doesnt help that the planet was alderon too which is probably one of the few planets you should never blow tf up unless you really want to piss off the galaxy
#lore-and-universe
tacit charm
visual orbit
Who's her successor?
craggy sierra
Who's her successor?
Probably Warden Eternal if not some other random AI in her following but I have an uncomfortable feeling everything surrounding the guardians is going to be handwaved away or swept under a rug somehow.
visual orbit
Probably Warden Eternal if not some other random AI in her following but I have ...
I'd assume warden would take control of the guardians and serve the will of Cortana
craggy sierra
It's gonna be like "yeah Cortana just remote detonated everything in her final act also"
humble yacht
Honestly that may be good because it would make stepping away from halo very easy and then I’d be free from all the stress I get from this franchise
versed helm
Wasn;t it already established that the Guardians are keked, cringed dead even
broken if you will
and Created AI have no clue what to do and just hang around in Knight shells?
versed helm
With Cortana's destruction, all Guardians across the galaxy has been deactivated, although the Promethean forces and the other Created AIs, with many of which housing their computational cores within Promethean Knight carapaces, remained active and operational and continued to resist and fight the UNSC as of 2560.
humble yacht
According to who?
Ah, the encyclopedia
What a lame thing to do
Guardians shouldn’t need Cortana to function when they have their own onboard AI
And imo Cortana shouldn’t even be dead
versed helm
Yes I am quite confused how blowing something up causes an AI to die
Especially one like Cortagna
humble yacht
“Somehow the Weapon locked Cortana down” is the halo equivalent of “somehow palpatine returned”
last anchor
"Just data cycling till it runs out of power."
Chief, looking around, getting a cold feeling in his spine;
"No. Its not. Its her."
"What do you mean?"
"Shes still active. She IS the Ring now."
humble yacht
Did you just come up with that or is it from the game?
craggy sierra
And imo Cortana shouldn’t even be dead
I mean...I think she should be dead.
I just think that we should have maybe had involvement in that happening instead of her just talking to the world's worse guidance councilor.
Like the plot of Infinite should have been making that happen
Not rug sweeping it and moving on with zero involvement
humble yacht
I mean...I think she should be dead.
I just think that we should have maybe had...
Imo she shouldn’t be dead within the context of what infinite gave us because infinite didn’t really take appropriate steps to neutralize her
It handwaved a fresh ai that just happened to be capable of somehow disconnecting Cortana from the domain
But I also would have preferred to have her been defeated without killing her, and having her remain a persistent character even if she wasn’t able to directly influence the state of the universe any longer
versed helm
I like Infinite's campaign but it does really feel like the
second act of a six act story
And we missed the prologue and first act
last anchor
Did you just come up with that or is it from the game?
Thats how I feel it should sort out.
Better than her just being gone.
Not her anymore, but not entirely removed from everything.
The Weapon takes her place as a physica AI but Cheif knowing Cortanas there in the ring watching over him does feel kind of poetic.
Yeah you got it on the nose Chimera.
stable flower
I hate how most of the interesting stuff happens offscreen.
clear vortex
I hate how most of the interesting stuff happens offscreen.
They have to sell books somehow
craggy sierra
They have to sell books somehow
Given the context of previous messages I think he was talking about Infinite. And the trainwreck of Infinite's story is not something any books have a hand in.
It's just poorly made
lyric ether
chrome kettle
ebon coyote
i mean right now we just need to investimigate stuff...we have a downed guardian (destiny reference NOT intended) with absolutely NO intelligence on how it died...the Status of the Infinity remains unknown...we know some of her crews were shot down but not all so where in the heck is everyone
also she has 10 sub vessels but only 2 were confirmed lost so what happened to the other 8
her single ship fighters...SURELY (i am serious and dont call me shirley) she had some sitting alert so they were able to escape the ship in time
also also given how QUICKLY the attack was executed her crews sure managed to abandon her fast enough
i mean so many missing details where in the HECK do i even start??
whats next...the Fire Bases on the surface of Halo infinite are suddenly gonna become bases??
because if thats the case i would like to reference my earlier post about infinity becoming a hub world
i mean how do we go from a Mass Deployment event in Spartan ops to...BIG SCARY THING RUN AWAY!
also...i may or may not have become overprotective of that grunt as soon as it said that....UNGGOY LIVES MATTER lmao
vale mountain
Man I love how the only distinction between the members of spartan black is the fact all their visors are numbered
ebon coyote
didnt fall of reach have Masters Chiefs insignia on his visor??
when corporal harland stared into his visor??
supple kite
her single ship fighters...SURELY (i am serious and dont call me shirley) she ha...
Hahaha love the airplane reference
I don't think the story is bad, I just disagree with the drastic jump from halo 5 to infinite
merry vessel
when corporal harland stared into his visor??
He saw it in his own helmet HUD
tame gazelle
Hey, does it ever specify that the Spartan-II flash clones died of genetic disorders? I wanted to make it so that one of them had a twin, but idk if ONI would leave a loose end like that dangling.
I know no one will care if my lame fanfic is canon, I'm just not sure if I can commit to that kind of coincidence.
supple kite
Haha at least you're paying more respect to the lore than Paramount
tame gazelle
Cool so apparently there are recorded cases of identical twins expressing genetic disorders differently. I'm off to the races!
supple kite
Nice, hope it goes well for you
supple kite
It's up to you, sounds like an interesting take on halo
tame gazelle
Okay.
ebon coyote
Hahaha love the airplane reference
thank you thank you lol
supple kite
Watched that film many times
humble yacht
Cool so apparently there are recorded cases of identical twins expressing geneti...
Yes because even if two genomes are identical, they can be affected by environment differently. Or they can experience different random single nucleotide polymorphisms, or different areas of their genomes can be damaged
But flash clone degradation is mostly because the cloning process is very quick and dirty and the clones end up with majorly messed up genomes that lead to things like cancer and other fatal genetic disorders and diseases
ebon coyote
Watched that film many times
many good
tame gazelle
I don't get it.
tame gazelle
But flash clone degradation is mostly because the cloning process is very quick ...
I was thinking that, considering how ultra-illegal this all was, that they didn't want the parents asking any questions, like for example, "Why didn't Megan die when Elise has identical DNA?"
Don't tell you what? I'm not going anywhere lewd and can't figure out what you're implying. ;_;
humble yacht
I was thinking that, considering how ultra-illegal this all was, that they didn'...
If you have twins and one gets exposed to radiation and the other doesn’t, or one develops cancer and the other doesn’t, you don’t really question why one died and the other didn’t
last anchor
I was thinking that, considering how ultra-illegal this all was, that they didn'...
Twins dont have identical DNA; not even identical ones. Their features are just similar. Genetically they're distinct.
If you look at a pair of "identical" twins, you'll notice things about them that are unique.
last anchor
I'm more curious as to why ONI would only take one if they had two.
Perhaps only one of the twins had the markers Halsey was looking for.
tame gazelle
IIRC they chose which of the 150 Spartans got actually taken by random when funding was cut. Presumably Megan-130 dodged the bullet, but Elise-131 didn't.
Watch me be a-okay on cloning and 100% wrong on lore I read when I was twelve.
Righto, Halsey's journal says...
last anchor
Not quite random, Halsey went and investigated many of them. Thats how she met John for the first time.
Some of them they couldnt find, some of them they found personality issues or something with. Others were too sickly or just not worth it.
tame gazelle
I was wrong, there were 75 out of 150 candidates.
last anchor
300 at first, then down to 150. Im not sure if the 75 were all they found or if there was another cut at some point. Either way, about 75 were taken, 33 made it through augmentations.
last anchor
My guess, Halsey investigated your twins, decided one was more likely to be a Spartan, and had them take that one
If you wanna be faster, use Halopedia.
tame gazelle
Yeah, it didn't say for sure, so I'm looking.
But yeah I had Elise be ultra-aggressive and Megan kinda quiet and bookish. So that works~
last anchor
Halsey does like aggressive
tame gazelle
CPO Mendez will later have a long conversation with the kidnappers about why they picked that twin.
last anchor
I wouldnt say the kidnappers.
Halsey made the call.
She told ONI who to take and they did that.
tame gazelle
Actually yeah I like that better.
last anchor
Now if there was a case of mistaken identity...
Though how that would work I dont know. But its fanfic.
tame gazelle
I know how.
last anchor
Weirder stuff happened in canon; Serin Osman was quite literally white-vanned from her druggie mom.
They didnt kidnap her, they offered her food, she climbed in a van and they drove off.
tame gazelle
It would be between Halsey, Mendez, and Keyes or Parangosky or some other third person.
