general-chat

[candid solar]

Basically "The expanse".

[livid nova]

Still confused

[candid solar]

It's a mistaken belief that it's a 'realistic' take on science fiction.

[late meteor]

The act man?

[candid solar]

In Halo's case.

[valid ingot]

Yep

[candid solar]

Absolutely disgusting, that.

I'm glad I make sure his cringe never shows up in my feed.

[livid nova]

Halo isn't anywhere near realistic

Reach is my 2nd favorite Halo and I can see that

[valid ingot]

Halo is semi-realistic

[candid solar]

Yes, but weirdly large groups of people think it is.

[valid ingot]

From the UNSC perspective

[late meteor]

Why lol

[candid solar]

Usually, it's a Reach fan who thinks that.

[livid nova]

The UNSC is semi realistic

[late meteor]

It was a great video

[livid nova]

Everything else, just no

[late meteor]

I’m a reach fan

[candid solar]

Because it's Tate-tier trash.

[late meteor]

Huh?

Bro 💀💀

[candid solar]

Guy's insights are absolutely misguided and laughable. He's a cringefest within and without.

He doesn't even have the grace to lean into it.

[late meteor]

Marty O’Donnell likes him

[candid solar]

Oh good, another reason to loathe his guts.

Thanks for that, wasn't sure if I needed another.

[livid nova]

I really can see why people don't like Reach, but i'm not one of those people

[late meteor]

And his halo lore videos are really insightful

[candid solar]

Nah.

[livid nova]

Reach definitely has it's problems

[late meteor]

Hatred is a poison you take my friend…

[candid solar]

They're misguided at best. And I'm being very generous by saying misguided.

[late meteor]

Hatred is a poison you take expecting your enemy to die, it’s bad for the soul

[candid solar]

And yet you willingly consume his.

[valid ingot]

The better question is how they went from Halo Landfall, the ODST trailer, the Reach Trailer, to Halo Forward Unto Dawn... then suddenly drop the ball hard when Hollywood got involved.

[livid nova]

I stopped watching Act Man awhile ago

[late meteor]

Yes because his videos are well produced and insightful

[candid solar]

... Not even close, but I weep for media literacy nonetheless.

[livid nova]

God the ODST trailer still slaps today

[late meteor]

A friend of Marty is a friend of mine.

[late meteor]

Media literacy?

[candid solar]

"Media literacy is an expanded conceptualization of literacy that includes the ability to access and analyze media messages as well as create, reflect and take action, using the power of information and communication to make a difference in the world."

[late meteor]

Have you even seen the recent video?

[candid solar]

No, because it's the typical trash he'd normally produce and I have no interest in watching something so wretched as his trash people call 'content'.

[late meteor]

Not everything has to make a difference. His content is insightful and entertaining. The guy makes me chuckle sometimes

[candid solar]

Speak for yourself.

[late meteor]

He’s funny and entertaining

[livid nova]

I watched it

[candid solar]

Nah. Anyone who drops hard Rs and gets pissy that it's not allowed isn't either.

[late meteor]

Agree to disagree I guess

[late meteor]

Bro 😂

[livid nova]

He just re-explains the plot of CE and says it should've been the Halo series

[late meteor]

You need to get off of twitter bro

Live life

[candid solar]

I'm not on Twitter. Just informed about the things people are.

[valid ingot]

Its like two separate worlds in here...

[livid nova]

I'm trying to stay positive

[candid solar]

I'm not when it comes to him.

[valid ingot]

Go to youtube and look up "the Road to Halo Infinite".
Really good video

[livid nova]

Already saw it

[late meteor]

What about Ascend Hyperion?

[candid solar]

Neutral. Don't really watch his content.

[late meteor]

Ok

[candid solar]

I don't really watch many Halo CC's content. Most are uniformly degenerate.

Those that aren't are diamonds in rough.

[late meteor]

You seem really jaded

[valid ingot]

"Informed."
Nah, just opinionated. Nothing wrong with that

[candid solar]

About desiring better content? Absolutely, I think Halo deserves better than them.

[late meteor]

Why do you hate them so much 😂

[valid ingot]

Halo deserves better than Paramount

[late meteor]

Just take a chill pill

[candid solar]

Poor criticism, poor attitudes, poor fanbase, poor inflection, and poor aspirations.

[late meteor]

You don’t seem to have any substantive criticisms of these figures

Poor in what way?

Inflection?

[candid solar]

They have an annoying manner of speaking in terms of speech patterns and or voice.

[late meteor]

Fair enough I guess

[fickle drift]

....Is he bashing The Act Man?

[candid solar]

Yes.

[grim junco]

I love how even after submitting a ticket my settings still reset every time I launch the game

[late meteor]

Yeah 💀

[late meteor]

Infinite or mcc? And pc or console?

[fickle drift]

Ah. I like Kelly, he's alright.

[candid solar]

His name is Kelly?

[grim junco]

Xbox and Infinite

[fickle drift]

...Yeah it is.

[candid solar]

I miss when I didn't know that.

[late meteor]

Hmm. That’s definitely odd. Not happening for me

[fickle drift]

Is it somehow amusing that his name is Kelly?

[candid solar]

No more amusing than his content.

[fickle drift]

Kelly Slater is one of the best surfers of all time.... but lolz Kelly?

[late meteor]

😂

[candid solar]

It's also really weird to refer to someone by their first name rather than their handle.

And generally frowned upon outside of personal chats.

[valid ingot]

Like Chris from Halo Follower?

[candid solar]

Isn't Halo Follower more than one person?

[pale bramble]

For real

[candid solar]

If yes, than no, it's less weird in that case. If no, then yes, it is weird in that case.

[valid ingot]

Yes but they go by their first names to identify themselves

[fickle drift]

Thanks for sharing your opinion. I'll refer to someone how I wish to.

[pale bramble]

First names r crazy

[candid solar]

Nah, not allowed.

Just illegal to refer to people how you wish, I don't make the rules.

[late meteor]

💀

[smoky token]

Has anyone here played Stellaris

I need help

[late meteor]

Nope sorry never played it

[smoky token]

Any other Paradox games?

[late meteor]

Nope. None at all

[candid solar]

HBS Battletech, Stellaris, uh... A few others. Why?

[smoky token]

Ok so

[candid solar]

Have you unlocked nerve stapling?

[smoky token]

I’m in a game with a few other real players

[valid ingot]

Yes

[smoky token]

6 others

[candid solar]

Have you nerve stapled them?

[smoky token]

I’ve got a megacorp, right? Good economy, weak military and technology though

We are at mid game, year 2300

[valid ingot]

Ah, quicker game, okay

[smoky token]

I think end game is around 2500 or something like that

Anyways I’ve carved out about 1/16 of the east wing of the galaxy for myself

But i’m about 10-20 years behind my opponents, technologically

And no one wants my resources even though I have so much of them

How can I win this

[valid ingot]

Like, you have tons of alloys, yes?

[candid solar]

Become cool robots.

[valid ingot]

Have you built the Science Nexus yet?

[smoky token]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1085123564832821268/1104970443523362827/image.png

Here are the important bits of the map right now, I’m the yellow bit on the left

[candid solar]

Sorry, I nearly exclusively play cybernetic intelligence. I don't know any other answer.

[smoky token]

No

And I have about +40 alloy and 6k or so saved up

[valid ingot]

1.) Build a Science Nexus. Gives you I think +350 to all science values

[smoky token]

also about 70k energy credits with +250

[smoky token]

I don’t have the tech for that do I?

