#lore-and-universe

1 messages · Page 551 of 1

steep gate
#

If it was noble six character I can partially agree with you but there’s only so much you can come up with for the characters player when he’s mowing down 100s of aliens

unique rune
#

I mean, the game exists to hamfistedly retcon a long-established set of events.

tacit charm
#

hot take

unique rune
#

Noble Team’s entire existence and composition is quite frankly strange and a bit contrived, and they’re just sorta forcefully made to be relevant to the “main” Halo trilogy storyline.

#

I wouldn’t care that much if the game’s version of events was better or even at the very least on par with the novel, but it… doesn’t even really achieve that.

#

If they’d fully committed to actually retconning TFOR I feel like it’d have been stronger. But the final product is more like a weird halfway attempt at retconning some parts while trying to retain chunks of the original and shoots itself in the foot because of it.

last anchor
#

This, more or less.

#

Like I said, squeezing new material into Nylunds existing lore and its not the best.

#

Now if Reach had been a sequel, something taking place AFTER the fall...

tacit charm
#

good thing they're both canon

#

cause now we have that cso never engaging the odps at all after being revealed

gilded mason
tacit charm
#

perhaps

#

just saying

#

two days is quite a descent amount of time to attack those odps

#

but it never did

#

and sat above reach doing nothing besides acting as a glorified petrol station

#

also like what fleet battles added to rho's bio that makes this even funnier

frosty ore
#

How does lnos refuel other ships? Aren't they powered by pinch fusion reactors?

pure cliff
#

I mean, it was stated by Bungie themselves that you could toss your copy of Halo: The Fall of Reach into a fireplace.

last anchor
#

Not the best thing to say to the fan base honestly

earnest granite
#

were does the new RAKSHASA core store its shield generator and reactor

sonic plank
royal whale
#

The team was forced or like the story itself?

humble yacht
#

The story

#

Bungie made reach because they were contractually obligated and decided a prequel was a better last game for them to make than a sequel

last anchor
#

They made it and then bolted to work on Destiny…which suffered Activision troubles for YEARS ironically

humble yacht
#

Well it’s not like destiny’s issues were all due to Activision

loud fjord
#

reach was a better choice than bungie making their halo 4 idea, though i would have liked to see their take on forerunner enemies outside sentinels.

humble yacht
#

AFAIK they haven’t published their brainstorms for h4 aside from saying they thought about it and eventually the ideas became Reach

versed helm
#

They should have based Halo 4 around forerunner invading a ring

loud fjord
#

i just think it would have been too early for chief to come back, heck halo 4 felt a bit too early for his return

versed helm
#

And made chief come back mid invasion

#

Like imagine your a ODST fighting this dog thing that shoots disintegrating spikes and your about to be absolutely murdered then here some kind of rocket

#

And a pelican that just got shot down

#

And it crashes infront of you

#

And chief jumps out of the back and starts wiping

humble yacht
#

The rings belonged to the forerunners in the first place

#

They wouldn’t really be invading

versed helm
#

True

#

They would be reclaiming

loud fjord
#

that or you're at some forerunner site being swarmed by covie hold outs and you find chief in his cryopod at your darkest hour

versed helm
#

Exactly

#

I think the "I will be here when you need me"

loud fjord
#

The halo 4 cyborg concept art looked pretty cool, but sadly they never used it.

severe cosmos
loud fjord
#

oh wait i'm thinking of the halo 5 concept art with the semi composed sangheli

humble yacht
#

That would have been a great angle to go with

#

Digitized versions of aliens that Cortana made after they refused to bow down

#

That would have made a lot more sense than her just destroying a planet as punishment

scenic heron
#

The lore for the Fracture armor is wild.

severe cosmos
scenic heron
#

Sure, so, to start, the thing that caught me of guard at first, is the UNSC isn't United Nations Space Command, it's Unified Nations Security Confederation.

scenic heron
# severe cosmos Oh? Care to elaborate?

As well, as other things, the armor and paint's hint towards, such as Technomancy, a more "wasteland" like battlefield than what we had to go through in the games or other media.

#

One of the armors, I'll pull up my game in a second to get the right wording, kinda aludes to the UNSC losing most of it's command capabilities.

severe cosmos
#

Well that is pretty crazy already.

scenic heron
#

"Though its lands are ruined, the Unified Nations Security Confederation fights on in blind obedience to orders from long-dead generals."

Source, Halo Waypoint, "Canon Fodder, Lore of the Jungle"

severe cosmos
scenic heron
#

Plus other little things as well, and this is just in speculation, but I dont think ODSTs exist in this universe having been replaced by Rocketeers.

severe cosmos
#

(Rocketeers) Which was mentioned in the description of one of the eaglestrike helmets…
Ok, that is much more different than i thought it was (from normal gameplay).

I wonder if we’ll ever get a map based on it.

scenic heron
#

My only reason for saying that, is the Weapon Coating for the BR, which I'm Assuming will come in a pack with the Rocketeer, which follows.

#

"Steel Rifle. Check. Steel Wings. Check. Steel Hearts. Check. Prepare to Drop."

scenic heron
#

Correcting myself here, I keep saying Rocketeer, but it's referred to as the Sky Marshal in the game, I love looking at these item descriptions, gets the brain juices going and reminds myself of trying to connect the dots in the lore of Dark Souls, using the item descriptions as a basis, lol. I can spend a lot of time looking at this stuff in game imagining what I'd use when the event starts. Looking forward to it.

neat slate
#

Does anyone think that the layout of the buttons to the halo infinite game zone arcade machine easter egg means anything?

last anchor
loud fjord
#

The fractures and the season eight armors from MCC is making me wish microsoft funded some side projects

last anchor
#

Also, the Kerberos helmet has an attachment entitled "Recruiter's Band" or something similar which basically hints that the war go so bad the UNSC just started press ganging people from jail.

scenic heron
#

Yea that's the idea I had as well, purely anything from conscription to penal legions

scenic heron
last anchor
#

Is good

#

Im...honestly dissapointed we probably wont ever get more info for it.

#

The tiny bits of worldbuildng here and there are awesome to look into.

fair hazel
#

Oh yeah Chimera

#

I was right, in lore the plasma pistol does EMP

#

it says so in the encyclopedia

loud fjord
#

arcanotechnology is a neat term to use

scenic heron
#

Yea I love the Entrenched world, and I wish we had a novel, a glimpse bigger than what we get in game

scenic heron
#

It's eye catching that's for sure

loud fjord
#

i honestly have no clue if alt universe covies have actual magic

last anchor
scenic heron
#

If we just take just the definition of arcane however it doesn't necessarily mean magic

last anchor
#

Also, in Entrenched it seems theyre not even aliens, just some kind of mutants.

#

So perhaps its more psyker powers like in 40k

#

Technology so advanced it seems like magic

scenic heron
#

Just something unknown or mysterious

scenic heron
loud fjord
#

i'm hoping for pulp sci fi magic verse that's a touch of destiny and 40k

scenic heron
#

A Sharquoi to be exact

#

Halo core UNSC has only gone against them like twice

last anchor
#

Could be the same name on a different body

scenic heron
last anchor
#

Mutants are weird. Maybe the Sharquoi in this verse are massively twisted bioforms.

loud fjord
#

maybe the mutants are a version of the flood?

last anchor
#

Same look, same lethality, same weird sonic stuff, but simply a result of being exposed to the presumably torrential radiation and biochem weaponry used to scour the surface.

#

Im gonna have to read through all the coatings now, firing up my Xbox, one sec

scenic heron
#

I like the way you think

fair hazel
#

i read through the items last night or the one before i think

last anchor
#

Its very much a Halo TV show kinda thing.

scenic heron
last anchor
#

Or an AU sorta deal. Im expereince in this from my long, LONG years in fanfiction

scenic heron
#

I like the rocket launcher one alot

#

"One rocket to say hello, two to say goodbye." I think it was

#

The shotgun one was interesting as well, something about Mixing buckshot with sunflower seeds

last anchor
#

Heard about that in a couple of places, basic idea being when you obliterate someone at close range, their death seeds the ground with flowers.
Biologically thats...not all that likely but the sentiment is nice

scenic heron
#

I can't remember the name of the coating, just shut down the game, but it's gold/bronze and silver, the last one in the list for the weapons

last anchor
#

I'll look for myself anyway.

scenic heron
last anchor
#

Lore consumption bEGINS.

scenic heron
#

My favorite

#

I spent a good amount of time reading all I could in game. Inspecting every piece and coating

#

There's also three emblems I would suggest looking at, The Big Red One, which to me suggests through its description, this universe at least went through The Great War. There is a Pelican one which references an Airlift group with the designation of Apple, which is at this time, an archaic phonetic distinction for group "A". Nowadays, it's commonly "Alpha" you'll hear. Finally, there is a Yellow Jacket wasp emblem.

last anchor
#

Yeah, the sniper one says "augmetic infusions"
So, presuambly in this universe the Sharqui are chemically enhanced brutish creatures.

scenic heron
#

That's a terrifying thought to say the least

last anchor
#

Apparently they aren't immune to AMR rounds thankfully

scenic heron
#

It would seem this "Covenant" is much more willing to scorch the ground with Chemical weaponry than the Core Covenant

scenic heron
last anchor
#

Presuambly its due to neither force having left the Sol system.
Since the Sky Marshal gear mentions goin to the moon.

scenic heron
#

Them "Nuking" the moon I believe, and the mention of these Cosmo-neers is interesting

last anchor
#

Yeah, that.

scenic heron
#

Possibly a forward deployed force?

last anchor
#

Note; the Fleur De Lis symbol mentions "nuns with guns"
I dunno about you but the main gun armed nuns I know of are 40ks Adeptus Sororitas.

scenic heron
#

I know of them as well.

