hcs-chat

[torpid beacon]

ah right on i thought it was mainly mouse and keyboard nice to see so many pad players kill it

[astral linden]

i only know this dude and kuhlect playing on kbm

[somber swift]

kuhlect not always, he just dabbles

[astral linden]

ah

dyk if he was playing on kbm today

[somber swift]

I don't think so

Navi just folded the reset 😦

[torpid beacon]

yep

they fell apart like a house of cards

😦

[somber swift]

they were up by like 7 kills halfway too

[quiet prairie]

they didn't even know his name XD is septiq

[torpid beacon]

madness

[rough osprey]

Ooooooooooo quadrant to get their tie on hive now…

[hollow flare]

Why isn't the Ember Hex Sidekick gaining any progress? I am watching the HCS stream and managed to claim the other coatings but the sidekick doesn't have a progress bar for some reason.

[tall mural]

Drops are scuffed

[hollow flare]

what do you mean?

oh wait

Nevermind the sidekick progress doesn't begin until June 4th

I didn't see that part until now

[still socket]

I got it yesterday because 343 messed up lol

Do we know when the grand final will start tomorrow

[hollow flare]

Ah you are lucky lol. I will still have time tomorrow to watch it

[still socket]

I got three coatings yesterday the AR, bulldog and sidekick because of the slip up on 343 end lol

[quiet prairie]

we don't, probably between 22h30 and 1h CEST

[still socket]

I thought we always know when the grand finals will start because I remember last time it started at 6:30pm est

[quiet prairie]

we'll know tonight or tomorrow morning.
The scheldule will depends on the timing of the presentation of S4

[still socket]

Ok

[astral linden]

whew ssg

the camera was facing the front of the dude in the crowd and he was still looking back for it lol

[warped rapids]

Dude these restarttts

[quiet prairie]

Quadrant beating his record of best placing

[astral linden]

yeah its annoying

25k on his alone

[still socket]

It won’t be a HCS without something going wrong lol

[torpid beacon]

these restarts are brutal

[still socket]

Do we know what happened that case the restart

[torpid beacon]

is a hamster wheel controlling the LAN?

[warped rapids]

Scump gonna throw up COD because of these tech issues lol

[still socket]

Lol

Optic can tie this up if they play smart and keep ssg out of the hill

Because all optic have to do is control the spanker and have one person in the hill while the rest slay

[quiet prairie]

who is this ?

[astral linden]

scump

oh, cod pro

[quiet prairie]

cool to put some cod to see Halo, so they can see the bugs XD

[torpid beacon]

huuuuuuuuge scalp

[quiet prairie]

Optic - Quadrant : the revange

[astral linden]

i dont understand how this works

so optic cant win the whole thing now can they

[visual karma]

Yeah they can win the losers bracket and make it to the grandfinals

[astral linden]

ah ok

[cinder wyvern]

Optic lost to SSG?

Sorry I just got home a bit ago.

[astral linden]

yes

[cinder wyvern]

Nice.

[still socket]

But they can win the loser bracket and still win the whole thing

[somber swift]

quadrant could make history here

[rough osprey]

Yes but in the grand final optic will have to beat the other team twice to win

[astral linden]

it can be done

but if ssg make it to the final, which they probably will, its gonna be tough

[still socket]

Plus it depends on what other teams are in the final

[somber swift]

Holy crap, that first game

[astral linden]

QUADRANT???

what's optic doing today

[quiet prairie]

ho boy, the tact team is so on point, the calling are so good

[cinder wyvern]

In legend’s case. The gamertag checks out

[tall mural]

Quadrant is god

[cinder wyvern]

I love listening to Tony’s commentating

Probably my favorite tbh

[tall mural]

Yes

I miss him and shy being a duo but you know

[astral linden]

forget shy lol

[still socket]

I have a feeling that optic will win this series

[cinder wyvern]

We shall see

I feel like it’s gonna be another game 5

[still socket]

That could happen also but remember ctf is next

[cinder wyvern]

Ah yeah

Inb4 another montage of legend juggle sliding

[still socket]

Idk how pro players can aim with their weapons taking up half of the screen

[cinder wyvern]

Shout out to the dude in JFO armor in the crowd

[still socket]

Optic can win if they control the camo and both snipers

[still socket]

Nice

[quiet prairie]

Well, not for today :/

[sweet shuttle]

"Master Chief, mind telling me what your doing at an HCS convention?"

(I realize its the wrong helmet, but close enough)

[still socket]

Quadrant not using their camo properly is costing them

[astral linden]

floptic lol

idk who I want to win this

[quiet prairie]

You're Eu, you should be for Quadrant.

[astral linden]

yeah I just heard smthn about that

but I also want to see APG win

[rough osprey]

I want optic to win so I can go to sleep

[quiet prairie]

Same for Quadrant ^^

[cinder wyvern]

I just want good games tbh

Blowouts are boring. This is awesome. Even though it does feel like optic is kinda slacking.

[somber swift]

APG has won a bunch already

[covert wind]

If I had a nickle for Trippy getting camo in this match, I'd have 4 nickles

[astral linden]

unfortunate for quadrant

[astral linden]

yea ik, I just like seeing his smile

[quiet prairie]

GG Optic

[rough osprey]

Yeah they did well

[somber swift]

https://tenor.com/view/wholesome-bricky-pure-good-decent-gif-21514205

[still socket]

Are we getting optic vs native red next

[torpid beacon]

Yes we are

That's the last match of the day

[still socket]

How does the loser bracket final work let’s say optic win who do they face

[quiet prairie]

Wait, there is still a series ? It was not announced

[somber swift]

they face the loser of the winner's final

which will be between Faze and SSG tomorrow

first game tomorrow

[astral linden]

does it start later on tomorrow or still 1030cst

[quiet prairie]

So only 3 series tomorrow. It's not much. Do you all think that it's because of a big presentation of S4 ? or just to finish early ? (or beginning later)

[somber swift]

probably for both reasons

perhaps also venue restrictions, or scheduling with other events at dreamhack?

[somber swift]

not sure

[rough osprey]

They always have just a couple of series in championship sunday… sometimes there is a community match.
Season 4 presentation will probably just be an advert.

[somber swift]

from the dreamhack website:

[rough osprey]

I find it funny how Lottie says let’s meet the team then they just show a promo video of a team flexing

[tiny sparrow]

did optic lose against quadrant again?

[still socket]

Nope they won

[rough osprey]

No 3-2 optic

[tiny sparrow]

oh, cool

[somber swift]

both teams did well in different games against each other

first game, quadrant blew optic out of the water in strongholds

game 5 optic really took handily

[rough osprey]

It’s 5-3 to quadrant over all 😂

[still socket]

Quadrant did blew some camo usage in my opinion during the ctf match

[somber swift]

sure, but in bracket play, quadrant lost to a 3/4 na8v red and lost to optic.

Not quite top 4 material yet

but clearly better than a lot of NA names

[rough osprey]

Definitely a playoff team

[covert wind]

I always wondered how TDM isn't a ranked gamemode in COD but Slayer is a gamemode in Ranked/ Competitive Halo

[still socket]

That’s true they’re a playoff team

[rough osprey]

SLayer is the best playlist

[tiny sparrow]

I like obj better.

[covert wind]

For context: COD Ranked gamemodes include: SnD, Hardpoint and Control, Halo Ranked/ Comp gamemodes: Slayer, CTF, Strongholds, KOTH, Oddball

wait, in Recahrge in Comp, is there only Camo/OS and no Sword

[somber swift]

correct

no OS

[rough osprey]

Camo no overshield- yeah they removed sword too overpowered.

[covert wind]

And I'm guessing the only power weapons you can get are Snipes and Rockets in the respected maps that they spawn

No Skewer or Cindershot

[rough osprey]

That’s correct

Don’t forget the grapple!

[tall mural]

I’ve seen this proposed before but some people, myself included, would love to see all 5 halo gamemodes in a series and only 1 slayer:
Game 1 CTF
Game 2 Oddball
Game 3 Strongholds
Game 4 KOTH
Game 5 Slayer

Would make matches very mixy and fun to watch if not for the lack of maps.

[covert wind]

Guardian Remake when?

[tall mural]

Plaza is at least coming s4

[covert wind]

Isn't that a Halo 5 multiplayer map?

[somber swift]

we have 5 gametypes in HCS, no idea why we don't get all of them in a best of 5.

[somber swift]

remake for infinite

[covert wind]

I mean, I'm indifferent about it since starting from Halo 3, Halo 5 is probably the least played Halo game for me

[still socket]

Native red blew that second game

[somber swift]

round? yeah. They were doign well for slays but couldn't convert

[still socket]

They had optic dead to rights but nah

[covert wind]

I was hoping for the Native red comeback TBH

[tall mural]

Exactly

[covert wind]

Also, is it me, or does anyone else here prefer Camo over OS?

