#halo-the-series-chat

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median void
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It's like the game but possibly going down different paths or something i dunno

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well see with more episodes

formal void
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If the first episode is boring, that only tells me how the rest of the show is gonna be like

median void
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They should make a halo tv show game

formal void
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No
That's like making a movie based on a book exactly like the book
That's what the book is for

median void
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Yeah so they should like un movie it and make it a book to be played

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I would love to play as Soren

formal void
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What you mean? The Last of Us Tv show is super boring. They couldn't do too much about it because the games are also boring, and zombies is such an overexploited genre, I'd rather watch The Walking Dead, which is also boring

gritty crown
limber roost
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Or big fights and flashy colors

formal void
limber roost
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Yeah because the writer is coproducing the show

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He's telling his story again but now in live action

formal void
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They should have told the writer recycling your own homework sucks

limber roost
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Not like halo where they said they're making their own halo

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They did, it's not a 1 to 1 exact copy of the game

formal void
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Yeah, just turning the Halo games into a show would be bland, unoriginal and boring, I'm watching the story I already know but now I can't even play through it

limber roost
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Yeah because it's a story game first, action game second

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While as halo is action game first, story 60th after 343 game in

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And now with the show, that story gets pushed farther back

formal void
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Great The Last of Us, you took pressing buttons out, the only thing that kept me from sleeping through your story

limber roost
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Yeah like I said, it's a story game made for single player only and story driven. Just like metal gear

somber gorge
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i might have a thought of what season 2 should be

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and it strongly involves the Fall of Reach

primal dove
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Honestly hope they just don’t do the Fall of Reach since I don’t want that masterpiece messed with

tropic lark
primal dove
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If they’re gonna be weird and make their own nonsensical non-canon thing then they should at least have the decency to keep to their own

jaunty bison
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Well, TLOU didn't try to appeal to a wider audience or subvert expectations. It stayed true to the game...and the first episode was fantastic because of it. I wonder what the Halo showrunners' excuses are.

somber gorge
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Bungie wouldn’t have let it slide

formal void
formal void
# somber gorge Bungie wouldn’t have let it slide

1: Bungie had no say in what Halo was done with, do we have to remember Halo Wars was made without their approval?
2: a movie was being made during the Bungie era and nobody knows it if would have been good or terrible

iron leaf
jaunty bison
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True. But the books had plenty of material to draw from and could easily supplement the story.

iron leaf
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Season 1 could've been set in Harvest, an adaption of Contact Harvest. Sgt. Johnson could've been the main character

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and he should've been since Hollywood wants a face the audience can relate too, there you go Sgt. Johnson. A character that doesn't wear a helmet 24/7 and is beloved by the existing community

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But no, they literally forgot he existed.

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Master Chief and the Spartans shouldn't have been the main center of the show in my opinion. They should've shown up time to time to help out. Really sell the legend of the Spartans from the POV of regular humans like Sgt. Johnson and his team. This way, they get to keep his helmet on, and we don't get any Master Cheeks.

jaunty basin
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The guy who played captain keyes should have been sgt. johnson. idk why they needed to change up races for no reason and butcher the characters from a narrative standpoint

rotund hamlet
jaunty bison
tawdry kestrel
formal void
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Yeah, changing races is very disrespectful
The MCU totally ruined Nick Fury by making him black

iron leaf
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"Oh cool, so Sgt. Johnson, whos gonna play him?"

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"WHO?"

tawdry kestrel
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Literally

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Like if u want more diverse characters write new ones, and if u want people to like them then write them well. Dont half crap it and then be upset when no one likes them

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Then they turn miranda Keyes into a nerd when before she was like princess Leia level Badass

Like no one else was willing to take there ship to follow a super carrier to an unknown location the galaxy. And before that was the one that Lord Hood had to hold back from engaging just before that

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Like idk what the writers were thinking or expecting to get out of fans when they did what they did

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THEN, they dont even have the freaking ARBITER as well?? Who's also played by a great actor who happens to be black as well, they replace his character with the girl who somehow in some way wasnt killed on sight by the prophets???? And dont get me started that they even show her respect a human, the very reason the covenant were on a genocide campaign is BCUZ humans could do what forerunners do, that put the WHOLE power structure they had at risk of toppling down and losing there place of power in the covenant

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Bcuz if the forerunners are gods, and only the humans can really access the same things forerunners can and not themselves wouldn't that make them more special then the prophets?

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It's like theyd probably have to give up there place as leadership of the religious section of the covenant

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As u would see if u played halo 2, they def dont want to give up there place as they betray each other with the power struggle

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And then the spartan team they went with would have been a golden opportunity to give us more details of blue team that we finally got to meet in halo 5

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Like that was one of the few things I really liked about halo 5, u got to meet and get to know people that the chief new that he grew up with and worked with directly the most

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And DONT even get me started on how disgraceful they are with the respect of Chief's Helmet

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On a side note, had the show not been chosen to carry the title of "Halo" I personally think it was average. And maybe would have actually enjoyed it to some degree

But the level of sacrilege that took place was beyond painful

tawdry kestrel
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And Jacob Keyes (I forget if his first name is Jacob but I'm prettty sure) how his character was done (outside of race changing him, which due to the other cast of black characters who are literally the BEST characters in the game which made me think that was absolutely unnecessary) he just, between what we got from halo 1, and halo reach he didnt feel properly done as a character at all. I will admit there isnt a lot to go off but I would also imagine they could have found more matieral off of the books? But I've only read a couple of those myself

main crypt
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I hoped that the halo tv show is going to be a epic adaptation to the halo games and books but the writers some how they ruined the most iconic,popular, and revolutionary games of all time.

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The halo tv show has massive potential it could of be a adaptation for the fall of reach not Chief’s childhood and training to be a Spartan there’s Already a movie about that I meant when you know when reach is being invaded by the convent and force to leave behind the other Spartans not knowing they survived or halo first strike how Chief was able to end up at earth and how Johnson survived, or it could be both the fall of reach as 1st season and 2nd season is first strike because a lot of fans first time play halo are confused how Chief and Johnson ended up on earth.

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Unfortunately not was not what the writer think they made it not canon that chose isn’t bad but because they wanted to make their own story but still a miss opportunity then I heard news that the writers didn’t look at the games WHAT IS THE POINT OF MAKING A VIDEO GAME ADAPTATION WHEN YOU DON’T LOOK AT THE SOURCE.

toxic warren
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They did look at the games, that article that said that is incorrect

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It was later clarified

main crypt
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I just hope that season 2 fixes the mistakes from season 1 and improve I want this series to be successful.

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Even if the halo tv series whole plot wasn’t great but visual effects and costumes were really well but cgi was a bit unnatural.

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But Jen Taylor returning as Cortana it is parts of the show that did correctly and it will be interesting what her role will be at the second season

tawdry kestrel
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How I heard the ended the season 1 I have no intention of watching the show at all unless they can pull there act together and learn how to write a good show

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And how the show went it feels like they didnt do ther research at all. So when they said they didnt look at the games i was very quick to believe it as it felt very accurate tk what I was seeing

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From what I've heard about the last of us TV series I've heard they've stayed true to games for the most part and it's getting high praise. Almost like doing ur research pays off

main crypt
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Yeah true

formal void
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You know what could have worked

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If Master Chief only showed up as a secondary chatacter in a couple episodes or having just a single cameo
And instead, have the protagonist be a different character

tawdry kestrel
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If how they were planning to show to go how it did, I think that def would have been better

tawdry kestrel
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i watched halo season 1 and the last episode got me thinking. now when i go after the games we control cortana and cortana in turn controls the corpse of master chief! let that go through your head.

formal void
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That's only possible with the Cortana in the silver timeline, the Cortana from the Halo canon wouldn't be able to do that

sharp crown
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Is it true that they call a city.. reach city?

toxic warren
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Yes

sharp crown
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Lmao what a joke

toxic warren
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We do it on this planet, like all the time

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Don't see the issue tbh

sharp crown
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Miami is earth city too?

toxic warren
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Look at the amount of countries in the world that use the same name for their capital, look at some US states

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But again, why does it matter?

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It's not important

prisma folio
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They'd be better off making a movie recreation of ODST (the series isn't good)

unique basalt
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the halo tv show is garbage just my opinion master chief had his helmet off all the time besides 2 episodes and cortana was the best part of the show tbh and i wish they just never continue it it was so bad i didnt enjoy it better to make a ODST tv show or something a long with halo

sharp crown
spring grottoBOT
toxic warren
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TV show is in a different timeline and the cities used in the show aren't necessarily the same as in the game. They could have used established names, buit it wasn't required and certainly isn't lazy

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Luxumbourg, Mexico, Djibouti, Vatican, Panama, San Marino, there's more countries you can google if you're interested
As for US states, my memory eluded me, seems I was wrong there. Must be thinking of something else

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But again, in the grand scheme of things, is this really that important? They named a city Reach City. Cool. Who cares

prisma folio
tawdry kestrel
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why did they take off chief's helmet? they must be baiting the fans, especially with all the netfilx adaptations going on.

slate yacht
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Me waiting for the next season:

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Damn I failed

primal dove
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Miss my favorite hate-watching show

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With the trajectory they’ve set themselves upon this is probably gonna be more boring than bad

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Which is good cos that means less hate watching

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People saying “this show really sucks” makes people hate watch, people saying “this show is really boring” just makes people ignore it

drowsy stirrup
dreamy sentinel
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I kinda hope season 2 will do what season 1 didn't but I'm not keeping my hopes up

tawdry kestrel
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I wonder if the Halo movie can be just an adaptation of combat evolved

main crypt
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I would enjoy that

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And not seeing master cheeks face for like every 5 seconds

tawdry kestrel
# main crypt Yes

I mean, it would be Locke(private) as the protagonist, and the MC would be the deutagonist of the movie. Probably 2.5 hours?

main crypt
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Maybe

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You mean halo 5?

tawdry kestrel
main crypt
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Oj#h

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Oh

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Well he is a agent in ONI

tawdry kestrel
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Anyway, the adaptation would be a 2.5 movie directed by Neil Blompkamp, and would follow a group of marines trying to survive with Master Chief on a Halo Ring.

main crypt
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And would you put that in canon or separate?

tawdry kestrel
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And the marines would be the emotional core of the story, with MC as the legs moving the story forward.

tawdry kestrel
main crypt
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K

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Just want to know

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Or the tv show adapted one of the books

tawdry kestrel
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Like it'll be like the first game, but with more characters and include Locke and Miranda

main crypt
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Personally I would chose halo first strike

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Because it’s technically a sequel to the first game and explains how Johnson survived

tawdry kestrel
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Movies is a better medium for Halo?

main crypt
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Yeah

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I guess

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I would chose tv shows because you get to expand the to story

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Yes even though is like 20-40 long but a couple episodes in it would be longer than movies

tawdry kestrel
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Nah, movies are more concise. Not everything needs to be a show

main crypt
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Tire

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True

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But that’s my personal opinion

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🙂

tawdry kestrel
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I'll just have it be a sci fi war movie

main crypt
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Yeah the halo tv show should also more in the action than just walking around.

tawdry kestrel
main crypt
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Yeah true

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But did you see the cgi I have no experience with cgi

tawdry kestrel
main crypt
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But I can tell what’s is computer generated and a person (episode 1)

tawdry kestrel
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Yeah, more practical like Aliens would be neat. With CGI only for Covenant (to show how alien they are)

main crypt
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Did the show have like 90 billion or something I idk

tawdry kestrel
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UNSC are practical, down to earth with props as guns, and then you have Covneant weapons which are CG. Would show some difference.