#

The way that the Entrenched UNSC is portrayed reminds me alot of a stranded Imperial Guard unit

#

Particularly with what I mentioned before, the armor core's description

last anchor
#

Now that is an interesting possibility.

#

That said, I got that feeling too. Little bit of 40k, little bit of Gears.

#

ALL Grimdark.

scenic heron
#

Indeed, in the dark future of Terra there is only war

last anchor
#

Hmm. Ornithopter Gunships.

#

Hornets in all bu t name it seems

scenic heron
#

You noticed that term as well huh?

#

The way things are mentioned kinda points to an archaic way of describing things, perhaps the great war lasted far longer than it did in our universe and kept things kinda socially locked to that era?

#

Kinda shooting in the dark though

last anchor
#

The armor does feel that way.

#

Perhaps it started, and then just...continued. Endlessly. The forces of the two sides fighting first each other, and then the Covenant when it rose from the chemical wastes.

#

Honestly, Im gonna headcanon that its the Leviathan universe by Scott Westerfeld.

#

Deryn Sharp didnt stop the war; she only delayed it. And in result, produced terrifying noew forms of suffering.

scenic heron
#

Speaking of "Dark", one of the visors mentions, The covanent believing they ruled the dark, I'm paraphrasing, of course, what do you make of that?

last anchor
#

Perhaps they have enhanced night vision

loud fjord
#

maybe the darkness of space?

humble yacht
#

Mostly

scenic heron
last anchor
#

A possibility, though Im wondering if maybe it came from outside.

scenic heron
humble yacht
#

…

last anchor
#

Some of the stuff in Tenrai mentions the possibility Jorge survived the slipbombing of the Long Night of Solace and ended up in that universe.

humble yacht
#

It was a joke. I was referencing Aliens

last anchor
#

Also, the name "Night Witches" is a direct reference to a bomber group of WWII

#

I think theres an armor color for it? One sec

#

Yeah, blue and yellow, last one. "Night Witch"

scenic heron
gaunt oakBOT
#

To disable the ping/tag when replying, please click or tap the "on" button at the right hand side of the chat box in order to turn it off.
For users on PC, if you hold Shift while clicking reply the tag will be automatically turned off.

O6l6TKF.png
last anchor
#

Ultramarine Corps makes me LAUGH.
Cause thats a three point joke.

#

Ultramarine, as in THE Ultramarines.
The color.
And also, "Marine Corps"

scenic heron
#

I thought of that as well

last anchor
#

Possibly, or some kind of night operations stealth group.

scenic heron
#

Ultrasmurfs lol

last anchor
#

The blurb even says "from the first founding"
Maybe there is something to your 40k stuff man.

scenic heron
#

Maybe, but when I heard of the First founding I thought it may be in reference to "The Big Red One". As that was founded historically in 1917. But I couldn't know rightly

#

Not to mention the Motto of the group reminds me of that universe, "No mission to difficult, no sacrifice too great, duty first!"

last anchor
#

A jag-leg to WWI perhaps.

#

Fascinating. This is VERY much my alley, as they say

scenic heron
#

I agree, compared to tenrai, I am much more interested in this world

#

In probably gonna make a series of screenshots for item descriptions just so I can have access to the lore without opening up my game every hour to recheck something

void lagoon
#

Why does the lone wolf armor core have cloth under armor?

scenic heron
#

Cause it's a make shift armor

#

I would assume after multiple tours of duty without being able to return to a formal base would render the undersuit near unuseable

void lagoon
#

Oh yeah that makes sense

#

Yeah that makes it much more easier to look at

scenic heron
#

It reminds me of an old flight suit or coveralls

void lagoon
#

Agreed

scenic heron
#

It may even be what spartan 4's wear while off duty. Which could help explain why they would have them on an extended tour if it was part of their kit bag

last anchor
#

Im still trying to figure where the powerpack is. Is it powered armor even?

scenic heron
#

The only thing I could think of is under the chest plate

#

But I don't know, they haven't explicitly said it is powered, may just be for gameplay purposes

last anchor
#

Was still hoping we'd get SPI this season...myabe in the future

scenic heron
#

Like the Spartans in halo wars

#

If I remember correctly they wore mk4

humble yacht
#

A spartan in unpowered armor would be majorly less effective in the field. Even if they were using guerilla tactics, their best bet for survival would be to flee or hide rather than engage

#

Mark IV was powered armor

last anchor
#

Not shielded though, technically.
MK V was the first with mainline shields, though of course before it was MK IV (RED) (which is what Red Team in HW wears in the first game, gameplay mechanics that were later retconned into the working line, possibly related to the events of Halo Oblivion with the captured shield module) and MK V(B) which rolled out first

humble yacht
#

Not shielded, no

#

But they got the strength enhancement

last anchor
#

Most of the baseline stuff that became MJLONIR standard, yeah.

scenic heron
#

So it would make sense the armor was powered by something, but what? For that matter how small is the powerplant on the Mk7?

humble yacht
#

A spartan without powered armor basically isn’t going to win a grapple fight with a brute, is what I’m saying

scenic heron
#

I'd agree with ya.

humble yacht
scenic heron
#

It's the only thing capable of holding something that could charge shields and power an exosuit. Unless they developed a small enough powerplant to put it in a helmet

#

But the helmets aren't massive either, so i honestly have no clue where it would be on the Rakshala

humble yacht
#

Also standard mjolnir has a clear connection between the out plating and the tech suit. But the raksha techsuit just a looks so billowy that I don’t see it having the same components as a traditional tech suit

last anchor
#

MK 7s is in the casing on the rear, same as all standard MJLONIR models.

#

As for Rakshasha...Im not even sure it IS a techsuit. It looks more like the stuff on the Eaglestrike gear, more leathery.

#

But even SPI has a techsuit equivlent does it not?

humble yacht
#

Mmmm

#

Maybe?

#

But rakshasa doesn’t even look semi-powered

last anchor
#

Thats what Im so curious about. It must have SOMETHING though, the helmets look MJLONIR grade and obviously connect to the Spartans neural interface

scenic heron
#

But then again I may just misremember the SPI's capabilities. I know it was better than ODST but not Mjolnir

humble yacht
#

The helmet could be powered separately

last anchor
#

Would explain why its so bulky

humble yacht
#

Would only need enough power to support the hud and comms, really

last anchor
#

Shikari has the Patternwolf too, but that might have its own internal system.
Ohhh I really wish we knew more!

#

Why'd the encylopedia have to come out BEFORE this season, gahhhhh

scenic heron
#

What if is common for the power to die? And they have to rely on a backup

humble yacht
#

Please remember to disable pings when replying. And sure, there are backup radio armor pieces but that doesn’t mean the helmet comms don’t work

last anchor
#

They are fighting the Created. Attenuation pulses are very much a thing.
See; the massive work Cortana did to Locke in the ending of 5

scenic heron
#

Oh sure, sorry

humble yacht
#

Mark vii has a backup radio thigh attachment

scenic heron
#

Mm fair point

#

It's always better to have a backup in case of things out of control anyhow

humble yacht
#

Yes

#

I have a feeling that the mystery of the rakshasa armor’s power situation is just an artistic oversight and functionally it’s just mjolnir

scenic heron
#

Speaking of SPI armor, and slightly off topic, wouldn't it have been smarter for the UNSC to equip most marine battalions with them by the time period of Infinity? Was it a cost, or "security" issue? Or was the SPI armor just over looked? As that armor could be worn by everyone, as it only marginally enhanced a person's physical attributes.

humble yacht
#

Was it for sure able to be used by non augmented humans

scenic heron
#

Yea, I'm fairly sure I remember ODSTs field testing it.

