halo-discussion

[crystal iron]

Right now I seem.tombe getting a lot of stuttering during gamelay

[empty rapids]

bro the skbmm in quickplay is just not pairing me with equal teams

this carry all matchmaker is so annoying

[left snow]

I can only find one gamer tag starting with ajar manatee...

Taking out games that were disconnected... Your last 10 resulted games are 6W. 1D. 3L.

Apologies if this isn't you.

...
What do you mean by unequal teams?

The MM typically balances out the teams well - it's more the structure (skill gap) in those teams that is the problem.

[empty rapids]

couple of noobies on my team with a team of semi-experienced to experienced folks

also that's better than i thought it'd be

but yeah i dont like playing quickplay to super sweat but you're kind of forced to lol

[crystal iron]

Oh dang tommarow we get a better look at firefight, than the next day we get the actual thing...
Very much loving forward to this moment

[left snow]

I try to think of it in slightly different terms.

SBMM expects you play at a certain level. It will pitch the 50:50 outcome at this level of intensity. But you aren't forced into playing at any particular level of output.

The key to staying chill in social is a consistent intensity. At a level that keeps your blood pressure down.

There are a lot of people that can't. They want more kills. Higher KD. More wins. If they are behind they will go into beast mode to get in front. If they are in front they will set out to destroy the opposition. And then they wonder why SBMM expects them to play at that intensity in the next game.

My social philosophy is to play for fun. Take the losses on the chin. Stop looking at stats. And T bag as many people as you can. It's amazing how sweat free it can be.

[crystal iron]

Always T bag, if your not Y bagging in social, are you really even playing it to the max

[twin crag]

Are u trying to say that SBMM forces a 50/50 win/loss?

[coarse dagger]

No

It does not force anything

It tries to give both teams as close to a 50% chance of winning a match as it can, the rest is up to each team

[wise lichen]

if that were true then people wouldn't be complaining. the amount of games ive had where im given team mates that have only played 20 games against folks that have over 2k+ under their belt is ridiculous, if things were 50/50 i wouldn't be given window lickers for team mates.

[coarse dagger]

Please don't ping on replies, thanks

[wise lichen]

didn't realise that was a ping, my bad yo

[celest heron]

the system is expecting everyone to get a certain amount of kills which will give a 50% chance of winning if they do even with 'window lickers'. The problem is that doesn't always happen for various reasons which it can't predict and so games can end up worse.

it can also expect good players to carry which isn't fun and it can also lead to the bad ones getting destroyed cause the other team's good players are doing the same and so the bad ones don't have fun either.

[wise lichen]

i really hope they adjust it, because that isn't fun for either side.

[full warren]

been playing at night time lately and its been good, today wanted to try some games during the day omg the SBMM is bad

[wise lichen]

gotta love those forced losses man

[full warren]

I am getting over 2/3 of my teams kills and still loosing, I think during the day the match making is even more spread

They must loosen to match making when there is not enough players

Had a running riot game and still a loss LOL, some of my team mates can't get 400 damage total in a 10 mins game session

[wise lichen]

had a game where 3 people in a 4v4 got 1 kill and 12 deaths

and of course the enemy team has folks with 2k+ games

[full warren]

yeah they need their own queue

no one is having fun when literally onyx players are playing vs guys with 0 games played

[wise lichen]

not even ranked is safe

[coarse dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_x0LVnITTg

[coarse dagger]

https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/firefight-king-of-the-hill-preview

[low musk]

Nice

[civic sundial]

My big question about House of Reckoning which arena is it we're gonna be fighting in? The first or second floor arena?

[rocky cipher]

looks like first floor

no pelican to be seen

[dusk thunder]

I’m just worried this might be a rotating playlist

[civic sundial]

Firefight is gonna stay, no way is PvE matchmaking a rotational playlist

[rocky cipher]

thats an easy way to piss off a good chunk of your community at a time when the vibes are relatively high lol

[dusk thunder]

Yeah, hence why I’m a little concerned

[left snow]

No such thing. Nothing is forced.

[left snow]

In most cases it seems to be population dependent.

But I also feel that 343 have consciously widened the lobbies to reduce wait times.

A Match Composer would go a long way to alleviating some of the problem.

[glacial tartan]

This would require 343 to utilize existing frameworks instead of creating fun new systems/requirements.

[full warren]

Yeah but also I have no idea what is the wait time, when it says 1 mins wait time i get queue in 5 seconds. when it says 0:15 I have to wait 30 seconds like it doesn't make sense because it probably is the USA waittime

and yes I would love a match composer

[wise lichen]

sure doesn't feel like it

not saying you're wrong, but i'd be lying if i said the sbmm currently in place didn't feel unfair at times with how hard i have to carry

[glacial tartan]

What does SBMM mean to people? Sucks that this conversation has become what it has, it could have been very interesting but nowadays people lose and instantly go "well SBMM nothing I could do" ZzzzZZzz

[rocky cipher]

SBMM means a relatively balanced skill levels between both teams

[glacial tartan]

And most players are average and not getting forced out of wins by this system.