[still socket]

That was a smart move by formal by removing native red sniper off the map

[covert wind]

I will be so happy to see a Needler kill in this game

Okay, at least taht makes me feel better about being bad with the snipes

Talk about slaughter

Optic pulling out the Fillet Mingons on that game

[still socket]

All optic have to do on streets is the control the rockets and keep native red out of the zones

[somber swift]

good god 50-18 is embarassing

[still socket]

Optic wants their fourth win

[still socket]

Is it me or optic struggle on streets

[gloomy bridge]

sure looked like it, maybe home turf pressure?

[torpid beacon]

Guardian is not coming

[torpid beacon]

Because it's a different game which is a different community. Slayer in halo is much more fast paced. TDM every game ends up with people camping in a corner

[urban pumice]

Do we know the timeline for today?

[urban pumice]

Thanks

Thanks

[quiet prairie]

https://twitter.com/HCS/status/1665374418334351362

[urban pumice]

Season 4 reveal this early is HUGE

[pearl nimbus]

is this CT?

[silent venture]

seems so

[mortal musk]

might be helpful if someone with image perms just posts the image in this tweet

[arctic quiver]

https://twitter.com/HCS/status/1665374418334351362

Halo Esports (@HCS)

KICKOFF IN 30 MINUTES! 🏆

Twitter · Jun 4, 2023, 3:06 PM

[torpid beacon]

🍿 this match has been so awesome so far game 5 leggo

also i love those hcs headsets i wish they sold those

[still socket]

Astro A40 or 50

Are the headset that they’re using

I guess they already show off season 4 stuff

[quiet prairie]

SSG taking the Infinity in their image XD

[cold kayak]

Optic is in the elims?! :0

[still socket]

Lol

[silent venture]

Third seed maybe a bit more accurate going into the tourney then lol

[pearl nimbus]

so the BR is available in 45 minutes right?

[still socket]

It says 3pm for me

[astral linden]

shouldn't you do the ar first and then get all the rest at the same time during the finals

[urban pumice]

This is gonna be a great match

[pearl nimbus]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I’m watching EuropaHalo right now

[urban pumice]

What’s that?

[pearl nimbus]

Co stream

[urban pumice]

Oh is that a streamer?

Oh cool

[pearl nimbus]

I’m about to go see spider man though so i’m having Ac sign into my twitch account to watch for me

[torpid beacon]

oh wow thank you!

[urban pumice]

Oh nice. I hope you enjoy it. It’s a great movie

[astral linden]

enjoy

wait

did faze beat ssg

[urban pumice]

According to chat, yes

3-2

[pearl nimbus]

ayo?

didn’t expect that

[sweet shuttle]

I assume the "Ember Hex Sidecick" thing for today is the BR drop, but they just put the wrong thing up?
Since nowhere do I see a BR in the drops list

[somber swift]

it's in my list

[sweet shuttle]

Maybe mine hasn't updated then, I'll check in a bit

[somber swift]

make sure you don't have any co-streams open until you start seeing the right things show up

[pearl nimbus]

So is the BR available now or…?

[somber swift]

it says progress starts at noon pacific when i hover my mouse over it.

[pearl nimbus]

oh, right, ok

[astral linden]

as soon as the grand finals start

[somber swift]

sometimes it's early, if GF isn't on time, or whatnot

[astral linden]

woo optic

[silent venture]

[astral linden]

what's playing on TV in the back lol

[astral linden]

OMG THAT THROW

they had a massive lead and fumbled with 9 left

[quiet prairie]

ho boy, it happened

[cinder wyvern]

WOW

[torpid beacon]

WOW

they fell apart right at the end

[quiet prairie]

so the seed 3 was legit ^^

[cinder wyvern]

Yeah they fell on their face pretty bad that last bit. I didn’t even see how it happened

[quiet prairie]

Worse placing on LAN for Optic since mai last year, in Kansas City

[cold kayak]

[somber swift]

✍️

[torpid beacon]

cloud 9 still exist?

[somber swift]

yes

https://twitter.com/Spacestation/status/1665425136198258688

Spacestation Gaming (@Spacestation)

Falling apart #brickbybrick ✍️

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jun 4, 2023, 6:27 PM

[torpid beacon]

Hype mode engage

[torpid beacon]

i honestly thought they disbanded good for them

[somber swift]

Their org reportedly had some financial trouble, so they dropped their expensive roster and ended up signing a top 16 team instead

[torpid beacon]

ah right on 😄

[calm bronze]

Anyone know when Worlds/Championship tickets go on sale for Seattle?

[somber swift]

Last year they went on sale June 29th

[calm bronze]

Thanks!

[pearl nimbus]

wrong channel

[somber swift]

lol

[empty topaz]

shut up

[somber swift]

bruh

[empty topaz]

jk

[astral linden]

another restartt

[still socket]

Faze loves to choke

[somber swift]

tbf, ssg choked a few hills in game 1

[still socket]

True but faze had game 2 in the bag

[somber swift]

BR skin acquired

[tiny sparrow]

[arctic quiver]

Bound with the OVK

Wow

[somber swift]

I'm rooting for Bound to get his first LAN W

[still socket]

I’m surprised that faze tied it up

[cinder wyvern]

GG

[somber swift]

SSG couldn't ice

[tame sandal]

Good job regardless, SSG. I think I'll be sporting this for a while.

[torpid beacon]

cant wait for the rematch that was EPIC

[still socket]

I always wonder do pro players have to sign out when they leave the stage or it automatically signs them out

[pearl nimbus]

Do they use their own accounts?

I figured it would have been like

“HCS PlayerName”

or “TeamInitials Playername”

[somber swift]

I think so, they have their cosmetics

[tall mural]

W

[somber swift]

Arlington seeds:
https://twitter.com/AshamanND/status/1665498959845134336

AshamanND (@AshamanND)

@NickLavid So based on this, we've got Pool Play:
Faze
SSG
OpTic
N8V Red
N8V White
SR
Complexity
G1
Travel coverage Open:
Hive
Sentinels

EU Pools:
Quadrant
Navi
EU Travel Open:
Awoba
Jlingz

MX: We'll see roster changes?

AU:
Divine Mind Pools
MF and Bittersweet travel

Twitter · Jun 4, 2023, 11:21 PM

https://twitter.com/AshamanND/status/1665501385910284289

AshamanND (@AshamanND)

@HCS players heads up, the 2k and 2k finals on July 16/20 have been cancelled and are replaced by an SSG Pre-qualifier (another qualifier for a qualifier, perhaps?)
https://t.co/f4koiDMlWk
@HCSProTalk - Not sure if HCS tweeted this, but wouldn't be surprised either way.

Twitter · Jun 4, 2023, 11:30 PM

[tall mural]

goofish ahh hcs momen

[tall mural]

no cloud9 = 💀

[somber swift]

nope, they're 11th in NA

they'll need to show up big in Arlington somehow if they want to get travel coverage to the next LAN after Arlington

(be it SSG invitational or Ft Worth)

[tall mural]

so close yet so far

[tall mural]

Right

[somber swift]

yeah, and only 11th if they get Boam back

[tall mural]

Open bracket will once again be a bloodbath

I miss the Kansas City format.

[somber swift]

bigger pools?

[tall mural]

5 team pools but bigger champ bracket with teams from open progressing into lower portion of champ bracket as well

More matches = more fun imo

[somber swift]

ah, yeah

but less people are even competing now, so the competition field has changed a bit

[tall mural]

true

Names like jk vii, goldstarbr, vetra, name, where are they?

[somber swift]

not qualifying for travel to anything.
And likely can't afford to fly - unless they get an org to pay flights

[tall mural]

right

exactly

[somber swift]

We'll know the pools by end of next weekend, essentially:
https://twitter.com/AshamanND/status/1665529369509650433

AshamanND (@AshamanND)

We'll know by the end of next weekend:

Twitter · Jun 5, 2023, 1:22 AM

[somber swift]

I predict some interesting roster changes happening in MX and ANZ ahead of the next tournament to secure pool spots.

[tidal sage]

Who won I wasn’t paying attention

[tame sandal]

FaZe Clan

[quiet prairie]

... HCS deciding that the split 2 doesn't exist

[deft vigil]

Faze best SSG in 7

[tall mural]

did it ever

[noble field]

So literally nothing between now and Arlington? Going to be tough to see how new roster changes are working out except for scrimmage I guess.

[ruby dome]

i would like to say that the Quantum Translocator will not be good for HCS

[tiny sparrow]

I doubt it will be in it

[candid badger]

Why?