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And also the ships themselves can be models with CG enhancements

main crypt
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I think for the elite’s and jackal’s are stunt actors and some weapons are actually props

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Even covenant

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The grunts,jackals,and brutes are mostly the same with their canon counterparts but the only change is the elites there armor looks like it came from the medieval times

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The only elites that looks right are the honor guards

tawdry kestrel
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Pretty sure a 2.5 hour movie can be faithful to the game

main crypt
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Yeah I hope

tawdry kestrel
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Not everything needs to be a show idk

main crypt
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Like the halo 4 forward unto dawn movie is a prequel btw

tawdry kestrel
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But some characters will have a lower screen time idk

main crypt
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Well it mostly focus on cadet Lasky (Captain Lasky)

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And one of my favorite character

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It was about how be meet the Chief

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Idk it is a promotion for halo 4

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Well bye 🙂

tawdry kestrel
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That one I liked. It wasnt super awesome but chief felt like chief and going into halo 4 I felt like I knew lasky a bit compared to just a new character they say knows chief

unborn spindle
main crypt
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Yeah

primal dove
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Forward Unto Dawn was cool

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Pretty impressive for a low budget

smoky thorn
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Finally got round to watching the halo series and I really shouldn’t have, when I was a kid the halo 3, ODST and reach adverts and promos were miles better, 3/10

sullen zealot
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hi

elder granite
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initially I did not really like the series and it defo has it's problems (Episodes 7 and 8) but it has grown on me in the last few months
and i do have hopes that season 2 will be more EPIC

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albeit i did expect the invasion of reach in the end of season 1

prisma folio
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Why are we calling tv chief "Master Cheeks" (aside from blatant mockery)

primal dove
prisma folio
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O h

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I fogot bout that

burnt sage
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master cheeks........

merry merlin
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ey man

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i just started watching the series and joined this discord just to state this

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but the series is mad cringe

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so forced and feels like a b-list sci-fi series or even a c-list. I mean Olomos's Battlestar Galactica blows it out the water

reef pivot
merry merlin
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Very late

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Lol but I’m three case better never than late

merry merlin
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Shouldn’t Cortana be more purple? I wish they just sticked more the game lore or exact. Keeping master chief a mystery could’ve been a big thing mid series or end lol. Writers had no creativity with the franchise they were dealt. Wtf is the vetting process these days for shows? Star Wars was an extreme miss at first now hit and miss after the Disney take over. Rings of power, Vikings Valhalla and now this

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So out of place with forced emotional attachment

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They could’ve developed emotional attachment and character development though the vastness, dangers, of space and camaraderie amongst fellow man, marines, etc. it’s literally just another mass produced factory made network show with the halo name slapped on top of it

stark arch
reef pivot
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Theh based the majority of aesthetics off Infinite

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Chiefs armour, Cortana etc

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They did well in sticking to the lore as much as they could, but they're also trying to make money, so that's why so much was off, whether it was time line (my biggest issue with the series), appearances, story etc

primal dove
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Can’t really stick to anything if you don’t even know the source

toxic warren
somber gorge
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It’s important to know that if they adapted the tv series and used the plot directly from the games it would still be bad

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To directly adapt a video games plot into the form of a movie and especially an FPS game would be pretty hard

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FPS games have different ways of story telling rather then a movie

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If they were to directly adapt games like CE or Reach there would still have to be certain liberties taken in order to tell the story

primal dove
primal dove
toxic warren
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Tweet Stephen and ask

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

primal dove
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But anyways, if they wanted to do Reach for example

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They could’ve done like their own unique characters during Reach

toxic warren
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His tweet is in response to that article

primal dove
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So?

toxic warren
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Hence why I said ask him if you want to query it further

somber gorge
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Halo Canon once said that so many people have taken the “Not looked at the games” quote so far out of context to the point where it’s pretty much meaningless

primal dove
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So what does it mean then

somber gorge
primal dove
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Given the shows quality I’m hesitant to give the benefit of the doubt

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And even if they did play the games, they sure as hell didn’t do a good job adapting em

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Either they didn’t play the games and did a bad job researching or they did play and did a bad job writing

somber gorge
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You gotta remember these shows will have to take liberties for the sake of entertainment and for their budget

primal dove
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Well duh

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You can make a unique story and still remain faithful

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Arcane, Castlevania, Edgerunners

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None just copy pasted from the game but still made a good show and remained faithful to the source

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And even divorced entirely from the Halo property it’s just a generic sci-fi drama that’s wearing the skin of halo

somber gorge
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A lot of times books connected to games are used for adaptations to films or shows

primal dove
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Honestly I can’t speak for the books

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But even then, considering the books over the games seems like quite the iffy choice

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But even if this show is somehow magically faithful to the books, it isn’t even a good show

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It’s just “watch this 7ft tall baby man run around going through every ‘manipulated soldier’ story ever and also commit treason. And also Kwan exists.”

merry merlin
# reef pivot They did well in sticking to the lore as much as they could, but they're also tr...

this is where i disagree. They made it waterdown/mainstream to make it network/family friendly and for the kids.

But if they just made a great series, sticking to the lore with riveting plot points, character development that have to go to so much moral decisions/sacrifices in the frontiers of space and for the betterment/survival of mankind.

They could've gone so many directions with this. If its a good series kid will like it and it will make money. Look at GOT, the wire, sopranos, breaking bad, etc ,etc. It can be realistic for the adults and also have great examples of morals being that its about halo and the masterchief.

This was just literally slap halo on a factory made script. Theres no reason to change anyones gender, race, but that was the least of the problems.

That military, the politics, the whole essence of it was just so lazily written and just unrealistic.

It feels like every show these days are coming out of the same place with the same diluted, watered down writing and casting.

Vikings valhalla, Star wars sequels, rings of power, resident evil netflix, halo.

The list goes on and on. I literally feel no character attachment to anyone at this point. Its just horribly written, im just appalled how this even passed to get aired.

median sundial
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let's not kid ourselves

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the show wasn't written well, it wasn't halo. it's very much possible to write a story that's halo inspired without making into the way they did.

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chief without helmet, that's manageable.

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but the entire plot was not good

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Aesthetically? Only the Covenant and UNSC looked remotely Halo. The insurgents looked goofy.

light parrot
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Bro I couldn’t watch new halo show Im not even a halo fan and it looks horrible

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Like no way it looked that bad for being 2022

wide arch
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if you want to watch a good screen adaptation for halo just watch forward unto dawn

primal dove
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Forward Unto Dawn was pog

reef pivot
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Agreed

crisp patio
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Where can you watch it

toxic warren
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Paramount plus

primal dove
crisp patio
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For free?

toxic warren
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Oh, if you mean Forward unto Dawn - it's been on Netflix and Prime at some points, can buy it in the MSFT/Xbox store I'm sure. Should be available on the Google play / TV store as well

primal dove
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Yea it still is

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Just checked

calm nimbus
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Just finished watching

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Me, a professional series reviewer can tell you that it sucks.

dreamy stirrup
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Ok

fresh mural
mystic thunder
main crypt
fresh mural
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If we take it as the action show it's marketed as, it's ok, since the action is good

stark arch
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No, the show may have turned out okay if it didn't have Halo label and characters in it. But since it does, and yet does not appeal to Halo audience, nor is it written as good as source material was, it deserves all the hate it gets.

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To put it simply: This show is NOT Halo.

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People are angry because they knew the potential the series could have, they waited for 10 years and when it launched every single one of them was furious about how 343 in their typical fashion butchered the lore of Halo in it, making a pathetic excuse of it being Alternative Timeline.

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It is pretty obvious that 343 as a whole does not understand Halo. The studio was born rotten from the very beginning, starting with questionable decisions, like trying to broaden their audience, completely ignoring the core fanbase of the franchise that still shows interest in Original Halo despite it's age, to making Frank O'Connor, the ex-community manager at Bungie, who thinks he knows lore of Halo, but has horrible misconceptions about it, on which he built upon new halo lore, the director of the franchise.

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And even when 343 got what they wanted after catastrophic failures of BF2042 and COD:CW, they managed to lose their audience, by not making content. So, 343 not only disrespects the legacy that was passed to them by Bungie and Microsoft, but also extremely incompetent, given the fact that they got everything they wanted on a silver platter and yet they managed to lose what little they had.

fresh mural
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The action is good

fresh mural
primal dove
regal sphinx
stark arch
fresh mural
stark arch
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Kiki Wolfkill (born July 7, 1969) is an American video game developer. Wolfkill grew up in Pennsylvania and studied journalism and art at the University of Washington, racing competitively on the side. At Microsoft, she transitioned from developing multimedia for Microsoft Encarta to working on art for Microsoft's video games, including the racing series Midtown Madness and Project Gotham Racing.