[valid ingot]

Use spare energy credits to buy from the galactic market: alloys

Any mods?

[smoky token]

No gameplay affecting ones

[valid ingot]

Or pure vanilla?

Okay
Build science ships and assign them to boost research on your planets

[smoky token]

I can do that?

Alright

Also my colonies keep slipping in and out of instability

I think it’s cause of lack of jobs and amenities but I can’t really fix that

I have plenty of consumer goods but jobs I literally can’t fix

[candid solar]

... Hmn. This is not something playing as robots can allow for advisement of.

[valid ingot]

Build additional science structures on your worlds and assign researchers manually.
Note the ships won't boost 0 research.

[smoky token]

I build the research stations on colonies, yes?

[valid ingot]

Colonize more worlds and transfer people over

[smoky token]

I’ve colonized about all I can

[valid ingot]

Population controls then

[dry frigate]

Greetings spartans

[valid ingot]

Buildings, yes

[smoky token]

There’s a couple of worlds out at the border of my space with a 50% rating but I don’t really think that’s worth it when I’m already struggling with my current colonies

[candid solar]

I forgot how many generic drums were in the original Modern Warfare 2 soundtrack. I didn't even realize I was listening to it until I heard a specific riff.

[dry frigate]

Um this is a Halo chat people

[smoky token]

This is general

[valid ingot]

Use envoys to steal technology (long process).
Get the science traditions.
There are some artificat things that can boost research

[candid solar]

Ah, but it is a General Halo chat.

[valid ingot]

I play Stellaris exclusively as the UEG

[smoky token]

I modeled my empire after the IMC from titanfall but I’ve been overly progressive and xenophilic I think

[candid solar]

I usually only play as hive minds or highly stable monarchies.

[smoky token]

kinda self insert empire

[candid solar]

I also usually kill only the first primitives I run across because worlds are fun to have

[valid ingot]

Xenophobic expansionism is the way to go. Owning 1/8th the galaxy without firing a shot

[candid solar]

Wouldn't that be Xenophilic Expansionism

Xenophobic implies you are firing shots

[dry frigate]

Guys can we talk about halo because this is a Halo discord

[fossil skiff]

#halo-discussion

[candid solar]

The Railgun is cooler than the Spartan Laser in all areas.

[smoky token]

So here’s the thing, I think I can do a big research agreement with the current biggest empire (real player) in exchange for vassalization

[dry frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-digital-ph33r-joncjg-jon-graham-animation-gif-18373053

[candid solar]

Gif denied.

[fossil skiff]

Arclight is so nasty

[candid solar]

Giant chunk of magnetically launched metal my beloved

[valid ingot]

No no no, Xenophobic ethics give a discount on influence cost for stations, so you can claim unclaimed systems faster

[candid solar]

Way more based than cringe photons

[smoky token]

Interesting

[smoky token]

I don’t have any xenophobic ethics I think

I’m currently going for “whatever makes us the most money”

[floral pollen]

Cya guys tomorrow, I'm getting tired

[valid ingot]

Well doesn't matter by 2300

[late meteor]

Bye

[smoky token]

One of the other players actually just told me something

[candid solar]

Kill them, Titan

[smoky token]

He wants to help me and another empire destroy my southern neighbor

[candid solar]

The fact they felt like giving you a hint is all the more reason to ultimately slit their throat for daring to think you needed assistance

[smoky token]

I get some of the land and all of this guy’s tech (he’s the biggest player right now) but I become a vassal

So I basically get to the heights of the biggest player but become a own

pawn*

[dry frigate]

Is anyone willing to chat about halo than random stuff

[smoky token]

And I also get a largeish arm of the galaxy

[smoky token]

#halo-discussion is right down there! 🙂

[candid solar]

My brother in the Rings you need to start the convo.

[smoky token]

I don’t think anyone is super active there right now

[valid ingot]

Sure. What do you think of Starcraft and Halo having a crossover should Activision be finally acquired by Microsoft?

[dry frigate]

Um well

No

[smoky token]

That might be kinda cool actually

[candid solar]

I will only accept a Halo x Battletech crossover.

[dry frigate]

I would prefer Transformers lol

[valid ingot]

I mean think about it.
The "United Earth Directorate" or UED is only one letter change to UEG, our good Unified Earth Government.

[fickle drift]

I thought microsoft were blocked from buying Activision anyway

[dry frigate]

Master Chief and Optimus Prime to great leaders game is called Halo United or Halo Alliance I prefer United

[valid ingot]

By the British but they are appealing

[fickle drift]

I don't see them changing their minds tbh it took them like a year to say no

But what do I know

[dry frigate]

@valid ingot Master chief vs doomslayer

[valid ingot]

Well that's not how appeal works, they are going to a different government body to overturn the decision or whatever.
They could also just not sell Activision games in Britain

[candid solar]

Hard Doomslayer win.

10/10. Chief is actually pretty low on the Space Marine power scale.

[smoky token]

Yeah, easiest fight in the world

[valid ingot]

If Chief has a NOVA Bomb, Chief

But only then

[smoky token]

Literally hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[dry frigate]

Doomslayer lose

[candid solar]

Not even close unless you know nothing about both.

[dry frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/masterchief-master-chief-doom-doom-slayer-gif-26507308

[candid solar]

Doom Slayer literally held the line against an infinitely replenishing enemy for long enough without superpowers that he lost his mind.

And then he got superpowers, and did it even harder.

[smoky token]

They literally started to worship him

[candid solar]

Literally casually tanked punches from 50+ story tall monsters without caring at all.

[dry frigate]

Ha he needs super powers

[smoky token]

The immortal forces of literal Hell started to worship him

[valid ingot]

Still a better story than the Halo TV series

[fickle drift]

LOL, I think about it like this: The Covenant calls him "Demon". Doomslayer kills demons, right?

I'm on Chief's side, though.

[candid solar]

I mean, the alternative is Chief as an unaugmented child, because augmentations are superpowers.

So literally "Grown man who made killing demons his full time job versus slightly uppity teen"

[smoky token]

Better question: How would the Slayer fair if he was plopped down on the UNSC’s side in Halo? Assume he has his powers (minus the immortality for balance’s sake) but also is sane

[stoic rapids]

Early teen

[dry frigate]

Guys you are clueless

[candid solar]

You haven't made a defense besides insults to us, so.

[valid ingot]

Calling Augmentations superpowers is like calling Science Magic

[dry frigate]

Both the Chief And doom fight pathetic with their fists

[candid solar]

Magic is science.

[smoky token]

Nah hold on, let him cook

Let’s see what happens with his dish

[candid solar]

Telling yah now, he's gonna burn it.

[dry frigate]

How they fight is stupid and weak

[fickle drift]

Not really.

[dry frigate]

They fight yes

Pathetic

[valid ingot]

Solution: some just fires the Halo Rings and renders the fight mute. Win-win

[stoic rapids]

Goku could beat both anyways

[fickle drift]

I mean, Kat said she could easily punch a hole through Six's helmet... that's titanium.

[dry frigate]

They need to add kicks round kicks side kicks spin side spin 360 kick

[candid solar]

I kinda doubt she could in hindsight tbh.

Maybe the visor only.

[smoky token]

She also has a titanium arm, so maybe what she specifically said isn’t a good representation of every spartan?

[fickle drift]

Well, she's a Spartan III, Spartan IIs were better, right?

[valid ingot]

Atriox crushed a helmet. Perfectly possible

[fickle drift]

Yeah, that's true.

