halo-discussion

[spare finch]

anyway, I hope 343 adds a coating similar to platinum anniversary because it's kinda unfair to those who want platinum anniversary to not be able to get it

[crystal iron]

I took those days for granted and I am sad.

[onyx latch]

I can't imagine thinking like that. Sounds gross.

[weak jackal]

They’ll probably add one on each significant anniversary

It’ll be the 25th soon so they’ll probably do it again

[onyx latch]

Like the nostalgic version of a wet saint bernard trying to get in through a cat door.

[spare finch]

it's especially unfair because less than 10% of players knew about halo infinite's release during that week

[spare finch]

yeesssss they need to readd platinum anniversary

that's 2026 though

[crystal iron]

I wish they would give us OG players something 😢

[vale swallow]

I have stopped understanding the halo ranking system after Halo 2. Those moons were legit.
Now, it feels like a 100 rank system that keeps resetting after each season. It's very military oriented.
I miss the days when it was more of a video game. Perhaps I am too old to enjoy things.... woe is me.

[crystal iron]

No we are definitely too old. The Halo 2 ranks were the best. Like I said, nothing will top those ranks.

[spare finch]

career rank: laughs in overall progress that doesn't reset

[onyx latch]

"Nothing will top" is a hell of an opinion to have.

Can't say I can ever respect that sort of take, really.

[vale swallow]

I do not understand.

[crystal iron]

@onyx latch I don't think you have played the OG OG games and not the remakes that they butchered with the MCC release

[spare finch]

the career rank progress stays in halo infinite without resetting

[vale swallow]

I see. sounds very rich.

[spare finch]

sure it's a long grind but it's worth the armor

[crystal iron]

Not really a long grind

[weak jackal]

I played the OG’s before MCC and they hold up ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spare finch]

i've been on the grind for 2 months and i'm on early diamond

[crystal iron]

Talking about the ranks my guy

[spare finch]

so yes it's long, but the other career rank grinds are longer

[spare finch]

way longer

[weak jackal]

Yeah, nothing in that statement indicated you were talking about ranks, but alright

[crystal iron]

I mean I just came back to Halo a week ago after quitting Season 1 and I'm Plat almost Onxy for the career ranks

[crystal iron]

Scroll up homie

[spare finch]

how in the master chief mark 6 armor

[crystal iron]

I grind a crap ton of games

[vale swallow]

I will say this as an overarching comment on the conversation as a whole. There is a certain beauty to simplicity.

[spare finch]

the career rank released in season 4 though

i'm so confused

[crystal iron]

I put 15-16 hours every day into Halo Infinite's ranked playlist

[spare finch]

that's ranked ranks, not career rank

[crystal iron]

That's 15-16 hours of XP

[spare finch]

16k per hour for firefight, so 64k per 4 hours, it takes approximately 3 months to get hero rank

[crystal iron]

How long does firefight even last?

[spare finch]

20 minutes per round

[weak jackal]

17 minutes I average

I typically get 4 FF’s an hour

[crystal iron]

I play Ranked and play Halo 3 Refuled so the games go pretty quick

[spare finch]

and that's nonstop playing

[spare finch]

i'm meh at halo 3 refueled

can't get 4000 xp per round

[crystal iron]

Last time I played FireFight was in Halo 3: ODST

[spare finch]

that's a long time

[onyx latch]

Oh, no, I grew up with Halo, I'm 27. Got ODST and Reach at launch and borrowed my friend's games all the time before then because they had spares.

I just don't feel the need to pretend the past was superior, because I'm just not that sad of a guy.

[crystal iron]

@onyx latch Doesn't mean I am sad if I enjoy the older games

[weak jackal]

I can appreciate the older games sure, but I don’t get hung up on them either, H4 was easily my favourite Halo when it came out, despite having played H3 as a kid

[onyx latch]

You should exercise your viewpoint if you think someone who doesn't share the rose tinted glasses you did was too young or too inexperienced.Make that chicken free range.

[crystal iron]

It's like music. You won't like music right off the bat that's brand new. You still like the old stuff but slowly slide into the new stuff

[spare finch]

Infinite reminds me of a modern version of the older games

[onyx latch]

Now I notice all the sour notes and shady back room crap of the old tracks.

[crystal iron]

Halo Infinite has the Halo 5 feel (Which wasn't bad) and some of the older ones. I just wish it wasn't on the same engine

[spare finch]

it has the gameplay of the originals with it's own elements, along with a combined artstyle of reach, h5, and h3

[crystal iron]

The biggest thing. Where did all the other guns go? Lmao. Did they just vanish into thin air?

[weak jackal]

Not a fan of the plasticy looks of certain coatings tbh, that’s something H5 should have kept to itself

I’m supposed to look and feel like a super soldier, not an action figure

[crystal iron]

LMAO

[weak jackal]

Do you get me though?

[crystal iron]

Can we all agree.. Why is the BP for almost all of the events butt cheeks?

[weak jackal]

Like it’s almost cartoony how plastic some of the coatings make you look

[crystal iron]

Like I understand they worked hard for them but dude.. At least give us good rewards

[weak jackal]

Give me Operator

Operator is goated

That is without a doubt my favourite Reach helm

[spare finch]

instead we get to terrorize the newbies as Master Chief

[crystal iron]

LMAO. Bring back the Halo 4 helmets. Some of them were goated

[weak jackal]

The memster chiif in the sodre

[crystal iron]

Is it frowned upon to @ any of the staff? I have an actual question to see if they can answer it

[spare finch]

tbh the reach artstyle's master chief looks kinda strange, considering the helmet looks like a combination of mark 6 and 5, it's supposed to be mark 5

[signal ivy]

ikr, I didn't like that about Halo 3

[spare finch]

halo 3's artstyle looks a bit... desaturated

[crystal iron]

Should we talk about the Spartans looked for the Halo 3 beta? LMAO

[spare finch]

more dull than halo 4's artstyle

[signal ivy]

idk if I would say this looks dull

[coarse dagger]

If it's a moderation issue, you can DM Modmail. If it's about the games, just ask. Mods don't work for 343 and we ask folk not to ping 343 staff. If it's Lore related, you can ask in #lore-and-universe

[spare finch]

specifically with master chief's armor in the campaign

[crystal iron]

@signal ivy Are you actual staff?

[signal ivy]

discord staff, not 343 staff

[crystal iron]

Ok that's what I thought. Just wanted to ask

[signal ivy]

no worries

[spare finch]

every other armor is light except for master chief

[crystal iron]

Just don't know if pinging them is frowned upon. I have a genuine question

[coarse dagger]

Just ask

[spare finch]

I think it depends on the staff member

[coarse dagger]

^

[crystal iron]

It's not an issue with mods or anyone in the discord. It has to do with the game so I just wanted to know

[signal ivy]

#halo-discussion message

[crystal iron]

I want to know how much it would cost to upgrade the server tick for Halo.

I know the server tick for Halo is low like really low

[coarse dagger]

That's not a question anyone here can answer

[young glen]

It's 60 for 4v4 and 30 for BTB, according to that networking blog a good while ago.

[crystal iron]

It's a 60 tick? I feel like the game would feel more fluid but they maybe to the coding of the game

[ruby knoll]

about 5 or 6

[young glen]

Well, anecdotally speaking of course, 4v4 has always felt real smooth to me in this game, relative to BTB. But since this networking model change, BTB has actually felt playable for once.

I wonder if they upped the tick rate.

[crystal iron]

That's something that they didn't say

[young glen]

Yeah to be fair I feel like they'd probably announce that, but they haven't gone into detail about the networking changes as far as I know.

[crystal iron]

But if the tick rate is actually 60 then I should be getting less blanks and less ghost melees which the trading is fine but other then the two things I mentioned it doesn't feel like it

[young glen]

I haven't experienced any of those in BTB since the networking update.
I did experience blanks, ghost melees, and general network jankery before the networking update though, but only in BTB. As I said, 4v4 was always fine for me.

[crystal iron]

From a comp stand point I noticed it more then I did in Season 1

[weak jackal]

It’s certainly.. Shiny

[crystal iron]

I know it's our job as players to adapt to the changes and meta of the game but it's hard when certain things don't happen when they are supposed to

[ruby lake]

this looks colorful!✨

no wonder i kept staring at my halo 3 spartan

but me personally

i love reach's artstyle

halo 5 looks a little...plastic to me but its not the end of the world!

[weak jackal]

I personally prefer a more gritty art style

[ruby lake]

i like all halo artstyles

they inspired me to draw armored people

for fun!

[tulip tusk]

How is Forgelord doing is he living well and braining fun forge stuff for the game

[onyx latch]

@ruby knoll

[ruby knoll]

dark

[ruby lake]

"im a dark guy....dont mess wirh me.."

insert edgy song here

[onyx latch]

Aint nuthin personnel kid

[rugged quartz]

I feel like if anything halo 3 is the more plastic one...

[ruby lake]

"the beast....it taken over me!!!*

[onyx latch]

Quantum Translocates behind you

[rugged quartz]

Last I know he's doing well but also remember there's more in the forge team

[vale swallow]

Is it just me, or are the outdoor forge created maps lackluster in lighting?
That timberland map and headlong map in particular.
I wonder if users are given enough control, and in an easy enough manner to set the lighting correctly.

[ruby lake]

oh no!!!! what will i do-

headshot!

[onyx latch]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-edgy-gun-4chan-chungus-gif-22492410

[tulip tusk]

Who else I only remember forgelord name

[ruby lake]

god i suck at forging

all my skills went to handrawn art

why did god make me good at art but not able to make a 3d duck?

