lore-and-universe

[grim echo]

What happened to red team? and why are they all wearing the same armor instead of unique ones like blue team?

[nimble laurel]

Red teams armour is standard mjolnir and they have been listed as Mia by the unsc and I think all armour at the time if harvest was the same @grim echo

[limber dagger]

Red Teams armor is also about 30 years old at this point. They never got the upgrades to the new generations of mjolnir

[grim echo]

oh alright, was halo wars continued?

the story

[nimble laurel]

@grim echo halo wars 2

[ornate geode]

Just Halo Wars and Halo Wars 2

[grim echo]

Yea but after halo wars 2 was the story abandoned or continued in the comics?

[nimble laurel]

Not entirely sure about that but maybe 🤔 @grim echo

[grim echo]

Red team dlc in halo infinite would be nice

[ornate geode]

I just pulled up a page on all the books 'cause im not a book guy. Theres quite a few that continue on Halo 5 and Halo Wars' story. Even a book that mentions Zeta Halo, might be worth a look!

[grim echo]

oh alright thanks good to know

[nimble laurel]

@grim echo never know could possibly be on the road map fir future dlc

[grim echo]

Yea i was also thinking the halo infinite ending would be all spartans reuniting to stop the banish but yea lol wild imagination indeed

[versed helm]

i think that's bound to happen, because the weapon herself kinda admits that another spartan ends up doing what chief had to do

[grim echo]

sounds interesting

blue team was mentioned by halsey so thats nice

[nimble laurel]

@versed helm as long as its not locke I don't care but buck on the other hand well he gets a pass 😂

[versed helm]

i seriously hope not. but, as far as i can tell, it has to be red team, cause, right now, they're the only team with the same armour archetype as chief's, hence the weapon's confusion

[grim echo]

true

[nimble laurel]

@versed helm think grey team are still alive aswell

[ornate geode]

Ok but fr fr if the SoF is back i scream

[grim echo]

and green team maybe

[versed helm]

would be more lore friendly if it was red team, i think. cause they brought in the banished and everything. like, red team seems to be the most likely

[grim echo]

wait is atriox in infinite?

[nimble laurel]

now correct me if I'm wrong please but I think blue, red, grey and naomi are still alive oh and serin and musa

[versed helm]

naomi is

[grim echo]

wonder where she is now

[versed helm]

last i checked, red was as well, at the end of HW2, and blue also is, in shadows of reach. serin is on some planet, hiding with hood

[nimble laurel]

And there was 1 more s2 that left and had a family

[versed helm]

Naomi? Cause her dad is still alive

[versed helm]

i hope it does

[nimble laurel]

@versed helm naomi is with kilo 5

[versed helm]

Ah. Then I don't know the S-II yer talking about

[half warren]

I have a pretty good understanding of the what flood really is and its horrifying

[nimble laurel]

Think it was maria 042 qnd grey team are working as part of a joint task group with the elites if I remember that's how envoy ended @versed helm

[half warren]

i think the flood is the most complex, strongest and most disturbing zombie-like life form in media or at least top 3

[nimble laurel]

@half warren I would say the flood are the worst because the more they consume the smarter they get and only thing I can think that has the 2nd spot would be dead space

[grim echo]

Well at least they can't t bag so we got that going for ourself

[half warren]

i think there the worst simply because of what they truly are and there precursor origin

it’s so bad that it made hyper advanced humans commit suicide

[autumn shale]

Yeah, her name is Maria-062, she retired before halo 2 and she tested the Mark VI Mjolnir armor

[scarlet hinge]

after Awakening the Nightmare, Atriox was able to communicate with Escharum from the Ark and command him to reactivate the portal on Reach to let him come back to the galaxy

[nimble laurel]

@autumn shale thanks wasn't 100% sure

[autumn shale]

np

[scarlet hinge]

around this time, Infinity was deployed to Reach independently to recover a lockbox from CASTLE Base's ruins containing something unspecified (likely Halsey brain clones used to make The Weapon)

in the middle of that battle, a Guardian showed up and Infinity was forced to evacuate

[echo glade]

hmmmm... yes... I know some of these words

[versed helm]

The flood is the most disturbing creature period.

[nimble laurel]

Which leaves the spirit of fire and red team still at the ark

[versed helm]

Except for The Borg maybe.

Nah The Gravemind is still too scary.

[nimble laurel]

Flood would assimilate the borg so resistance Is futile 🤣🤣🤣

[echo glade]

wait so atriox and escharum are in some of the other games?

[scarlet hinge]

Halo Wars 2, yeah

[versed helm]

Oh right.

[scarlet hinge]

Just Atriox though, not Escharum

[echo glade]

oh yeah I forgot about halo wars.... the only games I didn't play

[versed helm]

Could the reapers make the flood into robots?

[half warren]

Gravemind is surface level

[echo glade]

didn't we blow up the ark in halo 3 or something?

[scarlet hinge]

we heavily damaged it

[half warren]

the real horror of the flood is the precursors

[scarlet hinge]

when Installation 08 (the ring in Halo 3) fired, it did a lot of damage to the Ark

but the installation wasn't destroyed and, over time, was able to rebuild itself

as an aside, here's a cutscene from HW2 with Atriox/The Banished's backstory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-RMEYMu82Y

[half warren]

anyone know whats so different ab zeta halo

[versed helm]

The precursors are the flood btw.

Pls no spoilers.

[half warren]

yea that’s the thing there philosophy it’s self is horrid

[scarlet hinge]

back in the Forerunner era, there were two Halo arrays constructed

[nimble laurel]

Don't think so only ones that wre immune was ancient humanity as they had made a cure before the halos were first fired I think

[echo glade]

Ok, I can connect the dots there. What about Cortana though? As weird as halo5 was I still think leaving the end of halo 5 behind is weirder

[scarlet hinge]

the original, the Senescent Array, consisted of 12 rings with a 30,000km diameter

[versed helm]

The precursors create life and the flood assimilate it and the cycle repeats itself.

[scarlet hinge]

the new one, the Neoteric Array, consists of sevem rings with a 10,000km diameter

[versed helm]

YES

[half warren]

the theories don’t make it any better there creepy as hell

[half warren]

so zeta halo is from the senescent array?

[scarlet hinge]

aye

[versed helm]

The precursors are the universes way of creating and the flood are it's way of eating.

[scarlet hinge]

sorry, i had to do something IRL for a sec but yeah you got it

Zeta Halo is the oldest Halo ring

and during the war with the Flood, was the site of a gravemind

[versed helm]

That is why the Forerunners killed the precursors.

Because of an existential crisis.

[scarlet hinge]

Here's a Halopedia article on it, though I wouldn't read much past the point at which the Array gets fired to spare yourself potential Infinite spoilers

https://www.halopedia.org/Installation_07

[versed helm]

Destiny be like lol.

Ancient Humans be like:- I'mma end this Empire's whole career.

[scarlet hinge]

As for Cortana, a lot of what she was doing between games gets addressed in Infinite so I won't say too much there, but they did do somewhat of a retcon on how powerful she is in Shadows of Reach

[versed helm]

@scarlet hinge Have you watched Charity Falls?

Sorry for ping

I forgot

The rules

[scarlet hinge]

in that book, they mention that Guardians can't patrol most star systems, so if you don't do anything big like activate a nuclear weapon it's fine

[scarlet hinge]

oh i'm not bothered nah lol

nah i haven't seen that

[versed helm]

Charity Falls is that fanmade Halo series right?

[nimble laurel]

@scarlet hinge now I need to read that book

[scarlet hinge]

I'd recommend it

Divine Wind is a great follow-on too, bridging together that alongside the Ferrets books and capping off Halo Wars 2

[nimble laurel]

Just bought both for the kindle since its quicker than waiting on delivery lol

Will still but the hard copies though for the collection

[scarlet hinge]

there was also a short story distributed withsome Shadows of Reach physical copies thta has since been released freely online by 343, which you might also want to consider once you finish SoR

https://www.halopedia.org/Sacrifice

[limber dagger]

you mean the flood or the precursors in general?

[nimble laurel]

@scarlet hinge will have a look been thinking of scanning some of the covers so can frame some since some of the artwork is great

[half warren]

well the precursors to be exact it’s there philosophy that birthed the flood in the first place

there concept of “the living universe”

[scarlet hinge]

if you check the halopedia articles for the books, we have the full max resolution logo-less artwork for each book available which might help

[half warren]

honestly as brutal as the forerunners are they had every right to eradicate the precursors

[nimble laurel]

Didn't think of that thanks mate @scarlet hinge

[scarlet hinge]

👌

[versed helm]

YAS

[limber dagger]

I mean, true, but that seems to be a corruption of their overall philosophy. They just believe that peace and happiness were just as important as suffering and war when it came to the overall state of the universe.

[versed helm]

Precursors and the Flood.

[nimble laurel]

@half warren not really the foterunners were just spoiled children lashing out and realised the mistake they made when it was to late

[versed helm]

That's actually real.