One of the candidates snuck out with a friend. The operators killed the candidate and took the friend.
last anchor
Parangosky, or possibly whoever was her CO at the time (Stanforth? Whitcomb? I think its Stanforth)
tame gazelle
They're all, like, "Oh man oh man what do we do the augmentations won't even WORK on him probably this is SO BAD"
I'm picturing it almost like a comedy sketch. Halsey doesn't understand the problem because to her this just means fixing a spreadsheet. Parangosky gets excited about evil and impractical solutions ("What if we killed both kids' families, then blamed it on a human rights activist? That would solve so many problems at once!"), Mendez is just like, "You two are turning me into a misogynist."
last anchor
Possible, but I dont think the augmentations were limited to those markers.
gilded mason
I'm picturing it almost like a comedy sketch. Halsey doesn't understand the prob...
Halsey doesn't understand the problem because to her this just means fixing a spreadsheet
Hm? She agonized quite a bit about this kind of thing, I'm fairly sure.
tame gazelle
I've been watching too much of the TV show.
gilded mason
Yah, Show Halsey and Canon Halsey are basically two completely different people lmao
tame gazelle
I remember now. Okay so she's probably the one panicking and Mendez is like "Dude, we can just drop her off at an orphanage, kids say weird stuff all the time!"
gilded mason
lol
tame gazelle
I realize this is not how it happened, but I'm kind of stretching it to make the joke work. Please let me know if it's as funny as I think.
Parangosky: "And what happens when this orphan tells people that he was abducted through secret tunnels by men who did experiments on them?"
Mendez: "...Actually yeah, any society that believed a kid that says that is completely insane."
Yeah, that didn't work. I was trying to do, like, the Satanic Panic.
Oh well, thanks for indulging this nonsense. You guys are the best <3
last anchor
Parangosky: "...true, the best way to lie is to make it big and crazy. I'll talk to Section II, have them spread rumors of the Innies attempting human experimentation. Might even buy us some time..."
(She literally suggested having the S-IIIs get pulled from the Outer Colonies by using the free vaccine program to get DNA samples in Ghosts of Onyx remember)
tame gazelle
I bet that one's getting a rewrite.
last anchor
Oddly enough there was no re-release of GOO
They stopped at First Strike.
Which is a dang shame cause the extra bits at the end were SO worth it
tame gazelle
Found it.
(Coincidentally, "The ORION Project Generation Two" was originally funded for 300 candidates.)
last anchor
Yep.
I will note, its nice to see someone actually trying with their fanfiction, thats rare
tame gazelle
I'm likely never going to write it I'll be honest ;_;
But thank you for the encouragement!
stable flower
Was there a need for the UNSC in the 2200s-2300s?
tame gazelle
They needed a UNSC the first time a ship captain with a decent arsenal got too big for his britches, which was probably shortly after they started putting guns on spaceships.
last anchor
Not even. The UNSC formed in responce to the Freidians and Koslovocs getting uppity at each other and blowing up innocent civilians.
The UNSC came into existance to stomp them out
stable flower
I mean they went 300 years without an enemy to fight (aside from piracy). Kinda feels like the resources they spent on the military could've gone to something else in that time.
unique rune
Well, I mean, for the most part it did.
tame gazelle
Yeah, I can't believe the UNSC was spending so much money on the military when there are serious domestic issues that need settling, not least of which being the fact that the places some of them live weren't suitable for human life
Where would they have gotten the idea to do that from? Where, I ask you, where?! D:
Should I delete that
unique rune
The UNSC was mostly pretty stagnant for those few centuries up until the Insurrection really shifted into gear
It’s like 90% of the canon reason human weapons tech is so primitive in the 26th century for Halo
Heck, the outbreak of the Insurrection was pretty much the only reason humanity was starting to re-learn space combat
dry pivot
Would romance work better in halo if it was for instance 2 new Spartan characters that got together instead of chief and Makee
craggy sierra
I mean everyone knows Chief and Fred were an item already
gilded mason
👏
tame gazelle
I don't feel right shipping any non-IV Spartans ||other than Nicole with Ayane.||
It seems like asking for trouble.
IIs are trained to think of military life by default, to the point that they don't know how to cook or socialize
So I find it hard to believe they'd make exceptions for fraternization. idk
Like maybe experimenting? But not a committed relationship as adults.
unique rune
Well, no, they just don’t really socialize well outside of their fellow Spartan-IIs. They get along just fine within the program.
tame gazelle
Yeah that's what I meant.
gilded mason
Well, we know some are good for it, like Kurt, Maria, Randall, and Fred
tame gazelle
idk it still feels weird to think about
Between the pellet thingy reducing the urge and the way they were raised it would be an exception no matter what kind of story it was. I'm sure you could make it work, but that's not saying much. Chief x Makee could have worked if they were smarter about it.
gilded mason
Between the pellet thingy reducing the urge
The TV show's emotion pellet?
tame gazelle
I thought there was one in the game canon too that specifically makes you less, uh
have less urges in that department? I don't want to mess with the bot's filter
gilded mason
The thyroid pellet had reduced drive as a possible side effect.
tame gazelle
Yeah, that's what I meant.
gilded mason
Nowhere near guaranteed.
tame gazelle
IIIs and IVs just seem way easier to set up.
Like the IIIs, they're teenagers that lost everything and are going through intense stuff with people that know what that's like of the same age?
The CW would buy five seasons of that.
And IVs, I mean, look at IRL olympic villages. 'Nuff said.
stable flower
Speaking of IVs, how did they fail against the Banished?
gilded mason
By dying
dry pivot
Because they’re not IIs
tame gazelle
Also this book I'm reading that was published by Scholastic says their augments need to be recalibrated regularly and they were on Zeta Halo for months
Maybe they sprung leaks
unique rune
because the plot demanded it after years of the fandom going #NotMySpartans or whatever
gilded mason
Because they’re not IIs
IIs would have probably fallen against such odds as well, if they didn't have ludicrous plot armor like John.
tame gazelle
because the plot demanded it after years of the fandom going #NotMySpartans or w...
343 stop throwing out all your good ideas because you had one bad one challenge. Level: IMPOSSIBLE
gilded mason
It would be good for Halo if John just vanished forever.
dry pivot
Yes but it they would not die longer
stable flower
That's sad
unique rune
It would be good for Halo if John just vanished forever.
Let him return for the dating sim spinoff
last anchor
Orca is it cool if I prod you with this in PM
Sure, Im bored
gilded mason
Let him return for the dating sim spinoff
Acceptable
last anchor
I mean everyone knows Chief and Fred were an item already
Ive also seen Chief/Linda. Eagle and Wolf is a good ship IMO.
gilded mason
Eagle? More like a dead horse. 
last anchor
I'd watch a CW S-III show if it was about the Headhunters. The motion comic of the same name was fire.
dry pivot
Ive also seen Chief/Linda. Eagle and Wolf is a *good* ship IMO.
I think chief and Kelly is more plausible
last anchor
There was a time when it was the biggest ship in fanwork.
gilded mason
Not Kelly/John?
dry pivot
My brain wasn’t working for a sec
stable flower
Kelly spit on John. Can't ship them after that.
last anchor
Kelly and Fred was the replacement. The logic was, Kelly was away from John for so long Linda was the more likely one.
Also he carried her dead body with him to Alpha Halo so.
Of course, with ships, anythings possible.
native gale
I finally got around to watching the halo tv show. I totally understand where all of the controversy came from and everything, but personally I disregarded the story (it wasn't very well written) but man I thought it was cool to see all that in live acton 4k.
ancient coyote
coudnt we just get a fully animated show
like starwasr did with anime
or halo legends
or even blur studious
supple kite
Blur was probably too expensive
ancient coyote
Blur was probably too expensive
ya but 20 mins of that is better than 50 mins of the show
supple kite
Hahahaahah true
ancient coyote
besides i heard they payed good money for thsi
after all microsoft
paying blur shoudnt be much
supple kite
Yeh 90mil
ancient coyote
exactly
supple kite
But apparently for a show which is mostly set in a CGI world it could've been more
ancient coyote
ye eaxaclty
like avatar
man i hate it when shows and other franchises do this
like transformers
i wanna see gaint robot car fight
and talk
not some teenager go throguh a mid life crisis
supple kite
Oh yeh Kwan ha wasted like 3 hours of the 8 episodes
ancient coyote
dude ye
i cant understand why audience will consume messes like this
cw flash
super girl
arrow
all are so bad
most of em rely on a idiot plots
where characters mistakes or actions lead to some sort issue being caused or exasturbated
even now with the halo show
versed helm
all are so bad
CW shows
supple kite
Yeh I'm not too sure either, I think it's just to appeal to the general public by telling a story that we've heard before
Like the story's getting predictable now
CW shows have seriously declined, the cgi budget is next to none
ancient coyote
man
im gonna start a kickstarter
to make abetter halo show
problem is i dont live california
supple kite
We've got Stephen Ford doing one now
boreal bane
Can we move this over to #halo-the-series-chat or #933834868637454446. Thanks
ancient coyote
sure
teal sphinx
Why are there marines in halo 4 wearing green in desert and snowy environments
Is green just a standard for the unsc?
craggy sierra
The answer is because they just have a shared armor model and this is hardly a first for the series
Halo 3 does the same thing on the ark
teal sphinx
Why don’t ODST’s get supplied with SPI armour
craggy sierra
Because I'm pretty sure it was still reliant on a several hundred pound portable nuclear fusion reactor to power it
teal sphinx
Jesus Christ
craggy sierra
That's how spartan power armor works for shields
I think they just swapped the shields with camo
teal sphinx
The shields are reverse engineered from covenant shields aren’t they?
craggy sierra
And I imagine whatever space magic is needed to turn you invisible isn't overly energy conservative
teal sphinx
How do the covenant power shields
craggy sierra
I believe that is left very vague even in the 20 years of expanded lore and just hand waved as "they're more advanced than us"
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong
tbh we could probably end up giving ODSTs SPI armor these days since we've been doing research with the elites since the war ended.
