#lore-and-universe

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empty bloom
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Several direct hits from Hunter cannons, Prophet chair beam cannons

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Point blank detonation of a plasma grenade

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Direct hit by a Forerunner laser.

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Actually, several direct hits.

last anchor
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Glancing hits from multiple Sentinels.

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Or multiple direct if my driving back in OG Halo 3 was anything to go by hahah.

empty bloom
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Oh, I'm just saying unavoidable damage, IE cutscenes and comics

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Like, in Uprising, he takes a beating.

last anchor
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Fair.

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Im still convinced the amount of laser fire you take during the Warthog run is canon tho

empty bloom
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You actually see part of his armor get opened up, lmao

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And it's never mentioned again

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Oh, also, the hunter cannons were before the plasma grenade

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The entire reason the Chieftain was standing over him was because Chief basically got blasted by 12 hunters at once.

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Good 'ol Halo comic power scaling. What is it?

versed helm
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Okay so I have a few questions about some lore and why are some things the way they are in the Halo games.
Is the reason why the flood has never returned after Halo 3 because after the arc blew up and that halo ring was destroyed that grave mind was killed killing all other flood?
How come there was never really a crossover between Halo wars and the main franchise with red team and blue team?
And do you think it is possible for Halo infinite to have DLCs to add on to the map just like destiny but we get more answers into the Halo universe?

safe hawk
orchid kettle
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Gravemind himself being the result of the Flood specimens somehow getting loose on Delta Halo, and eating up some biomass for a while

versed helm
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Okay that I do remember about the flood but I honestly miss fighting them and they really need to like up the horror aspect of it because going back to the original three they don't scare me anymore and I miss that

safe hawk
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You want to be fighting the flood for another trilogy?

versed helm
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It's better than Prometheans

safe hawk
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Prometheans are better in every way

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They involve more strategy

versed helm
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Execution-wise I feel like the Prometheans were really lackluster and I will give you that they did involve more strategy

safe hawk
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Instead of the shoot shoot reload

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They were executed just fine. What was wrong with the execution?

versed helm
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Going back and playing games it just felt so underwhelming and it felt like something was missing

safe hawk
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Like what

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They had different fractions, a purpose to the story and a whole new weapon set

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It added to the game in its totality whereas the flood was just another enemy

orchid kettle
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I think Id like the Flood more if they acted more like the Taken from Destiny

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where they still infect enemies like usual, but their combat form behavior depends on the host species they just infected

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remixing the enemies

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instead of infected Elites, Brutes, and Humans being largely the same to fight

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like, have infected Grunts act like youd expect, just rushing at the player in a straight line to smack them

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but have infected Elites act a bit smarter

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I always liked the idea of Brutes always having jump jets by default, like how Elites seem to love active camo

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in which case, you could infected brutes zipping around in the air, perhaps missing half their body

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as a crude, ugly imitation of a Drone

last anchor
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FSC wings

plush compass
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The reason the infinity crashed is because Chips Dubbo wasn’t there to save the day

fiery marten
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Can flood infect Spartans?

unique rune
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Yes

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The Flood can infect or otherwise convert pretty much anything that is or was alive.

pallid knoll
unique rune
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I mean, sure, they can only hijack and control the body of something that has a nervous system, but biomass is biomass regardless. If it can't be directly controlled, it can still be consumed and used for other Flood things.

pallid knoll
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wait yeah you’re right

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I just remembered that one halo 3 map where the flood slowly infects the grass during the round

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drowsy mesa
radiant panther
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I think that the flood isn’t extinct.

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The gravemind is dead, sure, but what about the other Installations?

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What if there’s more flood waiting out there in the galaxy?

empty bloom
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That's why there are specialized Spartan IV Fireteams who are specifically trained and equipped to fight the flood.

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There's also the events of AtN from Halo Wars 2.

radiant panther
empty bloom
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I do not.

radiant panther
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Imagine playing as an elite combat form, tearing through enemies no matter what

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Kind of like doom

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Firing your plasma rifle at your enemies wildly, & forcing them to join the Gravemind.

tawny fox
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The game Stubbs the Zombie which interestingly enough ran on the halo engine had a cool feature where you detached your hand and it can crawl around like an infection form and you could jump onto an enemy’s head and basically possess them in similar fashion to a flood infection form and turn them into your puppet which would then grant you the ability to use firearms which would come in handy when fighting enemies with guns

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So yeah to me it does sound like a fun idea if done right

pale zenith
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Special infected flood forms

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4 mombasa citizens

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it wud need a god squad to dev it tho

warm pumice
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Does glassing literally turn the planet into glass?

abstract wren
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Only the surface (the crust)

orchid kettle
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i prefer my planets without the crust, personally

unique rune
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lechatelierite

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don't 🤓 me

Denning writes it like a thousand times in Shadows of Reach

tribal trench
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yeah it kinda gets annoying

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more poetic if he just says “glass” tbh

ionic moth
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Agree

warm pumice
unique rune
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Yeah. It’s an actual substance that can be formed when something like a lightning strike hits sand with a high silica content.

And Denning uses the word… many times. So many.

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I wonder if anyone’s gone through and counted it…

stoic hamlet
orchid kettle
unique rune
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perhaps

orchid kettle
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if brohammer was stuck in that pelican for six months

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how did he go to the bathroom

unique rune
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Maybe he’s just really glad some of the crates in the troop bay got sucked into space when Chief ran outside

orchid kettle
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chiefsmirkle 👌

empty bloom
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Because I'd assume a Pelican has an on-board lavatory given the nature of its operations, albeit not a particularly grand one.

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Worse comes to worse, I assume he had a vacuum suit for... Manually dumping things out.

scarlet quiver
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I assumed all pelicans came with survival gear like commercial planes do.
Not much, but enough to barely keep you alive.

empty bloom
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I figure it's something along the lines of a C-130.

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Which is... Basically just a bucket.

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Like, by bucket standards it's pretty good, but by toilet standards it's just above the average chamber pot.

orchid kettle
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Chief and the Pilot both must just absolutely reek

empty bloom
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Well, Pilot certainly does.

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Chief, well, really depends on his internal injuries after getting manhandled by the Chadliest Brute to ever Chad.

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That and I honestly assume the worst a Spartan will usually smell is entirely dependent on how intact their armor is.

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Like, it's gotta be a mess the more damaged you get. Spartans are catheterized (Going to be rolling with my assumption that it's a subrapubic catheter, IE through the abdominal wall), have a gel layer all around them, have a backup system of sealants, gauzes, biofoam, medgels, presumably coolant, onboard medical supplies including, presumably, anticoagulants.

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Like, you start to crack open a Spartan, they're gonna be messy.

scarlet quiver
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Like a medical room filled with blood, sweat, and urine?

empty bloom
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Near the end of stuff like CE+First Strike, yeah, you're gonna smell like a charnel house.

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But by the start, you'd problably just smell like a slightly better smelling hospital waiting room.

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With the additions of some auto shop for the grease or whatever.

dense falcon
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...this is incorrect, isn't it?

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Eridanus and Epsilon Eridani are not the same?

empty bloom
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Epsilon Eradini II is the other name of Reach.

dense falcon
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When I first saw the starmap in Starfield and found "Eridanus" I said "Oh cool, Master Chief's home planet"

empty bloom
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Eridanus is an entirely different place.

dense falcon
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But there's no Epsilon Eridani system out there, so no?

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That's what I'm saying

empty bloom
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I wouldn't know as I don't have Starfield, sadly, but he is right about where Reach is in its own system. Not sure if the system is in the game though.

dense falcon
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Huh, it's called Eridani

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Nevermind then, looks like the post is correct

empty bloom
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Weird.

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What, were they just too cool to add "Epsilon"?

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... On second thought, maybe this isn't the best place to discuss what kind of catheter works better for a supersoldier.

orchid kettle
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I made it my mission to go to Epsilon Eridani in Elite Dangerous, and apparently I came across other Halo fans who decided to do the same thing, since I started seeing people who named their ships with the "UNSC" prefix

empty bloom
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I've never really understood the appeal of trying to pretend to be from one game in another game.

stoic hamlet
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I was tagged?

empty bloom
# stoic hamlet I was tagged?