#

I'll look up the source though, I believe it's from the Ghosts of Onyx novel

last anchor
#

Someone forgot to put the battery pack on the back lmao.

#

Or maybe it runs off one of those smaller reactor pods that the armor in 5 had, the one with the modular power supply

last anchor
#

Her only augmentations are her stubborn Gaoian will.

#

My guess is that the photoreactive panels make it hard to manufactor in enormous numbers, unlike Marine plate which Misrah can presumably pump out rather quickly, especially if Arms Race is anything to go by

humble yacht
#

Maybe the limit of its production rate could only match the production rate of spartan 3s rather than general infantry

scenic heron
#

Fair point about mass production.

humble yacht
#

The whole point of the spartan 3 program was to have a replenish able and cheaply outfitted pool of Spartans to throw at the covenant

#

But that cheapness was relative to the spartan 2 program

#

Who knows how much more spi was compared to standard marine gear

last anchor
#

They're not capable of yeeting them out of space ships without support JUST yet.
Though with the S-IVs, that day may come soon.

Ahh, to see a cutscene of a Banished officer looking to the sky and seeing what looks like a thousand meteors falling to the planet...then zoom in to see an MSPEC pack carrying S-IV rocketing to the surface, the UNSC vessel above cycling drop doors as fast as possible to yeet seemingly endless hordes of supersoldiers at the foe

scenic heron
#

Yea who knows. It would make sense for certain Spooks to use it for operations, but I agree after some thought it'd be impractical to field a platoon of marines let alone a battalion with SPI, probably for the same reason we don't see marines in halo infinite wearing things akin to ODST armor by this point.

scenic heron
last anchor
#

As cool as that would be.

#

We ARE getting close, some of the S-IV lore gives them Space Marine capabilities.
They cant spit acid just yet but they can breath methane for a sustained amount of time, operate in space with no support for up to five minutes, eat weird foods without issue...all they're missing is the second heart at this point.

#

MK VII does have modular energy shields for protoplasmic aerofoil construction

humble yacht
#

That methane thing doesn’t make sense and I’m convinced it was an exaggeration

last anchor
#

Its from Palmer right? Let me double check the Field Manual.

humble yacht
#

Even if the replaces the lungs with something could process methane, every cell in the body needs oxygen

#

And methane contains no oxygen

#

One carbon, 4 hydrogen.

#

You can’t make matter out of nothing.

scenic heron
#

Exactly, which is why I'd like to see their science to support the idea that they could breathe methane, unless they bioengineered some sort of enzyme that can break down the methane for energy, some kind of weird pseudoscience akin to someone living off of their fat rather than eat. I ain't that smart, but it just doesn't seem possible

humble yacht
#

Whoever wrote than line seems to have a gross lack of understanding about cellular biology

last anchor
#

It is from a comic, so Im not surprised

humble yacht
#

The breakdown of fat for energy is an actual biological process

last anchor
#

The field guide says nothing about it either so

#

It mentions being RESISTANT to chemical attacks but

#

Also some kind of "intestional bioreactor" whatever THAT means

humble yacht
#

Hell, if the body gets really desperate it can actually break down muscle tissue

scenic heron
#

Yea I know you can live off fat, I was simply saying that we don't know exactly what the UNSC is capable of scientifically. Things that seem possible to them, may not be so to us, hence my use of the term pseudoscience, since it just seems impossible with our current understanding

humble yacht
humble yacht
#

But what this methane thing would require is basically redefining the basic principles of carbon-based life

#

You could argue that grunts can breathe methane because they’re alien and therefore don’t need to be held to the standards of carbon based life

last anchor
#

Grunts are weird

scenic heron
humble yacht
#

Maybe grunts are silicon based

#

But a spartan iv is still carbon based, even with augmentations. Oxygen respiration is going to be something every single cell in their body does

last anchor
#

Write it off as Palmer being Palmer then.

scenic heron
#

Am I walking encyclopedia on halo? No, I'm happy to learn more. You learn something new everyday, and think tanks are good, I just wish we had a UNSC scientist here to interrogate lol

humble yacht
#

Now if they want to frame it as a spartan can hold their breath for 10 min or however long Palmer said it was, that’s different

#

Maybe the artificial lungs store a backup supply of oxygen for use in O2-deficient environments

#

But that’s not the same thing as breathing methane

scenic heron
#

Well there's a possibility.

scenic heron
humble yacht
#

Methane is a very stable molecule

#

It won’t bind with oxygen

#

Unless you burn it

digital parrot
#

If a Spartans armor runs out of power, are they like stuck?

#

Like can’t move?

#

Or just no shields coms hud”

humble yacht
#

Moving mjolnir without power is possible for a spartan but very difficult

steady dune
#

i just watched a whole youtube video on how the gravity of the halo rings is generated and im like :0

digital parrot
#

Ooooh okay. Since like it’s so strong and heavy

scenic heron
humble yacht
#

No

scenic heron
#

Well I'm going to bed for the night, I've got a lot of lore to digest, I'll probably have more to say tomorrow during work while my brain is running when the job is slow, till then.

tame gazelle
#

If I had to make something up to justify that, I would say that Spartan-IVs can't breathe methane, but rather can survive on Grunt life support systems in a pinch. Maybe there's some other chemical in the air Grunts breathe, like carbon dioxide and oxygen in our air, and that other chemical is what S-IVs can survive on

#

Since Palmer is incurious and sees being dumb as a virtue, she over-simplifies it in her head.

#

Does that work any better, or is it still not biologically possible, lol

digital parrot
#

Well

#

Humans need oxygen for their body

#

Cellular respiration to create ATP for the bodies cells use oxygen

#

So without oxygen no energy can be created

#

And nerve cells die in a few w without oxygen

#

So would probably be impossible

jovial furnace
#

I'm suprised the unsc hasn't cracked shield tech completely and given it to at least odsts

#

Like just rip it off some elites lol or buy it from some kigyar

fair hazel
#

Shielding takes a lot of power

valid hemlock
#

so uh, what is the helmet commander agryna uses?

burnt pulsar
sonic plank
#

I didn't really keep up with the story after halo 4, 5 or infinite.

What happened with the human/sangheili alliance that came from the great schism? Are they enemies again?

humble yacht
#

Some elites are allies, others are enemies

sonic plank
#

So the elites are split up in different factions then?

humble yacht
#

Yes

minor radish
#

Hi

scenic heron
#

"Humanity is like a non-newtonian fluid; when free, it flows wherever generally making a mess of things. Give it some pressure and watch it solidify..."

A comment from a YouTube video, that remind me of the Entrenched universe. And the UNSC in core, in general.

valid hemlock
#

Yeah nah

scenic heron
#

You disagree?

last anchor
unique rune
#

I saw some people noting it has more similarities to then GEN2 platform than the Mk.VII GEN3 core, so maybe it’s some sort of transitional “GEN2.5” model of MJOLNIR?

fair hazel
#

It's an unknown variant so far.

#

What's the shoulder on the right?

last anchor
#

Looks kinda like Fred's knife one.

#

Wait, her right shoulder, or on the right of the image (IE; under Nornfangs barrel and bipod)

#

Cause her "right shoulder pad" is the same as Chief's, so just baseline GEN III MK VII

valid hemlock
#

Looks a hell of a lot like it

unique rune
#

Blue Team's GEN3 armor makes me miss their GEN2 gear.

humble yacht
#

I liked chiefs gen2 armor but the others I didn’t find particularly interesting

#

Linda’s was especially weird. That helmet

last anchor
#

Argus: do you have enough scopes, the helmet

fair hazel
gritty gazelle
#

Spartan IV’s are over hated

#

That’s all

tame gazelle
#

Agreed.

#

Hey this will sound weird, but what does Spartan humor sound like to you guys? I keep trying to figure it out in my head but every joke I think of comes out too...Whedon-y? I don't know.

#

Like, the kind of quips Master Chief makes. idk

rose basin
#

The consensus is that the average spartan is equal to covenant elite right?

#

I mean I find it difficult to believe they were that good against an enemy so technologically superior, and the impact they had on war should have been minimal. Kind of like the tiger tank in ww2

tame gazelle
#

I don't think it's a 1:1 comparison, since our cultures, mentalities, ways of fighting, and so forth are so different.

#

If you're just measuring physical strength and so on, the Elites win because we had 150 Spartans plus however many IIIs didn't die on suicide missions.

#

The Sangheili have a whole species of Spartans. They don't need to have giant ethical compromises and sink a butt-ton of resources into fielding a single guy.