[ruby dome]

you ever play titanfall 2?

phase rewind

[candid badger]

Yeah but if you're awareness is good, I don't think the locator will be op as people think.

[ruby dome]

halo infinite is slow paced and this is just gonna break the flow of combat

[candid badger]

Camo is more op imo

Camo doesn't?

[ruby dome]

camo you can still see

[candid badger]

You can see the port iirc.

[ruby dome]

besides camo has threat sensor

[candid badger]

And technically you can't "see" camo

[ruby dome]

and the other new thing

[candid badger]

Threat sensor isn't on a camo map though,

[ruby dome]

but like it’s literally just teleporting

questions

[candid badger]

What's the difference from playing your life and running away?

[ruby dome]

that you can still be killed while retreating

this is just an instant life-saver

[candid badger]

If you have a team that is hyper aware they can counter qt

[ruby dome]

okay so you have to be hyper aware to counter it now?

its a small portal as well

[candid badger]

You can see the portal, and communication is key and teamwork

[ruby dome]

ok

[candid badger]

Lol

[candid badger]

In theory communicate where it's at and when someone uses. If someone is watching it closely it pretty much becomes useless. Plus when they use it they cede control of an area. Not every engagement is won with a kill. If someone runs away, they ceded control

[noble field]

I think the initial reaction is always no, this won’t be good. But if they treat the relocater like camo/OV, then I think it works. I don’t think it works if it is a random pick up on the map that respawns without a timer. Will definitely make for some sick plays on main stage from top players using it well. Will do a lot more to change the meta than shroud screen.

[somber swift]

It seemed to be showing it will be

[gloomy bridge]

anyone still impressed af by quadrant

[quiet prairie]

Always knew their capacity ^^ It's been 2 years that each of them have a level. Other players did, but they drop Infinite :/

[gloomy bridge]

oh fr like who

[quiet prairie]

Fragxr, NURIX, SeiFeR, Shad, TaLic, BlizZ, Mentlan, Zufoa

and we lost a LOT of Tier 2 players too. They really supported the Tier 1 and making it alive.

[gloomy bridge]

i remember NURIX def, maybe Fragxr too

tbh i dont recognize the rest

but thats tragic if they bailed

[quiet prairie]

Reasons : game and/or no LAN this year.

[copper thunder]

I got to say that meanwhile the casters are doing a great job, i really loved watching the games on the LVT channel with the team comms always open

Especially from FaZe, how hyped they get during those games was great to listen

[quiet prairie]

Did you already watch some european commentators ? Or french, when there was ?
It's not the same style AT ALL ^^ Its more on explanation then reaction

[tall mural]

Didn’t septiq just retire or sm

[quiet prairie]

No, he just played on LAN last weekend

[tall mural]

Oh then who did? I know it was a player for jlingz

[twin grail]

Happy Birthday to the best Halo Pro!
https://twitter.com/Ninja/status/1665769178513457153?s=20

[quiet prairie]

Quad

[tiny sparrow]

don't think it would go over well if it was, but that's just me.

[somber swift]

It'll be controversial - but also likely treated similar to OS/Cammo in terms of powerups

[torpid beacon]

Nah I don't it should. It makes gun fights unpredictable. You can give someone a sniper with it and they'll be unkillable

[torpid beacon]

Stop the jokes. It's Ogre 2

[twin grail]

but the joke is funny

[somber swift]

Let's see how many charges it has, etc.

[copper thunder]

https://twitter.com/LVTHalo/status/1665395509865988097?s=20 This was the most decisive moment of the tournament imo. It was "only" winners final but i think if SSG wins here and go directly to grand finals they'd have won the tournament. I'm glad to see how close these teams are

[tall mural]

Ah that’s who it was

[quiet prairie]

https://twitter.com/Tashi343i/status/1665472688180142080
True but only 1 per month ... (and no online)

[somber swift]

There are a couple online things

July 16: Open Series SSG Pre-Qualifier
July 22-23: HCS Global Invitational Qualifier, (July 23 rest of world)

[quiet prairie]

It's true, i'm a little bit a bad mouth ^^
But 2 events for a split.. yeah its a little bit sad. In order to test the equipment and all.. not easy at all (+ lost of interest)

[gloomy bridge]

bro that moment hurt so bad

i was rooting for ssg

[copper thunder]

ye that 1v1 with Eco and Renegade was crucial

[somber swift]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-joker-batman-here-we-go-gif-3430376

https://twitter.com/PoseyxR/status/1665842494075211777

Proton | Posey (@PoseyxR)

Free agent for Arlington, hmu.

Twitter · Jun 5, 2023, 10:06 PM

[noble field]

That’s like the last domino falling at the end of the chain. Doesn’t do anything. lol

[somber swift]

I still knew there would be some changes before Arlington

[noble field]

Of course. The Top16 teams always change some. I’m curious if the NA teams that were at Dreamhack change at all. That’s the big question mark.

[somber swift]

HCS doing HCS things and not announcing stuff:
https://twitter.com/NoobComboCom/status/1666051310120992768

What do these sign ups even mean?

NoobCombo.com (@NoobComboCom)

It appears you can register now for the HCS Arlington Qualifier.

NA's top 8, EU's top 2, MX's top team, ANZ's top team auto-qualify for Pool Play.

NA's top 2, EU's top 2, MX's top team, ANZ's top team from Qualifier receive travel to Major.

Sign-up: https://t.co/kfnAWLO2cc

Twitter · Jun 6, 2023, 11:56 AM

[quiet prairie]

its for the open bracket ?

maybe just administrative

[somber swift]

I think it's just administrative to collect the teams with the highest points that intend to go to Arlington, and determine pools and travel coverage.

but it's still strange.

[gloomy bridge]

Y’all think optic are fading or they still on top

[somber swift]

They're not on top.

I think they have maybe lost their edge a little bit.

It seemed clear to me their heart wasn't in it during the online tournaments leading up to Dallas.

I know they are professional, but there's always a bit of human nature at play.

They won 3 straight. I think they felt a bit complacent, and didn't prepare as hard as they could have.
A team like the new Faze hadn't won yet together
Faze was hungrier.

SSG also hasn't won with Bound yet.
They were hungrier.

[noble field]

Gotta imagine that 3rd place last weekend will be a huge turning point for them. Either going to bounce back from this hard and and contend OR fail again for top2 and probably break up due to a lack of hunger. (IMO)

[somber swift]

Now that Optic 'lost' this invitational, I'd say their hunger is probably back.

[noble field]

I would definitely lean towards that too.

[somber swift]

But yeah, I'd agree that whatever happens in Arlignton will set the tone for them.

I doubt they change their roster this year at all though.

As long as they stay even in top 4, they won't change their roster.

[noble field]

I disagree. If they drop out of the Top3 at their own event, I bet they make that change.

[somber swift]

I think they would be extremely unhappy with a 4th place finish, but I still don't think they would change their roster

Especially since it they were 4th, who is top 3?
Would anyone from top 3 release a player?
Not likely, so then how does Optic actually make a roster improvement?

There would need to be some serious interpersonal issues for them to change their roster, I think.

[somber swift]

got our answer:
https://twitter.com/HCS/status/1666144349946810374

Halo Esports (@HCS)

Registration is now live for pool play and travel coverage at the HCS Major Arlington hosted by @OpTic! The top teams via HCS points in each region will qualify for pool play or travel coverage to play in the Open Bracket!

Pool play: Top 6 NA | Top 2 EU | Top 1 MX/ANZ

Open…

Twitter · Jun 6, 2023, 6:05 PM

[noble field]

Let’s assume it’s N8V Red and they don’t lose anyone to Optic. I still think there are more players out there that is an upgrade over APG and even Formal. I think very highly of Suspector, Spartan, Kuhlect, Barcode, Tapping Buttons, Boam, and Supressed. Not going to argue if any/all of them is better than APG and/or Formal, but a shake up might be needed and all of these guys could be a younger hungrier change they need. Could even go more unproven/younger up and comers in Cykul, Karmea, BreakingShot, etc. There are options for sure.

[somber swift]

Optic has amazing team chemistry, and each player plays a particular role very well.
I doubt you could improve their roster with a replacement.

Perhaps a different coach

[urban pumice]

Right

[noble field]

Not saying you’re wrong. I totally get that. But if they from from always Top2 to getting 3rd and then getting 3rd or 4th, eventually they will make a change. Their is goal is first and making as much money from eSports as possible.

[somber swift]

I think they were walking in unprepared.

they will prepare for the next tournament properly, best believe.

If they don't perform in Arlington, anything is possible - I just don't know who would be a better player than anyone on that roster.

[noble field]

100% agree that I think they try and maybe bounce back. I’m saying in your hypothetical earlier that if they came in and got 4th, I think they make a change.