Joining Microsoft subsidiary 343 Industries in 2008, Wolfkill served as executive producer on Halo 4. Wolfkill oversees the Halo franchise transmedia at 343 Industries. In 2023 she reportedly left the position.[1]

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Transmedia storytelling is the technique of telling a single story or story experience across multiple platforms and formats using current digital technologies.

remote sluice
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I mean Kiki Wolfkill was one of the 343 execs that greenlit the show

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So if the argument is whether 343 influenced the show then yeah because they allowed the script to get passed through

fresh mural
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The show would have existed anyway if 343 still didn't greenlight it

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Microsoft decides it ultimately, like Halo Wars which was made without Bungie's approval

stark arch
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She was the one overlooking it, anything that they were going to do had to go through her first, which means she saw the script, didn't bat an eye and approved it despite the fact, that show was contradicting games in various plot points.

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“We didn’t look at the game. We didn’t talk about the game. We talked about the characters and the world"

  • Steven Kane, the show runner of Halo TV Show.
toxic warren
stark arch
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What happens in TV Show clearly says otherwise.

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-Remember that one scene in Halo where Master Chief butt naked slept with Covenant HUMAN prisoner while Cortana watched it happen?

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-Do you remember that one book where Dr. Halsey took John from his family while he was a kid, like every other Spartan and DIDN'T tell them that they were kidnapped to become the saviors of Humanity?

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-Guys, do you remember that Spartans are Programmed to be emotionless and that it wasn't a side-effect of their augmentations?

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-Do you remember that Spartans were Emotionless Machines, not kids that only lacked sexual drive and were raised as soldiers from a young age?

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-Oh yeah, I remember how Master Chief tried to kill Halsey and no one batted an eye. Bet in game if you kill Captain Keyes in the beginning of the game, there are no invincible Marines spawning to kill you as per Cortana's order of MC going rampant.

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Kwan Ha- Covenant attacking Colonies and destroy planets with a little to no effort? Nah, I want to separate from UNSC because my father was a revolutionery and wasn't just killed in front of my eyes by a big angry dinosaur with two sets of jaws and a lightsaber.

fresh mural
median sundial
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It's just not a good series, and not a good representation of what Halo stands for and what it should be.

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And that makes me sad because Halo has potential to make a great show, or movie. But when you bring in executives who want to change things to fit a broader audience perspective you'll bound to screw up.

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But even if 343 didn't write the story, 343 doesn't understand Halo story telling. Infinite is the most recent example of this.

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But ultimately, prepare for a word wall. I'm going to dismantle this entire show.

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  1. The insurrection wasn't portrayed at all how they should be. Their aesthetic, their weapons and the key character Kwan Ha was overly underwhelming. The insurrection has zero time to be flushed out, due to the rushed pacing of the first episode.
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  1. The Covenant isn't hard to write, but somehow they butchered the Covenant. It's not a cool plot twist to completely rewrite the functions of a genocidal alien race, but you know, they did.
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  1. @stark arch Said everything needed to be said about how bad the Spartans were handled.
fresh mural
median sundial
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...

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Say sike right now.

stark arch
stark arch
fresh mural
stark arch
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To contradict your statement regarding the writing of Halo Infinite.

fresh mural
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You can't contradict an opinion

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And the Weapon's dialogue is not even like that

stark arch
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Trying to find the right word.

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It's hard when you are on the English lesson and texting at the same time.

fresh mural
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You should pay attention to your lessons and log off social media for the time being, I'm pretty sure in every single institution it is considered a lack of respect to not pay your full attention to the tutor at the moment

stark arch
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It's online lesson

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And it lasts for 3 hours

fresh mural
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None of those 2 things are an excuse in any way

stark arch
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I know

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But it's kind of hard to obey the rules when you solved your tasks half an hour ago.

fresh mural
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You really should stop making up excuses

stark arch
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K

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OK

stark arch
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I'm back

stark arch
# fresh mural That's denial, Halo Infinite has some of the strongest writing in the series

In what aspects? The only thing good about it is Gameplay. I didn't feel anything after completing Halo Infinite. Cortana is dead, but it doesn't make any impact, because she already died once. We didn't even see her death, couldn't do anything to stop it, there were no stakes, because everything was already done without our input as a player.
It also makes Halo 4 pointless, because Chief did not want to have a replacement AI, but now he does! And it's Cortana model no less!

-They'll pair you with another AI. Maybe even another Cortana model If Halsey let's them.

Bossfights were meh. They were just supercharged versions of regular enemies with a bunch of HP making them bullet sponges. They had no interesting mechanics, they weren't smarter than their brethren, they were just that. Bullet sponges.

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When I completed it, I didn't think about how tragic it is. I didn't recall any moments or the OST that was playing parallel to some cutscenes. The only thing I felt was emptiness. My first thought after completing it was: "Wait. That's it?!"

fresh mural
median sundial
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They really should have went for a bombastic Halo 2-esque story.

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The Banished have no clear goal, the Endless came out of nowhere

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I mean you'd think since it's Zeta Halo they'd do the flood, but nah they did the Endless 💀

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The pilot is an alright character, but he doesn't really do anything 4 me.

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The whole "weapon" plot was goofy as hell, they just wanted to back track the mistake of Halo 5 so they killed off Cortana off-screen and introduced a whole new "cortana"

fresh mural
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If you really think the Banished have no clear goal that speaks a lot to your capacity of paying attention

median sundial
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What is the Banished goal on the ring? Tell me.

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"Awaken the Harbinger" or whatever, but why?

fresh mural
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No

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Their goal is making Zeta Halo their new home since their planet was kinda destroyed

fringe mango
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Your argument was really entertaining lol

crisp rover
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there are so many things i can say about the show 😔

rough kindle
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Gotta go with @fresh mural on this one. Infinite has some very good writing

median sundial
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I think it's just very cliche

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The Banished villains are killed off without any development whatsoever

nocturne star
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part of the difficulty in gauging its quality as a campaign is its competitors.

Halo CE was a master at its time. but the level design was lacking by modern standards, even if you're not trying to update mechanics. overall though, story good. writing pretty good too.

Halo 2 was very good. a lot of people's favorites. judging strictly the writing, very intense.

Halo 3 changed the focus of the scope, and you can like that or dislike it, but the writing was still pretty good. Sergeant Johnson's death was a bit cliche, and frankly I feel like it was unnecessary, but whatever.

Halo 4's story was okay at best. by the end of the campaign, everyone is still who they were when you met them. except chief maybe?

Halo 5 story suffered assaults from within that no story would ever be able to withstand. it was terrible, but executive meddling halfway through the creation of the game will do that.

Halo infinite writing is better than one and three I think, or at least on par. Halo 4 and 5 suffered the most.

the writing in reach was highly character-centric but failed to deliver a lot of connection and impact with what was going on. either you already knew what was happening at reach, or the most jarring thing about that game was that you die at the end.

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Halo 1 told us out the gate what the game was about.
Halo 2 did excellent jobs of demonstrating the threats.
Halo 3 . . . I can't for the life of me remember how they find the ark.
Halo 4, it takes a while to get to the problem of the story, and the problem is a kind of basic boring guy
Halo 5, they screwed up cortana's sacrifice for marketability, and the new guy was not a sympathetic protagonist.
Halo infinite, it does a very good job of showing us the threat right out the gate.

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in terms of the quality of writing, not necessarily the story and whether or not the stories are enjoyable, or thematically appropriate for the Halo universe, Halo infinite is one of the stronger campaigns. it is possible to have excellent ideas that are poorly executed, in which case writing quality suffers, and it is possible to have boring ideas which are well presented, in which you're constantly waiting to see what happens but the game ends and you feel disappointed.

I think Halo infinite at its core is trying to return to the style of Halo 1. which is cool and all, but we heard that story.

median sundial
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Agreed

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And REALLY they should completely reboot the series rather then completely remove the Cortana created thing

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Like I hated the idea of the Created but, it's just such a goofy way of doing things.

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Feels like a huge chunk of thr story is gone

cursive dirge
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w

tawdry kestrel
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Halo series sucks.

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What was going through the devs minds when they approved it

dense yew
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when will season 2 be out? because i think there are high hopes with season 2

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the stakes are higher after the last of us tv series

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even the xbox head was saying that

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i finally played halo 4 yesterday, i didnt play it earlier since its not from bungie, the game is fine, story and visuals are cool, especially visuals, but i dont like how the covenant looks and behaves now, and the game feels less like halo and more like some other shooter game... and the ending is anticlimatic, no sense of closure/ satisfaction unlike the Bungie Halo games

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what piqued my interest is the Genesong or genes that the Librarian had put into humanity, which led to the creation of master chief and his hidden genes or whatever

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i think thats what the show is going with now

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the master chief and his girlfriend in the show both will have that Librarian's gift

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thats why they can touch the artifacts and it produces that effect in the artifacts

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no idea what the hippy girl from Madrigal will do though

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maybe the Librarian could fix master chief to master cheeks again... thats my theory

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they might meet her then she accelerates his gene transformation and heals him back to older master chief

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then MAYBE i hope he becomes the master chief from the games

sand venture
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how about now?

urban sparrow
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woot

sand venture
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#weback?

urban sparrow
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oh we back

dreamy stirrup
native otter
verbal fox
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Ah heck, here we go again.

radiant venture
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The series!

mighty yew
dreamy stirrup
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@pastel stump WE’RE SO BACK

pastel stump
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WE ARE SO BACK

frank ridge
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we are indeed so back

vagrant peak
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Y'all are so back.

tight plover
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Just finished watching Season 1 on YouTube (the entire season is available for free in it's own playlist separate from the one where you have to purchase a Paramount Plus subscription, but the tradeoff is you get ads. A small price to pay for salvation)

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I am more hyped about season 2 as I have so many questions about things going forward based on the end of Season 1 and the trailer for Season 2

toxic warren
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I am very excited for Season 2, really enjoyed the first season. Need to pull out the Blu Ray box set and watch it again :)

dreamy stirrup
verbal fox
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I am filled with anxiety and dread to what crazy, unnecessary, and indefensible "narrative choice" is made this season to "humanize" or "modernize" a character that needed neither

tawdry kestrel
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For reals. Who knows? Maybe they'll un-screw themselves with Season II.

nimble star
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Show is an abomination save some cool battle scenes and aesthetic accuracy

solar wagon
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You don’t get it Chief must NEVER have his helmet on!

wheat sequoia
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halo fans heaviest copium users around

solar wagon
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Here’s my season 2 wishlist!
-Show gets canceled

toxic warren
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Let's keep the discussion constructive please

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If all you have to offer is "cancel the show", just don't bother

verbal fox
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Season 2 retconning the entire first season sounds very constructive to the show's overall appeal

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Still, I went back a reread some of the interviews done with the producers after the Season aired... it is still baffling how they defended some of the decisions made. Mind boggling.