But that would probably become very stupid to manage in a gameplay setting
teal sphinx
Ghost recon style ODST stealth game with SPI armour
Need me a tactical ODST game
Physical need
craggy sierra
I don't see that happening unless another studio gets roped in to make it. With the amount of overhauls it'd need to Halo's formula it's be absurd.
craggy sierra
So you'll notice in most stealth games enemies can be insta-killed...Halo is a game where mag dumping a full AR into something with shields doesn't even ensure a kill or even that you'll break shields.
teal sphinx
That’s more of a gameplay thing
The stealth game could change things, maybe even make things more lore accurate
And I mean most shields go down immediately if you stick a knife in there
Don’t even have to fight covvies could be fighting innies
craggy sierra
Shields are still pretty resilient in lore and having any amount of time above like 0.5s between shooting at an enemy and them dying would probably result in a reaction that alerts everything
craggy sierra
Even then, all of the enemy AI would need to be overhauled to account for this newer low TTK environment.
Halo enemies are very much in the same vain as arena shooter enemies. A majority of them don't really have a concept of cover. Some of them are even built around having to circle strafe in open arenas.
craggy sierra
From a writing perspective I wouldn't mind seeing Halo try another squad shooter idea that isn't Halo 5.
craggy sierra
I wanna see a game where like some Spartan 4's get paired with Elite operatives for a story. You could play around with themes of culture and personality clash and give some more nuance to the elites that isn't just a perspective coming from the top of their food chain.
craggy sierra
It's such a superficial difference to me it does not matter. You just wouldn't shotgun a gaping hole into your game by wondering how ODSTs are keeping combat pace with elites while also offering them the ability to have an actual normal personality that isn't a traumatized child soldier.
teal sphinx
The fact that it’s such a superficial different is the problem with 4’s
When they exist, what’s the point of ODST’s
They’re basically a narrative gaping wound
craggy sierra
Not really
teal sphinx
What makes ODST’s unique when 4’s are effectively the new best of the best
humble yacht
There are still more odsts than spartan IVs
craggy sierra
So two things here.
Firstly, Spartan 4s are nowhere near as common as ODSTs cause they are still really expensive to produce
Secondly, Even if what you're saying was the case, yes that is indeed how technology works. New technology comes in and replaces old technology.
teal sphinx
There’s physically more of them but that isn’t my point. From a narrative perspective the 4’s basically have the role that odsts had
humble yacht
The fallacy is thinking that it’s easy to become a spartan iv
humble yacht
The IVs role is not really different from the role the 3s and 2s played
You send in Spartans for dire situations
craggy sierra
idk what you really are saying.
Like are you saying that ODSTs just have an intrinsic value based solely off of their title?
teal sphinx
The only major role ODST’s have played in the current story is a book where the most popular ODST characters got turned into Spartans
craggy sierra
Okay?
humble yacht
I think this guy just likes odsts, lol
teal sphinx
What role in the narrative do ODSTs serve when the 4’s exist
craggy sierra
Why does this matter?
You are placing their entire intrinsic value solely on their title
humble yacht
The odsts were always dwarfed by the Spartans in terms of their battlefield usefulness
That’s why there was a rivalry in the first place
teal sphinx
Yes, but that’s different because normal soldiers couldn’t become Spartans
humble yacht
That’s still the case for the majority of the population
teal sphinx
But now ODST’s don’t really have a place in the story anymore
craggy sierra
Technology changed and improved. Does getting a promotion somehow ruin them?
teal sphinx
It’s not just improved tech
humble yacht
As far as the games are concerned, odsts were basically just slightly better marines
teal sphinx
No? They were special forces. Best of the best. Not just slightly better
humble yacht
You can use odsts anywhere you could use marines
teal sphinx
You can use odsts anywhere you could use marines
But you can’t use marines everywhere you’d use an ODST
craggy sierra
It’s not just improved tech
It literally is. They improved the Spartan augmentations to not have to kidnap children anymore. The Spartan 4 recruits typically hail from ODSTs and Marines with highly noteworthy service records who performed above and beyond during the war.
Is Buck somehow now a bad character because he wears power armor?
teal sphinx
The spartan 4’s have basically become the new “best of the best” of regular humanity
teal sphinx
Effectively replacing the ODST’s from a narrative perspective
teal sphinx
They’re Spartans
That’s the issue
humble yacht
The only thing that changed was the selection process
craggy sierra
You haven't actually said what the issue is
humble yacht
Also please turn off pings when replying
teal sphinx
I have said it several times
craggy sierra
You just keep saying the issue is that they go under a different title
teal sphinx
The title isn’t the issue
humble yacht
You haven't actually said what the issue is
The crux of the issue is preference, at the end of the day
teal sphinx
ODST’s and spartan 4’s are different
Has halo media focused on the ODST’s recently in any way that didn’t involve the ODST’s being recruited into the spartan program
craggy sierra
I don't see what the issue is here
teal sphinx
The issue is that the ODSTs have effectively lost narrative relevancy
humble yacht
They were never that relevant narratively in the first place
craggy sierra
Like...these are just characters in a story. You are making a fuss over their job position and ignoring the actual part that gives characters their value...that being their character
teal sphinx
Because why tell a story about ODST’s when you could write about the spartan 4’s
teal sphinx
They were never that relevant narratively in the first place
That’s factually incorrect
humble yacht
Disable pings please
Why tell a story about odsts when you can tell a story about spartan IIs or IIIs
tacit charm
money
teal sphinx
Because the old gen Spartans are different from regular humanity
craggy sierra
Because why tell a story about ODST’s when you could write about the spartan 4’s
Okay but what is the actual problem with this?
teal sphinx
Normal humans weren’t turned into child soldiers
humble yacht
Yes. They were regular kids. Good genetics, but still regular
humble yacht
Which is a crime
teal sphinx
Yes it’s a crime I’m not disputing that?
humble yacht
It was never a sustainable way of making more super soldiers
craggy sierra
I view Spartan 4's as an incredibly useful asset when it comes to the games from a narrative standpoint. Halo's going to need to move on from Chief and the Spartan 2s at some point.
Spartan 4s offer Halo a way to retain its gameplay while exploring new characters and not having to question how dutch just punched a wraith to death
They are a narrative asset that offers creative freedom for the games futures by letting Spartans actually be normal humans instead of child soldiers. You could get squad writing akin to what Alpha Nine has and not have to wonder how they do things normal humans should definitely not be able to do in gameplay.
There's your point.
teal sphinx
They can work for gameplay but from a narrative perspective they aren’t good at all. The spartan 4’s are just normal people in power armour. They took the least interesting aspects of Spartans and ODST’s and combined them
teal sphinx
If I found regular people boring then why do I like ODST’s?
humble yacht
Bias?
craggy sierra
...Most people consider the fact that the Alpha Nine squad in ODST come across as regular people to be their most interesting aspect. Not that the game starts with them dropping in a pod.
teal sphinx
I have explained my point several times
humble yacht
Apparently not as clearly as you think 
teal sphinx
You can disagree that’s fine but don’t accuse me of bias because you’re just incorrect
humble yacht
First of all
This isn’t a right or wrong scenario
It’s all preference
Secondly, if we are not understanding your point then try explaining in a different way
craggy sierra
You have literally not explained why being a Spartan 4 vs an ODST is an intrinsically bad thing. Like if Buck were to be in the next Halo game would the fact he wears power armor now immediately disgust people who liked him before?
humble yacht
Be clear and concise
teal sphinx
Ok lemme try rewording it
craggy sierra
The armor and job title do not make the character. The character makes the character
teal sphinx
In universe, the spartan 4’s make sense. But from a narrative perspective. It has resulted in less media focusing on non-spartan characters. There has been media focusing on normal people but the vast majority has been on the new Spartans. I personally want to see other aspects of halo reflected in the mainstream that aren’t always focused on Spartans
craggy sierra
People like Buck because he's a snarky team leader who looks out for his people and has what feels like a meaningful relationship with Dare.
