much that, like I dislike things aimilar to The Marvels because of Bad writting.

But 1 scene isnt really that, like for context people who getvlike this for every small thing in my country...

[echo estuary]

i think it’s stupid to blame the halo show’s weaknesses on being “woke”

[verbal fox]

Let's not fuel that discussion

[echo estuary]

yeah you’re right

[stiff osprey]

Halo’s woke? Wait…what? 😂

[echo estuary]

i don’t wanna get into it

it’s a dumb argument and someone’s gonna get warned or something

[ashen vector]

Watch party tomorrow?

[leaden drum]

I wouldn't say "Woke," but definitely that someone had an idea at Paramount they wanted to pitch, and the heads wanted a big name to attach to it for money grabs. And unfortunately for us, Halo was selected. The show is a mid sci fi and adding Halo to it makes it vastly subpar there's no real Wokeness to it. There are Mary and Gary Sues, and dumb decisions (cough Reach City, Reach?! cough cough), along with we'll say questionable additions and removals. But "Woke"? I don't think so. Still sucks though.

[mossy zephyr]

What do you all think of the spirit of fire battleapss

[sacred plume]

Theres a promotion that was released for the Mexican channel of Paramount where a cosplayer goes around certain well known places of the country, essentially over here the reception even in what you can read is a 180 to those in the US.

So some people realized that it was posted 2 days ago and were going to complain about the helmet again, just to get shutdown by people telling them to go away.

[west pike]

Shame the og fans that understand the importance of a Faceless protagonist are being gatekept

[sacred plume]

Xbox in Mexico dominates the Market by one of the largest margins when it comes to users between platforms.

A large ammount of the total material surrounding Halo is consumed here.

People on their 30s to 40s who played since CE enjoy it because they understand the baseline of an alternate timeline

That and the fact ego's are not overflowing because well lets just say stuff such as life aint the type you get through with pride.

[west pike]

Cool motive still gatekeeping

[sacred plume]

Do you know what gatekeeping is?

[west pike]

Dusk apparently thinks it's exactly as you're describing

Wrong opinion = go away

[sacred plume]

Gatekeeping is to keep info and knowledge away from a certain individual or groups of individuals

Which can be self inflicted

[west pike]

Okay? I've been accused of gatekeeping here for much less

All I know is Mexico is gatekeeping, sweaty 💅

[sacred plume]

Which results on individuals believeing a general concessus exists, when in reality when compared to the total number of individuals and groups, the result can in ocassion be the opposite.

The difference is one is telling others that they are not welcome, but that doesnt correlate with gatekeeping.

As in definition, thats not what it is.

Same thing was happening on the Brazilian channel too

I just find it funny that people are faced with the fact the people across the globe cannot care less for such ideas born of ones own ego.

[west pike]

You think the shared attachment to the master chief as a Faceless hero is from ego???? Are ya daft? It's like the main appeal of the character and it robs new enjoyers of the franchise of that feeling of "this could be me." or even "who could this powerhouse be?" I don't belive this because of ego dude, it's widely accepted as unique and special to players. Ego is the last thing that makes the helmet a talking point and it's insulting to say so

[sacred plume]

"I think I know how halo is so it should be like that", not only has people internationally understood Chief and spartans are not glued to the armor, they also understand else worlds takes.

And how that can work for different tales and to introduce new audiences, things like Gundam has been doing it for decades.

So yes, itvis born from the Ego of people who believe they know what Halo is when in reality, they dont.

[west pike]

Dude... its the master chief not halo as a whole. His character is Faceless and stoic and that has gravitated more followers than it has repelled. For you to think it comes from fans thinking they know better is just flat out Insulting. It's not knowing better, it's straight up getting used to it BECAUSE THAT IS HIS CHARACTER! you are bringing in assumptions that people think Spartans don't take off their armor, no fan that knows the lore believes that for a second and you know it!

You want to be better than fans who know the importance of the helmet, but you aren't. Your place in this argument reeks of ego, not the ones that know the nuisance and importance of the Faceless protagonist they've attached to and I've attached to in some ways.

[sacred plume]

Metatext, thats literally what you should be studying.

Chief is meant to be humanities best, be it in ability, fortitude and conviction while also showcasing care, companionship, mercy and understanding.

He is also a symbol of humanities strife, Halseys next step for the race is meant to be him.

In that way chief reaching that place through different avenues in different timelines isnt an issue.

Something that section of people screaming to themselves on the X app will have to learn.

Because sure you can scream as much as yoi want, but when the show is the 3rd most watched worldwide on the 6th day after an episode releases and people can link to his character and connect the fa t he is chief but not exactly the one in the games.

Well thats when the question is who is wrong, the 300k or so vocal individuals that make themselves look big or the 65 million people who tune in and can undersatnd this.

[west pike]

So your take is "it's a different timeline so his face doesn't matter." Here's your reddit gold I guess...

[sacred plume]

Its a different timeline, the way through which we areive to the wjat makes up the essence of the Chief, can be achieved throughbmultiple avenues

[west pike]

And that's really unnecessary

[sacred plume]

Quite literally metatext again

[west pike]

Say that all you want, but it isn't what we deserve

I will not be complacent about it just because "it's an alternate timeline"

[subtle crystal]

I have deja Vu about this conversation and now I'm bored

Anyway new episode day hype whoohooooo

[sacred plume]

Gundam for example. It has beams people with psychic abilities and its around people connecting through a new kind of humanity.

And yet theres an else wrolds where theres no new humanity, no psychic stuff and beam weapons are rendered useless. It also no longer is about people connecting through this psychic connection but instead its about people sharing their pain.

Og Gundam has a scared pilot who is a teen.

The elseworlds is a trained child as a soldier.

And yet they work together due to the metatext, even when in different timelines.

[west pike]

But it's not called Gundam, it's called elseworlds instead

[sacred plume]

No, the link of themes and subjects connects them. Making both of them valuable and introducing with eaxh elseworld new audiences to their entire universe, including the many different timelines.

[west pike]

Right, so call the show something that isn't Halo and then you'd be right to equate them

This is not the same thing as it's called the same thing as the games

You are bringing up branches to where halo is basically an umbrella

[sacred plume]

What I understand is that you are stuck on that idea of one thing is only one, which is a way to handicap ones self.

Eventually you'll have to understand the way works of media and art interconnect and what drives them as 1 isnt the blant things any McDonalds drive through worker can write in X.

Again, you just lack exposure to more forms of media and art, so just do as you want. Over here we are just gonna enjoy it.

[west pike]

Nice ego you're proving you don't have.

This is just about the helmet dude and yes many things can be made, but you can't break traditional norms just because you can, it literally enhances nothing for the story of halo as a whole

[sacred plume]

What explainning metatextuality? Here I think I get the idea that you dont fully understand the words for their meaning, ego, is valorating one self too much over what they truly are.

And well when your country has 9 out of the 10 most dangerous cities in the world, thats something you dont get to develop because that just causes problems at best and at worst...

Again, experience more forms of entretainment, storytelling, art, etc.

And if you see someone enjoy something you particullary dont enjoy, well you sure can comment on it but not oppose to them enjoying it or try to sell a narrative that isnt actually there.

By your, I mean mine btw

[west pike]

So you're making up an argument? Cuz I never said they can't enjoy the show, I said they are gatekeeping as a joke, then defended the tradition of the masterchiefs appearance being left to the minds of the fans.

Have you been winning your own argument? XD

[sacred plume]

Then the form you communicated that was weird, at least for me I understood the opposite.

I agree og chief has the helmet as part of the mystique, I argued that what chief represents isnt stuck to that 1 representation.

[west pike]

I feel like you've heard that argument so much which I understand, I have too that you conflated what I meant with a more aggressive take.

He of course can have billions of iterations, HOWEVER I personally believe they got it right first try and shouldn't mess with it too much.

[sacred plume]

I mean mainline isnt affected by this besides MP getting cool armors

[west pike]

See that's usually just a cop out, but if they make more stories excluding master chief I'd be more receptive

[sacred plume]

You should look at it like the Infinite fractures of elseworlds

[west pike]

I'm looking at it moreso as a What If series

[sacred plume]

I get that but well, branding, as in if its called Halo theyd have a verdion of chief.

Later on for ODSTs and Spartan 3s, the characters will be brand new or takes on past ones in this timeline.

But chief was gonna have to be here in one way or another, thats something Microsoft wouldnt allow to be changed.

[west pike]

I guess that's true, I made a point earlier that they really need to loosen their clutch on MC so more stories can be told

[sacred plume]

And I feel like S2 is meant to begin correcting S1, storywise its making it centered on John and Chief being one so that both entities that were separate in S1 can become 1 single by the end of S2.

[west pike]

Yeah rn it seems like the running gag is gaslighting John XD

[sacred plume]

Yeah, I feel like thats just Ackerson really trying to sell Spartan 2s as incomptent for his Spartan 3 to be fully approved.

Like the man tried to get chief killed in trainning on the mainline

[west pike]

Very very true, but let's not dive into that, wrong chat for it.

[sacred plume]

True

[west pike]

I appreciate having this conversation tho! Ill look into that meta text thing you were mentioning

[sacred plume]

[west pike]

[dapper hedge]

anyone else unable to watch episode 4?

nvm

[snow mural]

Ok wow

I’m speechless

[tough slate]

The fall of reach has never been so beautiful

[heavy locust]

Episode 4 good?

[toxic warren]

Sooooo good

[dreamy stirrup]

We got action baby!

[subtle crystal]

So much action!

[heavy locust]

About to watch it!!!

[tawdry kestrel]

Just watched the latest episode. All I can say it was awesome

[floral spoke]

I'm angry

[tawdry kestrel]

About what

[fallen kayak]

Can’t make everyone happy lol

[west pike]

I'm poor and really want to watch, hopefully it gets uploaded to youtube

[toxic warren]

First two episodes are, I think

The rest won't be

[spring viper]

They are free

[toxic warren]

If you have Game Pass, you can get a free trial of paramount plus for 30 days

Probably some other promos kicking around for similar deals

[fallen kayak]

I mean it’s 5.99 a month

[spring viper]

Of course a mod deleted it and tried to get people to pay for gamepass lol 😆

[fallen kayak]

I mean it’s worth it purely for nick

[toxic warren]

Yes, because I shouldn't have to explain that piracy is not a welcome subject here

[west pike]

Unless it's sea of thieves, then it's just off topic xD

Anyway I'll see if I can get that 30 day trial

[west pike]

That's 5.99 too expensive for me, I'm working class also known as poor with benefits

also getting it to watch one show is kinda... meh

[spring viper]

If someone wants to watch "1" show they ain't gonna pay for Gamepass Nor the Fee for paramount+ as the show alone isn't worth the money i shouldn't have to explain that

[toxic warren]

If they don't pay for Paramount, they don't get to watch it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[west pike]

Well that's not true lol the internet is a wonderful place.

