lore-and-universe

[quick slate]

What happened to Spark after becoming a monitor again?

[untold wasp]

no clue

[pearl igloo]

Wasnt he destroyed?

[quick slate]

After H3?

[undone stirrup]

Wait were George and Miranda sibling?

[quick slate]

nah

[quick slate]

Jorge is biologically related to Halsey?

[tidal imp]

no

[quick slate]

After Halo 3?

[pearl igloo]

Ah, looks like Spark is still out there, but not as we know him

[tidal imp]

no biological relation between Jorge and Halsey

[pearl igloo]

Spark was not completely destroyed, however. Between 2553 and 2555, the UNSC detected a transmission from the ruins of Installation 00 and deployed UNSC Rubicon from Luna to conduct a further investigation. A Remote Contact Team recovered an extremely damaged armature, believed by the team to be the source of the signal picked up by the initial investigative group. The device was actually the broken, barely active remains of 343 Guilty Spark. After properly calibrating their AI translator, the human team began to interrogate Spark, hoping to gain insight into the ancient human-Forerunner relations and the Didact. Spark, acknowledging the humans as "the true Reclaimers" and claiming that his duty was to eventually testify to Reclaimers when given the opportunity, proceeded to describe the events that led to his former human self becoming a monitor. Over the course of his narrative, he constantly accessed the ship's information stores, breaching the firewalls without effort, much to the ONI team's dismay. As a result of the extensive damage he had sustained, Spark's memory was heavily splintered and barely functional; for example, he was unable to remember many of the preceding events, only learning of his recent interactions with the humans after tapping into their records and even then, assuming the monitor in question being a separate duplicate of himself. After Spark had finished his story, his robotic shell finally powered down and was jettisoned into space by order of the ONI team commander. Before this, however, he had successfully managed to upload his data stream into the ship's computers, disabled its AI, and took full control of the vessel. Having come to the conclusion that the Librarian was alive as a result of long study, and that he had need for the ship and its crew, Spark put them to sleep and set course to where he believed the Librarian could be found.

[undone stirrup]

I thought he was her son

[pearl igloo]

Thats from the wiki

[tidal imp]

Some Spartan-IIs have a quasi-family relationship with Halsey

Some other Spartan-IIs though hate her

[undone stirrup]

Yeah, I just read the wiki and found that out

[pearl igloo]

Yeah. some hate her, some call her mom.

[untold wasp]

i think it was mam, but it was the accent that made it sound like mom

[quick slate]

Short summary is: He got new body and old memories back, met John Forge'a daughter and her friends, was looking for the Librarian, upgraded their space ship in a shield world, met a memory thing of the Librarian, some other stuff i dont remember happens and then he gets a purpose and becones a monitor of an unknown installation

[undone stirrup]

That’s what is says on the wiki

But Halsey just had a similar relationship with Jorge as she did with John

[pearl igloo]

M'am is just Jorge's term for her

its not mom

[undone stirrup]

Yes

[quick slate]

How does John view Halsey?

[untold wasp]

well halsey was most of the spartan II's mother figure

mother figure

[pearl igloo]

Like that Malpais

[tidal imp]

wouldn't really say most

Some yes

others maybe

and some hate her

Like 'I want her dead' hate her

[untold wasp]

half and half?

[tidal imp]

More complicated

There's sort of a spectrum of opinions

[untold wasp]

k

[undone stirrup]

She was hard on all of them but took a liking to some

[pearl igloo]

A bunch of percentages of different opinions all over the place

[tidal imp]

On the extreme 'family' end you have John and Jorge as examples

[undone stirrup]

And quite a few hate her for taking them away from their families

[tidal imp]

on the 'I hate her end' you have examples like Musa

[quick slate]

I can understand in some way, you get kidnapped, seperated by your parents and replaced with a clone thats going to die after some time, then forced to be trained and augmented and almost die

[tidal imp]

On the far 'I want her dead' end is Serin Osman

[pearl igloo]

She's a teacher, superior, antagonist, mother-figure, and more.

[quick slate]

But without her everyone would be screwed

So we owe her that

[pearl igloo]

Lets not retroactively assign praise.

[undone stirrup]

The reason some Spartans went rouge is because they wanted to deny Halseys reason for creating them, which was to eliminate rebels

[untold wasp]

it is just the methods

[quick slate]

was there an occasion of a spartan joining the insurrection?

[pearl igloo]

Yes

[tidal imp]

A few

[pearl igloo]

pretty much just in books though

[quick slate]

what gen and did they live?

[tidal imp]

Mostly IV

[untold wasp]

they joined the very thing they were created to destory

[pearl igloo]

I seem to remember atleast one turning pirate as well

[untold wasp]

wait nvm i was thinking about the original reason the spartan II were created

[quick slate]

I heard the term "Headhunter" in the Spartan-IIIs once, but dont exactly remember what they were

[tidal imp]

Also a Spartan-II canidate

who was crippled by the augmentations

[pearl igloo]

Mickey, from ODST, became a Spartan 4 and then supported an insurection

[tidal imp]

Soren-066 defected to Insurrection

[untold wasp]

wasn't it because of rookie

[pearl igloo]

But before I just mentioned him, I was talking just about spartan 2s

[hybrid sierra]

Headhunters got sent on missions solo or in teams of 2 and were send behind enemy lines usually to assinate someone

[untold wasp]

like assassins

[tidal imp]

not even 'like'

literally

[quick slate]

Didnt Rookie die because of this?

[untold wasp]

no i meant it like an example

[pearl igloo]

No, it happened after

[tidal imp]

before

[pearl igloo]

what

[tidal imp]

Rookie died before they became Spartans

[pearl igloo]

No, Mickey's defection happened after

[quick slate]

i meant because of Mickey supporting/joining it

[tidal imp]

No, Rookie died before Mickey defected

[pearl igloo]

again, the insurection happened after

[tidal imp]

Though Rookie did die fighting Insurrectionists

[quick slate]

Why did Mick defect to the insurrection even though one of his squadmates died to one?

[tidal imp]

the Insurrection was involved in the operation that killed the Rookie

[pearl igloo]

The insurection Mickey joined happened after

[tidal imp]

The Insurrection isn't monolithic organization

there are many insurrection groups

[pearl igloo]

exactly

the one I talked about happened after

[quick slate]

but why did he join?

[pearl igloo]

Why else? belief in what was right

[tidal imp]

He had insurrection sympathies

During the Covenant war that took a backcourse

[quick slate]

Didnt the rest of Alpha-9 become Spartan-IVs except for Dare?

[tidal imp]

because humanity had to band together

[tidal imp]

Dare isn't part of Alpha-Nine

but no she didn't get the augmentations

Taylor resigned during the inital augmentations

but later rejoined and got augmented into a IV

So all of the remaining Alpha-Nine are Spartan IV

[pearl igloo]

pft

Dare became a spartan 4 too

Heck, she maried Buck

[tidal imp]

Dare did not become a Spartan 4

she did marry Buck

[untold wasp]

so, where was she in halo 5?

[tidal imp]

Working

She's ONI

sometimes that means desk work

sometimes that means field work

though she gets aboard the Infinity after Halo 5

[quick slate]

MIA?

[tidal imp]

Not elaborated on

She was present when Blue Team retrieved Halsey's work from Reach and brought it back to the Inifinity

[quick slate]

So we dont know if she was aboard when the Banished attacked?

[tidal imp]

We do not

[quick slate]

I hope she didnt die

[tidal imp]

ONI is even harder to kill than Spartans (plot wise)

They just go MIA

[hybrid sierra]

Eh i doubt theyd kill her off after she just got married in the book

I hope theres gonna be an alpha nine dlc for infinite

[quick slate]

What if Rookie didnt die?

[hybrid sierra]

Hed probably be a spartan with them then

[quick slate]

Are there other spartans considered hyper lethal?

[pulsar grail]

p sure theyre all considered hyper lethal

[undone stirrup]

Only noble 6 and master cheif are hyper lethal

[pulsar grail]

i thought they retconned that or something

[unique rune]

correct

All Spartans are considered hyper-lethal now

[leaden cobalt]

Yeah it would be kind of stupid if only master chief and noble 6 were considered the only hyper lethal Spartans because it would be undermining the efforts that other spartans made during the war and after the Spartan-IV program

Noble 6 is built different becuz he/she an ONI op😈

[mighty fulcrum]

jerome ?