[somber swift]

fwiw, 3/4 of G1 are running matchmaking right now, no falcated - perhaps he moves?

[gloomy bridge]

I think ur right but also teams caught up

[tall mural]

They made a change after a second place finish last year; Anaheim. I wouldn’t put it past them.

[noble field]

Agreed.

[tall mural]

Everyone on SEN (except maybe Nick) is being held back. Suspector had the 3rd highest K/D at worlds and the 2nd highest at Dallas even before SEN got eliminated top 12. G1 is another interesting situation. Lots of talent, already made one roster move but still only top 12.

Shakeup 🤷‍♂️

[tall mural]

ah

[quiet prairie]

https://twitter.com/Aw0babobs/status/1666493691609899039

https://tenor.com/view/another-one-and-another-one-gif-13250129

[tame sandal]

https://twitter.com/Aw0babobs/status/1666493691609899039

Aw0babobs (@Aw0babobs)

We’d like to announce we’re leaving the Halo scene and the departure of our team.

They’re a fantastic group of lads who’ve made great progress since the start of the season and we wish them all the best for the remainder of the year!

@GloryGGz @Mose_Luciano @Phluxr @Syaiir_

Twitter · Jun 7, 2023, 5:13 PM

[torpid beacon]

RIP

[somber swift]

Damn!

I'm going to assume the players will keep playing, but now they don't have an Org.

[quiet prairie]

Espacially before a Major :/

[somber swift]

I'm guessing they don't have enough $ to continue supporting them?
HCS travel coverage only goes so far, I would think Orgs typically pick up a lot of other costs for the players on these events.

Both MX teams have signed up already, 2/3 ANZ teams, 1/4 EU teams and none of the NA travel teams yet:
https://www.faceit.com/en/championship/fcd36bff-715c-4597-893a-0f4db766ff8c/HCS Arlington Major - ANZ Pools & Travel Coverage Signup/teams

[quiet prairie]

https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/opticmajor2023
is this me or the points are wrong ?
9th-12th - 5,500 -> end of final bracket
13th-14th - 4,500 -> pool play
15th-16th - 3,000 -> pool play

[somber swift]

I've heard they have different amount of points listed in the Handbook, vs blogs, vs tweets so I wouldn't be surprised if that's wrong

I'm sort of giving up on trying to track points, and letting Richie/Tashi know to correct it.

They can sort it out themselves.

[quiet prairie]

sure, its for Liquipedia

[somber swift]

from Waypoint blog:

From the Handbook:

so yeah, there's a difference in the 13-16 OR 13-14/15-16

etc

[quiet prairie]

lets take the handbook then

[somber swift]

I think the blog is correct, actually

It's the more recent document, and has a more granulated breakdown

Handbook last updated May 5th.
Blog posted just 13 days ago.

[quiet prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/rosa-diaz-brooklyn-99-nine-stress-gif-13523261

[quiet prairie]

yes but the blog already state the 30th of May for the date of Open Bracket..
And it might be copy/paste from another event

[somber swift]

May 30th wasn't a friday, so I think that's a typo (June 30th is a Friday)

but yes, you're right in that the points breakdown on the blog could have just been a copy/paste, and might not be accurate either

[somber swift]

I take this back, I decided to ask:
https://twitter.com/AshamanND/status/1666505411447619584

AshamanND (@AshamanND)

@Tashi343i / @RichieHeinz Is the handbook out of date?
https://t.co/m6JgDV1pUL
https://t.co/nPl358GICX

Twitter · Jun 7, 2023, 6:00 PM

[tall mural]

another one bites the dust

[quiet prairie]

I look again at your message but travel is only for https://twitter.com/HCS/status/1666213345005895681

[somber swift]

?

Travel is for pool play, and also some open bracket teams

[quiet prairie]

Those for pool play are those who played at Dallas

[somber swift]

so, the teams that want travel coverage need to sign up for the faceit thing

[somber swift]

yes, but they still HAVE to sign up to the faceit thing if they want to attend Arlington

[quiet prairie]

maybe, not sure

And HCS changed the redistribution ...

Blog : North America: 8 Pool Play slots, 2 Open Bracket Travel Coverage slots
Europe: 2 Pool Play slots, 2 Open Bracket Travel Coverage slots
Mexico: 1 Pool Play slot, 1 Open Bracket Travel Coverage slot
Australia and New Zealand: 1 Pool Play slot, 2 Open Bracket Travel Coverage slots
Tweet : NA - 6
EU - 2
MX - 1
ANZ - 1

[somber swift]

they do

[somber swift]

the tweet is only mentioning pool play

it's poorly worded, but they didn't change anything

[quiet prairie]

ha yes because top 2 Dallas is autoqualified too

[somber swift]

correct

[quiet prairie]

So for Open bracket its in the same faceit page ?

[somber swift]

the faceit page is for any team that wants travel coverage

the actual open bracket sign up itself will be later, this current thing is just to determine who is eligible for travel coverage (both pools and open)

[quiet prairie]

then its wrong for ANZ and MX. ANZ have 3 travels, MX 2

[somber swift]

how is it wrong?

[quiet prairie]

Tweet : MX - 1
ANZ - 1
Blog : Mexico: 1 Pool Play slot, 1 Open Bracket Travel Coverage slot
Australia and New Zealand: 1 Pool Play slot, 2 Open Bracket Travel Coverage slots

[somber swift]

the tweet is only mentioning pools.

so it's not wrong - it's just not mentioning open in the first tweet

[abstract herald]

it's something like that, but not exactly

[quiet prairie]

ok thx for clarification

[abstract herald]

it'll depend if they can find a new org before the end of the year

[somber swift]

you can see the tweet below mentions open teams for travel - but it just doesn't say how many

[quiet prairie]

Still strange to have to make a public faceit page for this as everyteam that was in Dallas are qualified

[somber swift]

I know, it's strange.

But it's possible one of the qualified teams decides they can't attend for some reason

[quiet prairie]

or if there is some roster change.
So another faceit page will be up for travel for Open, I suppose ?

[somber swift]

rosters are allowed to change up until this Sunday for travel teams

and no, the same faceit is for Pools/Open - but it's just to determine who gets travel coverage

the registration for the actual Open Bracket will occur later.

[quiet prairie]

I hope the seeding for pool will take into account placing in Dallas (0 chance lol)

[somber swift]

only top 2

beyond that it's by points/region

[quiet prairie]

not fair for Quadrant... but it's life

[somber swift]

so yeah, at this moment, we have:
MX 2/2 expected teams signed up for travel (Lum and 6k)
ANZ 2/3 expected teams signed up for travel (bitter and MF)
EU 1/4 of the expected teams signed up for travel (quad)
NA none of the expected teams signed up for travel

[quiet prairie]

funny or NA are the only one with unexpected team XD

[somber swift]

I think those kids that signed up in NA think this sunday is an actual tournament

[quiet prairie]

"kids"

Darkest hour is not a kid team

so Quadrant would be in Pool A. hum hum

[somber swift]

I was being hyperbolic

[somber swift]

Yes

[quiet prairie]

G1 and not Compelxity ?

[somber swift]

Yeah, this is based on someone else's points tally I saw on twitter

[quiet prairie]

But Complexity had a better seed at Dallas (1 more)

[somber swift]

It's by points

[quiet prairie]

same

[somber swift]

Again, I was going off what someone posted on twitter for current points

Pools go:
ABCD-DCBA-ABCD-DCBA

So that's why G1 is in Pool A

[quiet prairie]

But G1 had 1 seed less before Dallas, and it got at the same rank then Complexity. So they are still in the same position no ?

[somber swift]

Yes, G1 has less points

Which puts them in 8th

So 8th goes in pool A

Does that make sense?

[candid badger]

@abstract herald thoughts on how quad did this Lan? And thoughts on next lan?

[quiet prairie]

yes, i understood my mistake. I just reverse the last pool

[somber swift]

Glad I could help

[abstract herald]

no thoughts, they'll make better placing at next lan

[candid badger]

They did good this lan.

[quiet prairie]

Hard pool, max 2nd. Then SSG. So yeah harder then last week

[somber swift]

There are no free rides into the top 4.
Quadrant is an awesome squad, but just like the rest, they'll need to beat someone else who is really good to get higher than top 6.

[candid badger]

I think they can place top 6. However, the competition is rising. Watch for g1 and n8v red.

[somber swift]

They just did place top 6

[abstract herald]

they could have placed top3 tbh

[candid badger]

I thought they got top 8 my bad lol

I think top 3 is a reach. But it depends on their bracket imo

[abstract herald]

top7/8 was already their regular placement since year1 (for both Acend and Quadrant)

[abstract herald]

they should have top3 at this lan

[candid badger]

10-4 they did good though top 4 should be their goal.