Anyway I really wanna see the next episode and if it isn't going up on YouTube anytime soon I'll figure something out I guess

Probably the 30 day since I don't think I've used that. I used to get it for free cuz I worked at Walmart XD

[urban sparrow]

10 hours until I can watch 😭

[toxic warren]

It's worth the wait

By the rings, it's worth it

[west pike]

So they uploaded the end of episode 4

Very nice

[toxic warren]

@mossy zephyr #halo-the-series-spoiler-chat

Please don't post spoilers for season 2 episodes here

[west pike]

How many episodes will there be again?

[toxic warren]

8 episodes

[west pike]

Oh then I'll wait for that 30 days, I don't want to waste it for only half of the show

[tawdry kestrel]

If you sub now you'll get the first and last 4 just fine.

[unreal pebble]

Wonder how i00's feeling now that saying good things about the show is no longer enough to make you persona non grata.

Or Halo Canon, on that same note.

[umbral granite]

Halo canon came back?

[verbal fox]

Wdym by that?

[umbral granite]

I think in 00’s case, his thoughts about the show should be people’s last thought when deciding to watch him or not. He very clearly loves halo. I enjoy his most detailed videos.

[west pike]

Who is 00?

[verbal fox]

There are people who want the lore youtube channels to declare the show bad. It's one of those "you didn't join the movement so we hate you" sorta things.

[verbal fox]

Installation00, a youtuber who does Halo lore vids

[west pike]

Ah is he like an avid hater or something?

[verbal fox]

No no, people want him to be

But he supports the show instead, last I checked that is

[unreal pebble]

No.

[umbral granite]

Oh you meant s1

[unreal pebble]

I mean regarding the backlash they got then compared to how people are going 'oh actually it's passable now'

Because massive backlash was part of why they quit

[umbral granite]

Personally if I were halo canon I’d feel pretty betrayed

If I make content for people and my opinion on a show was all it took for them to turn on me, I really cannot imagine wanting to stay

I don’t want to assume anything, but just my thoughts

[bitter ginkgo]

They waited to long for it not to be canon. If we had more animated series, multiple movies, then maybe the show can be a different timeline but the content is so lacking that to do something so different is just silly

[timid gyro]

#halo-the-series-spoiler-chat

[stray wadi]

Oh. Didn't think that would be spoilers I posted for a released episode. Will stick it in there though 👍

[hollow root]

4 is actually a really good episode. Loved it

[fair shard]

YOOOOO. Who watched the latest episode of season 2?

[ashen shuttle]

Me

[silent fable]

Can’t believe people are still moaning about this halo series after watching ep4 the best episode we’ve had since the show started it was brilliant no words for it best action iv seen need more of this loved halo since I was a kid and seeing it in live action is awesome no complaints from me I’m enjoying the show as it is it’s a little different and something new which is good who would want something that’s already a video game to watch the same thing over again I’d rather have something new. Can’t wait for ep5 lets go 👏🏻

[buoyant lava]

On it’s own, it was not a BAD episode, given that there were moving sequences and well-behaved action.

But: ||Soren is still a clown, Keys’ death is useless and way less impactful and important than his death in CE, Makee is here without any protection and no one is focusing on her, Vannak’s death is meaningless. And to be fair, CGI was off.||

[craggy bane]

What is this Garbage show and why has it not been cancelled? 😂😂😂

So the Halo Show has gotten much worse 😂😂

During the Fall of Reach the ONI higher-ups take the Spartan armour away from the Spartans.

They killed Diverse Captain Keys on Reach.

And Cortana is captured by the Covenant 😂🤣😂

[craggy bane]

It's Garbage and isn't Halo

[umbral granite]

Duality of man

[buoyant lava]

You really have to unplug your brain to slightly enjoy it. It’s awful. Maybe some guys will be able to make some decent action scenes highlights, but yeah, that’s it.

[fair shard]

So people don't like non-cannon shows. Don't watch it then, let those who enjoy it actually enjoy it.

[west pike]

There needs to be a Canon show made eventually tho let's be honest. It'd be super cool to see

[azure valve]

I agree with this. I still like this show, though!

[fair shard]

I agree, paramount may see the reviews on the halo fans and may make a second halo series where it is cannon and chief not taking his helmet off.

However the Non-Cannon one is someone else's "What if this happened instead of that" ordeal. I enjoy it quite a bit and still will watch it no matter how many seasons they make. I'm still interested on what they plan to do with the artifacts and the ring

[craggy bane]

Non Canon or not this isn't even Halo

[craggy bane]

With good writers

[fair shard]

Well if you don't like it, don't watch it

[west pike]

Yeah I swing with it, but only to a degree.

[craggy bane]

I have a right to be annoyed and say my opinion on one of my favourite franchises

[west pike]

This should be everyone's take tbh. We all wanted canon, but we got something they thought would be..m more I guess?

[wise onyx]

FUD did a good job, paramount should hire the people behind that movie, give that guy a budget, see what he can do

[fair shard]

I'm not saying you can't voice your opinions. All I'm saying is, if you do not like the show, you do not have to watch it.

[craggy bane]

More watching Hidden Xperia talk about it

[fair shard]

I TOTALLY agree and will get behind that. Especially if they make it a cannon show as well.

[craggy bane]

Saw the 1st Ep of S1 and that was awful

[fair shard]

So your not actually watching the show?

[umbral granite]

You took your opinion from a YouTuber?

[west pike]

Second season is making bandaid fixes, it's on the incline

[craggy bane]

They just need writers who can write and care about the franchise

[west pike]

A YouTuber that is well versed in lore

[nimble cobalt]

This episode was so good, really liked it

[craggy bane]

No I watch a few to see what happened. Even things he's ok with I hate

[wanton fern]

In a show that isn't going off the main lore?

[azure valve]

one of the best of S2, ngl

[craggy bane]

If you have no taste in TV and film it probably is

[west pike]

They are trying to stay close to lore tho

[umbral granite]

🤦‍♂️

[wanton fern]

how tf lmao

[fair shard]

So we found a toxic halo player complaining about a show she watched from a YouTuber's perspective.

[west pike]

Let's not insult people for liking stuff.

[azure valve]

okay this is going a little too far

[wise onyx]

Master Chief was great in that movie, the part where master chief told lasky and the 3 other survivors that they were the only people left on the planet is what really got me

[wanton fern]

What part of this show has been close to the lore?

[west pike]

They literally said they checked with Microsoft and 343 frame by frame to make sure it was accurate

[craggy bane]

Non Canon or not this show isn't Halo it's like ordering water at a restaurant and getting diluted Orange water it's not what you ordered

[west pike]

Yes it's a different universe, no they aren't making stuff up out of thin air

[craggy bane]

Just don't have bad tastes then 😂

[craggy bane]

Cope

[craggy bane]

Forward Unto Dawn was brilliant

[buoyant lava]

aliens go pew pew

[wanton fern]

this show is literally in a different universe accurate in some ways yes but not fully

[verbal fox]

They are making things up out of thin air

[west pike]

No such thing as bad tastes, just bad choices. People can attach to whatever they please. Im trying to bail you out here

[fair shard]

So the latest episode was good, right?

[buoyant lava]

Nope

[west pike]

Then don't believe what the writers said ig?

[fair shard]

I throughly enjoyed it

[buoyant lava]

Good for you

[craggy bane]

There is such thing as bad tastes. People like Disney SW there's clearly something wrong with them

[wanton fern]

Yes they want to keep it as accurate at possible but story wise it's a completely different story

[fair shard]

Do NOT bring 7,8, and 9 into this. Complete different thing

[nimble cobalt]

I’ve been a fan since the beginning and bought a xbox just for halo when it came out, I’ve read the books and I’m happy with the 2nd season, people complaining that it isn’t following cannon but neither does the mcu, people need relax and enjoy for what it is

[west pike]

It's a different timeline of the similar events, it's not straight up original stuff

[azure valve]

It was

[craggy bane]

It isn't Halo its a Syfi show with a Halo skin to get people to watch this slop

[fair shard]

Nice, nice, you shead a tear as well?

[craggy bane]

Equally as bad if not worse

[wanton fern]

explain how it isn't halo lmao

[verbal fox]

It isn't a Paleo Cosmic Epic

[fair shard]

Worse because they are trying to put that garbage onto the cannon timeline.

[west pike]

We all really need to just agree to disagree that our standards are different and all takes here are valid WITHOUT INSULT TO THE OTHER

[fair shard]

At least everyone working on the halo series said it was non cannon off the bat

[azure valve]

Please listen to this guy

[west pike]

I'm out

[wanton fern]

then explain what your problems are with it

[buoyant lava]

To be fair, remove the costumes, randomize names: there is nothing left for a Halo fan to identify this TV show as « Halo »

[fair shard]

Again. It's non cannon.

[azure valve]

Look, yall have known this show was non-canon for at least 2 years

[wise onyx]

Seriously though, someone please give the people behind Forward Unto Dawn the budget because they know what HALO is

[wanton fern]

you can say the same about any other franchise

[buoyant lava]

Doesn’t have to be so far away from canon Halo

[wanton fern]

because that was a cannon show

[buoyant lava]

I don’t care about other franchise

[wanton fern]

but it's true reskin any franchise and it is completely different

[bitter ginkgo]

They did it again, they hired people who hate halo to make halo the tv series

[nimble cobalt]

But the convents, forerunner and halo ??

[wise onyx]

I been saying this

[craggy bane]

But people will watch this show and think it represents the Canon.

They could write an original Syfi show but it won't be popular because the Writers are Activists not creators and want to ruin what fans love so they put a Halo Skin suit over it to get people in and write Garbage

[wise onyx]

There was even an article somewhere of 343 hiring people who hate HALO back then around the release of HALO 5

[craggy bane]

Oh I agree they were fans not Activists

[wanton fern]

so people are complaining that it isn't following canon? but then would probably complain that it is boring because they copied and pasted it

[buoyant lava]

Are you admitting that the only thing that identifies this TV series with Halo are the costumes?