[gilded mason]

Why would Jerome be Hyper-lethal and not the team he's constantly with. (Disregarding that Hyper-lethal applies to all Spartans anyway)

[undone stirrup]

In one of the reach trailers, Halsey talks about all the members of noble team and when she gets to noble 6, she says “hyper lethal… there is only one other spartan with that designation.”
That other spartan is master chief, although jerome is almost at the hyper lethal level

[leaden cobalt]

Bruh I'm dead, Halo reach is 11 years old by now and that game kind of broke the lore of the fall of reach💀

[untold wasp]

i think is because of the existence of spartan III's

[unique rune]

no

It messed with the timeline of the Battle/Fall of Reach with two different versions that are difficult to reconcile with each other

343's mostly patched it up so they work together well enough but there's still some holes in it if you stare hard enough

[gusty star]

It’s been retconned. All Spartans are hyper-lethal

[ancient void]

Who are the Endless in Halo Infinite?

Is the Harbinger really part of the forerunner?

Or Prometheans?

[spring lily]

no, only the spartan 2s the chief and most members of noble team are considered hyper lethal.

no one else

[unique rune]

Uh. No.
That was retconned.

[spring lily]

are you sure?

[unique rune]

Quite sure

Ground Command introduced bits that broadened the rating out to all Spartan-IIIs, then the Official Spartan Field Manual went and applied it to all -IIs and -IVs.

[spring lily]

take a look

https://www.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/p1xayl/theres_zero_evidence_to_prove_sivs_and_siiis_were/

idk this is what i want to say but cant bc its discord

[unique rune]

...As far as I'm concerned, that post is pointlessly splitting hairs over a throwaway marketing line that was meant to cheaply and lazily hype up Noble Six.

[spring lily]

well look at lone wolf. he survives a whole crao ton of powerful elites and if all spartans are considered hyper lethal, why did some of the spartans die to a few brutes and jega rdomnai?

not very hyper lethal to me.

[unique rune]

Because Jega was an even greater threat?

At the time 117 and B312 were designated as "hyper lethal", they didn't have much of note under their belts either.

[spring lily]

hmm

got me there

though look at that animated halo series with john and a couple of other spartans. he is extremley proficient even from the beginning

[unique rune]

Sure, John was an exceptional soldier just like any other Spartan, but that's the problem.

He was just like any other Spartan.
Same goes for B312, considering the initial purpose of Spartans was to quickly and quietly take out Insurrectionist groups.

[spring lily]

but john isnt like any other spartanm.

[unique rune]

John's primary skill that set him apart was his leadership ability.
He otherwise didn't excel in any particular spot and was pretty much average for the group.

And it wasn't until the end of the Human-Covenant War when he was often viewed as the last surviving Spartan that he actually began to really set himself apart.

[spring lily]

ok pause on the debate but what is the weapons name at the end of the campaign? i presumed cortana

[cosmic zinc]

and his luck

[unique rune]

Still currently unknown, but I very much doubt she would pick Cortana as her name.

[spring lily]

well the way she looked at john for like approval i certainly assume so

and she was absolutely horrified to find out that she was a copy

[unique rune]

...Which is exactly why she wouldn't want to pick Cortana again

[cosmic zinc]

she was looking for approval to name herself. Not to name herself cortana

[unique rune]

The entire point is to distance herself from the failings of the original

[cosmic zinc]

^

[unique rune]

Her looking to the Chief for approval is more of a continuation of the Chief coming to trust the Weapon after all that's happened

[spring lily]

ehh i don think so

[cosmic zinc]

She is the replacement with the warnings from cortana to the weapon to not fail john like she did. She would not want to name herself after a self described failure.

[verbal bison]

Master Chief has never been shown to be a leader in any of the games. As cool as the books are the games take priority.

[unique rune]

I mean. Under 343's direction of the franchise the majority of media is given equal priority in terms of "canon".

[verbal bison]

Yeah that totally explains Laconia station

When you have a bunch of different people writing different things stuff gets messy I guess

[unique rune]

And then the other issue is that in the games he's either almost never put in a situation where he'd effectively be able to take on a leadership position or he's written with the emotional range of a cinder block.

[verbal bison]

I mean just the fact that all of his greatest accomplishments were done lone wolf kind of rules out the leadership thing. Maybe that was Halsey's original evaluation of him but its been overturned just by the facts imo

[unique rune]

He only ever pulls off those stunts "lone wolf" because everyone he could be in charge of is either dead or otherwise not present for him to be in command of them.

Which leaves us with the novels and other media to fill in the gaps.
Where he does demonstrate consistently capable leadership ability.

[candid nexus]

can someone message me or call me to summarize halo 5 and wars 2 so i know the info for halo infinite

or is that too much to ask lol

[verbal bison]

There are videos bruh

[candid nexus]

i did

i watched a 90 minute one

but im still confused

[versed helm]

Spartan 4s try to beat Master Chief and fail

[unique rune]

Try checking the plot synopses for both on Halopedia first.

Then if you still have questions I'm sure someone here could try to clear them up.

[versed helm]

And Cortana does a thing

[untold wasp]

Also blue girl goes evil and controls space police robot giants and terrorizes the universe

[candid nexus]

how does masterchief end up being almost killed by that banished leader at the start of the game

[untold wasp]

Halo wars 2: big evil monkey sends evil monkeys against humans over a place that makes donuts that kill all life

[verbal bison]

Sure he may be a decent leader, but it clearly isn't his greatest strength. If that was true he would have legitimately needed his team in Halo's CE-4

[cosmic zinc]

wait what... Being a good leader doesnt stop you from being fine on your own...

[unique rune]

No...?

Being a capable leader doesn't mean he's incapable of operating as an individual.

[versed helm]

If they were gonna make a story where people hunt Master Chief, don’t pull random Spartans out of nowhere

[verbal bison]

Halo 5: 4 hours of nonsense that you should just let your imagination fill in because I guarantee it will turn out as a better story. Halo Wars 2: Banished come in to fix Halo

[unique rune]

Chief arguably operates better in a team, but he's still exceptionally competent as an individual combatant. All of the successfully augmented Spartan-IIs are.

[candid nexus]

.

[untold wasp]

Also said oni Spartan and famous green man in suit have the most anticlimactic fist fight even though green man is way stronger

[versed helm]

Yeah if Green boi wanted to kill him he’d have done it within a minute

[verbal bison]

Atriox is a Veteran from the Human-Covenant War who led a rebellion against the Covenant starting a few years before Halo CE. His Banished outlasted the Covenant and are now one of the major factions in the Galaxy. He's a really strong warrior basically

[untold wasp]

Also teammate of other Spartan do absolutely nothing and watch them fight while holding guns

[versed helm]

I feel like the only Spartan he would have a genuine fight with is Noble, they both are the only Spartans to ever be called Hyper Lethal

[untold wasp]

Ye

[cosmic zinc]

Atriox was the brute that beat up chief. Essentially Atriox was used by the covenant as a suicide soldier (like the spartan 3's). Only Atriox was so good at killing he kept coming back. Eventually the prophets ordered his elite handlers to kill him. He killed them all and the banished formed. Brutes are stronger then the spartans in the first place. But most of them are apes and dont do a lot of tactical thinking. Thats what sets atriox apart. He beats up 3 spartan 2's in halo wars as well.

[unique rune]

Brutes are physically a lot stronger than Spartans, even with powered armor. Atriox also just happens to be a particularly strong Brute.

they both are the only Spartans to ever be called Hyper Lethal
I hate Bungie so much for introducing this bunk to Halo media.

[candid nexus]

i see

so how did chief end up on that ship

[manic swallow]

https://i.imgur.com/Lt5TsXg.png what is this ship and why does it have buildings on it

https://i.imgur.com/YbSVZeI.png

[verbal bison]

Master Chief is obviously the best Spartan at fighting. If not through natural talent then through sheer experience

[unique rune]

The UNSC Infinity? He was on board because he was part of the mission to stop Cortana at Zeta Halo.