The universe starts from your head.

[limber dagger]

All added to the overall experience of the universe and were neither a net positive or net negative.

They are just consequences of the universe experiencing itself basically. I have a feeling that if the rest of the Precursors found out what was happening in the Milky Way concerning the Flood, they would see it as a violation of the Mantle.

[versed helm]

Why are there no precursors outside the Milky Way?

Hmmm

[limber dagger]

There almost certainly are.

[versed helm]

Unless it's all a simulation...

...and the meddlers are the real humans.

[nimble laurel]

@versed helm they could be but living in complete isolation after the forerunner event

[scarlet hinge]

as of Point of Light there are some baby ones in one of the Milky Way's satellite galaxies

[versed helm]

Worldbuilding for Halo Andromeda.

[versed helm]

NOICE

[limber dagger]

The Precursors are extragalactic in origin. They are not from the Milky Way at all. They have been around for billions of years, and have apparently seeded many different galaxies with life. Unless their entire species concentrated to the Milky Way for some reason, there has to be more of them out there.

Its honestly arguable that the Precursors created the Universe itself, but that is another debate lol.

[nimble laurel]

@limber dagger don't do it my mind will explode lol

[limber dagger]

lmao it is actually a simple argument based on one line from the Forerunner trilogy, but still just speculation.

[nimble laurel]

True but with every simple argument it's becomes a monster

[versed helm]

Imagine if the Primordial told the Forerunners that the Precursors are The Flood.

And that's why they committed suicide.

[limber dagger]

Regardless of whether or not they MADE the universe, we know for a fact that they are extragalactic in origin, and have been around for billions of years. So it stands to reason there are more of them.

[limber dagger]

Imagine...

[nimble laurel]

@limber dagger and who's to say our humanity is the only humanity that they seeded. Could be others outside of our galaxy

[scarlet hinge]

now you're thinking like Battlestar Galactica

[limber dagger]

They could have literally just seeded us and the forerunners in thousands of different galaxies as some grand experiment to see what would happen in each instance.

[scarlet hinge]

funnily enough, such concepts are a central focus of the IRIS ARG that was done for Halo 3

[nimble laurel]

@scarlet hinge i like galactica lol

[scarlet hinge]

hell yeah

[versed helm]

Wait precursors birthed Humans?

Wat

[scarlet hinge]

it's indicated they created all life

[bronze schooner]

Indicated though

[versed helm]

So humans were created by the flood?

[scarlet hinge]

the flood came after humans

a long time after

[versed helm]

The flood are smarter than humans so evolution?

[scarlet hinge]

the precursors evolved themselves into the flood

[bronze schooner]

Well the flood is malfunctioned Precursor dust

When they tried putting themselves back

[versed helm]

Lemme do the math.

[nimble laurel]

I think We're gonna break @versed helm at sum time

[bronze schooner]

So the flood is PART precursor

Corrupted

[versed helm]

Cosmic math

[bronze schooner]

Parts

[versed helm]

This is like an IQ test.

[bronze schooner]

Mine is -2

[limber dagger]

Yes, the precursors created both humanity and the forerunners. it stands to reason that they created all life in this galaxy, but all we know for sure is that they created humans and the forerunners.

a lot isnt actually known

[bronze schooner]

Does that mean God is a precursor?

[limber dagger]

probably lol

[bronze schooner]

Cool I guess

[limber dagger]

technology that advanced can easily fit the description of "divine" so they basically are Gods in every sense of the word.

[versed helm]

Mine is 103.

[versed helm]

In Halo yeah though Angels makes more sense.

Like Angels of the living universe.

The first conscious species.

And the most advanced.

Everything non-living is God.

In the real universe.

[nimble laurel]

@limber dagger it's like how they say in other media take someone from now with our technology and put them back 200+ yrs say then they would be classed kinda the same

It's all about the technology that's me just using a simple example

[versed helm]

Yo I found the best thing ever.

In Halo Infinite campaign you can find a grunt and an elite smooching.

[limber dagger]

More like taking us now and showing us to Neanderthals, but yeah I get what you mean. One of the descriptions of the Precursor AI that was discovered in the Capital was "A intelligence as far advanced from the Forerunners as a Keyship is to a wooden raft." Might have gotten that quote slightly wrong, but still. Its incomprehensible how advanced the precursors were.

[nimble laurel]

@versed helm so their gonna make a grelite lol

[versed helm]

XD

[nimble laurel]

There's a lot of things halo could do in either TV or animated form that could expand on what we already know like legends was good and surprised we havent had more like that

[versed helm]

Like the TV show...

(You don't say)

[limber dagger]

We will now that Halo is gaining popularity again. From like 2010 to now, Halo honestly just wasn't a mainstream type of deal. It has always had a dedicated fan base, but not nearly as much as CoD or other things like that.

[versed helm]

Halo 3 should be remaked.

That'll solve world hunger.

[limber dagger]

They would be cool, but probably isnt gonna happen for a while. They have enough on their plate right now lol.

[nimble laurel]

True but let's just hope that if it does come to that point anything animated comes from Japan because they usually do things right @limber dagger

[limber dagger]

Any shows or animated content are just licensed from 343 and Microsoft. Gamewise, 343 will be making anything that comes out, but anything else will be done by different companies

[versed helm]

I think Halo 4 needs a remake the most.

[bronze schooner]

Halo 4 is more than fine

[limber dagger]

Halo 4 MP was horrible but Halo 4's story and campaign were honestly fine.

Doesnt need a remake in the next 10 years tbh.

[versed helm]

But they killed off the most important character in the universe.

[bronze schooner]

Halo 3 and ODST need anniversary graphics stuff

[nimble laurel]

Halo 4 was not that bad it was just mp that ruined it

[limber dagger]

Yeah Halo 4's story and campaign were very fun. It just tried to be HaloCOD with the MP and it just didnt work.

[versed helm]

Halo 5 should've been about The Didact against humanity or Hunt the Truth

[nimble laurel]

Odst more I think because of the atmosphere of that game plus it being totally different

[limber dagger]

Although, for whatever reason, Halo 4 was and has been the easiest Halo to no scope people, so I actually did have a lot of fun with the H4 MP

but i never actually took it seriously

[bronze schooner]

Also we already see some of New Mombasa in Infinite multiplayer

So we know what it can be like

[nimble laurel]

@limber dagger not just that didn't halo 4 run at 60fps or tried to even on 360

[versed helm]

Does ONI hire elites?

(now)

[bronze schooner]

Probably not

[limber dagger]

i cant remember. I just remember I would get 30 kills a game with the Beam Rifle on demand

ONI does absolutely work with elites...pays them as well

[bronze schooner]

Elites and ONI aren’t on the best terms because they sent a couple people to assassinate high ranking elites

[limber dagger]

ONI RF Trevallyan.

[bronze schooner]

Huh

[limber dagger]

Elites and humans working and living together.

[nimble laurel]

@versed helm oni gave grey team a prowler and they are working side by side with elites halo envoy novel

[limber dagger]

They decided that the Onyx dyson sphere would be neutral territory for both elites and humans. they set up a city called paxopolis. human and elites both perform research on the forerunner artifacts there. human and sanghelli children even attend school together.

there are some grunts and jackals as well. very strange place.

[nimble laurel]

Grunts mostly do the manual labour type jobs like farming and stuff and are paid in methane I think

[versed helm]

Where is Onyx?

[limber dagger]

on sanghelios yes. at the research station, they are all more or less equal. grunts are scientists, school teachers...pretty much anything

[limber dagger]

you need to read Ghosts of Onyx, but basically it is a planet that held a very, very large secret.

[nimble laurel]

@limber dagger I knew grunts were treated better after the war but couldn't mind where

[versed helm]

The Primordial? Don't spoil until I guess.

[limber dagger]

lol no

[bronze schooner]

Imagine the racism between their kids

[limber dagger]

they are at the research station.

[versed helm]

The domain

[limber dagger]

oh there definitely is lol. its explicitly talked about in the book.

[limber dagger]

no

hint

physically very large

[versed helm]

The Ark

[limber dagger]

no

on the right path tho

kind of

[versed helm]

Dyson sphere, the largest forerunner construct ever.

[limber dagger]

there you go

good ole halopedia coming in clutch i see

but yes, a dyson sphere the size of Earth's orbit around the sun.

180 some odd million miles in diameter.

pretty much dwarfs everything else

[versed helm]

So Onyx was a planet and it held a teleporter to the Dyson Sphere.

[limber dagger]

the dyson sphere was held in a compressed slipspace bubble so that it would be causally disconnected from the universe as a whole

[versed helm]

Wow

[limber dagger]

it was condensed into a slip space bubble roughly 9 inches in diameter

one to hide it, and two to make it completely immune to any damage, including the Halo array. by completely disconnecting it from the universe.

[versed helm]

So why not just make it bigger?