[wise onyx]

For the budget that they had, the covenant forces looked very impressive and it was brilliant for them to attack in the still of the night

[buoyant lava]

Have you seen forerunners? You’re lucky, I saw Asians disguised as Mad Max survivors and space pirates.

[craggy bane]

Most people want Standards like myself and for it to respect the lore and characters

[wanton fern]

HOW CAN IT FOLLOW THE LORE IF IT IS IN ANOTHER TIMELINE

[buoyant lava]

It was at the time of Halo 4. But yes.

[craggy bane]

They actually look better than Paramounts 😂

[bitter ginkgo]

Halo TV series leans to heavily on that reinforced skull

[craggy bane]

Why do another Timeline?

[wise onyx]

The jackals were actually intimidating when the warthog was zooming past them in the pitch black woods

[wanton fern]

there is alot more restrictions not to BREAK the lore in the Halo games timeline and what would it show that the games already don't?

[craggy bane]

Tbh they could have made original Spartan 3s or 2s or ODSTs and made a show with them and not have dumb writing choices

[wanton fern]

you just want a copy and paste of the games?

[buoyant lava]

From the books *

Most of the books are insanely good as source material for a TV show

[craggy bane]

Book adaptation would be cool

[wanton fern]

When he didn't have a gun or anyone about? the jackals would've just shot him anyway

[wise onyx]

Let’s not forget the 2001 Chevy Tahoe in the 26th century in a distant human colony in season 1 💀

[buoyant lava]

I’m pointing at the writers here, not the jackals

[fair shard]

Well when the people who think it's cannon and get into halo. They will dig more into the lore and see that the show is non cannon. Your making a big deal out of what could happen and what wouldn't happen.

I recommend taking a step back, relaxing and realizing not all people are dumb and can do research on stuff

[wanton fern]

like how the game did in the first hour of gameplay?

you see him for maybe 20 minutes at the most

[fair shard]

Facts

[buoyant lava]

« Taking a step back and relax » while our favorite franchise is being literally killed week after week lol

[wise onyx]

Forget the jackals, dude what about the marines that just stood there and watch, they had the rifles in their hands and didn’t do anything

[fair shard]

The franchise died when Bungie stepped away from the games.

[wanton fern]

He. Was. a. goner

did I watch the same episodes you all did because last I saw the marines there they were being pushed back?

and that he was alone

[fair shard]

Jackals looked hungry and they were looking for a tasty key dinner

[wise onyx]

There were marines at the door, looking right at Keyes as the jackals were zeroing on him

[azure valve]

nah, they were skipping to desert...key lime pie

[fair shard]

Alright you got me there, lmfao

[wanton fern]

and had they opened fire on them they would've shot him anyway

[azure valve]

loool

[wanton fern]

and lost more marines that was worth it

[azure valve]

yeah there was no survival outcome

[buoyant lava]

His death was impactful. Books gave him some lore. Killing him now is just nonsense. I’m not mad because it’s DIFFERENT, I’m mad because he’s an important character and they wrote his story differently and sacrificed him for 5 jackals.

More screen time =/= More impact on the story

[ripe vessel]

damn this is dum tv show my b

[wise onyx]

They could’ve atleast had them aim instead of having them stand there like it’s just a casual thing that often happens

[wanton fern]

5 Jackal's that were on screen... lord knows how many were actually around

[fair shard]

Maybe we can look at this in a better light

[wanton fern]

Yea I didn't get that either tbf

[fair shard]

Miranda keys in control of the pillar?

[wise onyx]

They just seemed so static like they were just standing there casually watching Keyes die

[buoyant lava]

It’s not about the jackals, just read 10 pages about him in « THE FALL OF REACH » and see how important he is and look at the impact he has on CE’s story.

[wise onyx]

Like “Oh, guess he’s gonna die, what do we do? Nothing, let’s just stand here and watch him get mauled by the jackals”

[buoyant lava]

Swap ||Keys|| and ||Vannak||, and I would have had nothing to complain about.

[nimble cobalt]

I feel like some of us are taking the change a little too seriously, we have no real control over the changes made to any franchise

[wanton fern]

What impact in CE lol? Wake up chief, goes down with ship, gets captured, gets saved, goes on random mission, Gets taken by flood, chief sticks hand through head not much of an impact tbh

[fair shard]

Why complain about a franchise being murdered by 343 every update on Infinite?

[craggy bane]

Why are you complaining to us then if you don't care about the franchise? Clearly you care

[wise onyx]

Do you guys think Echo 419 is gonna make an appearance on the TV show?

[wanton fern]

you guys do know that 343 oversaw the development of forward unto Dawn right?

and halo legends

[craggy bane]

Legends was mostly good

Some episodes I can skip

[buoyant lava]

It is the character who starts the story, who makes the decision to land, who understands what is going on while he is captured, who is our last chance to take over, who dies a few seconds before our arrival. His death is violent, shocking.

You can’t swap him for another character in CE

[wanton fern]

because there is no other character in CE

[buoyant lava]

And ?

[wanton fern]

Chief, Cortana, Johnson?

[buoyant lava]

It doesn’t change what I’m saying

[craggy bane]

Tbh they weirdly Race changed Keys and removed Johnson

Bit odd

[wanton fern]

yea I was expecting to see him defending reach in the episode more of a missed opportunity

might take keyes place in the show

I stf if he starts to complain

[buoyant lava]

I’m trying to explain to you how stupid it is to sacrifice a character as important as he is now, I’m not complaining. The damage is done, the episodes come out and I have no control over them.

[nimble cobalt]

Same here, I read someone thinks maybe he survived cus they’re capturing unsc and forerunner tech maybe they grabbed him cus he’s vital to unsc could lead him to the halo

[buoyant lava]

was I supposed to be happy as a fan because he took out his pipe before dying??

[wanton fern]

nah I think he's long gone

if y'all want to complain about something justified complain about makee being alive again and chief finally getting the energy sword and losing it 2 seconds later

[buoyant lava]

#halo-the-series-chat message

[wise onyx]

I have a problem with a human leading covenant elites, it just makes no sense and that is something that would never happen, the prophets did not stutter, they want EVERY human gone

[nimble cobalt]

Guess we’ll see next week, his sacrifice was subtle but nice

[wanton fern]

saw chief doing it along side the arbiter

[nimble cobalt]

They’re using her a tool and nothing else I feel, lying to her, especially when they talked about her in the last episode of the 1st season

[fair shard]

The ones who are complaining are you and the other lady. You care about a franchise that is dieing yet your not seeing the reason of creating the show.

[nimble cobalt]

They don’t want to but have to since forerunner tech is only responding to certain individuals like makee and John

[craggy bane]

They won't listen they only like it because it's called Halo and have no standards in Story writing

[wanton fern]

also the biggest missed opportunity is we finally get a long battle scene but chief got no damn armour

[craggy bane]

The reason is? Because it isn't gaining money

[wise onyx]

Imma still keep watching the show, but I still say that some things just doesn’t make sense

[wanton fern]

I do if I don't like the writing I just ain't watching it but y'all are still paying to watch it and then complaining

and enjoy the current story

[fair shard]

To get more people on the games and to start rebuilding a community. Shows how much you really care 🙂

[buoyant lava]

There’s that in the books

[craggy bane]

THEN WRITE A GOOD SHOW! 😂😂😂 this Garbage won't do that

[nimble cobalt]

Right but I think they used because when Keyes made the speech about not him with his armor made them equals with his fellow Marines

[wise onyx]

What about the people that will think it’s like the show when they play the games

[wanton fern]

I mean on the live screen I wanna watch it not read it or look at it

[wise onyx]

“Where’s Kwan and Makee? When do they show up?”

[craggy bane]

I'm not paying at all

[wanton fern]

neither am I tbf 😂

I got a friends account

[craggy bane]

Paramount gets nothing from my wallet 😂

[wanton fern]

true

[wise onyx]

I been using a website to watch the series

[craggy bane]

Based

[wise onyx]

But this episode made me fork over some money to watch this episode since it wasn’t on the website I goto and believe me, I looked other places

[fair shard]

Alright alright. Let's get this straight. If yall really think people won't do research, then there's a massive issue here

[craggy bane]

This show will put people off wanting to try playing Halo

[wise onyx]

Imagine people playing the game for the first time expecting Kwan to show up 🤣🤣

[fair shard]

And then they will play, do research and realize the game is so much better.

[craggy bane]

Or Keys to be Black 😂

[nimble cobalt]

There’s always a uptick when movies release based on a book, people wanna read the book or see the changes they made from the book they might even hear from discussions that the book was better, definitely happen when David Lynch made Dune

[craggy bane]

They won't though if the show was written well and respected the lore and characters then it would

[fair shard]

Hunger games, twighlight, Harry Potter as well

[wise onyx]

I agree honestly

The Keyes character isn’t that bad

[fair shard]

Your missing the point here. They want people on the games to get the community to grow. Your acting like it takes decades to research this stuff

[wise onyx]

He does play the role well

[craggy bane]

Nothing against the actor personally I'm sure and heard he's a good actor but it isn't Keys

[craggy bane]

Well this show isn't the way to do that

[wise onyx]

Gotta admit, when he confronted Ackerson, it was a somewhat cool scene

[nimble cobalt]

Actually, I just played a game called the invincible which is based off a book and the game is actually prequel to the book and I’m just starting reading it which is awesome because the game was really really good.

[fair shard]

The show is Litterally made to grab people's attention and be like "We arnt cannon but you can totally learn the real events!"

My 5 year old watched the first season and started listening to lore on halo. Now he's sitting here watching it and saying "that's not right but that's so cool"

[nimble cobalt]

Yeah, this keys is for this silver timeline story, which again is a little different from the halo canon,

[craggy bane]

If the show was good people would be invested in it (New fans) and want more so they go play the games.

But because it's bad people will drop it and forget about it (the new fans they want)

[nimble cobalt]

Hell yeah, his attitude to Ackerson was definitely Keyes’s

[craggy bane]

Still not Keys

Silver Timeline or not

[wise onyx]

That scene was one of the GOOD scenes, like you can actually tell one of the writers actually tried there but then after that eh

[nimble cobalt]

He is for the timeline

[fair shard]

There's a difference between us, the followers of halo.

And some greedy dude in 343 saying "Yea just roll with it. I want more money from people."

[craggy bane]

Just because his name is keys doesn't make him keys

[nimble cobalt]

His attitude this episode definitely was Keyes

[fair shard]

Dude, arguing with her is like arguing with a brick wall at this point. Let her be mad, stay mad

[wise onyx]

They really have to stop treating the show as a teen dystopian novel film

[fair shard]

Preach it bro

[craggy bane]

Yes there isn't but that doesn't mean anything to my argument the more you talk the more of a Berk you make yourself look like.