[untold wasp]

Isn’t there also a unsc eternity

[candid nexus]

because isnt cortana trying to take over the world and stuff

[unique rune]

That is a CAS-class assault carrier. The building-like structures are just detail with no actual explanation thus far.

[candid nexus]

how did atriox get on that ship

[untold wasp]

Other space ship

Probably

[unique rune]

Still incomplete but as far as we know, yes, the Eternity still exists.

[manic swallow]

o awesome ty

[cosmic zinc]

last we heard the eternity had a bunch of parts stolen to repair the infinity.

[manic swallow]

also is this the covenent home city? its just a flying ship? does it have like grass and places to grow food? https://i.imgur.com/NjGP15c.png

thats the strangest place to live

wtf

[cosmic zinc]

that was before infinite of course

[manic swallow]

wtf is that even

[boreal current]

What are the odds the Endless are that one race the Flood somehow missed during their war against the Forerunners? I think Guilty spark noticed them right before the rings were fired

[unique rune]

High Charity is pretty much a mobile capital city/central hub thing for the Covenant, yes.

[manic swallow]

aliens actually live inside there?

how does it actually look

is there appartments and stuff and places to grow food?

[unique rune]

https://www.halopedia.org/File:HWF_HighCharity_CrossSection.jpg

[untold wasp]

Like a Dome

[unique rune]

I would suggest giving this page a read.
https://www.halopedia.org/High_Charity

[cosmic zinc]

have you played halo 2?

[untold wasp]

Also I know the grunts have food nipples

[manic swallow]

yeah i played since halo 1 but i just cant wrap my head around this object being a capital city

[untold wasp]

Grunts and jackals share the lower district and idk about the elites or brutes

[manic swallow]

it just looks like a place not fit to live

[boreal current]

Honestly truth couldnt have picked a worse time to do his purge

[manic swallow]

do you think covenent stand a chance vs asguardians?

(thors people)

[untold wasp]

Man died by the very thing he anointed and species he ordered to be eliminated

[tired terrace]

The “dome” is part of the san’shyuum homeworlds crust

As well as part of the planets of other contributing species of the covenant

[versed helm]

OK

[manic swallow]

man thats so weird

dont covenent have a place like humans call earth?

[tired terrace]

It’s a city but they don’t really make their own food there

[boreal current]

The resulting purge also left them all wide open to the graveminds attack

[tired terrace]

They import most of their stuff

[manic swallow]

o

[untold wasp]

It also holds a forerunner key ship

[tired terrace]

It is an empire after all

[manic swallow]

sorry i just cant find the word for it

but the flying city just feels so industrial

if it makes sense

[tired terrace]

Yeah it is

[manic swallow]

all metal and floating in space

[tired terrace]

The main factory of the covenant is inside high charity as well

[manic swallow]

i thought covnent would have a more cool place to call home with lush forests and grass

thats why it confuses me

lol

[tired terrace]

The city has a strange day night cycle that’s like 200 day hours to 10 nights hours something like that

[manic swallow]

also is that floating city bigger than earth?

[tired terrace]

And the atmosphere has quite a high level of methane to accommodate for the grunts

No it wouldn’t be

[untold wasp]

I thought they still used the tanks in high charity

[boreal current]

Maybe they based it on the Forerunners own capital?

[manic swallow]

whats so special about that flying city anyways

[tired terrace]

Yeah but in general it’s pretty high, there’s a separate level that exclusively grunts reside in

So they don’t have to wear masks

[untold wasp]

Capital of the entire covenant

[tired terrace]

It’s the holy city

[manic swallow]

o

[tired terrace]

The prophets reside there and so does the high council

[untold wasp]

I thought the jackals and grunts shared

[tired terrace]

No that sounds like an awful idea

[manic swallow]

so its like for example covenent would be america and high charity would be like washigton DC something very special?

that holds a place of power?

[unique rune]

Each client species of the Covenant has their own homeworld (sort of, the Prophets in the Covenant are pretty much limited to High Charity).

But the Elites, Grunts, Jackals, etc. all have a planet that's essentially like Earth for them.

[untold wasp]

Since isn’t that how the first grunt rebellion started

[tired terrace]

Each species has their own homeworld but they’re all part of the covenant and high charity is the capital of the covenant

[manic swallow]

oh cool

that makes sense now

can the high charity move tho?

[gilded mason]

Yes

[untold wasp]

Yes

[tired terrace]

Yeah

[manic swallow]

can it move from its location to earth if i twanted to?

[gilded mason]

Yup

[tired terrace]

It even has its own slip space drives

[manic swallow]

holy

[untold wasp]

Yup

[manic swallow]

tbh tho i still think the covenent are kinda stupid

[tired terrace]

You will see it suddenly appear in halo 2

[untold wasp]

But before they thought earth was just a place where the ark portal was

[gilded mason]

Halo 2 quite literally shows it using slipspace

[untold wasp]

They never expected that their worst enemy lived there

[tired terrace]

They did not know that earth was the human homeworld

[untold wasp]

Ya

[tired terrace]

Truth knew the entire time actually but did not tell the other prophets

[manic swallow]

also in the year 2550ish what would honestly happen if earth blew up, humans had so much colonies would it matter if they lost it?

[boreal current]

Yeah Regret knew the name the Forerunners knew it by

[gilded mason]

He knew for a little while more, at least

[manic swallow]

and by blow up i mean glassed

[gilded mason]

Uh. Yes. It'd matter.

By 2550s, humanity barely had any colonies left

[manic swallow]

and by glassed i mean reach level glassed

[tired terrace]

It was always his plan to seize power for himself and have the brutes take over from the elites and regret rushing to earth in 2 jeopardized everything

[boreal current]

See how the Brutes reacted to losing Dosaic

[manic swallow]

oh

lol true

i found out that brutes actually made it to the year 2100

wait

2200?

[untold wasp]

Especially when most were destroyed when thel was a the general

[manic swallow]

but blew themselfs up

wtf

brutes are actually smart

[boreal current]

Atrioxs lot are pretty competent all things considered

[untold wasp]

Atriox cared more than Tartarus

[unique rune]

The Brutes managed to make it to a spacefaring state before nuking themselves into oblivion

[tired terrace]

Brutes aren’t necessarily not smart but that their other traits take precedence and overpowering

[manic swallow]

wtf thats crazy

[unique rune]

They're not just a dumb bunch of bear-monkeys, they just tend to be impulsive and short-tempered

[tired terrace]

Prone to anger and above all the quest for individual glory is their chief priority

[untold wasp]

They make up some of those smarts with brutality

[boreal current]

Like how in Envoy the Brute antagonist was able to trick his elite counterpart quite easily

[untold wasp]

Pun not intended

[manic swallow]

u know what else is crazy humans in the halo universe actually managed to get reverted back to cavemen status then work their way back up to space faring civilization without no stinkin forrunner tech on earth meanwhile the stupid covenent had forerrunner tech ALL over their planet, i even read the first striker book once that cortana took over their ship once and improved on it, imagine if humans had forerunner tech on their planet to begin with covenent wouldnt stance a chance am I right or wrong lemme know

[boreal current]

Well we did we just didnt find it

[untold wasp]

Humans were spacefaring, then cave, then tested on by forerunners, then cave and back to spacefaring

[manic swallow]

it kinda pisses me off how covenent lost on ground battles

like how

[gilded mason]

Sangheili got slipspace, plasma, and gravity manip without using Forerunner tech

[manic swallow]

o

really?

OH

[gilded mason]

They didn't. Spartans tended to win ground battles. Not the UNSC at large

[boreal current]

I remember one elite was surprised how the Unsc missed a forerunner site that was right beneath their feet

[manic swallow]

but i thought in the books humans won the ground war and lost in space

[tired terrace]

No they usually did not

[manic swallow]

?!

[gilded mason]

Nope. It was a game of telephone from people who didn't read the books\

[manic swallow]

whaaaaaaaaaat!?

[untold wasp]

I mean the people of new mumbasa lived right over the portal to the ark

[boreal current]

I think it was more the ground battles were comparatively more even

[manic swallow]

man imagine being a human in that universe facing against plasma

plasma is like Insanely hot

[untold wasp]

And they hurt a lot

[manic swallow]

in the books what happens if plasma hits a spartan unshielded do they actually die?