[smoky token]

Technically yes, practically not really

[smoky token]

Also the prime specimen of a Jiralhanae the galaxy over

[fickle drift]

Yeah. Fair point.

[candid solar]

It's unreliable to go off book feats or game feats for Halo tbh.

[dry frigate]

Master Chief needs to fight like me a black belt martial artist which is:Karate Taekwondo and Jujitzu

[smoky token]

He’s like twice the size of other brutes lol

[fickle drift]

LOL, true.

And he has quite a history.

I mean, he hunted Spartans.

[candid solar]

IIRC he's actually below standard brute sizes.

[candid solar]

That's... Not actually all that special, tbh.

He's one of a rogues gallery in Halo that's actually not that big.

[smoky token]

Atriox?

[candid solar]

Yes, weirdly enough.

He's pretty average in terms of size last I checked, unless that changed.

His weird aspect was his drive and unseeming physical strength, but he wasn't a Xytan.

Could probs body Tartarus though.

[fickle drift]

Yeah.

He's somethin'.

[dry frigate]

My instructor is Veteran Black belt trained since 11 years old and severed as a Marine like Master Chief for 14 years.

[smoky token]

If atriox was average wouldn’t that make tartarus ultra powerful?

[fickle drift]

Maybe.

[smoky token]

I mean, tartarus wasn’t small by brute standards

[candid solar]

I mean sizewise.

[smoky token]

Contact Harvest made that very clear

[candid solar]

Not actual ability wise.

[fickle drift]

But I thought Tartarus was rather skinny.

[smoky token]

Master Chief isn’t a marine

Was never a marine

[fickle drift]

Yeah.

[candid solar]

The only Spartans who were Marines were IVs.

[dry frigate]

Um search it brother

[candid solar]

Don't be a troll.

Because you're either very poorly informed, or trolling.

[fickle drift]

Chief wasn't ever a Marine.

[smoky token]

You’re talking to some of the most dedicated lore nerds the world over right now

Not to say that we are always right 100% of the time but like… come on

[fickle drift]

He's a non-commisioned officer.

[smoky token]

He did fight alongside marines plenty of times but he was Navy for most of his tenure

NAVSPECWAR, to be clear

[valid ingot]

Master Chief is Navy. The rank is Navy, SPARTAN II was under the Office of NAVAL Intelligence, and Spartan II Teams worked for NAVSPECWAR

[dry frigate]

Well at least I can fight better than the Chief

[fickle drift]

Yup.

[candid solar]

The man's title is literally a Naval rank. He was never a Marine. And if you knew anything about being one, you'd know your Gunny would be ripping your head off right now.

[fickle drift]

Indeed.

[smoky token]

I’ll take your word for it

[dry frigate]

Master Chief needs to know Martial arts

[candid solar]

He does. It's literally a solid chunk of his training.

[dry frigate]

To neat doom slayer

Beat

[valid ingot]

what do you think he learned on Reach for 8 years? Finger painting?

[smoky token]

It’s not a question of basic combat efficacy, Doom Guy is literally a walking god

[dry frigate]

No he doesn't all he throws are those pathetic haymakers

It may be strong but it's not how u fight

[smoky token]

Actually, Trench, aren’t all combat branches taught some martial arts during basic training? As part of hand to hand combat?

Or is that just something China likes to do for propaganda

[fickle drift]

Yup.

[candid solar]

Yes, even though the Air Force's is woefully inadequate.

[fickle drift]

XD.

[valid ingot]

Yes Combatives as they call it now

[dry frigate]

I could parry with both arms then manipulate his arms then do a blood choke and boom chief is dead

[candid solar]

There's general combatives trained by all Branches. The USMC takes pride in having its own 'special' one.

[dry frigate]

Dead

[fickle drift]

You do realize Chief could break your neck like a toothpick, right?

[candid solar]

... Not actually sure if that pride means much though, Marines are just generally prideful people.

[valid ingot]

You know Chief has reinforced bones right?

[smoky token]

Let’s put it this way

If Chuck Norris tried to do a roundhouse on Arnold Swarzenegger in his prime, he probably wouldn’t get very far

[fickle drift]

(Who taught this dude about Chief?)

[valid ingot]

Don't forget Spartan Time either...

[fickle drift]

Yeah.

[dry frigate]

Well my instructor always tells like always fight smarter not harder pal

[candid solar]

Both in their prime, I think Chuck might actually have great odds against Ahnold.

[dry frigate]

Know that

[fickle drift]

Even without MJOLNIR he could beat a non-augmented human.

[candid solar]

"Smarter" in this case is choosing not to pick a fight with a man who can snap your femur like a toothpick.

No matter what you do to him.

[dry frigate]

No

[smoky token]

Both in their prime maybe, but not today Chuck Norris

[fickle drift]

XD.

[dry frigate]

How u fight

[candid solar]

And I mean literally like a toothpick. Between his fingers.

[smoky token]

He has prep time though

[valid ingot]

Hey go watch the scene where ODSTs get murdered by teenage John

[fickle drift]

XD, I saw that.

[dry frigate]

U guys are goners when someone attacks u

[fickle drift]

Savage.

[smoky token]

You can win any fight with prep time

Superman coming for your head? Just lure him into a building made of kryptonite

[valid ingot]

First step to winning a fight is to avoid being in a situation where you forced to be in one

[candid solar]

Having been attacked, I know that's not true. Minus the time I got sucker punched with a vodka bottle.

That one I lost.

[smoky token]

Yeah that one looked nasty

[fickle drift]

Indeed.

[smoky token]

How has that healed btw? Well I hope?

[candid solar]

Concussion was the worst of it, no bone breakage or anything.

[smoky token]

That’s good

[fickle drift]

That's good.

[candid solar]

Ego might take a while to recover though.

[smoky token]

Lol

[fickle drift]

Mm, yeah.

[candid solar]

Except for when it comes to Halo lore stuff, I know more than most people here

That's healthier than ever

[dry frigate]

Say master chief does a haymaker I slip and uppercut his floating rib and punch his solar plexes so he has a breathing moment then I sidekick his knee and break it then I blood choke him and he's out in 5 second is dead in 8

[candid solar]

You realize you had your entire lower jaw ripped off at about step .5.

[fickle drift]

Dude.

[dry frigate]

No

[fickle drift]

He has unbreakable bones.

[smoky token]

Y’all are getting baited hard

[valid ingot]

What part of reinforced bones did you not understand

[fossil skiff]

[fickle drift]

FR.

[candid solar]

Eh, I'm mildly enjoying this. I know it's bait.

[smoky token]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[candid solar]

It's like saying an actual, living human has a chance of taking on Andre the Giant in a straight boxing match.

[dry frigate]

Oh I forgot one as to sweep him then hammer fist his throating knifehand or ridge hand it

[fickle drift]

XD, no REAL Halo fan could think that they can beat Chief in melee.

[candid solar]

We get it, you took a Taekwondo class in 2005.

[dry frigate]

No

[candid solar]

Oh, please tell me it wasn't Karate, the Dane Cook of martial arts.

[smoky token]

I took a taekwondo class in 2016

I’m a yellow belt 😎

[dry frigate]

2 years and a quater

[candid solar]

I took one for... Like. I think four or five years.

[smoky token]

Quater? Didn’t they host the world cup?

[candid solar]

Mostly won sparring medals at state tournaments because I didn't kick people, just got inside guards and punched them.

[dry frigate]

Lol

Kick bro

[candid solar]

Nah. Waste of energy and effort. Legs are for blocking the other idiot's kick.

