#hcs-chat

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dull tiger
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Production was fun today

tiny sparrow
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Jen (cortana) said she's rooting for Optic to win.

covert wind
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Can we be honest, its gonna be Optic vs Faze for grand finals again

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I can just feel it

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anyone else getting the deep fried gameplay?

twin iris
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I really liked the community stage so much

upbeat verge
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Halo

somber swift
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@minor badge heyo!

random compass
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stream over? or

somber swift
random compass
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I've got like 20 mins left on my drops

noble field
silent venture
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Got the autographs under the wire lmao

analog pumice
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vbh ujkmn

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}|['srthtsrgxfyjtdyksdyrxk

upbeat verge
analog pumice
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just felt like banging my head into my keyboard

torpid beacon
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i’ve been at the event and been too busy to actually watch the main event lol

gloomy grotto
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Same I was there just to see Jen Taylor and Steve Downes

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Is anyone else going tomorrow?

silent venture
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Yea

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Showmatches baby

craggy burrow
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Oh yeah. We got stuff from the new season too

somber swift
viscid yarrow
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Lol

silent venture
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I gotchu tomorrow

viscid yarrow
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How dare you forget >:/

gloomy grotto
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Are Cortana and Master Chief going to be there again tomorrow? I don't see them on the schedule 😭

somber swift
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Tomorrow's schedule

upbeat verge
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I love halo 5 mp

somber swift
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Same

silent venture
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the damn autographs took the full 90 minutes for me

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that had me MOVIN the entire time and i had other things to attend to as well cause im doing media so i want good pics where i can find em

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taht and like i keep forgetting who signed already lmao

somber swift
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That line was something else

silent venture
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if anything @somber swift just go up to me, grab me by the shoulder, and forcefully shak eme down to sign the book

silent venture
quiet prairie
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Its sad. And i'm tired XD

silent venture
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ok yeah some of these photos go hard

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i am deliberately screwing up these crops btw ik what im doin its parrtly so nobody steals raw images, and so ik that these are "unprocessed"

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trust me itll save me headaches later but i REALLY wanna share what i got so far

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sorry if im clogging up chat some other mod can yell at me for that i just wanna get em out as i make em

thorn marlin
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Nice photos I hope you had a blast.

silent venture
silent venture
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and i took like 700 so far LUL

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we got champ sunday still lmao

thorn marlin
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Maybe I'll come back in a. Hour haha

silent venture
silent venture
thorn marlin
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I'd like em to drop this round Robin malarkey and just do groups on a Saturday and quarter semis finals on a sunday. That way they could highlight and fully stream FFA on mainstage Friday. Or any other playlist.

silent venture
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that turns into a bit of a spacing issue and lets be real most people are here for their fave team not some rando dudes in a h5 2v2 or ffa tourney

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anyways

thorn marlin
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That's only down to marketing and keeping the same players in the spotlight. They could easily makes stars out of randoms if they wanted too.

silent venture
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i am especially proud of this shot of Keith

arctic quiver
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Awesome !!

silent venture
arctic quiver
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Can't wait to see them all :)

thorn marlin
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Not that I would air brush jen out of any picture but this one would be cool if you did.

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Oh that didn't reply to the photo... the one with her behind the sword. 🤦

somber swift
sharp vault
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Hello, not sure where to post this. I have watched the streaming and got all the skins except for the Smellbringer Yoroi. How can I contact 343 for this small issue? Thanks!

supple kettleBOT
arctic quiver
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Check all the info noted there

sharp vault
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Thank you kind people

upbeat verge
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I like Halo 5

sharp vault
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I played Halo 5 for over 4 years, it was def fun and well responsive (yet too sweaty)

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I was this close to get the last level ç_ç

somber bay
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Sr 152 was a real grind in Halo 5

umbral mason
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So we still have no idea what the deal with Mark V is huh?

noble field
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It was great. VIP was much improved. Thank you!

noble field
bronze shore
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What time does the stream go live today?

arctic quiver
bronze shore
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Ty stckr!

still socket
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Stckr SSG is going down like a sweet muffin

somber swift
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We'll see!
Optic has been really strong but so has SSG

still socket
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SSG can’t contain Lucid after what he did last night vs FaZe

somber swift
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I'm excited to find out!

ornate crescent
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Hey folks! Reminder on receiving Drops!:

Had a few people reach out and say they didn't get certain drops for watching.

I did some checks and found that they all ended up having what they were supposed to get.
Before going to Halo Support, double check that you've

  • Clicked the 'Claim Drop' button on Twitch.
  • Know what core the item was supposed to show up on
  • Know the name of the coating you're looking for
  • Confirm that you actually finished the drop progress.

All else fails, definitely go to Halo Support.

Enjoy the show today!

storm osprey
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For giveaways, it says to have your current gamer tag linked to your account, how would that work if you have two linked?

still socket
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If you could build your dream HCS team who would you pick for me Lucid, Formal, Renegade and stellur

shy matrix
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What time does the event start today?

still socket
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3pm est

shy matrix
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Cool

still socket
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And finals start at 9pm est

tough ore
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My drops didn’t progress last night

arctic quiver
storm osprey
arctic quiver
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If your tag comes up, I'll add that one then :)

storm osprey
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Thanks!

silent venture
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Wait what giveaways?

astral linden
silent venture
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I see

tall mural
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Unpopular opinion

noble field
last panther
still socket
tall mural
viscid yarrow
quiet prairie
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no very effective to put Lqgend with the other but maybe it could work at 50%

noble field
viscid yarrow
noble field
last panther
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Does anyone know if the s5 play area has controllers?

last panther
arctic quiver
bronze shore
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So are the drops not working?

lilac summit
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Nick dressed as cortana XD

silent venture
bronze shore
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@arctic quiver do you know if theres a issue right now with drops not working in the stream?

arctic quiver
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Drops are progressing for me

muted bay
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Am at 11%

flat pasture
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did they already show off firefight?

muted bay
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They showed a small bit earlier in the stream

bronze shore
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Not progressing for me...

