lore-and-universe

[urban locust]

Or

[fair hazel]

Galaxy

Otherwise the ark wouldn’t be safe

[urban locust]

Ok

[shut steppe]

Could a marine beat a Spartan?

[smoky meteor]

yo in Halo Wars 2 what do you think happened to Voridus and Pavium after awakening the nightmare? (ik I'm asking again but I wanna discuss this :)

I like to think Voridus was probably ranked down a bit, but nothing to fully strip him of his power as a sergeant since he proved his worth with the whole forerunner tech hacking thing

and Pavium probably didn't get much of a punishment

[main sleet]

they dead

[smoky meteor]

wouldn't it be a waste to kill brutes like them

at least Pavium

[main sleet]

oh for sure

[smoky meteor]

Voridus I'm biased for since I love his character

[gilded mason]

Divine Wind mentions it. Voridus was basically demoted to the lowest spot on the totem pole.

[near tide]

In a crazy scenario

But they’re inferior in every way by multiple orders of maginitude

[shut steppe]

I’ve never played or read warhammer stuff so idk

[smoky meteor]

oh damn so he is still able to get back up again?

nice

Voridus my beloved

[near tide]

Warhammer is insanity

[main sleet]

They should've had those 2 verse chief instead of the other brutes bros hippy and tom

[shut steppe]

Are they augmented like Spartans

[near tide]

Space marines are way stronger Spartans with insane weaponry

[gilded mason]

Theoretically. It'd depend on how generous Atriox feels.

[near tide]

Their sidearms are practically heavy weapons

[shut steppe]

What kinda guns

Any cool ones?

[gilded mason]

Or Let. Since the latter is in charge of the Ark forces now

[smoky meteor]

did something happen to Atriox over the games

[gilded mason]

He left the Ark and went to Zeta.

[smoky meteor]

I've stayed spoiler free from infinite since I don't have the specs to run it

oh

who's in charge of the ark rn then

[gilded mason]

I just said

Let

[main sleet]

whos let?

[gilded mason]

Let 'Volir?

[smoky meteor]

oh

[main sleet]

Sounds like a Sangheli

[gilded mason]

Because he is

[smoky meteor]

ye he's the shipmaster

[main sleet]

o:

[smoky meteor]

didn't actually know his name

I wanna see Voridus work his way up he's a funny brute

[main sleet]

hope he's cool

[near tide]

Bolt pistols fire heavy shots that explode

[smoky meteor]

he can teleport 20 locusts behind your base he's nice

[gilded mason]

For some weird reason, they never actually say his name during the normal game, just in logs or the pre-release stuff. It was really weird.

[main sleet]

lmao damn

[urban locust]

75 caliber

[smoky meteor]

all I really knew about Atriox in Infinite is that he's missing or smth

[urban locust]

He has no backstory

He does

But

No personality

Like esheruhm is an old grizzled war veteran who grew tired of absolute victory and wants one final fight.

[gilded mason]

||Also, he was kinda dying, and didn't wanna die on a bed.||

[urban locust]

Yeah that too

Also I was asking my friends, would you rather die from a sword or die on your bed

[gilded mason]

It depends

Sometimes the latter can be painless, other times agony. Depending on what you have.

[urban locust]

Yeah ig

[fast falcon]

I’d prob go for the bed because then I get to be surrounded by my family and loved ones, and that feels better to be since we live in a society that cherishes bonds, rather than glory and warfare

[smoky meteor]

I like how the brutes have their own idea of what the better death is

[urban locust]

Well, if I’m dying alongside someone on a battle, I’d consider them family

Family is who you make it

[fast falcon]

No but the current family I have aren’t built for warfare lmao

[urban locust]

Fair

Also, is colonel sanders a war veteran?

Cause

He’s a col

[low adder]

Nah he’s colonel of the chicken war between Popeyes, chick fil a, Wingstop, etc.

[urban locust]

What are the alliances I wonder???

[low adder]

Bla- I mean KFC fans…

[urban locust]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[low adder]

mmmm

[smoky meteor]

KFC just turned into the banished eventually

I just remembered actually I wanted to discuss some flood

when you're infected and your combat form dies

would your consciousness go to the afterlife or something?

or are you just eternally stuck in the flood

[austere river]

huh

If you die in Co op to the flood, your body can't be infected right

I feel like maybe that could be a skull

Called reanimated?

[gilded mason]

Eternally stuck in the Flood hivemind, I believe. As long as there was a Gravemind around at the time, at least.

[smoky meteor]

DAMN

so you're stuck there until the gravemind dies that must suck

but when the gravemind dies then you go free, don't you come back since the gravemind transfers memories and stuff?

[gilded mason]

The Gravemind can't really "die", either

Only its physical forms can die.

[smoky meteor]

yeah

so if you're absorbed by the flood just

no afterlife for you

[fast falcon]

Wouldn’t you eventually die from the flood infection technically? Like it would absorb your memories and repurpose your biomatter, but you wouldn’t necessarily be alive and part of it after it uses your biomatter

Unless they’re explicitly using your mind for some purpose like they did with Keyes and Regret

[smoky meteor]

I think it's the difference from it just absorbing your memories and stuff OR absorbing your whole consciousness

either way it's damn terrifying

but that's the flood

[tired terrace]

Your consciousness dies

The flood scours your memory and takes anything useful and basically wipes everything else away

[shut steppe]

I think you go to heaven if the flood kills you

[smoky meteor]

badass

at least you get to die

[steel sundial]

bro arent you still alive when the flood attaches itself or whatever, or was that exlusive to jenkins

[shell mango]

pretty sure you stay concious but have no controll over your body

[humble yacht]

That was exclusive to Jenkins

Because the pod infector that attached to him was defective

[minor bluff]

lore theory: the Ardent Prayer survived the slipspace bomb thing, and ended up in slipspace intact. Jorge conquered the ship on his own, keeping an army of grunts to crew the ship. After, he used the parts from the broken slipspace drive to improve the covenant drive, creating a fracture splispace drive, causing him to end up in the fractures:tenrai universe, if not others.

[unique rune]

The Spartan-IIs may have been smart but I don't think Jorge has the knowledge to work a Covenant slipspace drive, let alone improve one with inferior human slipspace tech.

[ebon coyote]

and we have no way of confirming if that covenant AI Cortana killed was online during the events of REACH so...meh...unlikely Jorge could convince an AI to rebel against their masters anyways...OH WAIT! cortana has entered the chat

but seriously though while Jorge is physically intimidating...not sure an AI could feel it

though it IS an interesting theory

i like it

[digital parrot]

Flood theory is interesting

Hopefully you die and youre not stuck in limbo

Never thought of it that way lol

[smoky meteor]

If you're stuck in limbo then that makes the flood like x20 times worse

As if getting your body reshaped into a combat form wasn't bad enough

[gilded mason]

The Gravemind said it wants the Precursors' creations to suffer endlessly. Hard for that to happen if their consciousness doesn't "survive" inside the Flood hivemind.

[smoky meteor]

Well damn

My poor brutes in halo wars 2 aren't having a good time

[gilded mason]

Though if there's no Gravemind in the vicinity at the time, they miiiiight be in the clear?

[smoky meteor]

Actually that could work like

The gravemind dies the current consciousnesses go free

[gilded mason]

Nah

[smoky meteor]

Keeps the memories when it comes back but they're already gone

Since there's nothing keeping em back technically

[gilded mason]

Since all Graveminds share the same consciousness, it stands to reason that there's some sort of Flood equivalent to the Domain that holds everything, in another layer of reality.

[smoky meteor]

Oh

Sheesh the gravemind REALLY didn't like people

What's even worse is that the flood could be peaceful

It decides not to be

[gilded mason]

The Primordial woke up one day and chose violence.

[smoky meteor]

Thanks forerunners

Rip for everyone who died to the flood during halo 2 and 3

Actually wait if you were dead beforehand and the flood infected you

Would your consciousness be taken still?

[gilded mason]

Probably

[smoky meteor]

I'm assuming not but imagine being in heaven

Then dragged into the flood biomass

Must suck

[gilded mason]

A real downer

[humble yacht]

It’s possible that what survives in the flood hive mind is merely a copy of your consciousness/memories

[gilded mason]

Really makes somebody go "Aw, shucks!"

Possible, yeah. Though of no great consolation to the clone.

[smoky meteor]

I guess better him than me?

[humble yacht]

No but if that’s the case then it’s not like your soul got sucked up by the flood

Which imo wouldn’t really fit Halo as the concept of a soul never really gets broached

[gilded mason]

I love soup

[humble yacht]

Nor does the concept of an actual afterlife

[smoky meteor]

I thought it was an interesting way to start discussion

[gilded mason]

I think it does a little bit in the Forerunner books

[smoky meteor]

Reminds me of the really damn big flood forms in Halo legends

Ones that fall into the forerunner planet

Those were pretty morbid

And awesome

[topaz spade]

Well

After 10 months I read every single halo book

Including the ones I already read

Now I don't know what to do

[unique rune]

Go outside, probably

[stone void]

Apparently some forunners survived

Via the Ark, outer galaxy travel, and like the didact did

Trapped in shiled worlds

Shield*

[gilded mason]

Indeed.

[stone void]

I can just imagine chief going deeper in Zeta halo and he walks in this room and theres a party of forunners and they're are just like who the hell are you?