The fact that "he's an ODST" factors very little into people's assessment of his character.
humble yacht
Most media has always focused on Spartans anyway
That didn’t change just because spartan IVs became a thing, that has always been the norm
teal sphinx
I know, but the existence of the 4’s means more Spartans which greatly decreases the chance of non spartan stories.
humble yacht
That’s fallacious thinking
teal sphinx
How so?
craggy sierra
In universe, the spartan 4’s make sense. But from a narrative perspective. It ha...
The thing is that when Spartan 4's have the emotional capacity to fill more diverse story roles as opposed to just strictly stoic trauma victims, then why is that a problem?
The armor doesn't make the man.
teal sphinx
Not all old gen Spartans are stoic trauma victims
humble yacht
The numbers of a certain type of character within the universe doesn’t influence what types of stories are chosen to be told
Hell, Bungie made 3 games based around the idea of one guy being the last of his kind
teal sphinx
Chief is the full protagonist of the franchise. Mans kinda important
humble yacht
Now you’re missing the point, lol
If 343 wants to contract an author to make a story about non Spartans, they can. It doesn’t matter how prevalent Spartans are in the universe
Hell, divine wind mostly focused on Veta Lopis and Castor
The Ferrets were mostly ancillary
The bigger influence on what stories they choose to tell is what their impression of what the majority of the community wants to see
And it tends to be that the majority want to see stories about Spartans. Hence, that’s what you get most of the time
craggy sierra
Anyways going back to the original conceit that started this debacle, S4's and Elites teaming up. S4's are actually people who've lived most their lives as normal people and probably still do when they take off their armor. They understand life outside of service and the intricacies of humanity's own culture, something that Spartan 2's are probably a bit tone deaf on.
You could do a lot by pairing those personalities together for a story. Cause most servicemen and women probably have their own intrinsic reasons for enlisting and even taking on SIV augments. Elites on the other hand enlist because it's what their culture's focus on honor demands they must do and since the human covenant war ended, that stance has turned almost their entire race into kinslayers over religious schism.
I feel like pairing lower ranking elites with some S4's for like a game story could have a lot of really good potential for exploring those types of issues.
humble yacht
Outcasts is similar to what you’re asking for
craggy sierra
Yes but I want it in a medium with moving pictures and maybe some agency over the shooting
I'd say it's good squad shooter material
And like I said earlier, there's your merit for S4's right there. You can't really pair ODSTs with elites in a gameplay setting and have it make sense that you can keep combat pace and previously existing spartan generations really wouldn't have much to say on the subject because they are literally products of military indoctrination fighting on behalf of causes they probably don't even care to fully process.
humble yacht
Well
I imagine a die hard fan of odsts wouldn’t be too concerned about the logistics of that sort of experience
Just like they didn’t really mind being able to shrug off plasma fire with “stamina”
craggy sierra
Maybe the issue is that the most interesting stories the Halo universe can offer right now involves factions that all wear power armor.
humble yacht
Divine wind was pretty interesting and there wasn’t really power armor. Except for the prelate
Certainly gameplay experiences benefit from characters in power armor
craggy sierra
Just like they didn’t really mind being able to shrug off plasma fire with “stam...
I think that is what lead to the S4s. Like it was kinda shrugged off back in ODST cause people understandably perceived it as a spin off game built as an almost expansion on Halo 3's tech but if you wanted to move off to characters besides chief for games in the future I doubt that mentality would withstand in mainline entries.
native gale
My favorite book series were the forerunner saga and the kilo 5 trilogy. I guess technically the forerunners count as power armor characters but it's a different formula than the typical halo story
craggy sierra
I think that is what lead to the S4s. Like it was kinda shrugged off back in ODS...
Hell wasn't the entire thing with Noble team having shields in Halo Reach like a retcon done for this exact reason?
versed helm
Tbh they could also give some other SII a bit of spotlight in the games.
Idk use Naomi, she's fun.
Allow the player to make some OC SII from the still unused numbers
craggy sierra
There's really not that many of them left
versed helm
Not really?
humble yacht
There never were that many IIs to begin with and most (if not all) of them are accounted for
Since it’s fiction you can always just make new ones but it would be weird to introduce a SII so late
versed helm
Naomi
Grey Team
Red Team
Blue Team
Omega Team
Maria (retired)
Cass (in medical service)
Joseph has no lore
Between 116 and 124 have little to no lore
Though there are like minus four dead that don't have numbers listed
Plus the three canon equivalents of Silver Team that 343 apparently DOES have written but didn't use yet lmao
There's like a solid 29 not dead SIIs still around
teal sphinx
Remember when they killed four sII’s in one go
craggy sierra
Death comes for us all.
teal sphinx
That’s a very accurate assessment
versed helm
I mean
yeah sure Didact can kill a spartan II team, he is that OP
but do we really need to waste those characters - mind you, quite liked by the fans - on a very subpar story?
In which their death adds literally nothing but "Look how OP THIS GUYS IS LOOOOOOOOOL"
No, we do not
teal sphinx
The whole point of the story was to basically get rid of the didact
Who’s meant to be this super important lore character
But nah just
Get rid of him
We need to make a game about AI’s n stuff
Because THATS what we all care about
versed helm
It is kinda funny to me, as mostly do not enjoy Reed's writing
but I liked Rossbach's World a fair bit lol
versed helm
Brian Reed is the guy who wrote the arc where Black Team died
he also was the lead writer for Guardians
craggy sierra
Part of me feels like reed became a bit of a fall guy. One of the major issues people have with H5 was that it just killed Jul and axed the story that Spartan Ops was setting up.
And Reed was the lead writer for that
I don't feel like he did those things willingly
last anchor
Probably not if I had to guess.
People also blame Karen Traviss for what happened in Glasslands with Halsey but I get the feeling someone else asked her to do it that way
Or at least gave her the direction to take it in
versed helm
Unlikely
if you read Traviss'es (Traviss's? Travis's?) SW books, when she get's a hateboner for something, she goes all in.
Halsey just got her Jedi treatment
stable flower
Eek
last anchor
I remember, yes.
Im just wondering if 343 told her to do that, or if they gave her free reign and had to work around Traviss's work.
Since Halsey's a criminal by the time of H4 so
gilded mason
Since Halsey's a criminal by the time of H4 so
343 probably just gave Traviss an overall outline of specific plot events that should happen in the books, with her filling in the blanks with her own ideas on the specifics and characterization.
last anchor
That sounds pretty standard
humble yacht
I imagine that authors aren’t given 100% free reign. But it makes sense that different people would characterize different characters differently
versed helm
That reminds me
Who do you think is manupulating the other Sanghelli group in Outcasts
Given that it is Denning's book, I'd wager it's the good ol Prophets
vale mountain
Part of me feels like reed became a bit of a fall guy. One of the major issues p...
Jul after being killed in level 1
stable flower
I remember Atriox was to be in one novel, but 343 told the author to change him to another Brute
dawn lance
How did sergeant Johnson survive the flood in halo CE?
gilded mason
How did sergeant Johnson survive the flood in halo CE?
He was skilled enough to not let any infection form get the chance to pierce him.
dawn lance
But what about the pod infector that got ahold of him?
gilded mason
He wrestled it off of himself before it could do anything
dawn lance
That is impressive
If you went to halo outpost discovery it had a life sized pod infector and it was huge
humble yacht
he was a spartan 1, after all
gilded mason
Those are inside the infection forms
humble yacht
i think you mean spores
dawn lance
Yeah that
humble yacht
he probably just avoided areas with airborne spores
gilded mason
Talking about this made me reread "Breaking Quarantine", the CE comic regarding this, and man, I love CE's art direction.
dawn lance
One other question about Johnson. In one of the final cutscenes in CE you see Johnson fighting an elite. At that moment is when chief starts the detonation of pillar of autumn. How could he have reacted in time and find a pelican and get out of there
gilded mason
you see Johnson fighting an elite.