I was asking what kind of catheter makes more sense for a Spartan to have before realizing that's not the most appropriate topic I could discuss.

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The answer's clearly subrapubic anyways, not foley.

stoic hamlet
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Ah, I believe it’s been described as essentially akin to how Dune does their slip suits, apparently. At least from memory.

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Which is…odd, but meh, I can see why they went with it.

empty bloom
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Weird. I was going off of Naomi's dialogue in Glasslands.

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Paraphrasing, "This suit plugs into me in a lot of places"

stoic hamlet
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Yeah that’s how it should be, IMO, but apparently 343 are now going with the Dune idea.

empty bloom
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Hmn.

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Could be both?

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I don't really know how the waste, ah, transfers in a still suit aside from involving pockets.

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Which is not terribly descriptive.

orchid kettle
empty bloom
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I mean like, I don't see what's fun about it. I know why they do it, I just don't see the enjoyment that comes out of it.

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Like, I get the why, I just don't get the how.

orchid kettle
empty bloom
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I take it that doesn't make any sense?

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It's like, I get what you're doing, I get the stated reason of why you are doing, I just do not understand how that thing is fun to do.

orchid kettle
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I feel like trying to answer that would involve delving into why people like things or ideas and form the attachments they do

empty bloom
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I mean, it's not really a question.

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It's a statement.

pale zenith
surreal glen
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Epsilon Eridani is a real star system

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Reach however, is not

orchid kettle
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Apparently its significant that in Starfield, Eridani II is in the same spot Reach was, and is also an Earth-like planet

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Its a neat side effect of setting these worlds in real world star systems

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though I think Halo lost its taste for doing so after the whole debacle about Harvest orbiting Epsilon Indi when that star is only 12 LY away

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and I guess its to future proof the series

stoic hamlet
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Pretty much. The less real systems used the easier it is to make new stuff and not have it make absolutely no sense.

plush compass
orchid kettle
plush compass
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Maybe epsilon indi moved very fast in 500 years

orchid kettle
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which would actually make it about as Inner as Inner Colonies got

plush compass
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Maybe slipspace ate it and pooped it somewhere far away

orchid kettle
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to one more appropriate

orchid kettle
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You could also argue that Halo is always eventually going to be outdated

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either when we reach the year 2552 and we still aren't space faring yet or have just outright all died

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or we reach the point where humanity has charted the entirety of the milky way, and can conclusively state that there are no giant floating ring worlds

unique rune
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The SFTE was made public in 2291
So we've only got another ~270 years

grand prairie
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I noticed in H2A some brutes have the tops of their shoulderpads flat and some have 2 spikes. Is there any lore reason for this or just some vararity?

empty bloom
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Some like having spiked shoulders.

steel stone
grand prairie
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Thanks. I just wanted to make sure it was not a rank thing lol

steel stone
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Can I ask why is the Reach Assault Rifle in Halo Infinite? isnt the reach one really old? why didnt they use the Halo 3 one or the current one I dunno

steel stone
grand prairie
grand prairie
empty bloom
steel stone
plush compass
grand prairie
dusk jetty
pale zenith
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Tho I do like all halo ARs

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I’d say the new infinite blocky ar is best

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Forgot the name

eager ingot
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The one that came out in infection?

empty bloom
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I kind of think the UNSC would be more interesting in Infinite if they outright acknowledged the fact they are the UNSC-in-Exile more openly.

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Realizing they're effectively a military without a government, considering the UEG's... Kind of replaced, now.

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Like, one would think the UNSC's effectively in the same position as Gears of War 3's COG.

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Or near it.

last anchor
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Thats what the lore on the armor seems to suggest.
They're literally salvaging wrecked ships for parts they cant get elsewhere.

empty bloom
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It suggests it, of course.

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I'd rather it be more in your face, I guess.

last anchor
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Same

fair hazel
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Slipspace distances can be different than realspace

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so a slipspace distance between earth and harvest can take way longer

orchid kettle
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I don't believe for a second that even if Chief got off Zeta that there's even much of a UNSC to go back to

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Humanity gets pushed to the brink of extinction against the Covenant, and then a few years later, they get a double dose of devastating defeats?

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nah, at that point, the "UNSC" might as well just be the ship a marine is stuck on

plush compass
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But there’s still ONI right

orchid kettle
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some dregs, Im sure

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but the books set during Cortana's reign do generally have this vibe of like

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the heroes just doing whatever they want because the chain of command stops at like, Captain Lasky

empty bloom
plush compass
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Like how could humanity be so off guard after the covenant split into a million different terrorist groups

empty bloom
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Like, the three known highest ranking people who are still in contact with the UNSC are Captain Lasky, Spartan Palmer, and Spartan Agryna. Jun's a civilian contractor now IIRC so he's technically not ranked.

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And Lasky and Palmer both dissappeared, so that leaves Agryna.

plush compass
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Was Lord Hood confirmed to have died?

orchid kettle
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He's like chilling on some backwater world with Osman

empty bloom
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Lord Hood is alive but out of contact.

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As is Osman.

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Lord Hood is also going full alchoholic.

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So I doubt he's gonna be okay when he comes back.

orchid kettle
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i mean, why not right

empty bloom
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If he doesn't retire first.

orchid kettle
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just get yourself a new flash cloned liver

plush compass
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How did the UNSC just let an entire guardian get up to Australia

orchid kettle
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chiefsmirkle 👌

empty bloom
orchid kettle
empty bloom
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Because, lmao, you don't. You really, really don't. They don't care what you want.

orchid kettle
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Again, in the books set during this time period, fighting them just isnt an option

plush compass
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But couldn’t they have detected it and at least tried shooting it

empty bloom
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They did.

orchid kettle
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You run the second you hear that one is on its way

empty bloom
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It did not work.

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It's why there is now a suspiciously UNSC ship-shaped crash site in the ruins of the glassed city of Sydney, lmao

plush compass
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Maybe the UNSC should try to see if you can put an entire planet into slipspace so they could run away

empty bloom
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Well, Onyx did that IIRC.

orchid kettle
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||Its also the whole premise of Outcasts that they're looking for a weapon capable of harming a Guardian. This has been mentioned in the youtube previews, so I dunno if this counts as spoilers or not.||

empty bloom
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Unno, maybe, maybe not.

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I mean, they'd be doing that anyways.

plush compass
empty bloom
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High Charity isn't a planet.

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It's just big.

orchid kettle
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punch a big enough hole in subspace and anything would fit

empty bloom
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Doesn't slipspace tend to get weird once planetoids get involved?

orchid kettle
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In Cole Protocol, the Exodus asteroid gets strapped with a million slipspace drives and jumps to Sol if I recall

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(I don't think Buckell knew that once you're in slipspace, you still need conventional methods of propulsion to move)

plush compass
empty bloom
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This is a certified Buckell moment.

plush compass
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Well maybe the asteroid was moving pretty fast as it entered slipspace

empty bloom
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Either way though, you can't really reliably outfight a Guardian. Most that went down were nuked until they stopped working.

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Which is kind of a copout, but I'm sure a NOVA could do it.

orchid kettle
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Im sure if you brought it up to 343 now, they'd just say the the Rubble people strapped the asteroid with some conventional engines as well as slipspace drives

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and the book just doesnt mention it

empty bloom
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Like, pretty much any single vessel, or small fleet, is going to get turned into a debris field, ghost ship, or ship graveyard if it picks a fight with a Guardian.

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Because either it uses conventional arms, or the EMP.

plush compass
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Maybe they should ask one of the Monitors how to kill one

empty bloom
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A monitor wouldn't really know.

plush compass
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True

empty bloom
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Really, it's shocking that nukes worked at all, considering how OP Guardians were supposed to be.

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Then again, a nuke worked on The Mantle's Approach, so.

plush compass
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Did they use guardians against the flood often

eager ingot
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I think so

plush compass
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Cuz it seems like a pretty decent way to attack the flood

empty bloom
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By the late FFW, Guardians would've been heavily outclassed by other Forerunner vessels.

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Which the flood had in relative abundance.