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To start the slate clean would serve as a good apology.
Not that anyone is listening to the feedback anyhow. With the first shot of the trailer being Chief without the helmet, they arguably did not.

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I'm sure they had the second season ready to pitch as soon as the first released, part of the reason it got approved so quickly.

native otter
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I sincerely doubt they will spend any screen time specifically trying to retcon things from S1.

IF anything, perhaps they just ignore/drop certain things and move forward.

IMO, they don't have to erase ANYTHING from S1 in order for S2 to be awesome.
Just make S2 awesome!

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I expect at this stage though, it's all made anyway - so we just gotta wait and see.

verbal fox
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Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. S2 can be perfect, but because it's attached to S1, it is weighed down and, most likely, sunk by S1's baggage.
The TV show is a sandwich. The bread is moldy and represents S1, but the food between the bread is good and can potentially represent S2. You can't take away the bread without not having a sandwich no more.

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They literally made this Silver Timeline to start a brand new sandwich separate from the games.

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And they started with moldy bread.

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Halo Infinite, as a positive example, putting aside the beneficial foundations of the original trilogy of games, started off kinda of moldy (I enjoyed it nonetheless), but instead of trying to throw more food on the mold, 343 has been removing the mold first before adding food.

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Halo Infinite benefits from being live service in that there is far more accountability. They do bad, less people play.
The TV Series just needs your view once.
And it is far easier for a game dev to fix their mistakes than a show writer to admit their writing is bad.

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I've heard game devs apologize, I've heard Phil Spencer make public apologies for things he had little control over, but Hollywood just points fingers.

native otter
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I'm capable of enjoying individual TV show seasons, independent from the same show's other seasons.

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It's quite liberating.

toxic warren
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Bad is subjective - not everyone shares the same opinion that the TV show was bad, plenty of people enjoyed it. Same as some Halo campaigns - there are stories people like and ones people don't. We don't need recons because of this

native otter
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I felt S1 had great visual effects, and stayed very true to what I thought Halo should look like.
The trailer seemed to show S2 will be as good in that department.

verbal fox
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I am usually fully opposed to Retcons. I would never accept any attempt to retcon the games, even though that is functionally what Infinite did to Halo 5.
But S1, storywise, represented a fundamental misunderstanding of Halo. And while the showrunners may have changed, the executive producer is still Kiki Wolfkill. Based on her comments in interviews after the season aired, I have strong misgivings about the Halo story she wants to tell.

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So strong that I think the only solution is to retcon Season 1.
They had "Chief" commit a war crime in the name of "Humanizing" him.

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And sure, the skin of the show looks great, but I'm sure everyone has heard not to judge a book by it's cover.

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Will we get some good action scenes? Based on the fact the new Showrunner wants a more gritty story, sure, we will. If those scenes were all we got, I'd be happy not as disappointed
But the Executive Producer... too much say, likely will ruin this season with some other outrageous thing

turbid garden
warm birch
verbal fox
# warm birch wait how did infinite retcon halo 5? the cortana death?

The plot of Halo 5 was that the Created, lead by Cortana, were going to be the villains that Master Chief had to defeat to save the Galaxy, and that Locke would have a role in helping the Chief achieve that.
Instead, the Banished come out of no where and the Created are mentioned but not seen.

warm birch
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I see

verbal fox
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It's a soft retcon, in that they aren't deleting what happened in Halo 5, but they are making it irrelevant

toxic warren
verbal fox
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Now, in regards to the show, I would prefer a hard retcon, but a soft retcon could bring some people back to the show

tight plover
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At this point if they drop Kwan's story but kept the Madrigal portal plotline that'd be cool. Kwan just felt like it was filler the entire time with no real ramifications for the story at large. I'd like to see Vannak and Rizz also remove their pellets (or perhaps they were damaged during the fight at the end of season 1 and no longer function 👀) so that Silver Team can all adjust together to living lives where they have to consciously put aside emotion in order to stay on-mission

wanton sable
tight plover
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You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means

wary wind
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I watch it as a guilty pleasure and enjoy it while simultaneously hating it lmao.

wanton sable
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Frankly I’m thinking I’m just going to call anyone and everyone that talks about Halo or even mentions the game as “edge lords”

astral shadow
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is it canceled yet?

toxic warren
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No, season 2 releases in February

mystic thunder
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Very glad to see a season 2. I will be getting Paramount Plus again to watch the season. Thank you.

tawdry kestrel
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Season II better make up for Season I in a lotta ways, otherwise it's just crap.

orchid pagoda
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I doubt they'll do Halo right after the atrocity that is season 1

wary wind
static canopy
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The first season for me was good for the first episode up until the first title sequence it was good to see the rebels pov but everything after that was abit disappointing they butchered john and the rebel’s daughter story make little to no impact on the rest of the plot

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That said im still excited to see what season 2 has in store and if they make any changes to certain characters development

dreamy stirrup
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New poster just dropped 🔥

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toxic warren
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:O

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Sheeeesh

dreamy stirrup
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It’s crazy we’re going to see the fall of reach in live action now

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We’ll maybe get to see Noble Honor Team :0

lapis moth
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The battle for reach city is going to be

tight plover
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From the beginning, we know the end

radiant venture
meager crane
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it looks amazing tho

dreamy stirrup
astral shadow
silent sapphire
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I hope Season 2 is at least closer to the source material

little anvil
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It's following the Fall of Reach, so do you mean the game or the book?

dreamy stirrup
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If it’s a mix of both, it’ll be cool

little anvil
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It looks like it's gonna be a longer fight on the ground

potent lily
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Did anyone else catch the monitor appearance on episode seven of season one? it appears that Madrigal is a forerunner shield world!

dreamy stirrup
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Wait no I didn’t! PES2_Woah

little anvil
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Talking with Kwans dad right?

dreamy stirrup
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OOOOOH YEAAA

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I remember that little split second glimpse of it

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Good shout

winter arrow
plain hollow
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ffs

ashen solar
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Only thing I liked about the halo series was Cortana

hardy sandal
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honestly i loved the halo series

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hated it at first but it grew on me, now I'm excited for season 2

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this is making up to be a really great show

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can't wait for them to introduce the flood

paper verge
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I think it's a decent show, just not a great halo show.

I am curious for season 2

golden sorrel
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honestly i think they should've done something like the mandalorian

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they have similar vibes in terms of character

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i mean if they desperately want chief's helmet off it could be slightly obscured in shadow

paper verge
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Yeah, his helmet is off way too much

toxic warren
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Honestly, it's never bothered me about him taking his helmet off

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Pablo is a great actor, so I'm glad we get to see him

paper verge
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I don't mind seeing his face, they should just do it sparingly

tight plover
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Whenever I see something I don't agree with I just remember it's in a different universe

gaunt stratus
wide vigil
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All those books and all that lore.. and that’s the series we get 🫡

wraith plover
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You didn't read any book to say that :/

wide vigil
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You stand corrected

lapis bane
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what went wrong with the show

tawdry kestrel
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Taking off the helmet was 1 thing

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But then to ya know…. 👩‍❤️‍👨

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Was another lmao

gaunt stratus
nocturne sundial
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I couldn’t watch for much longer than 5ish episodes cuz then it got really boring and stale

novel fiber
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Ye

tawdry kestrel
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Idk they just didn’t have the metal vibe ig

nocturne sundial
dreamy stirrup
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Could you walk around and act with metal armor?

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Weighing a lot ?

tawdry kestrel
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I’m saying they could’ve done better editing or something with the armour to make the material look more metal

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Like forward unto dawn

dreamy stirrup
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ah yea I can see that

pastel hazel
sharp crown
# lapis bane what went wrong with the show

taking off the helmet over and over again. The side story of this character that we didn't really need anything about and could've had more run time for the covenant. the stupidity of the UNSC. People doing dumb things to move the plot forward. if this show wasn't called halo like the star wars sequel trilogy wasn't called star wars. this show would've failed the moment it launched.

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they really could've done so much with halo but they wrote.. this.

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oh and "reach city" what a joke of a name lmao. they couldn't color in a plasma pistol and they cgi'ed chief assault rifle. this feels like one of those problems that directors love to do on their cgi teams which is "ah we'll fix it later" instead of carefully planning everything.

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and the better idea was to reveal the prophet later instead of so soon. that first episode did so many.. too soon moments. like if they wanted chiefs helmet off. doing it at the final episode would've been a better pay off if executes better.

lapis bane
sharp crown
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only if there was a payoff

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he hasn't done it yet so im wondering if they will ever reveal his entire face one day or leave it as it is. one of the issue I have with films now these days is the removal of helmets for the actors face like in the marvel movies.