[untold wasp]

Injured

[manic swallow]

from 1-2 HITS?

[untold wasp]

Depending on how charged it was

[gilded mason]

Yeah, the actual situation was that space battles were almost always a lost cause outside of specific circumstances, while ground battles could have the tide turned...once in a while.

[manic swallow]

just imagine tho

if humans right now

stumbled across the infinit ship

that would jump our tech 500+ years

[gilded mason]

They'd need to actually be able to built the tech.

[untold wasp]

Ya

[boreal current]

And understand the mechanics behind it

[gilded mason]

Yup

[tired terrace]

Humans have full access to forerunner technology as is, the covenant has always needed to break it down and reverse engineer it

[manic swallow]

true

[untold wasp]

wait, what were the covenant going to do anyways if they did kill all humans

[gilded mason]

Funnily enough, that's actually what made ONI have to allow Sangheili scientists into Onyx, since they were much better at researching Forerunner tech than humans.

[untold wasp]

since only humans can use them

[tired terrace]

They would’ve continued on the great journey and light the rings

[manic swallow]

^

[untold wasp]

you need a reclaimer to activate it

[manic swallow]

then kill themselfs because the rings would destroy all life

[tired terrace]

Yeah they understood that, only the prophets did

[untold wasp]

why else did they capture johnson

[tired terrace]

“That secret dies with the rest” refers to that

[manic swallow]

wait that makes no sense what i said how can the rings destroy all life in the universe they go like 20k light years? isnt the universe like billions of years long

[tired terrace]

There is a halo array

Each one only has a firing range of like 250k light years

[untold wasp]

all at once, galaxy gone

[gilded mason]

Not all life in the universe

All life in the galaxy

[manic swallow]

OH its galaxy

i thought universe nvm then

[untold wasp]

wait

isn't universe bigger than galaxies

[tired terrace]

Yes

[manic swallow]

yes

[boreal current]

I remember in Kilo Five that it was stated Forerunner tech involved several ideas/mechanics/theories that humanity had no concept of yet ie the engineer explaining literally couldnt tell them it in a human language

[manic swallow]

universe is what galaxies sit in

[untold wasp]

nvm for a second i thought the halos killed everything in the universe

[tired terrace]

Precursor technology was just as foreign to forerunners as their technology is to humans

[manic swallow]

universe=countries galaxies=states/cities etc

[untold wasp]

do you means galaxies=systems=planets=cities

[manic swallow]

yes

sorry yes

i hope one day tho

all marines are replaced with spartan 4's

[ancient void]

So who are the endless

[gilded mason]

We don't know

[manic swallow]

prob another species

forrunners/humans/elites etc/endless

[untold wasp]

there is an exact name for the species but that is kind of spoilers for infinite's campaign

[ancient void]

Maybe they were the precursor

[gilded mason]

Nah

[manic swallow]

doubt

[gilded mason]

Spoilers for the game are allowed here

[tired terrace]

There’s a channel right under this

[boreal current]

Its possible they are another off shoot. The Rion Forge novels introduced the possibility

[manic swallow]

are ancient humans diff than like humans in 2500's and 2021? whats diff about ancient humans

[tired terrace]

That is literally named campaign spoiler chat

[untold wasp]

if it was, then what is the point of the campaign spoiler chat

[gilded mason]

Look here:
#server-news message

[tired terrace]

Humans were spacefaring and the librarian said that given enough time and nurturing the human genome could surpass the forerunners

[ancient void]

But how did the UNSC Infinity got destroy by the Banished

[untold wasp]

ah ok

[ancient void]

It has a shielding

[tired terrace]

They were boarded and they abandoned ship and it crashed into zeta halo

[manic swallow]

ik that pisses me off

[gilded mason]

So do many Covenant ships, and they can also get destroyed

Infinity ain't special

[manic swallow]

um what?

infinit is suppose to be top tier ship

nothing can contend

[ancient void]

Yeah but they got rammed

[manic swallow]

it has forerunner tech AND covenent

[gilded mason]

It seems to have gotten outnumbered. That would do it.

[manic swallow]

wdym NOT special

its way faster too than covie ships

[gilded mason]

Not really.

[tired terrace]

No

[untold wasp]

they got rammed by another ship as they are getting bombarded and boarded

[gilded mason]

It's basically the equivalent of a Covenant Carrier

[boreal current]

Worth pointing out Juls faction lacked engineers while the Banished has plenty of them(at least in Halo Wars 2)

[tired terrace]

They arrived at zeta halo to deal with cortana, the banished arrived suddenly and they were unprepared

[manic swallow]

did u forgot that it pierced the diadacts ship?

thats a feat itsself..

[gilded mason]

And we've seen the Infinity get completely disabled by a Covenant energy projector.

It's not invincible.

[unique rune]

It made a temporary hole in the Mantle's Approach that quickly began to repair itself. It's technically impressive but not really a sign that it's unstoppable.

[manic swallow]

so ic ic

[gilded mason]

^

[manic swallow]

*oh

ah

so 2 infinite's at reach wouldnt make a difference or no?

[unique rune]

Probably not

[gilded mason]

No difference

[manic swallow]

o

[boreal current]

I forgot did the Didact just ignore Earths defences entirely?

[unique rune]

The combined invasion fleet at Reach was massive

[gilded mason]

Maybe a bit slower, maybe. But the conclusion will be the same.

[tired terrace]

320+ ships

They lost 2/3 by the end however

[untold wasp]

ya

[manic swallow]

idk if true but i read humans were fighting less than 5% of the covenant army

or 10%?

[unique rune]

Dialogue during Midnight suggests it pretty much just shrugged off Earth's defense network, yeah

[untold wasp]

either way, they were still almost defeated

[spare storm]

Ok wtf happened to the arbiter /val and red team did they die? Im so confused I may have missed a mission

[gilded mason]

Why do you think they died?

[untold wasp]

thel is probably still on sanhelious

[spare storm]

So far in my playthru on infinite there hasn't really been mention of them? Idk

[spare storm]

True true

[untold wasp]

red team still on the ark i believe

[manic swallow]

red team were spartan 2's and got friggin washed by atriox thats sad as hell 3 spartan 2's vs one brute

[gilded mason]

There wasn't mention of many characters

[manic swallow]

3 spartan 2's btw, 3 i repeat with super human str/reflexes

[gilded mason]

He caught them off guard. Not all encounters are gonna be on flat open fields and all that jazz.

[spare storm]

Did the rest of red team get killed by atriox is wut ur sayin?

[untold wasp]

no

[gilded mason]

Gonna be circumstances to each battle

[manic swallow]

no they got beat up tho

[unique rune]

Off guard, freshly thawed from cryo, and wearing outdated armor.
The odds weren't really in Red Team's favor to begin with.

[spare storm]

Oop

[tired terrace]

Campaign spoiler

That’s a no no

[spare storm]

My bad

[boreal current]

In Ghosts of Onyx there was one elite(i think he was ranked as a supreme fleet master) who had an even better reputation than the arbiter did but was essentially exiled due to the prophets fearing his influence. Sadly he was nuked into oblivion

[manic swallow]

so what if all marines were converted to spartan 4's would they win at reach still or no

[gilded mason]

Nope

[manic swallow]

wow

STILL NO/

[tired terrace]

Xytan jar watinree

[untold wasp]

no

[tired terrace]

He was imperial admiral

[untold wasp]

what would they do on the ground when it is raining plasma beams

[tired terrace]

I believe his official title is

[untold wasp]

and if they tried to get to the ships they probably will get shot down

[spare storm]

Oh yeah that one really oversized one that was abt 9ft tall and super smart could have taken the covenant to victory

[unique rune]

They'd probably have held out a bit longer but eventually Reach's ODP network would've fallen and the planet would inevitably be glassed

[manic swallow]

true actually, but that damage can be reversed or no? like can they like terraform the damages?

[tired terrace]

The planet can be reterratormed

[gilded mason]

Yes, eventually

[untold wasp]

it takes a long time

[manic swallow]

10+ years? 20+?