That was an easter egg/joke ending, my dude
Considering it was a pretty comical scene.
dawn lance
Oh then I must have been lucky to got it on my first ply through
gilded mason
You get it for doing Legendary.
humble yacht
he boarded a pelican with some other marines
gilded mason
Yup
humble yacht
chief found the pelican in the ring's rubble and they escaped to and hijacked a covenant ship and then returned to reach
dawn lance
Returned to reach? But it was glassed why would they possibly go there. And also he found a pelican in the rubble? Chief used a saber to escape the ring
gilded mason
The pelican was hiding in the rubble after the ring was destroyed
And Reach wasn't fully glassed
humble yacht
Chief also escaped in a Longsword, not a Sabre
dawn lance
I’m sorry but I need an explanation on this pelican. Who was in the pelican? Why did he go back to the ring? Why look for a pelican and not search for forerunner information?
dawn lance
Chief also escaped in a Longsword, not a Sabre
My bad on that
humble yacht
The pelican put out a UNSC distress signal that Cortana picked up
dawn lance
And who was in it?
humble yacht
Johnson, some marines, and iirc Linda's cryo pod
dawn lance
Why didn’t Johnson just fly off the ring?
humble yacht
pelican's aren't rated for long space travel
dawn lance
Oh I guess they don’t have Slipspace drives
gilded mason
Johnson's pelican escaped the ring, the ring then exploded, they then hid in the rubble trying to think of what to do now. and then Cortana found them
dawn lance
Where do you learn about this?
gilded mason
First Strike
humble yacht
a book
dawn lance
First Strike
Thanks. I will read that after I finish primordial and new blood
humble yacht
you're choosing an odd order to read novels in
gilded mason
Release order
humble yacht
well it depends on whose stories you're interested
dawn lance
So far I have read fall of reach, cryptum, 3/4 primordium, and none of new blood
I would like to learn about Johnson
humble yacht
i'd say finish primordium then read silentium to finish off the Forerunner saga
dawn lance
And ODST
humble yacht
if you want to know about johnson then Contact Harvest
dawn lance
i'd say finish primordium then read silentium to finish off the Forerunner saga
I ordered Silentium 2 days ago
Ok
humble yacht
ok then you've got time to finish primordium
but it'll probably be weird to go to another story arc before finishing the forerunner trilogy
different writing styles, different settings, different everything
dawn lance
I can’t wait to learn about offensive bias and the didact in Silentium
I was so sad when ||Gameplar|| died
And how do you pronounce their name?
gilded mason
They ||obviously weren't a real gamer.||
dawn lance
They ||obviously weren't a *real* gamer.||
?
gilded mason
I was making a joke regarding their name.
gilded mason
I dunno
last anchor
The crew of the Pelican included a Marine pilot, Locklear, an ODST, Sergeant Johnson, and Lt. Haversom (I think), an ONI officer.
Lindas pod was picked up by Chief before he found the Pelican. Cortana kinda just noticed it while scanning the rubble as it was resting ona bit in a way that looked like it was intentional. It turned out it was.
Honestly just read First STrike
dawn lance
Can’t wait for season 2 of the tv show
What if they had a child
ancient tinsel
What if they had a child
Then I’d shove a energy sword down my throat
dawn lance
Then I’d shove a energy sword down my throat
I’m going to swallow a havoc tactical nuke
ancient tinsel
I’m going to swallow a havoc tactical nuke
I’d literally let the worms that make up hunters eat me from the inside outside
dawn lance
The lekgolo?
winged walrus
next jacinth
The lore for halo is amazing up until halo 4 where the flood is suddenly not a threat anymore even though they are still alive on the ark and elites suddenly hate humans again despite being on good terms with the humans at the end of 3
last anchor
The Flood is contained; its still a threat, just not free and operational with a ship with a slipdrive.
They dealt with it at the end of H3.
The Sangheili as a species never united with humanity; one group of them did, a single carriers worth of forces more or less.
fair hazel
The halo lore is amazing. Point.
Imagine billions of members of a species being single minded…
They’re not. Look at how the Second World War lead to the Cold War
craggy sierra
The lore for halo is amazing up until halo 4 where the flood is suddenly not a t...
Yes. Because a several thousand year old religious dynasty that formed the basis of multiple species governments are going to disappear overnight.
teal sphinx
Isn’t sangheilios not controlled by a unified government rn tho
It’s a crazy state currently
craggy sierra
Yeah most of their government was kinda...the covenant. They basically just got turned into the scalie wild west but with space ships.
craggy sierra
The had probably an easier time staying cohesive cause they never had several hundred high ranking frontline officers returning home to say everything they know is a lie.
humble yacht
Paste Cortana’s face over Moff Tarkin in A New Hope
craggy sierra
I don't think many of them returned home at all from the events of 2&3
teal sphinx
I think in hindsight the decision to replace the sangheili with the brutes was a bit of an error on Truths part
cursive bobcat
No duh
teal sphinx
Covenant probably could’ve won if he didn’t pull that move
versed helm
Isn’t sangheilios not controlled by a unified government rn tho
It wasn't the last time we saw em
craggy sierra
The thing is truth knew what he was doing
And he was willingly doing it out of greed
cursive bobcat
Brutes no big brain, they are quite literally just big monke
cursive bobcat
So, doesn’t mean they are good with tactics
Well the banished are
But that’s another faction, not the covenant
teal sphinx
The banished being able to dab on the infinity in four minutes when the ship has fought off attacks from forerunner prometheans is a bit odd
craggy sierra
In the same vein as how Truth let Mercy and Regret die to secure his seat with god alone, he felt his position to be threatened by the elites, threatened by the idea that the Forerunner gods would view their honor and nobility as worthy in equal measure as his dedication.
Grunts were too cowardly, jackals too underhanded and scheming, brutes were too stupid and blunt. Elites were the only other race that would, in his perception contend with him for the glory of the gods.
And that's why he did that
humble yacht
The banished being able to dab on the infinity in four minutes when the ship has...
The banished showed up to zeta in a larger force than the unsc did
And also the unsc wasn’t expecting them to show up at all
teal sphinx
The banished got beat up by a single warship from the 2530’s
More numbers doesn’t always mean easy victory
I think prometheans designed by the forerunners have a better combat ability that a band of mercs and pirates
humble yacht
It wasn’t just one ship
humble yacht
It was one ship, a team of Spartans, and a whole fleet of sentinels
teal sphinx
So the banished were defeated by sentinels
Sentinels are not as effective as prometheans
Yet the banished can pull off in four minutes what prometheans failed to do twice
This isn’t adding up
Also how many Spartans were on the infinity
Wearing gen3 armour
craggy sierra
So there are two things there. The Didact and his prometheans just straight up left Requiem cause they didn't even process the Infinity as a threat.
And Cortana is trying to use the prometheans which are only a finite supply to police an entire galaxy.
She's opposed to composing people
teal sphinx
Why did the promethean attacks on the infinity fail
They tried twice and got slapped both times
Yet in comes the monke boys
And does it in four mins
humble yacht
The prometheans only had infantry forces
craggy sierra
The main thing the Didact was after was just data. He scanned the ship till chief shot AA canons at him and then he left
humble yacht
The cryptum wasn’t capable of combat
teal sphinx
The main thing the Didact was after was just data. He scanned the ship till chie...
They tried again in spartan ops, it was a full invasion of the ship
humble yacht
That was under the command of Jul
Who wanted Halsey
They weren’t trying to destroy the ship, they just wanted a distraction to abduct her
teal sphinx
Promethean infantry is still probably worse to fight against than monke boys
craggy sierra
Yeah probably
teal sphinx
But FOUR minutes?
Unreal
Way too quick that’s the unsc flagship right there
Like say four hours and I would be more willing to accept it
craggy sierra
Look man 4 minutes was all the time they gave the writers to try and bury everything from the previous games
teal sphinx
You can’t even make a good soup in four minutes
humble yacht
You’re buying the wrong soups then
craggy sierra
idk, that canned tomato soup can go fast
teal sphinx
Homemade soup 
humble yacht
Get Shin Ramyun, that’s great soup ready in 4 min
teal sphinx
But seriously, aren’t the banished basically a pirate merc group
humble yacht
Yes
teal sphinx
They aren’t really the same level as the og covenant
Jul mdamas covies seemed better organised
cursive bobcat
But seriously, aren’t the banished basically a pirate merc group
Yes while also being a covenant splinter faction
humble yacht
The og covenant was able to wage a galaxy wide war on multiple fronts and decisively reduce the unsc to basically one last bastion
The banished can basically attack only two targets at once
teal sphinx
I mean they get recruits from all over. A lot of them from the old covenant sure but there’s also a lot of randoms and morons in there probably
craggy sierra
But seriously, aren’t the banished basically a pirate merc group
Halo Infinite's story is two wrongs not making a right. They did to Halo 5 what Halo 5 did to Halo 4
teal sphinx
Halo 4 was good honestly
cursive bobcat
It was
teal sphinx
Even if imo it Goofed the forerunner lore it still wasn’t a bad goof
cursive bobcat
I’m not the largest fan of the gameplay graphics
teal sphinx
Halo 5 and its consequences have been a disaster for the halo franchise
craggy sierra
Yes and Halo 5 tearing it down was a mistake. Likewise, even if it was bungled in a lot of ways, doing that exact same thing to Halo 5 was not the solution for Halo Infinite.
cursive bobcat
5 was just bad
humble yacht
It was ok. Not that great
cursive bobcat
I liked it
humble yacht
Big disagree but you do you
teal sphinx
Fun to play but I was ignoring the story a lot tbh
cursive bobcat
Not huge fan of the one take cutscenes though
craggy sierra
5 was bad but at its very very core after digging through the trash it at least had some good ideas that could be properly explored in a sequel and fixed properly. Early concept art for Infinite depicts a far more interesting story and setting than the one we got.
humble yacht
I give it credit for the voice acting and characterization
teal sphinx
I liked the pilot he was a good friend
Where can I find the early infinite concept art
cursive bobcat
Fun to play but I was ignoring the story a lot tbh
I liked the story
craggy sierra
One of the concept arts for Infinite early on shows the Arbiter seemingly petitioning human colonists for aid in the battle against the guardians with Kelly acting as body guard over the meething and that single scene sounds more interesting on its own than all of Infinite.
cursive bobcat
Could it have been better, yes
teal sphinx
I liked the story
Understandable
teal sphinx
One of the concept arts for Infinite early on shows the Arbiter seemingly petiti...