#

The UNSC had to learn how to fight the Covenant without being able to call in a Spartan every time, so clearly we found some way to not get completely roflstomped, and the Spartans are a force multiplier on top of that.

rose basin
#

I dont know, maybe since every cutscenes I see are spartans totally dominating. Even in close quarter combat, where elites/brutes should have the advantage.

valid hemlock
#

there's a part of the Cole Protocole in regards to that with a fight of thel vadam with a spartan from grey team

fair hazel
fair hazel
#

Lone wolves Spartans would be interesting being dropped in Star Wars

#

Maybe drop one on scariff. That’d be fun

scenic heron
#

Also how do you folks feel about fluff that I wrote up to give an in lore explanation to why war games have been so buggy, would that be acceptable to put that here or in another channel?

#

I'm almost certain they didnt.

gilded mason
#

...Cortana isn't even physical

fair hazel
scenic heron
#

Smh

fair hazel
#

Keep it appropriate

safe nymph
#

Aw... whatever, it's my head Cannon

gilded mason
#

🤨

scenic heron
#

If anyone is interested in my boredom let me know I'll dm it to you. For now it'll just stay in my notes

fair hazel
#

Like. It’s not like multiplayer being buggy is really canon representative

scenic heron
#

No of course not, but I like to imagine it's just the war games simulation program breaking down

fair hazel
#

Someone had said one of the rakshasa helmets looked like shore trooper a bit

#

Imagine like. Confused imperials

scenic heron
#

I can see where they are coming from

scenic heron
#

But confusion would definitely be relevant

fair hazel
#

“Is thay droid one of ours?” gets headshotted

#

The cargo at at showing up would be interesting eith said spartan then

#

Grapple shot it

scenic heron
#

Oh whoops said something bad, I guess,

#

Either way, Stormtroopers armor wouldn't stand a chance against sustained fire from anything a spartan could employ

fair hazel
#

Wouldn’t simply really stand a chance. Grapple jacking the cargo at at though and having the rebels have that vehicle

scenic heron
#

As much as I like stormtroopers armor their biggest advantage is being able to disperse energy throughout the armor, I don't believe it does much against physical trauma

fair hazel
#

Oh right. Personal ai

#

They’re not smart AI but I wonder how well they’d do in general infiltrating systems

#

Indeed.

scenic heron
#

Well, they can hack into mainframes, as seen in the multi-player, but if that's is reflected in actual battlefield capabilities who knows.

fair hazel
#

In the war games simulations. Personal ai try to infiltrate forerunners doors and stuff

scenic heron
#

Same wavelength lol

fair hazel
#

I’m thinking because of the scene where uhhh ks20? No. Wrong number name

#

When he tried to like. Hack the thing?

scenic heron
#

I've had a similar argument with a friend once, stating that if a simple astromech unit could disable certain functions on a star destroyer it wouldn't stand a chance against even the simplest UNSC A.I.

fair hazel
#

I guess the personal AI would do a good job then

#

Wonder which of the available ones should be the one in this scenario

scenic heron
#

The only issue is lack of a familiar interface, may need a smart a.i. on the caliber of Cortana, as she was able to hack into forerunner interfaces, I'm not saying it's impossible for the personal A.I.s to do it, but it simply goes back to the fact we don't know their true capabilities

last anchor
#

Most of them arent volitional so

scenic heron
#

We don't know their skill level in comparison to any a.i. in the UNSC universe, we can assume their better than the dumb A.I. that the UNSC uses to help with targeting and other systems on a ship, but beyond that, we have no clue. As far as I'm aware

last anchor
#

Cortana was capable of doing what she did cause she was a volitional AI intened specifically for infiltration and tactical support.

#

Her job was to do what she did on Ascendant Justice.

fair hazel
#

I think the hacking thing is an indication of potential

#

Definitely wouldn’t be as effective as a smart ai. Like speed. Etc

last anchor
#

They'd be enough for tactical hacking and informational gathering, which is enough for a Spartan in the field.

fair hazel
#

Star Wars cyber systems are just not the best

scenic heron
#

Agreed

fair hazel
#

The fret description is kinda funny and ironic

#

Trained on centuries of battle reports and simulations in order to discern underlying patterns, Fret AI constructs are able to remain eager to tackle the task ahead, despite the chaotic nature of wartime engagements

#

For being very war like. He’s very timid

#

Or maybe that’s why he’s timid. Because he’s witnessed all of that and doesn’t want that to happen. the dying part

scenic heron
fair hazel
#

Fret is so fun though

#

I want fret in real life. Why don’t I have my own personal fret ai

dense falcon
#

Move into Forerunner society where everyone has a personal Ancilla

rain igloo
#

halo has aliens

unkempt slate
#

Yeah in campaign you can see IT aliens

near tide
#

Only the more skilled ones can take on a spartan 1 on 1 and win

#

And even then most Spartans died heavily outnumbered

thorn rose
#

I am only pointing that out because Spartans probably had to have good grammar.

#

Did Spartans have grammar training?

humble yacht
#

Spartans probably did get some degree of basic education (math, reading, science, etc)

last anchor
#

S-IIs got the best Halsey could come up with via Deja. Less just supersoldiers, and more schollar-warriors.

S-IIIs got slightly more focused (but still intensely trained) schooling.

gilded mason
#

Ye, they still got pretty advanced schooling

last anchor
#

S-IVs probably get some additional material since their augmentations make it far easier for them to learn complicated subjects. But they dont really go back to school fully more or less.

#

I distinctly remember in Ghosts of Onyx Kurt getting a report on the Gammas about how they train all day then study all night till they pass out

valid hemlock
#

Huh

valid hemlock
last anchor
#

Yeah, they got the usual UNSC provided education presumably.

#

Im fairly certain schooling is one of the rights the UNSC gives to all citizens.

jovial furnace
#

encyclopidia doenst have stolt
the best character in halo
or dadab

#

why are we still here

#

just to suffer

valid hemlock
pulsar urchin
#

I never played Halo and my friend just invited me to this chat thing, can someone explain the ENTIRE LORE

humble yacht
#

I’d recommend looking up a synopsis online

pulsar urchin
#

Ooooh I think I remember reading about this before actually

#

Damn halo really put a lot of thought into their games

#

I like to read backwards so does the lore begin at book 69?

bitter oar
pulsar urchin
#

Damn.. I don't know how to read

#

Can one of you read me the lore?

#

When does Artorias of the abyss get introduced?

#

Damn 21 is a lot of books..

versed helm
#

There’s 3332 books.

pulsar urchin
#

I've read Junie B Jones in elementary school is that basically the same shit?

pulsar urchin
#

Tf?

#

I dont like odd numbers

#

Can you write another book

#

In the beninging 😂

versed helm
pulsar urchin
#

Idk I guess people scared of profanity 😂

boreal bane
#

Let's keep on topic please. Issues with XBL don't belong here

royal whale
#

Right the grunts once rebelled against the covenant?

humble yacht
#

Yes

royal whale
#

Was wondering if the covies ever ya know just stopped giving them methane

humble yacht
#

The covenant quelled the rebellion

#

They even named an arbiter to handle it

royal whale
#

That was the great schism

#

and that wasn't because brutes got in

#

It's mostly because elites failed to defend prophet of regret

#

prophets decide to replace the honor guard with brutes instead of elites

#

Elites gets mad since that basically makes them below the social hierarchy

#

Appreciate it bro

royal whale
#

If the flood relies on the nervous system of other beings, couldn't the forerunners just build a suit that explodes and instantly kills the wearer at the first sign of intrusion

unique rune
#

I mean, sure? That would be an incredibly small-scale countermeasure with very minimal effect though, so…

last anchor
#

Problem is that the Flood doesnt need a nervous system specifically; all biomass is viable. If it doesnt have enough of a nervous system to work the Flood just converts it wholesale into FSC and then starts producing the stuff we see in Awakening the Nightmare. And things get...messy.

royal whale
#

Should just strap a mini nuke instead at the back of everyone

last anchor
#

...literally what a MJLONIR fusion plant is mate

royal whale
#

A reactor is different from a bomb

humble yacht
#

Reactor can basically become a bomb if allowed to overheat and become unstable

last anchor
#

They call it "stackpoling."

bitter oar
steep gate
#

Lol

fair hazel
#

There's a reddit thread going on about three paris class vs a single star destroyers. A lot of people really don't know the actual power and engagement ranges of star destroyers and actual capabilities. Like, we clearly see it in like, The Last Jedi, the ranges. Also turbolasers bombarding, like in Lothal or Atollon. And how that star destroyer needed to be tuned and so on before it could start to bombard and destroy that city on mon cala

#

a lot of meme responses or surface level but only a few that try and go in depth on that thread

fair hazel
#

also why are people ignoring post war tech advances?