[abstract herald]

if they had won Optic they would have gone top3, not top4

[candid badger]

Idk n8v red was looking good even with boam

[abstract herald]

they lost against optic

so top3

(and they lost against NAVI in pools)

[somber swift]

Would be amazing to see them in top 3.
It certainly looks possible, but lots of other teams are happy to try to stop them.

[candid badger]

In thinking g1 and n8v white show up

[quiet prairie]

top 4 would be really really good. And I don't think they can do it at the Major. Top 8 would be already great

[somber swift]

you don't think they'll match their last placing from the invitational?

[somber swift]

G1 needs to show up, or shake up

N8V white I think can still get there.

[quiet prairie]

nope, i think they have better team against them next time (in pool and against SSG, if 2nd)

[somber swift]

https://twitter.com/MrAdamAp/status/1666424778645749761

Adam Apicella (@MrAdamAp)

Want to fix esports?

Stop hiring the same people that:
Don’t play video games, or even like them
Don’t care about the space
Make enormous amounts of cash
Spend money like idiots

Want to know why revenue is unsustainable? Because the costs are too high. See above why.

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Twitter · Jun 7, 2023, 12:40 PM

[maiden magnet]

Want to fix esports? you can't touch grass

[tall mural]

woah

[maiden magnet]

True statement

[torpid beacon]

There's some truth to this

[abstract herald]

they can win SSG

They're actually the best SH team in the world

one of the best CTF team (Argyle > Aquarius > Empyrean)

and one of the best OB team (Recharge > Streets > LF)

if they have SH + CTF Argyle in the bo5, they just need to win the TS, and it's a 3-0

[candid badger]

What about faze?

[abstract herald]

FaZe are very good in CTF Aquarius en Empyrean, KOTH and TS

so it'll depend on the gametypes they'll have if they face one against each other

[noble field]

@abstract herald All of this based on results from online. Until they do it on LAN, it’s not true.

[abstract herald]

have you seen Charlotte and Dallas ?

[noble field]

Yes.

[abstract herald]

I mean idk if you've seen but there was a lan, the last week-end

[abstract herald]

so why tf are you saying this ?

@noble field ?

nvm all good if you have not seen it

but know that FaZe are mastering KOTH, TS and CTF Aquarius/Empyrean

and they're very good in OB too

while Quadrant are mastering SH, CTF Argyle and Aquarius and OB too

so it depends on the gametype

[noble field]

Because you keep making outlandish claims and I enjoy reminding you of that.

[abstract herald]

Halodatahive 🤡

[noble field]

Online 🤡

[abstract herald]

All lan matches are on halodatahive

🤡

[noble field]

And they haven’t proven to be the best at anything on LAN against NA teams yet.

[abstract herald]

Lmao

That’s why they never lost any SH Maps

Bro let me tell you something

It’s not my fault if you’re not following the scene

But I have been watching and analysing all lan matches and stats from Raleigh 2021

So before affirming something to me, go watch the matches pls

[noble field]

I’ve watched every major since Raleigh too. Most opens. Relax man. I know it hurts they got Top6 last LAN.

I know you’re frustrated. I get it. All good man.

[abstract herald]

then explain me how :
winning all SH games vs NA teams is "haven’t proven to be the best at anything on LAN against NA teams yet"

[abstract herald]

there's difference between watching every major and watching every games from every lan

if you've watched Major you have only watched the stream (nvm if it's A, B, C or D stream)

which means you have not watched all the games

• you watched them only once and never analysed them, bc you may / may not have the experience to analyse them

[abstract herald]

I won't get frustrated by a guy who could not even pass winner round1 in an Open 🤣

[abstract herald]

explain me just this, idc about the other questions (bc you won't be able to answer anyways)

[noble field]

I totally agree. You’re not mad at me. You’re mad at the results of your team. If I need to be that punching bag for you to feel better, I’ll be that guy for you.

[abstract herald]

🤣

[pearl nimbus]

How about you both calm down

This is not constructive

[abstract herald]

I am constructive, look at my messages

he's not constructive, and not answering btw

• I try to be respectful and polite, while he's not

That's the first rule of the discord

sooo.....

[noble field]

You called me a clown first there Chief.

[pearl nimbus]

I said stop

This conversation is over

[abstract herald]

So as I was explaining :
Quadrant never lost in Stronghold against NA teams (while @noble field was falsely trying to say they did), but hopefully halodatahive has all LAN matches stats available and we can check what I am saying

[winged cradle]

really dude?

[abstract herald]

I dm'd Titan

[winged cradle]

coming right back and attacking people again isn't the way to go

you shouldn't be DMing staff.

Use ModMail

[abstract herald]

i'm not attacking him

i'm talking of stats

[abstract herald]

no I don't want to contact the staff, I want to explain something about stats (if you could let me finish ...)

[winged cradle]

you don't DM staff.

you DM ModMail, per the rules.

[abstract herald]

I don't want to. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT LAN STATS

i do not want to contact the staff

thx 🙂

[winged cradle]

If you cannot hold constructive coversations and be civil, you won't be having those chats here anymore.

you're on super thin ice.

[abstract herald]

I am civil, constructive, respectful and polite

I am explaining things, so if I could finish what I was saying, you'd see I am polite

So as I was explaining :
Quadrant proved to be the best SH team.

They never lost a SH map in Lan :
250 - 224 C9 (Charlotte Pools) with sub
250 - 60 Optic (Charlotte Pools) with sub
250 - 197 Optic (Dallas Pools)
250 - 12 Jlingz (Dallas Pools)
250 - 94 N8V R (Dallas WB1)
250 - 54 SEN (Dallas LB1)
250 - 39 Optic (Dallas LB3)

[abstract herald]

^

[somber swift]

Have they played against Faze or SSG in a strongholds match on LAN yet?

I actually don't know

[abstract herald]

🤣
(and I am being polite rn)

[candid badger]

I don't believe so

[abstract herald]

no they played them only in bootcamp

[candid badger]

What 2 wins during scrims were the modes and maps with quad vs faze

[abstract herald]

can't remember, let me check

[somber swift]

Please turn off pings when replying to me, as I've asked for that in the role I selected.
Please just answer my question instead of putting a laughing crying emoji

[abstract herald]

my bad, forgot, i won't anymore

[abstract herald]

it was SH LF and CTF Argyle

[somber swift]

I hope they get that chance in Arlington during competition.
Would be fun to watch.

[candid badger]

Do you think they can beat faze in Slayer?

[abstract herald]

but anyways Quadrant Lan > Quadrant Online.

Quadrant already lost several games vs NAVI on scrims for example, even in SH, while they're the best team on it

[abstract herald]

no

FaZe is the best TS team and from far

[candid badger]

Pools they looked so good, I thought they would have beat optic.

Who is 2nd and 3rd best?

[abstract herald]

they had not the good gametypes to beat them in bracket

KOTH Recharge was already a loose before it started

the only way to win was to win the TS Streets

but they're not good on TS

[candid badger]

What makes them better at SH than faze?

[somber swift]

until they play each other on LAN on SH, I'm not sure we can know

[abstract herald]

analysing games and experiencing new patterns

• scrimming NAVI online

scrimming against NAVI is probably the best training ever

[candid badger]

But if they can't out slay faze, how are they getting more time on SH than them?

[abstract herald]

pushing patterns, setup breaks, and map control

[candid badger]

Think faze has noticed those yet?

[abstract herald]

SH isn't about making good K/D

[abstract herald]

all teams work on it

[candid badger]

I know I just want to see your answer

[abstract herald]

but Quadrant have been focusing on this gametype

[candid badger]

All teams do, but some do it better

[abstract herald]

yeah, that's how we determine who's the winner

• scriming NAVI

NAVI analyses and reproduces every Quadrant pattern

[candid badger]

What does quadrant need to work on to be in top 3?

[abstract herald]

so each time they do something new, NAVI watch it and counter it next time

that's why scriming NAVI is the best training ever

while NA teams don't really watch EU scrims (bc there's no stream/replay)

[candid badger]

Think so?

[abstract herald]

yes they don't

[candid badger]

Be surprised at how many coaches "sell" scrim vods

If ssg played the vods of ssg vs quad could have made it to faze

[abstract herald]

wdym by selling vods?

[somber swift]

we got our first real NA travel coverage team signed up finally

[candid badger]

Some players and coaches let other teams have vods so they can review the team so teams stay below tx

[abstract herald]

never heard about it, but no one does this in EU, idk for NA

but it'd be weird to do that

as coach I would never do that

[candid badger]

It happens more than people realize. Idk how much on pro side but it happens.

I wouldn't either lol

[somber swift]

below tx?