[dry frigate]

Sweep the leg do a double leg take down

[fossil skiff]

I’m more of a siege warfare kind of person

[candid solar]

For the love of the Rings, stop being cringe.

[valid ingot]

"The candidate's bones are exposed via surgery or procedurally sequential surgeries. An advanced carbide ceramic material is grafted onto the skeletal structure to begin assimilation into the upper layers of the each individual bone. This results in the bones being virtually unbreakable. The coverage of this procedure does not exceed 3% total bone mass due to significant white blood cell necrosis: effectively, the carbide ceramic can only comprise a thin outer "shell" bonded to each bone without interfering with bone functionality as organs."

[dry frigate]

Do HIPTHROW

[fickle drift]

Dude.

[smoky token]

I fractured a kid’s knuckle on a block once

[fickle drift]

He would SNAP YOUR SPINE.

[candid solar]

Hell, an unarmored IV could.

[valid ingot]

Can we get a spine snapping gif in here?

[smoky token]

He tried to punch me after a sparring match (he was a sore loser) and i blocked it, he ended up fracturing his knuckle because of the ankle

[fickle drift]

XD.

[smoky token]

https://tenor.com/view/albi-back-breaker-mk11-terminator-mortal-kombat11-mortal-kombat-gif-20466516

[candid solar]

Not an X ray, shameful

[dry frigate]

Also I love using weapon training knifes and worse dagger shurikens no staffs and learning front and backflipd

[fickle drift]

It'd be worse than that, though, right?

[hushed vine]

How's everyone's day going?

[smoky token]

There are none in tenor 😭

[fickle drift]

Pretty good, and yours?

[candid solar]

... Okay, maybe not trolling, but definitely a mall ninja of some variety.

[dry frigate]

We do weapon training swords daggers knifes nunchucks staffs and etc

[smoky token]

Ninja school

[fickle drift]

LMAO.

[candid solar]

Not sure if that's better or worse.

[fossil skiff]

Blart. Paul Blart.

[fickle drift]

Worse for sure.

[hushed vine]

Pretty decent, just hopped on the MCC, gonna wait a bit to see if someone wants to join, but if not will probably just play through Halo 3 solo

[fickle drift]

Cool, cool.

[valid ingot]

Invite Sam to Halo 3. Rumor is Sam never played it

[dry frigate]

And plus if someone dares attacks me it's night night for them

[smoky token]

What if I try and kill you with a gun

[dry frigate]

U throw a dagger at their vein and run

No lega

[fickle drift]

M41 can handle you, dude.

[smoky token]

What if I try and kill you with a gun from 50 meters away

[fossil skiff]

Are you looking for someone in campaign or multiplayer?

[dry frigate]

Fine

[smoky token]

What if I try and kill you with a M249

[dry frigate]

Fine I'll

[smoky token]

Accuracy by volume style

[fickle drift]

XD.

[hushed vine]

Campaign, specifically on legendary, but willing to turn down the dificulty if the oher person wants

[fickle drift]

What about that rifle that actually has no rounds? The sonic one?

[valid ingot]

Nah nah, use an M73

[smoky token]

Not familiar

[dry frigate]

Shoot his leg with my now and then I'll run and towards him break his hands both of them then I the police

[fossil skiff]

Oh okay. #lfg-campaign might help if you haven’t already tried it yet

[dry frigate]

With a bow

[smoky token]

What if I shoot you first

[candid solar]

...

[hushed vine]

I have messaged there, thank you for letting me know though

[dry frigate]

I'll suck and shoot u in the bous

[valid ingot]

LMG seen in Halo Reach concept art. Someone ended up modding it into the game though.

[candid solar]

Honestly, if this isn't trolling, it's honestly just sad.

[fickle drift]

About the sonic rifle? That's not the real name for it.

[dry frigate]

Duck not suck

[candid solar]

Hard Sound Rifle.

[fickle drift]

Yup!

That one!

[sour gate]

has anyone seen the video of the irl m90 shotgun?

[dry frigate]

I'll duck and shoot u in the boys

[viral hull]

No

[hushed vine]

Though likely to not find many people if anyone at this time of night lol

[fossil skiff]

Yep. Pretty cool.

[dry frigate]

Hmm

[smoky token]

No, but why use literally anything over a Benelli M4?

[candid solar]

It seems interesting, but... I mean, it's also 12/10 gauge, isn't it?

I'd be more interested in a Bulldog clone as of late.

[smoky token]

10? Jeez

[fickle drift]

The shotguns are 8 gauge.

[candid solar]

But I'm weird and like drum mag shotties.

[smoky token]

Y’know the Doom super shotgun is 3 gauge?

lol

[candid solar]

I'm talking about the simulacrum.

[fickle drift]

Dang.

[smoky token]

I’d like to see a mjolnir suit try and take a 3 gauge

[sour gate]

3 gauge??

[dry frigate]

Master Chief needs martial arta

[fickle drift]

Oh, OK.

[fossil skiff]

Would certainly be a fun Banished weapon

[candid solar]

I am silently crying in happiness that you didn't ask me what a simulacrum was.

[dry frigate]

Guess my name 1 try and I have to say I'm pathetic and weak

If I lose

[smoky token]

Hayden

[dry frigate]

No

[smoky token]

Drat

[candid solar]

Your name is Not Important.

[dry frigate]

Hint it means John

[smoky token]

Jonas

[dry frigate]

Bruh I said means

[valid ingot]

MasterChief1663#0901

[dry frigate]

It means John

[smoky token]

Juozas

[dry frigate]

And no

I'll never guess

You'll

Right

[candid solar]

Also, it's only the M90 and M45 lines (And possibly the DTM line?) that are 8 Gauge. The Bulldog is 12 Gauge.

[dry frigate]

Give up? Easily?

[sour gate]

feel bad for the marines stuck firing those

[smoky token]

Caleb

[dry frigate]

Bro no

Ok I'm saying it

[candid solar]

Tomfoolery indeed.

[fickle drift]

Ohh. I didn't know that. That explains a lot about its power.

[dry frigate]

It's starts with a Z

[smoky token]

Eh, better to have a sore arm than one that’s been cut off by an energy sword

[valid ingot]

They loved it. That one retired Marine in the Halo 3 Believe Campaign said it was his choice of weapon

[sour gate]

cant argue with that

[sour gate]

haha i remember him

[dry frigate]

Hmm titan give up?

[candid solar]

I'm sure that Marine who lost his arm below the elbow from a Brute Spiker's blades after hitting a Brute with a shotty feels the same.

[fickle drift]

XD.

[dry frigate]

Ok my name is (blamk)lol

Just joking its

None ya

[smoky token]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1104552937780416566/1104584233541972028/9B4851C1-951A-48F0-8A9C-0F9A43557CFD.gif

[fickle drift]

LMAO.

[smoky token]

I’m sorry, that’s mean

[dry frigate]

It's Zane what is that a name you've never heard of?

[sour gate]

i knew a zane

still in hs from what i recall

[dry frigate]

Zane means John so I am Master Chief

[fickle drift]

Nope. I've heard that one.

[dry frigate]

Just joking lom

[candid solar]

Ilsa Zane moment

[fickle drift]

Hm. Suuuure.

[smoky token]

She was the crazy chick that hijacked Infinity right?

[candid solar]

Dinh's honestly straight up the cutest Spartan ever in Halo

[dry frigate]

O need Chief serum then boo. I would destroy the chief

[candid solar]

Yes

[smoky token]

honestly

i love him

[dry frigate]

If I had chief serum i would win

[candid solar]

You'd likely die wracked in complete agony while it twisted your bones and nerves into a cornucopia because Halsey is actually pretty incompetent.