#

I'd really like to see more naval battles in halo novels. That's been very lacking i have to say

#

would be good to include some new post-war or late war ships too

#

in action

pine vessel
#

i summon blue eyes white dragon

clear vortex
#

And depending on the variant the Paris class ships wouldn’t stand a chance

#

at a certain distance a MAC cannon becomes useless

#

They are good at close ranges but Laughably ineffective at longer ranges

tacit charm
#

i mean if you use the new encyclopaedia info on macs (and missiles for some reason) being short ranged and the 30km/s line in fall of reach (it's still there in the re releases which is interesting) then well, even low balling the SD that's still a big rip for those three i presumed paris class frigates

clear vortex
#

If it was a super star destroyer it wouldn’t have a chance

tacit charm
#

all i will say is

clear vortex
#

And if all else fails the SD could just use ramming

tacit charm
#

macs are bellow 30 megatons

fair hazel
tacit charm
#

tks ghost of onyx

clear vortex
#

And SDS also have multiple shields

tacit charm
#

there's also some random book on segorela (that rebels terrorist leader) that saw some star destroyers create a fireball on a planet which extended all the way to the atmosphere

fair hazel
#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7ZZMZzLwNw

YouTube
Spacemonk Clips
Kamino is destroyed - Star Wars: The Bad Batch - Season 1 Episode 15

⭐ Hello there! ⭐

🎥Have fun with this Clip from Season 1 The Bad Batch🎥

Episode 15: Return to Kamino

‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒

🎥 MORE VIDEOS FROM THIS EPISODE 🎥
➥ https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZohe4VS8je5HWKfGmgGLaq-3lPClLLvt

‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒

📨DISCLAIMER📨
➥ All rights of the pictures...

▶ Play video
tacit charm
#

gonna need to check if it's the turbo lasers or the factories that caused that explosion

#

also in rebels would be kinda hard to take rebel prisoners if you just yeet the whole continent they're in

clear vortex
#

Apparently the top speed of an ISD is around 605mph

tacit charm
clear vortex
#

So at long distances it could just move out of the way of a mac

tacit charm
#

now

#

i might like biggatons for SW

#

but 100,000km is stretching a wee bit much

#

unless it was using missiles idk

tacit charm
clear vortex
#

If it was an SSD the UNSC ships would be a ball of molten metal in all of about 3 minutes

tacit charm
clear vortex
#

Does the Paris even have shields

#

Oh yeah and the ISD can field a lot more fighters

#

Like tie interceptors

#

And defenders

fair hazel
#

Rampart PDG

clear vortex
fair hazel
#

Range

clear vortex
#

I mean what is in that pic

tacit charm
clear vortex
#

Oh

fair hazel
#

About that yes

clear vortex
#

Yeah I’m in direct sunlight so I can’t see

tacit charm
#

AmongUsChief then again we dont know wtf experimental shields the raddus was using

#

well

#

we sorta do

clear vortex
#

We should get Disney to just retcon the sequel trilogy

tacit charm
#

i meant more so the shielding process and/or power output

clear vortex
#

The whole thing was a mistake

fair hazel
clear vortex
#

Yeah just go back to pre Disney starwars

#

Or make a better sequel trilogy

fair hazel
#

ROTJ, other movies too lazy to type and then it's TLJ that's the one that confirms rangeeeeeeee.

#

I hope Obi-wan will be good

clear vortex
#

Maybe follow the plan Lucas had for it

fair hazel
#

Looking forward to it. And I wonder when bad batch season 2 will be out

clear vortex
#

They completely butchered boba

#

They made a ruthless person into a teddy bear

tacit charm
#

well

#

also the resurgents

clear vortex
#

And they book of boba fett become madolorian pt2 halfway in

tacit charm
#

doesnt really explain any other weaponry

#

for all we know the first order were stupidly flexing

clear vortex
#

The supremacy shouldn’t exist

tacit charm
#

well i mean

#

considering they never sent in more tie fighters...

clear vortex
#

Why would they pour all of that material into one ship

tacit charm
fair hazel
#

Occam's razor.

clear vortex
#

When they could make a fleet of whatever their ISD equivalent was

fair hazel
#

They said they couldnt cover the fighters at range

clear vortex
#

Making anything bigger than an ISD would’ve been a waste

tacit charm
clear vortex
#

Once that things goes down all of its resources are lost

tacit charm
clear vortex
#

Or take out any number of systems

humble yacht
#

you could do that in the OG battlefront 2

near tide
last anchor
#

Oh no did someone start the Star Wars stuff up again

#

WHY AM I SEEING IMAGES OF LAST JEDI

#

Do I have to break out the "Spartan boarding teams with AI win everything" argument AGAIN

#

...guess not. Oh wait, last post was almost an hour ago. Never mind my existance.

#

That being said, the main issue with stuff like this is that Star Wars fights are based on WWII dogfights and age of sail broadsides for dramatic visuals and cool factor, whereas Halo fights (at least, mostly) follow the basic logic of actual spacial combat.

MAC guns technically have infinite range, because theres no atmosphere in space to slow their rounds down. Far as I remember, momentum is concerved and never lost in a total vacuum unless acted upon by something else right?

tacit charm
#

maximum range and effective are two different things btw

#

so yes, since there's no gravity and air resistance in space that round will travel forever

#

but effective range is also a thing

#

amongkle also if we start delving in the physics of star wars well considering ships can go ftl in real space

#

rip 99% of halo ships cause relativity is funny

last anchor
#

What physics? The Legends one where it said turbolasers operated in the lightning-bolt levels of firepower and yet said an entire star fleet didnt have the power to destroy a planet...and then wrote Base Delta Zero in to say it can do that?
Or the new Canon stuff where we have the "yes-no-yes" of balance points?

#

And ZERO space battles in the books or any media aside from the stuff that got posted earlier?

#

That said; what do you mean by "ftl in real space"?

#

They have maximum accelerations well below C. Hyperspace is the only way they can go faster

versed helm
#

SW >>> Halo
/thread

last anchor
#

(Cue 70 pages of nerd screeching and ridiculous numbers pulled from half-dead wikis, made up outright, or thrown from other threads that covered the same topic)

tacit charm
#

also even in the movies i think it was vader's super star destroyer wanted to travel from the edge of hoth's system to the rebel base, now unless he planned on waiting months to get to hoth itself he would have had to travel ftl. this isnt the only example ill need to ask someone else that but there is ftl in real space

#

well

#

there's also at the end of empire strikes back where the galaxy just spins ftl

#

pretty sure it's confirmed to be a proto star in canon

#

but in legends

clear vortex
#

Is there an in universe reason why bungie and 343 forerunner designs look different?

last anchor
#

Rate doing the construction. Most of the stuff in Bungie games were builder constructs. 4 and 5 had Warrior-Servant material (Requiem was literally the Didacts personal Shield World). On Zeta we see things going back to the Builder ascetetic.

azure cipher
#

What is the largest ship a Spartan has brought down solo?

rich fern
#

I'm confused about the Halo lore. So in the "Halo: The Fall of Reach", the invasion of Planet Reach took place on August 30th 2552, and lasted from from 0519-0647 Hours. But in the game, the invasion lasted from July 18th-August 30th.

#

Is this because I'm reading the original Nov 2001 1st Edition of the book?

gilded mason
#

Even the latest version of the book would be like that, I imagine.

unique rune
#

Reprints haven't changed the date, yeah.

gilded mason
#

Basically, it's a bit hard to reconcile the book and game version.

rich fern
#

Alright, thanks

unique rune
#

You just kinda have to squint and go "yeah okay good enough".

versed helm
#

Okay hear me out they should bring back noble six as winter soldier like figure have brainwashed by oni to be faster stronger and more controllable version of master chief where cheif has to try to bring him to his senses by showing him objects or people that will remind six about reach have him like a terminator where player is scared to fight him but also sad seeing him like this I think this would dope for long story dlc

#

Plus master chief Vs noble six would a fight I would love to see

unique rune
#

That sounds awful.

gilded mason
#

^

humble yacht
#

Brainwashing doesn’t make you faster or stronger

#

Bucky got faster and stronger from super soldier serum

ancient rivet
versed helm
versed helm
versed helm
unique rune
#

Yeah, no, I’m still going with it sounding awful no matter how you slice it.

versed helm
unique rune
#

Yeah and this “experience” sounds bad. Reviving a dead character to shoot one of Reach’s core emotional components in the back of the head for… what reason?

versed helm
unique rune
#

That sounds like a terrible reason to do that.

#

It doesn’t make the Halo universe anymore interesting and actively makes a previous piece of media worse in hindsight.