Bro that’s actually cool
cursive bobcat
I go now
cursive bobcat
One of the concept arts for Infinite early on shows the Arbiter seemingly petiti...
Agree
teal sphinx
Why is a lot of unsc armour made from Titanium
Is titanium actually effective armour?
craggy sierra
Bro that’s actually cool
This was the concept art
https://i.imgur.com/bmCKXeb.jpg
humble yacht
By combining it with other metals you can make alloys that keep the benefits of titanium while making it more malleable
unique rune
It's about as useful as a sheet of metal can be against bullets and plasma
teal sphinx
This was the concept art
https://i.imgur.com/bmCKXeb.jpg
Based and arbiter pilled
What benefits does titanium have against gunfire
humble yacht
Later into the HC war, unsc armor was treated to help heat dispersion as a way to increase defense against plasma
humble yacht
What benefits does titanium have against gunfire
It’s hard
unique rune
What benefits does titanium have against gunfire
...Being relatively lightweight and bullet resistant?
humble yacht
Bullets are made of lead. Lead is soft. Titanium is hard
teal sphinx
Is titanium bullet resistant? And is ammo in halo still made from lead?
humble yacht
Titanium is abrasion resistant
teal sphinx
Based
severe cosmos
Did spartans ever have to go to school?
teal sphinx
They received advanced education during their training
fervent compass
Is titanium bullet resistant? And is ammo in halo still made from lead?
Yes, Titanium alloy is bullet resistant, and yes, bullets are still made out of lead in Halo. The reason we use lead in the first place is because it is a heavy substance, so it can cause a lot more damage to living things. Ammo seems to have not changed in Halo, for example, the MA5B Assault rifle still uses 10mm NATO, which is what most Miniguns of today use. UNSC sniper rifles use .50 BMG (sometimes armor piercing) which is used in most if not all .50 cal snipers these days. And the shotguns still use plain old 12 gauge buckshot.
Although, the shotgun’s ammo could also be optimized for war, but I don’t really know for sure.
kind raft
🐷
teal sphinx
That’s...a pig?
stable flower
The UNSC always being underdogs is getting stale
versed helm
Everyone got angry when they wasn't
bitter oar
Yes, Titanium alloy is bullet resistant, and yes, bullets are still made out of ...
The ma5b uses 556, and the snipers use 14.5mm rounds
vale mountain
What if master chief actually was as tall as palmer assumed
unique rune
Then he would be taller
stable flower
The ma5b uses 556, and the snipers use 14.5mm rounds
MA5B uses 7.62x51mm NATO
bitter oar
MA5B uses 7.62x51mm NATO
Mb it was one of the 2
fervent compass
MA5B uses 7.62x51mm NATO
Yeah this is the correct round, got the rifles mixed up.
night idol
This is something I wanna make sure of, the Fracture armor cores aren't canon, correct?
humble yacht
Fracture armors are outside of the canon
night idol
Cool, thank you for the clarification
last anchor
Yes, Titanium alloy is bullet resistant, and yes, bullets are still made out of ...
Technically, the UNSC's "sniper rifles" are anti-material rifles, firing 14.5mm fin stabalized armor piercing discarding sabot rounds.
The chaingun turrets on Warthogs and on ground mounts do fire the ol' .50 BMG though.
Even 500 years in the future, John Moses Browning does work.
Most UNSC shotguns fire 8 gauge magnum rounds (because no; you dont get to go through that door intact).
The M6 line of handguns uses a 12.7x40mm SAP-HE round
wispy prawn
So I’m reading ghosts of onyx for the fist time and.. ||I’m very sad||
Ghosts of onyx spoilers ahead
||“One last fight, demon. You will die and we shall reopen the silver path.”
“Die?” Kurt laughed. “Didn’t you know?” he told the Elite. “. . . Spartans never die.”
Kurt turned his gauntlet face-up and pressed the detonator.”
||
fair hazel
No need for spoilers but, that was quite a way to do that
stable flower
Glad the Banished weapons now have official in-universe names
fair hazel
I'm trying to call stuff by their pattern names
fervent compass
Technically, the UNSC's "sniper rifles" are anti-material rifles, firing 14.5mm ...
Thanks for clearing that up
gritty gazelle
So I’m reading ghosts of onyx for the fist time and.. ||I’m very sad||
Ghosts of...
Kurt is tied with my favorite S2 other being the goat himself Fred
versed helm
how does chief take a dump
last anchor
Google it, and come back with a better question that isnt a meme.
finite laurel
So is it true how many balls elites have?
gilded mason
No mention has ever been made regarding their absence or presence.
tacit charm
No mention has ever been made regarding their absence or presence.
yet og h2 just outright shows arbiter's man hole
last anchor
Pretty sure it doesnt.
gritty gazelle
So like how consistent are the hunters cannons because they either completely vaporized someone, put them at deaths door or they tank it to some extent
last anchor
Pretty much every depiction we've had of them has them erasing whatever they hit from existance more or less
gritty gazelle
Pretty much every depiction we've had of them has them erasing whatever they hit...
Seems legit
stable flower
I wonder if there's an explanation for Sniper Sentinels
last anchor
Its probably a graphical error.
Or maybe it actually is, who knows.
H2A cutscenes are the canon ones now anyway so.
See; Gravemind depiction.
tacit charm
Its probably a graphical error.
Or maybe it actually is, who knows.
H2A cutsce...
i didnt say whether or not it's canon it's just they dont hide it
tis funny
if you're wondering
it's after the mombasa slipspace scene
stable flower
So is Echo 216 the only active Pelican on Zeta Halo?
last anchor
That we know of. Probably not the only active one period.
Lasky got off ship in one.
last anchor
You know I wonder if Mt. St. Helens erupted again at some point between its 1980 blast and 2560. Thats a lot of time, its been fairly active in terms of volcanic stuff, every 150 years ago or so.
I only think about it cause yesterday was the anniversary.
May 18, 1980.
Probably not a serious issue or anything for the UNSC of course, they have the whole of the planet. But its still coo.
fair hazel
i didnt say whether or not it's canon it's just they dont hide it
Once again that's not true. And keep things appropriate please.
arctic aurora
🤨
fair hazel
Enough please
terse pecan
Are sentinel beams like part of the sentinel that have to be reconfigured for hand use or is it like the sentinel picks it up because they use shock rifles but they have a trigger
stable flower
I too am curious about that
I also find it strange how Sentinel Beams are found in Forerunner weapon racks
wild elbow
I also find it strange how Sentinel Beams are found in Forerunner weapon racks
it seems like in infinite they're a weaponized model that is attached to a sentinel post construction
last anchor
Sentinels are modular anyway since they’re mostly hardlight. Maybe they swapped them out for the shock rifles we see em with sometimes
wild elbow
like I said, these newer sentinels seem interchangeable
terse pecan
Imagine like sniper rifle sentinels or rocket launcher sentinels
stable flower
Eek
humble yacht
We already have sniper sentinels
The ones with shock rifles
We also had the suicide ones
last anchor
Considering they literally cut part of the Banisheds command ship over the Ark in half by slamming into it...
versed helm
I started reading Envoy. God I love Gray Team already.
wet wren
any good halo audiobooks that anyone personally recommends?
pale turret
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa
pale turret
https://c.tenor.com/p_rujkMbrCoAAAAM/phil-swift-flex-tape.gif
the man! HEs bacl
last anchor
https://c.tenor.com/p_rujkMbrCoAAAAM/phil-swift-flex-tape.gif
Wont lie, Im still a little dissapointed THATS how they killed it. I was hoping to see it melt.