[fossil skiff]

Dinh book when?

[sour gate]

I like Kurt-081 simplu becausw he's am 8ft spartan

[candid solar]

I'm writing one where him and my MP Spartan fall in love and do cute things together

[dry frigate]

No you guys need to listen the. Talk more often

[fickle drift]

So was Sam.

Sam-034.

[dry frigate]

Listen less talk

[smoky token]

Rest In Peace, you beautiful man

wait

ok nvm

[fickle drift]

Woah hey what

[candid solar]

We need a canonically gay Spartan couple tbh

[sour gate]

sam was 7 ft but he died really young(14) and kurt was 41 so it's likely sam wouldve towered

[fickle drift]

You can’t bypass the filter

[candid solar]

Coupla IVs, total besties

[fickle drift]

Set an example lol

[fickle drift]

Ohh. OK.

[dry frigate]

Oh my goodness this chatvlol

[fickle drift]

NO!

NO gay Spartans.

[candid solar]

...

[sour gate]

hiiiiiiiii

[smoky token]

Dinh x Trenchbird

[candid solar]

Why not?

[candid solar]

Please canonize it 343, I have the best Spartan ever.

[sour gate]

lesbian spartans

[smoky token]

I’ll go and talk to Phil Spencer and see what I can do

[candid solar]

Lmao

[fickle drift]

That just is kinda wrong. Spartans don't normally have attachments to others like that.

[crude marsh]

That would be cute

[dry frigate]

No GLBTQ gangs thank u

[candid solar]

IVs.

[smoky token]

Spartan IIs dont*

[valid ingot]

Given the conflict of interest and the need to maintain military standards, no, Spartans cannot be in love with one another except if they were in a prior relationship before becoming Spartans.

[smoky token]

what do you mean?

[dry frigate]

Bro

[fickle drift]

He's saying no thanks to gay Spartans.

[valid ingot]

Upon approval of an exception to policy of course by the relevant UNSC Human Resources Command

[fickle drift]

Like I am.

[candid solar]

Actually, that's almost never really an issue unless it causes workplace disturbances or is proven to cause troubles in command.

[sour gate]

spartan 4's aren't as mentally scared as 2's (maybe 3's?)

[fossil skiff]

Alpha Nine…

[uneven hill]

Arent modern ones just mostly human

[fickle drift]

They were ODST.

[smoky token]

There had to have been at least one bromance in Alpha-9

[smoky token]

Most (all?) became spartans

[sour gate]

wait really? i assumed it was no relationships under any circumstances

[fickle drift]

Have we forgotten about black team

[smoky token]

They were more like siblings

[candid solar]

Most ODSTs were not made into Spartans. In fact, an overwhelming minority were made into Spartans.

[valid ingot]

Spartan IIs were all siblings essentially

[sour gate]

would that mean odsts are like a pre spartan program

[candid solar]

Many IVs were ODSTs, but most ODST were not made into IVs.

[fickle drift]

That’s not what the whole love triangle with Victor Otto and Margaret was about

[smoky token]

No

[valid ingot]

Otherwise you will start a war with the Kelly vs Linda debate

[smoky token]

I was specifically talking about Alpha-9

[fickle drift]

What about them?

[obsidian solar]

The pre spartan program was the Orion project

[candid solar]

Nope. It's gently frowned upon at times, but if there's no actual workplace drama that causes a hampering mission issue, it's not considered a problem.

[fickle drift]

Did Romeo go Spartan? I know Buck and Dutch did.. right?

They all did

[candid solar]

It's also not considered a problem if, say, the pair was the same rank.

[fickle drift]

Including Gretchen

[crude marsh]

May I ask what book this is from cause I’ll love to read it lol

[smoky token]

Mickey I know went and defected after becoming a spartan

[valid ingot]

Insurrectionist scumbag

[sour gate]

i meant unofficially since so many odsf joined the spartan program

[valid ingot]

Its majorily frowned upon in more tightnit units, especially special forces

[candid solar]

IVs have been everything from pilots to civilian ambassador-linguist contractors with a military history to ODSTs to Army Snipers.

[fickle drift]

I forgot the name of it, I’m no help on that but a google search might help

[valid ingot]

Evolutions

[candid solar]

The At Times is more of an issue. But I assure you from canon precedent that Halo apparently doesn't consider it an issue.

[valid ingot]

It was a short story in Halo Evolutions, don't remember which volume

[fickle drift]

Thanks

[candid solar]

For example, Gretchen and Dutch are married and both IVs in the same unit. Unless the UNSC is somehow incredibly regressive, I don't see why it'd be an issue for anyone else.

[valid ingot]

I mean instead they killed off Black Team off frame

[candid solar]

Gretchen and Dutch.

[smoky token]

I mean… they are a hyper imperialist anocracy

[candid solar]

Hell, Buck and Dare.

[valid ingot]

They were likely married prior, I believe

[smoky token]

I don’t expect them to be particularly progressive

[candid solar]

They were both Special Forces when they got married anyways.

[valid ingot]

Dare isn't a Spartan

[latent vortex]

How would you all feel able adding a "General" Forum?

[candid solar]

She is special forces.

[valid ingot]

Dare is ONI

[smoky token]

Still a workplace relationship

[candid solar]

And works a lot with Spartans in their chain of command.

[valid ingot]

Buck was Spartan Branch

[candid solar]

And took orders from Dare.

[valid ingot]

Spartan Branch is independent from ONI

[fickle drift]

Dare is still a spook but is married to Buck I think

[valid ingot]

They literally married like, after Earth fell to Cortana

[candid solar]

Clearly not, if Spartans with ONI symbols are running around and ONI is confirmed to have multiple Spartans in their ranks doing shady stuff for them.

It's "Independent" in the same way Noble Team was "Independent".

[valid ingot]

Locke was an ONI Agent to begin with

[sour gate]

ONI not having it's fingers in something is like expecting a child not to touch something

[candid solar]

But he's Spartan branch now.

[fickle drift]

And Kilo-Five? Naomi?

[candid solar]

Either way, it's getting off the point that clearly the UNSC has no issue with couples in the same unit provided it doesn't hamper combat effectiveness.

[latent vortex]

Yo homies, just added a thread you may be interested in checking out

Not a problem either way haha, just wanting to let you know 🙂

I see ya'll having a good discussion about some Halo lore

[valid ingot]

I've still seen him referred to as Agent, idk.

[valid ingot]

ONI, NAVSPECWAR

[candid solar]

He's still Spartan Branch. He's called "Spartan Locke" by some.

[candid solar]

Either way, biiiiig thing here, precedent.

[fickle drift]

Is she naval intelligence or still spartan branch

[valid ingot]

Naomi? NAVSPECWAR

All Spartan IIs are still under NAVSPECWAR, so Navy

[fickle drift]

Alright

[smoky token]

Are they?

I thought the Spartan branch was it’s own thing entirely

[valid ingot]

Yeah, they were never integrated into Spartan Branch

Navy refused to hand them over

Most likely, at least

[smoky token]

I don’t think that’s true

[candid solar]

Spartan IIs typically fall under ONI jurisdiction under Section Three, but not always.

[valid ingot]

"However, the surviving Spartan-IIs and select Spartan-IIIs remain in the UNSC Navy branch's Special Forces."

[candid solar]

As for the IIs remaining Navy, that was mostly a personal choice.