#

What’s the point of character death and sacrifices if they just get revived for nonsense plots later on?

#

It was already pretty bad when Cortana was brought back for H5 and the Created, and this just sounds so much worse.

versed helm
unique rune
#

ONI already has plenty of dark sides shown without resorting to bring a dead noncharacter back from the grave

ancient rivet
#

Tbh im pretty sure that noble 6 would normally be even more rebellious than chief

#

"But that lone wolf stuff stays behind"

versed helm
ancient rivet
#

Although if noble 6 were to be brought back it probs would harm the ending of halo reach

#

Bungie killed him off at the end of reach to take him out of the equation

versed helm
ancient rivet
#

Would we just see noble 6 in a cryo pod with some oni person saying
"Spartans never die"

unique rune
versed helm
#

That would be perfect set up

#

Build up to his return

ancient rivet
#

Would there be any interaction between cortana and noble 6 as noble 6 was the one who brought her to the pillar of autumn

versed helm
#

Tho she be mentioned

ancient rivet
#

Apologies i dont really know the campaign of infinite

#

In terms of story

versed helm
#

So u can in enjoy to fully

ancient rivet
#

Once i get gamepass ultimate next month then ill be getting the campaign

versed helm
ancient rivet
#

Also it seems like the reclaimer saga has kinda gone out the window since weve got cortana causing madness
And then oni apparently trying to "retire chief"

versed helm
last anchor
#

How in the screaming hells do you brainwash a Spartan

unique rune
#

Arguably they’re already brainwashed

last anchor
#

Thats entirely fair.

#

Mind you the term has become a bit more broad than what it originally meant and it basically became a tagline for "they have no control of themselves and are basically robots", which ISNT what it is...

#

So, I mean, can you counter brainwash? Competitive brainwash?

#

I really cant see it working on a Spartan either way, especially an S-III

earnest matrix
#

so just got my 4th halo book recently Shadows of Reach. what do you guys think about it along with Fractures, Renegades, and Battle Born?

humble yacht
versed helm
#

anyone have a link to vice admiral preston coles story?

#

like a comic or something?

loud fjord
#

It's in halo evolutions

fair hazel
austere stone
#

i took a crappy “halo quiz 10 hard lore questions” and they were so easy i’m like wtf

#

gimme something like “what’s the difference between the d77 and the d79h pelicans” or “why did the pillar of autumn have rhino tanks in reserve but never talked about it in halo ce” or “why did miranda keys have to die such a dumb death”

#

hardest lore question is when the marine asked keys where to go and she replied “to war” where is that location ma’am

versed helm
fair hazel
#

😄

versed helm
fair hazel
#

cole? not really but halo collateral damage is set pre 2552

versed helm
#

do you have a link. i just can’t find any of these online its like a needle in a haystack

#

again thank you for that

fair hazel
#

Are you in the US?

versed helm
#

no

#

my location is classified so if its required then its ok , i can settle with what you sent

fair hazel
#

Uh I don't know but maybe this link? You might want to look up to your prefered store but here's a link

versed helm
severe cosmos
kind cargo
#

The Rakshasa is an interesting armor core and I hope 343 gives more information about this armor core.

versed helm
#

is master chief a alien

boreal bane
#

Knock off the trolling please

versed helm
#

wdym Eridanus II isn’t from earth

rich palm
versed helm
#

also what’s a spartan

rich palm
#

Super soldiers. There's 4 generations of them. Master Chief is a Spartan II meaning he's strong as heck

versed helm
#

what about the guy that nobody likes from the 5th game

rich palm
#

Your multiplayer Spartan in Infinite is a Spartan IV I think

rich palm
versed helm
#

So is he weak?

rich palm
#

He's supposed to be weaker than Chief but he somehow cracked his visor so that raises some questions

#

Johnson from the Bungie trilogy is a Spartan I

versed helm
#

Plot armor

rich palm
#

Not even Noble 6 could survive what he's been through

versed helm
#

that’s cause master chief is better then noble 6

rich palm
#

Debatable. Noble 6 definitely has a following

versed helm
#

Yeah but master chief has a Fortnite skin

rich palm
versed helm
#

It was between chief and kylo i picked kylo

rich palm
#

Get back on topic before someone armor locks a rocket back at us

versed helm
#

why do the grunts run away from me?

rich palm
#

Because they're fragile little things

#

That breathe methane gas

versed helm
#

oh wait is that really all it is

rich palm
#

No they're just not competent warriors I guess

versed helm
#

how old is chief

rich palm
#

49 by the time Infinite happens

versed helm
#

he probably had an aching back through the whole game

rich palm
#

You know how Spartan IIs were chosen?

#

Kidnapped as children

versed helm
#

damn bro that’s tough

#

did they deserve it?

rich palm
#

The Halo TV show, without spoiling anything, kinda goes into that too

versed helm
#

like evil parents or something

rich palm
#

No not really

versed helm
#

were the parents alright with it?

rich palm
#

Dr Halsey, who would later go on to make Cortana, had questionable ethics

rich palm
humble yacht
#

I believe an admin asked to knock off the trolling

rich palm
#

I don't think they're trolling

versed helm
#

uhhh

rich palm
#

Maybe they are idk

humble yacht
#

I think they are

versed helm
#

i’m just asking questions

humble yacht
#

These questions aren’t in good faith

#

May be more accurate to say that you’re memeing

rich palm
humble yacht
#

If you would like to discuss actual lore then that’s fine

versed helm
#

dude i’m sorry i don’t know master chiefs age

rich palm
#

Alright now it's kinda obvious

#

This balloon's cover is blown 😎

humble yacht
#

Rakshasa’s core description says it has a self repair function

#

Where the hell does the armor keep that?

rich palm
#

That's... actually a good question I never thought about

humble yacht
#

And if that’s true then why do Spartans wearing it need to wrap bandages around it to keep it together

rich palm
#

Is it like the bio foam stuff from the books you think?

humble yacht
#

No

#

Biofoam is for medical purpose

rich palm
#

Oh for the armor itself

humble yacht
#

It doesn’t fix armor

rich palm
#

Yeah that makes no sense

#

Maybe at one point it had that capability but now doesn't due to the amount of damage it's sustained?

#

I'd like to think maybe it was a different set of armor in universe but due to the lone wolves theme it got battered and beaten to be what it is now

versed helm
#

@versed helm Watch Halo Mythos on Youtube

#

by Installation 00

native anvil
#

Do we know any exacts of the Summa Deep Space incident? The same little bit of lore that’s included in the description of the EVA helmet in every game

jaunty spruce
#

That could just mean the composite armor plates are capable of regenerating/redistributing the material within themselves

fair hazel
#

Using nanobots

terse pecan
last anchor
#

We know MK VI had it, and that the UNSC uses them for pretty much everything by 2560 (medical supplies on an independant frieghter/salvager ship like the Ace of Spades includes nanomeds for example).

#

Would not surprise me if theres nanorepair systems in all GEN III and offshoot material.

#

Presumably its only critical material it repairs, so if external bits start falling off, break out the tapoe

loud kestrel
humble yacht
#

mark vii def did. but I think the nanomachines that cortana used to change chief's armor came from the cryopod in FUD

frozen lagoon
#

im still a little confused on what caused the new mombasa slipspace incident. was it an intentional bombing of new mombasa by the covenant -- deploying a weapon of some sort on their way out -- or was it caused by one of the many uncommon factors surrounding the incident (in-atmosphere slipspace jump, in amber clad following through the portal, in amber clad not having a destination set, etc)

#

ive asked this before but i cant remember if i got a clear answer

last anchor
#

MK VI had something, otherwise 343 wouldnt have said Cortana used nanomachines to upgrade it.

last anchor
#

Basically it was just "slipspace portal opened in atmosphere, the resulting reaction of air to slipspace energy caused a massive backwash."

frozen lagoon
#

gotcha. so in-atmosphere slipspace jumps just be like that

humble yacht
unique rune
#

Pretty sure the nanomachines were something onboard the Dawn rather than part of Mk.VI. I remember the official excuse including something about the Dawn carrying experimental weapons and tech because of its unique role in being deployed to the Ark or something like that.

digital parrot
#

Hey chimera does it ever say how Cortana used it to upgrade his armor?

#

Like how did she get like a “design” worth upgrading?

#

Or did she kinda use her own knowledge to change it?

versed helm
#

Is cryopod possible?

unique rune
#

You mean like... cryosleep?

versed helm
#

its cryopod where you slept which makes you sleep

#

so cryosleep

#

😂

#

but yeah is it possible?

digital parrot
#

In halo yeah

#

Real life, debatable

#

My biology degree didn’t cover that lmao

unique rune
#

I mean, hypothetically, maybe?
The basic principle it operates on is that low temperatures can slow chemical reactions and other biological processes, which is a real thing.