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As near as I can tell, the Guardians are more geared specifically to punch down and enforce the mantle.

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So against a real forerunner ship, they'll probably lose, but against, oh, anything normal the UNSC or Covenant could throw at it, it's a curb stomp.

safe hawk
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We were robbed of forerunner and guardian lore in the games, and I don’t know how I feel about it

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Especially after reading outcasts

empty bloom
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I feel angry.

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Or frustrated.

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Or merely annoyed.

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Really depends on the day.

meager pier
safe hawk
meager pier
boreal bane
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When did it release in the UK again?

safe hawk
terse lava
boreal bane
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Think we'll say end of this month it can be discussed in here instead of the spoilers thread

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Give folk enough time to get through it

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Updated inactivity timer to 1 week, so it shouldn't drop off as fast now

safe hawk
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Infinite is non canon

to me

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terse lava
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Meh some people see the whole h4-Infinite as non-canon

empty bloom
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I call those people

terse lava
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hm?

last anchor
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They may try. But reality asserts itself.

terse lava
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Frankly I wouldn't mind seeing the whole Created escapade shunted aside alongside the Doisac shattering. That ship long sailed

last anchor
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Just stick to SOMETHING please.

plush compass
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I didn’t really like a lot of the created conflict but I don’t want halo to become a multiverse

last anchor
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Sit down and actually give us lore. Disect things please

plush compass
abstract wren
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They try to follow the "mood" of the community... and are bound to fail

terse lava
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That's exactly the reason I dislike it myself. Why bother getting invested in the lore when it just gets tossed aside

last anchor
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Honestly I feel like a LOT of series are doing that now.

plush compass
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They sidelined didact for Jul M’dama who got sidelined before he even got to be a main villain except in spartan ops, then they sidelined the Created for Atriox who got sidelined for the rest of the banished who got sidelined for the Endless who haven’t even appeared yet

last anchor
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Star Wars for sure (wheres my post-sequel stuff Disney, you gave us a SOLID opening for WEIRD STUFF)
40ks always had that issue but its still pretty bad even with the advancements they're making.

terse lava
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Ironically Requiem itself was side lined, only to be hinted to still be around

last anchor
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At least the Halo storyline keeps going forward even if it does kinda..jagleg weirdly.

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Just sit down and focus on something. Detail it to the point where the casual fans eyes burn from their skulls. THEN move on

terse lava
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Eh least 40k is aware of it, considering such problems as in-universe propaganda or missinformation

plush compass
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I just trust that inevitably 343 will retcon stuff that doesn’t make sense or bring back things they sidelines in the form of the novels (even though I’d like better game stories)

terse lava
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What I find kinda weird is, while not going into details, the newest book Outcasts shines some light on the Created. Where was that when the Created themselves were the "main baddie"

plush compass
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And they weren’t even enemies they just had prometheans

terse lava
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kinda my point though. afterwards they were treated like the main enemy, yet books at the time didn't really touch on it much

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They were just kinda...there, and then the Banished came along

plush compass
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It’s like they establish a threat, immediately kill them off, and then let the novels explain everything after they’re dead

terse lava
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yep

plush compass
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But I definitely think that had the enemies gotten more time to be established as enemies and actually done villainous stuff they’d be better

abstract wren
terse lava
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True, but still shone more light on than what we had before

empty bloom
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You're just making the problem worse.

terse lava
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As I said, far too late for that ship anyway

orchid kettle
empty bloom
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"You know what would fix this nail in my brain? Putting a staplegun to my head and doing it with a different piece of metal!"

empty bloom
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There'll be a reckoning with it and I'd rather it be worth more than whatever thing is being suggested.

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I have a theory regarding the Banished I don't really want to share but I think it's actually going to involve the other upcoming book.

terse lava
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what? no no as in far too late to just shunt it aside. Was just never a fan of them just randomly coming up the idea of the Created being led by Cortana. I do hope that now at least they do properly expand on them

empty bloom
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I don't view it as being random at all.

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It's not exactly predicted but it wasn't unpredictable.

safe hawk
orchid kettle
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The pessimist in me says that the whole spiel about "Actually, the Created are still around in some places!" is just an attempt to placate both sides of the fanbase

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I hope it gets expanded upon and stories deal with it

empty bloom
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The pessimist in me says that about a lot of things.

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"actually, some IVs still wear GEN2, like Vale!"

orchid kettle
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I just fear it'll forever remain the subject of minor, obscure material

empty bloom
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Which is just... Awful.

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Awful all around.

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So I hope it's wrong.

orchid kettle
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kinda like how the Flood are in post war

empty bloom
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And I'd rather be hopeful than be spouting vitriol.

orchid kettle
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with the occasional hints at them continuing to be a problem somewhere

empty bloom
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TBF, the flood on a small level aren't the same type of threat.

orchid kettle
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But probably won't ever be in the spotlight again

empty bloom
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Like, the Flood are just sequestered in old Forerunner facilities not doing anything of note.

orchid kettle
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tho I guess Awakening the Nightmare happened

empty bloom
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The Created dominate most of the important UNSC worlds, conversely.

terse lava
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That is a pretty accurat comparsion. It feels like there should have been way more to the Created than what we got. Even if in-lore they existed for what, year and a half?

empty bloom
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It should've been ten years between 5 and Infinite, IMO.

terse lava
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Yeah, give a larger expanse of time

empty bloom
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Though I'm a little glad they didn't go with the original plan of having Osiris actually fail to save Blue Team in 5's ending

safe hawk
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10 years

empty bloom
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In-universe, 10 years.

safe hawk
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My man

empty bloom
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... What?

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Am I missing something?

orchid kettle
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9+1 years

meager pier
empty bloom
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Yes.

safe hawk
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It’s a phrase

empty bloom
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Ah

safe hawk
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I wouldn’t mind having blue team in captive if it meant we were going to get a story in rescuing them

orchid kettle
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Id like a bit more time, but I dunno if Id go as far as ten years

empty bloom
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Oh, but the way Infinite went?

safe hawk
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A Spartan ops 2

empty bloom
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I doubt it'd happen.

orchid kettle
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god knows we need more time for gen3 to be a thing

empty bloom
orchid kettle
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Though I guess Mark V was also weirdly short lived

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where it just existed for a year and then the next Mark dropped

safe hawk
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Chief on his solo is such a poor decision

orchid kettle
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and depending on how canon certain material is-- Mark VI was even shorter lived, as we see Blue Team in their Halo 5 fits reporting to Highcom during the Battle of Earth

safe hawk
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We got that already

empty bloom
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They weren't wearing GEN2 in that case IIRC, just GEN1 Mark whatever.

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They were really trying to go hard into gens mattering less than armor around then

safe hawk
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And we know that his characterization is more interesting when he plays off of other people

empty bloom
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Preaching to the choir.

safe hawk
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Except his relationship with the pilot

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Forced dialogue

empty bloom
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He's alright with Pilot. Most of the time.

safe hawk
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So many cringe moments

orchid kettle
empty bloom
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GEN2 seems to have slipped into official full production around then, IIRC.

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Or GEN1.5.

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I wonder if Infinite's plot would've been better if a different Spartan were the PoV.

terse lava
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Can't say I cared for the Pilot much myself. Don't even remember his name.

empty bloom
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Esparza. He only tells you at the end anyways.

safe hawk
orchid kettle
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I like Brohammer a lot myself

empty bloom
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Weapon annoys me for being a bit of a replacement goldfish.