[limber dagger]

it has a surface area of 500 million earths. It could easily house probably every sentient being in the galaxy with room to spare.

[versed helm]

Freaking Forerunners...

Being Forerunners.

[limber dagger]

yeah they went a little overboard with that one, pretty sure it was meant to be the final hiding place for the entire forerunner species as well as any other species that could be gathered in time.

[versed helm]

So it was constructed after the outbreak?

XD

[limber dagger]

yes, it is basically just a shield world that is 1000x the size of any other shield world.

[versed helm]

Why not build A.I instead!?!

[limber dagger]

really kind of silly tbh, but still very cool and interesting

[versed helm]

Like WTF

[limber dagger]

what do you mean??

[nimble laurel]

Even the doctor would say its bigger on the inside

[versed helm]

The Forerunners could've built star roads with all those resources.

By accessing the domain or something lmao

[limber dagger]

lol star roads are a whole other story.

star roads arent made of a "material"

they are made from space itself. its literally space and time converted into a tangible, physical form.

its weird

ive spent entirely too much time reading random articles on halopedia

[versed helm]

So it's when Gravemind use imagination?

[limber dagger]

maybe??????? idk man its all very much philosophical as much as it is scientific.

its getting beyond the realm of explanation lol

it is for all intents and purposes magic or divinity lol

[versed helm]

We need Buddha now.

[nimble laurel]

If that was what the forerunners could do then imagine what they could have done if things went along normally no flood no war

[versed helm]

Moral:- Don't get greedy.

[limber dagger]

They were getting to the point of stagnation overall. The Forerunners have been advanced for 10 million years.

[versed helm]

How long did the Forerunner-Flood war last?

[limber dagger]

they were able to travel to the Large Megallanic Cloud 10 million years ago lol

Forerunner Floor war was like 300 years total.

[versed helm]

Oh I thought it was 100,000 years.

[limber dagger]

but the flood was present in the galaxy for like 10,000 years before that

[versed helm]

Yeah

So 10,300 years.

[limber dagger]

sure, the forerunners only actually combatted the flood for 300 years.

[versed helm]

The Didact lived for 102,800 years?

[limber dagger]

Basically, the flood came to being in human territory, infected enough humans to reach a high intelligence, then receded from the galaxy for 10,000 years to trick the forerunners that the humans found a cure.

[versed helm]

So there was no cure?

[limber dagger]

The Flood's entire plan, the entire time, was to destroy the forerunners. Humans were just a means to an end, and were not actually the main target of the flood.

[versed helm]

I watched that there was.

[versed helm]

Like one fake trap and one real cure.

[limber dagger]

no, there was no cure. The flood tricked the forerunners into believing that, when in reality the Flood withdrew itself in order to plan.

[versed helm]

So this happened before human invasion?

"Iam a monument to all your sins."

This references Precursor genocide.

[limber dagger]

Yes, the Flood broke out in human territory and spread to the outer reached of forerunner territory. As humanity fled the parasite, they came across several forerunner worlds that were infected with the flood. knowing there was no hope for those planets, they sterilized the planets. The forerunners did not know why the humans were doing this, and thought that humans were just being war like and expansionist.

[versed helm]

The Flood is an image of the Forerunners sins.

[limber dagger]

So the forerunners went to war with humanity, defeated them, and thats when the flood struck their real target some time later.

[versed helm]

Why not hold a video conference?

[limber dagger]

that is the main plot hole of the entire story lol

like bro

could have solved this over dinner...

[versed helm]

LMAO

[limber dagger]

https://www.halopedia.org/Human-Forerunner_wars a long read, but it explains it all.

[versed helm]

Or just visit The Didact?

[limber dagger]

So flood first, flood attacks humans, humans run and exterminate life on all planets they find infected along the way. forerunners get butthurt, and fight the humans and beat them. then flood comes back and attacks forerunners in their weakened state.

[versed helm]

So the Forerunners were not at their peak?

[limber dagger]

might have that part wrong.

cuz forerunners fought the flood like 10k years after they beat humans

here

While humanity's defeat affirmed Forerunner dominance over the entire galaxy, the destruction of a major military power combined with the subsequent political schism within the highest levels of Forerunner society set the stage for the return of the Flood and the disastrous Forerunner-Flood war.

[versed helm]

"Iam lonely, Iam Mr. lonely..."

[nimble laurel]

forerunners and humans were kinda just as advanced in some aspects so the war took its toll on the forerunners

[versed helm]

"...I have nobody..."

"...FOR A MILE!"

[versed helm]

So why did the Humans fight?

Instead of scream Flood are coming?

[limber dagger]

basically yes. Humans were advanced, but really it was the San Shyuum who were advanced. Once the two teamed up, humanity rapidly advanced in tech to eventually meet or be just beneath forerunner advancement

[versed helm]

Like just put down your weapons.

XD

[limber dagger]

apparently humans tried to warn the forerunners, but the forerunners ignored them. They saw humans actions as a violation of the mantle and refused to communicate wity them.

similar to "no negations with terrorists" of today

[versed helm]

-_-

[nimble laurel]

They were trying to starve off the infection on planets that were exposed so less bodies not as smart flood

[limber dagger]

yes, also, once the flood takes hold, it is impossible to rid the planet of it unless you completely sterilize the entire world.

[versed helm]

Just destroy the planets.

[limber dagger]

"one spore kills a species"

[versed helm]

Like Star Wars

Star Wars also has a Flood-like infection.

Good comic.

[nimble laurel]

Like now if a flood spore is found swords of sanghelious and humans will nuke and glass a planet

Spelled it wrong I think

[versed helm]

Yes

How far can Flood spores travel?

[limber dagger]

yes, there is no other choice. the entire planet has to glasses because the risk of it spreading is too great.

[limber dagger]

they can travel anywhere basically, but they need to be carried. They dont have minds of their own. its like pollen from a plant.

it gets picked up, transported somewhere else, then it attacks basically.

[versed helm]

Carried by what?

Imagine Flood Spore gun.

[limber dagger]

anything. a space ship, on someone's clothes...doesnt matter.

the one thing it can do is selectively choose when to infect.

[versed helm]

Oh God please no...

[nimble laurel]

It's just like an itty bitty facehugger impregnates and when wants out comes out

[wooden bramble]

Oni would like to know your location (and politely ask you to forget about the Mona lisa)

[limber dagger]

its literally like a particle of pollen from a plant lol

[nimble laurel]

@limber dagger exactly

[versed helm]

Why?

What about Mona Lisa?

[nimble laurel]

Bad memories

[wooden bramble]

Weaponized flood do be an onion thing tado

[versed helm]

A lot of bad memories

How do you all know this stuff? The books?

yus

I only have the first 3..

[versed helm]

Books and Movies.

[nimble laurel]

Books an terminals ingame

[wooden bramble]

Also some older shorts from legends and the waypoint

[versed helm]

And Graphic Novels.

[limber dagger]

There are over 30 halo novels lol

[versed helm]

And Halopedia.

Is there a comprehensive list somewhere for someone who wants to get 'caught up'

[limber dagger]

and yeah countless other stuff. comics, graphic novels, mini movies and shows.

[versed helm]

been a halo fan 20 years but haven't dug in deep.

[limber dagger]

oh man...i mean you can watch a full halo timeline on youtube

[versed helm]

i remember somebody had put in a whole google sheet here

[limber dagger]

but in order to get caught up, you have to dig in deep. the halo expanded universe is massive

[versed helm]

I did watch the timeline

But that was not enough lol

[limber dagger]

there are some more detailed timelines. like hour long videos. realistically you just need to break the timeline into chunks and then take it on from there.

you could also buy Halo: Mythos which explains almost everything important from a high level.

From there, anything that specifically interests you, you can then research just that topic further.

[versed helm]

Cool, thanks!

[limber dagger]

np, prepare to drink from a firehose for the next 3 years lol

there is a LOT

[versed helm]

lol

Halo is a lifestyle xD

[limber dagger]

i started getting into the halo lore in 2015 and there is still plenty i have not seen or read.

[nimble laurel]

halo legends episode origins 1+2 would give kinda an idea of flood forerunner war

[limber dagger]

but in all seriousnes, regardless of the fact that it is based on a video game, the whole halo story is an awesome science fiction series. i feel like some people jsut overlook it because it is based on a video game.

if you like sci fi, then its a great saga.

[versed helm]

It's more than a game

[nimble laurel]

I love the games but the lore is just as important because its so expansive

[limber dagger]

yeah, the first time i read the fall of reach and found out that the spartan 2s were actually all kidnapped as children and indoctrinated to become supersoliders, i was hooked lol

didnt know it went that deep

[nimble laurel]

Its like aliens and predator the movies are good but the books and comics add so much more to the story well some movies lol

[limber dagger]

yep. its a really well thought out, expanded space opera tbh. just as good as star wars imo

[bronze schooner]

Then there was those 2 pages about the 4 guys in a Warthog perused by Ghosts

Just regular Marines

[limber dagger]

YOU WANNA DIE IN THE DIRT MARINE?!?!?!