[candid badger]

Like t16 or t12

[somber swift]

ok, I don't follow

any kind of example?

[candid badger]

Like hive. Faze doesn't want then above t8 so they give vods to other teams

[somber swift]

interesting

[candid badger]

So they can counter hive, meanwhile faze threw the scrims. Scrims is about learning what they do and what you can amd can't do. Some teams throw on purpose. It's why you never put anything into scrims

[somber swift]

very interesting

[abstract herald]

pretty weird to do that but ok

[candid badger]

When I filled in for a scrim once the guy said we are trying to learn how they push and where they are weak. So call out spots you see them frequently. Learn what consistencies they have.

[somber swift]

I can't imagine Faze feels threatened by Hive - so they could only do that for 2 reasons.
-They don't like Hive personally, and want them to do poorly, or,
-They have friends in lower teams that they want to beat Hive

[abstract herald]

yeah that's what we do in vod sessions after scriming

[candid badger]

It's just an example I know a lot of it happens in amateur levels

Yeah but so they one team doesn't know what you do, your team throws the game or plays differently.

[abstract herald]

I need to go back in coaching, it's been a while I'm not in a team

[candid badger]

What rank are you?

[abstract herald]

I don't play the game, I only coach, and used to coach EU Top7/8 or Top9/12

I'd been asked to coach ex-Aw0babobs roster, but refused bc of time

[candid badger]

Why don't you play?

And watch 1 of my vods?

[abstract herald]

Because I don't have a computer or xbox

[candid badger]

Rip the dreams

[abstract herald]

I only have a laptop (mac) and that's where I vocal with my (previous) team, one of us (or the 4) stream me their POVs on discord, I record the full 4 POVs with comms for VOD, and I do them the in-game strats, calls, weapons/nades/powerups spawning times, or the push/setup/break we have to do etc...

then sometimes we analyse pro gameplay together, but most of the time I do it alone

[somber swift]

oh wow, all of a sudden a bunch more:

and 2 in EU now:

[candid badger]

Would you watch 1 of my vods?

[abstract herald]

scrim or cup?

[candid badger]

Just ranked lol

[abstract herald]

no point in reviewing ranked games

[candid badger]

Why

[abstract herald]

there's nothing to learn in ranked (espcially if you're playing alone), just practice

[candid badger]

Tons to learn, can learn what mistakes you are making

[abstract herald]

not in ranked

[candid badger]

How can you not see what mistakes you are making? Like not playing your life or learning spawns?

[abstract herald]

if you're about to compete, you should already know all spawns

without even playing the game

you'll never be playing your life in ranked, bc it's useless

in ranked you can only practice your individual skill, tricks, aim, shoot, mooves, etc.

but that's just mechanics and there's no need to review

it's just practice, so just continue to play

[candid badger]

Bad practice leads to bad habits

[abstract herald]

it won't be bad practice

[candid badger]

How is that?

[abstract herald]

just play and kill the enemy, and play the objective

try to grind to Onyx 1700 it'll be a good start

[candid badger]

Bad practice leads to bad habits though. Any Profesional will tell you that. In any skillset

Anyways, who is the second best EU team?

[abstract herald]

1. Quadrant
2. NAVI
3. Ex-Aw0babobs
4. Jlingz
5. Jumpout
6. BH3

[abstract herald]

and ask any professional, at your level, they'll all tell you to grind ranked

• reviewing solo gameplay and/or ranked is completely useless, everyone will tell you that

@candid badger if you want to really progress, find mates, make a team and start competing + scriming + playing ranked together if you want

[tall mural]

This I can agree with you on lmao.

[abstract herald]

play NA 8s also btw, you'll progress

[tall mural]

Jlingz looked good then just wasn’t

[abstract herald]

Unfortunately Quadios left

and Cl0nely isn't Quadios

• Respect isn't Quadios too

Sxptiq is goat, same for f0xy, but hard to get better except if they stay in NA after Arlington to prepare for SSG (but they won't bc of the Qualifiers)

Jlingz really need to bootcamp for a long period in NA and scrim 2 times a day + reviewing everything to get better

[somber swift]

Literally every single person who coaches on Metafy will tell you the opposite.

[abstract herald]

metafy coaching sessions are joke or scam (or both)

[somber swift]

You don't need to be a pro to want to increase your skill.
Reviewing what you do in the environment which you are currently skilled at is never a bad thing

[abstract herald]

not in solo ranked

it makes no sense

bc you won't play like ranked with your mates

if you want to progress :

• get a team and start competing

1 scrim a day + review it with your mates, watch what you did good and what you didn't

that's how everyone started

[somber swift]

not everyone wants to be a pro, but they can still be interested in improving their game.
If they never have the opportunity to team with people, they will solo forever.
Saying they cannot improve themselves by reviewing their gameplay is kinda harsh, and unfair - not everyone can just make a squad and start trying to be a pro.

The ranked playlist goes from Onyx all the way down to Bronze, and those Bronze players deserve the opportunity to increase their skill if they want.
Reviewing their own VODs will not hurt them

[abstract herald]

i'm not talking of becoming, bc that's impossible

I'm talking of improving

[somber swift]

please try to remember to remove the reply ping notification

[abstract herald]

"Reviewing their own VODs will not hurt them"

If you review a bronze game : 100% of the game will be bad, nothing will be even 'correct'

there'll be nothing to review

[winged cradle]

are you categorically incapable of being nice?

[abstract herald]

my bad for the ping

[somber swift]

I'm sorry, but that's very elitist, Vaktor

[abstract herald]

that's realistic

[somber swift]

Halo is for everyone, and anyone can improve their gameplay, even solo

[candid badger]

^

[gloomy bridge]

Luciid slaps ranked and he solo queues

obviously a team is ideal

but u can learn how to play well even solo

[noble field]

Sam’s job at 343 has become more and more just moderating Vaktor. 😂

[winged cradle]

it's lowkey exhausting lol

[candid badger]

One of these days he will learn. He has credible sources, just needs to be a but more civil. Although, I'm glad he is passionate about it.

[winged cradle]

it's not hard to just be nice

[somber swift]

bh3 is shooting their shot:

[gloomy bridge]

wut does the ring bar mean

[somber swift]

it's related to their performance in tournaments that are run on faceit

[candid badger]

On the note of the rings I believe only a few amount of people have 8s and 9s

[somber swift]

for instance:

[gloomy bridge]

damn even luciid isnt a 9

[somber swift]

I don't know precisely how it works

but I think 8 is the highest I've seen in Halo

bubudubu is also an 8

https://twitter.com/SickStory_/status/1666664539969007616

🦕 (@SickStory_)

need 2 for Arlington with @PoseyxR

Twitter · Jun 8, 2023, 4:32 AM

[noble field]

Isn’t this guy a troll?

[somber swift]

maybe

he 'retired' earlier, but might be coming back

I think posey recently got dropped from Proton, so it's possible

[noble field]

Oh is that Str8Sick?

I might have been thinking of someone else.

[somber swift]

yes

[candid badger]

How long is Vaktor muted for? I have questions for him. I want to know how his lan event is going

[somber swift]

you could DM him

[candid badger]

He doesn't answer dms. He gains power from public attention.

[arctic quiver]

They won't be back for a while

[candid badger]

^ I love this, wish more people did this.

And how like a week while or new account while?

[winged cradle]

that's between us and him 🙂

[candid badger]

10-4

[noble field]

@somber swift The NA Travel thing this weekend, does everyone compete for that?

[candid badger]

Ooh good question

What does Sam for at 343?

[somber swift]

it's not a competition

[noble field]

I assumed it was only for the teams outside the Top8 but Optic has signed up so I’m confused.

[winged cradle]

babysit discord obvs

[noble field]

I believe Community Manager. Got to meet her at the Community Stage at worlds.

[somber swift]

This weekend is ONLY a sign up page to see who is eligible based on already existing HCS points for travel

[winged cradle]

[candid badger]

That's lit.

[winged cradle]

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT FOREMAN

i met so many people

that whole weekend is a blur

[somber swift]

Sam irl is the best, fyi

[noble field]

Haha I was the old guy living his childhood away from my wife and kids for a weekend. LOL 🤦🏻‍♂️

[winged cradle]

nothing wrong with that! 🙂

[somber swift]

did my answer help?

[noble field]

But yea my brother wanted autographs from the voice actors and met you in line for a minute. I 100% percent assumed you didn’t remember me.

[candid badger]

Will you be at the ssg inv?

[noble field]

How many teams get awarded travel? From what I saw if you got travel you couldn’t change your roster, but sounds like most the top8 teams will just take the travel and not bother changing until after the event.

If at all.

[somber swift]

afaik, any team (aside from the top 2 auto qualified) can change their roster before this sunday

that's the point of roster lock

[noble field]

But if you don’t have a pool spot and travel coverage, you can still change, correct?