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"A bit"

orchid kettle
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I wonder if the Pilot will ever eat that protein bar he has hanging out of his pouch at all times

safe hawk
meager pier
terse lava
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I still hope she doesn't choose Cortana as a new name.

safe hawk
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She’s the response to the people that complained that cortana should not be evil, she should always be good

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those people

empty bloom
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I temper my wording.

safe hawk
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Were it so easy

meager pier
orchid kettle
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I don't like the Weapon as much as Pilotboi, but I appreciate how she contrasts with Chief

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Still think they should have cut back on her ambient dialogue tho

terse lava
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@meager pier Would at least fit with that whole theme with the swords

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yeah, some of it came of as...childish

orchid kettle
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Infinite in general, campaign or multiplayer, seems to be deathly afraid of the player just enjoying a quiet moment

safe hawk
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Let’s hope they go the vision route and combine the two to make super cortana

orchid kettle
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did the mcu ever do anything with that

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i havent been keeping up

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because the shows are bad

safe hawk
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Or make her “evil” again to push the buttons of many

orchid kettle
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I honestly assume at this point, you can't not have Jen Taylor in the series, and if Halo 6 was always going to be Cortana dying a second time

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then I guess the Weapon lets them keep her on the payroll

plush compass
orchid kettle
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Mark IV lasts Chief for twenty seven years, but then there's a new armor line every other week

plush compass
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Did all of the Spartan 3’s at the time of the fall of reach have Mk V or a variant of it?

orchid kettle
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the Noble Team-type ones did

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Bungie moved Mark V's release date to 2551 to make the gameplay possible

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tho 343 has since stated that Red Team's shields in HW1 were prototype modules, instead of merely being a gameplay concession like people thought

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so I guess now a Halo FPS can take place whenever

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but I kinda do prefer Spartans being unshielded in the books

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I don't think its very interesting to read "Oh no, I got hit, and now my video game health bar is at 70%!"

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versus like, the character just getting hit and dealing with the pain

plush compass
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It does seem a bit crazy how the unsc would be able to reverse engineer shields so early when most times unsc forced didn’t even get the chance to leave the planets before they got glassed

orchid kettle
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They have apparently been studying it for decades

plush compass
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I personally don’t like the idea of red team having shields unless they were very experimental and weak

orchid kettle
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Mark V, at least back in Fall of Reach, was more or less just Mark IV with the newly realized shielding technology

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and the ability to house a smart AI

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otherwise its more or less the same suit

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Chief mentions its got a bulkier backpack tho, likely because of the increased power requirements for the shielding

plush compass
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Also what about ship gravity and stuff like that

orchid kettle
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I guess the idea is that Mark V is taking these recent breakthroughs and applying it to Mark IV

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while Mark VI was about taking MJOLNIR in general and making it better in every category

plush compass
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Cuz I know some ships in the fall of reach just rotated because they had no gravity

orchid kettle
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and if a ship didn't have that, you just floated around in zero g

plush compass
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Did the UNSC find artificial gravity on their own or did they use covenant tech

orchid kettle
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Nylund often mentions sailors having a distinct "space walk" developed after extensive time in such conditions

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but later on, Bungie and 343 just decided that ships had vague "artificial gravity generators"

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so no more rotating sections

plush compass
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I’m gonna assume either ONI found forerunner tech and hid the existence of the discovery and passed it on as a human invention or reverse engineered covenant tech

orchid kettle
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because in Contact Harvest, humans ships had artificial gravity even back in 2525

meager pier
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Interesting that Nylund included the detail of rotators for a ship to have artificial gravity, yet the Pillar of Autumn had none of that to have artificial gravity

drowsy mesa
empty bloom
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Yep

empty bloom
drowsy mesa
pallid knoll
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now they made it so that ships like the Autumn use detachable thrusters to leave atmosphere

drowsy mesa
orchid kettle
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I think its been mentioned in one story or another that most UNSC capital ships aren't supposed to ever actually fly in-atmosphere

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but obviously, that kinda got changed very quickly

dusty ferry
last anchor
plush compass
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And there’s the giant forerunner thing Halsey studied in Halo reach that probably has a lot of juicy science stuff in it

versed helm
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How would a ttrpg version of Halo work?

grim echo
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will halo lore receive it's rightful footing back

obsidian thistle
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I believe the existance of a lore community shows the lore never really strayed far.

abstract wren
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Its not the community that writes lore

grim echo
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yeah but after halo 5 the lore went down to the gutter, and in halo infinite it just left more questions unanswered

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for me at least

abstract wren
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It was more after Halo Wars 2, when the idea to drop anything from 343 was decided

grim echo
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I hope to see the continuation of the ending from halo wars 2

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because it feels like it was left out

abstract wren
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It was...

grim echo
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forget the "feel likes" on my msg

carmine sleet
boreal bane
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I thought that's what people liked about Halo, the mystery of certain things lol

grim echo
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can't argue with that

carmine sleet
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Like, I wanna know more about the Endless, and I am so glad we've not had more explained about them yet

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Sure some theories I've seen aren't great, but others are genuinely interesting

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But the fact people are asking "What are the Endless" isn't necessary a bad thing

ionic moth
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Guys i want to play halo wars 2 for lore and I was wondering if it was worth it?

obsidian thistle
obsidian thistle
boreal bane
ionic moth
obsidian thistle
ionic moth
dusk jetty
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Did the UNSC have a dedicated bomber class fighter? Space or atmospheric? Closest thing I can find on the archives is the killstreak medal.

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It seems like they would considering their prowess in ground fighting

carmine sleet
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Longswords are bombers

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Well, can be used as bombers

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Though I have to ask what archive you're looking at that when you look for UNSC bomber fighters, you end up looking at a killstreak medal

dusk jetty
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Halopedia mobile website. Don’t have my laptop with me currently.

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I was looking for a dedicated bomber class, like a Y wing or so

dusk jetty
unique rune
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The Longsword is a crazy enormous fighter-bomber thing but as far as dedicated bomber craft go, I think it's just the Shortsword for now.

empty bloom
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IIRC Broadswords have been used as fighter-bombers, weirdly enough.

dusk jetty
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They did blow a hole in that carrier for chief

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Or were those long swords

unique rune
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Longswords

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the Broadsword wasn't a thing until H4

dusk jetty
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So the fighter chief used against mantles approach was a broadsword?

unique rune
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Yeah

dusk jetty
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That makes sense

meager pier
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How many more campaigns do you think Chief will be the lead of the franchise?

versed helm
meager pier
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Where’s his frying pan?

carmine sleet
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Or his food truck

safe hawk
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Until the year 2552

meager pier
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@safe hawk Unless Steve has agreed to and signed a deal that allows AI to replicate his voice in future titles, I imagine Chief’s story comes to a close by the end of the decade, and I don’t see them recasting

carmine sleet
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I hope they never use AI to replicate anyone's voice for any Halo game

safe hawk
fair hazel
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i hope not

safe hawk
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I wanted Chief end to be the protector/mantle of the domain with cortana

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Him being the “cure” to Cortana’s madness

safe hawk
grand prairie
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How many elites in the swords of sanghelious would consider using Promethean weapons? I know that some in Jul's covenant used them but I am trying to figure out if they would consider it dishonorable and only a few would do that or would they not really care

carmine sleet
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I'd imagine any Elites from the Refuge wouldn't take issue with using Forerunner tech to fight

heavy bison
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If I want to read the halo books, in which order should i start

empty bloom
pallid knoll
unique rune
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Just do release order

obsidian thistle
unique rune
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Canon chronological order just really isn't a good way to experience
well

pretty much anything

obsidian thistle
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Dont do canon order. Once you realise some books happen over several years/decabes... you'll have problems.

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I dont recommend release order either... unless you want a great wall of books to get into.

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I recommend the series approach which 343i recently made 10x easier to get into

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If you want my recommendations.

  1. The Original Series = This serves as the foundation of all Halo fiction. Essentially gives you enough to understand majority of stuff.

  2. If you want to continue a narrative line after that. Kilo-5 Trilogy, The Master Chief & Blue Team, and The Ferrets are narratively significant!