[versed helm]

I'm going to re-read The Fall of Reach, the Flood and First Strike - haven't read them since they came out

[bronze schooner]

The Flood and First Strike are good

[limber dagger]

good idea, but there have been several retcons since then, so if youve played the games, youll notice some things arent quite right

[bronze schooner]

Kinda formally introduced Helljumpers

[limber dagger]

TFoR is an awesome book, but it gets quite a few very crucial details wrong.

[nimble laurel]

Plus you also have some great fanfiction writers that follow the lore and have excellent stories to tell even if their not canon

[limber dagger]

i havent really read any of the fanfiction tbh. i pretty much just stick to canon only. would be interesting tho

[versed helm]

Excuse my ignorance, what is a 'retcon'?

[nimble laurel]

Then you have people like echartsladder who do videos and stuff on YouTube

Just copied and pasted this for quickness @versed helm (in a film, television series, or other fictional work) a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency.

[limber dagger]

it just means that certain details are officially changed sometimes.

some things in the fall of reach were officially declared non canon and different things/ times/ instances were put in their place.

they are pretty big details, but they dont derail the entire story really.

[nimble laurel]

It's just annoying when they do retcon things lol

[limber dagger]

Even stuff from the games has been retconned/ new explanations have been given

[versed helm]

They basically just post edit the story

[limber dagger]

yeah it is, but it is necessary sometimes.

yes, it is just changing events later on

[versed helm]

It would be annoying if they went back and changed the lyrics to Bohemian Rhapsody..

lol

[limber dagger]

lol well ill give you one example that really doesnt spoil anything.

youve played Halo CE i take it? do you remember the story well?

[versed helm]

I've played the campaign like 100s of hours haha

[limber dagger]

so you remember what year Halo CE took place in?

2552?

[versed helm]

Yes

[limber dagger]

yeah the fall of Reach says it takes place in 2542 for some reason

even though it very clearly doesnt

[versed helm]

Ah okay

[bronze schooner]

Huh

[scarlet hinge]

no it doesn't

[limber dagger]

yes it does

[scarlet hinge]

where are you getting this from?

[limber dagger]

the book

[scarlet hinge]

ah

that was a misprint

it was corrected in later print runs

[bronze schooner]

^

[limber dagger]

for some reason the audiobook was never corrected

[scarlet hinge]

they'd have to go re-record it i guess

[bronze schooner]

I read one of the newer versions and never saw 2542

[nimble laurel]

It's like when they said John was the last spartan but Kelly was also on the ship in cryo due to being in critical condition after being injured during the pillars escape I think

[limber dagger]

also, Halo Reach and TFoR dont necessarily disagree with each other, but they also dont make a whole lot of sense together as well.

[scarlet hinge]

it's like how Shadows of Reach gives an owl dropship a 370mm gun

it was a mistake, as Denning had originally written 70mm

then meant to change it to M370

and it got stuck halfway between

[versed helm]

The copy I have was printed in 2010/2012. I had a much older copy when I was a kid. It seems to say 2552, must have been fixed.

[bronze schooner]

That was Linda

[scarlet hinge]

it was yeah

[bronze schooner]

Also there were others on planet

And Red Team MIA

[scarlet hinge]

only the first edition copies of Reach have that error

[bronze schooner]

Omega Team is also still alive

[limber dagger]

i have never read any of the books in print. ive only listened to the audiobooks of all of them.

[nimble laurel]

@bronze schooner my bad lol knew it was one of the girls

[limber dagger]

but yeah for some reason the audiobook was never corrected with the right date

[bronze schooner]

Kelly and Fred were on Reach

[scarlet hinge]

they never do - you'd have to go back and get it re-recorded which costs a lot more

[limber dagger]

yeah makes sense. just distracting sometimes when the errors come up lol

[brittle sand]

hey i found 3 red banished butons that can be interacted with on outpost tremonius anyone know about that?

[bronze schooner]

In what game

[limber dagger]

The biggest issue with TFoR is the fact that it really does not mesh at all with Halo: Reach, the game.

[bronze schooner]

HW2 or Infinite

[scarlet hinge]

the issue there is more with the game, than the book

the book predates the release of CE

[bronze schooner]

Wait, really?

[scarlet hinge]

yeah

[limber dagger]

They are both considered canon, and there are some pretty serious differences between the two.

[scarlet hinge]

it came out a couple weeks before

[limber dagger]

Yeah TFoR came out in 1999 lol

[brittle sand]

halo infinite

[limber dagger]

or maybe 2000

[scarlet hinge]

october 2001

[limber dagger]

got it

[scarlet hinge]

they work together for the most part

[limber dagger]

ehhh idk man

[scarlet hinge]

thanks to the Data Drops and Fleet Battles

[bronze schooner]

#485883236430512168 or #483759756566069258

Talk about it there

[scarlet hinge]

which stitch them together, for the most part

[brittle sand]

ok

[scarlet hinge]

it's still not great, but they do work

[limber dagger]

Reach was being invaded and destroyed for over a month. Major population centers glassed. Full covenant ground invasions happening. In the book, John has no idea any of that is happening. No one does really. The book basically says it all happens in one day.

[scarlet hinge]

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

the info was being purposefully kept from John

and the crew of the Autumn

this is covered in the Fall of Reach Adjunct section, from the 2010 reissue

[limber dagger]

lol i have heard the explanations of how they are supposed to work together. still basically makes no sense.

[bronze schooner]

They didn’t even meet brutes until the Uneven Elephant

[nimble laurel]

Because John wouldn't abandon his family

[scarlet hinge]

makes no sense
:yeah:

it works

about as well as it can do

but it's never gonna be amazing

[versed helm]

What is the best?

[bronze schooner]

There’s more about the actual fall of reach in First Strike

[versed helm]

Iam working on an Anime Universe ofc.

[limber dagger]

i guess lol. doesnt really stand to reason that while the planet is literally being invaded and glassed with millions dying, a couple of hundred miles away, no one has a single idea what is happening. no reason to keep it from anyone.

I know ONI is very powerful, but that seems like too large a secret to hide.

[scarlet hinge]

they're keeping it from John and the crew of the Autumn specifically to not distract them from RED FLAG

[limber dagger]

lol that didnt work out very well after the planet was full razed on august 30th. its just silly to me.

[scarlet hinge]

it is silly

like i said, it works

it doesn't work amazingly

[limber dagger]

idk i know it "works", but i will never like it lol.

[versed helm]

Pls name

[scarlet hinge]

but short of outright calling either source noncanon there's not much better they can really do

[limber dagger]

I think a reprint of the book to change some dates around would honestly be better than just saying "oh yeah oni locked down communications and somehow hid the deaths of millions of people on a core world."

[scarlet hinge]

well they can lock down communications on a warship

[limber dagger]

If they just shifted some dates in the book back a few months, it would actually plausibly work and not need some ridiculous explanation like that lol

[scarlet hinge]

real-world warships do that anyway

[versed helm]

Lol

[limber dagger]

yeah, but you cant lock down a planet lol. you cant make millions of people desperately fleeing from genocidal aliens keep quiet about it.

[scarlet hinge]

they didnt need to lock down the planet

they only prevented the crew of one ship learning about it

so you order the comms officer to turn off all outbound connection requests

and make all shipbound communications require captain's authorisation

[limber dagger]

i suppose. While also redirecting expensive miltary assets that could be used to actually defend the planet so John could run thru an obstacle course.

[scarlet hinge]

it's one cruiser

it's not gonna make much of a difference to Reach

its mission could mean the end of the war

[versed helm]

WHAT

[scarlet hinge]

it was being outfitted to deploy troops onto the Covenant home world (they weren't sure about High Charity at the time)

[versed helm]

Yes.

[scarlet hinge]

have the Spartans capture a Prophet, and force the Covenant to the negotiating table

[limber dagger]

I understand it is just one cruiser, but other stuff in the book pretty clearly shows that no one (actually displayed in the book at least) knows about it lol. Like the satellite outpost that all of a sudden goes into a panic and initiates the cole protocol on august 30th because a large covenant force just entered the system. apparently they didnt know the planet was being invaded for a month already either lol

[versed helm]

Noice.

[scarlet hinge]

that one is dumb, i won't try argue that one

and to my knowledge, has never been addressed either

the best you can really say is, absence of evidence

[limber dagger]

yeah that specific thing is what really makes me hate the explanation of a comm blackout. One ship, sure...an entire continent? no.

[scarlet hinge]

unless they explicitly say RSO Fermion was unaware of Reach being invaded, there's nothing ruling out that they were aware

i am aware this is dumb

i'm not in any way trying to say this is good writing

[versed helm]

How did Regret manage to become a Hierarch?

[scarlet hinge]

he helped out Truth in his blackmailing scheme

[versed helm]

Oh right lineage.