[tired terrace]

Reach was terraformed partially 30 years later

[manic swallow]

wow

[untold wasp]

it got burned

[spare storm]

Mmm fresh planet

[manic swallow]

how long does it even take for humans in that universe to terraform a planet

[untold wasp]

probably still a long time

[spare storm]

Can the unsc even do that?

[tired terrace]

It probably falls out of the unsc

Since they are the naval space corp

[untold wasp]

unsc is the military branch

[manic swallow]

wish we had some of that technology in our times lol

[spare storm]

Fr global pandemic poof gone

[manic swallow]

i read in the halo books that cancer in their era is a simple surgery/fix

lol

[untold wasp]

all global disaster would no longer be a problem

[manic swallow]

imagine all diseases are cured in that era

[spare storm]

That's awsome 😭

[manic swallow]

all mental illnesses prions bacteria/viruses

lol 95% cured

[untold wasp]

i mean they had the power to make all bone nearly unbreakable, give night vision to the naked eye, ect

[manic swallow]

crazy/cool actually

just imagine tho if elites did the same thing humans did

super soliders

we would prob lost harder

maybe even lost completely lol

[tired terrace]

Tbh I think that sort of thing would be dishonorable to an elite

[untold wasp]

i think they had their own version

the silent shadow

[tired terrace]

They do not like artificial enhancements very much

[untold wasp]

nope

[spare storm]

No one:

Sangheili doctor:

Depressed? gunshots Fixed!

[tired terrace]

Everything about sangheili culture is merit based and based on ones ability

[manic swallow]

wait dont elites have good healing technology?

[gilded mason]

They do

[tired terrace]

Wouldn’t matter if they did

[untold wasp]

most rather die tho

[manic swallow]

why wtf

[tired terrace]

Most elites prefer to commit suicide after grievous injuries

[manic swallow]

wait

THEY DONT wanna be healed?!

[untold wasp]

to preserve their honor

[gilded mason]

And many make use of it. They're not a monoculture, after all.

[tired terrace]

Any blood spilled out of combat including one by a doctor is dishonorable

[spare storm]

Ye in halo 5 u can see it front in center "no I will not let a medic tant my honor"

[gilded mason]

They have thousands of colonies. They're not gonna all think the same

[untold wasp]

I will not be shamed by a .... medic

[gilded mason]

Some will dislike doctors, but others will be fine with them

[manic swallow]

ah

[tired terrace]

Most will but there are exceptions

[spare storm]

fine then die like a coward and be useless to the arbiter gave me goosebumps 😭

[manic swallow]

elites confuse me i swear they have insane tech/strong as hell but they have like medival fudal japan warrior life style in the year almost 2600 wtf

[gilded mason]

They even have dedicated hospital ships that they make use of at battles.

[tired terrace]

It is typically an absolute sangheili rule to never allow yourself to be captured alive, but escape or rising up against your jailers is acceptable

[untold wasp]

also the line
when i draw my weapons it is to fight death herself

[gilded mason]

Medieval Europe, mainly. Knights mixed with the Norse.

[manic swallow]

yahh

[spare storm]

GOOSBUMPS this is y elites are my favorites

[manic swallow]

cya guys gonna get sleep thanks for answers

[untold wasp]

elites and grunts will be my favorite species

bye

[spare storm]

Theres a movie on Netflix abt the last "honorable" arbiter and they dress in Japanese style robes w similar plantation and structures

[tired terrace]

Halo legends

[gusty star]

Yeah a lot of the visuals in that are iffy canon at best

[unique rune]

The visuals in The Duel sure are... something.

[gilded mason]

^

Frankie, I believe, said not to take the visuals as gospel

[tired terrace]

Fal’s golden arbiter armor was quite something though

[unique rune]

Haka's samurai-inspired armor looks cool but boy does it also look silly.

[dense pulsar]

A Spartan with a plasma katana vs an elite with an energy sword

[gilded mason]

🤢

[tired terrace]

That would be a fairer fight than a Spartan wielding a energy sword against an elite with one admittedly

[spare storm]

Tbh it would be so awsome if the unsc made their own version of the energy sword-

[dawn knot]

Real sword

[spare storm]

A sword w a short blade but heated to a super high temp so it would just glow white and slice through flesh like butter

[tired terrace]

It’s non canon so I wouldn’t put that much thought into it

But it was a bio engineered brute basically

[spare storm]

That sounds terrifying

[unique rune]

Unimportant questions that are left unanswered for comedic effect and will likely never get followed up on because of the short's non-canonical status

[wind pier]

Why does cortana get deleted

[dusk basin]

so i cant post images but there's a cylix in the 2nd mission in the room where you get the power seed for the elevator for tremonius fight but im not sure what kind of cylix it is

its to the left, right behind the door you walk in

eye level, maybe a little higher

[wind pier]

Oh yeah fives campaign🤢🤢

[leaden cobalt]

It was a flood cylix for testing

[dusk basin]

it doesnt look like flood

[gusty star]

Yeah it does

[gilded mason]

And the filename for the texture had "flood" in it.

[leaden cobalt]

Nah the one he showed me turned out to be the Sangheli cylix cut off

[gilded mason]

Ah

[leaden cobalt]

Yeah but it's interesting how the flood spore is just being tested

I'm actually surprised that the cylixes, something I only ever saw visually in Halo Legends made it into a game which is pretty cool

[versed helm]

I'm not sure if this has already been found, or if it even means anything, but I found a ship while playing the campaign that seemed to be transporting the rings we see at the end of the game. (I realize it could just be a random forerunner structure, but it looked eerily similar too me.)

Link to my post with the photos here https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/rpfljy/spoiler_lore_finding/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[somber cobalt]

Yeah...that outpost was actively digging up forerunner structures to see what the banished could gain from it.

[worthy sleet]

||the endless are actually furries||

[gilded mason]

based

[somber cobalt]

if the endless are like the harbinger...wouldn't that make then scalies?

[versed helm]

im dumb

[hushed seal]

Because Atriox did it

[somber cobalt]

cortana, cornered by atriox, decided to set up a protocol to aid chief since she didn't believe him to be dead then set off the explosion that fractured the ring. Cortana, unable to upload herself elsewhere (apparently) died in the explosion.

[livid apex]

The Endless are actually the Precursors, I believe? Do correct me if I am wrong.

[glacial oracle]

Will do, the Endless are not the Precursors and are a completely separate race/species

[vernal notch]

Are the Endless really that worse than the Flood?

[left gazelle]

Sounds like they are

[opal gazelle]

Infinite has the "show dont tell" problem in regards to the endless.

[opal gazelle]

The name "Xalanyn" doesnt mean they arent related to precursors and the prisoner audio logs set off so many red flags that making them not precursors would be nearly a retcon

[somber tiger]

I think the endless are the “meddlers” mentioned in theory videos

[versed helm]

Could the harbinger be a precursor?

Some of them fled the galaxy so they could've evolved even further than tier 0

[versed helm]

The "meddlers" are the name given to any uncatagorized species in the halo universe

[somber tiger]

Ohhhhh

Idk about them being precursors, as the forerunners were able to wipe them out

[versed helm]

But some of them fled the galaxy and most of them eventually became the flood so it's possible that they could've developed an immunity to the halo rings and passed it down

[opal gazelle]

she directly quotes the gravemind without ever meeting him, and drives a human to insanity just by talking.
100% related to the precursors

[glacial oracle]

Relation? Maybe. But they aren't Precursors. To begin with the Harbinger is a member of the Xalanyn race and is obviously not a precursor thus there isn't any reason that the rest are. Ontop of this the Precursor race was genocided by the forerunners remember because they are very much Killable. It stands the reason that any found precursors were simply killed there is no reason for them to be trapped within the rings with the danger they represent. Thus is all on the basis that the precursors were alive because remember most turned into the flood

None of this matters either as we already know they aren't precursors considering that the Xalanyn race had a full trial and everything before their imprisonment.

[verbal bison]

Xalanyn could be who the precursors wanted the succeed them. I have a theory that I don't necessarily believe in that the Precursors could've have sent the flood to clear the way for the Xalanyn to take the Mantle of Responsibility

[glacial oracle]

It's well established that Humanity are the ones the precursors wanted to take the mantle of responsibility. Also there is no way the precursors would turn themselves into flood for that plan.