And or the Didact or Librarian just laughing at him as he fights the endless

What is lore accurate, is chief kicking locke in the balls

Anyways more on a serious note, just imagine how much more terrifying it would be to slowly become a gravemind

[unique rune]

I mean I imagine you'd probably be dead and unable to feel that process that late in a Flood outbreak.

[acoustic aspen]

IDK, Keyes managed it pretty late into becoming part of a proto gravemind.

[fast falcon]

This is pretty much what I figure, because if it copies your thoughts and memories and stores then elsewhere, and the reconstitutes yourbrain matter for something else, then the original you is effectively dead

[gilded mason]

Unless a process similar to Composition happens, perhaps.

[unique rune]

large scale coordinating form for the Flood

able to tap into the Flood's entire information collective

[timid cloud]

It’s the final stage of flood evolution, a hivemind

[tacit charm]

a pain in the as mission especially on laso

[light pivot]

I have 1 question regarding the lore.

How do the Elites eat?

Oh...

[unique rune]

With their mouths, probably.

[shut steppe]

That’s a good question, surely the split lower jaw accommodates larger foods?

[tacit charm]

canon sure, legends oh boy the actual cosmology of star wars just blows halo out the window

[warm acorn]

Would you imagine if the Flood invaded Star Wars universe?

[thin yew]

Halo is nowhere near Star Wars scale, and arguably for the better. It keeps it a little more focused.

[tacit charm]

it can do ok stuff. before anyone brings it up ye i have issue with the whole vacuum energy stuff specifically if such ways of creating and destroying universe can be replicated in the main universe if it could idk why such a feat of tilting a galaxy would be such an effort to you or why destroying well anything such as a star would require a fleet to do so

[tacit charm]

if it's canon rip SW, if it's legends gl dealing with the celestials and *insert the actual god of star wars name here

[tacit charm]

eh it's more focused but also mentions stuff like travelling to other realties in one off lines which is annoying

[thin yew]

In the background as part of Forerunner-level technology and above for use as vacuum energy generation, sure, but that's firmly where they lay.

Though also note that Slipspace has been established from the get-go.

[tacit charm]

ye im not talking about slipspace

im talking about how the forerunners have visited other universes and dimensions

yet this one thing is literally just mentioned once in such a casual manner

[thin yew]

They haven't really, though? Last i checked they're only aware of them and use them for power generation

they haven't gotten anywhere but this universe and Slipspace.

[tacit charm]

and subsequently makes them alot more dumb

[tacit charm]

they have hold on

also

before anyone says anything this book has a tendency to use realities/universes interchangeably

"We have explored other realities, other spaces—slipspace, denial of locale, shunspace, trick geodetics, natal void, the photon-only realm called the Glow." - halo cryptum

[thin yew]

Oh yeah, forgot about those. Just sounds like more Slipspace-esque realities, different sets of physics.

[tacit charm]

also there's this line too
"The Falchion is informed of a high density of enemy vessels arriving through neural physics transmission. They materialize slowly, characteristic of Precursor transit, shedding multiverse residues at a rate that makes them temporarily vulnerable to the Falchion’s immediate response.
The presence of Forerunner forces within this region is apparently a
surprise. So begins the clench. While the re-emerging enemy forces are most
vulnerable, still surrounded by a haze of alternate realities" Halo Silentium

[thin yew]

re: this, they're draining those universes right in their infancy, which then results in early deaths for them. That doesn't mean they can deal with an established universe afterwards which is much more spread apart.

[tacit charm]

ik

but then there's last light

now i need to read the full scene again if to see whether or not Fred did see whole universes being birthed into existence or if it's the same scenario as when the librarian comments on vacuum energy

[tacit charm]

seems a little redundant tbh

also the best feat (well a feat that isnt as ambiguous as stuff like draining vacuum energy that ends universes or precursor ftl shedding multiversal residue) is precursors shaping galaxies

[thin yew]

You could say the same for half of IRL physics, but there's tons of smaller interactions and fields going on in the background nonetheless.

And Halo has been generally more grounded in IRL physics, with the general conceit being "these advanced alien races have figured this stuff out we can only hypothesize about ourselves"

[tacit charm]

actually that shaping galaxies stuff may not even be the best feat since is was insane didact who was saying it so idk how reliable his words are at the time

[tacit charm]

*proceeds to show off star roads
try explaining that with physics (yes ik you said generally but there's a krapton of things in halo that just isnt physics)

[thin yew]

Strictly speaking the idea is there's additional physics, many of which are based upon IRL ideas

The Domain is basically the Akashic Records, for instance

[versed helm]

can someone tell me the lore about how the storm rifle? like how did this thing replace the plasma rifle?

[unique rune]

I mean. There’s not really much.

[versed helm]

but like why they do it tho

[unique rune]

It’s an improvement over the Type-25 Plasma Rifle models and it’s still in production after the fall of the old Covenant, so it’s the gun that remnant groups are able to fill their armories with.

[versed helm]

makes sense

i swear tho in halo the shotgun is the weapon thats seen the most change

[frigid oar]

Pistol

u got pistol in ce then magnum in 2 with no scope, halo 3 had reduced fireing rate and less ammo,

[acoustic aspen]

Hell, even the Assault rifle has generally seen drastic changes in each game... from it's original massive magazine, to halo 3's automatic stapler.

[thin yew]

Nearly each game's used a different model.

[peak sand]

arent there still modern weapons in use in halo?

i saw someone say on twitter than one officer keeps a colt single action new army on him

and someone else carries a desert eagle

and i read on reddit that in a comic civillians arm themselves to fight, and one of the weapons they have seems to resemble an MP40

also on twitter i saw some cut content of images of scenery weapons

with wooden furniture

and the MA5 rifles are chambered in 7.62 NATO

and the halo sniper takes 14.5×114mm which i believe is russian

so i suppose i just answered my own question

[robust sparrow]

The BR along with most of the Small arms are very much NATO inspired with bullpup lower receivers

The Pelican rear gun is also was a Vietnam era US inspired porotype for the HUEs

[peak sand]

speaking of which i found out that Petra Janecek is the one with the colt single action

and a person carries a desert eagle in shadows of reach and points it at john

[unique rune]

Yeah, for the most part 21st century weapons (and older) are privately-owned, personal belongings if they aren't sitting in a museum somewhere.

Pretty sure Fred even comments that the Desert Eagle should be a museum piece.

[solemn otter]

How come in Halo Infinite when the pilot asked Chief if he had anyone special in his life, he said "no"? Does Blue Team not exist anymore??

[steady scaffold]

how do elites speak

I've had this in my head ever since i started playing halo

the most logical way for them to speak is for them to join their jaws and turn it into a mouth

like that one halo legends short

[untold wasp]

don't they always move their mandibles to talk

[unique rune]

their mouths get all flappy and the sound leaks out

[peak sand]

so this means there was at least one farmer on reach with an AK-47 defending himself from the covenant

[near tide]

SW has superior fleets but Halo has superior infantry

[sullen grotto]

i mean the context was more family but i see what u mean

[rotund zephyr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV_WUspniMo @steady scaffold

[haughty crest]

Umm I’m new to halo and I just started playing halo infinites campaign last week and I’m at the excavation site and I keep dying, any tips?

[versed helm]

i know what imma bout to say is a speed runner secret so dont tell anyone

but

dont die

[haughty crest]

OMG

[main rivet]

Not really for this channel

[polar viper]

Nonono let him speak

I'm intrigued

[tacit charm]

i mean that's true to some degree but once you get into someone using the force ye halo is still going to have a hard time and that's not even bringing up the celestial

[ebon condor]

How effective would clone and stormtrooper armor be against ballistics? Cuz if that stuff could stop lower caliber bullets then that could have an impact in infantry battles

[near tide]

Plasma would melt clone armor

Bullets can probably pierce it

[tacit charm]

idk some sources say they work quite well but for the most part we see a storm trooper get knocked out by a punch or two so it's inconsistent at best

[errant spade]

Stormtroopers are no match for Plot Armor. 😂

[fast falcon]

I feel like most UNSC weapons would work decently against stormtrooper armour. Their gear is likely designed to protect against energy weapons which are most common

[tacit charm]

:C too true

[errant spade]

Honestly, I can't stand to watch Star Wars anymore. Idk what it is, but I just have no desire to watch anything Star Wars related anymore.

[tacit charm]

canon is canon... let's just leave it at that.

honestly i just stick to legends

[ruby finch]

the starwars universe is more widely acceptive of multi species factions

so racial traits could factor in

[wintry elk]

Legends cool

[near tide]

Have you seen the empire

They were against all nonhuman specieses

[ruby finch]

exactly they were more acceptive of other races

[near tide]

Opposite

[ruby finch]

if you consider

normal people

like

the republic

[near tide]

The empire didn’t even let non humans fight in their military or become officers

[ruby finch]

Grand admiral thrawn was a non human

and highly positioned in the star wars universe

[near tide]

He was quite literally the only one

The new republic had many races in it

But it pretty much collapsed because it handled imperial remnants terribly

[unique rune]

I mean I feel like the other thing is that multi-species factions don't really mean much in Star Wars
They largely all act pretty similar and have relatively similar physical attributes

Most of the disparities are nowhere near as dramatic as the difference between a normal human and a Sangheili

[shut steppe]

Is halo legends any good

Thinking about watching it

[unique rune]

If you have the time, yeah, I'd recommend it.