  3. If you just want to read Halo Infinite stuff. Well the aptly named series Halo Infinite wont hurt. Its one book.

But ultimately you can start anywhere... I dont however recommend starting with the Forerunner Saga without having finished a series already. Tends to be a series you get into once you are invested in the books.

grand prairie
meager pier
safe hawk
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@obsidian thistle who was the person that was interrogating Halsey in halo 4

empty bloom
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TBH

empty bloom
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Because, well, it'd be super important to figure out what kind of person would be the best fit for emulating the II behaviors, and how to improve on their ability to perform without compromising the design goal of 'stop using kids for this, that's messed up'

safe hawk
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Just need a confirmation

meager pier
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I thought it was Bill Gates

versed helm
carmine sleet
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I don't think we need to know who exactly

obsidian thistle
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There has never been an answer

quiet shoal
heady geyser
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I always wonder how did oni get a copy of the spartan IIs brains because I thought you needed a copy of the subject brain for a flash clone

carmine sleet
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Wait? Are you talking about the brains found in Shadows of Reach? Because those were copies of Halsey's brain, not of any Spartan II

unique rune
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I think they’re talking about the original candidate flash clones from the S-II program

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In which case you don’t need a brain copy either. Really all you seem to need is viable subject DNA.

last anchor
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Which they presumably got alongside the screening process to find them in the first place

dusty ferry
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or they could, ya know, get fresh samples

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if they still have the body

warm pumice
#

Did the Forerunners build the Rings before or after finding humanity on Earth?

abstract wren
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After (Humans were not specificly on Earth)

carmine sleet
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Yeah, the Forerunners and Humanity had a war before the Forerunner-Flood War where they did build the Halo Array

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By the way, are we keeping Outcasts spoilers out of this channel still? I just finished reading it

abstract wren
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yes

carmine sleet
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Roger that

gilded mason
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I thought spoilers were fair game after one month elapses

boreal bane
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Outcasts launched late in the UK, so I'm giving it extra time

warm pumice
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I should have clarified that. 😅

shell rivet
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lol

unique rune
warm pumice
warm pumice
strong tundra
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Been reading through the Halo novels live on TikTok! If anyone’s curious and wants to tune in for lore discussions and live readings come check out Mad Props Armory on TikTok! We’re currently on Halo: First Strike. Stream schedule: Mon-Thu 9pm-10pm Eastern!!

fiery flower
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is there any reason why the infinity stopped housing more techy guns like the br85 and used less techy ones like the br75?

unique rune
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They're just using whatever resources they can scrounge up

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Infinity's forces probably would've had 55s, 75s, and 85s all in use side by side

fiery flower
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ah thanks bro

empty bloom
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They absolutely did.

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Rubicon Protocol explains the same unit using about three different versions of the same gun, for example.

stoic hamlet
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It’s literally just a gameplay thing.

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That’s it.

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There is no grand lore explanation.

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Like a lot of units on Reach, for example, probably had VK78’s in canon (well maybe not them, but you know)

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The SAW has appeared in 2526 when it doesn’t appear until 2557 in the games (H4) for example.

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But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or it was stopped being used then used again, etc.

empty bloom
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The worst thing about the Commando is that it lacks Bananamags.

stoic hamlet
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Nah I like the commando as is. CMA getting their own gear is great.

empty bloom
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But... Bananamags.

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Funni banana.

empty bloom
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... I'm suddenly mad about Aviator being renamed from Mongoose again, on that note.

stoic hamlet
empty bloom
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Well, generally speaking, the UNSC/Marine gear is Spartanized unless it's something like webbing.

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And the CMA shoulder plates are, well. Literally just random shoulders they found in some long-abandoned cache.

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That likely predate the HCW by a few decades.

stoic hamlet
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…which is true of a bunch of Rakshasa stuff.

empty bloom
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Which is why I said the 'suppose it's better than nothing', tbf.

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... Huh. I suddenly really want to see an oceanic/mako based GEN3 platform now.

stoic hamlet
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They’re even using older pouch riggings, like the M2497 kit.

empty bloom
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But they're not random things dug out of a cache, they are fully realized and upgraded MJOLNIR spec variations of contemporary equipment.

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The CMA shoulders I'm referring to are literally just dragged out of a random box of CMA era kit.

stoic hamlet
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As you said, if it works, I guess, lol

empty bloom
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Yeah, pretty much

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Thinking on it, a Spartan's not gonna have to rip off plates as readily if they ge tplasma scorched, so.

grim echo
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Are there any other species that the covenant hasn't recruited?

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(other than the flood ofc)

scarlet hinge
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the fringe are a collection of species' which are known to the Covenant and vaguely fall into its sphere of influence, though haven't been formally inducted into the empire's caste system like the Sangheili or Unggoy

warm pumice
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What do you think would have happened if the Covenant let humanity join their ranks? Do you think humanity would eventually catch on to the fact that the Halo rings would kill them all? I mean, Master Chief almost killed everyone until Cortana stepped in and stopped him.

orchid kettle
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I think there'd always be beef, since humans having the unique ability to interact with Forerunner tech like no other race would obviously be a threat to the Prophets' power

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remove that trait tho, and Id imagine humans would basically occupy a level similar to Jackals or Brutes, where they're above Grunts, but below Elites.

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The other thing about humans relative to the other species is that we're supposed to be generally better tacticians

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but of course, Im sure while some Elites would welcome the addition of human soldiers, the species as a whole would likely not appreciate the prospect of being usurped of their place as the main military arm of the Covenant

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I assume there's also the issue of just how many humans there are in the first place

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Brutes and Jackals were discovered before they ever left their own system, with Brutes having recently nuked themselves back to the stone age

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so I always figured that there's not that many Brutes

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but there's a ton of humans. Fans used to think there were as many as 34 billion if I recall, but that's not an official number.

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You absorb them, and suddenly you have a sizeable portion of your underclass that are smarter or at least, the tactical equals of your military caste, and have a unique affinity with the relics of your religion

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casting the San Shyuum's position as the religious leaders into doubt

magic stump
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This may be a bit random, but does the HW1 Manual have the D20 Heron in its units section? Debating if I should dig out my metal case for the manual if so.

warm pumice
# orchid kettle I think there'd always be beef, since humans having the unique ability to intera...

I've always kind of wondered how that worked. I mean, the Huragok are masters at building everything from scratch, the Sangheili almost overthrew the San'Shyuum, and the Jiralhanae are clearly stronger than every other group as far as brute strength goes...wouldn't the Covenant want humans into the Covenant? They're weak in size, compared to both the Brutes and Elites, so they're not the biggest threat, but humans could be treated like the Huragok, who are just masters at technology. Wouldn't the San'Shyuum want to use humans to find and use all Forerunner tech more quickly and efficiently? Everyone in the Covenant believes together that the Great Journey belongs to everyone...I was just wondering, through that little speech of mine. 😂

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I guess it just didn't make a whole lot of sense to me; jealoousy, envy, or a threat to their power. It was the Prophet of Truth who discovered humans, before he even had power, so I can't imagine him feeling like his power was threatened, and wasn't this before they even knew that humans could more efficiently use Forerunner tech?

warm pumice
magic stump
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I know where it is, but its just in storage

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I'll find it later this afternoon

magic stump
orchid kettle
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While humans may want pesky things like "rewards" or "rights"

orchid kettle
#

Truth was more so under the impression that humans were Forerunners. Ones left behind for one reason or another. And their existence actively went against the Great Journey's promise of all true believers ascending to godhood through the use of the Rings

warm pumice
warm pumice
warm pumice
unique rune
magic stump
# warm pumice I have a question...what is it, and does it contain valuable information?

It's basically just your average game manual for an RTS game. Manuals for RTS games tend to have a "units" section that describe the various buildable troops and sometimes even the commanding units. Many RTS manuals follow this pattern, including Supreme Commander, Supreme Commander FA, Supreme Commander 2, Halo Wars 1, and presumably Halo Wars 2. Can't confirm the last one as I own the digital copy, but I would assume it follows the pattern.

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tl;dr abridged lore book

warm pumice
warm pumice
empty bloom
scarlet hinge
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just at the bottom of the page

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oh wait nvm someone already got to it

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well, we have them for all of the manuals anyway

obsidian thistle
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(I may go out my way later and go language crazy and save all those copies.)

scarlet hinge
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none of the games from CEA-onward got manuals though, so there's nothing for HW2

obsidian thistle
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CEA was a sad end to Halo manuals

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The best time was 2004 and 2009 respectively.

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No offence to Halo 3. But its manual wasn't as cool as Halo 2s.

orchid kettle
#

I was always a big fan of ODST's manual myself

magic stump
warm pumice
obsidian thistle
# orchid kettle I was always a big fan of ODST's manual myself

Heres my favs
Halo 2s in sheer creativity (UNSC, Covenant, and a Multiplayer one)
Halo Wars for almost going all the way! (All it needed was a cool cover)
Halo: Reach and ODST are essentially in the same ballpark but "just" lack that extra oomph that Wars had.