[wise onyx]

The speech to his marines was another good scene I actually liked that one

[craggy bane]

I think u need to reply Halo Reach and CE

If u think that

[fair shard]

https://tenor.com/view/salt-a-way-of-life-salty-gif-16108395

[wise onyx]

But then came the intentionally funny scene where the jackals surrounded him and the marines at the door were standing there like they forgot what they were supposed to do 🤣🤣

[fair shard]

Would you shoot an admiral on camreas?

[nimble cobalt]

Funny enough, I’m playing the whole halo series and reading the books chronological order

[craggy bane]

They could have renamed the character then and made an Original character

[wise onyx]

I’m just saying, they could’ve atleast have been pointing their guns

Instead of just standing there just staring

[nimble cobalt]

Just finished reach the game now I’m gonna read fall of reach then first contact and then halo CE

[fair shard]

Alright I'll give you that

[west pike]

Can yall give it up already. There's no ground being covered here and you're drowning out legitimate talk about the show

[craggy bane]

Well one problem is because in modern media can't depict strong men anymore

[nimble cobalt]

WTH lol

[craggy bane]

Do it again you clearly didn't take the story and characters in

[fair shard]

Oh no she's got a point there. Strong men = bad

[craggy bane]

No it's true look at Cheif in the show he's a cry baby feeling teenager

[worn blade]

Master cheeks

[nimble cobalt]

Cause at that point, they never felt emotions they took out the emotions pellet out

[wise onyx]

Their gonna make Kwan the next master chief

[worn blade]

HAAAH

[craggy bane]

And compare him to Real Cheif and other Heroic characters like Aragon or Luke Skywalker in the OT etc

[worn blade]

THAT'S NOT EVEN HOW THE REAL 2 AUGMENTS WORKEED

[craggy bane]

Jimmy Rings

[worn blade]

Jahn haylo

[craggy bane]

What was a stupid change in lore and unnecessary

In Canon Cheif never had them and knew he was kidnapped but knew from now on his goal is to protect humanity even if it killed him

[wise onyx]

Orbit Tar

[craggy bane]

Oh god 😂

[bitter ginkgo]

Don’t forget luck

[buoyant lava]

Keys shouted at a marine running away from the flood, he would not have sacrificed himself for 10 civilians.

[worn blade]

Aight so, in the REAL lore, some BS pellet wasn't what made spartan IIs so emotionless, it was because they were trained from the age of 7 to be literal combat hardware with flesh, and when the augmentations came, even that was weaponised, the only thing that the augments had to do with dulling emotions was the chemicals that removed their se><ual drive

[craggy bane]

Maybe he would but surely someone would say "No you're too important sir"

[subtle crystal]

Yo nerds
Stop with the lore stuff, the show has nothing to do with it

[buoyant lava]

???

[craggy bane]

Why it's a bad show

[worn blade]

😤

[wise onyx]

I just watch the show to see where it goes tbh

[subtle crystal]

I don't really care if that's what you think, just let folks talk peacefully about the actual show

[craggy bane]

Well good for u

[worn blade]

In the games master chief does clearly have feelings, it's just he supresses them because weapons aren't meant to have feelings, they're meant to shoot, kill stuff

[subtle crystal]

Thanks!

[worn blade]

They also ruined Chief and cortana's entire dynamic

[craggy bane]

Feelings are fine but in the show he's a cry baby

[worn blade]

E><actly

Man, halo 4 is too underrated

[buoyant lava]

We were talking peacefully when a random dude asked us to shut it because we were talking about Halo in Halo’s Discord

What a clown

[nimble cobalt]

Trust me, halo four is my favorite story, except for the didact. But again in this timeline, they used pellets to suppress their emotions now they don’t have that they don’t know how to respond to those feelings

[subtle crystal]

Talk about halo all you want, just remember the show isn't canon or includes the lore from the games/books on purpose

[worn blade]

Sure it's story was a bit messy in some parts and the changes 343 made were a bit jarring but it's story was actually pretty good when you ignore the messy parts

[subtle crystal]

What bad writing?

[worn blade]

No matter how much anybody justifies it, I still absolutely hate the abusive childhood trauma amnesia that was the Spartan II discovery subplot

[buoyant lava]

Are you for real

[nimble cobalt]

I feel like they should’ve elaborate on that, and shown flashbacks of their training as well, and it augmentation to really hammer in what they had gone through as children

[subtle crystal]

Nah, I'm a hologram

[worn blade]

The whole forerunner reinvention

[bitter ginkgo]

Chief was kidnapped as a child and had his skeleton enhanced to wear a track suit 😭

[subtle crystal]

Ok
Where's the bad writing part

[worn blade]

Made them look like the most pretentious and selfish bellends ever

[buoyant lava]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-trap-meme-gif-8125029

[subtle crystal]

I'll be honest with you, until now every time I asked someone to back up their claims about parts of the show being "boring" or having "bad writing" they either said it's boring for them personally, or just completely tried to stoop away from the conversation

[bitter ginkgo]

Not even watched a play through

[worn blade]

I'm going to be honest, watching the show only reminded me of mass effect if it had a halo skin pack

[bitter ginkgo]

Watching it makes me think Goblin Slayer is a better Master Chief type character

[buoyant lava]

Because it would be extremely long, but if you don’t see what I’m talking about « bad writing » in this show regarding Kwan Ha, Soren, Space Pirates or Makee, it’s not worth it.

[subtle crystal]

I have the time 🙂

[spring viper]

Don't worry about it they are trying to Bait people into arguing they tried to do that with me last night didn't work out for them and they don't know what's classed as bad writing they are clowns themselves in all honesty

[worn blade]

oooooh makee, My my my

[buoyant lava]

good, I don’t

[bitter ginkgo]

There’s already a whole franchise around rebel space wizards

[worn blade]

I could talk hours

About how they messed up, by adding makee

But I won't

[buoyant lava]

I could talk hours but not in english in a discord chat with random acting like bots

[worn blade]

Because it's a waste of time

[subtle crystal]

Which is why you're exactly like the other 10-11 folks, pretty much what I expected

[buoyant lava]

k cowboy

[subtle crystal]

Generic halo "fans" being generic halo "fans", nothing's out of the ordinary here

[spring viper]

People like Dusk is why Majority of the TV shows fail lol

[worn blade]

Pfft, you're making the mistake that halo fans even consider that show halo

[bitter ginkgo]

In name alone

[worn blade]

I surely don't

I just call it mass effect circle edition

[subtle crystal]

I'm a halo fan
I consider it a good show
Something tells me that's bothering you

[buoyant lava]

lmao

[worn blade]

Good for you, I don't really care

[subtle crystal]

You def cared enough to comment to me until now?

[worn blade]

The thing is you want a reason as to why someone disagrees with you

The truth is it doesn't matter

[subtle crystal]

...so you're just disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing?

[worn blade]

No, I'm disagreeing with you because I think it's a bad halo show and bad show in general

Doesn't mean I'm trying to convince you

Believe whatever you want, idc

[subtle crystal]

This is kinda why the halo community is being mocked outside of this bubble, a bunch of folks that try to laugh at whoever doesn't agree with their sacred timeline but never able to explain why

[worn blade]

Shuut uuup, you're making me all flusterrrred

Anyways

[subtle crystal]

Are you sure you don't care about my opinion?

[buoyant lava]

No one cares

[subtle crystal]

Usually when I don't care I just don't reply, dunno about you

[worn blade]

You call yourself a halo fan and yet... you reffer to the community as though you have nothing to do with it

If so... why are you here

[toxic warren]

Let's move on from this please

[worn blade]

This IS the community, or at least a fraction of it

[toxic warren]

And a reminder to keep all spoiler and plot point related discussion to #halo-the-series-spoiler-chat please

[bitter ginkgo]

There’s tens of us

[toxic warren]

Not everyone has seen the episodes yet

[subtle crystal]

You can actually like something but also actively avoid recognizing yourself with the community around that to also avoid being tacked with the stereotypes surrounding it

[worn blade]

And not all of them hold the same opinions we do, or you have, because they don't need to

They just want to enjoy halo the way they want to, the way that feels right for them

[subtle crystal]

Then why are you against me enjoying Halo in the form of that show?

[buoyant lava]

We were enjoying talking about the show

And you came

[subtle crystal]

You were saying the show is bad because it's not true to the lore, it was never trying to match the lore

[worn blade]

And these fans, they love halo, the lore, the entire world if it, and they finally after so long get to see it on the big screen and it is so different from what they imagine, do you e><pect all of them to be happy? enjoy it as if it was halo when it's so vastly different?

[subtle crystal]

If you're not gonna view it for what it is what's even the point?

[buoyant lava]

No, I was saying that it’s bad AND worse than the canon lore

🤷‍♂️

Not BAD BECAUSE DIFFERENT

[subtle crystal]

If you disliked the show AND the canon lore what do you like💀

[bitter ginkgo]

Over a decade for it to not mean anything, the cowardice

[worn blade]

I'm not, I'm just stating MY opinion, I already told you, believe whatever you want, enjoy what you want

[nimble cobalt]

But we are fans of the show wanna talk about the show even if you dislike it but you continue to say how bad it is when we’re just trying to have a conversation about the show

[worn blade]

But that doesn't mean I have to keep quiet about what I think of it

[subtle crystal]

Than I misunderstood you specifically, I apologize than

I still think the show isn't as bad as you're presenting it, but I never expected everyone to like it

[worn blade]

And it doesn't mean I have to e><plain why to you

[buoyant lava]

Oh sorry, my opinion isn’t allowed here if it’s not positive ?

[subtle crystal]

Also.. this, pretty much
This space was intended to speak about the episodes, not whether the show itself is bad or not

[worn blade]

So, I spent too long on this and will not proceed to have dinner

[subtle crystal]

*constructive

Check the pins

[buoyant lava]

You clown

Read my messages

I was more than constructive

[subtle crystal]

Try to act like you're not 10 years old and say one sentence without trying to insult me like a kid

[nimble cobalt]

Hi, as I found a huge fan of halo, know this is isn’t part of the halo canon that is separate from Canon just like the MCU I as an adult know it’s different and I will enjoy the show as it is

[subtle crystal]

You directly refused to explain to me why you think the show has bad writing lol

[buoyant lava]

Again, use your brain and read my older messages

[buoyant lava]

While explaining you why

Don’t act like a child

[subtle crystal]

I mean, I asked why do you think like that
You said you're not gonna do it (explain)
So...