Not essential viewing by any means but there's definitely some standouts that make it worth watching.

[near tide]

Yeah

It does feel kinda boring how most races are more or less humans

Aside from Wookiees

[brisk rune]

Why do some people believe Noble 6 is still alive? Also how much was Reach glassed at the end of Halo Reach?

[plain path]

I don’t understand how the theory started

[brisk rune]

I believe it stems from the fact that the Elites stabbing him is obscured, but then people say a bunch of other things too

[near tide]

Someone did some fiddling around with the cutscene and if you see the cutscene from a different angle the sword doesn’t pierce him

[plain path]

I think it is canon that he survived for a short while after the fight but I’m pretty sure he would’ve died from blood loss and/or the glassing

[plain path]

That was probably just a perspective trick and not something they intended to be canon

[brisk rune]

I agree that Noble 6 had a hyper lethal rating and what not, but I dont think he could survive a glassing + the covenant onslaught

[near tide]

Yep

Hyper lethal was pretty much all a marketing thing

It doesn’t mean only chief and Six were the most dangerous Spartans

Chief wasn’t the best, but he was the luckiest

[brisk rune]

On the lone wolf level, if you move the camera around, you see a spartan outside the map. 😱 that means t-posing spartan is canon to Reach

[plain path]

[brisk rune]

I believe the best way of putting it is that "Hyper Lethal" means "it makes sense for you to go through the whole game as this character and not die"

Which would be

Noble 6 and Master Chief

Arbiter was a commander so it makes sense for his combat prowess.

Locke is also there but I dont want a gun pointed at me

Then again neither Locke nor Arbie have hyper lethal status

[plain path]

Locke got close to beating Chief in hand to hand combat

[near tide]

Rtas Vadum is likely deadlier than arby

[plain path]

That guy is scary

Wait I’m thinking of the wrong guy

Sorry

[near tide]

Shipmaster, halfjaw

[brisk rune]

I think of it like this. He was close, until he pissed off chief by breaking his visor

[near tide]

Tartarus was also deadly

[plain path]

That fight was not very well choreographed at all

[plain path]

Yeah

[near tide]

Any silent shadow also are

[plain path]

I was thinking of the halo wars arbiter

[near tide]

Gadogai while in a tunic and unarmed terrified armed and ameires brutes

[brisk rune]

How modified are spartan 4s? I've heard slightly, and not at all

[near tide]

Not as much as earlier Spartans, but their armor compensates

[gilded mason]

Quite a bit. It just isn't as much as IIs.

[brisk rune]

So if I get it straight, Spartan 1s were a test, Spartan 2s are the best, Spartan 3s are a bit more plentiful and a bit cheaper, and Spartan 4s are mass produced and a lot less modified, but the suit makes up for it. Did I get it right?

[unique rune]

Ehh. I don't like the bit about the Spartan-IIs being the best.

Pretty much every iteration of the Spartan program has been a test in some capacity.

[near tide]

IIs are the most effective, but they’re expensive and super immoral

[plain path]

Halsey sucks I hate her

[unique rune]

Orion was the proof of concept for supersoldiers being effective at all.
Spartan-II was an incredibly expensive and flawed but broadly successful attempt at revisiting the idea.
Spartan-III cut down costs and augmentation risks.
Spartan-IV is basically what Orion wanted to be.

[brisk rune]

If I'm correct, didnt Halsey hate that Spartan-IVs are called "spartans"?

[unique rune]

I don't think she necessarily hates it, more just that she thinks most S-IVs are undeserving of the title.

Though she does comment that some are "closer than others".

Thorne: "Psychological? So you don't think we're capable of being Spartans."
Halsey: "Perhaps some of you are closer than others."

[brisk rune]

Doesnt she throw out names of what she thinks is fitting? Hoplites, Athenians, Promethians

[unique rune]

I don't recall that ever coming up.

Though those names sound like some of the ones she came up with for Spartan-II before finally settling on Spartan.

[plain path]

I feel like Halsey didn’t seem as evil in the bungie games as she did in 343’s games. Like she goes from this scientist lady who’s made some bad decisions to literally kidnapped children and tortured and often killed then to stop rebels

[unique rune]

Well, I mean, she's only ever in a single one of Bungie's games, and she barely has a role in it.

[plain path]

She wasn’t in CE?

[unique rune]

Other than some of Karen Traviss' writing that has this peculiar habit of demonizing Halsey, 343's more or less been consistent with how she was written since the novels that came out under Bungie's time on Halo.

[unique rune]

Correct, Halsey isn't in CE at all.

[plain path]

Hm

[near tide]

She’s in reach

[plain path]

I must’ve imagined it

[unique rune]

She didn't have any game appearances until Reach.

[plain path]

Yeah I remember that

[near tide]

Also, Halsey kinda deserves to be demonized

[unique rune]

Ehh. Halsey's really just an easy scapegoat in the grand scheme of things.

The problem goes all the way up through ONI and the UNSC.

[plain path]

I feel like they kinda treated her like she wasn’t that bad in 5 though.

[unique rune]

Like, it's easy to point fingers and say "she's the one that kidnapped, brainwashed, and maimed children to kill rebels," but that's ignoring that the UNSC were the ones who A) told her to develop something for that and B) gave her the greenlight to go through with all of it.

[plain path]

Also I never got the impression that Chief liked her at all. She kidnapped him when he was like 8. But when they meet again she just says “took you long enough” like they’ve been best friends the whole time

[plain path]

Yeah that’s true

[gilded mason]

He does like her.

[unique rune]

Halsey's the closest thing to a mother figure that the Spartan-IIs have.

[chrome nacelle]

Spartan IIs definitely are the best, IIIs (while mass produced) earned their title of Spartans, IVs are just pompous jokes (with only a few exceptions)

[plain path]

If they were never kidnapped they probably would have had a mother, although the covenant would probably kill them soon after.

What’s joke about them

[brisk rune]

The Spartan 2s all see her as their mom. Which is also why Jorge acts so kind around her

[chrome nacelle]

The undeserved pride they have as Spartans, that theyre just the "most awesome" thing since sliced bread. Honestly, the Spartan Ops said a lot to me on their demeanor. Like I said, theres a couple that are worth recognition, but on the whole? Completely pompous that think theyre just as good as the Spartans before them.

[spiral aspen]

you can also argue morality and perspective.. morality in the sense that a very small number of childrens sacrifice could save civilization and eventually humanity, as we see from the progression of the story, plus in hind site all them and their familys likely would have died from the covvies.. and perspective in the sense that i know dozens of people in the militray who if were given the chance to be part of a program like this who would jump at the chance, even given the survival rate of all spartans.

[plain path]

Wasn’t it said in Halo 4 that she did it to stop human insurgents, and not to fight against the covenant?

[near tide]

Yep

[brisk rune]

That was the original goal yes

[near tide]

The covenant wasn’t even discovered yet

[unique rune]

Honestly, the Spartan Ops said a lot to me on their demeanor.
I mean, you tell a former ODST that they're gonna be able to fight on par with the "invincible heroes of the Covenant War," realistically it's going to get to their head.

[chrome nacelle]

Then you sack up and live up to their example, not be a massive jaggoff about it

[plain path]

“Man, I loved being an ODST. Point and shoot, none of this gray area bs.”

[plain path]

I truly doubt that you would do the same if you were in their shoes

[unique rune]

We're still talking about humans who lived relatively normal lives with enough screws loose that they drop from space in metal coffins on a regular basis.
They're gonna have a bit of an ego about it.

[chrome nacelle]

You dont know me, but you can feel free to speculate

[brisk rune]

I believe they are like that due to the fact they were made in, what is pretty much peace times, and they are from other branches of the military instead of raised as kids. If you notice in any halo game, when you are around regular marines, they are very frat boy like, which is what we see in 4s.

Now the problem with this is that it is hard to write likeable characters when they are all cocky and bully-able

[unique rune]

It's not like they actively disrespect any of the Spartan generations that came before them either.

[near tide]

Not every IV was a ODST

Some were, some weren’t

[chrome nacelle]

You mean how they have a constant inferiority complex with the Chief?

[unique rune]

Not every S-IV is former ODST but for the most part they're still veterans of a 30 year long war.

[unique rune]

Christ, is this still about the "I thought you'd be taller" line?

[near tide]

The IIs are massive shoes to fill tbh

[chrome nacelle]

No, not entirely, just the general attitude. Let alone their disrespect when attempting to apprehend him

[unique rune]

...What disrespect?

[gilded mason]

Let alone their disrespect when attempting to apprehend him
???

[unique rune]

Osiris was literally under orders to bring 117 and Blue Team in.

[gilded mason]

And they were respectful about it.

[brisk rune]

That line is definitely a "could've been worded better" line. It could be the woman trying to make small talk or flirt with humanity's savior. Or it could be disrespect. Who knows

[unique rune]

No disrespect was given, none was intended, they were doing exactly what any of the Spartan-IIs would do in that situation.

[unique rune]

It's just a light jab at the Chief's legendary status. The man is a giant in a literal and figurative sense.

[brisk rune]

Now, I agree with the idea that Spartan 4s shouldn't be called spartans, but not because of any hate towards them

[fast falcon]

Why shouldn’t they be called Spartans then?