Still, cutscenes great, and Isabel gets FULL credit for that kill too. Jerome was just her ride.
sonic lagoon
So did any covenant races before joining the Covenant use any vehicles or starships?
humble yacht
elites
stable flower
Was Cortana really sorry or was she sorry because she got caught?
humble yacht
i don't think she was sorry
severe cosmos
Thats guilty spark I believe?
Theres a lot of then so idk
Nvm that one specifically is guilty spark. But theres a lot of similar looking ones with different names.
strong wigeon
Little blue-eyed British robot balls can cause a lot of trouble
flat wagon
Is the gravemind a plant? or some sort of snake?
humble yacht
No and no
humble yacht
The gravemind is the ultiamte form of the flood
flat wagon
The gravemind is the ultiamte form of the flood
Can he walk?
The lore saids that he manages to escape after halo 3
He's still alive
stable flower
The Gao Republic should be explored more
fluid plaza
Can he walk?
it can move
flat wagon
it can move
Does he have legs?
fluid plaza
Does he have legs?
i dont think it has a specific form
stable flower
Why do people hate the Endless because of their time-warping abilities? First Strike had the main characters literally going back into the past.
humble yacht
we don't even know what the Endless can do
stable flower
I think people just hate them because they're a new species.
wispy prawn
So I just finished ghosts of onyx and what book does it continue into?
humble yacht
Probably Glasslands most directly
Or whatever the first book in the Kilo 5 trilogy is
wispy prawn
That’s what continues it? That’s confusing. Thanks!
last anchor
There was a real life time gap between.
craggy sierra
Why do people hate the Endless because of their time-warping abilities? First St...
No man, time warping is a very very very ugly can of worms to open up a long running franchise to.
I think the hypothesized fan theories floating about Halo Infinite involving it like 2 years ago are testament to that.
You got crap like "what if chief was going back in time to stop Halo 5 from happening" stuff
And with any entity that has time manipulation, you need to immediately ask why tf the conflict was even allowed to start
Cause you can literally travel back and murder the entire family lineage of your would be enemies
My main issue with the Endless, (assuming they're not literally that) is that the writing is on the wall for exactly what they're going to do and it's dull and a worse version of what we've seen.
They're gonna try to fire the Halos and claim the mantle or some bs like that.
The fact that they have been written to have immunity to the rings basically affirms that from the word go.
terse pecan
was the flood destroyed after halo 3 or was it just contained
Also is the blackguard and belos and the medival looking armor and helmets in mcc is there lore behind it or is it just cool looking
humble yacht
Contained
terse pecan
ok
idle falcon
Theoretically, Flood samples still existed on the other installations, but in Halo 3 I believe the Gravemind was eradicated
last anchor
All of High Charity is still on the Ark
idle falcon
Wasn’t the Ark destroyed by the firing of the incomplete ring?
humble yacht
Someone hasn’t kept up with halo since halo 3
humble yacht
If you don’t care, why ask?
woven viper
Prometheans
idle falcon
I know about the Prometheans
I’ve played the first few missions of Halo 4 and I’ve seen all the cutscenes
last anchor
Basically, the detonation of the reactor Chief set off in High Charity only slowed the Gravemind down. It wasnt fully killed until the replacement Halo fired at the end.
That Halo shook itself to bits and threw chunks all over the Ark, ruining much of it.
High Charity, still mostly intact, was sealed off to be dealt with at a later date by the Arks Monitor, who was then promptly murdered by a UNSC/Swords of Sangheilios strike team when they went to the ark to stop it from activating the Halos.
High Chairty just kinda SAT THERE on its own till a Banished team opened the barrier to steal stuff from its graveyard, and promptly released the Flood, which did as teh Flood does and consumed everything in its path
They managed to get it under control, but not before a protogravemnd formed.
So the Flood is very much still a threat.
last anchor
Spartan Locke was K.I.A
We have zero confirmation on this; he was off-ship at the time of Atriox's attack on Infinity as per the audio logs, involved in Operation BREAKERTRIP
woven viper
Spartan Locke is dead
last anchor
Hyperious may have his helmet but we have no clue how he got it.
Considering it looks like someone bashed in one of Hyperious's eyes, my guess is he got overconfident and Locke used his massively expensive helmet as a blunt object ot make him regret it.
wispy prawn
Since I just finished ghosts of onyx am I okay to read legacy of onyx. I bought them both at the same time
last anchor
Yes. Though you should read Glasslands first
woven viper
Beheaded pretty odvious
wispy prawn
Yes. Though you should read Glasslands first
Ok thanks
last anchor
Beheaded pretty odvious
Canon does not bend to your unimpressive interests in a characters deletion.
YOU get no say in it.
woven viper
Hyperious Killed Locke YOU kill Hyperious as Chief
last anchor
Again, audio logs.
humble yacht
Let’s not spread misinformation
woven viper
Audio Logs confirms this
last anchor
Literally the first audio log you find from Lasky mentions hes off ship
He and Blue Team both
Operation BREAKERTRIP, whatever that is.
woven viper
OK whatever...Yeah he was killed during the operation
last anchor
You really want him dead, dont you
Wow.
Imagine hating a fictional character that much
woven viper
NO I love him I was dissapoint he was killed off
humble yacht
@woven viper locke’s fate has not been officially confirmed. Please do not promote false info. It’s fine if you think he’s dead but do not try to claim it as fact
woven viper
You guys complained him out of exsitence due to the backlash of Halo 5 smart guy
last anchor
Sorry mate, but BREAKERTRIP lead him to Cascadia, and he linked up with the Cascadian 305th, which included several S-IV units.
They're running rampant through Banished forces following the events of Zeta, smashing anything in their path with ferocity that makes even the Brutes quake.
This is my headcanon, do not steal
frigid oar
Not every spartan has different armor
you can customize it however you want
its just that hyperius killed a spartan wearing hunter armor
last anchor
I would be unbelievably surprised if ONLY Locke wore Hunter-class.
Might not even have been that. Helmets come off.
woven viper
Right Right just got tired of it
frigid oar
hey did the banished steal any human nuclear weapons on infinity?
woven viper
Took it off hyperious just found it and thought it was cool.
stable flower
Escharum being anti-human seems to be a writing decision to explain why there are no human Banished members on Zeta Halo
last anchor
hey did the banished steal any human nuclear weapons on infinity?
Not that we know of
visual orbit
They dont need nukes when they have a halo ring
last anchor
Escharum being anti-human seems to be a writing decision to explain why there ar...
Also, Atriox didnt exactly trust them to begin with, and following the incident with the Spirit of Fire, most were either eaten or let go.
visual orbit
Even without the main weapon it's still dangerous
woven viper
How long are yall going to discuss this
last anchor
The Spirit got several useful defectors out of that.
last anchor
How long are yall going to discuss this
Days. Months. Years.
The Fandom Does Not Still
humble yacht
How long are yall going to discuss this
As long as they want to
frigid oar
wait did the forerunners ever modify zeta halos fireing pulse?
it was one of the originsl 13 meaning it had a cone dhape fireing snd not a spherical fireing
humble yacht
Yes
frigid oar
bruh i cant spell
humble yacht
Zeta was reconfigured to fire a pulse rather than a cone
last anchor
It fired when the rest of the array did.
The only cone firing one was Omega at the Greater Ark, right? And that was Star Road'd.
humble yacht
The original senescent rings fired cones
frigid oar
more like crushed
humble yacht
The newer rings were smaller and fired pulses
frigid oar
or ripped apart
last anchor
Star Road'd.
frigid oar
surely all the precursors werent in the milkyway or path kethona
visual orbit
Is the primordial precursor still alive?
humble yacht
It’s consciousness lives on in the flood
stable flower
And Cortana was only sorry because she got caught by Atriox while locked down
humble yacht
Wherever the gravemind consciousness lives while having no body is where the primordial is
visual orbit
But where is a gravemind?
last anchor
Domain, perhaps
visual orbit
Nowhere
humble yacht
Domain, perhaps
Doubt it
frigid oar
making it the only precursor artifact to survive the array
stable flower
Unless there's a Flood outbreak somewhere we don't know about, there's no Gravemind right now
visual orbit
Best bet is installation 7
last anchor
Its got Flood research facilities but I doubt they're going to be opened by either side
dawn lance
Are there any books about the sangheili? Or more specifically the arbiters?
gilded mason
Broken Circle has a lot about Elites, and Shadow of Intent as well. None about Arbiters, though.
stable flower
Its getting annoying how a lot of the EU is only told through books.
ocean ibex
Are there any books about the sangheili? Or more specifically the arbiters?
Shadows of intent. No arbiter but it has rtas
dawn lance
Shadows of intent. No arbiter but it has rtas
Alright thank you. Is there anyway I can learn about arbiters though. Like do I learn about the arbiter in halo legends?
last anchor
Its getting annoying how a lot of the EU is only told through books.