We all know by books and games it was accidental

[verbal bison]

Plans change, as the Chief said. Part of what I like about the new mystery that is being added.

[glacial oracle]

There isn't a reason to change. If im being genocided by my creations my first thought isn't to change the mantle to someone else. If it wasn't for the halos which the precursors never planned the entire galaxy would be dead because kf the flood.

BTW not trying tk be rude typing on phone thus cutting my words

[verbal bison]

It wasn't necessarily because they were being genocided. Maybe the Precursors just didn't think the humans were capable of protecting themselves from the forerunners and made a backup plan? Just speculating btw

[thick ruin]

can we just acknowledge the fact that John detonated a tacical nuke with no sheild and was completely fine

[left gazelle]

What can I say? He's simply built differently.

[versed helm]

I like some of the concepts in the forerunner trilogy but that era of Halo is just overly convoluted

Plus it just makes the once mysterious forerunners look incredibly stupid

Imho

[leaden cypress]

The audio log that shows his mind collapsed proves that the endless are precursors as before the rings fired when the humans captured a precursor, him telling the truth as so the harbinger did to the prisoner caused them to go mental because their minds couldn't handle the truth

[echo parcel]

So are the Endless just more Xalanyn?

Because the Harbinger’s Cylix shows a different image from the Endless

[manic swallow]

the milky way galaxy is massive so theres prob more life that just flood/humans/banished covenent etc etc

we just know of the races so far up in halo 6

but theres prob more

[quaint lichen]

Everyone’s trying to solve that tablet language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gypwUCv2HR4

[undone stirrup]

Are you sure that’s not just the forerunner alphabet?

[quaint lichen]

Negative

[brisk elm]

What do needlers and forerunner weapons use as ammo

[glacial oracle]

Soz for late reply. Back then pretty sure ancient Humanity and the Forerunners were much closer in terms of power than now. A backup plan could be possible but considering the Liberians continued perusing of John/Humanity it seems a bit far fetched

[glacial oracle]

You mean in Infinite or lore?

[glacial oracle]

I think Harbinger will be physically different than the rest of the Endless. During the final fight with her she mentions a few times that the Forerunners changed her physical appearance.

[raw moon]

correct me if I'm wrong, but Marine and ODST armour can stop the ARs rounds ?

[echo parcel]

Really? I never realised they did anything to her like that. But if she is still the same species would they not put the same image on her Cylix. Unless it was so they could identify between the normal endless and the endless they tested on?

[modest quarry]

Needlers use blamite crystals and forerunners use particle technology.

[echo parcel]

Is it not hard light?

[raw moon]

thats what hard light is

technically

[echo parcel]

Ah right

[glacial oracle]

Thats something i was confused about. Up until Halo Infinite I always thought that Cylixs contained the genetic code of a species and not a individual. So that after the halo rings fired the Cylix will open and artificially create the species again based on the genetic code. Yet the Harbinger was a individual that was contained.

Your theory is certainly plausible because considering that once the Forerunners discovered the Endless were immune to the Rings it makes sense that they would experiment to find out why

[raw moon]

it might be both

some might just store the genetic code

while some might contain a individual

[echo parcel]

That’s bothered me too! How do they pick which to save from each species in the Cylix and which to let die to the halo blast? Do they do genetic screening to find the best from each species in terms of their genetics or pick at random?

[glacial oracle]

It would also make sense to separate important figures from the Endless. Considering the Forerunners held a entire trial for the Endless before they were contained i suppose individually trapping their leaders or figures would make sense.

[glacial oracle]

Yeah. Seems like they can do both

[raw moon]

yeah

i wouldnt be surprised if they kept certain members

just to test on

[echo parcel]

Exactly

And then a different logo or whatever so they know which Xalanyn they tested on and which they didn’t

[raw moon]

also, just to check, the Spirit of Fire would have some sort of Intelligence unit attached ?

[glacial oracle]

Absolute random I would suspect. They would get one default strain of code and contain it. Humanity would probably be easier but then you got sub-species of the Kig-Yar and so on

[glacial oracle]

For Recon? Yeah Def

[raw moon]

yeah

alright cool

one more question, do we know if ODST armour was had some sort if exo skeleton built in?

i know one of the books mention older models did, but im not sure on newer ones

[glacial oracle]

Yup and unfortunately nope. Its practically a more hardened and electronic armor. It doesn't alter their strength or anything like that.

[raw moon]

ah

[echo parcel]

Bruh I had a huge message deleted because I mentioned a kind of genetic disability. Not using it as an insult, but just talking about it lol

[glacial oracle]

Its more or less a vacuum tighten suit with armor plates

[glacial oracle]

I saw that get deleted haha

[raw moon]

ok, i was more meaning one for supporting the armour, not so much increasing the strength of the user

[echo parcel]

Basically I said you shouldn’t pick a human at random as they could have a genetic deficiency like Haemophilia. They would then transfer that deficiency to their children and so on

[raw moon]

that and one of the hellbringer lines mention their Exo chaffing

[glacial oracle]

Yeah I know which one your talking about. Your talking about the one that Crespo wore in Halo: New Blood. It had a Exo-skeletion that was less potent than the Spartans but it was a exclusive thing.

[raw moon]

alright

[glacial oracle]

Im sure the Forerunners had some kind of screening process but that is a risk 100%

[tidal imp]

The Forerunners had gene therapy on a level that it could be applied as part of one’s profession

Why would they care about any genetic disease?

https://www.halopedia.org/Forerunner_mutation

[raw moon]

@glacial oracle at 40 seconds

https://youtu.be/A04ZmY2UHgU?t=39

the Hellbringer mentions an Exo skeleton

not much, but i wouldnt be surprised if some UNSC armours had some sort of support system built in

[glacial oracle]

Hellbringers were designed to operate and deploy plenty of diverse weapons. A Exo-skeletion shouldn't be a hard task for the UNSC so specialised units that require them would make sense. Also when you consider that the Spirit of Fire was a decently old crew it makes sense that even if a Exo-skeletion was ruled out in future models they would still have theirs.

[raw moon]

yeah

its one of those things that would fit with the UNSC

at least for the more heavier armoured units

[glacial oracle]

Yeah exactly. They sound expensive however. Considering the suicidal missions ODST usually embark on them not having it makes sense.

[raw moon]

eh not really

[glacial oracle]

Ya reckon?

[raw moon]

yeah

at the moment exos are expensive

but in 500 years? not so much

the only real problem would be powering them long term

since they dont have the power packs like Mjolnir

[glacial oracle]

This is under the assumption that their exo-skeletions are in comparison to ours. I dont doubt that theirs require a new set of materials and equipment to build and use that would make them expensive. Especially considering that the capabilities that each exo would provide would far outweigh what we have atm.

[raw moon]

yeah

true

anyway, at least the Halo 5 ODST concept art had them with Exos

[glacial oracle]

Not many sources tho so its really just up for interpret

[glacial oracle]

Yerah exactly

[raw moon]

which i know isnt cannon, but still

its close enough at the moment

[glacial oracle]

Yeah I agree

[raw moon]

well thanks for the help

its just been a thing thats been bugging me for a bit

[glacial oracle]

Np!

[raw moon]

i do hope we see those new ODSTs in Infinite

[versed helm]

Hey, the link's 404-ing. Has the link updated?

[obsidian thistle]

Oh that was pinned prior to the forum update.

Its been unpinned :P

[boreal current]

Was anyone else annoyed no one aside from John pointed out how hypocritical cortana was during 5? She boasted about how the Spartan 2s were "her" Spartans and said she was nothing like Halsey who she said would pay for her crimes

[spare turtle]

If I played every Halo game (even the spin-offs) in chronological order what order would I play them in?

Also when would I play Spartan ops?

[versed helm]

Halo Wars, Reach, CE, Fireteam Raven, 2, ODST, 3, Halo 4, Halo 5, Halo Wars 2, Halo Infinite

[split flax]

@versed helm ODST comes before 3.

[versed helm]

You’re right

I don’t know why I thought Halo 3 took place in Mombasa.

[spare turtle]

Are Spartan strike and assault Canon? Also when would I play Spartan ops?