[ashen atlas]

Is he pumping a rifle?

[ruby lake]

it has a pump

[vale swallow]

Might be the hud / lighting that gives you a feeling of looking through smudged plastic wrap.
Another way I like to describe Halo 5 artstyle is spacey, as in outer space vibe.

[ruby lake]

i just picture halo 5 as a far far far far future

[ashen atlas]

I don’t want to know what kind of bullets that is using

[ruby lake]

it uses bullets

[vale swallow]

combat too evolved 😭

[ruby lake]

a weapon to surpass metal gear

[rugged quartz]

I don't have an exhaustive list but there's more people with a complex thing such as forge, including object making and a lot of technical stuff

I'm really really good at forging, scripting too

[tulip tusk]

Yeah I would ask how they're doing but I don't know their nicknames I just think forge has been the best updates so far

[slate robin]

'Kill Enemy Spartans from behind with a Melee Attack "
whats the point if its not an assassination

[tulip tusk]

Nice I'm kinda decent I have published 3 maps, 2 are pve campaign missions that took me a long time. and 1 is a basic simple nintendo64 looking pvpve 4 way map made during a mania day and night

[ashen atlas]

Cosmetic reward

[weak jackal]

Is that the ultimate reward for the week?

Cause if so that’s terrible for a little waist piece

[young glen]

Better than the usual.

[weak jackal]

I’ll pass on it

[ashen atlas]

I agree better than usual. Rather an armor piece than some player id piece

[weak jackal]

Or the baby bottle from last week 🤢

[ashen atlas]

That really had me saying wtf is this

[weak jackal]

Yeah

[young glen]

That was weird.

[vale swallow]

Eureka! I've got it!
I've been pondering why the lighting in many user-created forge maps appears dark, dull, unlit, and gloomy to me. And, I think☝️ I have figured out why.

It's not that the forge tool doesn't offer ways to properly illuminate 💡 maps. It must be that the users, the map creators, prefer to lower the brightness and overall lighting to make their amateur maps seem more appealing. The harder it is to see everything [in the map], the less susceptible it must be to criticism.

Furthermore, I believe this technique of darkening things must be a common artistic choice to create a cozier, more inviting atmosphere—one that is less stark, less cheesy and less colorful, etc. I think brighter and more vibrant maps would require more careful attention to detail, which could be challenging for non-designers and could expose their creations to negative feedback from haters and non-constructive critics.

[young glen]

You are a genius!

[tulip tusk]

Ask the map creators

[keen scaffold]

I've been thinking about something regarding Halo under 343 in general. I don't know if this is the right place to put it, but it's discussion that I want to bring up. It's not bad, but I wouldn't necessarily say "great" either, but I think overall, we need more transparency.

I've said this before, but there's a lot of miscommunication about Halo and Infinite in general. Some people are still bringing up the "10 year plan" regarding Infinite. If that's not true anymore, why not say so, because I think the next games being worked on, right? Or something like that.

Chiefly, we have no idea what goes on for development. We have a vague-ish idea about plans going forward (We know about the match composer and "earnable stuff" as it was put), but beyond some occasional Forge maps, and the new Firefight mode, what else is there? Most of the cosmetics are shop-centered. We have no word on new sandbox additions, whether because there's committed strides towards perfect balance, or if they have no one who can do audio or animations, we just don't know. Everything is up in the air, especially for the live service aspect, and it's leaving some people with cold feet.

I've got a few friends that don't want to play it anymore because they don't want to commit to a game that's being left behind for, as they put it "bare-bones obligation". Is it being abandoned, slowly but surely? As development "winds down"?

I get keeping your cards close to your chest, but I think that's only a detriment now.

This post is a matter of personal opinion, by the way. It's just some thoughst I've been having.

Like for example, I remember back during one of the spartan chatters that playable elites and assassinations were "on the wishlist", and some post about needing to re-rig the player model for assassinations, but we never heard anything definitive. If we're at the point where 343 doesn't want to keep working on this game, shouldn't they say so?

Perhaps that would bring negative opinion in force again, but honesty goes a much longer way than short-term gratification.

I should punctuate this with something else: No, crunch is not the solution here either, but something doesn't feel right. We don't want a repeat of Halo 5, even if there was a lot of content within a year, that wasn't good for a lot of people.

Ultimately, I just want to know what's going, and what's in the future for this game.

[tulip tusk]

i think the only real content left will be forge updates. There is a [BIG MAYBE] for the falcon and perhaps 1 more weapon. the rest will be usual cosmetic store stuff

[wary vortex]

did they nerf firefight xp rewards?

[crystal iron]

Need gauss hog back

[keen scaffold]

Keeping your finger on the pulse of the community that's providing legitimate feedback, I feel, is necessary for something like this.

[weak jackal]

Yes

#1181703745927663726

[keen scaffold]

Weed out the harmful comments not providing anything useful and all that. Yeah we've made great strides, but that's the obvious stuff. Now we're at a point where it needs to be fleshed out. We're rounded out, but what's next? I just wish the community managers/devs/whoever else would let us know.

Like, a QnA about all the hot button topics would be really nice. What's being worked on? What do they want to tackle next for the game? How many years of support is there left? Is it gonna be like Halo 5 where it's effectively on life support? I'm not bringing up MCC because that at least has mod tools.

Reassure the community, y'know?

All of this uncertainty and vagueness is only harming its health.

I hope someone at the company sees this at some point. Above all else, this is my one major piece of feedback.

[weak jackal]

I wouldn’t mind getting more vids discussing Halo’s development/work

[keen scaffold]

While I don't like Bungie as a company, I did like the TWABs and vidocs

Informative and to the point about content changes, upcoming content they want, and what they plan for it, was always nice, even if execution was less than stellar.

[indigo ravine]

Are there any plans for a new halo game

[vale swallow]

nice pfp dude

[indigo ravine]

Thanks

[tulip tusk]

343 mentioned theyre moving to a new project so probably next halo

[indigo ravine]

Ok

[vale swallow]

I mean they have to continue the Halo franchise. Chief got bodied by Atriox.

[coarse dagger]

They mentioned they have other teams working on new projects, not that they were moving on

[tulip tusk]

oh oops thnx

[keen scaffold]

i mean they wouldnt say they're moving on completely

that would completely kill any hope or future or sales.

[coarse dagger]

Back in January they outlined content updates spanning the year

[thorn sierra]

I decided to give a to marine a fuel rod cannon in halo 3 and dude wanted to test something and died in the attempt, rip

[latent acorn]

It will be sometime (few years) before a new Halo game comes out. Infinite will get more content updates for throughout this year and next year. As mentioned.

[crystal iron]

Jesus these grunts are tough when they all have ethe disrupter lol..

[silent cairn]

is the frag buffed in husky raid?

cause they keep instakilling me at full health

[onyx latch]

If it's the variant Husky Raid, there's a version of the drop wall that energizes frag grenades to allow them to do that.

[weak jackal]

Wait that’s a thing? •_•

[onyx latch]

Yep, the one charge extrabig drop shield

[weak jackal]

I know all the Husky Raid equipment is just maxed out campaign gadgets, but I didn’t know they energized grenades

That’s real interesting

[swift fiber]

i have mcc from steam. can i choose to download the halo i want or i have to download the whole packet?

for example i want halo 3 reach and 4

what do i do

[inland minnow]

you can chose which parts to install from the start. once you have the launcher installed you can also choose to selectively install/uninstall the multiplayer or campaign components too.

[swift fiber]

but now i have no storgae left

wait im confused

please elaboraet further

how do i only donwload the launcher

[inland minnow]

i dont have it on steam myself so the details are a bit fuzzy for me, but i believe in steam you download each title as "DLC" from your steam library. if you just click "install" on the main mcc page i think it installs the whole thing, all 100+ gb of it

[swift fiber]

nah you cant unfortunetaly

[inland minnow]

i couldve sworn thats how it used to work. i'm not sure then, sorry. maybe another player who has it on steam might be able to help you

[glacial tartan]

Yes you can. Tora is correct. Your initial download is the launcher, in game you select the specific titles (and either campaign or multiplayer).

[swift fiber]

Yeah buti. Have no storage left

I deleted the whole mcc to download another game and now with 110 gb free I can't download just the launcher because idk

[spare finch]

On the mcc dlc tab you check the halo games you want downloaded

[vale swallow]

Are there any new weapons announced for this year?

[coarse dagger]

Not so far

[spare finch]

Idk what could be added besides spartan laser

[signal ivy]

sticky detonator!

[spare finch]

Anything master chief would want to use

[onyx latch]

He isn't picky.

[onyx latch]

Here, I'll help.

Railgun, Sticky Detonator, Grenade Launcher, Fuel Rod Gun, Plasma Launcher, Plasma Caster, Beam Rifle, Focus Rifle, CE Magnum, SAW, Gauss Turret, Lightrifle, Suppressor, Boltshot, Incineration Cannon, Scattershot, Plasma Rifle, Brute Shot, SMG, Artillery Designator, Shotgun, and many more interesting options.

[civic sundial]

I would love for a few weapons to return, SMG, Plasma Rifle, Carbine, Storm Rifle, just to name a few

[onyx latch]

Though just adding one or two guns wouldn't actually bring many people back IMO. A mix of that and maybe commendations and such?

[glacial tartan]

Automag, Silenced SMG 😄

[onyx latch]

Flamethrower.