(And personally a weird one that seems mostly tailor made to having Chief keep his silly title)

[valid ingot]

Nah it makes sense

[candid solar]

But then the "Spartan Commander John" doesn't roll off the tongue quite right.

[valid ingot]

No military branch would want to give up a capability to another

[candid solar]

It's the none of them that bothers me, even when the branch is literally formed by one.

The IIs aren't a branch.

[valid ingot]

IIs are under Navy Command

[smoky token]

People would still call him Master Chief, let’s be real

I mean, he’s a marketable figure, canonically

[candid solar]

Yes, I said that, you said that.

[smoky token]

They made toys of him

[valid ingot]

The Navy wouldnt give them to the Spartan Branch

[candid solar]

It was largely a personal decision to remain. They were given the chance.

[valid ingot]

Spartan IVs didn't exist until the Spartan Branch existed

[smoky token]

I think it was phrased more as a choice that the twos decided on than the navy’s decision as a whole

[candid solar]

^

The IIs were given the choice to jump to the Spartan Branch and none took it.

[fickle drift]

How many IIs even exist at the time of Infinite?

[valid ingot]

Did they really have much of a choice though?

[candid solar]

"The active Spartan-IIs were given the choice of "pulling together" the remaining Spartan-IIIs and integrating them into the SPARTAN-IV program."

Sounds like they had complete personal choice in the matter.

[smoky token]

like, 4 or 5 squads?

[fickle drift]

Mm, OK.

[valid ingot]

Besides Blue Team: Chief was still on ice, Grey team was on ice, Naomi was with Kilo-5, Red Team on the Spirit of Fire...

Black Team completely unmentioned

[smoky token]

The spartans are all legendary and highly respected members of the UNSC

[fickle drift]

Indeed.

[candid solar]

It's also a branch named Spartan Branch, lmao.

[smoky token]

Every single one was considered a war hero and had a lot of autonomy

[fickle drift]

Yeah.

They're legendary.

[smoky token]

Hell, Chief was offered the rank of admiral by Lord Hood, no strings attached

[candid solar]

It's more the fact that literally all of them said no, even Naomi. It's weird that they all did.

[valid ingot]

But there was only like Blue Team and Black Team around to be offered the choice

[candid solar]

Still got offered.

[valid ingot]

The teams would all obviously stick together

[candid solar]

And I'd assume it's not a closed offer either.

[fickle drift]

Who's in Black Team, again?

[candid solar]

I still find it amusing that the UNSC Air Force primarily supported the early IV program.

Props to the UNSC Air Force for knowing a good thing when it sees it.

[fickle drift]

And, what happened to Grey Team?

Agreed.

[candid solar]

They nuked a planet.

[valid ingot]

NOVA Bombed Glyke

[fickle drift]

Oh.

[valid ingot]

They lived, but ship damaged

[candid solar]

And now they work with the Swords of Sanghelios in penance instead of being executed, and they frankly dodged a bullet for that.

[valid ingot]

Went into Cryo

[smoky token]

Wasn’t Glyke basically the covvie equivalent of Harvest?

[candid solar]

Kinda.

[smoky token]

Massive breadbasket colony?

[candid solar]

Yep.

[valid ingot]

Glyke had several billion Elites on it

[fickle drift]

Dang.

[smoky token]

Also kill Wattinree

[fickle drift]

That's a lot of Split-lips.

[smoky token]

or however you spell his name

And an entire covenant fleet of 200+ ships

[valid ingot]

Grey Team have the highest K/D

[candid solar]

I still maintain that Arbiter would've totally been within his rights to tell the UNSC that the only way peace could be achieved would be the execution of Gray team, and the UNSC would've politically had to acquiesce.

[smoky token]

Whitcomb’s Investment, coining that name for the event right now

Someone put it up on Halopedia

[fickle drift]

Interesting.

[smoky token]

Did he know?

[valid ingot]

What?
HAHAHA
ONI would never

NEVER let that happen

[fickle drift]

What happened to 'Vadum?? Did he, like, vanish?

XD, ONI loves their secrets.

[candid solar]

Doesn't matter if they'd "never".

[pliant hatch]

they would, but it would be fake

[rugged path]

Yes,yes,yes

[candid solar]

Can't do much about "Never" when a Covenant energy sword is through someone's chest.

[fickle drift]

LOL.

[valid ingot]

ONI literally started the Elite Civil War. They wouldn't care what the Arbiter wanted about a Spartan 2 team.

[smoky token]

Not really

[candid solar]

And ONI's assets gave the Arbiter a golden opportunity to reunite under a banner and curb stomp them.

[smoky token]

Arby knows where he is, he was basically given the assignment of making sure the Shadow of Intent stays out of enemy hands

Don’t ask me why the ship is so important

[candid solar]

They're lucky he's more dedicated to peace than they are.

[fickle drift]

Cool.

Yup, for sure.

[smoky token]

Arby would learn about the UEG’s highest journalistic honor

Courtesy of one Locke

[rugged path]

UNSC

[candid solar]

Crying about their worlds getting glassed because Spartan Teams just gave them a golden reason to buddy back up?

[valid ingot]

Can't wait for ONI to poison Sangheilos's crops

[candid solar]

Even if you killed Arby that'd still make for a Martyrdom moment.

[valid ingot]

Let's not forget Thel has just as much blood on his hands glassing numerous colonies

[candid solar]

Like, half the reason ONI was even trying that is because they knew a fractitious Covenant was the best way to keep humanity alive.

[smoky token]

Yeah, about that…

[fickle drift]

Wait, I thought the Elites were at peace with the Humans?

Did I miss something?

[candid solar]

Only the Swords of Sanghelios.

[smoky token]

I mean

yeah

[candid solar]

And various smaller orgs aligned or unaligned with them, but largely neutral or friendly.

[fickle drift]

Ohh. OK.

[smoky token]

plus or minus some other miscellaneous splinter factions loosely allied with the Swords

[fickle drift]

Mm, okie.

[candid solar]

It's a mistake to think of Halo species as unified factions.

Like people, they can have wildly different idealogies.

[valid ingot]

Huragok

[fickle drift]

Yeah. That makes sense.

What happened to them?

[candid solar]

They're engineered. They don't count and also have slightly different personalities.

[smoky token]

The Flood

[valid ingot]

^

[fickle drift]

Ah.

[smoky token]

Yanme’e

[candid solar]

Is a hivemind.

[valid ingot]

It is a species

[candid solar]

A literal hivemind.

You are all splitting hairs and you know it.

[fickle drift]

XD, yup.

[smoky token]

[valid ingot]

Humans who don't live on Venezia or Gao

[smoky token]

I still find the fact that there’s only two major human factions in Halo a bit silly

[candid solar]

I'm sure Kodiak and Buck would get along famously with how they feel about Sangheili relations.

Nothing at all like oil and water.

[fickle drift]

What? The Innies and the UNSC?

[candid solar]

Three, technically.

[smoky token]

Name the third

[rare cedar]

Are the insurrectionist’s like a non-factor now?

[candid solar]

Innies, UEG, and Gao's little empire.

[timid crane]

I cry

[valid ingot]

There is the UNSC, then a bunch of Innie factions

[fickle drift]

Ah.

[smoky token]

Is Gao the one from Envoy?

[candid solar]

The ones who made a production level plasma cannon.

[valid ingot]

Gao, Venezia, and the New Colonial Alliance

[candid solar]

And big delta winged troop transport aircraft.