[near tide]

They have similar augmentations and wear MJOLNIR

[unique rune]

I don't really have anything against them being called Spartans, but sometimes I wonder if reception would've been better if they'd called the program Orion-IV instead.
Doubtful though.

[spiral aspen]

i mean.. imagine spending 8 years to become a doctor then they change the rule and now it takes everyone 1 year to be a doc...

[near tide]

That’s a poor comparison

[unique rune]

That is... yeah, not a good comparison.

[near tide]

Being kidnapped as a child and taught to be a child soldier and growing up vs being trained as an adult

[brisk rune]

Because the spartan 2s and 3s were named after their grueling training, and being trained since kids. Their upbringings echoed the upbringings of the toughest warriors on earth. Spartan 4s are well trained but they dont match their namesake as much as the others

Now, I have no problems with Spartan 4s as characters or lore, but i do wonder if they would have been recieved better if called, say, "Hoplites" or "Gladiators" or something

[unique rune]

Like half the reason the S-IIs and -IIIs took so long was because they were kidnapped and indoctrinated as children with literally no military experience.

S-IV pulls from adult volunteers who've mostly seen active field duty as just regular old unaugmented humans.

[fast falcon]

It’s more like having a military doctrine which requires destroying a bunch of children’s lives and changing it to one that’s both far more moral and provides a much larger number of units

[unique rune]

There's years of training and just growth in general that isn't necessary with S-IV.

The 'doctor' comparison is like the equivalent of drilling a child from the age of 6 to go to med school vs someone who's already had an EMT or nursing career going on to med school.

[fast falcon]

The thing is the namesake at that point simply isn’t just harking that title, it’s grown to effectively mean a whole new thing in the world, being shorthand for humanities own brand of super soldier

[brisk rune]

I'm not saying I dont like spartan 4s. Hell, I don't believe Locke deserves as much crap as he gets. But

Actually nevermind I just solved my own question. Problem solved

[chrome nacelle]

But they "rack a disciprine!"

[spiral aspen]

point being is quality... if two people are 40 years old and ones been doing he job for 34 years and the others beeing doing it for 15, its illogical to think the person with 15 years experience is more proficient or knowlegeable. also one of the SOF Truths is that "Special Operations Soldiers cannot be mass produced". thats not lore, thats modern fact

[chrome nacelle]

The moment a Spartan IV can kill a Hunter in unarmed combat, ill give em props

[craggy sierra]

You know they survived the war right? Most Spartan 4s had service records as normal troops for most large sections of the war. It was those with impressive service records who were chosen for the roles.

[unique rune]

It's not like they're just pulling any old Joe from the Marine Corps to be a Spartan-IV, the candidates have to demonstrate some kind of promise or high proficiency before even being considered at all.

[craggy sierra]

They...can?

[chrome nacelle]

Can they? Have they?

[fast falcon]

Give me ODST and let me beat a Hunter to death as Buck lmao

[chrome nacelle]

PCs dont count lol

[brisk rune]

Yeah, nevermind. I solved my own problem. They just call them spartans now to group them all together into one basket

[fast falcon]

Yeah it’s basically a recognition thing both in universe and out

[craggy sierra]

Idk what you really want man when you're getting that specific about it.

[fast falcon]

The sacrifices of the past Spartans are now honoured with a whole branch meant to train the best of the best in their footsteps

[chrome nacelle]

Well, the player character is effectively immortal and varies by difficulty

[spiral aspen]

im not saying the 4s arent extremely proficient, im simply stating that theres gaps between the 4s and 3s/2s that the armor cannot make up for. and to your point of most having exemplary service records, absolutely, however Marine operations and ODST operations are simply different than Spartan Operations and that inherantly creates learning gaps

[chrome nacelle]

Hence why I dont count them during instances where the player is in direct control

[unique rune]

I mean, sure, I'm not gonna disagree, but the doctor comparison still doesn't really work.

[spiral aspen]

agreed, that was an expidited analogy for simplicity

[unique rune]

An S-IV isn't going to have the same service record as a -II or a -III, but that's also because they're normal freakin people, not brainwashed children who only know killing.

[fast falcon]

^

[brisk rune]

How many spartan IIs (besides chief) are alive by the time of infinite? What about 3s?

[chrome nacelle]

There are atleast a handful of 2s, I think 3s are actually less

[fast falcon]

Not sure about the IIIs, but I think there’s only like ten or so SIIs I can recall

[chrome nacelle]

Fred, Linda, Kelly, John, the 2s from Halo Wars (cant remember their names rn), and theres a few others

[unique rune]

I think we're still at 14 known surviving Spartan-IIs?

Spartan-III totals out to around 300 as far as we know since Gamma is largely still unaccounted for, but there's between 10-20 that have actually been identified with names and/or numbers.

[brisk rune]

M'kay, cool. So, do you think the UNSC has given them GEN2 Mjolnir armor yet? Besides Chief getting MK.7

[chrome nacelle]

Idk, theres only 3 confirmed 3s remaining though right? Jun and Kurt's trainees right?

[unique rune]

006, 010, 011, 025, 042, 058, 087, 099, 104, 111, 117, 120, 130
I think that's all of the currently active Spartan-IIs still around. Not counting 062 who's still retired as far as we know.

[spiral aspen]

i thought Jun was possibly dead now because of what happened with leonidas?

[chrome nacelle]

Juns been possibly dead enough times lol

[spiral aspen]

lmao touche

[unique rune]

All of Blue Team has upgraded to GEN3 at the very least. All the others are still unknown.

Knowing Gray Team they'd probably have gotten stuck out of contact with the UNSC again so I doubt they'd have been issued GEN3.
Naomi might still be tooling around in her GEN1 Mk.VII.

[brisk rune]

Hold on, GEN3? I thought Spartan 4s had the GEN2 and that's how they filled their power gap

[unique rune]

Spartan-IVs were issued GEN2 but by Infinite the UNSC's started replacing it with GEN3.

All of Blue Team had been fitted with GEN2 armor in 5, but by late 2559 they'd been switched over to GEN3 as well.

[brisk rune]

So what do the different mks mean when there is also GENs of armor? Is it a gen, which has a bunch of mks?

[unique rune]

It's a really weird system that interacts kinda funny.

The 'Mark' designation system more or less just classifies them into specific iterations of the baseline model of Mjolnir armor, while the GEN designations separate them a set of standardized features across the entire platform.

It's really weird and kinda hard for me to explain well.

[brisk rune]

So a gen is baseline features, and mks are small changes in those platforms?

[unique rune]

Sort of, I think?

That sounds... accurate enough, yeah, unless I've entirely misunderstood the naming for all these years.

Mk.IV through Mk.VII are meant to be sequential upgrades to each other, and they've been updated across each generation of Mjolnir to meet a particular set of standards.

So like the model of GEN2 seen in Halo 5 has things like integrated maneuvering thrusters as a standard feature.
And an armor permutation from GEN1, like the standard Mk.VI model, can be upgraded to work with those features if necessary.

[spiral aspen]

sounds like theres alot of similaritys to modern firearm MKs and Gens (kinda like what glocks got goin on)

[brisk rune]

I mean, Mks of the armor could be patent numbers

[near tide]

All the gammas(aside from a few)

[thin yew]

The marks were somewhat sequential improvements upon the Mjolnir system, the leap to GEN2 was a major revision of the entire thing.

With the Mark VII heralding the new GEN3 to further revise it.

[tacit charm]

a significant portion but not enough to eliminate all the moas

🦡

[acoustic aspen]

Because we have hope... and S/he was a good character that we would like to see return.

[brisk rune]

I mean, good character, but bringing him back would really lessen the blow of that final monologue Halsey gives

[fast falcon]

I feel they’re a little hollow ngl. They’re meant to be a self insert as a character(even then they had a tiny bit of personality that rendered that moot)

[brisk rune]

I mean, they are supposed to have as little info so you can project onto them. Even going as far as to change voices depending on customization options. But Bungie and 343 both recognize him as canonically male and dead

[fast falcon]

Yeah but that doesn’t necessarily make them a good character exactly, because they’re essentially meant to have no character so the player can feel like they’re in the driver seat

Even then in campaign they tried to add a tiny bit of personality to the character with how they interacted with the other members of Noble, but it didn’t do much to their character beyond make them feel like less a self insert imo

[humble yacht]

The psychology of this is interesting

Maybe because Noble 6 is somewhat a self insert, fans of his consider him a good character because subconsciously, they project onto him and therefore, calling him a bad character would be a stone’s throw from calling themselves bad

[fast falcon]

Hmmm, that’s definitely an interesting thought. Like how many fans of different things end up identifying with the series they’re into and grow very defensive of them

[humble yacht]

Yes, because perhaps they have a subconscious fear of the thing they like reflecting on themselves, and thus if the thing isn’t liked, then they aren’t liked by extension

[fast falcon]

Yeah I can absolutely understand that, I’ve sure as hell felt that way about series in the past lmao

[glacial oracle]

If we are talking about blank characters its why I felt as if the Rookie dying was the best decision 343 could do with his character.

I rather Rookie be killed than 343 attempt to build a personality out of him thus killing who he was supposed to be.

[gusty star]

092

[loud fjord]

or he could have just retired and got a happy ending, like he became the quality assurance specialist for custom matresses.

[versed helm]

so in cannon why would SIIIs wear ODST armor?