flat pasture
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dang I missed it

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anyone got a recording of the firefight clip?

bronze shore
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Welp i guess I can't get the drops seems it glitched me GG

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everything is connected on waypoint

arctic quiver
flat pasture
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was it wokring yesterday for you?

bronze shore
tame sandal
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Weeeeee

bronze shore
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Kinda annoyed here missed the first hour towards it and need a total of six... GG 343/twitch

muted bay
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Yeah just 3

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They all progress at the same pace

bronze shore
wicked arch
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Hello! Can someone explain to me what the grand finals reset is? This is my first time closely watching the championship and am unfamiliar with the bracket system. Thanks!

bronze shore
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total of 6

flat pasture
muted bay
bronze shore
somber swift
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Team 2 gets into Grand finals by having won the "losers finals" meaning they have lost 1 series during the bracket at some point (which is why they were in the loser finals)

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Since it is a double elimination tournament, the team 1 had an 'advantage' in that if they won the grand finals that's it- they win

bronze shore
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lets see if I reset my computer and see if it works

somber swift
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Team 2, if they win the grand finals, it means both teams have now lost 1 series.
So the grand finals gets "reset" and it's winner takes all on the reset

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@wicked arch does that help?

wicked arch
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@somber swift that's incredible thank you so much for the explanation! Yup I totally understand now that's really cool how they do that. Makes it pretty fair in the end as far as win loss ratio. Am I understanding that right?

somber swift
bronze shore
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Welp resetting my computer did fix it I guess I get no drops GG

arctic quiver
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Try contacting Twitch support

bronze shore
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there off for the weekend

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there only monday throguh friday

astral linden
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whos commentating

craggy burrow
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Is the charm for finals the same as last year I assume?

tiny sparrow
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SEN 😦

wise ice
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Yeah I just watched the sen and faze match and it was horrible

craggy burrow
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Faze needs to chill for once

severe mantle
wise ice
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After watching sens for a while throughout championship series, they need a new roster cause choking 3 games is unacceptable

muted bay
wise ice
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Knowing it's likely optic I just stop watching the stream.

quiet prairie
craggy burrow
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I feel like they win way too much.
I know it's comp and that's the name of the game but the fair play side of me wants to see someone else do well

muted bay
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I expect these games to be sweaty as heck haha not sure how much the grand prize is but yeah gotta be playing their best

craggy burrow
muted bay
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Yeah, thats a crazy amount (split between the teammates but still)

tame sandal
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If you're at the event, come find me for free candy!

arctic quiver
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Lol

proper basin
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It would be these three.

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I hope we see the first reset victory 🔥

quiet prairie
quiet prairie
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Just thought that i think we got no listen in from Quadrant....

bronze shore
still socket
queen thorn
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Does anyone know how long the wc will be live? theyre on the top 2 teams now

still socket
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We still have elimination finals then grand finals

worn whale
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Hey guys question, what size monitor does HCS play on?

arctic quiver
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Zowie XL2540K has been the official monitor for a while, believe that's still the case for finals

still socket
tiny sparrow
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👀

blissful radish
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Good god

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That game itself can count as an entire highlight reel

still socket
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Optic want that reverse sweep

austere thunder
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that was the best koth match I think I've ever seen

still socket
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Optic got the reverse sweep

blissful radish
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i literally went to take a dump 30 seconds into the slayer game and i come back to see optic cleared it lmfao

tiny sparrow
blissful radish
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legendary tier

viscid yarrow
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GREEN WALL BABY

kind radish
craggy burrow
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This, basically.

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That and a few years back Faze had branded Hot Pockets and for some reason I never liked that so.
No, you dont get to win, you take that silly tie in microwave snack and go sit in the corner, like a good gaming team XD

silent venture
somber swift
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Nice!!!

quiet prairie
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The big boss ❤️

quiet prairie
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(and its more international too)

tame sandal
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Seriously? 😂😂

craggy burrow
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Hes been there for the last couple days.

quiet prairie
echo peak
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hi

still socket
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OMFG that was insane

runic bridge
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so rn it's ssg and faze fighting for finals against optic right

tame sandal
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Correct

noble field
somber swift
zenith adder
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So how much time is left on the stream?

silent venture
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Couple hours

grizzled talon
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Is there a contact email for the 343 Community team?

summer grove
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Hey where do people upload their clips for that community clips segment? I've got some nasty clips myself

zenith adder
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Hopefully i can make it to the twitch drop

craggy bridge
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Smellbringer coating still doesn't unlock on Yoroi

tame sandal
tame sandal
summer grove
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Thats a shame I have a lot of cool clips from season 4

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are the forms on discord or somewhere else?

tiny sparrow
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always wonder how they aim so well when they're also strafing so hard.

somber swift
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I wonder if the grand finals drops will start tracking early

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Otherwise we better all hope for a reset

tiny sparrow
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drops aren't on yet

grizzled talon
sharp quest
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In an hour?

tiny sparrow
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they turn on at 8 cst, but the finals are starting earlier

sharp quest
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Its almost 4am here but these rewards r worh it lol

tiny sparrow
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they're working now

tame sandal
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What is game #5 going to be?

blissful radish
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holy

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That was such a long game 1

minor plank
blissful radish
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reverse yoyoing

ornate rock
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Hey all how's championship going?

arctic quiver
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Oh my god

blissful radish
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HOLY

minor plank
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that was a nuts game

arctic quiver
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That was WILD

minor plank
blissful radish
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Lucid was MVP for that entire game

tiny sparrow
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feel like it's gonna be 4-0

still socket
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Nobody can contain lucid

blissful radish
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NO WAY PHIL

tame sandal
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Oh good, no more oddball

arctic quiver
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Can we talk about how sharp Bravo is looking in those threads?

blissful radish
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Bravo was very snazzy, he busted out the good suit

summer grove
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why did stellur get voted mvp instead of lucid

tiny sparrow
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Merty, start a fight forever chant. lol wonder how many people would get it.