[bitter ginkgo]

A strike is a strike, D4 bad, people should be able to call it how it is without defending themselves

[buoyant lava]

You act like I said that the show was bad BECAUSE it was different than books and games, while I explained why it’s worse than books and games.

I was arguing peacefully

[subtle crystal]

I act like nothing because you haven't explained to me your stance, you were kinda defensive (and a bit condescending) from the start

Are you willing to explain to me shortly why do you think the show is written badly?

[silent fable]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-blob-gif-23105869

[buoyant lava]

I have already partially answered your question by pointing out some characters who are, if I read the majority of opinions here or elsewhere, characters who do not bring anything to the story and who are not the subject of any interesting development, such as Kwan Ha or Soren for example.

Once again, I have neither the desire nor the time to explain to you why I consider the writing of this show bad, I enjoyed talking about why this episode showed an important character in the Halo universe, rewritten in a way that did not seem better to me, quite the contrary.

And I’m going to stop talking because I don’t want to continue the conversation with someone who explicitly asked me to shut up while I was happy to talk about topics directly related to this Channel by calling me a nerd because I quoted three references from a universe he does not know, obviously.

Have a good night

[worn blade]

Aight lets take an e><ample from the 1st episode then, Master cheeks touches the mass effect vision thingy, he acts all strangely, that's Ok? i guess? but then ONI tells him to kill this girl who could be turned into a vital ONI asset against the innie theat, but because she's a bit sassy against the UNSC, they decide 'screw it, just shoot her mr jahn halo.' Instead of having him take her to ONI and have them do their black ops torture and reeducation stuff they deffinately do and have her do stuff, and if he shut shot her, what was he gonna do with the body, throw it into space?

[subtle crystal]

Since the show isn't over yet and the story isn't complete, isn't it too early to claim characters or events aren't completing and complementing to the "main storyline"?
Putting aside for a sec how side plots can be useful on their own to provide another POV to certain events, happenings or just help with the world building and setting the atmosphere

And again, I remind you that while characters and locations are being used in the show, the show was/is intentionally being different from how it goes in the book or the games; as such I suggest treating it like a thing of its own (and if you still don't like it, it's completely fine). btw at no point I was telling you to "shut up", do not put words in my mouth please and have a good night as well 🙂

[subtle crystal]

ONI told Chief to kill Kwan not just because she was uncooperative, it was because she was actively threatening to expose them and their propaganda

[silent fable]

I agree with that when writing a series you need to build the world up first before everything happens

[subtle crystal]

Well, he still is a high ranked enemy unit that killed many other civilians and marines, and he's a Spartan
Would you say it's more in his behavior to let the Elite go away freely?

[abstract widget]

as a casual viewer season 2 is so much better written & enjoyable so far imo

[toxic warren]

#halo-the-series-spoiler-chat please

[subtle crystal]

Right, sorry

[verbal fox]

If they wanted a thing of their own, they shouldn't have called it Halo. Neill Blomkamp did that.

And by all accounts, District 9 was a great film.

[silent fable]

I was so upset that they never finished that halo movie

[woven zenith]

Based and red pilled

Dumpster fire is what it was

Watched s1, not watching s2 even if they start sticking to canon

[toxic warren]

Keep it constructive please

[woven zenith]

Well, no relation to the actual source material is the biggest no for me

And the fact that the chief takes off his helmet every 10 seconds

It's never on

They gave a reason, stating that it was to show the chief's emotions

Chief in games barely spoke, never showed his face, and showed more emotions than the series could

[stoic jetty]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 😭

is all I'll say

[woven zenith]

I'm new here, so dunno the general consensus of halo fans

But i doubt most of us like it for aforementioned reasons

Been playing mcc since 2020

Best game series i've ever played

[stoic jetty]

One of the show's primary reasons for existence and development for over a decade is that The Halo Fans broaden significantly beyond the The Halo Games Fans. And the majority consensus of today's Halo Fans, which now include fans of the show has been positive per reviews, engagement, and the fact that they saw the metrics and feedback and felt it worth it to invest millions of dollars into Season 2.

[woven zenith]

It's not Halo man

[stoic jetty]

It is now.

[woven zenith]

It's something else

Like, not even canon

[idle pawn]

It is Halo, that's like saying MCU isn't Marvel, it's a different medium.

[stoic jetty]

Exactly, they explicitly said it's inspired by canon, not canon itself. It's a retelling. That's what literature is. Halo franchise runners have explicitly said for a long time that they have been actively trying to build Halo as a universe, not just the games.

The games are not the Halo gate anymore.

[woven zenith]

Not a great analogy. Mcu and marvel exist cuz multiverse theory which marvel thrives off of

[woven zenith]

Yeah they didn't play the games and didn't read the books

[subtle crystal]

Ah, I see some people still intend on deciding what's halo is and isn't

[unreal pebble]

I mean, it's literally the exact same thing, so it's a perfect analogy.

[stoic jetty]

That's directly false: 343 itself is involved in all of the creative on the show.

[unreal pebble]

Like, you literally cannot come up with a better analogy because it's literally directly stating two franchises are doing the literal exact same thing.

[toxic warren]

They did

[woven zenith]

I literally saw an interview where the show writers said they did not play the game

Cuz they wanted to make something different

Which included a broader audience

Basically CoD-ing entire halo

[stoic jetty]

You used to be part of the group that Knew Most of Halo because you played the games and read the books. Now Halo includes the show, so if you haven't seen the show, you no longer know Most of Halo. If you love Halo, you'll want to know more. If you love your position of superiority, then you'll try to say that things outside of what you know are not relevant.

[toxic warren]

https://twitter.com/mrstevenkane/status/1506421683841757189

Steven Kane (@mrstevenkane) on X

@Variety Headlines are fun, but here’s what I really said: To make the Halo TV series, we started from the game, and then we made the pilgrimage to 343 to study the entire canon, so that we could bring you the FULL Halo experience! #HaloTheSeries

Twitter · Mar 23, 2022, 12:04 AM

[subtle crystal]

Let's assume they haven't played the games
What's so bad about doing this?

Sometimes it's like halo fans don't want other people to become halo fans as well

[woven zenith]

I saw s1. Didn't like it. Helmets always off. Chief sleeps with a prisoner of war. What is going on? No idea.

[unreal pebble]

Sometimes?

[subtle crystal]

I'm being generous

[woven zenith]

The halo someone is a fan of after watching the show is not the halo i was a fan of

[stoic jetty]

If your powers of observation and analysis are that poor, then your opinion isn't to be taken seriously either. Thanks for helping us close the book on this.

[subtle crystal]

Thank God you're not the authority on what's halo and what's not then

[woven zenith]

Thank god no one is and halo died for me after the games

[unreal pebble]

I mean, they're larping as Noble Six. Clearly that means they're superior to you in this regard.

[subtle crystal]

Then what are you doing in this specific channel?

[woven zenith]

Of course 🙂

[stoic jetty]

I guess that's what passes for fun in their cave lol

[woven zenith]

Lfg

[unreal pebble]

But you don't play Halo.

[subtle crystal]

Wrong channel then

[unreal pebble]

#halo-the-series-spoiler-chat

[subtle crystal]

#halo-the-series-spoiler-chat

[woven zenith]

Stumbled into the series chat to see what everyone thinks of it

[toxic warren]

Seriously, no spoilers here please

[subtle crystal]

"Stumbled"

[maiden urchin]

bro this is the chat wdym spoilers

[unreal pebble]

If so, that's sad.

[stoic jetty]

#halo-the-series-spoiler-chat

[toxic warren]

We have a dedicated spoiler chat for a reason

[maiden urchin]

i can see i aint blind

[woven zenith]

I mean, yeah. I watched a lotta videos by halo fans on yt calling out on the show. I wanted to know if everyone else feels the same.

[toxic warren]

The channel topic specifically states spoiler free

Not everyone has seen the new season yet

[unreal pebble]

And then you seemingly got mad when people didn't. Curious.

Very curious...

[woven zenith]

I... Didn't get mad?

You're allowed to have your opinions

I'm allowed to have mine

You enjoy the show, go for it buddy

[stoic jetty]

And we're allowed to have our opinions about your opinions, which we stated. So you're happy that we got to tell you what we thought of you. Everyone wins!

[woven zenith]

And I'm allowed to have an opinion on that!

God i love democracy and free speech

But the bot kicked me from saying this from the other halo server so

Not so free is it

[subtle crystal]

Ah, the YouTube bubble.
A clusterbomb on its own
Btw for "knowing if others are feeling the same" you could've just skimmed through the comments without going on a rant about how the IP is dead for you

[stoic jetty]

You are! You're just not entitled to our respect. As long as we all recognize that, it's all good and carry on.

[woven zenith]

The comments were pretty affirmative of what they spoke of

And besides, i watched the show and didn't like it

Not because youtube told me not to like it

[subtle crystal]

And after you expressed your opinion, your opinion was also expressed upon

That's the beauty of speaking in an open forum

[woven zenith]

Yes, respect of all 8 billion people on this planet is very important to me. 1 less and I don't sleep /s

[woven zenith]

Yea, still opinions tho

Still waiting for the Deliver hope trailer to have it's own Reach series

And gonna wait a long time, so it seems.

[subtle crystal]

As long as you understand the concept, cool

[placid sundial]

Season 2 > Season 1

However

I wont stand by this opinion concretely until the season has fully aired

Unlike some YouTubers *cough * act man making a video after three eps

[unreal pebble]

... Why even bother to care what Act Man thinks?

[subtle crystal]

The act man is a fraud, period

[subtle crystal]

This is Halo, just a version of it where it happened

[forest fable]

No sir I disagree, in Halo, Keys makes it to Halo, and gets absorbed by the flood

Have you played halo?

[subtle crystal]

Ok, and in this halo, Keyes does something else I won't elaborate on because spoilers

And no, just Infinite

[forest fable]

Really? I just watched it, I wouldnt know, please tell me more of what I just watched because clearly I did not watch it

I agree

[subtle crystal]

Oh yay another one of these types

[forest fable]

Good night dusk, your time is up, dawn is here

[subtle crystal]

You're not even trying to be a good troll bud

[forest fable]

Yes, I look forward to the next halo series that will get it right

[forest fable]

Im not, i just don't want to talk to you anymore! Bye!