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the one thing thats great about a faceless character is a character that doesn't need to show their face to show emotion. you get that from infinite and other halo games

nocturne sundial
tawdry kestrel
pastel hazel
# tawdry kestrel Like forward unto dawn

I rewatched that the other day man it's way too good for it's budget compared to the halo series budget I get a series will always have a higher budget but you get my point

wary wind
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No hate, but surely this show won't receive a season 3 and beyond, will it?

toxic warren
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I hope it does

wary wind
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I would as well since even though I'm not a huge fan of the way it's handled in a ton of ways, I do watch it as a guilty pleasure and something to do 😂

potent lily
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Season two looks like it will be good to be fair. If enough people sign up to watch it, it might get renewed you never know

wary wind
tawdry kestrel
toxic warren
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

paper verge
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Chad Halo series enjoyer

fresh mural
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With all the other problems the show has, does it even matter if he takes his helmet off or not?

warm birch
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at this point, there's really no point in complaining

tawdry kestrel
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wha- why did they make this chat? what did they expect to find?

toxic warren
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People talking about the show

ruby panther
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Honestly, I like the story in a sense that it focuses more on the personal life of master chief. Thinking of it, he never takes off his helmet in the games because he is always on a mission, but you do see his eyes in halo 4 in the last video. I digress. The story about the girl, in my opinion, could have been written a little bit better. But my main issue is why they would make so many shots of people's rear ends. That to me does not make sense, like why have that when you could just have the people wear those pants, but overall, there are some parts of the master chief story that are weak or not as well written. However, my overall rating of the show so far is a 7. The fight scenes are great, but the girl's story is a little weak. Without spoiling anything and possibly getting in trouble, I will say that she is pretty stupid for not taking help when offered and thinking she can do anything however, she does smarten up a little bit later on. So as a final note, I want to say that the gore was a decent effect to add

ruby panther
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The plot development is pretty decent too. The writers did do good with that

ashen oasis
# ruby panther Honestly, I like the story in a sense that it focuses more on the personal life ...

I just feel like he took it off way to much and the storytelling didn’t feel like master chief… like a helmet doesn’t change your personality and he is typically portrayed as a stoic and determined character with limited dialogue, which adds to his mysterious and enigmatic personality (which the show didn’t do at all) Also it’s not the actors fault, it’s the directors and writers. Forward unto dawn did a better job at portraying master chief’s character in the games and books. But I guess every movie/series these days is losing its touch 😔

ruby panther
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True. He did take his helmet off a bit too much

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But also, considering I saw Indiana Jones and transformers just a month ago, that series was 10x better in ever way. It may just be that. That one scene, though, in the cell with that woman was very weird. I had to skip that, but the personality changes is odd too. But it does focus on one thing for him. Being human

little anvil
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Fight scenes were servicable.
Probably the best we're gonna see on the screen until 343 hires SODAZ

little anvil
ashen oasis
mighty yew
ashen oasis
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Im aware he has feelings and emotions but that doesnt make him a human

plain violet
plain violet
ruby panther
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Master chief or Cortana

tawdry kestrel
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I finished halo infinte, what now?

toxic warren
rapid grove
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I think the series could've worked if it focused on someone other than chief, they handled chief bad and there'd an obvious reason why they got people who don't have a love for the series and games to make the show but it could've been a good show just wasn't good for the master chief himself

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They could have portrayed another spartan in the same way where it made more sense, because they don't seem to really know who our chief is

elder tapir
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me when i need a weapon

quaint plank
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i thought they were making season 1 free to watch

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is it true or am i stupid

toxic warren
wraith plover
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You need to, for obvious legal reason

toxic warren
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Not necessarily, it can be made available in other regions, but I don't think it was with these

ruby panther
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It was free on Amazon in december

toxic warren
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@quaint plank bypassing regional restrictions isn't something that can be discussed here, they're generally in place for a reason and have varying legalities and contracts behind them

quaint plank
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ok mb

twilit shard
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be kinda funny if they put a glitch in the series

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like an exploit sorta thing haha

nimble sleet
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i hope this season is better

little anvil
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Time to go catch up while I can

hardy sandal
hardy sandal
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i actually love the Halo tv show and what they did with it

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I'm excited for what's to come

rapid grove
# hardy sandal wdym by "could've worked"?

I think they tried to turn master chief into someone he isn't, the series could've worked if it was the same type of character and plot but with someone other than chief so it makes sense

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In my opinion the Halo 2 blur studios cutscenes were way better than the series and even costed less, it's not about the time or money it's about the love put into it, and the people who made the series are obviously not loving fans of halo, they are filmmakers, not halo producers

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Season 1 of red vs blue has more love put into it, it's fun to watch, you don't get bored of it, and yet does red vs blue use insane graphics? No. I'm not saying that amazing graphics were needed if that's what im mistaken for, I'm saying that I'd want someone with a love for Halo to make Halo content, and that's kind of an issue we've had with 343 for a while but mcc and infinite updates sorta show love

tight plover
dreamy stirrup
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That new trailer though

bleak wraith
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I kinda have this thought in the back of my mind of the possibility of all of silver team but Chief gets killed off

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I’m not saying that is in like I hate them or whatever but kinda taking inspiration from what unfortunately happened in H:R

dreamy stirrup
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Remember: separate timeline

bleak wraith
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Yeah that too needs to be taken in account- anything is in the air really

dreamy stirrup
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We have to unplug ourselves from the matrix and forget what we know

bleak wraith
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Totally fair

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But it’s fun to predict and assume some stuff

unreal pebble
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Allegedly that was one dude doing the majority of the animation in that.

tight plover
little anvil
unreal pebble
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God, I'm so annoyed at how convos about that scene devolve into hating "Avengers" despite it coming out way too early for it to be directly inspired by Avengers fight scenes.

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Or pretending that Avengers has bad fight scenes

little anvil
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My main issue was how Vales SMG killed Soldiers so easily
What ammo was she loading, that thing was trash in the campaign

unreal pebble
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It's not that bad, but I'm also realizing that you like

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never see the SMG in 5's campaign, compared to other guns

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It's Vale like 90% of the time

little anvil
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Yeah. And I always made her drop it for something else so

hardy sandal
hardy sandal
cold sedge
mighty yew
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you say that like 343 doesn’t work with paramount on this heavily

hardy sandal
# cold sedge 343 is not paramount

Person I'm replying to:
"I'm saying that I'd want someone with a love for Halo to make Halo content, and that's kind of an issue we've had with 343"

"someone with a love...343"

me: "343 seems to me to love halo"

Nobody said 343 was Paramount. We are on a completely different subject of conversation.

thorn forge
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okay credit where it's due, this trailer does look better than the first season

sturdy haven
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Trailer actually looked good??????

unreal pebble
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My contribution to Halo TV Show news.

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fresh mural
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Why do you keep debating on whose idea the show was?
Are you that desperate to point your fingers at the "culprit" or what?

verbal fox
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The worst decision made

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From which all bad decision have been made ever since.

fresh mural
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Making the show happen in a different timeline was the best decision they made

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Unless you'd like the story as presented to be canon

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(And no, they're not gonna waste their chance with a show by just retelling what happens in the games. For the story of the games you have the games)

verbal fox
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The story presented in canon is far better, but besides that, I want more built onto the canon story, or simply transferring stories from the books to the big screen.
Even then, is so much story to be told from canon during the Human Covenant War. 3 decades of it, all of it untold that they could have covered.
Instead they opted for a worse re-creation. It doesn't build on what we have, instead it insults it.

fresh mural
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What story is better is entirely one's opinion

verbal fox
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Why can't fans catch a break? Why can't we see the Keyes Loop on the big screen, or Cole's Last Stand, the space Battle of Reach, all as told in canon, on the big screen?

fresh mural
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And you're wrong, it's not a recreation, it's an adaptation

verbal fox
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Doesn't change what it is

unreal pebble
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Getting more stretch out of the word 'fans' than stretch armstrong's powers.

verbal fox
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The show is unnecessarily divisive, all stemming from their decision to make it separate.

mighty yew
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I think that’s more telling on the “fans” than it is the show runners

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I mean, dear lord, the sheer amount of vitriol I saw directed at 343/paramount during the first season’s airing

verbal fox
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If this show was canon, we would never have that one scene between covenant lady and Chief.
The fact I can't describe said scene without the mod bot interfering shows how wrong it was to have it exist.

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And the way people in charge tried to defend it? Sickening.

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After that scene, all the vitriol was justified. They turned a hero into a mentally incompetent war criminal and offender.

fresh mural
verbal fox
fresh mural
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And for starters, if the show was canon fans would complain either way from the premise that Master Chief wouldn't be voiced by Steve Downes

fresh mural
verbal fox
fresh mural
verbal fox
fresh mural
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Yes, that is the entire point of making a different canon, to make things that can't happen in canon

verbal fox
verbal fox
fresh mural
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They made very clear that they do not want to retell a story that already happened in the canon, and with the Master Chief here, if the show was canon they would have had to make it around a story that already exists, which makes the show redundant when the source material is there for that

verbal fox
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Think. If they didn't happen in canon, perhaps there was a good reason for that?
Like Chief committing a war crime.

fresh mural
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The Chief did commit war crimes in canon

verbal fox
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Not of the kind that put you on a list and monitored the rest of your life.

fresh mural
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He is monitored for life in canon

verbal fox
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So you think the scene between Makee and Chief was okay?

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Acceptable?

fresh mural
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His helmet has a camera and he is obliged to show the footage to the UNSC after every mission for God's sake

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mighty yew
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people were saying that whoever made the show should have been fired and much, much worse

verbal fox
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By any measure?

fresh mural
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If you had a problem with the premise of making a separate canon you shouldn't have even bothered watching the show

fresh mural
mighty yew
fresh mural
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TV shows need a thing called plot and pacing, that scene added to both

verbal fox
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Yes, it can. But if you don't think so, what did you think of that scene then?

Plot and pacing could have been achieved without that scene. Clothes never needed to be removed. It could have stayed full PG and remained just as impactful on the plot.

unreal pebble
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Honestly, the most entertainment I got out of that scene was fans blowing several consecutive gaskets over it.

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Otherwise, I don't think it really does much for or against the show. Wasn't really needed, doesn't really hurt much worth stressing over as is.

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unreal pebble
verbal fox
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Even if you accept the premise that a romantic liaison between Makee and Pablo are required, they are far better ways to achieve such connections without going to the extreme, war crime path.

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unreal pebble
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Oh, preaching to the choir, sister, preaching to the choir.

fresh mural
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This is like watching a movie from the MCU and expect all the characters to stay completely true to their comic book counterparts as well as the stories to be the same

unreal pebble
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I like to use the Doom movies as an example tbh

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Or the World War Z movie, or the Resident Evil movies

mighty yew
verbal fox
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The Doom movies? Didn't people hate those too?