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woo, drops done

minor plank
tiny sparrow
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they need this win for their morale at least

minor plank
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yea that true

hardy bay
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got the drop early, but i've yet to see the loyal opposition coating in my inventory, what gives?

arctic quiver
supple kettleBOT
hardy bay
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everything else seems to be in my inventory, just not the loyal opposition

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

arctic quiver
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Read through the support page, there's troubleshooting and additional info there

halcyon yoke
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same here, might just need to wait a bit

minor plank
hardy bay
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o

minor plank
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ye then restart game

deep yew
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Uuu I can't see my twich drops ingame

minor plank
deep yew
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I did

supple kettleBOT
deep yew
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Well I claimed from twitch's site

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I did claimed all the drops but some showed up and some didn't like Loyal opposition

arctic quiver
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Read through the support page, there's troubleshooting and additional info there

rigid pivot
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Looks like the rewards are bugged. 343 will fix it at some point soon hopefully.

hardy rain
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I got everything except smellbringer for mark 7 and yoroi

blissful radish
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just reload your game

tiny sparrow
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was that a ghost melee with Formal?

blissful radish
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oh

tame sandal
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Why is there always a crash with FaZe WAAAAA

covert wind
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bruh

blissful radish
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FaZe had that win lmao

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what happened?

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ah optic forfeited

umbral mason
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that backsmack was dirty

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absolutely shameful that it still happens in game 2 years after launch

covert wind
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I mean, would've been possible for Optic to win that?

karmic linden
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Sucks but in all likelihood wouldn't have effected the outcome

sacred lance
umbral mason
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idc who would've won the game (I hate HCS) I'm just pissed that it's been 2 years and we still have ghost melees

jaunty quest
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what’s w the connection problems though

sacred lance
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The guy fell behind a box right when he lunged

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Bad timing

umbral mason
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there literally was a backsmack + audio

halcyon yoke
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loyal opposition unlocked for me ingame just now so for those with it bugged try again when you get the chance

umbral mason
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blood smacked the back of his head

karmic linden
umbral mason
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like it even lunged him forward to connect

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which shocked me

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because melee lunge never works when I play

tame sandal
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The probabilities are low but never zero.

sacred lance
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Melee feels very awkward/unreliable in this game

umbral mason
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and they refuse to fix it

cloud coral
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Cosmic Nexus, Loyal Opposition & Smellbringer for the Mark 7 didn't unlocked for me. And yes I've reported to HALO support about the issue.

strong tinsel
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The last WC Mark 7 drops are not showing up in game? Anyone else have access.

arctic quiver
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For assistance with Twitch Drops

Please see this post from Div: #hcs-chat message
Also please read through the full troubleshooting guide on the Halo Support site - follow the steps, even if you think you have already tried it
https://aka.ms/DropsHelp

cloud coral
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And Smellbringer Coating for the Yorai is still locked.

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I don't know if I'm the only one with this Twitch Drop issue or not.

azure verge
vale heath
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does anyone have that ghost melee clip?

cloud coral
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I'm just missing 4 Coatings from the Twitch Drops that I claimed.

hardy bay
cloud coral
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I'll give it a try, even though I don't know how to do it.

hardy bay
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if it says unclaimed or whatever try to claim it

cloud coral
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And I'm a bit tired so apologies if I type things wrong or read things wrong.

hardy bay
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it's no problem at all dude

blissful radish
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whoa, optic is fumbling hard

hardy bay
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they are? i dropped out after i got my drops early

arctic quiver
hardy bay
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(also i lost all my twitch points in the last gamble :^) )

sacred lance
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I support faze

blissful radish
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Thats it, Faze takes it

sacred lance
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Bad guys have to win every now and then

vale heath
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why are Faze the bad guys again?

tiny sparrow
blissful radish
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im shocked faze managers can pay them rn lmao

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after all that crypto stuff a while back

vale heath
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Management can always do wizard stuff

cloud coral
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So just unlink & relink my account of Twitch & HALO?

sacred lance
blissful radish
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anyways im gonna go to bed, these last few matchups have been insane and ive given all my energy lmao

torpid beacon
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Anyone else not getting the loyal opposition coating after claiming it?

cloud coral
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I didn't yet.

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Twitch Drops are bugged out for me.

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I've reported the issue on HALO support & doing the troubleshooting right now.

karmic linden
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Never seen so many people cry over drops lmao

rigid pivot
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You haven’t watched a Twitch drop livestream before then 🤣

noble field
vale heath
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I wish i spoke emoji

karmic linden
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Like people have no patience just wait lmao

strong tinsel
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I claimed them on the waypoint link. Still not showing in game, I did full game exit and console reset.

minor plank
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i got mine just gotta wait a bit guys probably being overloaded with people getting the drops

summer grove
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90% of twitch chatter whining about drops will probably never even equip the coatings anyway

karmic linden
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Doing gods work stckr

tiny sparrow
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it's just about having it

karmic linden
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fomo wierdos

strong tinsel
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I'm been using the drops for a few days. It's all good.

vale heath
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which drops are borked again?

craggy burrow
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IDK, I got em all for going to it live so.
Speaking of, theres only the trophy one from last year yeah? Theres no HCS Worlds 2023 charm this time round?

sacred lance
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343 bruh

covert wind
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AGAIN

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343 please

sacred lance
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Infinite is made out of glue and duck tape

covert wind
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Isn't that basically every halo game?

atomic briar
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Anyone else’s drops not all showing up immediately?

atomic briar
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Is it gonna tell me to claim them?

vale heath
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yeah, i just got on to check, and i'm missing smellbringer eaglestrike and mirage IIC, but i think its just a waiting game thing based on the troubleshooting

covert wind
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THE CLUTCH

arctic quiver
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SHEESH

covert wind
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I thought Faze had it

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last kill situation

arctic quiver
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Whoooaaaaa

covert wind
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I will give guts to Optic to try and do a push

somber swift
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This is unbelievable

manic prawn
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I checked in to the finals after the reset, so I genuinely dunno, why'd they do it?