[feral vale]

Railgun, SMG, Needler Rifle, Sticky Det, Plasma Rifle

[onyx latch]

I said four of those

[spare finch]

the carbine already exists

as the plasma carbine

[civic sundial]

The Pulse Carbine isn't the same as the Carbine from previous games

[vale swallow]

Now that's a nice post right there.

[true knoll]

In halo infinite how do you and can you play as an elite in multiplayer?

[onyx latch]

You cannot play as an elite in Infinite multiplayer. This is because 343 hates scalies.

[true knoll]

Really?

Well that sucks

[spare finch]

it feels the same for me tbh

[feral vale]

carbine was single shot projectile, plasma carbine is a 3 shot burst of plasma. completely different.

[spare finch]

so pulse/plasma carbine is better

[feral vale]

They serve different purposes. the plasma carbine does wonders against shields and then a quick switch to the bandit,sidekick,BR will be a headshot.

[slate robin]

Hi

[feral vale]

the plasma carbine and carbine would be a match made in heaven in infinite

[spare finch]

casually quickswitching both carbines for mass chaos

[feral vale]

agreed, some cant bounce back and forth though. Chaos is abundant on the battlefield and those will add more fun 🙂

[spare finch]

halo infinite needs doom energy instead of relentlessly murdering one target at a time

[feral vale]

i would enjoy more goofy weapons and gametypes. Multiteam shenanigans please.

[spare finch]

the only thing they fear is the mamschbr chefde in the soder

[feral vale]

there should be a goofy grenade where its a can of mtndew

[spare finch]

they have a sandwich, so why not soda

[feral vale]

exactly, they fit well lol

[spare finch]

they put the mamcshtber chefde in the soder

[slate robin]

I joined a game and 2 seconds later I lost

Overwatch and halo need an option to turn joining match in progress off

[celest heron]

fourteen dollars for two coatings.

[vale swallow]

Very brief googling tells me microtransactions begun with Elder Scrolls IV and putting cosmetics on a horse. And the rest is history.

[ember belfry]

too bad Toys in the Attic doesn't have firefight hills

it's one hell of a good map

[spare finch]

definitely

[spare finch]

so it started with bethesda? interesting

guess bethedsa learned from that mistake and didn't put microtransactions in doom

[onyx latch]

Not really. The concept wasn't even new when Oblivion did it.

'Pay a bit of extra money for extra crap' is one of the longest standing traditions of economics.

[vale swallow]

I'm not one for cosmetics, especially by paying. But there was a period where it was fun. In unreal tournament in 1999, you could play armor optional.

[spare finch]

iirc in minecraft there's a microtransaction that is 1000 usd for one specific map

which is why I hate bedrock

[onyx latch]

Also a lot of it for games, specifically, was a tech bottleneck

[spare finch]

or at least one of many reasons

[vale swallow]

I was fine paying for DLC maps in halo 2. It felt like paying for an extension of the multiplayer game.
But now we get new maps for free. So I don't have to pay anything 🙂
Each map pack would feature contrasting terrain, one with snow, one grass, one cityscape. It was really well presented, and it made you want to buy it, like a variety pack gift.

[ashen atlas]

If we’re talking video games, I can’t think of one before that

With cosmetic purchases

[celest heron]

so annoying that people don't know how to play gruntpocalypse. they just charge in cause I'm assuming they think they're just grunts so easy kills, but they get overwhelmed and naded.

[onyx latch]

Horse armor wasn't just cosmetic.

[ashen atlas]

Close enough. The stat boost was pretty useless

[vale swallow]

Cosmetics = Materialism = Not good

New weapons = Good = Real Good

[crystal iron]

Holy the balance in ranked matchmaking is god awful. I love getting a full team of plat 1s who have no idea how to play strongholds against a team of smurfs and diamond 5s

Remove whatever you have in place and go back to freaking true skill like it was in Halo 3. This matchmaking is awful.

[vale swallow]

#transparency

[white birch]

Oh trust me it was just as bad on Halo 3. Nothing has changed, the gaming focus has just widened and the mindset has shifted.

It feels worse because its more prominent in everyones mind and the "need to win at all costs" has become the primary focus of any game, ever, at all.

[white birch]

I keep getting blown up by my teammates somehow shooting grenades on the ground. I dont know how they miss that bad.

[rugged quartz]

What...?

[tulip tusk]

i rlly like the gun look and green projectile of the carbine

even the carbine elites are one of my fav units in hw2

[crystal iron]

I'd rather wait 30 mins for a queue to play with people who belong in my rank then people who are 2 ranks lower. I wait an hour and a half in LoL to find a game and have no problem with it

[white birch]

Thats LoL tho

[crystal iron]

I mean even though in LoL I'm playing people who are in my rank and not 3 or 12 divisions lower

[white birch]

LoL has a devoted fanbase with a far more intense focus.
Halo COMP is, for the most part, one of the less played versions.
Simply put, theres not enough people to find even if you waited hours.

No different than Search and Destroy back in older CODs. The only people playing it were those running meme strats and sweats

[crystal iron]

I'm not comparing the two by any means. I'm just saying. All I want is a balanced Ranking system. I win two games in a row and then it feels like I get punished for winning which makes me not want to play ranked or Halo again lmao

[misty vale]

holy cow how are people so bad at gruntpocalypse lmao imagine getting only 63 kills

meanwhile I got 304

[weak jackal]

It’s not a competition my guy 👌🏻

[spare finch]

apparently in halo infinite the mk vii is taller than the mk iv

just slightly

[weak jackal]

Huh

[ember belfry]

anyone notice infnite takes longer to load after the last update?

[spare finch]

it takes 2-3 minutes for me

but now 5

what is halo infinite's optimization anymore

[ruby lake]

halo: infinite bundles

[celest heron]

loads fine for me

[old vigil]

Y’know what’s really annoying

More than half the teams I’ve been in for Gruntpocalypse have been full of people that don’t realize how useful disrupters are against grunts

So we’ll all be running out of ammo but I’ll be the only person who picks up a disruptor smh

[spare finch]

big team slayer is kinda annoying since there are now set spawnpoints so you can't counter spawntraps

you just die if an enemy happens to be near your spawn

[ruby lake]

i shoot disruptors at the floored weapons because the electricity just bounces off to one weapon to another

and eventually hitting a target or two

[old vigil]

I should try that tbh. I target larger groups of grunts for the chain reaction

But that works better for weapons like the Ravager, Cindershot or SPNKR

Ravager is underutilized for KotH FF tbh. It’s great for crowd control

[ruby lake]

true

i just use the weapons whatever theyy give me on the battlefield

give me a repair equipment and ill just stick it near me while i spray down a horde of grunts

[old vigil]

Funnily enough — Gruntpocalypse is objectively harder than regular KotH FF

[ruby lake]

wait what

you mean to tell me those ants are stronger in a group?

[old vigil]

Half of them are ultras with are much harder to kill than typical majors or minors because of their extra headgear

Headshots with a Commando are more difficult

[old vigil]

Well I can’t say I was expecting it to be more challenging than hoards of brutes and jackals

[ruby lake]

great

i might bring a friend or two

i mean it cant be that bad right?

[old vigil]

Just be strategic abt it

It’s a lot harder than I thought it’d be

I’ve played maybe 9 total games and me and my team have won none of them

One of the rounds basically spawned like 5-7 Bipbaps

[ruby lake]

o h .

[old vigil]

We’ve gotten close but we always lose due to everyone dying one way or another

I’ve figured out some useful strategies though

[spare finch]

I must know how to get 25+ kills in btb

[old vigil]

• Disrupter is a strong pickup for if one of your weapons is out of ammo

• Ravager is a good pickup for crowd control, replace any automatic weapon with it and either have a Disrupter or precision weapon under your other slot

• Save grenades for when you know you can stick it or for crowds of grunts

• DO NOT waste power weapons on phantom drops of grunts, wait for them to bunch up

https://tenor.com/view/goodjob-thumbsup-nice-excellent-naruto-gif-7248440

I got embedded

[spare finch]

gruntpocalypse is easy for me

[old vigil]

Thanks for the input..?

[ruby lake]

my team is getting shanked

hard

[spare finch]

F

[old vigil]

Also make sure to maybe have comms on because every other team I’ve had has had like one competent player

[ruby lake]

im still standing!!!

(with my shields getting screwed up)

[old vigil]

Two players in my last game kept going off on their own from the hill

Not very smart considering a lot of the grunts carry needlers and will coordinate fire on ya

And also ammo for UNSC weapons is scarce even though the Commando, BR and Convergence Bulldog are all useful for the gamemode

[ruby lake]

AggGGHhHhi dieEddd

but its okay!

i trained years of reach firefight for this!

[old vigil]

Infinite grunts are a whole other thing. Wouldn’t rely on reach training tbh

[ruby lake]

but its workin

i just hope i can win this

[old vigil]

Yeah good luck 💀

[ruby lake]

well-

that was something!

(i did won though)

[quasi shard]

I swear, every match I join in BTB its the same story: other team is partied up, my team consists of rando new players and people who want to play slayer more than CTF or territories

[weak jackal]

Crazy how people are actually struggling with Gruntpacolypse, I find it tremendously easier than regular FF KOTH

[spare finch]

stay with your team, practice your movement, check surroundings, ping enemy locations when you see one that the team isn't paying attention to.

[weak jackal]

No disrespect of course

[spare finch]

most notably, use warthogs and ghosts, don't use the mongoose

[ruby lake]

eougfhhhfgghhh

[spare finch]

mongooses are quite useless in btb

unless you want to get headshot

most importantly: use the wasp, it is very good in btb

[quasi shard]

Thats the problem, when I do, its completely ignored.