[rocky cipher]

if I have a bunch of career rank silvers vs an 8 stack of onyxs and heroes, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine that the enemy team might have a better chance of winning than my team ever could lmao

[glacial tartan]

Which is a very egregious example and likely not happening very oftne. But everyone acts like thats every game they are in lol

[celest heron]

the thread in the other channel has a better discussion on it.

[wise lichen]

it genuinely feels that way man, you can check how many games people have played in the post results screen, happens to me ALOT

tired of this "doesn't happen to me, therefore the issue doesn't exist hurr hurr" nonsense

[glacial tartan]

This happens to me - so I understand it - but very few players fall into the bands where it would be a nuisance day to day.

The number of people complaining about it by definition cant be true. Most games will fall into completely expected matchups.

If there is proof that the matchmaker is purposefully forcing players on either ends together thats different.

[glacial tartan]

Assuming Infinite is also using PlayFab for matchmaking (not sure, more familiar w/ Infinite) there is an estimated wait time returned to you once your MM ticket is created. You can easily run a network sniffer and see the wait time 🙂

[rocky cipher]

if you're very consistent with how you perform in BTB, thats not an egregious example

the game tries too hard to have you make up for your other teammates short comings

[frosty condor]

https://tenor.com/view/finally-yes-gif-8757348453801494762

WERE SO BACK BB

[glacial tartan]

Its a lot more nuanced than people think. You need an abnormally high MMR to be put into lobbies with "teammates who dont know how to move" (or some variation of this insult people like to say).

And if you are usually getting 40+ kills and the system puts you in a lobby expecting you to get 40+ kills then its working as expected, no?

Personally I draw issues when the system makes those kinds of matchups but to do so if gives one side 1/2 good players and totally brand new players vs 3/4 average when its actually unwinnable

[glacial tartan]

"Halo is back" every single patch, kind of wild

[white birch]

Halo never left.
Those who were mad for various reasons did. Those of us who simply shrugged and played without letting anything particularly bother us have never gone anywhere.

[frosty condor]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-disrespect-dr-d-yayaya-ya-yaya-gif-15335538

[signal ivy]

[frosty condor]

[rocky cipher]

Sounds like you're not a real halo fan /s

[white birch]

Like the term "world", "true Halo fan" is a wide and undefined catagory

[glacial tartan]

I criticize 343, therefore I'm not a Halo fan either according to some 😦

[sullen owl]

To be fair, fan is short for fanatic: "marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion". So no, you wouldn't be a fan. Not many would be.

[white birch]

The term has shifted its meaning, aye.
Wasnt it coined in reference to Star Trek nerds back in the day?

[glacial tartan]

This isnt true but it was a cute attempt

Edited because you were partially correct and I misread - it may come from the word fanatic but that doesnt mean it would have the same definition, right? 😄

[misty vale]

Boxing "fanciers" in the 1600s.

[crystal iron]

That's because it's Bungie fault for halo downfall not 343s

You blind haters forget that halo Reach started the divide of the halo community and fractured it permanently

You're evil

[rugged quartz]

I think you need to chill and no need to get so dramatic.

[neon vapor]

I feel like halo reach kinda already set the ground for what halo 4 became. So honestly while I personally don’t really like 4 I can understand what 343 was coming from then.

[zinc flax]

4 was just Reach with a different coat of paint and redesign on the artstyle

Which was really interesting tbh

[glacial tartan]

"the divide of the Halo community" - sort-of. I know you're upset that competitive Halo took a huge hit but to say that fractured the community permanently seems like a stretch

[civic sundial]

There's plenty of factors that led to Halo not being the juggernaut it was back in 2007

Both from the changes made to the games over the years and from external factors

[onyx latch]

Halo was an UNSTOPPABLE JUGGERNAUT UNABLE TO BE STOMPED until 343I TOOK THE HELM

(please ignore general gaming climate shifting to prefer loadouts and more specialized/varied off-spawn gameplay, which in turn led to the rise of the battle royale and extraction shooter)

(For the love of god please ignore that fact)

[civic sundial]

Or the community members saying contradictory statements and expecting quite literally the games to be so good they are able to cure all illnesses of the world

[onyx latch]

I'm an old-school Unreal Tournament and Quake guy. Halo's 'arena shooter' label meant it really needed to do some evolving, or risk death.

There's a reason those games don't get new sequels.

[civic sundial]

Aye and you have to appreciate that each Halo since Reach has tried different things to spice up the experience

I don't think making an official battle royale mode is worth it for the series, especially now with how many years it's been since BR games became popular. Plus let's be honest, it's not exactly easy to make a BR game that competes with Fortnite

[onyx latch]

Oh, I don't think Halo's really meant for a BR style mode anyways, despite having relatively cartoony physics.

[glacial tartan]

Its really boring when every time a conversation comes up regarding this topic its diluted down to "343 bad" as a way to handwave any criticism.

They are trying, it hasnt worked, and that statement doesnt mean I hate the games or the company behind it. Hopefully there's continued improvement.

Excited for people to get Firefight tomorrow - the PvE community has been left wanting for a long time now

[craggy urchin]

Yeah I won't be fighting pro's for once

[coarse dagger]

While I don't think it needs it by any means, I think it would be an interesting concept with Halo's sandbox and gameplay.