languid tiger
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This has been a great series to watch so far

summer grove
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I hope optic takes it to a game 7

languid tiger
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It's going to be a close game here, optic should take it though 200 to 158

torpid beacon
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drop apg

languid tiger
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why

torpid beacon
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kuhlect or suppressed would be better than apg on optic

languid tiger
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they've been winning not sure why everyone blames apg when they lose it's a team game

covert wind
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so weird to remember that the Assault Rifle is actually viable in a halo game

craggy bridge
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Damn, OpTic is doing it bad

summer grove
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genuinely who would optic replace then if they drop apg?

languid tiger
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@craggy bridge I would contest to restart all the pcs on stage lol

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or at least switch sides

torpid beacon
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apg getting old anyway, they should find another long term piece

summer grove
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nah they both wouldn't fill the role apg does

torpid beacon
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what does apg do? he goes neg every game.

summer grove
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he's the obj player which is why he is neg

torpid beacon
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trippy and formal can do that. lucid and kuhlect/suppressed/tapping buttons can slay out

arctic quiver
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Going negative doesn't always mean bad. Plenty of pros go negative in tournaments

torpid beacon
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apg consistently going negative

summer grove
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Optic does not need more slayers

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besides on a roster like optic those players you mentioned wouldn't be in the slayer role anyway and would probably be going neg

languid tiger
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formal doing worse than apg right now sp so your argument isn't really valid atm

arctic quiver
tiny sparrow
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Renegod

torpid beacon
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optic need more slay powe

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apg gettin rag dolled

covert wind
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has any team won from losers side?

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in a major like this?

languid tiger
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lucid is off too his br all over so he playing swat now cleaning up all the kills from his teammates should they drop him too?

tame sandal
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For some reason I can't get his GT to work on API websites

torpid beacon
languid tiger
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@torpid beacon with the least assists

summer grove
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by your own logic optic should drop lucid because he went neg

somber swift
tiny sparrow
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happened before, but don't remember which game it was. I think either Reach or H5.

languid tiger
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don't we have chatgpt to ask these questions to these days? haha

arctic quiver
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Giveaway reminder

On Track Emblem/Coating and Diamond Weapon Charm

Still time to enter for the last big rewards of the weekend
#giveaways message

sacred lance
languid tiger
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@arctic quiver I'm missing Boots on the Ground Charm and HCS Winter Weapon Coating for MA40 Assault any chance they will ever come back?

arctic quiver
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Potentially

fringe star
torpid beacon
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apg and tripppy stats my god

languid tiger
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Optic taking this game

torpid beacon
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i hope so, i dont want it to be over

sacred lance
languid tiger
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I went all in on points to faze so the payout will be nice haha

arctic quiver
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Nearly 4.30am, i need this to be over already

languid tiger
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the silence before the storm

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looks like apg doing all the work to me

arctic quiver
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Drop Trippy instead, look at that KD spongekle

tame sandal
arctic quiver
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lmao

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that stick

languid tiger
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I do feel bad for trippy this game he's just off cycle

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YIKES

tiny sparrow
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wow

arctic quiver
sacred lance
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Apg and Trippy are very inconsistent players

languid tiger
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I'm mostly inconsistent in Halo Infinite too

arctic quiver
languid tiger
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but that's probably the game

sacred lance
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They have clutched up dubs on many occasions, but if there were more consistent players on optic to begin with there arguably wouldn’t need to be clutches, just flat out sweeps.

arctic quiver
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GG's to FaZe, incredible to see a bracket reset winner

languid tiger
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I'll take that point payout HypeChief

still socket
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Optic shouldn’t have being force to forfeit that match when snakebite pc crash

covert wind
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congrats Faze

arctic quiver
languid tiger
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optic was playing on 4 core cpu while faze playing on 16 core

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event staff back stage turning aim assist on/off for optic

peak furnace
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the optic team was playing like the randoms you get in objective modes. they did good though, second place is still a great accomplishment

ebon kelp
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optic should've tried harder im n ot gonna get that skin 😢

arctic quiver
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If you haven't finished your drops yet, they are generally enabled on co-streamers until midnight PT

karmic linden
ebon kelp
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i was watching a co-streamer, havent done the 45 mins for the main channel 💔

arctic quiver
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Main channel drops switch to co-streamers

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You can still earn them

languid tiger
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@karmic linden they meant to elect the game not both series xD

ebon kelp
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ohhh

karmic linden
languid tiger
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it was a joke

kind radish
azure swallow
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80% of 3 hours

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it's so over

arctic quiver
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Co streamers should still have main channel Drops enabled

fair jewel
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Faze bent optic over holy

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8 straight outta of the losers is insane

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So much for formal being the goat

azure swallow
#

maybe they should, but co-streamers don't have main channel drops right now

fair jewel
#

@azure swallow a guy named Eli_X has drops on the HCS channel raided him. He has like 10.2 viewers right now

azure swallow
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I'm watching him right now, he doesn't

fair jewel
#

Drops go until 3am

azure swallow
#

he only has the co-streamer specific drops

fair jewel
#

Oh

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Rip

#

Don’t worry I wasn’t able to get all the drops either

#

Missing two

somber swift
azure swallow
#

alright I just saw them get added to the eligible channel list, guess someone had to do it manually

#

they're up now

kind radish
dapper canopy
#

Who won?

still snow
#

Faze

dapper canopy
#

Dang

still snow
dapper canopy
still snow
#

Hype

dapper canopy
#

Are u Mr.Duck?

still snow
#

No

#

Why?

dapper canopy
#

Just

still snow
#

Literally just read my name. I can't get any more specific

silent venture
#

Where afterparty

#

Me want drink

#

And food

still snow
#

🍕🥤

#

🍾

azure swallow
#

I hope that they bring back the Got Milked nameplate some day

#

that's the only drop I don't have

still snow
#

How was that one unlocked?

azure swallow
#

pretty sure only by watching one of the HCS streams really early on in season 1

#

at least I've never seen it return

somber swift
arctic quiver
muted nacelle
#

7 hours later and I still don't have my Loyal Opposition coating drop from the stream. I have everything else

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arctic quiver
#

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muted nacelle
#

I triple checked before coming here

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Just to make sure I wasn't wasting time.

copper thunder
#

Yesterday we saw the Faze i was expecting and was afraid of when they picked up Renegade. A true dominant team and the main reason why for me it's difficult to root for them is i don't like to cheer for the favourites, because that's what they were all year long in my mind. Kudos to Optic and SSG that really put up a fight but i think it will be very difficult going forward. I don't see any of the current rosters being able to stop Faze and after this win they'll be even more confident. They 3-0'd Sentinels, SSG and won 8 games in row against Optic. Unbelievable run.