[toxic warren]

#halo-the-series-spoiler-chat for plot points please

not here

[cosmic patio]

Oop

[subtle crystal]

Then don't?

[cosmic patio]

My bad

[forest fable]

Bye!

[subtle crystal]

Bye!

[lusty pasture]

Lol

[west pike]

It's always sad to see dusk in here :/ nothing productive ever happens

[forest fable]

Thank god I am not alone in thinking this

[subtle crystal]

Sadly for you, you'll have to see my presence a lot

Get used to it 🤷‍♂️

[toxic warren]

We don't need to be antagonizing each other here. Just keep chat to non-spoiler TV show stuff

[buoyant lava]

We will never agree on the qualities and shortcomings of this TV show. As a long-time fan, who dreamed of seeing a real beautiful adaptation that puts everyone in agreement, it sincerely saddens me.

😞

[subtle crystal]

If it helps, I'm genuinely and sincerely hope someday you'll get something you'll be satisfied with

[toxic warren]

What did I literally just say

[subtle crystal]

(Unfortunately, I'll probably be here anyway 😂 )

[buoyant lava]

You just destroyed the opportunity to gather the community around a common enemy 😡

Missed opportunity

[subtle crystal]

Wait, I'm even worse than the shop pricing in Infinite? Respect

[toxic warren]

Sabri, stop

Knock it off

[bitter ginkgo]

We should just have spoiler chat

[toxic warren]

Dusk, you too

[subtle crystal]

I'm just playing around the joke, I'm not finding it offensive much lol
But sure, sure

[buoyant lava]

Did you discover Halo with Infinite ?

Or the show ?

Genuine question

[toxic warren]

Don't, you're not helping

[subtle crystal]

I always knew about halo as a franchise but the show and Infinite were my entry point, I also tried MCC but it feels too "old" and outdated for me after Infinite (which I genuinely enjoy)

It's not that I don't respect the "old and traditional", obviously
I just like the thought there's more to it than the Bungie games and an updated pov could bring more people as it brought me onboard

[tawdry kestrel]

Is anyone getting tired of the excuse tv show haters have saying "he doesn't have his helmet or armor on" constantly.

[bitter ginkgo]

Nope can’t get enough

[buoyant lava]

The lack of armor IS a problem imo, but far from the main one, so yeah.

[subtle crystal]

Kinda, but I couldn't get an actual answer for why it's so important for him to have that helmet on all the time no matter how many times I asked

[unreal pebble]

Clearly, you just want it to explode and die, silly.

[subtle crystal]

I do kinda want it to explode😛
But in a good way I guess?

[buoyant lava]

And why do you care about the show ? If the « updated pov » is nothing like what you’ll discover if you find yourself liking it ?

Not trying to set a trap, just curious

[subtle crystal]

I care about the show because I like it, I find it interesting

If it wasn't interesting I just... Would've stopped watching it, I guess

Perhaps my view on it is positive because I come from with a blank state and a fresh perspective

There was someone here who told about how the show made his wife become interested with the whole franchise, read the books, play the games, etc

[unreal pebble]

I mean, having a response of "If I don't like something, I just won't do it" instead of just going on and on about hating something is legitimately a more mature outlook on the situation.

[buoyant lava]

And with your fresh perspective, nothing is wrong with the show ?

[unreal pebble]

It's better than a lot of people here.

[subtle crystal]

You'd think like that, huh?

[tawdry kestrel]

Plus didn't they mention before season 1's release that it would be in a separate timeline.

[unreal pebble]

Yes, it was one of the first things mentioned about the show.

[subtle crystal]

Some stuff are not to my liking particularly, but not to the "it's plainly wrong" level
Which again, could be affected by how I have no expectations due to zero previous experience

[tawdry kestrel]

This may sound odd but I've been a halo fan since I was 4 and CE was the first video game i played, and i still like the halovtv show

[subtle crystal]

There's cool looking suits, cool action, cool characters, what's not to like?

[unreal pebble]

Honestly, early Halo games left my expectations dirt-low in regards to Halo storylines, which is kind of funny.

[subtle crystal]

Not odd at all, you're free to like all adaptions and versions.
It's odd to think one has to choose one over the other

[tawdry kestrel]

Honestly im surprised some very vocal fans hate the show. Like come on, be happy there is a halo tv show at least. I remember they did something similar to the Halo forward onto dawn movie and now look at them, they supposedly like it now

[toxic warren]

Playing since 2001 and I've been loving the show. Not always about how long you've been playing for, or what game was your first :)

[buoyant lava]

I have so many questions

[bitter ginkgo]

I’ve been playing since CE, spent my teens playing 2, I find it so blasphemous

[subtle crystal]

It's ok to not like in the show or not like parts of it, but I think some people miss how studios respond to feedback
If you're gonna have a big crowd just saying "this bad and this sucks" with no actual constructive thoughts the only thing they'll think is " well, these people don't want anything with halo probably" and there goes your chances to another live action halo adaption for the next 10 years

[unreal pebble]

See, that's one of the important takeaways. Honestly, the biggest thing I dislike the Halo show for is how annoying it is to have it shoved in my face as an example of 'bad adaptations' whenever I point out wanting a TV show of your favorite franchise is a monkey's paw.

[subtle crystal]

If they're pointed to me (and as long the conversation can stay respectful from both sides as it is now) I'll be happy to reply

[unreal pebble]

Because before the Halo show, people usually got it, now people go "Well we can't do worse than the Halo show lmao"

And it just kinda makes reminds me that Halo got shunted into the position of being a convenient punching bag for any subject, regardless of whether or not it deserves it.

(Hint; It really, really doesn't deserve it)

[subtle crystal]

I second this

Especially because the show objectively does lots of things right

Not just right, nailing them even

[buoyant lava]

Can I have some exemples ?

[subtle crystal]

Sure!

[unreal pebble]

I'm gonna use the No True Scotsman fallacy on anyone who thinks it deserves it.

[bitter ginkgo]

Does it? When there’s so many layups like just doing cool stuff in armor or fighting the covenant

[umbral granite]

Halo is usually mentioned first at any sign of a “AAA games suck” comment, and although the comment may be correct halo is hardly the first example that comes to mind

Ubisoft cough

[buoyant lava]

Deserved imo

[tawdry kestrel]

Could you explain this

[unreal pebble]

"You aren't a true Halo fan if {insert arbitrary reason here}"

[tawdry kestrel]

That's a dumb excuse

[subtle crystal]

The practical suits look great, design is top notch to the small level details.
Casting of almost every character is perfect (putting Kwan aside for now because she's a controversial character although I believe the actress is doing the best she can with what was given to her) and the chemistry between them is felt
When there's action, the action scenes and sessions look great, well organized and well choreographed
The CGI and special effects also look very good imo, especially the elites
The show does a good job imo introducing the world and some of the lore slowly to newcomers instead of dumping lots of info or just expecting people to come prepared ahead

[unreal pebble]

I mean, I'm joking, but a lot of people, even here, say crap like that constantly.

[subtle crystal]

That's just gatekeeping and that sucks to do in general

[subtle crystal]

And yeah, there are many people here who do that.
Often enough it's tied to the show in the way that "if you enjoy the show, you're not a true fan"

[unreal pebble]

I mean, yeah, but I like Scottish things.

[tawdry kestrel]

I bet in a few years those same haters will go "maybe I was too harsh on the show" after it abruptly ends

Sort of like how star wars fans acted with the prequels

[unreal pebble]

Or Star Wars Rebels.

[bitter ginkgo]

Faster it ends the faster we can get something proper

[umbral granite]

Like 2, 3, reach, 4 and 5?

[subtle crystal]

Man how did people hate rebels?

[unreal pebble]

It'll take a loooong time before people like me actually get people to properly understand 5's story.

[tawdry kestrel]

I mean episode 1,2,3 of the star wars movies

[umbral granite]

Oh no I knew what you meant, just bringing up how people have grown softer on halo since… well anything other than CE

[buoyant lava]

The practical suits look great, design is top notch to the small level details.
Agree

Casting of almost every character is perfect (putting Kwan aside for now because she's a controversial character although I believe the actress is doing the best she can with what was given to her) and the chemistry between them is felt
Putting some missed opportunities aside, agree

When there's action, the action scenes and sessions look great, well organized and well choreographed
Season 01, no, Season 02 ok so far

The CGI and special effects also look very good imo, especially the elites
Hard disagree (how?)

The show does a good job imo introducing the world and some of the lore slowly to newcomers instead of dumping lots of info or just expecting people to come prepared ahead
Agree but there are too many differences with what I expected

[buoyant lava]

Well, to be fair, you’re not a Halo fan at all

[unreal pebble]

On what grounds.

[subtle crystal]

Well, season 1 kinda lacked at action to support the drama side, I believe that's part of why they replaced the writers

[subtle crystal]

I like the game and I like the show, how come I'm not a fan?

[unreal pebble]

... I mean, technically, I wouldn't call myself a Halo fan, because from my perspective, being a Halo fan actually means hating the everloving hell out of the franchise outside of an obscenely narrow band that just plainly bores the hell out of me.

Despite the fact I've enjoyed most of the games and read most of the books as a priority read.

[nimble cobalt]

How I feel about it again I’ve read the books. I played all the games with the new change to this timeline. I don’t know what’s coming next it’s fresh for me, I experienced and read the books. I know the main halo canon storyline this is different. This is something new but again something the same the overall halo core is there just different branches

[subtle crystal]

"nobody hates X more than X fans"

[buoyant lava]

You played one game out of ~10 and you’re watching a controversial show

[unreal pebble]

They like it, wanna call themselves a fan. Let em.

[toxic warren]

You don't get to decide who is a fan and who isn't

[unreal pebble]

That's more than enough.

[subtle crystal]

If you're aware the show is supposed to be something else, that's great
Problem is lots of people forget to do that separation

[subtle crystal]

Ok, and?
Still halo content, right? And I like it, pretty sure it means I'm a fan

[buoyant lava]

You can’t call yourself a tennis fan if you’ve watched like 3 matches in your life bro

[toxic warren]

We're not doing this here

So drop it

[buoyant lava]

Non-canon content

[subtle crystal]

I can call myself a tennis fan even if I wasn't watching tennis matches at all and just playing it

[buoyant lava]

Enjoy it, no problem

[buoyant lava]

lol ok

[nimble cobalt]

I doubt if the end it now that they’ll try again it’s gonna take a couple years maybe even a decade before they try again, and on honestly the halo series should’ve happened long time ago. The halo franchise as a whole has fallen down on popularity

[subtle crystal]

Are you watching the MCU movies?