[somber swift]

after this sunday, there is a separate roster lock time

for non travel coverage teams

it's really late

non-travel coverage teams have until the 26th

[winged cradle]

probably not. my role doesn't lend to travel too much currently. 🙂

but HWC is usually all hands on deck

[noble field]

Was a great weekend. I was pumped afterwards I emailed Tashi offering a venue. 😂 I work at a Sports Complex in SoCal and in charge of running basketball tournaments or renting out the venue. (Never heard back 😞)

[winged cradle]

😮

yoooo that's cool!

also don't take it personally, he's a busy man 🙂

[somber swift]

This was my analysis for travel coverage/pools - if no one changed their rosters

[noble field]

100% not offended. I get it.

[winged cradle]

Awobabobs

why do they do this lol

[somber swift]

no idea, but unfortunately that org just stepped away from Halo.
Not sure what those players plan to do

but they could technically have travel coverage if they decide to play

@noble field so for NA here's how the travel coverage worked.

Top 10 teams get coverage.
However, the top 2 from Dallas get automatic seeds at Arlington, and they happened to be NA teams - so after that it's top 8 get travel coverage.
6 of those 8 go directly into pools, based on HCS points.
That leaves hive in 9th and Sentinels in 10th, what you would think are the final travel spots for NA.
But

There was one of the original Partnership blogs that stated partnered teams will get travel coverage regardless of their HCS points - so if they don't qualify for pools, they get a free travel pass.
Someone told me that means they don't "use up" the open travel coverage spots, so Sentinel's travel spot would go to the next lowest team (because Sen gets travel anyways).
C9 is also partnered, so they get open travel coverage.
So the next team would've been Proton, but their roster is changing.

Does that make sense?

[noble field]

….sure. 😂

Nah I think I do.

[somber swift]

hahaha

[noble field]

Mattyrums, who moderates on Reddit, has the same teams going in but has G1 not in the top8 and Hive in. For what it is worth. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[somber swift]

yeah, my thing was based on 1 person's analysis on twitter, so it's likely not completely accurate

either way, both those teams are getting travel coverage

[candid badger]

What teams are speculated to have done roster changes?

[somber swift]

I would've thought G1 would try a change, but they already registered.

Proton has confirmed their roster is altering

also, Divine Mind in ANZ is changing something

[candid badger]

Col

?

[somber swift]

C9 might be changing - depending on what happens with Boamx/Druk/N8v red

[somber swift]

no word yet

[candid badger]

How do points work for subs?

[somber swift]

you lose the points of the person not playing, and gain the points of whoever is subbing in

every player keeps their own points for themselves

so it's basically treated as a different roster, with the points of the new roster

[ocean token]

Can anyone confirm, in multiplayer, if you melee an enemy, do you lose your own shields?

[tame sandal]

Not unless they hit you as well and you've got full shields

You can also get shot from somewhere else and lose them

[noble field]

I would be shocked if they don’t. But so far crickets.

[ocean token]

I think that’s happening, is that become there is no collision, the enemy is walking through me as I melee and they are getting a one hit back smack on me at the same I melee maybe. But I get one hit a lot when I melee some enemies even when I’m on full shields 🤔

[somber swift]

The problem is that there IS collision with enemies, but there can be really bad lag or desync, which causes the game to not know where the enemy is, so it feels like you walk through them.

[quiet prairie]

owner is https://twitter.com/Aw0ba so he just add "bobs" ^^

[quiet prairie]

I don't think travel coverage for Partenered teams still applies now. And I have never seen teams outside of the top X+ get travel stipends after partenered team

[somber swift]

Common seemed to think so

[somber swift]

Quadrant has a chance to make Halo history.
They have a chance the be the first EU team to place first.

And that would be really cool, because of how seedings have been working.
Typically 1-2 get auto seed to the next tournament, which would mean that potentially 4 other EU teams get into the next one!

Although I'm not sure that's how it'll work for the SSG invitational, I think that will have separate tournament qualifier.
But if Quadrant could win the SSG tournament it would really shake things up for Fort Worth.

[noble field]

I’m rooting for them. Would love to see Quadrant and another NA team challenge the current Top3 on a consistent basis.

[somber swift]

Here's the remaining schedule:
June 30 - July 1: HCS Arlington Major hosted by OpTic
July 8th – NAVI x Europa Halo Summer Series EU Only Open 1
July 15th – NAVI x Europa Halo Summer Series EU Only Open 2
July 16: Open Series SSG Pre-Qualifier
July 22nd – NAVI x Europa Halo Summer Series EU Only Open 3
July 22-23: HCS Global Invitational Qualifier, (July 23 rest of world)
July 29th – NAVI x Europa Halo Summer Series EU Only Season Finals
August 4-6: HCS Global Invitational hosted by Spacestation Gaming
Sept 1-3: HCS Ft Worth Major
October 12-15: Halo World Championship 2023 (Seattle, Washington)

[somber swift]

ex-awobabobs have signed up:

that's top 4 EU now locked in for travel

status quo is shooting their shot, in case someone doesn't sign up in time:

same with mantra

g1 optic and hive should all be in already for travel - 7 more expected teams, depending on rosters

MX is locked:

still waiting on the new divine mind in ANZ

[tall mural]

yep

[tall mural]

vertex is back to being vertex not bittersweet ig

[urban pumice]

Yeah

[somber swift]

I think it's possible the team thing already existed on Faceit, and they didn't make a new one - I think they're still Bittwersweet and the actual marketing and HCS material will show it

[somber swift]

APG just said it doesn't matter than G1 already signed up on faceit - they might still change rosters, and the whole NA scene comes down to what khulect decides

https://twitter.com/NativeGaming/status/1667230395870355460

Native Gaming (@NativeGaming)

Join us in welcoming @RLongawa as our new COO 🙌

Rebecca has over 25 years of experience across sports and marketing, and is a leader in promoting Women in Gaming

She'll be helping us build a strong foundation to deepen our impact on Indigenous communities

Twitter · Jun 9, 2023, 6:01 PM

Optic is going to scrim N8V white today.
Not sure if it'll be on smurfs to hide identity of new n8v white

[tall mural]

hmm

[candid badger]

What teams have roster changes so far? And who got dropped/added

[somber swift]

according to APG, every team outside of faze, ssg and optic

but I dunno - I think G1 and Hive will stay the same, they already signed up

[candid badger]

Wooooow that's a lot And just NA right?

[somber swift]

Eu no change

ANZ only change to divine minds

they haven't signed up yet

MX top 2 signed up already

[candid badger]

Do you know exactly who got dropped from each team? And even n8v red?

[somber swift]

I do not know it all

but it's safe to say Druk won't be on red

and monstcr is off COL and going to C9

some stuff we already know publicly about Proton gaming too

[somber swift]

and it seems like khulect is probably leaving COL

we got divine mind now

that doesn't look different from the last tournament

[gloomy bridge]

Why? complexity have improved loads

[somber swift]

I dunno, but that's what APG said

[gloomy bridge]

Shame tbh

[tall mural]

can’t say I’m surprised

[tall mural]

That’s the same

[somber swift]

yeah, I'm surprised, because someone from ANZ was telling me they were making a change

[tall mural]

dropping monstcr picking up someone like Suspector would be absolutely massive

[candid badger]

Rip, lowkey wonder if g1 is trying to pick him up? But I imagine druk is still n8v red but have someone subbing until he travels

[somber swift]

i think at least half of COL is changing

[candid badger]

My bad on ping

[somber swift]

i feel like we won't see druk at a lan this year

[candid badger]

Same

Even sr? I feel like ryanoob knows better than to drop people who can grow to be better

[somber swift]

yeah, APG confirmed shopify made a change

[candid badger]

And I wonder what sen is planning. No way they drop lethal, sparty doesn't want to leave nick. Sus is a god

Wooooooow

[somber swift]

it's very possible we might finally see the day that spartan nick duo is broken up

we'll see

or maybe not.
Maybe they both go to COL

[candid badger]

Wouldn't be a bad move. I think sparty would help cykul.

But suspector is thee god

[somber swift]

new complexity

Complexity: Karmea Tusk Supressed Gilkey

this mean G1 dropped supressed
Shopify dropped karmea

[noble field]

Or those two left. 🤷🏻‍♂️

But damn, this N8V White team is exactly what I had hoped when they announced. Immediately loved the team but said Kuhlect over Gilkey would’ve been better.

Complexity top8 for sure over Sentinels and Hive. Worse than Quadrant, both N8V, and the obvious Top3. We will see about SR and G1.

I do wonder if Sentinels makes a change during all of this.