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The only thing i didn't like yesterday was that some of them didn't go for the fist bump at the end. I think only Snakebite did? Not showing respect to your competitors it's a classless act imo, especially when you win.

opaque spindle
#

They have done it time and time again

#

Also Optic should cut APG and bring in Bubu

sharp quest
#

Well, the better won in HWC. Grz Faze for winning.

#

It took long enough to get this trophy

astral linden
kind radish
sharp quest
#

Pistola was a beast

somber swift
sharp quest
#

Stellur or Spartan should replace APG

somber swift
#

Why on earth would Stellur leave SSG?

quiet prairie
#

Same for APG

strong tinsel
#

FAZE 🏆#1

sharp quest
somber swift
sharp quest
#

Or was it 2018

somber swift
#

I think 17, with shotzy

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I can't recall

sharp quest
#

It was an amazing WC tbh

swift garnet
#

Stellur shottzy Neptune and frosty

#

Were demons in h5

sharp quest
kind radish
swift garnet
somber swift
swift garnet
#

I'm pretty sure they went to cod

sharp quest
somber swift
somber swift
sharp quest
#

He is retired from Halo too

#

Pistola is and will be my GOAT 🫶🏻

last panther
# somber swift Why on earth would Stellur leave SSG?

He probably won’t but could go from knowing you get top 3 to first every time. There’s no way SSG drops him but he could leave. Also maybe wants the fame of being an optic player. That said SSG is growing their fan base quick and seem to be doing everything right

somber swift
#

And there's currently no one in the league that can "know you'll get first every time"

3 different teams have won 1st place this year

sharp quest
#

If i remember correctly

somber swift
#

Yep

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At this point I don't think any of those 3 teams make roster changes for competitive reasons, I could only see it being done for some kind of personal reason.

sharp quest
#

I have seen that 2 of each team r getting those kills and 2 focus on to the objective for example on Oddball they focus onto the ball

somber swift
#

When the situation arises

sharp quest
#

True

somber swift
#

Current SSG, Optic, and Faze don't seem to be struggling to stay in top 3 lately

#

Shame Graymere thought I was upset - if they just stuck around I think they might have gained some perspective

sharp quest
#

Sentinels might drop someone

#

But i see Spartan as their "leader"

somber swift
somber swift
somber swift
sharp quest
somber swift
#

Where is suspector again?

#

Oh, both those guys on Native white

quiet prairie
somber swift
#

Hmm, I suppose it's possible that team splits up

#

Also, don't forget about Barcode - not sure what he'll do next year

#

And Jimbo is considering moving to NA

quiet prairie
somber swift
#

You never know
If the opportunity presented itself

#

And also depending on what the circuit is.
If there's no international LANs again, it's food for thought

quiet prairie
#

If Europe is downgrade, maybe a good idea. If not, he would be making more in Europe with Navi than alone in NA

somber swift
#

True.
Navi did improve a bit in their international placings this year.

Was this the first time we've had 2 EU teams in top 8 at the same tournament?

somber swift
#

Crossman?

sharp quest
quiet prairie
#

Lol

#

Level in Sentinels is way above him.
Maybe the now Cloud9 but not Sentinels

somber swift
sharp quest
somber swift
somber swift
sharp quest
somber swift
sharp quest
somber swift
#

Nice.

It's for reasons like this that I hope HCS year 3 has LANs overseas again.

People love to cheer for players from their own country, in their own backyard.
It's really empowering to see someone rise up and be the best in your region, with the opportunity.
It lets people see themselves in the players.

#

Are you going to attend Blackpool, and is he playing on a team going there?

sharp quest
somber swift
#

Do you know about Blackpool?

sharp quest
#

Never heard

somber swift
#

Europa Halo is doing a big LAN in November!

sharp quest
quiet prairie
#

Its going to be streamed too

sharp quest
gusty scarab
#

Who won?

somber swift
gusty scarab
#

Nvm I just checked announcements

somber swift
#

In bracket reset against Optic

gusty scarab
#

Alright

fluid whale
#

i lost all my twitch channel points went all in for Optic
53 k gone lmao

#

do you think they will ever bring back some of the older team bundles like from S1

tall mural
somber swift
cloud coral
#

My Coatings for the Twitch Drops is still locked.

shell prairie
#

My very first time watching HWC or really any esports league, it was a great time.

arctic quiver
cloud coral
#

I did.

fluid whale
fluid whale
fluid whale
shell prairie
craggy burrow
#

Someday, someone else will win.

somber swift
quiet prairie
somber swift
craggy burrow
#

This does not surprise me.
I hope that means next year they'll have more booths.

somber swift
#

No embed?

tall mural
#

try adding vx

somber swift
somber swift
#

Oh well, anyway Barcode will be back in NA

tall mural
#

W for barcode tho

quiet prairie
tall mural
#

Hopefully next year with a full year of game fuel and etc things will start revving up again

copper thunder
#

Champs + Season 5 trailer looking so good helped a lot in raising people interest, also Scump watch party like it or not helped a ton and honestly this is unrelated to hcs but i think 343 should consider doing sponsored streaming as well. The game is a lot better now and you need visibility and people spreading the word

somber swift
tall mural
#

Yeah

#

Kinda surprised summit didn’t do a world watch party

#

Although he’s already moved on lmao

somber swift
copper thunder
#

oh and another thing that was circulating on twitter was for mlg to come back and have CoD/Halo events, now that Microsoft owns Acti Blizzard i think it might happen and if so i think it will be amazing in general but for Halo in particular.