Like its always the team of people who can't be bothered

Ok, that was the first half decent match all day followed by an odd swing in the opposite direction

[old vigil]

Yes you did won

[ruby lake]

with a needle cluster on my back

and a plasma grenade on my face

[thorn sierra]

Should i try to beat the halo trilogy with only melees?

[ruby lake]

hmm
i wonder if RvB styled fighting would be possible in infinite

id like to beat the crap out of brutes with just my fists

[celest heron]

do it on legendary

[open umbra]

The only two things important to know in Gruntpoacalypse is that do not let BipBap stack more than 2, and the repair field is a nice counter to their disruptors.

Other than that, we just need to deal with grunts' regular behaviors.

[dreamy crane]

picture this: a battle damaged operation. bullet hole armor coatings, cracked visors, banged-up helmets.

[thick saffron]

Was gruntpocalypse xp fixed yet?

[weak jackal]

I just finished a GP mission

Hill 3: 150XP
Hill4: 50XP
Hill5: 100XP
Match Complete: 50XP

[coarse dagger]

Yes

https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1775655435313578475

Halo Support (@HaloSupport) on X

The #HaloInfinite team has resolved an issue that resulted in reduced Match Reward XP for the Gruntpocalypse playlists. If you're currently playing, relaunch the game to receive this backend change. If you encounter any other issues, submit a ticket at https://t.co/Ya2f8ZXD20.

Twitter · Apr 3, 2024, 10:43 PM

[thick saffron]

Thx!

[celest heron]

finally got an h4 btb game and my teammates got a total of 9 kills, lmao. and of course it was against a full party.

[thorn sierra]

and thats the definition of pain! (actually ima do that)

[open tinsel]

Does anyone know where I can find sound files for the Halo 3 ODST engineers?

[fervent vault]

Guys hear me out

Halo on vr but you can feel everything

A suit heats up a bit in a spot where you get hit by plasma

You can feel the vibrations of vehicles

It’d be one heck of an experience

[grave ether]

I think you'd enjoy the rabbit hole of haptic suits

[fervent vault]

Yep

[grave ether]

There's even stuff you can add to your desk chair that hits it whenever you take a hit. Saw that at Micro Center when I went. I'd hate that but there's clearly a market for it lol

[fervent vault]

Lol

[zenith holly]

I was thinking of a halo game that had the similar idea with dark tide but using Spartans and call it halo: Spartan Fireteam

[onyx latch]

Holy based batman

I like this guy already

[tepid tulip]

Petition to make Emile, noble six , and Jorge as well as Kat to come to Fortnite
👇

[limpid sage]

So, why are the plasma rifles or whatever they’re called, red in halo 3 odst, which takes place during 2, I think, I’m not sure, if they’re not red during 2

They’re even a different shape

[celest heron]

those are brute plasma rifles which were red in 2.

[frosty condor]

^ correct

[weak jackal]

Get hit by a SPNKR rocket and the chair throws you across the room 💀

[halcyon violet]

The servers are trash in halo infinite.

[frosty condor]

Ok

Anyway

[fathom creek]

MAN

halo infinites multiplayer music slaps

[mossy cave]

No it doesn't

[weak jackal]

It’s pretty good

But it doesn’t beat the OG lobby music from season 1

[zealous panther]

3 backsmacks... uuugh...

[twin crag]

agreed

I love the post rock music they got goin on :o

[high verge]

Who actually uses the bandit rifle?

[analog salmon]

bandits

expensive

i wouldnt be surprised if by Reach, most nukes were hand delivered by Spartan 3s 🥲

[onyx latch]

UNSC slipspace tech was rather mediocre even by the end of the Human-Covenant War, with the Infinity being the first UNSC vessel capable of making a pinpoint slipspace jump on a dime. Not to mention-Slipspace jumping fissile material emits a bright and noticeable flareup of Cherenkov radiation, which lights up like a signal flare screaming 'shoot me before I can do something!!!'

In short; Tech didn't exist, and it wasn't the best idea.

[analog salmon]

with the size of the one Noble delivers to the corvette, i can't imagine it would have a high success rate of reaching its target even if it could immediately detonate

[onyx latch]

TBF, that was a drive meant to drive 1.3 million tons of material, not... Significantly less than that.

[true knoll]

Do any Australians still play infinite?

[crystal iron]

Yes I played with some early morning USA time

[safe ingot]

I kind of find it funny when people say the Grunt-inspired armor from the Yappening update is unrealistic for Spartans when the Hayabusa armor existed in Halo 3

[civic sundial]

Some people love to forget that armour when it comes to critising newer armour designs

Grunt inspired armour is much more plausable than armour made using dragon bones after all within Halo

[subtle iris]

Grunt armor is for fun that all

[celest heron]

I'd say the haunted helmet is the least realistic, but I'll also criticize armor from any game if it's ugly.

[civic sundial]

True, Haunted is literally just a Spartan who got Vashta Nerada'd. I doubt anyone in Halo would deploy a skeleton into combat

[subtle iris]

It's like chimera

[signal ivy]

muh immersion

[subtle iris]

This is not canon

[civic sundial]

Also like, we know the UNSC has been working with various groups in adapting Covenant tech to use for their armour systems

[civic sundial]

Ironically, you chose the one where there is one that exists in canon

Eaglestrike and Yoroi are the ones that are completely non-canon when it comes to the armour cores in Infinite

[subtle iris]

Chimera exist in the Canon? Wtf it's look like more cyberpunk than halo lol

[civic sundial]

There's a single one, made by Governer Sloan, using the guy who was leaving behind the datapads from Halo Reach

https://www.halopedia.org/The_Executor

[subtle iris]

So spartan but not a spartan

[civic sundial]

Basically

But it's not like there's an army of them, there's just the one

[crystal iron]

Good point

[safe ingot]

I see them going "this armor looks dumb, no spartan would ever wear this"

And I'm just like "okay so why did the Hayabusa armor in Halo 3 get a pass?"

[slim flint]

the grunt armor is great

[subtle iris]

I love the conquerant armor and master too

I hope in future we get "spartan" banished with another name like "Immortal"

[safe ingot]

I agree

[subtle iris]

Spartan vs Immortal

That can be epic

[safe ingot]

When I unlock the Grunt armor, you know I'm running it with the Banished Deception coating from Campaign.

[subtle iris]

Same for mine

Look in ur pm @safe ingot

[hushed palm]

Hello, So newbie question here. I see on the season switcher I can go all the way back to season 1? Can I really? and slowly unlock everything?

[subtle iris]

Yes u just need to buy the pass

[hushed palm]

awesome! thank you so much 😄

[young glen]

Note: the first season, Heroes of Reach, doesn't return the 1,000 credits spent. All other seasons do, however. Operations (20 tier passes) don't give any credits.

So if you're being frugal, it's best to work through the other seasons first, and leave Heroes of Reach last.

[hushed palm]

ahh okay good to know 😄

thats smart to do it that way.

[spare finch]

if there are any btb pros in here, how do you get 7600+ applied score in btb matches

(I can only seem to get up to 3000 applied score)

halo infinite just put me in an already started btb match which caused me to get 0 score... why...

[ashen atlas]

Get about 30-40 kills

With some assists sprinkled in there

[spare finch]

that doesn't say how

that's just telling me what to do without explaining, it doesn't help

[spare finch]

HOW do I get 30-40 kills

you're just making more plotholes then there needs to be

do I have to get aggressive for pros to explain how without being too unexplanatory? what strategy is used? how do they get that many kills? where's a "dirty" spot on every map? This is what you aren't telling me that I need to know in order to get better, because if this information isn't available then I'm just going to be average.

all I am getting on yt is unhelpful tips that don't say strategies and doesn't guide you to getting more kills.

[coarse dagger]

Tips I normally see and give are things like:
Learn the maps. Use Academy, Custom Games, 1v1s and get used to traversing, see where choke points are, learn spawns and how to manipulate them and predict where people will spawn.
Don't bite off more than you can chew. i.e. Don't rush into engagements without backup, you'll only end up 1v2 or 1v3 and losing. Run with a partner where you can.
Run weapon drills and get used to each weapon, see what works best for you.
Review your footage and get others to review and give critique, see where you are doing well and where you can improve.
Probably a few more things, that's all I can think of for now.

[spare finch]

That's the hard part, my teammates are usually ignorant (one of many reasons I created a clan in the clan corner)

[magic night]

Honestly, getting a high score usually involves ignoring your teammates and winning fights at their expense.

But that requires "getting good" by drilling the basics

[coarse dagger]

If you're running with randoms, yeah you're gonna have a rough time. If you absolutely want to improve your game, find some regular folk you can run with and learn to play off of

[magic night]

Which comes down to learning to win 1v1s

[coarse dagger]

Might want to look for more competitive orientated servers

[spare finch]

I've been trying to follow the pros of the team to see what strategies they use

but then at the same time every single pro uses different strategies, so it's quite hard for me

[magic night]

Learning strategies from pros is only really helpful if you've got the basics down

[spare finch]

I know the maps and where most power weapons spawn, the hard part is finding areas where I can pick off enemies and get into a 1v1 without there being 2-3 enemies nearby

[spare finch]

so I need to follow an above average player based on what skill level I'm at (just above average)

[magic night]

Probably

[drifting tartan]

I would say I'm ok, I've played in a few competitive tournaments

[spare finch]

my highest kill count in btb was 17 kills

[drifting tartan]

I think mine was 23

[spare finch]

noice

[drifting tartan]

thx. you too

[spare finch]

👍

why do all of my teammates sit there and die while me and a pro carry the team 💀

[spare finch]

shled hasn't seen me carry a team in btb 💀, most of the team was garbage and I had to get half of the kills

or it felt like it

more than most of the teammates

so technically it isn't cap

false capping is not what i'm here for

so get that cap outta here

[celest heron]

most of it just comes from experience. once you play enough, you'll figure out an opening strat which usually is going for a power weapon or vehicle and where the best spots are on the map.