No.
A book is a useful thing to have. It fills time during bus rides to and from work or other appointments. It fits nicely on a shelf and is a physical manifestation of the lore in the way a copy of a game cannot be.
Also its nice to literally be able to throw the book at someone whos arguing about the lore and go "see right here on this page it says it."
unique rune
Also I mean... where else would EU material be told?
It's called "extended universe" because it's not part of the main media.
If it's told via the games I don't think it's quite just EU anymore
stable flower
It can be told through a movie or TV show
ocean ibex
Alright thank you. Is there anyway I can learn about arbiters though. Like do I ...
Nah I don’t think the one from legends was ever mentioned again
last anchor
It can be told through a movie or TV show
You mean the one the entire fanbase is ripping a new one?
Or FuD, which was alright, and Nightfall, which most people disliked?
The books have almost always been a viable outlet; Halo just works as a book story. Not sure why.
To be fair it DID start the "tie in novels for everything!" trend for a bit, that Gears followed and even Resistance got into.
Heck, there were prequel novels to Crimson Skies and Brute Force around the same time. I tink thats the "trifecta of early Xbox Games"
The books are just the easiest way to do it really.
fair hazel
Also I mean... where else would EU material be told?
That's what people started calling it...
boreal tendon
I am glad this channel exists
Because I know too much Halo lore
The Halo encyclopedia feeds my knowledge
stable flower
I forgot that Elites lay eggs
last anchor
I mean...yeah? Reptiles?
fair hazel
I mean...yeah? Reptiles?
Aliens. Not tied to reptile tree on earth
last anchor
Reptile-adjacent then?
I swore somewhere they were designated reptomammals.
"Egg laying warm blooded psudoreptiles"
Them having two hearts is cool. I wish I had two hearts
And its not like the normal ones like the Gallifreans or Space Marines where its one primary and one secondary, they legit just have two hearts
fair hazel
Pseudoreptiles, makes more sense. Since it's like, they're similar to repitiles
but not actually reptiles
last anchor
Like polypsudomorphine.
Artificial morphine like substance.
So would that make Kig-Yar psudoavians?
Or maybe psudoreptavians since they have some reptilian features too (like the warty skin)
thin yew
Or maybe psudoreptavians since they have some reptilian features too (like the w...
Birds are broadly reptiles, so it'd be redundant.
boreal tendon
"Egg laying warm blooded psudoreptiles"
Ahem, reptiles are cold blooded
last anchor
Cue the psudo
stable flower
Are Covenant weapons a little too big for human hands?
fair hazel
They usually need to be held with both hands
unique rune
Well, I mean, of course they're too big for humans to hold comfortably. Why would aliens like 20% bigger than humans make undersized weapons standard?
stable flower
I was just asking
last anchor
Depends on the weapon but mostly yes
tawny fox
The plasma pistol is probably one of the only covie weapons a human can hold comfortably
At least somewhat
They just have to hold it like a rifle of course
Obviously chief makes it look pretty easy due to his size and the fact that he's significantly bigger than an average person
tawny fox
It can be told through a movie or TV show
True. But the books are probably the best way to dive deep into the EU.
tribal escarp
The plasma pistol is probably one of the only covie weapons a human can hold com...
yeah i honestly forgot that the elites have 2 thumbs which means the plasma rifle for example would be real weird to operate
tawny fox
yeah i honestly forgot that the elites have 2 thumbs which means the plasma rifl...
Not to mention when the thing overheats and the manifolds pop open to vent the gas build up. I imagine that thing would singe all the hairs on your arm if you weren't wearing any protective gear
tribal escarp
Not to mention when the thing overheats and the manifolds pop open to vent the g...
maybe, maybe not. It depends on how the plasma cooling actually works. Elites shields don't seem to take any sort of damage when their weapons are cooling but thats still a shield over their skin
fierce pewter
It can be told through a movie or TV show
no, just read. TFOR animated adaptation was good but was not the whole story, and the tv series... u know
versed helm
Which Master Chief armor is the best Mark IV, V, VI (2), VI (3), VI (343), VII?
gilded mason
V
versed helm
I like MK: VI (343), but I also like MK: VII, it’s a tie
kindred rain
Hey After I Beat The Game Why Does Master Chief Keep Saying let's Finish this War And After the Credits I Saw Atriox
terse lava
Because Atriox is not dead, And chief is not aware of that
foggy verge
Halo Reach has Mark V and 3 has Mark VI, both of which are my favorite games, but Mark V has the best aesthetics and function to me just based on how much of it's lore we have
What armor combos do you guys have that work well with the given lore?
versed helm
Hayabusa, and EVA are the best to me, Hayabusa’a sleek, oriental design is amazing, but halo 5’s EVA armor is cool
kindred rain
Because Atriox is not dead, And chief is not aware of that
But how is he not dead and why does Cortana/weapon say what next and master chief say lets finish this war
terse lava
@kindred rain 1. He simply isn't, and aa for Weapon and Chief, they have to fight more Banished troops
kindred rain
<@477598899616350219> 1. He simply isn't, and aa for Weapon and Chief, they have...
ok i understand that but if there is nothing else left to do in the campighn then like uhhhhhhhhhhh
terse lava
Because its a lead up to further DLC
humble yacht
It’s called a cliffhanger
last anchor
Apparently those arent welcome anymore
unique rune
Cliffhanger? Is that like a dingleberry?
unique rune
...Did you really think they were going to go with all this "10 year plan stuff" without DLC?
stable flower
If they did, I'd be pissed severely
BTW I wonder who will lead the Banished in Escharum's place?
tribal escarp
Which Master Chief armor is the best Mark IV, V, VI (2), VI (3), VI (343), VII?
Do you mean visually or by specs? cause spec wise its gonna be the VII
unique rune
Chief's never used Mk.VII. His current armor is an update of Mk.VI for the GEN3 platform.
versed helm
Do you mean visually or by specs? cause spec wise its gonna be the VII
Visually
versed helm
Mark IV, VII and VI in order
👍
terse lava
@stable flower i would assume Atriox, as the new encyclopedia that came out implied the Banished on Zeta know he has returned
stable flower
Is it just me or does the Owl look like a mini-Pelican?
last anchor
It is a mini-Pelican.
unique rune
Wasn't the Owl introduced with a description that basically said "looks kind of like a Pelican but with weird little quirks"
royal whale
New vehicle?
humble yacht
guardians looked like owls 😦
terse lava
I miss that, looked far better
royal whale
Can it carry a scorpion?
terse lava
A guardian?
stable flower
I like learning things about the CMA.
royal whale
I wonder, did the United Earth Government ever issued something like a total mobilisation for war against the covenant
Like it would be cool if we are ever to have a 2nd ODST game, we'll be exposed to the true realities of war
Imagine getting access to simplified/standardised low tech weapons and vehicles
fair hazel
I doubt it can carry a scoprion
severe cosmos
Its weird of me to ask, as the BR is a pretty simply functioning gun in halo, but how exactly does a BR work?
i plan to make a nerf version so i want to be as accurate as possible with the systems, granted, its still very different
Im goin to bed so if you know how ping me ig.
I wish you all a goodnight/ day/ evening depending on where you live!
tawdry wagon
Its weird of me to ask, as the BR is a pretty simply functioning gun in halo, bu...
it uses plot ammunition
royal whale
Its weird of me to ask, as the BR is a pretty simply functioning gun in halo, bu...
It's a bullpup, so perhaps looking into guns like the AUG or the L 85 could help
The gun that baffles me the most is the smg
kindred rain
some how i was bypassing the word filter by puting hash tags
royal whale
Like the smg is a weird version of the p90 and it seems as if the magazine doesn't align with the barrel
craggy sierra
Its weird of me to ask, as the BR is a pretty simply functioning gun in halo, bu...
It's literally just a FAMAS rifle with an ACOG scope
versed helm
How did only cover up the flood on earth
cursive bobcat
Covenant glassed it
That was their cover up
B cause arbiter’s forces had to glass it to stop the infection
cursive bobcat
It's literally just a FAMAS rifle with an ACOG scope
There is a little more to it than that, but very similar
craggy sierra
I mean they tossed some extra bits and bobs on for design's sake and the digital ammo counter
But it is an extremely similar silhouette
I believe same caliber too
last anchor
Its weird of me to ask, as the BR is a pretty simply functioning gun in halo, bu...
Gas operated bullpup rifle, standard as most ballistic weapons are in the current era.
Internals should be nearly identical to, say, a FAMAS.
last anchor
Like the smg is a weird version of the p90 and it seems as if the magazine doesn...
Thats the M20. The ammunition loading point is in the back I believe.
Like how in the P90 the front part of the magazine is the spring housing and the little flipper for the rounds is closer to the user.
royal whale
It's from the side from what I remember
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