[versed helm]

Spartan Assault takes place with Halo 4s timeline

Spartan Strike takes place during both Halo 2 and Halo 4…according to what I am reading since I never actually played it. So it has a jump in the timeline I’m assuming

And Spartan Ops takes place during Halo 4

[inner anvil]

how long is credits i cant skip it and i wanna see post credits scene

[spare turtle]

When does the game jump forward in the timeline?

[versed helm]

Never played it so I couldn’t tell you.

[icy abyss]

Am I dumb for thinking that skimmers come from some kind of aquatic environment. I have no idea how they can stand on those legs they have

They'd look like spiders almost

[quick slate]

also, play ODST right after Metropolis

[hollow haven]

Excluding the Halo Wars, isn't the correct order of the games lore wise Reach, 1, ODST, 2, 3, 4, 5, and Infinite, right?

[gusty star]

No

Malpais literally explained where ODST goes in the message right before yours

[split flax]

ODST falls halfway between halo 2.

[boreal current]

It starts literally as the plot leaves Earth in 2

[split flax]

Yep Mombasa

[boreal current]

Actually how long did it take the Amber in Clad to reach Delta Halo?

[gusty star]

13 days

[gusty star]

Not even close

ODST ends on October 21st 2552

H3 starts on November 17th, 2552

[split flax]

My bad meant 2.

@gusty star

You can stand down google.

[quick slate]

Chief is almost 50, thought he was younger

[gusty star]

Biologically he is likely in his 30s

[split flax]

40’s.

[boreal current]

So I'm guessing the discovery of Delta Halo must have big enough news for Truth to conduct his purge of the Elites taking part in the siege on Earth early without anyone noticing

[gusty star]

I say 30s because of his time in cryo in addition to his augmentations' Spartans are in their prime for unknown amount of time

[quick slate]

Wasnt he on ice for like 4 years though?

[gusty star]

Most likely yeah or those brutes just did it

[gusty star]

That's why I mentioned the augmentations too

[split flax]

Yes, put him at 43.

I doubt he spent more than 4 years on top of that in cryo in the middle of a war.

[quick slate]

he was on ice in CE but that was for like a few days

[split flax]

Augmentations don’t take away age, though. So he’d still be in his early 40’s.

Red team on the other hand, 20 year olds lol.

He’d only be in cryo as on the pillar during travel. There’s no reason he’d had spent a total of 3 years in cryo.
So at the latest I’d say he’s 41-42. So take off 5 or 6 years from his age of 47 from the H4 Cryo.

[gusty star]

Actually they do. Spartan Field Manual stated this

[quick slate]

Isnt he 49 now?

[boreal current]

Actually I wonder what the captains of Regrets fleet(and Regret himself) were thinking when they realised they just discovered the Human homeworld

[gusty star]

They were confused and panicked and embarrassed

[quick slate]

they couldve just threatened to glass the place

[split flax]

You mean they age slower? @gusty star

That doesn’t mean they are younger,. That means they age slower.
Common terms; they don’t wrinkle as fast.

[quick slate]

Chief was born 2511 and Infinite takes place 2560~ he woild be 49

[split flax]

He’s still in his 40’s, as humans age by the year and their birthday.

[gusty star]

Are being biologically younger and aging slower not the same thing

[split flax]

True, and we’ll add six months to his space cryo.

[gusty star]

We're talking about biological age

[split flax]

Aging slower and bio age are different with Spartans.

They age slower due to their cells.
It doesn’t change their birthday, or how old they are.

Do they look and feel younger? Yes. But they are still old.

Sea turtles age WAY slower than humans. Are they still a hundred years older than us? Yes.

You don’t look at a tree and say “oh that tree is only 30 years old because that’s how they age”.

[quick slate]

What about Avery? he was in somewhere before 80 in H3

[gilded mason]

He was also in cryo for about half his life.

[quick slate]

thats why he lookin fine

[split flax]

Red team is in their 20’s.

[gusty star]

Yeah, no one was talking about their chronological age

I know it doesn't change their birthday

I was strictly talking about bio

[split flax]

Everyone was asking how old he is.

[gusty star]

^

[split flax]

No.

[gusty star]

This is what started the conversation bruh

[quick slate]

arent most of the Spartan IIs around the same age?

[split flax]

That’s not how age works and cryo.

[split flax]

Yes, most. But cryo effects their age.

Which is why the age gap is so huge.

[quick slate]

Red Team was put on ice for the longest i think?

[split flax]

@quick slate 30 years pretty much.

[quick slate]

the whole human covenant war and abit after that too

[split flax]

Yes, so 30 years about.

[quick slate]

28 years exact

[split flax]

Awesome.

I’m pretty sure they are exactly 20 now that I think of it.

Prolly 21 ish now.

[quick slate]

Making them 21-22 years old

If they were close to the chiefs age

[boreal current]

It would explain how casual they are

[split flax]

@boreal current and inexperienced.

Which is why atriox handed them a full meal deal. Experience weighs all.

[quick slate]

Well chief aldo got handed by atriox

[split flax]

Yes, but it wasn’t a 3v1 lol.

Brutes are stronger than Spartans though which is expected anyways.

[quick slate]

all alive spartan IIs vs Atriox who would win?

[split flax]

Spartan II’s.

They ain’t that strong 🤣

No plot armor, hand for hand a brute would win.

[quick slate]

Do the Spartan IIs win or Atriox????

[tacit charm]

unless atriox argumented or had poorly animated shields any spartan 2s in mark 6 or higher would be able to handle atriox

[quick slate]

what about Tartarus?

[tacit charm]

idk

[versed helm]

That’s why Chief did it so well?

[tacit charm]

man got killed by arbiter

[tacit charm]

ye...

[quick slate]

and Johnson

[tacit charm]

well

[split flax]

No.

[tacit charm]

wdym

[split flax]

Wait

You saying atriox would win?

Or lose?

[tacit charm]

would handle atriox

[versed helm]

He said they would beat Atriox

[split flax]

Spartan II would lose the fight.

[tacit charm]

im not saying win cause that's gonna cause alot of debates here

[split flax]

One for one, Spartan II would lose.

[boreal current]

Worth pointing out but both fights started with Atriox getting the drop on his opponents

[split flax]

Brutes kill Spartans all the time.

[tacit charm]

that depends if atriox is augmented or not or if he had shields

[split flax]

It’s also stated a lot in the lore brutes man handle Spartans.

[quick slate]

All 330 currently alive Spartan IIIs?

[versed helm]

I doubt any old S2 is gonna win easily

[tacit charm]

if not then the fight would look closer to cal vs that one 12 ft tall brute fight in legends

[split flax]

Brutes beat Spartan II’s.

One for one, a brute would win.

[versed helm]

Didn’t Chief nearly till die to a normal Brute?

[quick slate]

ok setting in IIs Vs Atriox. With best gear, peak shape and even ground who would win?

[tacit charm]

i mean depending on the situation

[tacit charm]

man was likely tired plus got caught off guard

[versed helm]

Atriox

[tacit charm]

depends which armour

[versed helm]

No…

[split flax]

Just look up any book and read any lore on it. That’s not a situation, hand for hand, a brute would win.

That’s lore lol.

[tacit charm]

look at glasslands

naomi uppercutted a brute and broke his spine and face

[boreal current]

Hand to Hand a brute would win in most cases. Spartans are just smart/skilled enough to deal with Brutes through other means

[tacit charm]

look at cal

[quick slate]

@tacit charm i said best gear, including armor

[tacit charm]

so gen 3?

[versed helm]

Yeah a Brute is winning especially Atriox. This shouldn’t even be a question.

[quick slate]

i dont halo equipment lore

[boreal current]

Then again there was that one spartan who beat a hunter in hand to hand combat

[versed helm]

He embarrassed both Chief and Red Team.

[split flax]

Now look at most other encounters. You can’t just pick a outlier and expect all lore to follow that one scenario.

[tacit charm]

also there's the instance of john fighting a 12 ft tall brute in halo 4 and won through unknown means

[split flax]

Not plot armor, which Naomi has, a brute wins.

[tacit charm]

...