The whole problem is freezing a living being while 1) minimizing damage to cells and other structures and 2) being able to bring them out of their frozen state alive.

#

I'm pretty sure it's a field that people are putting research into but I don't believe much has actually come of it.

humble yacht
humble yacht
#

The caveat is that you have to be dead before they consider freezing you

#

Also it’s very expensive

digital parrot
#

Yeah, so the reason why we can’t freeze alive people is stuff like, crystals form in the blood of persons causing tissue damage

#

Freezing does slow biological processes but some stuff is just beginning to appear

#

Ah okay chimera, I was wondering how it was happening.

granite hull
#

So i get that apparently all the styles of elites are canon for diversity among the elites but what about…. The arbiter…. He just out here genetically modifying himself each game?

humble yacht
#

Sometimes the games represent things in a visual way that’s not canon due to resource management

jaunty spruce
#

Probably

humble yacht
digital parrot
#

To my knowledge there is a frog that can survive being frozen and unfrozen

#

Due to it having a biological evolution to be frozen

#

Can’t remember it’s name

#

But that was something researchers considered in terms of freezing humans

#

Okay there’s like five species

#

The most known is the wood frog

humble yacht
#

Yea but how frozen is frozen?

digital parrot
#

It’s been a long time since I’ve seen it in action or read an article

#

So about 24 degrees they can survive to

#

By freezing

#

Frogs that live further north can survive longer temperatures

#

So if they can survive freezing 32 f I would think they are completely frozen

#

Heart stops beating and such

#

Liver breaks down glucagon and distributes glucose all over body to prepare it for freezing

humble yacht
#

At water’s freezing temp (32 degrees F), cellular activity is still going

#

Cryostasis usually uses liquid nitrogen which is temps of -320 F

digital parrot
#

I believe the frog drops it’s cellular activity from what I can read.

#

This just surface level though so idk fully.

#

Hence why I’m a nursing major after my biology degree lol

#

I’m not too informative on futuristic stuff too. Cryostasis for long term space exploration is the move though

humble yacht
#

First they have to figure out how to actually resuscitate frozen people

last anchor
#

I never figured I'd hear DMSO mentioned in this server. My mom uses that stuff all the time for burns.

#

We've got a gallon bottle of it in our linen cabinet

digital parrot
#

Yeah! Freezing is easy

#

I think the cellular processes in halo crysleep doesn’t stop

#

If I remember, Keyes or another character remarked how there was like a gel in the throat of people

#

That would feed them nutrients?

#

Over time?

last anchor
#

And keep their lungs from drying out yeah.

#

"Lime flavored snot"

loud kestrel
versed helm
#

What are those towers on Halo rings that shoot blue plasma straight up for?

unique rune
#

Beam emitter towers on Forerunner installations are used for communications and other unspecified purposes.

humble yacht
#

Is that where the cancel beam for the firing comes from?

#

Also when that beam leaves, where does it end up? The ring rotates so if the beam emitters are exactly opposite of each other, then the beam isn’t gonna hit the return station unless the station was set up to take into account the rotation of the ring and the speed of the beam as both constants

quick slate
#

What was the canon explaination for chiefs armor change between 3 and 4?

versed helm
#

Nanomachines

fair hazel
#

nanobots made changes to the armour

fair hazel
fair hazel
#

Sometimes I don't know

#

Also what's the name of the poem hm, meet me in the field where there is no right or wrong

last anchor
#

They disspate into raw data most likely.

#

Maybe the pulse goes up and then dissipates across the whole ring so all viable sites can pick up the data and know things are good to go.

#

If a station fails to check in properly, the ring knows somethings wrong and starts to check what happened.

spiral jewel
#

I need a refresher... what was the in universe reason for 000 Tragic Solitude not appearing in HaIo 3? I kinda want to see some interactions between them, 343GS, Chief, Johnson and Arbiter...

fair hazel
#

He was in the terminals

humble yacht
#

After the fact, yea

#

But before Greg bear, I’m pretty sure the h3 writers intended for it to be MB who communicated with spark in that terminal

dawn knot
#

That's not MB anymore?

fair hazel
#

000 is tragic solitude

humble yacht
#

As far as we know, tragic solitude was first thought up by Greg bear in the forerunner trilogy

#

It’s entirely possible he took ambiguous, opened ended references (like the unidentified AI who spoke with spark) and assigned them identities

fair hazel
#

tragic solitude appears in hunters in the dark after halo 3

humble yacht
#

canonically, yes

#

but you aren't seeming to understand my point

#

Hunters was released in 2015

#

way after h3 in 2007. he didn't exist in 2007

#

not sure why halopedia has his "first appearance" listed as the terminals when the terminal in question doesn't have any identifying aspects at all

fair hazel
#

Mendicant doesnt really have authority

#

more than canonical in real life timeline wise

humble yacht
#

His lack of authority would most likely be due to his imprisonment

#

But he was no longer imprisoned upon his reconstitution. An ai of his level would likely have no issue subverting the systems of the ring

#

Also the AI in the terminal referred to themselves as “all our makers once held dear” or something like that. MB was the prize creation of the Didact and builders, a crowning achievement. Tragic solitude would hardly be able to boast such a claim by comparison

last anchor
#

Im pretty sure it was suppsed to be Mendicant, based on the last terminal.

#

We dont actually know if it was Tragic, at that, do we? Since we know MB got free and helped Chief reach Requiem

humble yacht
#

it was retroactively labeled as tragic

#

not sure where

humble yacht
#

i know why you say he was but i think that line was meant more symbolically than literally

last anchor
#

Thats entirely fair.

#

The ending of 3 is wrapped in a lot of canon-film.

versed helm
#

To this day I wonder who opened the slipspace portal to the Ark for the Spirit of Fire.

#

With 000 and MB dead the list is pretty slim

sharp jolt
#

Cat ear lore is the only lore I concern myself with 🐈

bitter oar
humble yacht
#

I’ll give Dust credit because he was First Councilor in life, but I don’t think that would have been considered “all our makers once held dear”

scarlet hinge
humble yacht
#

Yes I am very familiar with that terminal. I’m just questioning why halopedia would call that unnamed appearance the first appearance of tragic solitude when there is no info in the terminal to identify him as such

open isle
scarlet hinge
#

we list all appearances, not just when they were first heavily featured or named

#

there's plenty of things that were only properly expanded upon in later media that had their first appearance in a fairly offhand manner in earlier stuff

small perch
#

So..Just checking if I'm in the minority here, Am I the only one who really doesn't like Quan?

last anchor
#

Most of the hate at her has little to do with her and more with the show

#

At least from what I have seen

small perch
#

She needed to be put in her place. Her reckless antics got both her aunt and her father's last remaining general killed.
it took a few rounds against videogame chief for her to have a wake-up call and even then we're not entirely sure that's what happened.

humble yacht
solemn current
#

what timeline the halo infinite take place before halo spartan assault or halo 5

#

i think halo infinite timelines starts is halo 4

#

or i think of time paradox brute won against in halo infinate

fair hazel
#

I stilll feel 😁 I was right about plasma pistol EMP in lore

ancient tinsel
#

Bazinga

tacit charm
last anchor
versed helm
#

Well those that bother to put sources of appearance in chronological order.
Halopedia goes by release order in listing that.

bitter oar
last anchor
#

Didnt he only get really filled out in the X-wing books?

versed helm
#

I have not a single clue what that sentence means

last anchor
#

Corran didnt get any attention as a character until Stackpole made him the basic protag of his X-Wing novels.

versed helm
#

Yeah probably because Corran didn't like

#

you know

#

exist until the X-wing novels?

last anchor
#

Same thing basically

versed helm
#

Not really, no.

#

You can't give more attention to a character that appears for the first time because it's like the first time he get's it to begin with lol

stable flower
#

I like how Zeta Halo is a lot more "militarized" to indicate that it's not the same as the others.

last anchor
#

Militarized?

stable flower
#

Judging by the weapon caches with Forerunner weapons, more aggressive Sentinels, etc.

craggy sierra
#

I think that's just a relative matter of prior games not covering that stuff.

last anchor
#

We do see a lot more of the ring in this one than we did 04 and 05, or even the Ark.