As for the MCU, most of the characters stay mostly true to who they are.

unreal pebble
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The point isn't that people hate them. It's the fact that they're different, because you can't skin a cat the same way you skin a cow.

fresh mural
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For starters, Iron Man, the fan favorite, does not

unreal pebble
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And the people who skin a cow aren't going to listen to the catskinner's advice.

verbal fox
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Sometimes, the cat shouldn't be skinned at all

unreal pebble
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Cool, but the cow does.

fresh mural
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Who actually wants to be a writer or director and be tasked to just rehash the same thing that already happened in another media?
The people who made this show didn't

verbal fox
unreal pebble
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So when you're sitting there, enjoying your decently grilled beef steak, it pays to remember you aren't eating a greasy, gamey cat flank, but instead a ribeye. Maybe not a great one, but it wasn't meant to be the cat meat.

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unreal pebble
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Of course, this is not convenient to remember when delivering criticism.

verbal fox
fresh mural
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It's like the fans who criticize Halo 4's art style not for being bad, but for being different
Because it would be so great for the new artists to make old creations again

unreal pebble
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Oh boy, the artstyle debate again

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I'm going to go for my 3 mile run now.

verbal fox
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Why change what works? What is effective? Why change history and tradition for something lesser?

fresh mural
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Not everything you think that works does

verbal fox
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But plenty does. The success of the games is why a TV show was ever considered in the first place

fresh mural
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And I'm sure you will complain about the fall of Reach when it happens in season 2 as well despite that event being something that also happened in canon lore
Now there, there we can debate if it was made better or worse, but only because that IS a rehash of an even that already happened before

verbal fox
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I will gladly discuss the Fall of Reach, as displayed by the Second Season (I won't watch the full show, but battle scenes, sure).

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I am sure many people will enjoy just those events alone

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But my problem still lies with the package

fresh mural
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You do know that's a very poor way of making criticism right, that's the same as watching the first 30 minutes of a movie and then drop it

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Now I'm questioning if you even finished season 1

verbal fox
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Anything connected to that scene with Makee, is tainted

verbal fox
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The battle was good, given the context

fresh mural
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Then you have no business criticizing the show as whole
Seriously, no business

verbal fox
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Sound fair?

fresh mural
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I am not stuck in a single scene, unlike you

verbal fox
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I gave the show a fair run, but it was an immeasurable disappointment. I wasn't, and still won't, give money to something so terrible

fresh mural
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And I find it quite baffling that you are trying to create a moral compass around a setting with aliens

verbal fox
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It wasn't even between a Human and an Alien. It was two Humans.

fresh mural
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Exactly, making your point all the more bizarre

verbal fox
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And just how much did we see of the aliens anyhow?

fresh mural
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And I don't know which show you watched, in the one I watched both characters liked each other willingly

verbal fox
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It was 75% humans

fresh mural
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Oh wow really? A live action production with a finite budget showcases humans primarly and not aliens?
Jesus wow I can't believe it, gotta inform that to Star Wars and Star Trek

verbal fox
fresh mural
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Their position does not affect their emotions

verbal fox
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Star Wars and Star Trek are far more established in the realm of Human on Human Conflict.
Name a Halo FPS where you are fighting Humans?

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It can. I will happily discuss the details of the Laws of War and Consent and Human psychology to explain everything wrong with that scene, if you wish.

tawdry kestrel
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hello 😄

fresh mural
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No you don't realize it

verbal fox
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The Insurrection is so seldom touched upon in any of the media, for better or worse.
But a major criticism of the show is the lack of Human vs Covenant conflict.

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mighty yew
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This is starting to get too heated. Both of you stop now, or I’ll be throwing out mutes.

verbal fox
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Wdym? This has been quite civil, I've seen some really bad ones elsewhere.

fresh mural
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I don't think you realize how stubborn you have been throughout all of this

verbal fox
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Minecraft is making some very good points about the Insurrection conflict

mighty yew
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I’m not going to argue. Both of you stop now

cold sedge
mighty yew
cold sedge
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Why

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This channel is to discuss the show

mighty yew
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move on to a new topic

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that scene doesn’t need to be discussed right now

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you can talk about other aspects of the show

verbal fox
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Aww, gifs are still disabled

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Understandable, but still disappointing

green tendon
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lets talk about breaking bad

frosty mesa
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Baking bread

gusty gale
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I’m gonna watch this new season when it streams next month. Idc how underrated this could get so don’t judge me.

toxic warren
toxic warren
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Finally got round to watching this and oh my word it looks so good!

tight plover
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No sight of Kwan. Ig her arc was completed last season?

toxic warren
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I hope not, I'd like to see her return

tawdry kestrel
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How much faith you have in season 2?

toxic warren
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A lot, I think it's going to be awesome. I really enjoyed S1, so I'm very much looking forward to seeing more

carmine salmon
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I wish I could unsee season 1

little anvil
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You are, unfortunatly, alone in that.

verbal fox
carmine salmon
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It's not only the writing, but the production is bad as well. You're telling me Paramount can't afford to invest in making sure the spartan armor (arguably the most iconic part of the halo franchise) looks good? Or that Cortana actually looks like a hologram instead of a cartoon? I mean Star Wars did it in the 1970s. I mean come on have some standards. Halo fans have no obligation to shill for such a mishandled show. I could understand if it WASN'T Halo but rather a new franchise inspired by it. But as far as I'm concerned the show is a stain on the Halo name.

wintry pelican
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There were some good looking scenes at least. The coming out of slipspace condor shot, the gore and some other scenes did look cool

carmine salmon
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And if they're gonna do a story centered around Kwan and the insurrectionists. Have some balls and write in the communist philosophy behind it.

broken sleet
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imma say this but idm the show being loyal to the games lore completely, i thought season 1 was okay.

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also masterchief DOES take off his helmet, he's done it multiple times throughout the game, we just don't know how he looks...until now.

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literally halo 4's ending had him strip his armour lmfao

verbal fox
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glossy umbra
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Noble team

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Where are they

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glossy umbra
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I think if your doing a season about the fall of reach it should at least have major influence from the book and Halo: Reach

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That’s why I think the season should have noble team from the game

fresh mural
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I think it should draw similarities with the book, but this show does happen in a different canon, so the circumstances might be different

glossy umbra
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Yeah

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Since master chief has Cortana before reach falls maybe noble 6 can survive in the silver universe

carmine salmon
tawdry kestrel
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What's wrong with making a film based on the first game?

verbal fox
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It was a single piece of text and they couldn't be bothered.
They can't even get the little things right, let alone the big things.

mighty yew
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Reach City is canon to mainline halo btw

unreal pebble
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As some weird 'fragment' deal.

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unreal pebble
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It's part of why people hated Reach's story when it came out.

unreal pebble
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I can taste it, it's in the air.

fresh mural
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Yeah like
Noble Team wasn't officially canon until Halo Infinite

unreal pebble
fresh mural
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No, Halo Infinite

unreal pebble
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?

tawdry kestrel
# fresh mural Redundancy

Well it can't be 100% accurate of course. Some parts of the game's plot has to be changed to accomodate the film medium. Not to mention more characters and the fact its in live action.

unreal pebble
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Don't sabotage what I'm saying with... Whatever it is you're saying.

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unreal pebble
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Noble Team caused a hell of a continuity snarl by existing in the first place on Reach, because Halo Reach itself caused a massive continuity snarl. So it's extremely ironic to claim the show doesn't care about canon using Noble Team's lack of presence as the proof, because they're the biggest example of a 'barely caring about canon' thing to exist on Reach.

tawdry kestrel
unreal pebble
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I'd be more irritated at how lazy the idea was.

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Oh boy. Another Hollywood rehash of the same damn plot. I totally don't complain enough about games and movies doing this already.

fresh mural
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Because if fans get irritated at the remaster for "ruining the ambience of the original game" when that was only a graphical change, now imagine a retelling that adds new characters and scenes

tawdry kestrel
fresh mural
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They complain basically about everything

tawdry kestrel
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Not even saying the movie must be a 2.5 hour gopro footage of master chief shooting covenant soldiers.

unreal pebble
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Honestly, I wish the Neil Blompkamp version of the Halo movie came out.

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Then maybe we'd have media to target that dates back to Bungie's heyday.

tawdry kestrel
unreal pebble
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Yeah, I feel like the whole 'flood brother' plotline idea was really slept on.

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Really a brilliant plot concept.

tawdry kestrel
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What if it really stuck to the first game's plot, but with one of the soldiers as protagonist and master chief is the deutagonist.

unreal pebble
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Considering my issue is "first game's plot", it doesn't matter.

fresh mural
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What about that scrapped Halo game about a marine getting a Forerunner weapon and slowly transforming into a Promethean

umbral granite
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If you did The Floods plot, and added some more details, you could do CE’s plot for a season of a tv show

unreal pebble
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terror Oh god, I always gave my marines Incineration cannons

tawdry kestrel
unreal pebble
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Different plot reqs for different scenarios.

umbral granite
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It would be pretty convoluted if you wanted a close interpretation of CE’s plot as a movie.

fresh mural
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Yeah only way I see Halo's stories working is in TV format.
The only story I feel can be well summarized in a 2 hour movie is the first act of First Strike

umbral granite
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Part 1 and part 2 would work better, like villager said

verbal fox
fresh mural
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That's your cool idea, instead of retelling Halo CE, adapt the aftermatch of Halo CE into live action
Then it can be both canon and free from tampering with the games

umbral granite
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First strike?

fresh mural
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Yeah

umbral granite
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Without fall of reach, it’d be missing some stuff

tawdry kestrel
verbal fox
fresh mural
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At least the first part when the Chief has to avoid the cruiser, rescue the survivors and take control of the cruiser to go back to Reach

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verbal fox
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Look they could do the CE plot, just not from Chief’s perspective.

umbral granite
tawdry kestrel
fresh mural
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I think they already did the CE plot from a different perspective
Fireteam Raven

verbal fox
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Start with the Fall of Reach from a Marine perspective, fall said Marine all the way to the Rings, and then, last episode, switch to Chief and then the next season is First Strike from Chief's perspective.