[drifting tartan]

that is so relatable. sometimes it feels like I'm the only decent player on my team and the other team is absolutely cracked.

[spare finch]

my team did absolutely nothing this round and caused the whole team to lose

because of their recklessness and stupidity

[young glen]

Team player I see lol

[spare finch]

it feels like they have a cod enjoyer mindset where deaths "don't matter"

[spare finch]

yes and no, I'm trying to get a ton of kills, but my team has to actively participate in the game in order for me to do so, and they don't

my wasp got blown up in 2 seconds because someone has godaim with a sniper

I swear my teammates are usually either blind. deaf, or both

[drifting tartan]

Relatable.

Thats why I love doing pro tournaments

nobody sucks

[faint delta]

anyone know where grifball went on mcc??? that was my favorite one why is it gone now

[spare finch]

my teammates do abolutely nothing, the entire enemy team got 2100+ without boosting because my team is so trash, why do my teammates do nothing. Impliment SKILL-based matchmaking not horrendously chaotic based matchmaking

my team lost because of matchmaking

and because of ignorance and stupidity

how do I get good teammates for once, they're the cause of every problem I have in btb, and good teammates are the only way to solve them

I feel like I need to smurf in order to get more fair matches

that aren't horrendous because I'd be the only pro instead of an entire enemy team full of them

every other playlist has smarter teammates

[glacial tartan]

One social playlist rotates out every week. Dont worry, Grifball comes back way too often.

[faint delta]

I just had a game where my entire team quit since other team was too good lol

[spare finch]

BREAKING NEWS: Man literally too angry to die

[spare finch]

where are btb players that actually communicate instead of letting everyone die

[feral vale]

usually in a 8+ stack streaming on twitch

[spare finch]

well that's annoying trying to find one then

because it's very unlikely to find btb players that play the game properly

instead, most of the bad players think it's like cod (it isn't)

[faint delta]

anyone know how to kill people really fast like people on matchmaking do? I keep getting killed with just one shot on the battle rifle and i cant figure out how they're doing it, theres no hits or shots prior, just the one shot on the battle rifle. This happens in pretty much every game the Battle Rifle is in.

[spare finch]

you didn't get one-shotted, you got hit with 4 shots (perfect kill)
second of all: strafing and aiming with movement helps

if my aim assist doesn't activate I go in manually and aim using the right thumbstick

[safe ingot]

For me, most of my teammates lack common sense.

"Oh, my teammate just got sniped in that alley! Lemme just walk right in without any proper ranged weapon and- oh, I got sniped too."

[spare finch]

that sums up btb

teammates never use common sense

because of how dumb they are I have to go in doomguy mode and be extra prepared in that situation

just bandits them to death without any long ranged weapon

skill is key for dooming in halo

[spare finch]

csr rank: resets
career rank: laughs in continual progress on gaining master chief armor

[spare finch]

ughhhh I hate btb teammates

they're so stupidddd

[celest heron]

the only game where it would seem that way is h2c cause you can quad shot the br, but it's not easy to do. otherwise it would be a cheater lag switching in other games.

[spare finch]

ok apparently nobody wants to be a part of my btb group/clan, this is difficult

[spare finch]

why would I want to create a btb clan if no one is gonna join it in the first place

[spare finch]

plus there's nowhere to advertise it besides clan corner so that certainly doesn't help

[celest heron]

you could try btb.net, but they might've died off.

[spare finch]

that is not a big team battle website 💀

[celest heron]

oh, it used to be. guess they got rid of it.

[spare finch]

huh, interesting

so that used to be a big team battle lfg website?

[celest heron]

it was for competitive players

[thorn sierra]

The master chief in the halo books:
A banshee? I'm gonna put 3 grenades in this part of a warthog and when it explodes then it's gonna hit the Banshee, very easy.
Master Chief in halo games: me fragile dud

[onyx latch]

Master Chief in the books for people who actually read them: Oh dear god, everything is so messed up, everything is awful.

[spare finch]

Master Chief in the show: can't handle an artifact

[random rain]

Why are the queue times on infinite so horribly inaccurate now?

Every queue takes forever if I even get a match husky raid is the only thing that’s fine

[spare finch]

sbmm is inaccurate as well

it doesn't even out skill level
it's just like "oo a bunch of pros, let's put them all against a bunch of noobs"

which that's ridiculously unfair, they'd have more players if teams were even skill level instead of garbage teammates with one pro and the enemies being gods

343 needs to fix this soon, I could imagine the next game's multiplayer being horrendous if they don't fix it

[knotty haven]

Can we just say CU is just cosmetic update with community maps?

[celest heron]

that's just a population issue. if you have a team full of really high mmr players, it's going to be very hard for the matchmaker to find a bunch of solos with that same or higher combined mmr level and finding another similarly skilled full party would likely be rarer.

in general, the more players in a game, the more difficult it's going to be to balance it with skill especially if the population is on the lower side. Even in H5 which had ranked btb that had stricter skill matches, it was never an even match for solos when you were against a full sweat party unless another one matched them.

[subtle iris]

Yapyaping II finish

[spare finch]

le yapyap

[subtle iris]

Yes

[subtle iris]

Le YapYap

[white birch]

(Pushes Halo books up there with 40k and Battletech ones under shelf labeled "why you shouldn't make children into supersoldiers")

[open umbra]

Literally me when playing PvP, and that's why I'll stick to playing Firefight.

[wary kestrel]

What is an arbiter?

[vernal bobcat]

It's an elite sang'heli

[weak jackal]

Used to be a mark of an honour in Elite culture, then the prophets made it a mark of shame

And now I think it’s making a comeback to being honourable

[wary kestrel]

Ohhhh, thx

[weak jackal]

No problemo, amigo 👌🏻

[smoky stone]

Why is there not a screenshot channel?

[frosty condor]

There’s #1076327824924872755

[true knoll]

You talking to me?

[crystal iron]

Yeah it was an earlier reply… to add on I know some use VPN to Que with North American servers same with other games

[zealous panther]

how to backsmack people easily? I just can't find reliable way...

[vital nexus]

in generally or for the challenges?

for the challenges just use the grunt Apocalypse. works as well

[slim flint]

hide behind a corner when you see someone coming on your radar, wait for them to walk past you, then hit them in the back

[zealous panther]

You can complete it in pve?

[vital nexus]

apparently. tried it myself and it worked

[zealous panther]

Oh thank god! I will try it rn

[manic flax]

So, I’m playing through the master chief saga playlist in MCC. just finished level 3 of halo 3. And noticed the tracker ingame still says 30/46 levels completed. Is this a bug? Will this catch up and make my achievement pop when I’m done?

[spare finch]

pfft some mindless teammate in btb walked into the area where I tried to hit someone with a gravity hammer and died (I was more prepared than that person 😂)

[weak jackal]

Yeah, it’s bugged, backsmack grunts in FF and it counts

[spare finch]

huh, I did the challenge in btb by backsmacking a mindless enemy

[weak jackal]

Very nice

[slate robin]

Has their been a flood firefight?

[tulip tusk]

that's in h3 odst. you can also play odst firefight in third person with a cool modded gametype

[vale swallow]

Why are there only 25 results of custom games?

is it because of friday noon est?

[tulip tusk]

ye

[spare finch]

smh btb solo sucks

[tulip tusk]

give people some time to get off work and then do friday drinking then they may hop in

[vale swallow]

i've already started 😭

[spare finch]

nobody listens or communicates, most of my clan is offline

[vale swallow]

it's hard to communicate with micless consoliites.

[spare finch]

I ping and nobody listens

nobody goes to the threat and they just die because of it

I literally pinged an enemy and no backup came

why do most of the btb players have no common sense

it gets me killed and everyone else killed

[tulip tusk]

i barely play btb anymore but i remember begging someone to help shoot the enemy wasp, it's a desperate endeavor

[spare finch]

lemme guess, they ignored as usual

[tulip tusk]

ive blocked those memories it's a self defense mechanism

[spare finch]

weird glitch, the game won't let me matchmake unless i move my thumbstick constantly

[tulip tusk]

strange, if that aggressive glitch is widespread it will filter out afks

[spare finch]

I just had the luckiest btb round
fastest victory

it only lasted 4 minutes

mainly because I wraithed and ghosted

plus the allies had good aim

[old vigil]

Did anyone notice there’s a message from 2016 under the catalyst map in Halo Infinite

[ruby lake]

god i love the diisrupt0r

[spare finch]

no because you can't reach the bottom

[crystal iron]

When does the rank reset?

[spare finch]

csr?

soon, probably in a couple months

[crystal iron]

The operation ends in 24 days so I don't know if that's when it ends or another operation comes

[spare finch]

prob another 3-series of operations

[crystal iron]

sigh

[white birch]

Did you expect something else?

[spare finch]

My bf played halo infinite for the first time ^w^

He agrees with me that it’s very fun

[balmy wedge]

He's a keeper!