quiet prairie
somber swift
#

Not sure if Ascending Baseline will actually be getting this prize

tall mural
#

Yeah

quiet prairie
somber swift
#

The coach from Shopify seems to think they will get their prize

#

And honestly, given how they weren't allowed to sub someone in this obvious emergency, is at least a little bit fair.

quiet prairie
#

I don't have a strong opinion on that. There is for and against

somber swift
#

True, for sure

#

It feels right to pay them, but it also sets a bad precedent

merry mortar
#

Poor best man

sharp vault
#

I watched all the streams to get all the coatings but I was into the last 3 because I main MK VII, and I thought they had to be unlocked the day after unlocking the Mirage Coatings (which is today)
But now I learned that it was in the same day? It was yesterday??? I just missed what I wanted to get? ç_ç

#

Isn't there any way to get the last 3 coatings?

#

Like I got all the things, including the Sweep Success charm, but not the last 3

#

I just read the last streaming started at 2:30 AM where I lived ç___ç I want to cry I thought the last streaming started 30 minutes ago

somber swift
#

Keep your eyes peeled on twitter, lots of people will be giving away codes

sharp vault
#

Like which profiles if I may ask

somber swift
craggy burrow
#

Influence

sharp vault
#

I do follow most of the most famous Halo content creators and I've never seen them doing giveaways, and I doubt I find someone with grand finale coatings...
I give up... 343 if you're reading please have mercy of a Halo Infinite player of over 1200 hours of activity in the game and followed all the streaming and may you send a way to get the coatings... Thanks ç_ç

somber swift
opaque spindle
somber swift
opaque spindle
opaque spindle
#

Tapping Buttons might be Top 10 actually

#
  1. Lucid
  2. Stellur
  3. Renegade
  4. Formal
  5. Frosty
  6. Trippy
  7. Bound
  8. BuBu
  9. Lethul
  10. Tapping Buttons
somber swift
#

solid list

#

surprised at lethul in 9, but I'll take it!
Respect.

somber swift
#

10/32 teams signed up for the seeding so far.
Getting there!

sharp quest
wheat oriole
#

Good list although I don’t think you can leave snakebite or R2 off this though right?
Post worlds:
Lucid
Renegade
R2
Stellur
Formal
Snakebite
Trippy
Frosty
Bound
Lethul

Honorable mention:
Eco, Peng, Falc,

#

Forgot legend under honorable

hardy anchor
#

you made half those names up

azure harness
somber swift
somber swift
azure harness
viscid yarrow
#

Basically 343 said "nah you dont get a sub because competitive integrity"

somber swift
jagged turtle
#

That really sucks, not a fun situation

somber swift
#

Definitely not fun

cloud coral
#

I submitted my ticket on HALO Support about the Twitch Drop issue been having.

tall mural
somber swift
#

is it?

There were 3 other teams ahead of his, with 4 people on each team, so it's not far fetched that he might not make a top 10 list.

noble field
# tall mural Spartan outside of the top 10 is wild

I agree to an extent. I think Spartan is a Top10 player but it’s also hard to remove some players from the list that he mentioned. In the end there are like 15-20 players that are VERY good and then it starts to fall off IMO.

tall mural
#

Taulek is underrated

torpid beacon
#

You can't rate players by skill

It's about how well they work as a team

Like APG has a bad KD but because he's the objective player and communicates well with his team he's up there

So the top 10 are just Optic, SSG and Faze

Since there were the best teams by far in halo Infinite so far

cloud coral
#

The HALO Support responded & they said there's nothing they could do unless I took a screenshot of my Twitch Drops & Ingame locked coatings that I was supposed to earn.

arctic quiver
#

The very last step of troubleshooting tells you to do exactly that

supple kettleBOT
cloud coral
#

And apologies if I'm annoying anyone with my Twitch Drop issue. I'm just trying to get it resolved & fixed.

somber swift
somber swift
#

embeds are so finnicky these days

shell prairie
#

That's just an unfortunate situation all around. How did the brackets change with their absence?

somber swift
#

since 1 team from each pool didn't advance to bracket anyway

shell prairie
#

Aaah okay, so it was an automatic advance for the other team in their initial bracket?

somber swift
shell prairie
#

Gotcha. Still sucks for them, sad they couldn't get a second substitute

wheat oriole
somber swift
unique quail
#

Man that was such a fun weekend. You hear the crowd singing Kiss Him Goodbye at the end of the final game? I was part of that lol

cloud coral
#

There I claimed my Twitch Drops from the Halo Waypoint.

#

Hopefully this bug will fix my issue.

cloud coral
#

And I didn't know you could claim Twitch Drops on the Halo Waypoint.

somber swift
void imp
#

Anyome else hating Bandit start?

somber swift
void imp
somber swift
void imp
somber swift
#

lol

#

do you have actual feedback or observations though?

void imp
#

lol yeah I do

somber swift
#

and would you say it feels closer to reach or H5?

void imp
#

Doesn't seem like it sets the pace right, and even though I enjoyed picking Bandit up, I feel like it will be an issue with lower skill ceiling players

somber swift
#

isn't that the point?

Creates more separation in skill?

void imp
#

I feel like it will deter people from ranked, rather than create a gap in skill level

#

And I kust be a rare case, as I actually enjoyed H5.
But I would rather pistol starts from H5 then this

somber swift
#

I guess we'll see over the next week/2 how it plays out

languid cargo
torpid beacon
#

Faze up

cloud coral
#

76% remaining.

#

On my update.

hearty wave
#

Congrats to faze for actually winning a world championship

#

Sucks optic choked but oh well

tame sandal
cloud coral
#

LVTHalo has that drop too.