[gilded mason]

Only reason I can think of is if there's literally no Mjolnir or SPI available at the time, while ODST armor does happen to be.

[versed helm]

was it just adapted to modern mjolnir systems and issues to spartans who typically deployed in situations similar to odsts?

[gilded mason]

I don't recall SIIIs ever using ODST armor in an official capacity

[versed helm]

well aerial assault helmets which were also used similar to odst helmets by air assault troopers were seen being used by SIIIs, so its possible odst armor was used similarly

idk

[gilded mason]

A bit of a jump, I'd say.

[versed helm]

also was commando only used by spartan team leaders?

[unique rune]

No

Armor variations like Commando would be distributed based on mission needs

[fast falcon]

Yeah Spartans don’t typically wear one set of armour constantly, but swap up different parts for what’s required on their mission

For recognition purposes the game always portrays them in the same armour all game tho

Not like they’re ever given a chance to swap up their gear in any of the games tho

[thin yew]

ODST armor is originally a Mjolnir design to begin with

The ODST's then adopted the armor afterwards

The original Mjolnir line is still being developed and issued all the way up to the current Mk. VII

[versed helm]

cool thanks

[brisk rune]

I mean I dont think he is an excellent character, but he's ok. And i certainly don't feel anything if you diss him. But i believe what you're talking about is kinda like when you obsess over something and feel attacked when someone critiques that thing, such examples include Warhammer 40k fans, Undertale fans, Dream fans, and Halo fans

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[humble yacht]

Yes but why do people get mad when you diss those things? I was theorizing on the psychology behind it

[brisk rune]

Because you feel attacked when your personality is attacked. Some people center their personality around these things

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[brisk rune]

Alright. I tend to forget

[obsidian thistle]

I just love that we finally got his homeworld and birth city. Was really cool to know he lived on the same colony as Locke did.

[versed helm]

Are we allow to talk about the silver timeline canon in here or no

[humble yacht]

I suppose but it might make more sense in #halo-the-series-chat

[loud kestrel]

whats a good topic of the lore to learn and explore?

what u guys think is best part

[humble yacht]

The forerunner flood war

Especially the end of it

[loud kestrel]

i looked into that much already, i got really into ancient human things and all the stuff before the rings were fired

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[loud kestrel]

i searched a bunch into flood, ancient humans, forerunners, etc

[gusty star]

Covenant

[vague lance]

I do not know if this is particularly lore or not, but does anyone else think the Banish did pilot UNSC vehicles? When I was searching for the famine skull and found it on the eastern island, I realized the wasp on the island has no body of a marine or Spartan, there is only Banished bodies. No Pilot, assumed by the dead Banished bodies, but still odd.

[untold wasp]

don't think they do use unsc vehicles

[terse lava]

It wouldn't surprise me if they did though, seeing as they were using damaged ones as scrap metal

[loud kestrel]

banished didnt start off with their own vehicles and tech as they began as atriox and a small group, so i'd assume they had to learn to pilot and use covenant and unsc tech where necessary

[ocean mirage]

Why do the halo games never talk about halo reach?

[loud kestrel]

idk

[gilded mason]

Why would they

[loud kestrel]

i mean halo reachs events and what noble six did at the end lead to them finding a halo ring

[loud kestrel]

so it is a very relevant topic to see how they got where they are

[unique rune]

I mean, not really.

It'd be really weird and clunky to have them directly address whatever Noble Team did in the games.

And it's especially not helped by the fact that the games where it'd arguably be most relevant (CE, 2, and 3) were written prior to Halo Reach even being a concept in anyone's mind.

[ocean mirage]

What about halo infinite?

[unique rune]

...What about Halo Infinite?

[outer axle]

Imagine if Keyes made a direct reference to the events of reach at the beginning of CE that would be weird

[unique rune]

It doesn't have much reason to address Halo Reach either.

[ocean mirage]

We have cortana and she did choose noble six specifically to transport her to the UNSC

[unique rune]

And...?

[cobalt thunder]

Maybe at the end of the game, a tribute to the soldiers lost and what they’ve done including noble team

[unique rune]

Why would that be relevant to Infinite's campaign at all?

[outer axle]

why would Cortana leave messages about noble six to master chief

[unique rune]

Cramming in references to [thing that people like] doesn't necessarily make for good writing and just comes off as lazy, story-bloating fanservice, if anything.

[ocean mirage]

Not relevant just a neat nod because after reach happened it was never brought up and just sat there like halo 3 odst, just something that happened in the halo universe

[unique rune]

John doesn't have much need to know about B312. Cortana doesn't have any particular connection to him either.

it was never brought up
I mean, the Fall of Reach gets mentioned in passing on occasion but there's no real reason to talk about it.

[cobalt thunder]

John and six are the only “hyper lethal” soldiers/Spartans nobody else has that rank

[unique rune]

No, that got retconned.

And even then it's not like they know each other anyway.

[cobalt thunder]

No, but they would’ve heard of each others reputation

[unique rune]

I very much doubt that

[cobalt thunder]

Those are 2 very special Spartans it’d be nearly impossible to not know those 2

[unique rune]

There was very little overlap between the Spartan-IIs and Spartan-IIIs.

The -IIs didn't even learn of the -IIIs' existence until the final year of the war.

[cobalt thunder]

Spartan III’s we’re meant as expendable

[unique rune]

That... doesn't change anything.

[cobalt thunder]

Just saying no reason for it lmao

[outer axle]

The only situation I could see a reach reference working in Infinite is chief having Noble team part of the deletion codes.

[unique rune]

Even that doesn't really make much sense outside of Jorge. Which still would be a stretch because 052 and 117 have never been given any particular relationship.

[cobalt thunder]

They would’ve grown up together on the same facility tho right?

[unique rune]

John and Jorge would've trained together, sure, but no media's ever made them particularly close.

It's not like the situation with Samuel-034, one of John's closest friends in the program.

[cobalt thunder]

Damn he shouldn’t have died

Sam was awesome

[outer axle]

I'd like to see Jun as a DLC character helping the unsc get organized again

[ancient wadi]

i just noticed something. the spirit of fire stayed at the ark for 28 years which was 2531 at the time and its now 2559. during the events of halo 3, chief and arbiter set the ark off so doesnt that mean the unsc would find SOF?

[unique rune]

The Spirit of Fire arrived at the Ark only hours before the events of Halo Wars 2 via slipspace.

[ancient wadi]

oh

i was wrong then

[cobalt thunder]

Keeping a valuable ship at the ark for 28 years doesn’t make much sense lmao

U saw their battle capabilities in hw1 and 2

[ancient wadi]

yeah.

[outer axle]

I hope they add some of the cool halo wars 2 vehicles to Infinite

It won't happen but I can still hope

[valid ice]

Ayo halo lore boys during the truce stuff has there ever been interspecies relationships between humans and aliens. Only cannon and so who

[idle lintel]

excellent question

[unique rune]

I... don't think there's been any canonical examples of such a thing.

Not unless you count Vel 'Trokaik's, er... secret yearnings.

[terse lava]

Well I mean, besides that one, and not during the truce, Forerunnera and Ancient Humans found Ancient San'Shyuum rather attractive

[valid ice]

Ok

What about with everything else

[meager vortex]

i csnt remember every important elite's names except thel vadaam

[terse lava]

Just that example from h5 and the mentions of ancient San'Shyuum. Nothing else in regards to human/alien romance

[gilded mason]

Yeah. Not really a thing that has been focused on all that much.

[terse lava]

Not much reason really either at this time

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[valid ice]

Official halo rom com book with human and alien leads

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-it-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4883506

[terse lava]

I'd pass

[modest quarry]

[empty bridge]

Arbiter and jesse breaking bad is gonna be fire

[solemn otter]

Just finished reading the 3 Forerunner saga books. Great read. Highly recommend

[shut steppe]

Halo series is gonna be a shot for shot remake of BrBa with the arbiter instead of Walter White and Sgt Johnson instead of Skylar

[loud kestrel]

id date an elite, the other species tho... ehh

and after the prophet of truth did his stuff... i no longer even remotely like san'shyuum, they suck

truth ruined them for me

all evil manipulators

[gilded mason]

Don't worry, Zo Resken is the great redeemer of San'Shyuum

[main rivet]

Theyre not all evil. Just because the leadership was bad doesn't condemn an entire race.

[loud kestrel]

it doesnt, but ill never look at them the same now

[sharp citrus]

2001 Chevy Tahoe. Officially Halo canon.

[brittle current]

wym

[sharp citrus]

Never seen the trailer for the show?

[velvet rose]

that show isn't canon

[sharp citrus]

Doesn’t matter it’s a joke obviously

[main rivet]

Of all the universes where “omg they’re still using something that looks like modern tech in the future” is a bad nitpick, it’s probably the one where in five hundred years humanity is still using ballistic weaponry for most everything 😛

[untold wasp]

star wars still uses spears tho

[glacial oracle]

I mean even if the UNSC uses ballistic weaponary other than the concept nothing else really matches.

Big difference between a concept and a 2001 car

I mean personally idc but im bored enough to comment.