[weak jackal]

He has good taste then

[flat sail]

Okay i've brought this up before but it's still bothering me: why can mnk start crouching while moving in reach but controller cant

and can that please be changed

[high verge]

You can change your settings

Pause>settings>controls

[flat sail]

it doesn't have anything to do with settings

[high verge]

Well what do you play reach on, disk or master chief collection?

[shadow turret]

Most likely when it used to reset with seasons
so every few months

[crystal iron]

When did this season start? I had recently came back to Halo

[subtle iris]

3 days ago

[crystal iron]

Really?

[subtle iris]

oh my bad i think u talk about the operation

sorry

[crystal iron]

Lmao I’m talking about the season not operation

[subtle iris]

i was on game look the operation and when i look discord i read operation=season lol

again sorry

[crystal iron]

You are good man lol

[spare finch]

Marines on mission 2 if they aren’t coded to die: falls off of map before door opens

[crystal iron]

Wait what lmao

[spare finch]

That’s why bungie killed off the marines at the start of Halo

[crystal iron]

You are exposing secrets lmao

[spare finch]

They originally planned to have them live, but they just clipped through the ship

[spare finch]

Youtube did it

[slim flint]

and if you can get them to stay on the map, they’ll slide off of the bridge at the start

[spare finch]

Yep

[twin crag]

no seasons anymore, just operation

[crystal iron]

No shot man.. that’s stupid

[subtle iris]

343 go on the next halo so almost all dev go on the development of the nex halo game

[thorn sierra]

Just installed infinite again for the yappening

[tulip tusk]

that's what i thought but sketch only said they have other teams working on another project. so i dont really know if that means they have a large group working on halo infinite still (on stuff besides store cosmetics plsss). next project is probably a halo game bc what else could 343 be doing, but not sure if itll be a next halo game as in after infinite

[thorn sierra]

it took 2 days

[tulip tusk]

do u live in croatia? cool place but slow internet

[subtle iris]

i hope they do a halo game but like reach or ODST

Halodivers

[shadow turret]

Yappening started a few days ago, Cyber Showdown III was all last month, and Spirit of Fire was at the beginning of the year, and Winter Contingency III was December, and the first Operation after Season 5

so S5 was a while ago, but it'll prolly be another month or 2 before a Ranked reset, since Seasons used to last about 5-6 months (iirc)

[civic sundial]

I think people often forget that companies are comprised of multiple teams working on multiple projects

[tulip tusk]

yea idk their setup just wish there was a larger team for vehicles and weapons in infinite they must be working on diff project

so far my fav team is the forge group

the armor and cosmetics are cool but its just content that results in a reddit post picture it doesnt add a lot

[civic sundial]

Without being part of 343i, I don't think I can say anything about team sizes

But I do hope we get new weapons and vehicles soon, even if it's via bringing back some from Halo 5

Like, I would be 100% fine with the H5 Forerunner weapons being ported in

[tulip tusk]

that would be very fun i agree

[thorn sierra]

No but my rooms is far from the router, to make a reference theres 2 rooms in the yard, i live on one of them

[tulip tusk]

if you live with people who wouldnt mind you hogging the internet you can buy a very long ethernet cable and run it through, or just connect it when you have large downloads. it will improve your speed a lot

[limpid pollen]

halo 7 when

[limpid pollen]

god no 🤢

theres so many better weapons for 343 to put in infinite, or even make new ones but evidently they dont care enough about infinite to even add the new shotgun theyve been cookin for like 2+ years

the promethian guns were kinda just fluff to the weapon pool and seeing how much effort 343 went to give infinite its own unique weapon pool. i could see them adding one or two maybe though tbf, like the SMG since there is no SMG in infinite

personally id prefer an entirely new game like, infinite is kind of a disaster and its only gotten this far because theyve had to almost reinvent the whole game and STILL theres stuff to be done, so thats, what another 3 years till infinite reaches parity with another halo game? smh

[spare finch]

would it be cursed if I shipped master chief with doom slayer /j

[ruby knoll]

gibberish

[spare finch]

https://tenor.com/view/gravity-hammer-halo-gif-27432655

[spare finch]

if you're a twitter user, that explains your toxicity

[civic sundial]

Oh, I want the SMG too, but I'm also of the opinion that Infinite's sandbox needs more than just a couple weapons. Bringing back a larger amount of weapons will allow for more diversity in what can be found on maps, and thus help mitigate issues like stagnation in the weapon sandbox as at this point, it feels like it's always the same weapons and that's getting stale to me

[spare finch]

exactly, that's one of many reasons why I don't show hate for halo infinite, and it'd be cap if I did

[civic sundial]

Plus like, I love the look of the Forerunner weapons from Halo 4/5

[spare finch]

I already enjoy the campaign weapons, wouldn't mind if they added halo 4/5 weapons

[civic sundial]

Aye, there's so much that has happened behind the scenes at 343i that while yeah it sucks how slow it was to get new stuff, it's clearly because of factors the devs who actually worked on the game were not in control of

[spare finch]

plus scattershot is basically the heatwave

[spare finch]

heatwave but more dangerous to yourself and others

they definitely went more with the classic halo trilogy route in terms of weapons

and artstyle

[spare finch]

master chief is very similar to the halo 3 version

[ruby lake]

gyough

[civic sundial]

If the Scattershot got a slight rework it'd be fine. Personally, I'd make it have some sort of grenade launcher secondary fire but weaker than the Cindershot's shots as to not step on its toes too much

Maybe also having the projectile explode on impact too

[spare finch]

• same gloves
• same body armor
• same leg armor
• slightly updated helmet
• same arm armor

the only differences being

• added 117 identification
• different shoulder pads
• halo 2 coloring

[civic sundial]

I kinda wish Infinite Chief had the same visor engraving/pattern as H4/5

[spare finch]

with the hexagons?

[civic sundial]

With or without, I never minded them

[spare finch]

ngl I like the master chief armor designs anyway

[spare finch]

only problem I have with halo 4/5 chief is his body build is basically the rock on steroids

[spare finch]

aka beefier than normal

[civic sundial]

To be fair, Chief was augmented as a kid

That's gonna affect how his body looks

[spare finch]

he looked much less steroided in the original 3 halo games

[spare finch]

they brought this body build back with halo infinite

[civic sundial]

Not really, he's still super beefy in Infinite

[spare finch]

he seems less beefy though

which imo is a good thing so that it matches halo 3's body build

[spare finch]

which imo bungie perfected

343 made it look really good

[spare finch]

true

[spare finch]

by beefier than normal, I mean beefier than beefy

[ruby lake]

blah lah lahblahblah lahblahblahblahblah

anubis conquers alll

[old vigil]

I disagree tbh. The scene where we see his armor come off in Halo 4 actually shows a really lean physique

[ruby lake]

i just like all master chiefs, except the tv show one

that character motivated me to be physically strong

[spare finch]

eh, the tv show is just a color changed Infinite version with the halo 4 gen 1 helmet with the silver team logo

[ruby lake]

bbuoorrrp

[spare finch]

personality may be different

but that's beside the armor point

[thorn sierra]

i got a big ahh problem trying to sign up in infinite, can someone help me?

[ruby lake]

why do i keep running into grebades

its like im a moth

i see something glowing, i go to it

[spare finch]

you problem

[old vigil]

The TV show one has infinitely nicer armor than the 4/5 armor tbh

[ruby lake]

i agree on that

[old vigil]

4/5 armor looks like power rangers

[ruby lake]

more like the 2017 PR movie imo

[old vigil]

That’s

[ruby lake]

warframe armor wannabe lookin ahh

[old vigil]

Yeah that’s what I’m talking about bruh

[ruby lake]

343 trynna be like someone else

[old vigil]

The art direction for 4/5 was NOT it

[ruby lake]

halo 4/5 armor: 2017 pr movie copy
chimera core: crysis copy

[old vigil]

Chimera core is just

…why did 343 launch the game with a bunch of awesome armor and then start releasing garbage armor designs

💀

[ruby lake]

i feel like the chimera core is deserved to be in another game

since lot of folks want that old halo style back

[tulip tusk]

what's wrong?

[ruby lake]

i mean, i could see the core being in a fighting game

[old vigil]

The armor looks okay for multiplayer but can you really imagine a Spartan wearing that bright-ass armor in combat

[ruby lake]

bright?

just put on a different armor coating to make it less cleaner and more dirtier (or somethin)

[old vigil]

Less cleaner

[ruby lake]

t
rhats what i said

[old vigil]

Okay anyways

[ruby lake]

anyways what

[old vigil]

The entrenched armor isn’t canon, right

Looking at the armor it looks awful for actual spartan-level combat

At least some of it

[ruby lake]

duh

its a fracture core not a canon core smh

[old vigil]

Well that’s why I asked because I couldn’t remember the point of fracture

[ruby lake]

all i can say is its just some alternative universe stuff

[onyx latch]

Fractures are alternative realities that are loosely based on Halo but differ in fundamental ways.

[old vigil]

Did they ever put silver team kits in the game

[onyx latch]

No.

[old vigil]

Because the silver team timeline would unironically be a great fracture event

[ruby lake]

"what if the unsc started off in japan?"

"what if unsc decided to screw their spartans up with technology?"

"what if the unsc was the third reic-"

[spare finch]

master chief mark vi gen 3: laughing in already in the game

so yes and no

[onyx latch]

Eaglestrike is more WW1/WW2/Korean war. W/ Gears of War in the mix.