Then its onto Halo CE and 3 which are out of universe manuals that essentially do the job of telling the reader stuff but dont immerse you into the universe.

And then... there is CEA which is essentially a thank you for buying this game letter.

magic stump
#

honestly it's a first to see someone that likes the 2 Halo Wars games as much as I do

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the soundtrack for it was by far my favorite out of any game

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Spirit Of Fire goes unfathomably hard

magic stump
empty bloom
#

I would've liked 2 enough to keep playing it if they added a Created faction tbh.

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I still think AtN was a misstep because it ultimately taught us very little about the Banished or Flood.

magic stump
#

I honestly think the one thing that 2 lacked was a Flood Leader

empty bloom
#

Eh.

magic stump
#

the flood mod for HW1 was the most popular

empty bloom
#

By default the flood kinda can't.

magic stump
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and they were later added in Awakening The Nightmare

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a gravemind hero or something per se would have been enjoyable

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high unit cap at the cost of not able to produce many -or any at all- high damage units

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would have to resort to infection forms and their variants to steal units for their army

orchid kettle
#

smirkle 👌

magic stump
#

was it maybe something to do with the banished?

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wait no they have banished jackals in infinite

orchid kettle
#

Yeah, and in a short lil "story" from waypoint

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where an Elite with a bandit rifle is being chased by Banished Jackals and a human

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If you care to try and come up for an in-universe reason for their absence-- maybe Let Volir is just racist

empty bloom
#

I still have to wonder, just what the hell was that human doing to join the Banished?

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Joining the Banished as a human is rare to begin with, but to have your highest station be part of a squad of Jackals?

orchid kettle
#

Its honestly not super clear what the advantage is of being a Banished human

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I could kinda see the benefit if you were like, a crew that did business with them on a regular basis

empty bloom
#

It's not like the Banished have a particular love of profit beyond physical resources and Covenant currency.

orchid kettle
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But I dunno why you'd want to try and be part of a Brute group

empty bloom
#

That Covenant currency being only valuable because it can be transacted for physical resources of course

orchid kettle
#

Though I guess in Halo, Jackals and sketchy humans get along great

empty bloom
#

Despite my hate of ex-Spartan Banished turncoats in fanfic, I've written up a Banished ODST or two.

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I figure it takes someone who's basically like Gaz with none of the good parts or xenophobia to join the Banished though

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Vas?

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Whatever his name was

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The one who left a bunch of elite kids to die

magic stump
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it suprised me that they even allowed Elites to join

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sent SUPER late

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apologies

empty bloom
#

Atriox himself doesn't really seem to care much about that.

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Atriox seems to care more about power for power's sake.

orchid kettle
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I haven't written any Banished humans myself yet, but Ive always been partial to the idea of Banished humans posing as prisoners and victims to lure in survivors on zeta halo

carmine sleet
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Yeah, Atriox doesn't really care what species someone is, if they provide value to the Banished, he'll allow them to join

empty bloom
orchid kettle
#

Give the characters even more reason to lose the will over time to help other people out on top of dwindling resources

empty bloom
#

One of the recent blogposts mentioned them purposely letting prisoners go free for the sport of it and to drive human survivors from their holes.

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Chief, for the love of the rings, why the hell did you apologize for that butcher Escharum, my god.

orchid kettle
carmine sleet
empty bloom
#

The more I talk about the garbage the Banished did on Zeta, the more disconcerting Chief's seeming forgiveness of Escharum gets.

carmine sleet
#

Well Chief likely hasn't seen much of what the Banished has done on Zeta by the time he does forgive Escharum

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Though hopefully he does find out what the Banished has done

empty bloom
#

I'd love to know his reaction to the Banished setting up methane gassing chambers.

carmine sleet
#

Oh worm, I guess that's something seen in Rubicon Protocol?

empty bloom
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If it's anything less then 'holy hell I should've blown that rhinobear's brains out before I listened to him' I will be perturbed.

empty bloom
#

Long story short, they put a bunch of seperated humans on purpose into a cage and just empty out so much methane in that container that they asphyxiate and die. The grunt doing it almost seemed bored.

carmine sleet
carmine sleet
empty bloom
#

It's pretty grisly.

orchid kettle
#

Im a fan of the Brutes hunting humans for sport. Lots of things can go wrong in that scenario

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smirkle 👌

orchid kettle
empty bloom
#

I'm a little surprised you never hear about more gruesome methods taken by human survivors to defend themselves.

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Brutes are a lot heavier than a person, so disease-damage causing punji traps shouldn't be that out of the question.

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But I guess an in depth presentation of why jungle warfare is a fate worse than the already worse-than-hell state of war would be a bit beyond the pale for Halo. Humanity seemingly tries to dignify the blood it spills in the stars, for what little it's worth to do so.

safe hawk
orchid kettle
#

What I wanna see more of is the idea of the Banished feuding with each other on the ring

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Which I guess we saw in Shadows of Reach, where the Brute clans are just openly warring with each other

carmine sleet
#

I can imagine Escherum dying will cause much more overt infighting on the ring

orchid kettle
#

Always annoyed me that Chief doesn't really take advantage of that beyond like

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"they're too busy fighting each other to notice us"

carmine sleet
#

Like, I can imagine Jega trying to claim he's in charge (As he is most likely not actually dead), only for some Brutes to claim they have the right to lead the Banished

empty bloom
#

According to the 2022 Encylopedia.

carmine sleet
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Ah, not read that far into that yet

empty bloom
#

Though the entire situation of the ring outside of the ringbreak expanse is very muddy.

carmine sleet
#

Like, immediately immediately?

empty bloom
#

Essentially coinciding with the end of the game, yeah.

orchid kettle
empty bloom
#

There is some going on in the background IIRC.

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It's mostly feuding over legitimacy and ranking, however.

carmine sleet
orchid kettle
#

One of these days, I wanna sit down and write a chapter where a weaker Brute offs a rival in the middle of a "foxhunt", and blames the killing on the human quarry

empty bloom
carmine sleet
#

Fair

empty bloom
#

You know, the criticism I allegedly don't have because I shill for 343i so hard, clearly.

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:>

orchid kettle
#

Honestly there's a lot of cool stories that are unfortunately left on the backburner because there's not a ton of room for a Spartan to plow through an army in it

carmine sleet
empty bloom
#

Was a joke.

carmine sleet
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I know

empty bloom
#

Swap it with a 'the' and it'll be on the nose.

stoic hamlet
#

We’ve definitely gotten a lot of great non-Spartan stories though.

empty bloom
#

I believe Benson's more refering to the games.

orchid kettle
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Nah even in the books, I feel like Spartans show up too often for their own good

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Though Im also the guy who likes the Halo High School books

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I used to rag on Rion Forge and Smoke and Shadow, but I dunno, Ive done a 180 and I just can't get enough of non UNSC stuff all together

stoic hamlet
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Honestly I’m more interested in pre Covenant war Insurrection era stuff.

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The pseudo Cold War brewing between the CMA and UNSC is far more compelling a concept than “and now Master Chief’s on another Halo Ring.”

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I stand by the idea that the post war should have gone on for another decade in universe though. Like, 2565 at the earliest for Created shenanigans.

orchid kettle
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I wish we had another collection of short stories so we could get a wide variety of writers, and hopefully more varied stories

stoic hamlet
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Same.

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I’ve started including little short stories in some of my Reddit posts, just to kind of explore that concept.

carmine sleet
#

I would love a Halo Legends 2

orchid kettle
#

Soren doesn't even shoot one gun in his entire tale

stoic hamlet
#

I’ll Fistful of Arrows this stuff even if it kills me, lol.

orchid kettle
#

and his story is the first in Evolutions

empty bloom
#

Soren just died when Reach was glassed.

stoic hamlet
#

Non Spartan stories, Dirt is another standout.

orchid kettle
#

Big fan of Mona Lisa on re-read

empty bloom
#

"what's goin on over dere" - Soren, moments before getting turned to charcoal and glass

stoic hamlet
#

“O noh!”