[proper spoke]

been thinking about that Installation from Halo 4 where we got to see a halo ring briefly- does that installation play any significance in the storyline or was it just there for Halo 4

[tacit charm]

star wars has yottaton yeeting characters, what's halo's excuse

[humble yacht]

That was gamma halo

It shows up again in Halo Escalation

[proper spoke]

Oh cool cool- yeah Halo 4 was pretty confusing probably because I didn’t read any of the books leading up to it- honestly been thinking about reading those but idk where to start or what order to go in

[humble yacht]

The only books that really tie into halo 4 in a meaningful way are the forerunner trilogy

[proper spoke]

ah okay- also is Infinite a part of the reclaimer saga? idk the art style is so different

[glacial oracle]

The confusion is to be expected but yes Infinites still apart of the reclaimer saga

[spiral jewel]

Since it is a Canon vehicle, what years were the M552 SandCat in use by the UNSC?

[unique rune]

Ooh sweet, Arbiter and Vale novel by Denning

[versed helm]

Who were the forerunners?

[unique rune]

a bunch of ancient powerful jerks who made some mistakes and ruined the galaxy to the point they had to kill everything to save it

[untold wasp]

you are not wrong

[gilded mason]

And Nizat and Tam ❤️ ❤️

(If they aren't dead.)

[fair hazel]

canon foddderr

[near tide]

❤️

[fair hazel]

Wooo wooo! I can't wait for that book

[urban locust]

Guns were invented around 500 years ago… if it ain’t broke don’t fix it ig???

[untold wasp]

Oh right that counts as spam

But ya that book would be cool

[urban locust]

Also, on that note. If the UNSC has access to forerunner weaponry, and plasma/energy weapons, why is there no human energy sword??? It’s a highly effective weapon? Doesn’t make sense. Same with forerunner tech, why no hardlight rifle???

[untold wasp]

Thel and vale

[humble yacht]

Humans haven’t figured out how to reproduce hardlight like the forerunners

[urban locust]

In multiplayer fret will say, “let’s take a moment of silence for the sentinel that died so we could have this weapon” in reference to the sentinel beam. So, they are technically cannon that the UNSC just had a bunch of covenant/banished and forerunner stuff

Yeah but

Plasma

And the arbiter is an Ally

Just doesn’t make sense to me

[untold wasp]

[humble yacht]

Maybe the elites didn’t want to share all their secrets

[untold wasp]

Play halo 2 and 3

[humble yacht]

Just because their Allies doesn’t mean they share everything

[urban locust]

I did

[fast falcon]

Their weapons have been shown to be on par with a lot of energy weapons too, and to produce them would require probably a whole different kind of production line

[urban locust]

Fair

[fast falcon]

So it’s easier and cheaper to stick with producing the stuff they know with the gear they have and improving that over making whole new kinds of weapons

[untold wasp]

Oh wait nvm I though you meant you were confused why the arbiter is an ally

[urban locust]

I just have a feeling ONI would be researching alien weaponry

It’s ONI

[fast falcon]

Oh ONI absolutely would be, it’s just not mainline and added onto all their tech

[humble yacht]

It’s not like human weaponry is not effective

[urban locust]

Fair

[fast falcon]

Most ONI research probably gets added into existing gear and trying to improve that too

[urban locust]

Also, uh, if the Assault rifle is designed for both Spartans and standard military, why no irons sights???? I get targeting hud, but in infinite some marines are a crack shot with it even without their helmet

Like

Do they guess

[untold wasp]

Their eyes

I guess

[urban locust]

as someone who has shot a gun with just my eyes, ig props to the marines who manage to hit anything???

[untold wasp]

They are soldiers, you can’t have an army that can’t aim without tech

[unique rune]

You just sort of have to shrug and ignore it because the designer probably didn’t think too hard about it

[urban locust]

Irons aren’t that big of technology. It’s standard.

A soldier is trained to shoot with irons

[unique rune]

Though interestingly enough Halo 5’s model of MA5D has a flip out sight on top of the big cowling thing

[urban locust]

Really??? Can you send me an image of that??

[unique rune]

I don’t think it’s ever shown in use but it’s modeled on

[urban locust]

Cause I can’t get halo five to work on my series X rn

I’m starting a petition:
Give marines a fighting chance, let them aim

[unique rune]

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/994/377/large/andrew-bradbury-ar-hi-c-01.jpg?1455686565

At least I’m fairly certain it’s supposed to be some kind of flip-up sight thing towards the front

[urban locust]

I’m gonna assume you meant the notch not the red dot???

Holy crap you’re r right

[unique rune]

The one where the cowling starts to slope downwards

[urban locust]

That looks like an irons

It’s tiny, but it’s there

But then comes the issue of there not being a back one

[unique rune]

It might be that the little grey spot above the ammo counter is also meant to flip up to be in line with the front sight?

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/994/357/large/andrew-bradbury-ar-lo-b-01.jpg?1455686477

Not sure if that was the design intent though

[urban locust]

I’ll dm you the close up ss of it

Bruh, the fire selector says “off, on, SL”

Nope wait it has two fire selection switches

Maybe the on off is Smart Link

[unique rune]

Sounds like a reasonable guess

[ebon coyote]

wait whats all this about people shipping the Arbiter and Spartan vale??

[gilded mason]

wut?

[ebon coyote]

maybe i misunderstood

idk

but there is a book about Vale and the arbiter?? or are they being shipped??

https://tenor.com/view/waynes-world-wayne-wayne-never-learned-to-read-never-learned-to-read-dont-know-how-to-read-gif-18289416

[gilded mason]

There's a book where they're working together to go to Netherop, yes.

[ebon coyote]

oh okay

[inland token]

Hey does anyone have info or know a good video going into lord hoods back story? I saw that he is referenced in infinite when cortona is threading earth so up to that point he must still be around but does anyone know if he’s alive/his history? He’s always been a fascinating character to me ever since seeing his neural implant on his head and his metal of honor from halo 2

[velvet rose]

halopedia is a good place to read about him

[near tide]

Which one?

[gilded mason]

The one with Nizat, Tam, Thel, and Vale

Halo: Outcasts

[near tide]

Ooh

My boi nizat is back

[gilded mason]

😌

[near tide]

The covenant probably despised him for taking the beacons

Wait, he was marooned

Does that mean he got rescued?

[gilded mason]

Perhaps Thel and Vale rescue him when they go to Netherop for unrelated reasons

[inland token]

Hmmm i read some stuff about him on halo fandom but it doesn’t mention anything about his whereabouts now or the story behind his metal of honor

[velvet rose]

halopedia is better that the fandom wiki

[inland token]

Okay thanks I’ll look into it

[ebon coyote]

okay so i finished shadows of REACH...at this point im starting to lose my faith in the UNSC...they lost REACH twice and now the infinity and her crews...oh and whats worse Sydney has been lost

[near tide]

They’re against massively overwhelming forces

Guardians are unstoppable

[ebon coyote]

i guess the history of the Halo universe is different then...did the battle for leyte gulf simply not exist in there universe?? cuz THAT was a mismatch of absolutely mythic proportions...yet we still managed to turn the tables

[gilded mason]

One unlikely win doesn't mean all mismatches can be turned to the underdog's favor.

[ebon coyote]

fair enough

i guess im just letting my emotions dictate my arguments my apologies

its just UGH

[unique rune]

they lost REACH twice
They never really reclaimed Reach to begin with so I feel like it's a bit unfair to say that they "lost" it a second time.

The planet's basically been a barren husk of a world with some militia and settlers in the years since the war, not a major military powerhouse. "Losing" it wouldn't be hard, especially in the aftermath of the Created takeover.

[main rivet]

Also it's not like the Created likely took over Reach. Presumably once the threat is removed people return to Reach. We've already seen that in a decade or two it's doing much better.

[brisk rune]

How do Arbiter and Chief communicate with each other in halo 2? Also, as an extension, how do they communicate anytime they do?

[fast falcon]

Well, they speak to each other

I wouldn’t be shocked if the Arbiter even learnt English to better understand and learn about the humans during the war

[gilded mason]

Yeah. Many learned English very quickly after the war started, less than a year after there were many who understood and could speak it.

[tacit charm]

overhyped dumbas monkes

[near tide]

Chief has translation software

[shut steppe]

Arby n the chief

[brisk rune]

I've been given 3 explanations

This is like choosing the lesser of two evils but I have been handed 3

[unique rune]

Realistically it's most likely that Thel is at the very least conversant in English

But really it's just a minor thing that you have to shrug and accept for the convenience of things working out

[sinful valve]

ok, ive wondered this a long time, how in the hell did master chief survive the halo firing at the end of h3

[gilded mason]

He got through the portal in time. (And at this point, it seems like it just exploded mundanely, maybe.)

[sinful valve]

he didn't though he was left behind at the ark the portal closed in right before the dawn made it to the other side

[gilded mason]

If he was left behind, it'd be certainly odd that he somehow drifted next to a planet, considering the Ark is outside the galaxy.

[sinful valve]

i mean it sort of makes sense though that reqium could have been located near the ark

[gilded mason]

Also, slipspace isn't instant. The journey from Earth to the Ark took several weeks.

[sinful valve]

actually yeah ur right, because in that case requiem when it fell in to the star and blew up chances are the ark would have been close enough to get toasted to death which wouldn't make sense because it looks relativly fine in halo wars 2

[gilded mason]

Also, we see stars everywhere in the Legendary Ending. So that immediately puts it "inside the galaxy"

[terse lava]

Yeah, Requiem was well within the galaxy, the only known forerunner structures outside thr milky way were the lesser and greater arks

[dense schooner]

I have question would a scorpion tank be viable in modern day for this timeline

[near tide]

Yes

[dense schooner]

Now would it be possible to build one

[unique rune]

Erm. Probably not.