[quick slate]

Atriox also had the element of surprise in those situation

[split flax]

John, has plot armor.

[versed helm]

Element of Surprise is not an excuse when it’s a 1v3

[quick slate]

Outdated armor?

[split flax]

Atriox has also been fighting for as long as they have been alive.

Armor has nothing to do with it, they didn’t get shot. They got their butts beat.

[versed helm]

^^^

[split flax]

Brutes, out strength Spartans, this is proven by lore.

Speed, by lore.

[quick slate]

Noble vs Red/Blue Team?

[versed helm]

Noble is getting destroyed

[split flax]

Red/Blue.

[boreal current]

Actually in the red team vs atriox fight they kept on trying to charge him

[quick slate]

red or blue

[split flax]

SII’s are WAY tougher lol.

[split flax]

That’s how the UNSC trained SII’s early on in the war.

[versed helm]

Exactly. Man was basically standing still

[split flax]

Blue. They have way more experience.

A even fight, would maybe be omega and red team. But I’d give it to omega for the W.

[quick slate]

Wasnt Omega a Spartan II group under Jeromes lead?

[versed helm]

Isn’t Omega the one with Kurt or whatever his name was?

I done forgot the book

[split flax]

No.
@quick slate

Robert, Leon, August.

[boreal current]

Omega was led by a particularly edgy Spartan

[quick slate]

Team Omega?

[split flax]

Plus 3 more members, that are unknown.

[split flax]

Yes.

Jerome is the leader in halo wars 2 multiplayer, but he’s just the leader. There is no lore back behind his appearance.

[tacit charm]

by that logic and can say look at that one instant where john got choked out by a brute as an outlier (though there is a line before that said his armour was damaged or something so ill check that eventually). there's also one and i mean one instances of a brute still fighting after it got shot in the head by a sniper rifle. in most instances of brutes v spartans it's usually the Spartan's coming out on top (i would collect actual quotes though there's no way im looking through every book rn). there's also the fact that in chief in mark 6 is able to punch through titanium quite casually in h3 and shadows of reach chief my man, oh boy. man literally yeeted a banshee a significant distant with an elbow, moved around casually in 25 g environment and managed to deadlift a granite boulder while injured (im not saying lifting = punch cause that's not the case rather just the difference in strength between each armour).

[versed helm]

Holy crap

[quick slate]

is Omega Team in the SoF?

[split flax]

No.

[boreal current]

So just to break down the surviving Spartans 2s: Blue Team, Red Team, Gray Team and Naomi. Is that right?

[quick slate]

Where are thet now?

[split flax]

Dude, please just google search brutes vs Spartans ffs.

The internet is free.

[quick slate]

• Omega

[tacit charm]

proceeds to find cal yeeting 12 ft brute

[split flax]

Omega as well.

Legends, isn’t cannon.

[versed helm]

There’s a reason why Spartans feared Brute encounters.

[split flax]

FYI. @tacit charm lol

Legends is not cannon, this is well known.

[versed helm]

Like I said, Chief nearly died to a brute in one of The books. No he was not tired or jumped.

He just simply got his butt ate out backwards.

[tacit charm]

proceeds to find chief yeeting several brutes in keyship
proceeds to find jerome yeeting several brutes
proceeds to find jerome also yeeting brutes in a relatively short time
proceeds to find naomi yeeting one brute with one punch and choking the carp out of a brute

[gusty star]

Aside from Odd One Out, Cortana's ruminations, and some of the iffy depictions of The Duel, yes it is canon

[split flax]

Are you looking at pictures?

[tacit charm]

....

[split flax]

Or are you actually reading?

[tacit charm]

everything from legends is canon expect odd one out

[split flax]

Please READ LORE. Pictures do not easily lore.

[tacit charm]

i have

wat you mean

[quick slate]

who was the first ever Spartan-II to survive the augmentations without losing ability to use some limbs or die

[versed helm]

Chipps Dubbo

Lol

[tacit charm]

yes

[quick slate]

Who Naomi?

[tacit charm]

some lady

[split flax]

Done arguing with this guy, can’t beat a dead horse.

[tacit charm]

wat

how

[gusty star]

My guy literally said Legends was non canon

[split flax]

You’re the only one who thinks Spartans will beat a brute. One and one.

[tacit charm]

pls give me actual examples of brute yeeeeting

[split flax]

Thinking of odd one out.

[tacit charm]

they can

[versed helm]

All this started from if a S2 could beat Atriox…which they couldn’t and wouldn’t

[tacit charm]

that really depends if atriox is augmented or has shields or if he surprise attacks people

[quick slate]

all of them at once?

[versed helm]

All of them at once yes

But droggo is saying 1-on-1

[quick slate]

my friend now owes me 2 dollars

[versed helm]

Augmented shields or not

[split flax]

1 on 1, brute wins.

[versed helm]

Atriox is whooping them all in a one on one

[tacit charm]

or maybe atriox is legit just built differently as of now idk

[boreal dome]

1 on 1 is an easy brute dub

[versed helm]

Thank you

[tacit charm]

depends which amour spartan is using

[versed helm]

It don’t matter….

[tacit charm]

mark 4 to 5 sure

(maybe)

[split flax]

Also, chief was almost killed by a brute in first strike. After being strangled.

[boreal dome]

now give the spartan a firearm and we might start looking at different outcomes

[tacit charm]

again

[boreal dome]

fists and melee though? no shot

[tacit charm]

i need to look into a quote that says something about his armour being damaged also he was caught by surprise by the brutes

[versed helm]

I been mentioned that but it was ignored

[quick slate]

330 Spartan IIIs vs Atriox + the hand of atriox?

very specific number yes

[split flax]

Caught by surprise doesn’t matter. Fist for fist, the brute still strangled him.

[tacit charm]

atriox

[versed helm]

These are wildly unfair numbers

[boreal dome]

depends on what weapons the spartans have

[quick slate]

Im counting the alive spartan IIIs

[versed helm]

I know and you said 330 of them

That’s unfair

[quick slate]

Atriox gets friends this time

[versed helm]

That’s like 5 people

Lol what?

[boreal dome]

give 330 spartan IIIs some rockets or lasers or snipers and its a diff story

[quick slate]

my mathwwent wrong there

lemme reboot my braincells for a second

ok so, how many spartan IIIs would it take to kill an Atriox?

All at once

[versed helm]

Like 6

[split flax]

Sole people think Spartans are some huge war machine that are unstoppable and that’s not the case. Chief is just strong because he has plot armor, Spartans die. ALOT. Lmao.

[quick slate]

how many spartan IIs to take down an Atriox?

[versed helm]

Just don’t be brain dead like Red team and rush him 😂

[split flax]

I’d say normal, non plotted like 6 yeah.

[boreal current]

In their regular gear or in actual Mjolnir armor?

[split flax]

Like 3.

[boreal dome]

mjolnir armor is their regular gear tho lol

[quick slate]

ok so now, all currently alive Spartan IIs vs Atriox

[boreal current]

I’m talking about the 3s

[split flax]

Red team would have won the fight, but it wasn’t a fight to pick.

[boreal current]

I mean the spi armor they used for their suicide missions

[versed helm]

I give props to the Donny who got his shoulder messed up. He gave it his all 😭😂😂😂

[quick slate]

Would Atriox + The Hand of Atriox win against all the currently alive Spartan IIs?

[split flax]

Yes.

[versed helm]

Woah now

You’re forgetting that Chief is part of those Spartan 2s

[split flax]

There ain’t even that many SII’s alive.

[quick slate]

like 17?

[versed helm]

With him they have a chance

[split flax]

Dunno the pop of the hand of atriox but I’m pretty sure it’s WAY more than SII’s.

[split flax]

Less I think.

Grey team and Omega are MIA.

[quick slate]

3+3+4+1+6?

[versed helm]

From what we’ve seen they’re not that many

[split flax]

What numbers do these mean

[gilded mason]

Gray isn't MIA currently

[quick slate]

If we count Gray and Omega teams

Red consists of 3 Spartans, Blue 4, Omega 6, Gray 3 and Naomi being alone

[boreal current]

I'm surprised Thel didnt ask for a meeting with Gray team

[split flax]

I miss something?

[split flax]

Omega is 3.