[scarlet hinge]

no

Prophets aren't kings

they don't inherit titles

they're elected

[versed helm]

But they are Brothers.

[scarlet hinge]

nope

[versed helm]

Yes?

[scarlet hinge]

they're not related by blood

[versed helm]

I remember that they're siblings.

[limber dagger]

no i get it. all they need to do is rerelease TFoR to push the timeline lf John getting his armor and cortana back a few months and 90% of it is solved. also, push back the date of the outpost station self destructing a few months to match up with the initial invasion of reach

[scarlet hinge]

this has never been stated in any source

[scarlet hinge]

they won't do this, as this would be an active retcon

[versed helm]

Mercy is the oldest, Truth middle and Regret the youngest.

[scarlet hinge]

none of the prophets are siblings

[versed helm]

Well I remember it. O_O

[limber dagger]

they dont need to change events, just dates really.

[scarlet hinge]

Mercy was just an old guy who happened to be there for the Mendicant Bias revelation, so they brought him on board to keep him quiet

[nimble laurel]

Like the other three lie to keep their power because if truth came out about humans then it would have split the covenant sooner rather than later

[scarlet hinge]

the Prophet of Truth's name is Ord Casto, Mercy's name is Hod Rumnt and Regret's name is Lod Mron

the story of their ascension to power is covered in detail in Contact Harvest

[limber dagger]

whoops

bad word

[nimble laurel]

@limber dagger lol

[limber dagger]

And yes, Truth, Mercy, and Regret. Their ascension to hierarch is very interesting. their names are also very, very ironic lol

[versed helm]

My favorite mission in Halo's campaign is High Charity.

[bronze schooner]

Lod Mron? More like Lord Moron

[versed helm]

I like the Easter egg that Mendicant Bias is fighting the flood.

[scarlet hinge]

lol

[versed helm]

Yep.

[limber dagger]

Truth's entire reign is based on a lie. Mercy was shown none at the end of his life, and Regret's attack on Earth was very regrettable .

so regrets name isnt actually ironic, more on the nose. you get the point tho lol

[versed helm]

I need to read the battle of earth sometime.

[bronze schooner]

Ironic

[scarlet hinge]

you can't forget about the Prophet of Restraint https://www.halopedia.org/High_Prophet_of_Restraint

[versed helm]

One happened during Halo 2 and one during ODST.

[scarlet hinge]

same battle

[bronze schooner]

What about the orange-robed one that was on 04

Forgot what he was

[long shore]

heres my headcannon on reach. the covenant invasion was covert and in out of the way locations to prep for the real invasion coming. the real invasion arrived after jorge alahu akbared the covenant supercarrier. everything was kept secret up till then, because the force was soooo big it couldnt be kept secret. thats when the pillar of autumn scrubbed its find the prophets mission and uturned for reach. the return journey to reach took a while. meanwhile, the rest of reach the game occurs, andbillions die. autumn dispatches john and red team, returns to pick up cortana, andleaves and gets john and linda on its way out the system, asumming red team died on re-entry.

[versed helm]

Halo 3: ODST, more like Halo 2: ODST.

[long shore]

the dates are fudged because everything got mega nuked by covies

[scarlet hinge]

you mean the Minor Prophet of Stewardship?

[bronze schooner]

I think so

[versed helm]

Noice.

[scarlet hinge]

https://www.halopedia.org/Prophet_of_Stewardship

[bronze schooner]

Yeah that’s him

I recognize the ship name

From Halo The Flood

[scarlet hinge]

yeah

he's a bit of a meme

[nimble laurel]

Plus if you take into account that the hunters worms were eating forerunner relics which should have been classed as sacrilegious and destroyed but were invited into the covenant compared to humans who were the chosen to uphold the mantle if that ever came out the prophets would lose everything

[versed helm]

Who loves Ripa Moramee?

Biggest legend in Halo:- The First Arbiter

[scarlet hinge]

he was far from the first arbiter

[versed helm]

Different text

[scarlet hinge]

the Arbiter is a tradition that dates back thousands of years

[versed helm]

I meant THAT Arbiter.

[scarlet hinge]

ah

[versed helm]

Who was killed by The Prophets.

[scarlet hinge]

oh Fal 'Chavamee

he wasn't the first arbiter either

[versed helm]

Ik

He a chad.

Gigachad.

Wow his armor is fire.

Who was The Arbiter after Ripa Moramee?

[nimble laurel]

@versed helm thel vadam

[bronze schooner]

Why does everyone pronounce Vadam as Vadamee

Locke and Heretic Leader did

Sesa Refumee or something

[versed helm]

It's his Prophet name.

Like it was a lineage title given by the Prophets.

To elites.

That's it.

[bronze schooner]

Either way, he doesn’t stand a chance against Gig’a Chadamee

[versed helm]

...who doesn't stand a chance against Xy'tan Jar Wattinee.

[bronze schooner]

He got a fleet of CAS Assault Carriers

[versed helm]

Have you read the story of R'tas Vadum's best friend?

[bronze schooner]

Don’t think so

[versed helm]

Well... let's just say it's how he got the name "half-jaw".

[bronze schooner]

Cut his mandibles off?

Bad friend.

[versed helm]

Hahahahahah

HAHAhahahahahaha

@scarlet hinge Yo what did Kurt do? (Sacrifice)

[unique rune]

The “ee” suffix was used by Sangheili under the Covenant as an indicator of military service.

Hm. So I guess the new UNSC frigate type is the Mulsanne-class.

[scarlet hinge]

Kurt has nothing to do with the Sacrifice short story

[dim plover]

@thorny osprey what did you do???

[thorny osprey]

What needed to be done

[lament cypress]

I know the prophet is dead and all but is the covenant still low key running?

Also where was Arbiter in all of this

[blissful dune]

hi

[dense pulsar]

Why are some Elites with the Banished?

[burnt pulsar]

Some agree with what the banished are for and some are hired by the banished

The banished aren’t just brutes they have many species in their side

[scarlet hinge]

No, the empire collapsed during the civil war started in Halo 2

numerous warlords have since risen up and proclaimed themselves as the true successor to the Covenant - such as Jul 'Mdama (the forces you fight in H4/5)

[lament cypress]

I see, so i suppose the majority elites are spread between the Swords of Seingheili and the Banished

[scarlet hinge]

The Banished were founded by Atriox after he was ordered to be executed by the Prophets, and instead rebelled. As such, he doesn't buy into the inter-species politics of the galaxy, and welcomes all under his banner

As such, the Banished will employ anyone - even humans

however, this can be decided on the whims of a given clan chief. Atriox had humans in his forces on the Ark, whereas Escharum has a personal disaste for humanity and refuses to have them under his service

as long as a given clan chief pays his tithe, Atriox doesn't much care what goes on

the Elites in Halo Wars 2 are all mercenaries of Let 'Volir's clan, who were hired by the Banished for use of their assault carrier

a similar situation presents itself with the lower-ranking elites in Infinite, but there are a few older Sangheili blademasters and former-Silent Shadow assassins who genuinely believe in Atriox's cause

[scarlet hinge]

not particularly - Covenant space was huge, and has fractured into dozens of polities

we only see a handful because they're closer to the bit of space where humans reside

consider how many countries exist on Earth today - that's just one planet and you can't divide humans up that evenly. The same issue is only compounded when you have trillions of individuals across thousands of worlds

[lament cypress]

ohh makes sense

[scarlet hinge]

yep!

For example, much of Sangheili society is feudal in nature

think Game of Thrones - noble houses, family lineages and marriages for alliance

there might be hundreds of keeps on a given planet, allied into states

in many cases, you'd be hard-pressed to even say a full planet is aligned with one particular faction

[proud nimbus]

so just finished infinite...
what next? dlc?

[dense pulsar]

When you put it like that, it sound better for them to be at war with themselves than with humanity

[uneven thorn]

is there gonna be campaign dlc later on for infinite? that can't be it for the next 10 years right?

[bronze schooner]

Hired by the Banished, known as Elite Mercenaries. Since the Covenant is gone and they don’t want to have a peaceful life, they join the faction still fighting

Is a summary

[ebon reef]

Halo 5 ended at Sanghelios, where Spartan Locke and Chief meets Halsey, and Arbiter and Commander Palmer was also there, also there was AI's going rogue towards Cortana's side, causing chaos? I'm not able to understand beginning of Infinite? Like in start Chief was fighting Atriox in Infinity? How did he get from Halo 5 ending to there?

[cosmic zinc]

2 year time gap

Some books cover it. Like the shadows of reach

blue team goes back to reach and recovers stuff from halseys underground sword base and such have run ins with the banished and shortly after that is the infinity attack

thats all i recall off the top of my head

[onyx vortex]

thanks for the game, the experience
but im disappointed with 343 and bungie

really disappointed

[cosmic zinc]

bungie hasnt been part of halo since reach

[ebon reef]

What about Cortana? She left Genesis, was it Genesis or the Forruner Domain something that span whole galaxy? With a mission to I didn't understand what was on her mind except using guardians to out systems in line.