[dense schooner]

Damn I would want to drive one

[unique rune]

The four independent treads would mechanically be a nightmare and the thing is... awkwardly tall compared to most modern MBTs.

[dense schooner]

Well it would be practical wouldn’t considering it only needs 1 pilot

[tough snow]

was rookie a spartan?

[gilded mason]

No

[tough snow]

an ODST soldier right?

[unique rune]

Maybe the cannon's got some real fancy super space future tech but there's not really a good reason that it would need to be stuck on the Scorpion's awkwardly designed chassis instead of any other contemporary MBT-styled hull.

[gilded mason]

Yes

[tough snow]

ah I see

[unique rune]

Well it would be practical wouldn’t considering it only needs 1 pilot
I mean, sure, but if we figured out how that works it'd still make more sense to apply that tech to a more sensibly designed tank than keep building M808s.

[dense schooner]

True

[unique rune]

The Scorpion is very much a 'rule of cool' design more than it is anything realistic or practical.

[dense schooner]

I guess

[tough snow]

did we ever see or encounter a covenant/banished factory in halo? like an alien-like factory that makes covenant vehicles

[dense schooner]

This is 540 years into the future after all

[tough snow]

I mean we alr got an overview on where and how the UNSC vehicles were made but we never got to see where the covenant vehicles were made

maybe in their ships or sumn?

[dense schooner]

Nah

[terse lava]

We see their factories in halo wars 2 as part of the base build

[unique rune]

The Halo 3 map Assembly is set in a Scarab construction facility inside High Charity's Assembly Forges.

Otherwise the closest we've seen is just the ground bases in Halo Wars and Wars 2, but that's about it.

[dense schooner]

UNSC is more interesting

[tough snow]

dang alrighty then

[terse lava]

Hard disagree there, find the UNSC rather boring and just a copy of the Aliens marines

[dense schooner]

Would it be possible to make titanium A or grade 38

[unique rune]

I mean. We don't even know exactly what they're made of, so... kind of impossible to say.

[dense schooner]

Well idk it would be real nice having spartan armour

A nice gen 3 mark 7 suit would be let’s just say protective

[tough snow]

were there any other female alien enemies we ever faced besides the harbinger?

[dense schooner]

No

Wait

[fast falcon]

The skirmishers in Infinite are female

[unique rune]

The Kig-Yar Skirmishers in Infinite are supposed to be female.

[dense schooner]

Does cortana count

[tough snow]

ah I see

[tough snow]

alien

[unique rune]

I guess some of the Promethean Knights could arguably be counted as female, depending on how you define things?

[dense schooner]

Well than no

Wait the flood

Cause the flood will infect basically anyone

[unique rune]

Some of them would've been composed from female Forerunners (or even humans), like Endurance-of-Will in H5 Warzone.

But that's stretching it a bit since they're really just genderless death machines by that point.

[dense schooner]

But we’re originally female at some point

[fast raft]

hello :3

[ruby finch]

Correct me if i'm wrong but the reason in infinite all skirmishers are females is because all the males died in reach?

[gilded mason]

No.

That was only ever said in some gaming magazine

The T'vaoan population is fine

And the skirmishers in Infinite are female Ruuhtians, anyway

[solemn gorge]

I'm honestly kind of annoyed that some people are speculating what the tentacle creatures are in the new halo series trailers, when they are clearly Lekgolo.

[clear arrow]

Ah yes, the classic hunter worms

[tacit charm]

i mean the show is basically non canon fanfic so does it really matter

[velvet rose]

just tell them that

[versed helm]

don't expect everyone to know everything. but on a brighter note, that is interesting and my research will now begin.

[tough snow]

I wonder what the needles in needlers are actually made off

[empty grove]

brute kidney stones

[manic swallow]

probably some highly explosive gas crystal

mixed with their plasma

makes a great weapon

OR OR some kind of crystal that ignites with heat

Since they use plasma BUT im just guessing

FOUND on some kind of exo planet 500+ years in the future lol

[empty grove]

unrealistic + doesn't fit with halo's themes

brute kidney stones is definitely more plausable

[swift atlas]

They are called Subanese crystals, mined on the moon Suban.

[manic swallow]

i was close

[velvet rose]

Blamite aka subanese crystals

thanks to mcc we also know they can be put into the energy swords to make them pink

[velvet rose]

could zeta halo be even activated despite the fact it's damaged

[proper spoke]

Should the paramount series be discussed here? I mean it’s not cannon so idk if it would be considered part of the lore and universe- should the paramount series have its own channel?

[humble yacht]

#halo-the-series-chat

[stuck aspen]

They were also the only covenant weapon that wasn't reverse engineered from forerunner technology

[obsidian thistle]

Currently making pages on them on the Pedia but thought I'd share a lil new lore that was discovered today!

So you lot recall that Season 1 video that accompanied the Tutorial in Halo Infinite and how it was set in London!

Well turns out it has signs that can be read!

This lead to three things!

1. Parliament Street exists (The boring one out the way first)

2. Heathrow Airport became a Spaceport (thats cool amiright)

3. The motorway that inspired songs detesting its existence, the M25 still exists 500 years into the future.

[fair hazel]

Ohh there were signs?

[obsidian thistle]

Very hard to read ones yes!

Heres the Heathrow one. (Showing how hard it is to read.)

Here is a crop of concept art for that scene showing it clear as day.

@fair hazel 😉

I tried reading it when the trailer was released. But it proved very hard.

When the sign concept was released. I decided to revisit to see if it was then possible.

[fair hazel]

Oh concept!

[untold wasp]

that is cool

[obsidian thistle]

It is a rather novel idea to match stuff ;)

[unique lance]

[loud kestrel]

is that what they call russians?

[loud kestrel]

lmao yes, that is pretty dumb, u can just see who knows basic lore and who doesnt

[loud kestrel]

damn, so u could really say humans are smarter building their own stuff?

[unique rune]

Not really

[loud kestrel]

the covenant was more fortunate then managing to find old forerunner tech

[unique rune]

Reverse-engineering Forerunner tech is a whole ordeal in and of itself. The Covenant weren't stupid or lazy for it because the Forerunners didn't leave behind operation manuals for all the stuff they left behind.

On top of the fact that it's generally harder for them to interact with Forerunner tech because they aren't Reclaimers.

[loud kestrel]

but they rely on it whereas humans build their own stuff and do generally pretty well in survival

SURVIVAL not winning lmao

[unique rune]

That doesn't really make humanity any smarter though.

[loud kestrel]

humanity is fighting like a 3 front war, it aint going so great for em

and now they have more problems...

the banished

[unique rune]

Human equipment was broadly still much more primitive than what the Covenant was using. And it's not like the UNSC didn't take every opportunity that they could to study Forerunner artifacts.

Covenant technology is technically more imitative than innovative, but a lot of that is because the Covenant got past those early stages of development that humanity was still stuck in millennia ago.

[loud kestrel]

and i thought it was really cool how humans eventually "evolved" (the ancient humans) to become bigger, stronger, and have a lifespan of roughly 1k years

all that before rings were fired lore is pretty damn cool

😁

[terse lava]

A pity we don't really know own anything about them, they are just kinda there as a plot excuse

[loud kestrel]

no, u just never looked well enough, theres plenty of lore back there but because thats not present time of course it didnt have lore in every nook and cranny

[terse lava]

@loud kestrel we don't know the name of their civilization, nor that of their alliance with the San’Shyuum. We know almost nothing of their society, culture, weapons, ships, armor, population, etc

[loud kestrel]

i dont need to know the specifics, yes its not that much lore, its enough to say everything u need to know and id consider that a pretty good amount considering they could also just leave it blank

what with it not really being completely essential to the lore

(oh no, heavy paragraph coming soon lmao)

[terse lava]

Neither was most of the fancy forerunner stuff we learn from the forerunner trilogy. Didn't stop it from enriching the setting

[loud kestrel]

or not, maybe just kindve slow at typing??

[slim thorn]

Does the Primary Shipboard AI were not allowed to leave the ship or station unless the ship or station is on dire circumstances?

[terse lava]

Thats why the Ancient Humans disappoint me

[loud kestrel]

the mystery around it also enriches the lore, makes u think about all the different possibilities

although it will be different for every person i guess

[terse lava]

Perhaps, but you'd think they'd at least be given a name

[loud kestrel]

there is that one guy tho, the lord of admirals guy i forget his actual name

[terse lava]

Forthencho

[loud kestrel]

ya him

[gilded mason]

Four Cellos

[terse lava]

I met a name for their civilization

[loud kestrel]

i was having a tough time understanding the story around him tho (at the point where he was apparently put into a boy named chakas who was turned into guilty spark)

through a personality imprint i think they called it

[terse lava]

That's geas for ya

[loud kestrel]

uh whats geas? i heard it brought up a lot even tried looking a bit at it, never made much sense to me lmao

[terse lava]

In a nutshell, biological commands put into a species

[loud kestrel]

all i know is genetics given to people by the librarian

makes them do stuff or something

[terse lava]

An example being Riser's ancestors making that maze of rocks to the Didact's cryptum, despite forerunner traps killing them over centuries

[loud kestrel]

so who was chakas, why did he get forthenco, and why did he become guilty spark??

i just want to know the whole thing behind that

[terse lava]

https://www.halopedia.org/Chakas

[gilded mason]

beat me to it lmao

[terse lava]

That should help

@gilded mason I have earned my journey

[gilded mason]

Protip: Halopedia holds the answers to many questions!