[somber swift]

100%

apparently 6 or 7 of the top 10 in NA are changing

[noble field]

I think the next domino to fall now is Cykul. I imagine it’s G1 or SR. I do wish SR picks up Spartan to reunite the eUnited team. Maybe Spartan and Nick to go full blown eUnited. 😂

[somber swift]

I could see a world where Sentinels just misses the opportunity to upgrade

[tall mural]

That would be odd

[somber swift]

it's on faceit now

[candid badger]

Whaaaaatttt

[somber swift]

dude, there's massive changes

[noble field]

I’m not believing this is the best Cykul can do. Where was this posted?

[somber swift]

no, that's not what I'm saying

I'm saying all those players there are without a team right now, but there are several teams of 3 as well

G1, C9

Shopify

[noble field]

Ah I see.

[somber swift]

the whole sen roster is not confirmed either

we have these new rosters so far, along with ssg, faze and optic

so yeah, SR, C9, Sen, G1, all these unkown

https://twitter.com/CintaNegraGC/status/1667298192290099201
They 'signed' a US team

CINTANEGRA Esports (@CintaNegraGC)

TEXAS HERE WE COME 🤠🇺🇸

We didn't want to miss out on this incredible opportunity and we'll be seeing you in Arlington in a few weeks for the @HCS Major hosted by @OpTic ⭐

🔹 @Lerskey_
🔹 @maceskii
🔹 @Schlayygs
🔹 @ItzTheLastShot
🔹 @ElZeno_

Welcome to the team!…

Twitter · Jun 9, 2023, 10:30 PM

[tall mural]

AA

[noble field]

I believe Sentinels is known until proven otherwise.

[somber swift]

https://twitter.com/NoobComboCom/status/1667340520685727751?t=4FLizNpYKeNjDi3DYq7dGg&s=19

NoobCombo.com (@NoobComboCom)

Looks like CyKul has been going over maps with MentaL, Rayne, and Shopify Rebellion coach BesT Man.

Twitter · Jun 10, 2023, 1:18 AM

No ryanoob....?

[tall mural]

Huh

Well there’s only 3 players there

Ryan maybe couldn’t make it or something that seems normal

[somber swift]

Still leaves G1 missing a player

And C9

[noble field]

C9 is going to get leftovers. If Cykul is on SR, it looks like SR and CoL make a trade for one player each, N8V White and CoL make a trade for one player each, but no one to give back to G-1 for Supressed. They might be left holding the bag here and picking up someone less than ideal.

[stable dove]

when are the next couple lan tournaments in NA and where are they gonna be located

[torpid beacon]

In Birmingham

[tall mural]

that’s nice to look at

that new complexity roster is gonna be really interesting… at least tusk and Gilkey have teamed together before

[noble field]

I feel like it’s four guys that are all slaying focused, but all are better than average at it. Definitely firepower on that team. Should be interesting.

[candid badger]

Tusk is an amazing igl, Gilkey is solid support player and karma is a slayer but supressed will definitely add a lot to the team.

[noble field]

That’s what I have heard about Tusk. I can’t say one way or the other. Gilkey is a really solid all around player although I do feel like he is slayer leaning. Karmea seemed like a solid slayer on SR and Suppressed keeps getting underrated IMO as a really strong slayer. Really curious where they place as I can do both best case and worst case scenarios playing out.

[somber swift]

June 30-july 1 in Arlington.
Then August 4-6
Then September 1-3 in fort Worth
Then October 12-15 in seattle

[somber swift]

Oh?

[tall mural]

I agree with this

[tall mural]

The spreadsheet being all organized lmao

[somber swift]

Oh, hehe, we'll I'm an accountant

Also, we got Shopify now

Just waiting on sentinels, and possibly the change to g1.
Not sure if c9 will even bother signing up for this, it's unlikely they'll have pools so they can just wait to announce their roster

[tall mural]

So Ryan is still with the team, got it

[tall mural]

Imagine c9 just dips 😭

[somber swift]

Nah

They like that skin money

They'll put in a roster but there's no way they make official pools or top 10 even

They can wait to register (unfortunately for us!)

[candid badger]

If they get their funds in order they will hopefully try to get a t8 team together

[somber swift]

They would need to buy out a roster

Not likely

[tall mural]

Right

[gloomy bridge]

If optic keep losing

Who would they drop and then pick up

[candid badger]

Depends on formal tbh

[noble field]

Complexity signed up as Tusk, Gilkey, Suppressed, and King Nick 😯

[candid badger]

Proof

[noble field]

I can’t post pictures but it’s on FaceIt for you to look at.

And N8V Red just signed up too with Boam instead of Druk again.

It would be funny if Sentinels or G-1 pick up Monster just for the points. 😂

[somber swift]

That's crazy

[noble field]

Is it just me or wouldn’t you rather have Karmea instead of King Nick?

[somber swift]

Probably

[noble field]

Shocked about Suspector being left out in the cold. Karmea is kinda surprising too. Them two plus Sab and one more wouldn’t be a terrible team though.

[somber swift]

https://twitter.com/NoobComboCom/status/1667763325781049344?t=C7kWGYvmavXnpQ1tkoykNQ&s=19

NoobCombo.com (@NoobComboCom)

https://t.co/dBRs7R3YV0

Twitter · Jun 11, 2023, 5:18 AM

The one time Spartan won a tournament.
And I'd say Lethul is an upgrade from Ace.

This team might push top 4 now

[torpid beacon]

Not at the optic event maybe the maybe the next one

[gloomy bridge]

Im hyped, wayyy more interesting lineup

[noble field]

I highly disagree. Sentinels and G1 both have underperformed all season. I don’t think Lethul has what it takes anymore and Bubu/Falcated have struggled this season. They could in theory push hard for a high placing but I would put money on Top4 for SSG, Faze, Optic, N8V Red, N8V White, and Quadrant before I look at Sentinels. Probably Shopify too.

I will say the Top8 is tighter now than ever, but Sentinels is probably Top8 or even Top12, in my opinion.

[somber swift]

I'm not predicting top 4, but I think they're more capable than the last editions of both sentinels and g1

[noble field]

True that.

C9 posted with Sceptify as their fourth. So he is out at Mantra.

Good move for him to be honest.

[somber swift]

I wonder what mantra will do now

[quiet prairie]

AshamanND : So do you know who gets travel fees in pool play now, with point ?

[somber swift]

No idea

I don't know who has how many points

[noble field]

Top8 didn’t change in terms of who is in it. Sentinels 9th so no pool play but travel. Only question is who gets the second travel.

[quiet prairie]

but there was lots of roster change no ?

[noble field]

If G-1 posts a team in the next three hours built around Suspector/Sab/Karmea, they definitely will be 10th and get it. If they don’t, not sure. Proton was next but lost points from Haines replacing Posey.

[noble field]

Correct but still Faze 1, SSG 2, Optic 3, N8V Red 4 for sure. I believe N8V White is still 5 and Hive still 8. Just not sure about Complexity and SR in terms of who is 6 and who is 7.

[quiet prairie]

Hive was not 8

[noble field]

G-1 was 9 and Sentinels was 10, so them combining two players each won’t change that much at all.

[noble field]

https://twitter.com/noobcombocom/status/1666146726606929922?s=46&t=k0OtERRoEKly6AAEvMUQqg

[quiet prairie]

well it changed since Dallas then

[noble field]

That’s literally the day after Dallas before roster changes. 😂

[quiet prairie]

well it was not like that

[noble field]

Not sure what to tell you. It’s correct info.

[quiet prairie]

#hcs-chat message

[somber swift]

My pools were based off someone else's points calculator

Not guaranteed correct

[quiet prairie]

so, yeah I was not dreaming it, its not the same

[somber swift]

Not the same, yeah

Because I can't say mine were 100%

[quiet prairie]

so does noob combo. Especially when there was roster change but that apparently it didn't changed a thing ?

[somber swift]

It would be a lot easier if HCS.ee.gg or whatever stayed up to date

[quiet prairie]

its up to date for points

So Luminosity is in fact first MX seed

6K is only Open Bracket

[somber swift]

They added points for Dallas?

[quiet prairie]

of course

since tuesday I think

but teams are from last Major :/

[quiet prairie]

Hive players became G1 players

[noble field]

Just saw that. Easier to buy out a pool play team I guess than try to start from scratch.

Means that Suspector, Karmea, and Sab are still F/A.

[quiet prairie]

My head is just exploding with all those changes XD

[noble field]

Yea. Arlington is going to be insane.

[somber swift]

Ok, so no more hive.
Did sabinater join those 3?

[noble field]

No Hive just became G-1. Suspector, Sab, and Karmea are all still free agents. Pretty shocked.

[somber swift]

Oh, right, it was mantra missing a player