[old vigil]

Me when Jewish

[ruby lake]

yeah but i cant pull that one image out of my head

[spare finch]

all silver team helmets are in the game
same with visors

but master chief is the only one with an armor kit

[ruby lake]

i hate armor kits

[onyx latch]

Kerberos is a direct reference to the anime Jin Roh Wolf Brigade, AKA Kerberos Panzer Cop.

[ruby lake]

great, now you reminded me of jin roh

[spare finch]

the customization in the master chief armor kit is amazing, I watched a video of the customization

[ruby lake]

so what can you change in it?

[spare finch]

color, visor, emblem, emblem color, armor effects

they're not limited to their designs

[shadow turret]

Really just the coating and VISR bc that's about all ppl use with that kit

but yes, all those things can be changed

[ruby lake]

just like the rest of the k i t s

[shadow turret]

Only works for the S5 and after kits tho, S1 and 2 still can't be changed

[ruby lake]

stormtrooperstormmtrooperstormtroperstormmtroope

[shadow turret]

so Rusalka, Mark V CE, and Mark VI

[spare finch]

the master chief kit has the best kit design which is why people don't customize it often

[shadow turret]

Agreed
Only thing I'm prolly gonna change is the coating, since I love Midway Emerald

[ruby lake]

"look at me guyz im master chie-"

gets sniped

[spare finch]

once I get it all i'ma do to it is add the 7, it looks amazing as is

[spare finch]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-halo-infinite-microsoft-xbox-explosion-gif-2015063521456166974

reminds me of this gif where master chief is strafing and dies to two grenade fails

[spare finch]

srsly one of the funniest halo fails i've seen

[shadow turret]

I just love the Mark VI design of armor, Chief's does look pretty clean but I'll prolly change it up a lil
The kit is never coming off tho, that's the only thing I will use forever

[spare finch]

I used the mk vi for a while up until I got the mk vi gen 1 helmet

[spare finch]

i'll prob permanently use the mk vi gen 3

once I get hero rank, that is...

[ruby lake]

still waiting for the weapon coatings to be converted to armor coatings

and i have a lot of those that look a little good

[spare finch]

cursed

some of those would look hideous

some would look good though

[ruby lake]

i want it same for the vehicle coatings too

[ruby lake]

you dare question me?

[civic sundial]

I just want to see what Burnt Chrome looks like on more than just the Bandit

[slate robin]

I already finished the battle pass

man I miss break out
such a fun mode

[ruby lake]

how much xp does the grunt firefight mode gives?

[spare finch]

around 5000-6000 per round

that is if you have my skill level (you might have it idk)

https://tenor.com/view/master-chief-spartan-spartan-jumpscare-jumpscare-halo-gif-24080379

[zenith holly]

I've gotten around 5k XP per match when I do normal and/heroic based on my score which feels weird it's based on that

[timid locust]

is a 3.2 kd good?

[zenith holly]

In a match or overall?

[tulip tusk]

i had 5.7 kd when i was 4 years old u should practice more

[spare finch]

higher fps = higher kd so not really

i've had 137 kd

[glacial tartan]

There is an AFK community in MCC. Quitting is bannable, but AFKing isn’t. Tickets don’t work on them, I’ve reported some of them for years. Block them and you won’t match them again.

[zenith holly]

Afk community?

[glacial tartan]

People who intentionally AFK all day every day.

[zenith holly]

I didn't play much online MCC but that's low.

[glacial tartan]

It’s not a huge number of people - but it’s pretty low pop right, so if you don’t block them you’ll get them eventually.

[spare finch]

HAHAHAH the commander got jealous of my skill in training mode because I mastered the sniper

I also got called hyperlethal

[ember belfry]

how u get spoils of sparta

i played like six matches already

nvm I just got it

[thorn sierra]

everything is fine now but it lead me before to a page where my miccrosoft profile was and i saw any way 2 get out

[ashen helm]

I'm freaking annoyed and angry about MCC, I've done my besy game since a while, WHEN will you correct this absolutely annoying freeze which closes the game, just 1 frag before the end on Halo 3, seriously!

[ruby lake]

ill never be great with the sniper.

mainly bc i take my time aiming at things with it

[candid fulcrum]

Hey what's the average time it takes for bundles to pop back up in the shop? i.e. when do yall think omega team will be back

[thorn sierra]

Halo infinite's multiplayer is so fun

[crystal iron]

Hi

[ruby lake]

agreed

[tulip tusk]

i rlly enjoy the custom games too

[ruby knoll]

"hold still"
said by a painter or a sniper(jellied)

or both

[ruby lake]

meet the sniper

[foggy dune]

Theres these guys fly hacking and instant killing everyone off spawn in ranked right now, avoiding that playlist entirely

[karmic shoal]

happening rn on gunplexion's stream on twitch lol

[foggy dune]

The cheater already got to 1900 Onyx wild

60 games ruined for others and counting

[karmic shoal]

best anti cheat system ever

[foggy dune]

idk how the anticheat update made the game even more vulnerable it went backwards

It should have been arbiter with eac anticheat added on like they orginally said

also the game doesnt immediately flag someone with a 116kd account

[limpid pollen]

baba booey

[limpid pollen]

i agree, but personally i didnt care too much for most of the guns, the scattershot and incineration cannon were great but the rest just felt unnecessary. mainly just there for enemies to have their own guns. ultimately it would be nice to have them added in but i feel like 343 went out of their way to make sure infinite has a nice weapon pool where each gun fills a niche, no two guns are the same, or even similar really. you come across the issue of having the DMR replace the commando rifle and even encroaching on the BRs territory already

[foggy dune]

cheater has 106 games played 2k onyx is someone gonna ban him

[karmic shoal]

doubt it, there's a guy on mcc who goes into btb lobbies and changes his tag to get people banned

he's been doing it for a year straight and 343 sweeps it under the rug

[foggy dune]

a year straight is wild

They brought the MCC experience to Infinite

[crystal iron]

lol

[tulip tusk]

Damn that's bad 😆

[rain raft]

Iam.playing halo masterchief collection halo ce with my brother why cant we save progress of the game ?

Dont see a option to save

[ashen atlas]

It auto saves at checkpoints

[rain raft]

No it does not we tested it if i turn of my xbox and on again we have to start the complete mission again from the beginning

Not shure why or is there a hidde. Option

2 player coop split screen

[ashen atlas]

You may have to quit the game by pausing. Turning off the Xbox may be messing it up

Or the auto save doesn’t work for coop like I thought

[rain raft]

I chekked on google coop and multiplayer have no save option. Only singel player game there is a option to save .realy sucks

[spare finch]

it's evolving, just backwards - pewdiepie

combat devolved

[thorn sierra]

me in h3 custom games:

[round forge]

Blizzard App just crashed my game WTH.

[white birch]

I still find it crazy to think that Ive never, in all of the games Ive played of various Halo titles, run into someone who I was absolutely sure was cheating.

Then again, presumably if they're that high in ranked I wont ever meet them, and so, thats fine with me.
Have fun with that nerd, and let his real life do him in for us instead.

The curse of you need a job will do the rest...

[spare finch]

cod player issue lol

[celest heron]

the most I've seen was on the original h2c, then a little in the original h4 and h3 mcc.

[spare finch]

halo infinite btb: are you sure about that

[urban nova]

Guys, I just bought halo reach from the flea market today. I live in Germany and the game is in german. The captions are English but the voice over is in German. I'm still learning German but I don't understand most of it. Any way to change the game language? Tried changing my xbox series x location but it didn't work after restarting. Is there any way I can fix that?

[regal rock]

I always found it funny that essential story beats were covered in Halo Wars 2

The banished just kinda turn up in Infinite

They’re just red covenant and for gameplay that’s all they need to be I suppose

[tulip tusk]

I don't think it's possible with a physical copy but I'm not certain

[tulip tusk]

I'm bummed there was no banished scarab they look great in hw2

[young glen]

There's no way to change it, as far as I know. Halo: Reach didn't have multiple languages on disc, it just had the country's language in which it was originally sold.

[regal rock]

Doesn’t the game have language DLC packs?

At least they do on PC

[young glen]

For the 360 version? No, don't think so.

[regal rock]

Grunt themed battle pass

Is this what being back feels like

[forest ether]

i haven’t read any of the books but i’ve started listening to ghosts of onyx is that a bad place to start

i’m at like chapter 16

[regal rock]

This grunt firefight is actually really fun

Had an insane streak with a gungoose. This is true gaming

[ruby lake]

peak gaming

[ember belfry]

what's up with the xp system

I'm not getting nothing when match ends

[halcyon violet]

Uh, which right shoulder piece does Spartan Rosenda wear in the concept art of HALO: Reach?
I know in the Armor Kit in the game has her wearing the CQC Shoulder Pad but in the concept it doesn't look like she's wearing any heavy protective armor on her right shoulder.

[regal rock]

I think Halo players have gotten worse?

At least PvE wise

Back in the day Spartans used to kill grunts by the thousands

Now players think they can solo a grunt hoard with a single stationary warthog

[ruby lake]

"hahaaha! im invincible becauz i can use the turret instead of mowing down hordes!"

the plasma grenades in question:

[golden epoch]

just played halo 5 warzone why tf 343 doesn't add it in infinite too lazy?

[regal rock]

Maybe because it was bad

[ruby lake]

but i liked warzone

(not including the req pack part)

[regal rock]

Infamous Mister Chief video where he calls the players cry babies for not liking bad design choices

Halo 5 really did nearly kill halo lol

[ember belfry]

that’s enough halo for today

I’m seeing the little X that appears when you frag people

[ruby lake]

id headshot

[drifting tartan]

what the hell?!