[valid ingot]

Gao Battlejumpers

[smoky token]

3 then, I consider Venezia part of the Insurrectionists, and I’m not familiar with Gao really

I remember the brief mention in 5 but can’t remember what media they are from

[candid solar]

Venezia's more a pirate port IMO.

Than an Innie faction.

[valid ingot]

Gao... claims to be part of the UEG, but also acts against the UNSC

[smoky token]

Which is even more minor, really, since it’s not like they are all one big unified crime syndicate or cartel

[valid ingot]

Semi independent state, Gao is.

Or... was I should say

[candid solar]

That's kinda the issue with Innies. They're "Whatever faction has humans and a need to get punched in the face by the UNSC".

[valid ingot]

Halo is about killing aliens, not Humans

[smoky token]

That’s true actually

[candid solar]

And this entire discussion started because I want Dinh to be in a gay relationship with my absolutely perfect Halo Infinite Build-A-Spartan.

[fickle drift]

Yeah.

[candid solar]

:>

[smoky token]

cute

[candid solar]

I'm so based.

[smoky token]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/969795863163600906/973439650716852254/IMG_9751.jpg

[candid solar]

Big friend.

[fickle drift]

That is a big frog, XD.

[valid ingot]

Nah more like MastetChief1663 pulling us all from Stellaris talk

[candid solar]

Cane Toads. Though, Toads are frogs.

[fickle drift]

Very cool.

[rare cedar]

What the heck is that

Is that a Toad

[fickle drift]

LMAO, yeah.

[candid solar]

I just said it :C

[pliant hatch]

invasive species

[smoky token]

It is a friend

[rare cedar]

[smoky token]

[candid solar]

Moderator decisions apparently happened there and I shan't discuss how amusing I find them.

[smoky token]

I still need to get better at Stellaris

[candid solar]

I'm just saying

Robots don't need to worry about instability

And plus, you get to be a cool robot

[smoky token]

one of those games where you are still much closer to being a beginner than someone of novice or intermediate level even with 100 hours

[smoky token]

i mean

incorrect, in stellaris

[candid solar]

I've never really had an issue with robot stability.

Maybe I'm just good at the game.

[valid ingot]

Just be a normal, xenophobic empire of Humans

[smoky token]

Imperium of Man

[valid ingot]

Don't let any other species in

Don't build robots

[candid solar]

Only in some places. That one's clearly a pet.

[valid ingot]

Expand super wide

[smoky token]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1085123564832821268/1104970443523362827/image.png

See those green guys at the very bottom left?

I am going to kill them and take that entire area from the far east (I am the yellow bit) over to the galactic core

It will be mine

[valid ingot]

Oh I see the UNSC in there now

[candid solar]

TIL Cane Toads that were introduced to Louisiana mostly died

What's amusing is, multiple releases to Florida failed.

[smoky token]

Oh yeah someone made a UNSC empire which got chosen as an AI empire

[candid solar]

But what made the Cane Toad invasive to Florida was an accidental release in Miami in 1957.

... Apparently one of the rewards on Gamepass right now is a Walmart+ membership?

[fickle drift]

XD.

That's weird.

[candid solar]

Hmn.

Fair enough, bot.

Anyways, apparently my housemate thought "Yeah you can have the Chicken" meant he could have my plant-based chicken.

Which... Is bad, because that's not what I meant and it's about $4 more expensive than a bag half the size.

And he nearly ate two whole bags.

By himself, in one sitting.

Which is about $24 of food.

That... I was rationing, because I'm on a diet.

[smoky token]

Is this the same housemate as before

[candid solar]

Yes, but he actually legitimately thought it was normal chicken.

Which is weird, you can totally taste the difference.

[fickle drift]

Has he never tasted normal chicken or is he just into soy?

[candid solar]

And it literally says it isn't chicken.

[smoky token]

I’ve never had… what, veggie chicken?

[smoky token]

what does this mean?

[candid solar]

I mean, it's not wrong to say it's got soy into it. Might be reading to much into it.

I usually don't eat soy products, if that was the intended insinuation. I usually eat fish and salad.

Better diet for running.

[fickle drift]

Plant based chicken is usually soy and wheat flour/gluten and a bunch of spices to make up for the god awful creation that is...plant based anything.

You can taste the difference easily.

[candid solar]

It's not as bad as it used to be.

[smoky token]

I like plant based “meat” a lot actually

If there’s an impossible burger on a menu, I’ll always take it over a normal burger

[candid solar]

It's not like the old Tofu craze sort of garbage, they actually got a lot better at flavoring it.

[fickle drift]

Eh.

[smoky token]

Tofu is garbage but there are a lot of good plant based meats

[candid solar]

I've tasted them side by side. It's definitely noticeable. Not bad, but it is noticeable.

[fickle drift]

All this plant-based stuff isn't bad but it IS weird.

[candid solar]

He might've just thought it was a weird blend or something.

[rare cedar]

I cooked plant based beef and never will I cook that again in my house. The smell was god awful and it tasted like crap

[candid solar]

I buy a lot of weird things because I like to have a varied diet.

Just one usually focused around fish and vegetables.

[smoky token]

To each their own I suppose, was it Impossible branded or some other thing?

[rare cedar]

I think so

It was when Covid first hit and everyone bought out the meat

And toilet paper

[fickle drift]

I'll stick to eating meat. Plant based products aren't going to increase my lifespan so...I'll enjoy my farm animals.

XD.

[smoky token]

My own mother was one of the people who did that

[fickle drift]

Same.

[candid solar]

Not saying I don't eat meat. Even not-fish meat.

[smoky token]

Actually, plant based meat is far healthier for your heart and other parts of your cardiovascular system!

But more expensive, unfortunately

[candid solar]

^ That's pretty much why. Heart disease runs in my family and I'd rather hedge my bets by running 10 miles every other day and eating well.

[smoky token]

As the industry grows I hope that falls untrue because plant based meat is a lot more sustainable than regular meat

By about 40% iirc

I would have to double check though

It used a helluva lot less water, that’s for sure

And land

[candid solar]

I'm more mad about the money than anything tbh. That stuff's expensive, even if I rarely actually eat it outside of the odd "Friday and want to have something dipped in Honey Mustard".

[smoky token]

And is infinitely more ethical

I would go vegan if I didn’t like bacon so much honestly… and if the stuff wasn’t to expensive

[candid solar]

Like, the same amount of regular chicken is double the calories, but also half the cost, for the same amount.

[fickle drift]

Everyone can have their opinions and studies on this. I've read up on the debates and honestly, like every new study from eggs do this but eggs do that sort of thing, what works for you can kill the person next to you.

[candid solar]

Bodies are all different. But the thing is, it's not that different.

[smoky token]

It’s not really an opinion though, the bits in normal packaged meat are objectively far less healthy than plant based meat

[candid solar]

Unless you have a lethal allergy to something like nuts of shellfish.

It'll be a cold day in hell before I drink Soylent though.

I really don't see the appeal of drinkable meals.

[smoky token]

I’m trying to think of a good analogy for this but it’s 1 AM and I’m running on fumes

[fickle drift]

Van Vliet and colleagues compared 190 molecules in plant-based meat alternatives with grass-fed ground beef and found that 90 per cent of them were different. Plant-based meat alternatives lacked certain amino acids and derivatives, like creatine, taurine and anserine, “which can all have an impact on our health and potentially brain function as well as muscle function,” he says.

They also tend to have more sodium...which is bad.