[onyx vortex]

unnecessary time skip

[cosmic zinc]

its covered Quat

[onyx vortex]

we wanted to know what happened to cortnaa and atriox, and infinity

but they make a time skip and jump us to a fight in halo zeta

[cosmic zinc]

you do. play the game

[onyx vortex]

the change of designs were also unnecessary, except by the elites design

halo 4 and 5 had a waay better design and epic elements

almost 7 years to release a game like this... idk man, i expected more but whatever XD

[ebon reef]

I really liked thhe cutscenes of Halo 4 and 5.

[onyx vortex]

and now i hear we gonna have to wait almost 10 years for a next game

bruh 343 is having money issues?

[cosmic zinc]

additional campaigns are theorized as dlc

[ebon reef]

Something is up with 343 I think

[onyx vortex]

definitely something happened to 343

[ebon reef]

But they are doing way better than many other companies

[onyx vortex]

like something happened to rockstars

[ebon reef]

Take Rockstar for example.

Omg!

[onyx vortex]

rockstars is gone

dead company

rockstars went bankrupt, i hope 343 isnt having the same issue

[ebon reef]

There is still tiny bit of room for them to recover I think, but they are well on route to dying.

Rockstar

[onyx vortex]

atriox is definitely in the ark, alive

and this take us to halo wars 3

we need this game asap

[dense pulsar]

Did Master Chief ever get his driver's license or does he just drive warthogs without one?

[onyx vortex]

dude

he drive everything

[real cypress]

now hold on im sort of agreeing with @dense pulsar

[versed helm]

i truly do not understand how the banished was able to take down the infinity, with the fleet that goes with the infinity, and the amount of spartans onboard the infinity, i truly do not understand

especially after the SoF made the banished retreat, and WON, with only 3 S-IIs, a way weaker ship, and literally no fleet, compared to the flagship that is the infinity, and all of the fleet that follows infinity

[ornate atlas]

Who brought The Weapon to Zeta halo? I thought the Infinity was attacked the second it exited slipspace so chief was stuck onboard the entire time, with no opportunity to get to halo and deploy the weapon? Any ideas?

[sour dirge]

is Zeta Halo same ring that Anders was on at the end of Halo Wars 2?

[ornate atlas]

Apparently not, zeta halo is installation 07, and anders is installation 09

[sour dirge]

that sucks I was kind of excited to see if in the campaign you would end up meeting Anders

[ornate atlas]

Which is kind of silly considering the ending of halo wars 2 matches perfectly with the first few seconds of infinite lol

[ornate atlas]

Yea same

[untold wasp]

How many rings are there left that haven’t been seen

[tepid sundial]

was the infinity the enitre usmc

[whole bronze]

i can't believe i just realized that the Ark is based off of Noah's Ark

[rapid lodge]

so at some point right before all this happens chief and blue team head back to reach with halsey, which is the closest planet to where anders transported halo 09 to. So my guess is that since halo wars 2 takes place about a year before infinite, theres some gap that in there that'll be filled. Best guess would be that the Spirit of fire and crew are already back with the UNSC or at least anders is. And we'll get to see that happen if and whenever we get a halo wars 3

[rapid lodge]

Its the last of the UNSC, but not in the way you think. The UNSC is just the United Nations Space Command, so everyone aboard the infinity is the remaining command staff for the Unified Earth Governments military ranked personnel. For the most part at least, its unknown if lord hood is alive or not when cortana destroyed the UNSC headquarters

[tepid sundial]

why are there no brutes in halo 1

[versed helm]

it was in the beginning of the covenant, so they weren’t recruited yet

[tepid sundial]

why were they in reach then?

[gray sedge]

Arbiter never liked brutes

[honest trout]

They were in halo 1 but you just dint fight them

[gray sedge]

He just did not hire them in his fleet @tepid sundial

[gray sedge]

I always took it as the Arbiter hated brutes so he kept them to limited or no deployment

[honest trout]

🤷‍♀️

[tepid sundial]

how many halos remain in the universe

[twin zinc]

when arbiter killed truth, he called him an a hole, so does this mean that elites understand english and basic human vulgarity

[gray sedge]

Elites definitely can swear

Along with the fact brutes can be gay

[twin zinc]

what?

[gray sedge]

A (comedic) line in H3

[twin zinc]

now hold up

which mission

[gray sedge]

“You killed my lover” is a rare phrase a brute can say if you kill his pack mate you can get it normally but IWHBYD makes it easier to find. I don’t usually take comedic lines as cannon unless nothing disproves them

[twin zinc]

most likely that one part of crows nest

[gray sedge]

Yeah it appears on crows nest or The Ark

Again nothing disproves homosexual brutes

So I personally have no problem considering them cannon

[rapid lodge]

realistically they probably just hadnt been thought of until they created halo 2 and came up with the Arbiters story.

[gray sedge]

I know that is the real life reasoning, but I like to have a lore explanation in my head

[unique rune]

when arbiter killed truth, he called him an a hole
As much as it sounds like that, the actual line is "And so, you must be silenced."

[rapid lodge]

"Because the Capital ships that reached Alpha Halo before POA did, was only carrying the most elite forces aboard in order to capture and destroy the POA. Brutes were usually reserved for grunt style kamakaze attacks against the UNSC. The Brutes lack moral compass and have no aptitude for planned combat. Not to mention, at the time, the Prophets didn't deam the Brutes worthy enough of touching the sacred ring." This is the best explanation I can find

Found this on a forum, not that its necessarily canon but its a the best reason

[gray sedge]

Lol wait did he think Arbiter said “ a^^hole you must be scilenced”

[unique rune]

I assume that's the case, yeah. Pretty common mistake to make from what I've seen.

[gray sedge]

Every day I lose a small amount of faith in humanity

[unique rune]

Eh. I can't really blame people that much. The audio does sound pretty similar. Subtitles obviously would make it clear, but not everyone plays with them on.

[versed helm]

i assume covenant have “slang” for curse words, but we don’t know sangheili or anything, so it’s difficult to know

[frail raptor]

Ask Dustin Echoes about it.

[edgy radish]

So maybe some of you guys can clear something up for me. From Halo 1-3 it was said that Master Chief was the “last Spartan” but Reach sorta screwed all of that up by saying Spartan III’s existed. Also, over a dozen Spartan II’s survived the Covenant War.

[obsidian locust]

Last knowing Spartan probably

[acoustic aspen]

At that time he he was the last active Spartan available for deployment. The rest were on missions or dead.

[edgy radish]

Does that also apply to the Spartan III’s?

[unique rune]

Sort of?

Most of Alpha and Beta Companies were dead by 2552, while Gamma was finishing up training largely unknown to most of the UNSC.

In general the whole "last Spartan" thing is just marketing stuff that relies on a bit of handwaving and ignoring new additions to the universe for it to ever really work.

After the Fall of Reach and during the Battle of Installation 04, arguably, yes, he was the last known surviving Spartan to anyone on board the Pillar of Autumn, but after that it doesn't really hold together.

[onyx meteor]

new ai is cortana and the old cortana killed 70 spartans daaang!

[edgy radish]

Spoilers fam

Wrong channel

[obsidian locust]

Is the Spartans being listed as MIA propaganda still a thing, or did they stop that after the introduction of the Spartan IVs?

[patent dagger]

opinion on battle born

[light horizon]

I’m sorry to ask this, but just beat the game, and wanted to ask as I’m still trying to rethink everything before going back into another playthrough. My question, how exactly was Cortana captured? I know the weapon disguised herself, but how did she get there? Was it John who brought her or another team? And how did atriox find her? I mean, yeah. He has a fairly good reason, but I don’t get it or might of missed some dialogue

[limber dagger]

spoilers man. keep anything that spoils infinite in #485883236430512168

[light horizon]

Not really a spoiler, but OK

[limber dagger]

I legitimately believed that Jorge said "mom" instead of "ma'am" to Halsey when they met up in Halo Reach. I thought he said mom for like 5 years until i started reading the books lol

[limber dagger]

it definitely is.

[light horizon]

Fair enough than

[limber dagger]

lol not trying to be prude here. just letting you know because if the mods see it, they will insta-mute you for a week. look at the latest message in #server-news .

[prime solar]

where have people been going for locations of audio logs propoganda towers tec

[versed helm]

The Log are so interesting

[light horizon]

I know. I got muted on a battlefield server for explaining a few issues, and got muted over a debt. The worst bit was I was talking about having racist comments towards me, but I got muted, then about 8 days later he gets kicked from the server

[limber dagger]

lol typical discord for you. but yeah basically ANYTHING, regardless of how small it is, that you wouldnt be able to know from just watching the trailers is gonna be considered a spoiler.