[tawdry kestrel]

Isn't that what a fan is

[unreal pebble]

Yes.

[subtle crystal]

Yep, pretty sure

[buoyant lava]

Nah, I play Halo

[subtle crystal]

I know, I'm asking that to provide an example
DC movies maybe?

[bitter ginkgo]

What’s another decade, if I can get something decent. Better than settling for a namesake

[tawdry kestrel]

I can do something similar. I played the witcher games but haven't read the books. I'm still witchery fan

[nimble cobalt]

Then wait a decade while the people who, like the show can watch it now

[bitter ginkgo]

I just hope it ends season 2

[subtle crystal]

I can give 100 more examples, all you need to do is switch the fandom example and ask if the person if they read every story, watched every movie/show, played every game and collected every figure and if they say "no", you tell them they're not a true fan by their own definition

[nimble cobalt]

Good thing it’s not your choice. It’s up to the executives and Studios and they’re gonna look based on the numbers. If the numbers are good they’ll continue the show numbers are bad they’re gonna stop.

[subtle crystal]

why? You're aware they're not gonna just start immediately work on another adaption once this one ends, right?

If anything, future adaptions depend on the success of this one

[buoyant lava]

Dude, I don’t need examples, I’m just telling you, respectfully, that I would be delighted if Halo became a license became more and more popular, to have even more people to play and exchange with, to see the fanbase grow, but to see you proclaim yourself a « Halo fan » after playing a poorly finished game and after watching a series that assumes its timeline that is worthless (since it does not impact and will not impact games or books), sorry but it pisses me off.

[bitter ginkgo]

I’d rather having nothing at all then something that doesn’t mean anything

[buoyant lava]

I don’t want to argue for hours when we just don’t have the same references.

[nimble cobalt]

But that’s the opposite of what you want for a community. If this is his first exposure to it, then show him the other good halo games and books, so the community can grow why you getting on people for liking a show when you can show him the great stories of halo lore

[nimble cobalt]

Be like, if you like the show, then you’re gonna really like this the games cause they have a better story. Let me start you off with halo reach first then halo ce

[subtle crystal]

Than respectfully, you're gonna have to understand nothing of that depends on you or is affected by whatever you're defining "a true fan"

The sooner you'll accept that, the better you'll feel (and I'm talking from experience)
Eventually we both have a shared interest seeing this franchise growing bigger and getting better and better, why shouldn't we just focus on that and why can't you focus on how something you like becomes more popular (this growing the chances more products will be made)?

[buoyant lava]

Again, I don’t consider you « not a real fan », I tell you that you do NOT know Halo, accept it, it’s just a fact, that’s ok

[nimble cobalt]

In that mentality he saying you’re not a true fan is so dumb. I had to deal with that in the metal scene.

[buoyant lava]

I’m NOT saying that ffs

[subtle crystal]

While it deeply hurts me that you, a person who I never knew about and never will know personally, do not accept me as a halo fan, I believe I will recover somehow

[buoyant lava]

You don’t understand anything I’m trying to tell you

I’m not talking to you about my personal opinion

[subtle crystal]

I am however sorry to see you'd rather focus on alienating other people with the same interest instead of accepting them and suggesting they'll explore the rest this franchise has to offer

[buoyant lava]

THIS. we do NOT share the same interests.

I care about Halo, it’s lore, it’s story, it’s games

[nimble cobalt]

@subtle crystal anyways dusk if you haven’t played any halo games or books, start will the book fall of reach. Sooo good they jump in Halo CE, I’m sure you can find a website for the chronological order of how to play it, but halo reached the book is a solid start

[subtle crystal]

Why not? You're not wishing for Halo to become bigger and better?

[subtle crystal]

Not a big book reader but I'll seek out an e-book copy and I might start reading a bit, thank you

[nimble cobalt]

The audiobook was solid, too

[subtle crystal]

I'll probably have more luck trying to focus on reading lol

[buoyant lava]

Not bigger if it means getting worse, and producing a TV series that does not respect the established lore while the changes made completely shake up what makes the identity of the license, it is becoming worse, yes.

[subtle crystal]

I was talking about "bigger" generally, not just more tv content

[nimble cobalt]

You’re always gonna get that with adaptations they’re going to make big changes and lil changes, look at ring of power, game of thrones, even last of us

[subtle crystal]

Yep, changes and updates are necessary for the sake of keeping stuff fresh

[unreal pebble]

You could also just temper your expectations.

[subtle crystal]

Not only because things that worked 10 years ago might not work today

[buoyant lava]

If tomorrow they release « Masterchief Kart » on switch instead of focusing on a sequel worthy of the name, or an interesting spin-off, the community will get bigger, but I wouldn’t give a damn. I’m going to end up with 12-year-old kids who will proclaim themselves « Halo fan » because they finished 3 grand prix, how can we not blame 343 after that?

That’s how I feel bro

[subtle crystal]

Masterchief Kart would be Lowkey amazing and I'm not joking

[nimble cobalt]

Not only that there is nothing any of us can do here to make those changes or have this studios listen to us the only way is we stop watching together but again we are just one fraction of the general public who are watching the show And it could be a hit there could be millions of people watching this show and after again if the numbers are good they’re going to still continue with the show regardless of how much you hate it.

[subtle crystal]

Because one way or another you're gonna have to accept that a public IP can't and will not cater to your own personal preferences only

[unreal pebble]

"How can we not blame 343"

It's easy. You emulate the duck.

[buoyant lava]

Stop lending me this speech, I didn’t talk about preferences, I’m talking to you about logical things

[unreal pebble]

The humble, humble duck.

[subtle crystal]

It will do whatever necessary for itself to survive and thrive, like how the Infinite model was switched to f2p to successfully compete with the other rulling games in the market

[unreal pebble]

I mean, your perspective is inherently illogical.

[subtle crystal]

Since when it is logical to assume you're the authority on what's a fan and what's not?

[unreal pebble]

Literally for this exact reason, and it's one of the problems that has consistently held this franchise back from evolution.

[subtle crystal]

What if I'll decide you're not an actual fan because you haven't consumed the most recent addition to the franchise and I have?

[buoyant lava]

Again, controversial take among the established community. Even Ske7ch said that F2P was not something that everyone wanted

[subtle crystal]

Time will tell if that decision actually paid off, but it was necessary

[unreal pebble]

If I were a Halo fan, which I'm not, I'd consider anyone who is only a fan of the OT is not a fan of Halo.

[subtle crystal]

There's a difference between what's good for the players and what's good for the survival of the IP

[unreal pebble]

Or if they're only a fan of the Bungie games, same thing. You're a fan of pre-Destiny Bungie, not a fan of Halo.

[subtle crystal]

If the benefit of the players was the only thing that counts, you'd have the entire halo department closed by now due to lack of funding

[unreal pebble]

The limitations for these requirements go both ways and are largely arbitrary. Ultimately, it's up to the seat declaring, not the observer. It will never be up to the observer.

[nimble cobalt]

Exactly how I feel about the franchise especially when it came to halo five they completely dropped the storyline. I know it wasn’t a great storyline, but I would’ve really liked to finish it at least to see how it unfolded. I feel like 343 are listening to the community too many times, especially when he comes to the games, how many times they drop store lines they drop didact storyline so fast

[buoyant lava]

So you favor the survival of a license to its quality.

[tough robin]

Wouldn’t have minded a $60 price tag with Campaign and then customization similar to what Halo Reach’s was

[subtle crystal]

No, I favor the survival of an IP to make sure products will be released one way or another

[unreal pebble]

Well, quality measurably reduces to favor nostalgic currying in many situations, so.

[subtle crystal]

Of course you wouldn't, because that's what most beneficial to you

That's not necessarily what's gonna be able to compete with Fortnite, Apex legends, genshin Impact etc etc

[unreal pebble]

Personally, I think they problably should've made it more clear that 4 was more about Cortana than the Didact. The Didact plot was more a catalyst plot between 4 and 5, not the intended primary villain.

[subtle crystal]

And yes, today that survival heavily depending on the piles of kids with access to their parents's credit cards whether we like it or not

[nimble cobalt]

The studio is , again it’s their job in the end it’s always gonna be a job for them. That’s how they’re gonna make money. They’re gonna listen to the community and then community again is multiple millions of players talking about what they liked and don’t like in. They’re all not meshing well, some players like this, some players don’t like that some players like this and others like this they have to find a balance between all that and is differently hard for developer and studio

[unreal pebble]

Understanding that many moving parts is inherently a struggle.

[tough robin]

Look at games WITH $60 price tags and customization earned through gameplay, Elden Ring, Helldivers 2 could be used as examples

[nimble cobalt]

Halo 4 is my favorite story because of how human A made Cortana and master chief the didact store line could’ve been flesh out better. But I really hate when studios drop storylines not just 343.

[unreal pebble]

Speech to text moment?

[buoyant lava]

And that’s not my case. I can no longer see Halo like that to survive and continue to happen things at all costs when the license could have died out in legend. This is not the speech I gave 10 years ago, and each game of 343 led me to ask myself the question. This TV series is the drop too many.

[subtle crystal]

Lightning in a bottle cases, I can bring you 10 cases of failed games over every 1 case of a successful one

[buoyant lava]

And you’re ok with that

[unreal pebble]

I get what you're saying though. Didact's storyline maybe could've been fleshed out better, but on the other hand, N72H and Escalation were both supposed to be cinematic and gameworthy, and they tie 4 and 5 together with a neat little bow-explaining why Halsey's so eager to help the UNSC in 5 and explaining the mindset behind H5 Cortana's actions more thoroughly for those who may have missed it.

[nimble cobalt]

If that’s the case, you don’t have to watch the TV show you don’t have to play the next games you can just leave it at where you liked it and move on

[subtle crystal]

And I'm sorry to hear there, I know myself how it can be unsettling when you find yourself falling out from something you used to love for long time.

[tough robin]

Apex and Warzone took off because the BR genre in general sky rocketed around that time, Fortnite 2018, PUBG 2017 and earlier

[subtle crystal]

Do I have an actual choice? Does any of us have?

[unreal pebble]

"Halo Prostitute himself"

[subtle crystal]

I missed that hyperbole somehow

[buoyant lava]

No, obviously not, I’ve been a fan of Halo for 20 years, OBVIOUSLY I’m going to try to do everything to appreciate what’s coming out

[unreal pebble]

Honestly, if you're so far gone that this is your takeaway from the situation, I can't deign to believe you actually have anything resembling reasonable or constructive criticism..