[crystal iron]

Ikr 12 hour halo day for me

[crystal iron]

They’re saving it for when people complain about needing more content and then release it

[golden epoch]

Literally 343

The game is already dying yet they still LOVE TO KILL HALO

[ruby lake]

i take a shot for everytime when a person says "halo iz dead"

[tulip tusk]

when flying warthog vehicle

[slim flint]

it’s possible, just not practical

[celest heron]

already had those in h2c

[lilac abyss]

I beat the Library on Laso

And I think I'm about half way through Two betrayals

[white birch]

Just dont do it with actual alcohol or you'll give yourself alcohol poisoning.

[ruby lake]

i know

[normal coral]

yo has anyone played the gruntpocalypse with infinite ammo? i did it once first que and since then never seen it
this aint dopamine mining unless i have infinite ammo

[sour acorn]

i am just wondering if their were supposed to be elites in halo 3 odst for lore wise like you teamed up with them or something lol

[tulip tusk]

almost but not yet, i think h3 odst takes place during halo 2

[lusty wraith]

343i added MCC anti-cheat to Infinite to test and fix both

^ said the man who overdosed on copium

[loud goblet]

No, you see
The main problem Halo Infinite had is that there weren't enough cheaters

[lusty wraith]

Finally 343i catering to the classic fans

[golden epoch]

Kind of yes

[golden epoch]

it took place during the 2nd mission in new mombasa

[golden epoch]

it is what it is

[knotty ermine]

Sometimes I wonder if 343 understands how broken the hammer is in maps

insane range for a hammer thats like 2-4 meters away will kill you. there's no skill in using it, too easy to use and kill. it's easier than using a sword cause it can also kill more than 1 person in one swing. and you just preswing to get an easy peak kill.

[knotty ermine]

You think?

[loud goblet]

The hitbox is way crazy

It gets crazier on Husky Raids with the variants

And the Vanished hammer is too unfair

The detection kills someone whenever it feels like it

[knotty ermine]

I just really hate the radius of the damn thing. it's so big that it takes zero skill to get good at it. it's to easy and worse than a rocket cause at least you can repulse a rocket. you can't repulse a hammer attack

[weak jackal]

The ‘balance’ I guess is that it has a brief wind up (which is like in itself half a second to a full second)

But yeah, range is crazy, hitbox is crazy, an Diminisher of Hope just multiplies it

[tawny crow]

Halo 4’s opening cutscene is so frustrating because on one hand, it goes hard af
But on the other hand, it completely breaks continuity.
Even if it wasn’t for the art style, the physical armour is all wrong. The Spartans are all wearing Chief’s unique upgraded mark 6 when they should’ve been wearing either Mk 4 or Mk 5 back then
The covenant (even without the body redesigns) are wearing storm covenant armour instead of the original covenant armours

If anything it would’ve done a lot to help us transition into the new art style if they’d just made the effort to show us the original designs for the flashback instead of pretending that everything always looked that way.

If they could be bothered to fully model a brute that never appears in the game then they could absolutely design chief in his old armour and likewise for the covenant

[civic sundial]

Time and resources are not often on the side of the teams working on games. The Spartans in that cutscene use the armour they do because it was cheaper to reuse the design for all of them than to make new armour that would appear in that cutscene. And the Storm Harness being used is there for the same reasons (Though it does also predate the end of the war within the lore)

[civic sundial]

Lack of effort is not the issue at all. They no doubt would've had those designs appear if they were able to. As for the Brute, they were planned for Halo 4 but got cut. That Chieftain design was likely the only one that was finished before Brutes were cut from the game and thus used for that cutscene to show Spartans fighting more than just Elites

Also like, that cutscene is almost twelve years old, complaining about it having small things like this at this point is pointless given that we have Brutes in Halo again

[tawny crow]

So you’re saying after a certain amount of time passes you aren’t allowed to criticise something?

Also the brute in that cutscene is leagues better than the generic orc designs we have now

[civic sundial]

Not saying it can't be criticised, just at this point it's kinda pointless to make such a big deal out of it

[lusty wraith]

To be fair, 343i literally did the same thing with H:I’s MP trailer

Halo 5 phantom, Infinite Banished weaponry and armor, Mk VII armor but gen 2 Spartans

I get it “Infinite” trailer but it’s still such an annoying choice

[civic sundial]

Again, that comes down to time and resources. Likely just easier for them to use the assets they already had for those than making brand new assets that would appear only there

Also we don't know who those Spartans were in that trailer that rescued Agryna

Could've been IIs or IIIs

[analog salmon]

i couldnt take that trailer seriously at all

its just a trailer though

[onyx latch]

The only thing that actually broke continuity was the Spartans and the Brute weapons, maybe. Granted, the 5 phantom wasn't actively catalogued by the UNSC until 2557; But it's basically a retrofitted clone of old-school (pre HCW) Phantom patterns that apparently did serve in the HCW in limited numbers.

[lusty wraith]

Very true

[onyx latch]

Course, the endless handwringing angst about continuity of cutscenes is annoying. I'm a massive lorenerd and pedant about Halo's kit but it isn't actually difficult to turn that off when need be.

[lusty wraith]

Just wish it wasn’t such a… nothing trailer if you get me lol, the music specifically was great, made me excited back then 😭

[civic sundial]

It was basically just to advertise Infinite's multiplayer

[civic sundial]

I'd need to rewatch it but the Brutes all use Pulse Carbines in that cutscene, right? I don't remember seeing any other weapons used by them

[onyx latch]

If they did, then the guns are fine.

Because the Pulse Carbine is another old covenant gun, like the stalker rifle.

I'm pretty sure the only postwar plasma rifle model was the storm rifle, actually.

Oh, no, apparently that was only catalogued in 2555 despite being in service for a few decades, so even that one isn't weird.

[lilac abyss]

I beat Two Betrayals on laso

It took 12 hours 🔥

[frosty condor]

nice!

[unique mango]

What do you mean by old

[onyx latch]

Like, it's what the Covenant used to use, and still did use, during the HCW. It belonged to the Covenant, the Covenant made it.

[unique mango]

Just wondering

[unique mango]

Ohhhh

I was about say are you crazy the beam rifle is old but now I see it

[onyx latch]

Jul Mdama's Covenant did the same thing with their Beam Rifle-took a massive amount out of extremely old armories.

[tulip tusk]

i cant trust my head 😭 for couple reason

[knotty ermine]

lol and yet that brief wind up is what people use to just preswing so you can kill them before they even see you

[unique mango]

I mean jul was not entirely covenant he was part of the hand of the didact

[onyx latch]

Jul was formerly a Shipmaster in the Covenant.

[unique mango]

True

[onyx latch]

Due to the end of the war and his actions after, he became the Hand of the Didact; And like most post-war Covenant splinter factions, his stole and looted from ancient armories and such so that they had the tools to wage war.

Hence the old stocks of equipment.

Much, if not most, of said equipment is either older than the wielders, or brand new and made because the Covenant war material ran out.

[unique mango]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-vader-star-wars-thumbs-up-thumb-gif-15070496362759495087

[urban nova]

Guys, is halo infinite gonna run smoothly if my laptop has 4 GB of ram? I'm gonna be playing on performance quality

[ashen atlas]

Is that vram or ram?

[slate robin]

do they still do clip of week?

[ashen atlas]

4 gb of ram ain’t gonna do much these days

4gb of vram I think is the bare minimum for infinite

[urban nova]

Kk, thx. I changed my mind anyway I don't have enough funds to buy the game

[signal ivy]

are you interested in campaign or MP?

[unborn mauve]

343 try not to kill Halo challenge: failed

[spice dragon]

What game mode is best for the weekly challenge? I didn’t think killing 3 enemy Spartans from behind would be this challenging 👀 please @ me.

[tulip tusk]

firefight

[spice dragon]

Yeah, definitely not. I’m not a fool, but thanks for trying!

Anyone have a serious answer?

[tulip tusk]

im serious it does work, the challenge description lies

[spice dragon]

I’m sure that totally works 🤥

[tawny halo]

I have a hot take

Halo ODST was unique in the fact that you actually have to use stealth sometimes

[tulip tusk]

someone back me up pls

[tawny halo]

In mainline halo games you can just go in guns blazing, even on legendary

While even on normal you need stealth for ODST

So that you don’t get one shot melee’d by the brutes

[spice dragon]

I’ve gotten active camo and tried being sneaky. I know I’ve gotten the 3 melee kills, but it shows I don’t. That’s why I’m asking. I’ve already thought of the stealthy way.

[tawny halo]

I always like ODST

From the music to the story

[spice dragon]

ODST was good

[tawny halo]

It’s all just put together well

From the music to the atmosphere trying to get to the next level

[tulip tusk]

trust me spartan hop into gruntpocalypse get 3 backsmacks on grunt then check challenge your faith will be restored

[tawny halo]

It all just fits with the idea that you aren’t some lone wolf Spartan war machine. You have to think before rushing in & you have to work for the ending

[shadow turret]

I haven't done this weeks yet but I've done a previous weekly that was the same and did it in firefight

[tawny halo]

It makes you feel a lot more attached

[spice dragon]

With all due respect, I’m not about to be trolled.

[tawny halo]

But then again, you can still just rush in with a Spartan laser & SPNKR & murder all the enemies, so it still keeps the feel of halo

[shadow turret]

you won't be, I know 110% bc I've done a previous one worded exactly the same in Firefight

[tawny halo]

You just need to be more concerned about health

The end of the Rookie’s story is really sad honestly, they deserved better