[terse lava]

Almost all

[slim thorn]

Some were still have mystery, though. Like regulation for Primary Shipboard AI

[terse lava]

Well, the AI would likely have no reason to actually leave the station they are assigned too. We see in fire cases like risk of Covenant capture, they are most often deleted

[timid skiff]

Aside from IRIS, book references of concern and video game elements, what other Bungie lore mentions the Forerunners and expands on them (their old lore)?

[loud kestrel]

cortana got lucky so many times

[slim thorn]

Well... I could wonder where Roland is. If following Cole Protocol Article 2, someone should have bring Roland out from UNSC Infinity during 07 conflict.

[versed helm]

Was the knowledge of the Forerunner and their creations ( The Rings, Shield Worlds, etc. ) made public to all Humanity after the war? Or only to a numerous yet certain amount of personnel within the UNSC and certain contractors?

Since Fernando seems to be aware of the ring and in some degree about the Forerunner while being a civilian engineer, this makes me doubt who knows and doesn't know about their existance.

[tough snow]

this is the most cursed halo emoji I didn't know existed

[sinful valve]

I think some citizens know about the forerunners and the halo rings because of the covenant digging out of the forerunner artifact at new Mombasa and also the portal that was above it was like 100 km in diameter and someone was bound to see it before the flood infestation began, however am pretty sure the unsc covered up the composition of new phoenix and I am also pretty sure that civilians are not allowed to visit any forerunner installations considering that humanity is the reclaimers, it would not be good if some average dude could activate the halo rings.

actually I have a question, are all humans reclaimers?

[tough snow]

almost all UNSC vehicles are named and based off animals lol I just realised that

Warthog: strength and power of a Jungle Hog
Mongoose: oval-ish shape and agility of a goose
Scorpion: edges and sharpness of a scorpion
Wasp: speedy yet weak strength like a Wasp
Pelican: large shape and space capacity of a Pelican
Elephant: Heaviness and power of an elephant
and etc.

[unique lance]

[tough snow]

oh my god there's more

[unique lance]

Yes

[tough snow]

bruh it's even official

[unique lance]

[tough snow]

bruh

[unique lance]

Cortuna

[tough snow]

they turned ma A.I gf into a fish

Master Chief, Mind telling me what you were doing comms?

[tough snow]

how did master chief get his name?

[honest trout]

It’s his rank in the military

And people just call him that

[tepid jetty]

no

thats his birth name

[modern basin]

No his birth name is john

[fiery wigeon]

They called me shroomjack, jerry

Wrong chat

[loud kestrel]

LMAO

funny chat going on here

[loud kestrel]

master chief is indeed his rank, and man u dont ask questions only to deny the answers

waste of your time and ours

[tepid jetty]

it is his rank, birth name, madien name, username, and screena,e

[loud kestrel]

master chief is not his birth name

[tepid jetty]

yes it is

fight me

[loud kestrel]

who the frick (for lack of swear words cause of filter) would name their child Master Chief lmao

[versed helm]

The tv series sucks and should be canceled

[chrome shale]

Cant find chevy tahoe or ak-47 on the wiki ;-;

[terse lava]

Eh no reason for them to be there

[shell turtle]

I just found out emile and master chief were from the same planet

i feel dumb

[versed helm]

has the first episode even been released

[loud kestrel]

yes, their both spartan II's and as such grew up together at the same facility

[shell turtle]

emile is a spartan III

[loud kestrel]

oh wait nvm then lmao thats jorge im thinking of

forgot their all III's except jorge

i just see spartans now and immediately think II

[elfin mulch]

Fair

[gusty star]

How is that fair

There are almost none left

[shell turtle]

there are barely any spartan II and spartan IIIs at this point in the lore

[near tide]

Theres over 300 III’s

Gammas plus surviving Alphas and Betas

[tender juniper]

I bet its gonna be cancelled

[craggy sierra]

Hasn't it...not even aired yet?

[tender juniper]

Yeah but apparently the show runners backed off already

I also realised that chief’s armour in infinite is really similar to the halo legends one

[versed helm]

sorce

[haughty crest]

“Trust me bro”

[valid hemlock]

I made it up

[lavish scaffold]

Sauce

[tender juniper]

https://deadline.com/2022/02/halo-eps-showrunner-platform-shuffle-bar-incredibly-high-1234924012/#:~:text=Halo's first season has,series after its freshman season.&text=He added that “Our intention,several seasons of the show.”

[tender juniper]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/halo-show-season-1-showrunner-left-reason-why/amp/

[lavish scaffold]

It legit explained that he only left because he didn't want to spend that much time away from his family

[quick slate]

Does Chief drive a Sabre or a Longsword in H4?

[pulsar grail]

neither, its a broadsword

[quick slate]

Is it new or?

[pulsar grail]

i guess? idk really i just know its a broadsword

[unique rune]

I mean, it was new in the sense that it was a new addition to the universe at the time Halo 4 released?
Not sure what you mean by new otherwise.

[pulsar grail]

in the universe lore, its been around since the late days of the covie war

[humble yacht]

Broadsword was an evolution of the Sabre, iirc

[ebon coyote]

what do we know about infinity??

we know she got her butt handed to her but is that ALL we know??

[gilded mason]

Wowie, well would you look at that: https://www.halopedia.org/UNSC_Infinity

[ebon coyote]

ive checked that article religiously for updates lol i was just hoping we knew something new is all

my apologies

[open root]

Was it ever explained anywhere why Halsey went from "I want revenge" in the 4 spartan ops story to working with the unsc right off the bat in 5?

[gilded mason]

There was the comic series Escalation, which goes into what she and Jul were up to in-between, but doesn't give any explanation for the change. So I imagine it was simply a case of it turning out to be her lying to Jul.

She and Jul had such a good rapport in that series. 😔

[open root]

Kinda lame to have a big cliffhanger resolved in a comic book

[ebon coyote]

agreed

[gilded mason]

Honestly, they were probably able to make it more detailed because it wasn't simply a bunch of CG game cutscenes

[tacit charm]

where's the line that says the infinity has 2.1 teraton smacs

[ebon coyote]

okay so i was just browsing the halopedia (as one does lol) is there any correlation between Orda Val 'Saham (scarab commander killed by Douglas) and Inka 'Saham?? (HVT killed by John)

i saw the name in the halopedia and i was like "back the truck up and hold the phone" so i thought i would ask here

[gilded mason]

Probably belong to the same state

[ebon coyote]

probably

worth exploring lol

also...should the article on the M41 halopedia page be updated to include the M41 Tracker from infinite??

[fast falcon]

Maybe ones from sister branch or something, hence why one has Val before Saham(unless Orda Val is his first name)

[ebon coyote]

or is it possible that Inka joined the Banished after learning of his clan mate's death??

assuming they are (were) clan mates

...meh

[versed helm]

The Broadsword came like one decade before the Sabre and was utilized by the Navy as a fighter since it was made back in 2530s and entered production in the same year, but it didn't saw a heavy use until the last years of the war.

The F-41E is the evolution of the Sabre, having similar armament and energy shielding. The regular F-41 doesn't count with shielding, so the Sabre in words would be the evolution of the F-41 and the F-41E the evolution of the Sabre.

"Tens of Thousands of this space fighters were produced during the HCW".

Basically the Broadsword is two decades by 2550 and three by 2560.

It was first introduced during 2535.

[ebon coyote]

the Swordships (for lack of a better word) craft are my favorites...the shortsword the longsword and the broadsword

though when i first heard that the Hornet was gonna be in a Halo Game i was all like "the F/A-18 Hornet actually survives to see the 26th century?? NO WAY!" then i saw the Halo version of the Hornet and i was all like...meh

[open root]

There are mods for halo ce that let you fly a longsword, among all kinds of other wacky vehicles

The pelican in it flies better than any of the pelicans in the official campaigns, the campaign pelicans all feel weird

[loud kestrel]

i bet, looking at halo ce's flying vehicle physics, it has the potential for realism

[open root]

The longsword in particular was really cool, you could walk inside of it in first person while someone else was flying it

[drowsy mesa]

Broadsword

[ebon coyote]

a Super Sabre lol

the reason i say that

is because the broadsword started its life as an A model and was unshielded then came the Sabre an expansion (of sorts) on the broadswords design...and now the F-41E has shields

so therefore

Super Sabre

much like the Hornet evolves into Super Hornet then evolves into Advanced Super Hornet (the block 3)

sounded funnier in my head lol

my apologies

please carry on

[opal moon]

Enphoso

[loud kestrel]

u know, speaking of sabres and broadswords, weirdly enough when they added sabres into reachs forge, they have shields and according to u, dont

[ebon coyote]

no the sabres have shields

the A model broadswords didnt

[loud kestrel]

im confused now

ok so from the beginning lmao please

[ebon coyote]

from the top here we go

so the A model broadswords didnt have energy shields

[loud kestrel]

those were the first model?