#

Watch the stream for 2 hours

opaque spindle
cloud coral
#

The Cross-Core Coatings aren't working properly.

candid badger
cloud coral
#

I applied the coating from the Warmaster Bundle on my Hazmat Core. After I completed a couple matches of Super Fiesta the coating is now locked, same on all the cores.

#

You'll guys will notice it after you complete a couple matches.

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arctic quiver
#

Let's keep this channel HCS focused Johnny

cloud coral
#

My bad.

torpid beacon
#

LFG the Bandit Rifle starts now make ranked and HCS take way more skill

candid badger
#

When does the the new hcs season start again?

#

February right?

noble field
#

I believe online qualifiers and opens will be February. First event probably March.

hearty wave
#

How come ascending didn't even make it to Seattle

hearty wave
hearty wave
#

Damn I'm an idiot

#

Will evil geniuses come back to hcs unlikely

somber swift
hearty wave
#

It is what it is

somber swift
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crystal glade
#

Does anyone know what the exclusive reward was for being in person at HaloWC or was it all the same as the Twitch drops?

astral linden
#

you got a card that let you claim all the drops with a code

tame sandal
#

I think the exclusive item was a trophy charm, but we already had that.

#

There was no truly exclusive item from this year's HCS event, unlike last year.

rare widget
#

It wasn’t, the trophy could be gotten by the stream

somber swift
#

Anyone got the youtube link for when Tashi was talking about year 3?

quiet prairie
somber swift
#

I thought Tashi was on day 2, not 3?

#

actually, it was on day 1 it looks like from the tweet

craggy burrow
#

Im not sure there was an exclusive in person one this year.

#

Then again the VIP bag gave you an entire statue so

somber swift
craggy burrow
#

Oddly enough, I didnt have to pay for shipping.
But that might be because Im local.

#

I just straight got the statue free.

somber swift
craggy burrow
#

Deliver

#

But again I'm probably within the same city as the warehouse so

somber swift
#

gotcha

tame sandal
#

What does it look like?

craggy burrow
#

It's the Yoroi Chonmahge armor in the yellow and green coating

#

You could buy it at the con too

tame sandal
#

Oh, I remember that

#

I thought you were talking about an exclusive Master Chief or something

craggy burrow
#

No no.

candid badger
#

Who was voted mvp this year?

tame sandal
#

Stellur

candid badger
#

Perfect

ornate crescent
ornate crescent
craggy burrow
#

Huh. Guess not

cold kayak
#

@ornate crescent Great seeing you again this year; another amazing event in the books 👊

ornate crescent
#

Great seeing you as well 🙂 thank you for attending!

somber swift
noble field
silent venture
somber swift
somber swift
tame sandal
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List team name and gamertags with rank in our discord’s CSR-Check channel.

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somber swift
tame sandal
#

Elon did stuff

somber swift
#

the doer of things

cold kayak
#

Yep, I keep forgetting too

somber swift
#

I wonder if we're in any

cold kayak
#

Some dude was blocking my view in the crowd 😦

somber swift
somber swift
tall mural
#

yep

hearty wave
#

Would love to see darkest hour comeback to hcs

runic lodge
#

when will the next Hcs tournament be ?

somber swift
# runic lodge when will the next Hcs tournament be ?

There is a non HCS tournament happening in Blackpool UK, a LAN, in November.

There will also be some off-season HCS tournaments likely December-January.

But the official HCS 2024 doesn't start until Feb (likely) 2024.

somber swift
# runic lodge OK thx

Keep your eyes peeled here, we usually talk about it.

And the info always gets pinned.

#

Actually, @runic lodge :

#

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noble field
#

Nice!

somber swift
proven canyon
#

Can’t wait for unnerfed mangler to break competitive in half again

somber swift
candid badger
hearty wave
#

Hopefully optic bounces back

#

Seeing the green wall just crumbles was depressing

worldly jewel
#

It was absolutely brutal

hearty wave
#

Felt like It was a slap that left a mark

#

And watching EU get slaughtered just felt personal

somber swift
hearty wave
#

I'm overreacting but yes I'm proud of Navi and quadrant

worldly jewel
#

Felt bad for SSG. Really thought they had a chance

tame sandal
#

Stellur lost more snipes than I expected 😭

#

And speaking of Stellur

#

Guess the reception this stamp got when I brought it back home

hearty wave
#

Elamite is probably my favourite coach in hcs

#

Since towey from instinct during the MLG era

tall mural
torpid beacon
merry mortar
#

Yeah it is lol

noble field
merry mortar
#

Oh nah the maps aren’t but once you hit high diamond, the skill is competitive

#

Behemoth for example right when the game first launched 😂😂

noble field
merry mortar
#

Ah I see

noble field
merry mortar
#

I rarely play btb, I have no motivation to play anything besides ranked. It gets depressing ngl

tall mural
#

Ranked slayer is a struggle

#

50-47’s every game

noble field
# tall mural 50-47’s every game

I don’t get why it’s a struggle. Everyone complains about how 343 forces every game to be a coin flip and I hear of 50-47 games and I think “man I wish every game was that close” as that is fun for me. Winning and definitely losing 50-28 isn’t fun.

thorn marlin
craggy burrow
wise ice
#

I don't know if this is the place to ask but i need help solving an issue on the helljumper nameplate reward.

When I went to claim it, it didn't let me at first but when I refreshed the page the helljumper nameplate was gone.

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merry mortar
#

😂

tall mural
noble field
tall mural
#

Yeah

#

Ranked being competitive is good

#

That’s the whole ifea

somber swift
torpid beacon
noble field
hearty wave
#

At least the competitive scene is in a better place compared to 2012-2013 when agl events were around

merry mortar
#

That’s random but yea

merry mortar
#

?

somber swift
#
noble field
tiny sparrow
#

oof, Frosty chased someone hard and then got no scoped by them.

tiny sparrow
#

Extraction might need some adjustments

tame sandal
#

Someone did that to us the other day at Bazaar

quiet prairie
#

@proud summit

arctic quiver
#

@torpid beacon we don't allow advertising other servers here

arctic quiver
torpid beacon
#

My bad

cold kayak
#

baby

#

I’m sorry I had too

#

Seeing “Wheezy F” in reference to Lil Wayne

#

ok I’ll go back to hiding

hearty wave
#

I was responding about the druk post on the visa complications

cold kayak
#

I know, just my intrusive thoughts won me over

somber swift
tall mural
#

W

tiny sparrow
tame sandal
#

Did he state why?

noble field
#

Ryanoob off of Shopify. 😮

tiny sparrow
opaque spindle
somber swift
# noble field Ryanoob off of Shopify. 😮

Love the team, love the org. I'm super proud of the work we put in this year. Wish them nothing but the best next year.