~ Soren, right before he jumps into the cave with Noble Six.

orchid kettle
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And god knows Zeta Halo needs more tales like Stomping On The Heels Of A Fuss

empty bloom
orchid kettle
#

let Brutes eat people, 343

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don't just throw in a tiny hint at it in Infinite

empty bloom
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They tried to in Rubicon Protocol

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They actually successfully killed their would-be food too

orchid kettle
stoic hamlet
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I’ll be entirely honest;

I just don’t like Zeta.

Or the Ark.

Like, I just think they’re both a waste.

They’re such a weird situation because they’re just…out there.

We have a galaxy to explore, but instead everyone is lost and isolated. And I hate it.

orchid kettle
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all I could think was

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"Hey, why are you wasting all that food??"

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orchid kettle
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I honestly like Zeta a lot

empty bloom
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It was a smorgasbord of Marines, Sailors, and ODSTs that Spartan Stone saw and said "It's Stone'ing time" and Stoned all over those brutes

orchid kettle
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Mainly for the situation of being human survivors in a Brute occupied area

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Taking Heels of a Fuss and expanding it sounds real neat

stoic hamlet
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But we don’t need that to be Zeta though, is my point.

Like it could be any number of colonies and etc.

Though I think this is also the issue with Slipspace and travel times. They’re too fast and too inconsistent/convenient for everyone.

There’s no sense of tension or scale.

empty bloom
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ODSTs problably taste like preworkout and protein powder.

stoic hamlet
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So they have to completely isolate everyone.

empty bloom
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And a smidge of desperation.

orchid kettle
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Like I said, you could have elements like Banished humans posing as survivors ready to repay your kindness with a knife in the back, Brutes warring with each other in subtle and very not subtle ways

empty bloom
orchid kettle
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and it kinda made me sad that Rubicon didn't go that into like, problems with securing food or anything like that

empty bloom
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I suppose it kinda didn't have time to.

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The story for MP getting axed I'm especially salty about.

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Because I was vastly more invested in that than whatever the hell jolly green generic's up to.

orchid kettle
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Unfortunately the want to present humanity as wholly good no matter what kinda limits the story telling opportunities

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since you cant have stuff like people getting into fights about who deserves to not starve

empty bloom
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Please ignore the second most morally ambiguous member of Noble Team showing up everywhere

stoic hamlet
orchid kettle
empty bloom
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Mmmn, fair enough.

orchid kettle
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They're real big on humans being in a tough spot, sure, but don't worry, they'll always have hope

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They'll always do the best they can, and give up their lives for the greater good if need be

empty bloom
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Well, yeah, Chief's there. He brings hope with him.

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Even when he's floating a few miles away, dead as a doornail for all intents and purposes.

stoic hamlet
empty bloom
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Chief, obviously, is a god of hope and luck. And even the dreams of a dead god have a significant impact on the real world.

orchid kettle
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I love characters who can stick to their principles no matter what

empty bloom
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Rekt

orchid kettle
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I just want them to have tension with others in their own group who aren't as much of a boy scout

ripe sage
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@stoic hamlet fixed

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will look into it 🙂

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just don't say it again atm

stoic hamlet
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Apologies, didn’t know that was a banned word, lol

ripe sage
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i'm sure you can see why lol

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i'm trying to keep people from using it in names

stoic hamlet
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Yeah no definitely!

ripe sage
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will adjust accordingly 🙂

stoic hamlet
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It just didn’t cross my mind until I realized I was muted, lol

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No harm done!

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Apologies if I flagged you guys, heh.

ripe sage
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i literally was in the logs and saw it pop up

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you should be good

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can you say it again real fast?

stoic hamlet
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not gonna type out my whole message, but just to test:

trump

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Ayyyy, it works! Yey.

ripe sage
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thank you!

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sorry about that

stoic hamlet
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No no, you’re all good. I wasn’t sure what had caused it at first.

empty bloom
stoic hamlet
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Was very confused for a moment.

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…happy to help, I guess, lmao

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anyways

empty bloom
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On a random note, I find it really interesting that Chimera's the first even partially canon core to put tank-style smoke dispersal systems on MJOLNIR-parity gear.

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You'd think someone would've done that years ago.

stoic hamlet
orchid kettle
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Not good

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But its kinda weird when you rescue the Marines who have probably witnessed and experienced unspeakable horrors for six months

stoic hamlet
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Or, what did you mean by tank style armour? @empty bloom

orchid kettle
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on top of already having to deal with Cortana for a year

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and they're just goofy and light hearted

stoic hamlet
orchid kettle
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obviously because the game itself doesn't wanna be that much of a downer

stoic hamlet
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Though that’s always been an issue with Halo’s in-game dialogue.

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orchid kettle
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but I dunno, I kinda wanted Rubicon to show more of the normal person's struggle

stoic hamlet
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Look at the dialogue in CE/2, and etc.

orchid kettle
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I mean yeah, the marines take it in stride because that's just the tone the game is going for

stoic hamlet
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# empty bloom

Chimera uses Shroudshot Augmentors, which seem to fulfill a similar purpose with added chaff and EM countermeasures, like a miniaturized version of Battletech's Screen Launchers.

orchid kettle
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I just think its weird in Infinite when you do have a main character who's very much not taking things well

stoic hamlet
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The marines overall feel very disjointed though, tbh.

Which makes sense considering their sort of late inclusion.

orchid kettle
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Yeah. Pretty funny how the marines are all perfectly shaved after months

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my head canon is that the Brutes are shearing them to get them ready for the meat processing

stoic hamlet
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It feels really odd where Fernando is freaking out about being left alone but has essentially complete air superiority and marines all over the place.

Go land at an FOB, pick up a squad, have them guard you. Or… you know, have them insert with Chief during missions.

empty bloom
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That's likely an intentional disconnect.

stoic hamlet
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Yeah, but it’s still notable.

empty bloom
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In the time frame the campaign takes place in, it's unreasonable to assume Chief even told the Marines to go anywhere.

stoic hamlet
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And part of why Infinite’s open world feels so disconnected from the story and meaningless. It has no effect on anything and vice versa.

empty bloom
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Like, where could they go? FOBs are weird because it's unreasonable to assume the Banished would just, y'know, forget that there was an FOB there.

empty bloom
orchid kettle
stoic hamlet
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Still deciding on December’s topic, though.

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October is going to focus on the various Nuclear and chemical weapons humanity employs.

November on the CAA/CMA.

empty bloom
stoic hamlet
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Like the protocol? Or the usage of weapons?

empty bloom
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One sec, I'll DM you.

stoic hamlet
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👍

empty bloom
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I was told not to get into it here, but it was... An ordeal.

stoic hamlet
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Just DM. No need to clog the channel with drama.

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unique rune
orchid kettle
empty bloom
orchid kettle
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Since Id imagine you cant just plug in something as complex as a slipspace drive and expect it to accept alien math

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though I guess questioning stuff like that also begs the question of why Cortana's data chip fits into any slot Chief can find, regardless of origin.

empty bloom
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Metamorphic interface system.

orchid kettle
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i fear that the answer may be "muh geas"

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the librarian influenced humanity to make USB drives because that's what Forerunners used

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chiefsmirkle 👌

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and since Covvie tech is reverse-engineered, generic brand Forerunner tech

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it all works out

empty bloom
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Except the Covenant interface systems were literally required to make half the Infinity function without LNOS'ing itself to bejeezus and back.

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Because some of its interface systems are daisy chained Forerunner - > Covenant - > UNSC.

orchid kettle
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Im just saying-- I think at some point we're not supposed to think that hard about these things

empty bloom
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Ah

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Yeah, it's kind of a sci fi thing.

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Though I think the 'jumping' she does sometimes is supposed to imply it's also wireless... Somehow.