#

I feel like the weapon cashes were set up by the Banished.

scarlet hinge
#

i'm part of the halopedia staff team so i can say with 100% certainty that's how we do things too

versed helm
#

Maybe you can answer my question then.
Why do you guys list sources in publication order rather than chronological order?

scarlet hinge
#

because many books take place over multiple periods of time

#

for instance, The Fall of Reach alone has sections set between 2517 and 2525, then various points in2552

#

how would you order that

#

also, it makes it simpler to just stick new appearances on the end of a list

#

rather than trying to figure out when in the timeline it is

#

though to be clear, the list of appearances and sources are two different things

#

sources are just listed in the order they're referenced on the page, which is done automatically by the software

versed helm
#

Yes I meant apperances and now that you mention it, yeah it makes sense.

last anchor
#

Tis the curse of an enormous fandom.
Also, hi Bacon, sup.

versed helm
#

I forgot some of the earlier books have such GAPS in the timeline. Star Wars doesn't quite have that.

scarlet hinge
scarlet hinge
#

plus, the rest of the article is more or less structured in chronological fashion (mainly bio/history sections)

last anchor
#

I mean some of the Legends books have gaps, but for the most part after the movies were done (Before Disney anyway) everything just went FORWARDS.

scarlet hinge
#

then you have a book like, say, Mythos

last anchor
#

We STILL have huge gaps in the timeline honestly, theres sections of the early HCW where "we dont really know what happened here, this was just a year" is basically the entire article.

#

True.

scarlet hinge
#

which literally covers the entire series' timeline

#

tbf sometimes you do just get sections of wars where not much is going on

#

there was the Phoney War in the early stages of the Second World War

versed helm
last anchor
#

Theres the ten-year gap between Ep 1 and Ep 2 when Anakin's training with Obi-wan. Not a huge amount of stuff there.

versed helm
#

Yeah but that's between movies not in a single book?

scarlet hinge
#

or somethign to that effect

#

probably alphabetical though

versed helm
#

So I see

gilded mason
#

What's Cortana gotta do with Flood control?

versed helm
#

When a flood attacks/corrupts an AI, it's called the Logic Plague

last anchor
#

Yeah that theory was dusted YEARS ago mate.

gilded mason
#

^

humble yacht
stable flower
#

I find it strange how Guardians are useless against the Flood, yet they were able to obliterate Doisac.

unique rune
#

Well, I mean, obliterating planets and general destruction on that scale isn’t really that useful against the Flood.

#

Guardians might have some limited effectiveness against Flood-controlled fleets but it’s really not in the Forerunners’ best interests to render a potentially recoverable planet completely nonexistent

#

Honestly the fact that Guardians explicitly have the ability to blow up planets is kinda dumb

fair hazel
#

it's in their best interests to stop the flood even if it means that. Considering they were able to destroy stars

#

It took several guardians. Though there's arsenal that is much better at warfare than guardinas

last anchor
#

Destroying whole planets is and always will be an idea tagged under "The Big Dumb."

#

The point of the Guardians wasnt even to fight the Flood, they were retired earlier than the war.

fair hazel
#

Oh and

#

How is everyone missing that they were connected to the domain

#

And the domain was very spotty

tacit charm
# stable flower I find it strange how Guardians are useless against the Flood, yet they were abl...

now idk if encyclopaedia has answered it yet but the game certainly doesnt, those guardians either have 1/8 the power to obliterate a planet or it's like combining power of friendship kind of deal (you get what i mean). if it's the former then oh boy idk wtf were the forerunners smoking throughout the war. there's also australia or rather that giant bugger hole left behind, that is one hefty amount of energy in order to create a crater that big(according to rama). yet again the game doesnt specify whether this is from the guardians or a unsc ship's fusion reactor/s going off. now it's certainly not the latter cause the closest time we have that was in fractures where osmen stated the frigates exploding would turn sydney into a giant crater and we do have some estimates for how destructive a unsc ship going fusion suicide is in the flood and to some degree in first strike so there's that

#

also as for blowing up stars despite the terminals stating it's standard operating procedures we still dont know what overall process is involved and/or how long.

#

i say overall process cause those new planet crackers got worked the f up

#

or it could be like in halo wars 1 i.e slipspace that ball of plasma who knows

versed helm
#

Hows does a Hull Repair Patch Kit work?

last anchor
#

Slap it on a hole in the hull. Probably uses nanites and glue to seal the gap until you can repair it properly

radiant dove
#

Who’s been containing the flood since 3?

fair hazel
#

The sentinels contained it. Built a hard light wall

#

Some

#

Dome

last anchor
#

Till Voridus broke it.

shut dew
humble yacht
#

That’s because it doesn’t fit with her established goals as leader of the Created

#

It doesn’t even fit with the original purpose of the guardians

last anchor
#

Also its Big Dumb because blowing up planets is something giant stupid evil empires like Star Wars's Galactic Empire does.

And yes I include the two Nova uses here too, blowing up Glyke was REAL dumb

stable flower
humble yacht
scarlet hinge
#

only select parts do

#

escharum has a personal distaste for humans, but atriox largely doesn't care

#

attitudes and recruitment are decided by each clan chief

#

Pavium and Voridus' clan on the Ark had a number of humans in it, though they ended up killing them all after Awakening the Nightmare once they started trying to defect to Spirit of Fire

winged walrus
#

What was the name of the secondary protagonist in the Cole Protocol again

#

That Spanish dude

stable flower
#

Ignatio Delgado I believe

last anchor
#

The owner of Senior Chavez

#

NGL I wish we got a weapon skin of THAT. I guess the one in CE in MCC is pretty close? Black Cherry

shut dew
#

Cortana on the other hand, Infinite made her rise to power look like a gigantic temper tantrum as opposed to a genuine rise to power through enforcement of the Mantle's ideals by the guardians

last anchor
#

Its still really dumb. Planets are valuable.

#

Honestly we see it backfire here too. Cortana did this to enforce her peace, and as a result, Halo Infinite happens

stable flower
#

Peace through violence is never a good idea

humble yacht
#

She should have composed the brutes instead

#

Like she suggested she would in h5

last anchor
#

Brute Knights. AWESOME

shut dew
#

Brutes in shining armor, wooooo

#

And shields

#

Go full medieval

humble yacht
#

I think composed/robot versions of elites and brutes could have been interesting

gilded mason
#

Ye

humble yacht
#

More interesting than whatever Skimmers are

shut dew
#

Battling prometheans on Zeta while actually bothering to explore Zeta's lore would've been great

stable flower
#

^

fair hazel
radiant dove
fair hazel
#

They managed to reactivate the sentinels

last anchor
#

Its sealed back up again, yes. Atriox was not pleased

fair hazel
#

However

#

they managed to recover some very valuable info

#

and they retrieved the holy light and managed to return to the galaxy as a result

small cliff
#

where is 343 industriesn where is microsoft ? Where is Jhon 117 ???§

#

why ths series is so baaaad

#

nothing is good

#

except Dr Hasley who is really good in her character

#

i'm regreting wtahcin this series

#

PS: read the books before making a serie or a film !

#

i'm sad

#

where is my masterchief, where is cortana, where is noble six, where are the big fights, we don't want love we want fight and a ballsy MC !!! goddammit.....

gilded mason
#

This is not the channel for the TV show.

small cliff
#

crap

stable flower
#

So does Infinity like not have internal defenses?

near tide
terse lava
#

Yeah, I don't really see why they decided to go the route of blowing up Doisac. Did it originate as a joke, like tossing Requiem into a star? I would think Atriox would be just as angry if he was forces to watch almost the entirety of his kind composed

thin yew
#

I mean, literally the whole point was Cortana was biting off far more than she could chew. Delusions of grandeur, missing the bigger picture. She may or may not be actually rampant anymore, but it's obvious that the parts of her that survived in the Domain and reconstituted weren't exactly the best parts of her.

#

You can polish a turd, but it's still a turd. Cortana post-Halo 4 is only a shadow of her former self, and I mean that in an in-universe sense.

#

She realizes by the end that she's A. not invincible, and B. been failing to account for external consequences; she destroys Doisac in front of Atriox, he dismantles the hell out of her empire in response and even seemingly kills John to cap it all off, which really makes her finally think about things if she wasn't already before.

#

The consequences of your actions coming back on you and dealing with the guilt of them are among the major themes in Infinite's story.

craggy sierra
#

Boy

#

Wish we could've been involved in Cortana facing consequences for her actions

versed helm
#

Well you get to face off mr Monkey

craggy sierra
#

Instead of that just happening with zero involvement

versed helm
#

in 2059 when the story line continues

craggy sierra
#

That was a joke on how poorly Infinite feels like it wraps up Halo 5.

#

Cortana just decides in a cut away flashback talking to a dude chief's never even met at that point to kill her self

#

Clearly the best villain death in gaming

versed helm
#

343 has the same problem Lucasfilm does
When they screw up, the double down on the exact opposite extreme of the spectrum.

#

Instead of, you know, trying to do good with the current story line. They just ignore it.

humble yacht