↘️ Quoting Shopify Rebellion (@ShopifyRebels)

Thank you @RyaNoobHCS: You helped shape our team with your veteran experience. We wish you only the best from here 🫡

quartz jasper
#

Wonder what’s next for Mr noob

noble field
#

The timing is odd to me on this. Right after worlds is not when teams are dropping people and making changes generally. This makes me think that he either has something lined up or more likely, retirement.

torpid beacon
#

He just got top 8 it wouldn't make sense

noble field
#

There is a big difference between making that money when you’re 20 years old and when you’re married at 30 years old like he is.

somber swift
somber swift
#

Also, his response tweet didn't really imply he's retiring.
I expect he's looking at what his options are - and if something doesn't materialize, he might decide to retire later.

#

maybe even wait until the S3 roadmap is out to decide if it works for his life

inner cypress
#

prices are high

somber swift
#

I meant more that it's possible Ryanoob might want to know what the dates and locations of all the events are in order to see how it fits into his life.

#

With a $1M Worlds prize pool, I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar prizing spread for all the LANs as last year.

tame sandal
somber swift
noble field
somber swift
hearty wave
#

Which team would ryanoob would fit in with

somber swift
#

depends on what other changes happen

#

c9 will probably change their roster if they stay partnered

noble field
#

I’m curious if any of the Top5 NA teams will consider a move to get Ryanoob. I don’t think so in the end although the ideas are at least interesting. Noob for APG? Noob for Manny? Noob for Lethul to be back with Spartan? All of them are interesting but doubtful in the end.

So the question is does the next four teams make a change for him? N8V White, C9, G1, Complexity, or LVT? I don’t think N8V White moves on from Mikwen and I don’t see those two together. So my best guess is G1 or C9 builds around Noob assuming he is on board and doesn’t retire.

somber swift
#

Spartan won't wanna play with Ryan

#

Maybe some shake up with one of the Native teams, but I see it most likely C9 building a team around him, if C9 stays in partnership.

#

I think he wants to get on a partnered team again.

#

Maybe Str8sick teams up with him.

tall mural
#

Suppressed had really good slaying power but the teamwork wasnt there

#

Maybe we see old Fnatic team back up some mix of sceptify suppressed juziro artic (?)

somber swift
#

that's a throwback!

tall mural
#

for sure

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idk you know this I wanna see some form of one of those Fnatic rosters reunite

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like: mikwen, ryanoob, suspector, rayne maybe even if rayne leaves shopify

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although i want to see shopify succeed with the young guns

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I think nick's an outlier because of how objectively inconsistent he is and realistically always has been. Both lethul and nick have placed top 2 at an Infinite event with seasoned vets surrounding them

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It is Wednesday. Too early to trip out that we don’t have any NA pros signed up for this weekends C9 5K?

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Too early, yep

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Kewl

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I asked Str8 Sick about a possible team with himself, Barcode, Ryanoob, and Rayne. He said it would be a dope squad.

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Hoax is so annoying bro

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Wonder if naded would be a good fit on Shopify rebellion

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Or pistola he's a free agent currently after getting dropped by optic

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Pain

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And naded is probably not up for competing

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Valid point sucks pistola isn't coming back to hcs but whatever he's doing best of luck

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It's a bit depressing that triggers down was the best team in h3 but were unable to win nationals

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Valid point

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The best thing about MLG halo 3 was the new teams coming up out of the woodwork like ambush, warriors, the darkest hour, triggers down, status quo and instinct and dynasty and believe the hype and purgatory

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Out of the new teams that were formed in halo 3 my top 5 would be triggers down, instinct, believe the hype, status quo, warriors

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Question. Where are the online tournaments that I never seem to hear about streamed?

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Recent example being the wc warm up, I couldn't find it anywhere (plus it was over when I found that it's even a thing)

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Not sure he hasn't said

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But he was consistent throughout his pro career from storm ventures,legendz, carbon,str8 rippin

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That's why everyone holds halo 3 to high standards in competitive halo

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We've now had at least 3 teams win Majors

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Probably not but it's a stepping stone for EU orgs

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9 is a lot!

Were those like completely different teams?
Or were some of them just slight roster adjustments?

Cause if so, Infinite has had more than 3

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Halo CE was very grassroots there's less photos of the scene but some has survived to the test of time

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So in that case then it's 3 in halo Infinite vs 7 in halo 3

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Teams that dominated halo CE were tdt,team FFA and team StK

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Has it really only been Faze/Sen, Optic, and SSG/C9 for Infinite so far?

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Pretty much

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I mean for halo 2 it was basically only Final Boss, STR8 Rippin and Carbon

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👍

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Sv were underrated for sure

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Do you think Quadrant or current Sentinels, or even like Native Red could ever win?

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For quadrant no

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really?

They improved a lot this season, and that's considering they have less ability to practice against the highest level NA teams very often.

I don't think they've peaked yet.

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Problem with teams in EU are the connection it's not the best so top EU teams barely scrim so their practice is pretty limited

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exactly.
Maybe they'll find a way to keep improving even without those scrims

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I tend to agree - but Sentinels took second place recently.

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They knocked faze down TWICE though, and Sentinels hasn't even been a squad for too long.

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It just seems that somehow Sentinels loses all steam in the matches they actually end up getting knocked out in.

Often they get swept.

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Year 3 meta shift might change a LOT - I've no idea how, but we'll see!