[smoky token]

I’m not denying that traditional meat isn’t necessary for health, it absolutely is, but there are more sustainable ways to get it than with packaged burgers

[fickle drift]

But hey, eat what you want I don't care in the slightest. I don't judge people for whatever they want to do. If it works, great.

[smoky token]

That quote also omits the fact that there are a lot of nutrients in plant based meat that you can’t get from traditional meat

[fickle drift]

Which you get from the other parts of your traditional meal.

[uneven hill]

you can get those from vegetables

[smoky token]

Yeah

[fickle drift]

"Diets that substituted animal products with the plant-based alternative were below the daily recommendations for vitamin B12, calcium, potassium, zinc and magnesium, and higher in sodium, sugar and saturated fat."

[smoky token]

I wonder how that study compared the opposite way

[candid solar]

Should probably link it instead of quoting from it.

[fickle drift]

"Unintended Consequences: Nutritional Impact and Potential Pitfalls of Switching from Animal- to Plant-Based Foods"

[candid solar]

Emphasis on link it.

[fickle drift]

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/13/8/2527

[candid solar]

That way everyone is unambiguously on the same page.

[smoky token]

“Frequent red and processed meat intake is linked to greater risks of cardiovascular disease and cancer”

This is my main concern about red meat, specifically

And many people’s concerns

[fickle drift]

You have to change the type of meat you eat...red meat isn't all meat.

Look at fitness guys, how they down chicken.

Turkey is a good meat too

[smoky token]

There’s also the ethical and sustainability concerns, specifically the fact that plant based meat uses around 40-60% less water and land than farming traditional meat

which also accounts for a lot less energy by proxy of using less of both

[candid solar]

This study isn't really telling me much I haven't seen before.

Which... Isn't to say it's wrong, but some of the parts explicitly point out that regular meat isn't actually necessary for a properly planned vegetarian diet.

[fickle drift]

Farming is the least concerning thing. Manufacturing of wasteful garbage and pollution from China/India are more worrisome.

[uneven hill]

makes sense since fake plant based meat is essentially proccessed junk fod

[smoky token]

Beans account for a lot of what meat can give you

[candid solar]

You can be concerned about both.

[uneven hill]

you'd be better off just going actual vegan...

[smoky token]

Source?

[uneven hill]

the source of.... reality?

[smoky token]

Yes.

[uneven hill]

it's a processed patty of food with salt added and other chemicals

[smoky token]

So is red meat

[uneven hill]

no?

[smoky token]

Everything is processed before it gets to your local grocery store

[uneven hill]

?

[smoky token]

Doesn’t mean it’s junk

[candid solar]

That's literally the reason I stopped eating at most Fast Food.

[fickle drift]

If you buy cheap meat maybe...but decent grade meat isn't full of processed garbage.

[uneven hill]

you don't think that those pretend burger patties full of preservatives and salt is processed?

huh?????????

[smoky token]

No, it absolutely is

Every bit of food I’ve ever bought has been processed

[uneven hill]

what do you consider processed

[candid solar]

Unless you killed, skinned, and prepped it yourself, it's processed.

[uneven hill]

lol

[candid solar]

And technically, that's still processing it.

[uneven hill]

bruh

so you may as well eat mcdonalds because you count a steak as "processed"

[fickle drift]

That is stretching the word to a literal sense. Generally grass fed meat isn't pumped up with additives and other nonsense.

[uneven hill]

i'm not sure what value your definition of processed has for anything

[smoky token]

Has been treated, manufactured, or otherwise prepared in a factory or some sort of other mass production facility (according to FDA guidelines, if you are in the US) for general sale

[candid solar]

No, processing is a very broad category that's pretty much everything short of literally picking a berry off a branch and eating it on the spot.

[uneven hill]

whats the point of that definition

[smoky token]

It’s… what you asked for?

Lol?

[uneven hill]

then i asked what the point is

[fickle drift]

You're changing the argument. That isn't his point, clearly....

[uneven hill]

you have no different between KFC and a piece of free range chicken breast

which is like... lol?

[smoky token]

You’re the one who made that claim originally

[uneven hill]

obviously in my head i differential between minimally processed food and food that is mostly its natural state

[candid solar]

Both are processed, but both are different. I don't see how Titan's contradicting it, but just clarified that it's all processed, so you need to be more specific with your claims.

[uneven hill]

you just said "well everything is processed imo" so i guess just live off oreos

[fickle drift]

I said it wasn't processed in terms of how vegan garbage is. Not that it isn't ya know, chopped at a facility. FFS.

[smoky token]

it's a processed patty of food with salt added and other chemicals

So is everything else you have ever bought at the grocery store, minus the salt

[candid solar]

That's literally processed, the product.

[uneven hill]

what is the argument here

[smoky token]

Vegan food is objectively healthier for you

[uneven hill]

that no food isn't better than another because it's all "processed"

i just don't understand the argument

[candid solar]

That literally everything cooked and sold is a processed product, so it's effectively a meaningless criticism buzzword.

[uneven hill]

vegan food is "processed"

[smoky token]

Yes.

Correct.

[uneven hill]

so how could it be healthy

we just decided all food is processed so it's all the same

[smoky token]

If I go to the store right now, grab a cucumber, and take a bite out of it, is it unhealthy?

[fickle drift]

Unwashed, maybe.

[uneven hill]

it was processed at the cucumber factory so

[fickle drift]

Lord knows the chemicals sprayed on at the farm too

[smoky token]

Yeah, where it was treated to make sure there’s no E. Coli or any other dangerous bacteria on it

[candid solar]

No, that's what you're getting out of it, because... Y'know, I'm not sure if you're getting the point that Titan's saying, and I'm trying to imply.

[uneven hill]

i said that those fake plant patties aren't that healthy since it's essentially junk food

then he said that nothing is unprocessed

[fickle drift]

Which is true.

[uneven hill]

which, leads us to one conclusion

[smoky token]

Which is objectively wrong

[uneven hill]

that everything is unhealthy and processed

there is no other reason to make his argument

[fickle drift]

It has sodium packed in like hungry man tv dinners...so

[smoky token]

Alright, no, too tired for this

[uneven hill]

the logical conclusion from "everything is processed and therefore this processed junk isn't bad" is that we should all just not bother

[candid solar]

Calling something processed is effectively a meaningless distinction buzzword because all food is processed. If the fake patty has elements that make it unhealthy, because it's a shoddily made plant product, then yes, it's unhealthy. If it's one that is not a shoddy product, then it's healthy.

[uneven hill]

and eat kfc and burger king

otherwise his argument did nothing to make me think processed fake plant food is healthy

[candid solar]

... Because sometimes it isn't, sometimes it is.

[fickle drift]

Eh. Plant-based "meat" is called impossible for a reason.

[smoky token]

Ok, now that that’s settled, I am going to bed

It is 1 AM and I have to work

[fickle drift]

See ya.

G'Night

[candid solar]

End of the day, I want my $16 back.

At least he didn't eat my shrimp or salmon I guess, and I needed to get new food tomorrow anyways because I'm out of lettuce.

[tribal marlin]

all my teammates suck on infinite quick play

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[crude furnace]

actually there's this new thing called solar foods..

because you could ask the question if being vegan is actually better for the environment (some bro called George did a Ted talk about it)

[lime lagoon]

My favorite moment in CE,
The Chad captain Keyes vs loser marine
Marine: oh no they locked the grav lift were screwed man! Were screwed
Alpha male keyes: stow the bellyaching soldier your a leatherneck, cortona are there any ships docked that we can hijack to escape

[sterile root]

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