It's a damn game franchise. It doesn't owe you a damn thing.

[subtle crystal]

Since I have to hand out that reminder again: halo as a franchise is a business.
Like all businesses, it must earn money efficiently to stay alive and provide the people behind it with opportunities to pump out more halo stuff
If it won't make adjustments, if won't make money, it won't stay alive, bye bye halo.

[subtle crystal]

Also... This.

[floral spoke]

who is being silly

[subtle crystal]

A business owes nothing to you and wants to eat your wallet alive and enslave your bank account to it, getting emotionally dependent on it is dangerous

[tough robin]

Kinda wish we had a ODST Helldivers game with the flood or covenant, like pre OT (Flood wouldn’t exist but Covenant would still be pretty cool)

[buoyant lava]

Businesses businesses business model IP franchises bigger community business f2p

Stop omg

[tough robin]

Honestly with the game it gives Halo’s firefight a bit more of an idea at what it could shoot for if redone in the future

[subtle crystal]

You still think this games existed to make you happy?

I stopped thinking like that when I was 14

[nimble cobalt]

Then, can you at least appreciate that this show is going to bring new people to the community and us as old halo fans to show them the awesome games and books there is. It’ll be really cool to play co-op with a new fan of halo on combat evolved to see them experience the whole halo saga from when it first started

[unreal pebble]

I mean, I'm sure similar ideas were pitched.

Though, admittedly, I don't think that Helldivers gameplay fits ODSTs in the slightest short of cursory visual observation.

[subtle crystal]

I think I've seen on Twitter something about 100 failed pitches, one of them surely was similar

[buoyant lava]

What do I have in common with a guy who enjoyed the Halo recipe book???

[unreal pebble]

Well, if you had any class, a love of cooking.

[nimble cobalt]

I just want another ODST game again. The franchise is dropped off on a lot of opportunities, another halo ODST, and halo wars would be awesome.

[tough robin]

Helldivers have the aesthetic of ODST but the feel and gameplay make them look like Spartans.

[subtle crystal]

There's a halo cooking book???

[tough robin]

Yup

[subtle crystal]

Oh my god

[floral spoke]

does the show have enough time for all the world building they are trying to do?

[unreal pebble]

Or maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't allow your insecurities about fandomship determine how you consider someone. Maybe you both have something to learn from eachother.

I, for one, greatly appreciated the cookbook.

[buoyant lava]

There is Reach city, on Reach

[subtle crystal]

I'm buying the hell of that book soon, thank you @buoyant lava

[buoyant lava]

« Insecurities »

[tough robin]

Imagine a game centered around the first contact of the Covenant on Harvest, like Reach but you have little to no idea what or who the Covenant is

[nimble cobalt]

You don’t know until you try, let them know. Hey read fall of reach, first strike.

[floral spoke]

please rephase me no comprehenda

[nimble cobalt]

Man with the hardware of today I can see it is a horror game almost, must’ve been terrifying when harvest first came in contact with the covenant

[unreal pebble]

I'm not the one blasting about how I'm concerned people who happen to have been born in a world after I was somehow threatens my ability to enjoy a franchise.

[buoyant lava]

Imagine a TV show where Masterchief just want to bang some girls

[tough robin]

I should start pitching game ideas. JK, would be a dream job to work on or write a Halo campaign /game though

[unreal pebble]

You likely won't get very far without a significant pedigree. "Idea guys" aren't useful, but talent is.

[floral spoke]

How many episodes are we getting?

[unreal pebble]

It's a good book! Got some nice recipes from it.

It also has a nice view into an underappreciated aspect of sci fi franchises; Civilian life.

[heavy locust]

Mombasa fried shrimp

[nimble cobalt]

Maybe make your own game isn’t that what Zack Snyder did when he couldn’t make his Star Wars movie he made rebel Moon

[unreal pebble]

Well, they actually do have kebab recipes.

[tough robin]

Moa Burger over all

[subtle crystal]

It has a hot chocolate recipe in it, it must be great

[tough robin]

Rebel Moon is on my list of movies to watch, heard it’s like 40k, Star Wars, sprinkle of Halo, mixed into one

[unreal pebble]

Original printings told you to cook chicken medium rare. Which, while unintentional, is quite funny.

[subtle crystal]

That's the reach way

[unreal pebble]

Moa apparently has a consistency and flavor close to beef, according to that book.

[subtle crystal]

Well, now I'm just completely sold on that book tbh.

[dark lintel]

Hey!!!

Does anyone watch the halo TV show???

[bitter ginkgo]

Nope

[nimble cobalt]

Yeah, I heard it was ok but I’m still gonna watch it. I love a mindless action movie and Zack Snyder make some great ones.

[buoyant lava]

Nope

[subtle crystal]

Yep, all of us here.

[bitter ginkgo]

That’s why we’re here

[nimble cobalt]

Yes

[heavy locust]

Yep 🙂

[subtle crystal]

And they're not laughing btw, some are here to not watch the show

[dark lintel]

Ok did anyone see this in this sean of season 2 the latest episode

I can't show a pic.

[nimble cobalt]

Yeah

[dark lintel]

*spoiler alert

[toxic warren]

#halo-the-series-spoiler-chat

[nimble cobalt]

If it’s a spoiler, check out the halo series, chat spoiler, one

[subtle crystal]

Spoilers to the spile-lers

[dark lintel]

Well I wanted to show a still pick of a scean.

Did anyone notice the shopkeeper lady had all kinds of old equipment and in the background was a original Xbox Halo edition, the green one with the controllers

[unreal pebble]

Yes

I've seen it all over Reddit and Twitter.

[subtle crystal]

She does?

That's neat af.

[unreal pebble]

I'd actually love it if they had Danny Sapani play a character in the mainline canon.

[ember crow]

I would like it if noble team came into the series

What do you think?

[rustic summit]

nah

they dont exist

[burnt sonnet]

Perez will be Noble 6 I bet and theyll all wear SPI armor

[echo estuary]

who’s noble team

noble team is fake news

[opaque silo]

no

[leaden drum]

How dare

[west pike]

@tawdry kestrel proud of you for having cool and important dialogue, you proved me wrong and I apologize for my harsh and quick judgment.

On a more on topic note I hope noble team is shown, they are important to game lore so maybe we can have someone similar in the show

[wise onyx]

The closest thing to noble team was cobalt team, they did investigate the visegrad relay like in the game lore but they died 🙁

[rustic summit]

if they were in i would have hoped they went to visigrad, because how else would they be able show up

[west pike]

They could make up a new reason, they can make it whatever since it's not canon bound

[violet stratus]

So saddd

[slim isle]

💯

[slim isle]

I feel that 😦

[frozen onyx]

I enjoy watching the show but at the same time it murders the halo nerd in me lol. ONI in their right minds would never take mjolnir armor and leave the intended wearers of that armor behind.

[slim isle]

THIS straight up. Shady, shady oni.

[steep timber]

Bet you they didn’t actually take it, we’ll see what happens

[copper rock]

ackerson is literally halseys #1 hater and #1 spartan 2 hater

i can see it

[radiant berry]

Are there spoilers allowed in this channel

[slim isle]

Negative.

[violet stratus]

i hate him

[sacred tulip]

But how else would you kill your campaign proven super soldiers?

[toxic warren]

Folks, please remember to use #halo-the-series-spoiler-chat of you're talking about things from season 2 episodes

[unreal pebble]

Honestly unbelievably based.

[frozen onyx]

It’s wild that his hate for Halsey trumped his willingness to help humanity win the war

[unreal pebble]

NGL I kinda like these Jackals. They're like hybrids between the 4/5 Jackals and mainline ones.

[chrome hemlock]

This episode was easily by far the best of the series

[west pike]

Spoilers dude...

[timid gyro]

thanks, man. Please delete this jc.

[toxic warren]

@frozen onyx Please keep spoilers to #halo-the-series-spoiler-chat - a lot of people have yet to see the current episodes

That includes plot points for episodes

[chrome hemlock]

Halo season 2 is already better than season 1

[gaunt stratus]

Man what an episode

[heavy locust]

In before sgnt Johnson says oo rah

[ocean aurora]

I swear it seems as if every shot I see of this show looks either underexposed or like the lens was dropped in dirty water. Something's off with the color grading or something.

It was the same in season 1.

[west pike]

I think it's to add a sense of bleakness and hopelessness

[mighty yew]

I have seen so many unmarked spoilers by large Halo accounts on twitter and given out so many warns for the same thing on the forums

[ocean aurora]

That's what it's hoping to achieve, yea, but it's just not done very well. Looks half-baked.

[gaunt stratus]

True. I know I shared a few memes on Halo Cores but, still

[rustic mortar]

Am I the only one who like the halo live action show 🤔

I really enjoying it

[toxic warren]

Same, I've been loving it 😄

[rustic mortar]

Thank goodness I'm not alone 😅 🙌

[toxic warren]

Definitely not alone, there quite a few folk here that have been enjoying it

Just wishing I could see the Declassified episodes, very much looking forward to watching them

[rustic mortar]

Same the guy playing master chief dose a amazing job he such a good actor

[toxic warren]

Pablo is so good, if you've never seen Orange is the New Black it's worth a watch. That's where I first saw him

I love his confidence, he has such a presence

[rustic mortar]

I have not seen that I will check it out be cool to get a destiny live action show

[toxic warren]

I would absolutely watch that, so much potential

[west pike]

Although I don't like the concept of the show per se I can't deny I've enjoyed the action and behind the scenes storylines more than I thought for S2 not S1

[tough robin]

There are for sure still flaws and things to dislike but it’s definitely improved and cleaned up from whatever season 1 left behind.

[toxic warren]

You can definitely see the learnings and and improvements. I still enjoyed S1 a lot, I'm hoping they go back and touch on some of those points some time. Like what happened to John during the time skip.

[west pike]

They definitely shouldn't act like S1 never happened I agree

[tough robin]

They shouldn’t act like it never happened but there were some… questionable things to happen in season 1

[rustic mortar]

The new reach episode is so good

[tough robin]

For me personally, Chief felt no where near close to his actual character in season 1. Left a bad taste

[rustic mortar]

It's adapt brother not suppose to be exact but I can say season 2 way better them season 1

[tough robin]

I know it’s not canon but you should stay faithful to the character

[rustic mortar]

I get you I'm still loving it tho but I get ya

Is halo legends movie any good?