[light horizon]

That sucks, but thanks man. Appreciated. Is old games like the master chief collection count as anything spoiler or just this game?

[limber dagger]

no no, nothing besides infinite.

and the spoiler thing only lasts for a week

[wispy wasp]

did all spartan IIs all wear the same armor up to a point or no?

[light horizon]

Thanks man

[near tide]

Which 70?

[onyx meteor]

@near tidewhen she had that spartan training facility blow itslef up killing 70 spartans

[near tide]

Is that in campaign?

[onyx meteor]

@near tide i wont say if you havent seen it yet

[versed helm]

Lockes played by a black man

[spiral jewel]

What year is the new TV series on Paramount+ set exactly?

Something tells me that what few Spartans we've seen through the teasers are in MK IV armor and Mark 5 would probably be in at least in blueprint stage or Very Early testing,

[versed helm]

Probably near the Spartan 2 stage since it's probably trying to get new viewers in

If it started mid covenant war most casual Audiences would just get confused

[spiral jewel]

So, shortly after the the 2s receiving MkIV but before the formation of Alpha Company?

[versed helm]

Would be surprised if it doesn't cover the creation of the mark 2s

[south matrix]

Is the Heatwave the direct successor to the Scattershot?

In the same way as the Mangler replacing the Mauler

And Ravager to the Spiker

[versed helm]

Nah its a way slower rate of fire

Heatwaves more a railgun type

[hybrid juniper]

Heatwave is also natively on certain enemies other than banished.

[versed helm]

The banished use unsc weapons though

It'd be a fair assumption to say the heatwave belongs to the stuff in the ring tho

[hybrid juniper]

If I had to guess (I beat the game) I would say they belong to monitor types.

[pure escarp]

Thought it was 50 something

Also, the new ai had nothing to do with that.

[acoustic aspen]

74

[pure escarp]

76, i was still wrong tho

[lament hearth]

what are the covenants elite's called that are red and they use active camo and the red energy sword

[hybrid sierra]

The silent shadow

[lament hearth]

thank

I knew about them but forgot their name

[lucid depot]

hardlight weapons are forerunner in origin, so yes its from the ring

[versed helm]

hey

does anyone know how many spartans are left overall?

like, all of the 2's, 3's, and then 4's

active only, not MIA or wounded

[hybrid sierra]

Theres 14 spartan 2s alive and active
About a dozen spartan 3s
And hundreds of spartan 4s

[versed helm]

????fourteen??

holy shrimp

[hybrid sierra]

Yep

[versed helm]

that's so damn many though

i would've assumed only a quarter of them are left

[hybrid sierra]

4 in blue team
3 in red team
3 in grey team
3 in omega team
And 1 in kilo five

[unique rune]

14 Spartan-IIs, roughly 300 Spartan-IIIs though not all of them are actually in the field, and Spartan-IVs are somewhere sub-1k.

[versed helm]

300 S3's?

[unique rune]

Most of Gamma Company is still alive or otherwise unaccounted for.

[versed helm]

but i thought majority of S3's just went ahead and became S4's?

[unique rune]

No

S-IIIs have no need to become S-IVs

They’re already augmented and trained, they wouldn’t have any reason to do it again

[versed helm]

but isn't the upgrade to SIV really just them getting their tech upgraded

since SIV's had better equipment and armor

[unique rune]

That’s… not really becoming an S-IV

[hybrid sierra]

I mean all spartans have gen 3 armor now

[versed helm]

hm

how many IV's were there all in all?

or how many IV's *have there been now all in all

did they make as many IV's as they did III's?

[hybrid sierra]

Like about a thousand or so spartan 4s iirc

But theyre contantly training and making more

[unique rune]

There are at least 300-500 or so current Spartan-IVs
We don’t have any actual concrete numbers

[hybrid sierra]

The turtorial for infinite is literally about new spartan 4s being trained

[versed helm]

hmmm

nifty nifty haha

thanks y'all

[hybrid sierra]

Although alot of the spartan 4s were on the infinity
So no idea how many are still alive now

[versed helm]

yeah i'm just gonna assume most of the ones in the infinity have been blitzed hahhaa

no way most of them survived that

[fallen trellis]

What team is Halo Wars? Red?

[fallen trellis]

They've been folded into the corps, barring some Gammas being moved out due to their instability.

[versed helm]

what's with all the conflicting information sometimes ://

it's like if i ask how 4's compare to 2's/3's and there's always a boatload of different answers

and no one really seems to know what's canon

[versed helm]

but yeah, they're red team

[fallen trellis]

III's are complicated.

Most all of them now would be headhunters or equivalents, anyways. Only the 2 main company ones survived from Beta.

[south matrix]

Is the sidekick the direct successor to the Magnum?

[fallen trellis]

I would guess that the sidekick is just a normal carry pistol, given how it is 10mm.

[versed helm]

Maybe the h2 one

[fallen trellis]

Is the Orion suit (Original Halo reveal armor) some sort of Mjolnir mk III? I was looking at it earlier and it's awfully reminiscent of the current ODST design, which we know came from the Mjolnir program.

[fallen trellis]

In short;

A II will beat a III while a III will beat a IV. II would demolish a IV, Chief was just entertaining Locke for that fight.

The IV program would demolish the III program, while the III program would demolish the II program.

The individual Spartans are weaker, but the overall groups are stronger each generation.

[versed helm]

this is what i mean though :((

that's what i originally thought as well

each generation progressively gets "weaker"

but then people tell you that III's are only barely weaker than II's

and some will even argue they're just as good, it's just they kept getting sent into missions that even II's would be killed in

[fallen trellis]

That's essentially it.

[versed helm]

same with III's and IV's

how IV's are apparently just as good as III's are

[fallen trellis]

IIIs rely on a different philosophy because they were created in a different time for a different end.

Took the relevant lessons from the II program and distilled/refined them.

[versed helm]

yeah but i don't think a IV would just get walloped by a II

[fallen trellis]

Depends on the fight, after all.

[versed helm]

i mean in terms of overall quality

idk it just feels like there's less a consistent canon and more of peoples' personal interpretations mingling together

"IV's are weaker"

"actually no IV's are as good as III's"

[fallen trellis]

Over time, the individual strength isn't what's mattered.

[versed helm]

sure, but that wasn't really what i was asking haha

[fallen trellis]

A lot of the time, people are trying to compare them one-to-one when that ignores the how and why for each.

[unique rune]

I think a lot of it is just personal perception of each generation plus uneven points of comparison

[acoustic aspen]

Out of armor? a IV gets ragdolled slightly less than an ODST, in armor.... I'll give a IV 3/10 rounds against a II.

[fallen trellis]

Unless it's a Jorge or Kurt that just immediately suplexes them each time.

[versed helm]

The 4s are more reliant on their suits

2s would stop 3s and 4s since they're genetically enhanced and augmented

[acoustic aspen]

One is a volunteer with military experience, the other is living weapon molded since the age of 3-5 for the sole purpose of being a better killer.

[acoustic aspen]

all spartans have biochemical augmentations man.

[versed helm]

i'm purposefully ignoring the how and why, yes haha

i wasn't asking about the how and why

[versed helm]

The 2s have the most extensive

[acoustic aspen]

Indeed.

[versed helm]

a marine and a pelican have different how's and why's but everyone knows and admits the pelican is more valuable overall

[fallen trellis]

IIs were selected for their affinity to the augmentations and then built up even before getting them, and then given more growth even after.

[fallen trellis]

Unless it's room clearing.

[versed helm]

that's what i just said

different how's and why's

pelican is still more valuable *overall

[acoustic aspen]

Nah, a pelican on it's own is useless.

[unique rune]

-IIIs are officially supposed to be on par with -IIs, armor aside. I dislike this whole perception that they’re somehow “worse” than the -IIs on an even playing field.

[versed helm]

pelican with a pilot, semantics

[acoustic aspen]

I)

[fallen trellis]

IIIs aren't outright worse, just a realization of what matters.

[acoustic aspen]

🙂

[versed helm]

??

[acoustic aspen]

I fat fingered my keyboard

[versed helm]

Cause of the ODST comparisons

oh lmao

[fallen trellis]

They are weaker, but the IIs are an unrealistic goal for a fighting force. Which is understandable, given how they were made to fight different wars.

[versed helm]

Wasnt the S2 program just trying to get them working

Since the s1s didn't

[fallen trellis]

Sort of.

It was seeing what was needed to make them work at the time and then doing that.

[unique rune]

Orion worked in its second attempt, Spartan-II was just an attempt to make better supersoldiers.

[fallen trellis]

Orion was too costly and ineffective given the age of the applicants.

[versed helm]

and this feels like the most *consistent interpretation i've found so far, yeah

even if so many people seem to disagree

Isnt locke v chief an accurate example

[unique rune]

No

[fallen trellis]

Chief wasn't feeling himself that day.

[unique rune]

That fight is terribly choreographed and it’s a weird scene with weird circumstances to begin with

[fallen trellis]

Chief also isn't a normal II.