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Or multi perspective First Strike

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verbal fox
tawdry kestrel
umbral granite
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Considering how much shoot no questions asked is in CE, it’d be better to go off The Flood.

verbal fox
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How about a twist; Halo CE, but also have Thel's perspective.

fresh mural
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The story of CE is self contained, it can be open to sequels, but it is conclusive by itself
Before you knew Halo 2 would be a thing, the Covenant had lost their precious weapon and the Flood was seemingly dealt with
Making a movie of CE is ideal because it leaves the window open for a sequel, but at the same time ensures an all rounded story in case the movie fails at the box office and doesn't get a sequel approved

umbral granite
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That was unintentional

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Toilet paper emoji does not reflect my feelings on that comment

tawdry kestrel
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It can be like black hawk down in terms of action

verbal fox
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And now I am reminded that we didn't get any of it

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And feel empty

fresh mural
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I would definitely leave Thel' Vadam's perspective for a sequel
The first movie is the introduction for the general public, if you want to humanize the evil aliens and show a more heroic side of them first show the side that proves they are a threat

verbal fox
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Yeah, but they didn't even do much of that in Season 1 so.

unreal pebble
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It's like people who say we should have a Halo show be like band of brothers or the pacific.

fresh mural
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I actually don't think the Arbiter is gonna become a good guy in the TV show
At least not for now

verbal fox
tawdry kestrel
verbal fox
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So, Thel will just be a straight up villain

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If he is there at all

unreal pebble
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I view it as cheapening the source material for the movie, which is usually done in a more respectful bent and played up more for emphasis than feel-good violence.

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In other words, I think it is massively disrespectful to the survivors of the engagements in question to utilize those as examples for fictional stories when better examples exist in the fictional pool of examples.

verbal fox
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Feature length Landfall, Deliver Hope, We are ODST.

fresh mural
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I think it would be kinda cool if instead Atriox became the good guy while Arbiter stayed as villain
Given that Atriox was written to be more like Tartarus in the show, and Tartarus is a rival to Thel' in the games, the show would make a cool parallel with the lore by making a mirrored version of the change of allegiances

tawdry kestrel
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Maybe the arbiter would end up in the movie as a secondary antagonist

verbal fox
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I really don't see them doing that. With the severe lack of Aliens in Season 1, I doubt any actual Covenant figures will be anything more than one note villains or punching bags.

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A lot of the Human characters were one note too

fresh mural
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Give them a break, this show has less budget than a modern Star Wars movie

unreal pebble
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But youtubers told me Microsoft has unlimited money.

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And is heavily invested in Halo as a multimedia property.

verbal fox
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So did Forward Unto Dawn. Passion can go a long way with little budget

fresh mural
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Uhm

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Forward Unto Dawn has pretty bad CGI admittedly

unreal pebble
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It also reused props they had from the old reach commercials.

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Kelly's helmet is literally Kat's old helmet with an FJ/PARA knee guard slapped on the mouth.

verbal fox
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Dollar for dollar, they made the most of it

fresh mural
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But not everything is about the spectacle
The writing is important

verbal fox
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As for Microsoft's support for Halo, it's waned

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If that wasn't made clear by their purchase of ABK

fresh mural
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That is not really the case

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They will proudly help announcing Halo 7 when it gets made

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Buying Bethesda didn't affect Infinite's marketing or anything

verbal fox
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Halo has to succeed on its own merits. They made the Mark IV armor something you have to buy on the Infinite store for a reason, despite outrage

fresh mural
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Because the game is free to play

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And fans on the other hand, seem more focused on complaining at the priced nostalgia tool than appreciate the fact Master Chief's new armor can be unlocked by reaching the max rank, ergo, for free

verbal fox
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I just want them to add an ONI Emblem.

fresh mural
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Every company uses nostalgia to sell things, so this is not new or unprecedented

verbal fox
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I settled for the Key Chain but still

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Idk, I don't believe 343 is really playing their cards as well as they could because of a lack of resources

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They only started hiring again recently

fresh mural
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There is much more to it than resources

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Sure people may think Microsoft is not helping them anymore, but just ask: if not Microsoft, then who is funding every new season the game gets?

verbal fox
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Buying the Battle Pass

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Store purchases

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Book sales

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I doubt 343 is seeing any money from the TV series

fresh mural
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If anyone would be getting money from the TV show that would be Paramount

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You know, the producer

verbal fox
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Microsoft is still paying salary of course, but there was a hiring freeze for a reason

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I have zero respect for Paramount, or much of Hollywood in general. But that's a whole other discussion.

fresh mural
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Why tho? Sony Pictures and Illumination are much worse

tawdry kestrel
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I mean , with a movie means less screentime and higher budget. Better vfx

fresh mural
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Let alone Warner Bros

verbal fox
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Hollywood is full of elitism.

tawdry kestrel
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Fox could’ve produced this movie.

fresh mural
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Fox kinda doesn't exist anymore

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What remains of them is 20th Century Studios, property of Disney
Ain't no way you'll trust your IP to Disney

verbal fox
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I haven't seen any Hollywood product that has come out in a while that was made for the story, not the political beliefs of the director, or the egos of the writers, or the fame of the actors, etc.

fresh mural
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Top Gun 2

verbal fox
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Definitely the fame of the actor.
It was good, but definitely the fame of the actor.

fresh mural
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Produced by Paramount btw

verbal fox
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"Produced" but Tom Cruise had all the power in that film's production.

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Who had the power for the Halo TV Show?

unreal pebble
fresh mural
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A lot of people really

verbal fox
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Definitely wasn't Joseph Staten.

tawdry kestrel
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What about universal?

fresh mural
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You could blame it all on Paramount or 343
But...
Halo Wars 1 was made without Bungie's approval because Microsoft had the final word on it
So even if 343 had refused to help and Paramount had turned the offer down, it wouldn't have stopped Microsoft from just looking for another producer

verbal fox
tawdry kestrel
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But seriously though what if Fox is not owned by Disney?

winged nova
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please for love of god fix the matchmaking in halo infinite i cant with this anymore i cry everyday

fresh mural
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Well

unreal pebble
winged nova
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its a joke

unreal pebble
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Don't care

winged nova
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im joking

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💀

neon plover
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Lock it down, both of you

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(I miss my gif)

fresh mural
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The last films Fox produced before getting acquired by Disney were X-men Dark Phoenix, The New Mutants, Alien Covenant and Misbehaviour
All of them, disappointments

verbal fox
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Paramount... Paramount has been around too long.

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I mean granted, the choices out there aren't much better

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But, the showrunners I don't see as humble

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They are, for a lack of a more apt description, full of themselves

fresh mural
verbal fox
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Bungie got spiteful, as seen with Halo Reach.

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Not saying it's right or wrong, but that's what Bungie did

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But Bungie wasn't self destructive. They went after Microsoft, not their fans or their games

fresh mural
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Regardless if Ensemble Studios was humble and respectful on the franchise or not, they were forced to make the game and then terminated
That's not even on Bungie, that's on Microsoft

verbal fox
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Oh I misunderstood the topic

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My history on Ensemble is a bit rusty

fresh mural
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Though Bungie wasn't that much better
They created a whole new Spartan 2 for the crossover in Dead or Alive 4 just because they didn't want another studio to use the Master Chief

verbal fox
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Frankly I am less familiar with that, and am not fully aware of Bungie's actions towards Halo Wars

verbal fox
fresh mural
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Yeah, just one year after Halo 2, the game that has a song named "The last Spartan"

dreamy stirrup
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Let's keep this chat about the Halo TV Series, please 🙂

verbal fox
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Panda, question

dreamy stirrup
tawdry kestrel
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What company you want to produce then?

verbal fox
# dreamy stirrup <a:aPES2_HappyWave:760839234428207125>

Is there a way to suggest merchandise 343 should sell, or emblems to be put into Infinite?
I wanted ONI memorabilia, like the ONI pin Ackerson has in the promotional photos, or an ONI emblem in Infinite, yet... there isn't anything.

verbal fox
dreamy stirrup
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That sounds like something you should tweet to @HaloGear

fresh mural
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I will agree with you on that

verbal fox
dreamy stirrup
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Tweeter aka X

fresh mural
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Any producer, actor, director or participant in an adaptation who publicly admits to not have watched/played/read the source material is an insult to the fans of that material and should be fired from the project

verbal fox
tawdry kestrel
verbal fox
tawdry kestrel
fresh mural
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That is basically what I felt when Sam Raimi admitted to not having watched Wandavision and still going to direct Doctor Strange 2
Should have either immediately gone to watch it or forfeit from the project

verbal fox
fresh mural
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Uhhhm no please

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There definitely is elitism at Illumination

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And...

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The Mario movie was underwhelming

verbal fox
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Look, I don't care which studio makes it. I want names of people, not studios.

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I don't trust Kiki Wolfkill, but I would trust Joseph Staten, for example.

tawdry kestrel
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Honestly, good artists can be found anywhere. I think for universal studios they can do it however.

verbal fox
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For writers and directors, idk.

fresh mural
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As long as the people involved care about the project and give it their all yeah, whoever makes it is ok

verbal fox
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I don't pay enough attention because they aren't worth my time, except reading the interviews for the Halo Showrunners.... but that just feeds my anger...

fresh mural
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Netflix's One Piece worked because everyone involved had passion for the source material and they all consulted it

verbal fox
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Like, let's take Henry Calvin... or is it Calvill?

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The Superman actor

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He is super passionate about 40k

fresh mural
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Henry Cavill

verbal fox
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I would definitely trust him in making a faithful 40k film because I know he is passionate about 40k

fresh mural
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Didn't he leave The Witcher show tho
(And he was the protagonist)

verbal fox
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40k film or no 40k film, he is still a 40k fan.

The Showrunners of Halo TV? I doubt they care about Halo in so far as how good it looks on their resumes

verbal fox
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Not a Witcher fan, not in the know on that

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If I can't sit down with the person and talk Halo with them, they shouldn't have any creative direction with the show.

fresh mural
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Only season 2 will tell

verbal fox
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David Wiener is the showrunner

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If I can't ask him which game is his favorite, the Season is a write off

tawdry kestrel
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What if private locke was the protag in the movie?

mighty yew
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private?

verbal fox
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Tell you what. If Kelly, Linda, Parisa, Ellie Bloom, and Katrina all appear in front of John at the same time in the show, I'll watch it, just for the meme value in that alone.

tawdry kestrel
# mighty yew private?