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Which... Okay, sure, Forerunners have guest wi-fi for everything, I suppose.

orchid kettle
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smartlink is just 26th century bluetooth

unique rune
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Cortana knows all of the WiFi passwords

orchid kettle
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it makes me wonder if an AI can subvert GEN3's anti-AI hackery by just accessing the spartan's smartlink stuff

stoic hamlet
orchid kettle
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Make them see things that arent there when they try to access the smartlink scope camera thing

empty bloom
stoic hamlet
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Though it’s been a bit since I’ve read Cole Protocol so I can’t say for certain.

stoic hamlet
orchid kettle
empty bloom
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I'm not saying I'm one of the people who think that.

orchid kettle
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but I assume the OS of the ship is still

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Covenant Windows

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or Covenant Linux, whatever

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But you know, its a pirated copy

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so they have to deal with the "ACTIVATE WINDOWS" watermark in the corner at all times

empty bloom
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I would imagine it's largely a moot point-with the Prophets likely forcing their own Prophet OS onto client races.

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It's an important info control to have.

orchid kettle
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What would be the potential issue with trying to finesse a Covenant FTL drive and retrofit it to a human ship

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Lack of power to charge the capacitors?

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Or can you just wait a real long time

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Because I wonder if the inferior human equations would still work

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the drive would just suck

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and you wouldn't really be reaping the benefits of using s drive capable of far greater precision, because your nav computer is a toaster compared to what the Covenant have

empty bloom
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I mean, Cortana figured it out, didn't she?

orchid kettle
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Yeah but Cortana was on the Covenant ship

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the Gettysburg was just attached for its working reactors

glacial urchin
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Imagine if covenant ships had Wi-Fi

orchid kettle
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so it was just a battery

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but Im talking slapping that Covenant drive onto a ship of human origin. Even if you could somehow make the nav computer communicate with it

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Just download the latest driver

empty bloom
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Unless that jump blew every single power system the Gettysburg had, which... I don't think it did?

orchid kettle
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No, they use the Gettysburg later by itself I think

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so they don't spook the rebels by approaching in a covenant ship I think

scarlet hinge
versed helm
orchid kettle
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Don't mind if I do smirkle 👌

fair hazel
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It's a great deal, I did share it a few times

static trench
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Aye nice

carmine sleet
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So question! Was there ever a specific armour colour for Ossoonas when they were on mission?

unique rune
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Doesn’t look like it’s ever been specified. Probably unsurprising given the only time any ever appeared for over a decade was in The Flood.

carmine sleet
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Fair

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Maybe a better question to ask is what do people here think their armour colours should be?

unique rune
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I imagine it’s probably not very specific since it’s only intended to be a temporary assignment. Little bit weird that they have a unique harness but I digress.

Personally I would think it’s the same as the various Stealth Sangheili you see throughout the games. So maybe the sorta bright metallic blue from CE or the brown variety in H2.

carmine sleet
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Fair

empty bloom
orchid kettle
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I always imagined purple myself when I read it

native coral
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grand prairie
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Does anyone know what covenant weapons the Innies are buying post war? I would assume plasma rifles, pistols, and maybe swords for the beserkers but I was curious if there was anything offical on it.

empty bloom
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You mean mall ninjas, right?

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Serious answer, anything they can get their hands on and is actually reloadable. This means Covenant Carbines, Needle Rifles, Plasma Casters, etc etc

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Last I checked, humanity as a whole doesn't have a way to really recharge plasma weaponry.

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Even if the UNSC can, at least, last I checked.

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The Human republic of Gao does also produce its own plasma cannon.

stoic hamlet
grand prairie
# empty bloom 'Berserkers'?

I thought I remembered hearing about innies that would use a ton of steroids and try (and usualy fail) to kill a spartan. Wouldn't they be able to recharge if they stole/bought one fo the covenant batterys?

grand prairie
stoic hamlet
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Because that’s not really a “class” it was a sort of failed Hail Mary situation that never panned out.

empty bloom
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I somehow doubt that rumbledrug 'berserkers' were made specifically to counteract Spartans unless they unleashed enough Spartan III sorties for it to be a common issue.

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Or were that common.

grand prairie
empty bloom
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I would wager that ones sold post war are likely explained to the would-be buyer, but those would be the postwar production runs made by independent workshops.

grand prairie
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Makes sense

empty bloom
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As for the sword... Iffy. Human doctrine and general common sense dictate that you should not go into melee combat with people who could bench press an Apache helicopter even with a sword.

grand prairie
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True

last anchor
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Also the energy sword takes training to use right

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Its not just "swish swish stab", its a superheated sheath of plasma. A single wrong move will quite easily slice a limb off.

empty bloom
grand prairie
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True

dusty ferry
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(As in, thing I can annoy my friends with)

empty bloom
dusty ferry
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a covenant one, or actually made by Gao?

empty bloom
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Apparently, it didn't specify and all mentions I recall to the specific make have up and decided to dissappear.

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I'm actually very annoyed at this because I could've swore there was a full page for it.

dusty ferry
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this seems like something which should have a wiki page at least

empty bloom
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Right?

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Maybe someone added some fandom lore for it and it got caught or something.

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But yeah, Gao does at the very least have the ability to source the guts of plasma turrets for their equivelant of a coast guard.

dusty ferry
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I mean, Gao only really needs a coast guard though

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so thats like the total military spending for them beyond groundside stuff

empty bloom
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Yeah.

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Still, I'll look more later.

dusty ferry
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The citations suggest the book last light, which i think had blue team in it

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so thats just more reason to go find the Onyx books i guess

orchid kettle
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I dont wanna speculate why, but I have noticed a decrease in articles about very minute, inconsequential items

empty bloom
stoic hamlet
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It’s not clear if the corvettes are using human derived plasma Or Covenant weapons.

We do know they’re “lightly shielded” but as noted by Arlo himself, a single UNSC destroyer could wipe out all twenty plus Venezia’s ships in-system.

empty bloom
dusty ferry
carmine sleet
dusty ferry
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Base

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And it doesn’t even cover the whole ship, it’s like three are placed in random positions

obsidian thistle
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(Plus we on the team are only human.)

obsidian thistle
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(We do however make pages on stuff if something is "unique" or notable enough.)

distant socket
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I read somewhere that apparently the librarian planned to send a ship with precursors or some seed thing of them to somewhere outside the galaxy without prior knowledge so that they can exist, is this true? And if so does that mean the precursors are not exactly extinct

abstract wren
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The Precursors are no extinct indeed.

quiet shoal
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Is there any background information on the ODST found in Cortana?

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I encountered him yesterday while playing and though it was a cool detail

orchid kettle
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best I can figure honestly is that he was from the In Amber Clad (Halo 2), and was taken prisoner in High Charity like the other marines you can find

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and he managed to die in the walls before ever being infected

quiet shoal
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But he had a flamethrower

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I don’t think a prisoner would have a flamethrower

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Not to mention in full ODST combat uniform

empty bloom
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You're overthinking it, I'd say.

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They probs just wanted an excuse to give you a flamethrower refill.

orchid kettle
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So it's not unreasonable to think that there's just human weapons laying around, including a flamethrower

quiet shoal
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Oh

stoic hamlet
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There’s also the fact that there are waaay to many human combat forms in H2/3, it’s just gameplay.

orchid kettle
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I dunno, it seems reasonable when you remember that the In Amber Clad would have had 500+ people aboard

stoic hamlet
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But only 200 marines. There’s far more encountered, from memory.

orchid kettle
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Yeah, but I dunno, Im willing to handwave that part as just them not bothering to make a navy crewman flood model

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Or an infected odst for that matter, which I don't think exists in 3 either

empty bloom
unique rune
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Do it

dusty ferry
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which presumably they would have been allowed to do by the prophets

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now why there are so many marines specifically?

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i'd wager they are better prey then civilians

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That's all stuff i made up, but i think it vaguely fits

shy jay
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john halo

obsidian thistle
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Thats the very simple answer

carmine sleet
empty bloom
carmine sleet
stoic hamlet
copper jackal
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Will The spirit of fire appear in The next halo?

carmine sleet
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We do not know

unique rune
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boy I sure hope it doesn’t

carmine sleet
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If the next game takes us to the Ark for reasons that make sense, I would expect to see it, but I don't think we'll be seeing what's happening there any time soon

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Like, I don't want it to begin with "And suddenly Zeta Halo was orbiting the Ark"

unique rune
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Somehow, Truth has returned

empty bloom