[versed helm]

lmao

heheheheh

[fallen trellis]

He's on the slimmer side, and also has a deep respect for his compatriots. He wouldn't go all out on Locke just for following his orders.

[acoustic aspen]

that statement was also made with the idea that it's your basic run of the mill S4 vs an S2... anyone on blue team will mop 99.5% of S4's like a mickey D's after closing.

[fallen trellis]

IIs were olympic athletes going into their augmentations, and they were screened to get the most out of them (part of the reason their project was the most lethal) and given an additional continuous growth booster to boot.

IIIs and IVs are given the same treatments to bring them up to par to run the armor, but while that also puts them in a new playing field, they'll never get the same benefits as a II.

Gamma IIIs, though, that might be a discussion to have. II's strength vs a berserker mode.

[versed helm]

yeah haha

definitely

[acoustic aspen]

nah, III and 4 Serum are still very different. and the II's were still given there serum as teenagers so it would actually take, same as the II's

[fallen trellis]

Same was a rough equivalence.

IIIs will still be bigger than a IV and also have at least some time to grow into their augmentations.

[rapid lodge]

Nah, the magnum from halo 1 is a specially modified magnum made for Keyes himself. Then there’s the actual UNSC standard issue pistol you see in halo 2, id assume it’s newer version of that

[acoustic aspen]

where the hell did you get that from?

[rapid lodge]

Which part

[acoustic aspen]

It being specially modified

[rapid lodge]

Look it up

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M6D_Pistol

Correction, it’s not specifically made for Keyes, but it’s essentially an “officers” edition

[fallen trellis]

Feels retconny to me.

[rapid lodge]

Upstaged from the weaker variant you use in reach, it has a .50 beowulf round which is why it basically 2 shots elites

[rapid lodge]

Most stuff is after halo 1 tbh

[fallen trellis]

Brief reminder that the magnum was supposed to be a throwaway weapon.

Even before any lore additions, that goes back to development conflicts.

[acoustic aspen]

It should be noted as well that a primary reason for the M6D's damage lore wise is because it's using explosive bullets.

[magic fog]

I found the magnum. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qYkbpitE6mA

[fallen trellis]

Nevermind, I guess the manual does describe that.

[acoustic aspen]

Semi Armor Piercing High Explosive rounds.

[fallen trellis]

Theory; Chief's Gen III suit is patterned after his MK IV one to boost morale during the created conflict.

[acoustic aspen]

I still want to know when they found time to develop gen III Mjolnir when Gen 2 was still relatively new during Guardians.

[fallen trellis]

If I had to guess, it's more of a necessity than a choice.

[versed helm]

Probably

He MK4 was also pretty reliable tbf

[cosmic zinc]

unsc was unhappy with the high cost and minimal improvements of gen 2 and thus gen 3 was ordered

which is also why chiefs suit is back to the minimalistic design

[fallen trellis]

Reading up on the lore, my feeling seems to be supported.

It's a distillation of Gens I/II given the current situation.

[cosmic zinc]

yeah and you nailed it. based on mk iv & v

[versed helm]

Probably also to reduce reliance on AIs considering

Chief doesn't need to take the chip out to reintegrate the AI into his suit now

[fallen trellis]

That too. New structure for the dumb ais.

[acoustic aspen]

Thats been a thing since Halo 2

[cosmic zinc]

all S-IV's have micro AI's

the MP ai

[versed helm]

He takes it out in 2

[acoustic aspen]

Sometimes, other times he just touches stuff. like the bomb on Cairo station

[fallen trellis]

I'm still a little salty about losing the 4/5 armor (Such a nice blend of his MK V&VI suits) but I could see him doing something like that for a IV suit.

And it feels better than them just going with a mcthicc Mk VI suit.

[versed helm]

His armour in 4/5 was kinda ehhh tho

[fallen trellis]

I liked the form of it. Gave him a sleek but strong appearance.

[versed helm]

Changed too much imo

Also had wacky colours

[fallen trellis]

Green and orange, nothing strange.

And yes, it was weird for him to just have it as he was leaving the pod.

[steel stone]

Weirdly enough that gen3 Mark 7 stuff in the options has brought back that Halo 5 style armor but made to suit the new artstyle, its brilliant

[fallen trellis]

Soldier looks pretty nice. Aviator is kind of eh but the cheeks attachment looks good.

Speaking of 5, can't what for MK V helmet in that upcoming event.

Gonna cosplay a spartan II for a bit with the platinum anniversary coating and the half plate chest.

[fervent hare]

Do we know exactly what armor Chief's wearing in Infinite?

And Agryna? It doesn't look like the MP armor to me

[gritty gazelle]

I missed another 3 conversation but gamma>=2

3’s have insane feats while wearing literally slightly better ODST armor aka SPI and Kurt literally called them the best generation

[unique rune]

Chief is wearing Mk.VI GEN3. Agryna’s armor is unnamed so far.

[mortal socket]

Anyone know what happened to my boi virgil after odst???

[fallen trellis]

I'd still put Gamma at weaker than IIs (Until the drugs kick in) but able to put up a much longer fight. And as far as psyches go, way, way lower. Daily mood stabilizers and all that.

Kurt is also biased. Halsey would say her IIs are the best, and actually just had a line saying as such.

When it comes to strength and tactics, you can't top the IIs. There's a reason many of them are now in the upper echelons of UNSC command whether their augmentations were a success or not.

When it comes to being a spartan, there's a lot more than just having a fisticuffs session, though. IIs were and are the best Spartans around but if they were the only ones, humanity would have died out a long time ago. IIIs bought the UNSC time and provided as many if not more adequate soldiers as the first generation, and IVs are the natural culmination of the programs.

[fervent hare]

Thanks. I guessed that for the past 2 years but wanted to wait until beating the campaign to find out :P

[acoustic aspen]

One of the members of Gamma might be able to handle the majority of the Spartan II's, but I have a better chance of bedding Jessica Alba than any member of Gamma has at taking down a member of blue team. Remember it took three Spartan III's to still not quite match Kelly alone.

[fallen trellis]

What do you mean by handle?

Like toe to toe?

[acoustic aspen]

Yeah, in a fight.

one on one

[fallen trellis]

I could agree with that. It's just that would probably be doing more damage to themselves than the II.

And it's just not worth the cost. Rapidly deteriorating mental state and daily injections to slow that down.

[acoustic aspen]

Indeed

[fallen trellis]

I understand why Kurt did it, it's just a shame that was never exactly needed.

He was expecting them to get another mission like alpha and beta, one that never came.

[acoustic aspen]

Well... in a way it did... it came to them.

[versed helm]

He worked with the UNSC

[fossil hollow]

so i know its really early but does anyone know what happened to spartan sarel after we found him in the tower in halo infinites campain /

?*

[versed helm]

Can Master Chief kill a Cyberdemon from Doom?

I mean the 2016 version ofc.

[fallen trellis]

If the demon slayer can shoot one to death, yes.

[fallen trellis]

Spartan griffon or something, and he died.

[marsh verge]

question can you make a backup of an AI and if so why dont the UNSC make a backup of cortana i know making a smart AI needs a brain but when you have the AI brain and stuff cant you make a backup of it or is it just weird also could you copy AI like copy past basically

[night flax]

You cant

Copies of ai’s exist, but they degrade fast and dont work well @marsh verge

[fossil hollow]

question : are laski and holsi on the ring

[night flax]

As far as we know yes

[versed helm]

No you cant

The AIs develop independently after they're made so getting a 1:1 recreation wouldn't be possible

[acoustic aspen]

Have you completed Infinites Campaign?

[versed helm]

Guess

And Cortana functions differently. She was fragmented

[acoustic aspen]

Well, based on that statement I would say no.

[glad plume]

Interested into getting more into the lore of Halo universe. I tried using the link in the pins, but it gives me an error 404. Any good guide as to what to read, play or watch and in which order? Also I have the Halo 4 limited edition and I remember that was supposed to include Forward Unto Dawn, where could I watch that?

[fallen trellis]

Fall of Reach on Netflix, if it's still up there.

Forward Unto Dawn is on Waypoint, I think?

[glad plume]

Seems like it is not

[fallen trellis]

There's also Halo Legends that gives a palette for the world.

[unique rune]

Halopedia wouldn’t be a bad place to start to get a feel for things. They have some pages that I imagine would be useful, like their novels page.
https://www.halopedia.org/Halo_novels

I’d also suggest looking into buying or borrowing a copy of Halo Mythos, or even preordering next year’s Encyclopedia release.

[glad plume]

I'll look into that. Thanks

[glad plume]

I thought so to, but unsure where to find it, and most links I have found seem to be 404 now.

[nimble laurel]

@glad plume forward until dawn is still on Netflix aswell as far as I'm aware

[sterile prawn]

wait so have the covenant been dismantled or something or do they still exist as remnant groups