As in since its based on CE, the movie can start with him young and as a corporal. And throughout the movies we see him get promoted to sergeant. And he'll be the one who is inspired by Master chief.

verbal fox
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Locke is ONI

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He would have some sort of Navy rank

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I take that back though, because the TV Show ONI is not militarized enough.

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That's my personal gripe though. ONI should be in the same uniforms as their Navy compatriots

tawdry kestrel
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Just saying that with the movie's own Halo 5, that'll give weight to the fight between Locke and master chief. Since they fought together in this version

verbal fox
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Halo 5 has a film for it already, Nightfall

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None of that is connected to the show in anyway

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Nightfall was bad, but I rather only have that than... whatever Paramount made.

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Like ONI being ONI, boldly showing their insignias in UEG Space... that was cool, I enjoyed that.

crude kelp
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Doesn't even make sense to make a show about Halo when it completely changed all personalities of characters from the games. They literally slapped an entirely different plot on the basis of aliens and super humans. Take the same plot, put it on a differently named show, everyone is happy.

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It's a disgrace to the fans and reflects poorly on the people who play the games. The show is literally embarrassing to be associated with.

unreal pebble
tawdry kestrel
# fresh mural Didn't he leave The Witcher show tho (And he was the protagonist)

He left because they didn't follow the lore/books and basically ruined the story. They legit wanted him to crack jokes when ||his horse died, that's not Geralt...|| He wasn't even the main character. Him and Joey Batey were the only good part and they ruined his character in season 3. I'm glad Henry left that sinking ship.

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I trust Henry being the producer and star of 40K will at least stick as close to the lore/feel of Warhammer that the budget will allow.

mighty yew
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Blood for the Blood God

toxic warren
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OK, let's try and keep things a bit more constructive moving forward.

Constructive criticism is fine, but things like calling people lazy or saying they have no passion for what they're doing is not going to be tolerated. You cannot speak to the passion someone puts into a project , not is it fair to throw blame on one person.
Let's keep it civil, thank you

glossy umbra
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Will the show have noble team

hybrid osprey
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That's what I am wondering if Noble team will be seen I get this is a halo show with mostly the master chief but I would love to at least see even a mention or glimpse of the Noble team!

Though the show is slightly confusing I don't know if they are truly basing it off the game or lore or just going on what they want to do? And I apologize if there is something I am misunderstanding with this tv series. But I just know not to compare the series with the game or lore since it's loosely based on it if that is the right word to use if not I can't think of a better kinder word to use. No good with words lol.

But I am interested in watching this next season though it is unfortunate some of the stuff they have done to it like armour less master chief/ John fighting in one of the cut scenes in the trailer!

toxic warren
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The TV show runs on its own timeline called the Silver timeline - it uses characters, environments, objects and themes from the stablished lore (games, books, other media), but is telling its own story separate from main canon. Try not to look at it as "X character never did this in the games or books" and go more towards "In another universe, this is what this character did"

hybrid osprey
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Ah okay thank you! That does make sense!

fierce zenith
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"In another universe, there are no true spartans worthy of this name"

hardy sandal
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i just watched the season 2 trailer

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this looks AMAZING

unreal pebble
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Honestly, "Spartan" is such a laconophilic term anyways. Halo just beat those Moron Lobe guys to the punch.

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So yeah, most Spartans are better than that term.

little anvil
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Spartan wasnt even the first term Halsey thought of, theres like, 10 others.
Laconians was actually in the running alongside Olympians and Thermopylites right?
Let me check her journal.

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Which is literally on my shelf, to the right of my pc

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Promethean was also in the running funnily enough

tawdry kestrel
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wow, ok... might as well have banned me.

toxic warren
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There was no need to dip in with a comment like that. Not anything to ban anyone over, but keep it constructive going forward please

tawdry kestrel
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hehe (constructive conversation about a topic like this is not really warranted but sure)

toxic warren
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It is warranted

tawdry kestrel
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Mmhmm.

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I bet the 5-10 people talking about this series in a good light on Twitter really love what you're saying right now lol

toxic warren
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You can be negative while still being constructive, being constructive doesn't mean only being positive

tawdry kestrel
toxic warren
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Please don't ping on replies, thank you

tawdry kestrel
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😂

tawdry kestrel
toxic warren
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You're right, it's offtopic for here

tawdry kestrel
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Wow, you really are a textbook mod. Good to know.

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So, question: if I can't ping a mod by name, do I just ping the role you're in?

spring grottoBOT
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For server moderation concerns, please send a direct message to @weary rune.

fierce zenith
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It's pretty difficult to have constructive critics without spoilers, because the main critics are about the plot, not the pretty pictures.
But for some reason I cannot write in the spoiler chat. Is there something I need to do ?

dreamy stirrup
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I believe we’re keeping that locked until the show begins

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So let’s keep channel spoiler free until then 🙂

fierce zenith
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So we have no way to talk about the first season ?

dreamy stirrup
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You can talk about the first season. It’s available to watch for all

tight plover
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And it's been out for almost a year so if it's a spoiler for someone then they haven't been paying attention or intentionally ignored things until now. If you must say something that sounds like a spoiler you can mark your post with spoiler marks though again it would be a reasonable assumption that anyone reading this channel already knows what's going on/what happened in the show in Season 1

toxic warren
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This channel is for talking about the TV show :)

glacial forum
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Oh crqp

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Halo tv show is very bad but it's your opinion

tawdry kestrel
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the halo show.... why, 343? why?

fierce zenith
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343 and Microsoft probably thought that it would bring more people to the franchise, and maybe they asked to create a story that would talk to "a larger audience" than just the fans and gamers.
Paramount's writers wanted to make their own story instead of making a faithful adaptation (which would still have been the best choice), because they have the pretension to create a better story than the games and books.
The studio wanted to make it in live-action for some reason, despite the fact that it would mean using a lot of CGI for all the aliens (which is why we got the Makee character to make a cheaper Arbiter), while it would have been better to make it fully-3D like a modern Clone Wars, or in a more artistic format like Arcane.
And on top of all of that, Pablo wanted to show his face as much as possible.

shell shale
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At this rate, I think it would’ve been better if they had a stunt man in the armor and let Steve do the voice work
But at the same time, I wouldn’t want him to be involved in this garbage TV show

toxic warren
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It's fine to be critical but calling things "garbage" isn't helpful or constructive

toxic warren
# fierce zenith 343 and Microsoft probably thought that it would bring more people to the franch...

343 talked about the reasons for taking the show in the direction they did, if memory serves correctly it's in this article:
https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/silver-debrief-a-new-beginning

Silver Debrief: A New Beginning

DEBRIEF 001 A new beginning is upon us… Halo the television series is coming soon, and we promised at the end of last year that the time was fast approaching for us to spin up the slipspace drive and talk about what this monumental endeavor means for the future of the Halo universe. That time […]

fierce zenith
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Adaptation always brings a set of changes because you cannot describe actions in a book the same way you would do in movie. And the strategy to create some sort of surprises even for the Halo loremasters of the fan community is some good strategy... unless those surprises include some deep destruction of the core canon, like Makee.

"The Silver Timeline is a unique vision of the Halo universe that contains and embraces many key elements of the core canon that has spanned the last two decades, but with relevant contextual and narrative details that diverge in ways appropriate (and necessary) to the storytelling opportunities presented by the TV medium and our collaboration with creative partners."

I would be curious to know why the canon timeline isn't *appropriate *for the TV medium, and which changes of the . Is the Halo universe too dark so we have to make the covenants leave Madrigal without glassing it the next morning, and also give the spartans a magic implant that supresses their expression so we can magically make them more human while creating useless drama?

Most Halo lore fans are aware of the origin story of Chief, the Spartan program, and the machinations and outcomes of that program, but haven’t seen it through the eyes of the kids who experienced it, or the adults tasked with making it happen. We get to do that, and also tell a story about a fairly dark period in the Halo universe, and unblinkingly look at the ethics and morality – but with the advantage of perspective. We know why the SPARTAN-II program happened and also why it may have been necessary, but the moral ambiguity of both events and characters is going to act as a prism for how we view things we thought we already knew.

Well, that wasn't the story of the spartan program. Both the memory erasing and the emotional regulator implant change EVERYTHING about what it means to be a spartan in this universe. In a way, those children were forced to accept becoming soldiers, but they accepted it anyway, with the sacrifices that was needed. They knew they would never have a normal life, that their entire existence would be sacrificed to protect Earth, the colony and Humanity at large. They also knew, especially after the start of the war with the Covenant, that they needed to be examples of heroic duty to keep the moral high among soldiers. They understood the need to APPEAR invulnerable and without weakness, which includes emotions. And during each training or mission, they felt emotions (maybe more deeply than the average human) but learned to control them and act pragmatically. There is a huge difference between acting like a machine because you have no emotion, and keeping your emotion under control so you can make the best decision under pression.

shell shale
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They could’ve had a show set in the canon, so many possibilities for stories during the war, yet they went this bizarro route

fierce zenith
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Well, they though it was impossible to get a large audience without having Master Chief, so they made him the center of the plot.
But the Chief is not meant to be center of everything. He's just a really good soldier who is part of a larger story where most of the big decisions (and drama) are made by other characters : Cortana, Jacob and Miranda Keyes, or even Guilty Spark during some part of the first game.

He has more personality and decision making in the books, that's true, but he still limits himself to combat and small tactical choices. The most interesting human interaction I saw him doing in a book was in Operation Silent Storm when he ||has his first meeting with Sgt Johnson and has such difficulty to convince him he's not an under-aged soldier, because Johnson is not stupid||. That's the king of dilemma that is interesting with the spartans, and we should not try to make them completely human. They can make some progress to be MORE human, but the show was going way to far way to fast, and with a stupid technological Deus Ex Machina.

toxic warren
idle pawn
fierce zenith
# idle pawn Its live action because Microsoft/343 has wanted to do a live action adaptation ...

So it's basically a caprice.
Maybe it could have worked with the Neill Blomkamp project, because he has the capacity to bring the dark military aspect of Halo into the screen.
But on the Silver Timeline, it's just a bellow-average sci-fi show wearing a Halo skin-suit (because at least most of the visuals at goods, the props department has make the best job in this entire show by far).