[left snow]

That "Inheritor" mode provided a taste of what a Halo Battle Royale could look like.

Has that sustained it's popularity?

[silk solar]

Bold to assume the divide of the community was the whole downfall of halo

The sprint topic is worth nothing compared to the other problems 343 have caused

Halo reach is one of the highest regarded games regardless, pointless argument

If I’m being honest it’s 2024 there’s no reason sprint shouldn’t be in a game

[white birch]

Cystom browser games running it seem pretty full.

[crystal iron]

Firefight tommarow ... my body is ready

[ashen atlas]

[ruby knoll]

ew no

[craggy urchin]

Why are people complaining about sprint

I never understand that it's quality of life

[dusky nova]

i'm not saying it's a bad feature and i agree the complaints about it are kind of overblown, but calling it a "quality of life" feature is just...wrong

that is not what a quality of life feature is

[craggy urchin]

I'm sorry sliding mobility not going super slow

Look for me that's quality of life improvement because it's much faster to do everything interesting

Not saying you have to agree but that's my opinion

[dusky nova]

I mean it's very distinctly a gameplay feature, thus it's not really "QoL". That's not down to opinion.

[craggy urchin]

Okay well then for me it's a positively impacting feature

[thorn garden]

Sprinting is a neat feature

[craggy urchin]

I love sliding you can get extra air from it

In campaign that was really useful

[onyx latch]

QoL changes can include gameplay changes. They don't always do so, but they can.

Not that I think Sprint is a QoL change. I'd say seat swapping is, but not sprint.

[ruby knoll]

seat swapping is easily one of the best qol changes from halo 5

[crystal iron]

I think the servers crashed, I can't.lpad up Halo infinite

It's back up for me, Wel that was.weird the game just had a slight aneurysm for me lol

Dear God Team slayer left those last two games putting me with High skilled players who gapped us by 15 points quickly.

No way Inwas saying in that round just to be cannon fodder

But tommarow I don't have to worry about Sweats cus I'ma have Firefight, where the sweats don't roam lol

[thorn garden]

Gotta love it

[low musk]

16 hours till the update

[white birch]

More importantly: if the sweats do come in, they'll be on your team.
Let them do the heavy lifting: a win is a win

[serene furnace]

Or be sweaty yourself, it also works

[crystal iron]

That's not why I play so ial though if I play like that thast when I play ranked. I play social to be casual

[crystal iron]

I kinda feel like they won't really do well, like they will leave the team.hanging

[serene furnace]

You play casual when you're in social, but do your enemies?

[crystal iron]

I mean SBMM is sapposed to put me with players amongst my level so if I play casual it should in theory put me with players who play the same. Not Players who think Fiesta or Team.Slayer is the HCS qualifiers.

[white birch]

Then they'll die alone. As is always the case with firefight since back in ODST

[crystal iron]

Sometimes I think the players who play Ultra Sweaty in Social are the ones who get destroyed in ranked cus they couldnt handle that Level of play so they have to boost their fragile egos

[craggy urchin]

Yeah solo sucks (I didn't have anyone to play with but true(

[serene furnace]

There were people in Halo 5 Warzone Firefight that intentionally splattered you to steal the boss kill
Luckily the game allowed you to kick out a teammate after getting betrayed twice

[crystal iron]

Dear God I just quit another game the Ping was going from 45-120 lol Inwas lie hmm my shots don't seem to be hitting or doing much damage than saw that and was that could be it.

Firefight will also hopefully bring back the day of players using mics... Granted my team might hear me being Literally very sweaty as I play while did it my stationary bike

Jesus The game put me back into the game I quit.

Why does it do that I clearly chose to leave for a reason.

Don't put me back in that same game

[left snow]

Social is supposed to a spread of skills separated into two even teams.

It just goes a bit too far at the moment.

[silk solar]

When does the next opportunity to get a unicorn emblem come

[left snow]

It's all relative.

That player beating you could be someone going at 110% ... or it could be a semi-pro half paying attention while binge watching Netflix.

[crystal iron]

Dude I'm a Gold one and.rhatbwas me trying 110% in ranked.... no way this game should be putting me up against anyone higher than gold

[left snow]

I would have thought plus or minus a division ok. As long as the teams are balanced.

In a 1v1 you would be 25:75 vs a Platinum 1.

[ashen atlas]

That kind of depends on where you rank in gold. If you’re gold 4,5,6. It kind of makes more sense to place you with people who are low platinum

[crystal iron]

I'm Gold 1 and like almost Back to Silver lol

[smoky stone]

what? HCE and Halo 2 are likely the highest regarded Halo games.

[craggy urchin]

Still highly regarded

[smoky stone]

Reach was trash. Bloom was a bad mechanic to put into the game.

[craggy urchin]

I think it's the story tbh

[smoky stone]

ah, i dont pay much attention to that

[craggy urchin]

Fair enough but a lot of people do

[smoky stone]

yeah I know. halo has a very wide variety of people who play the game. I'm more niche, really only interested in the esports part of the game.

and Reach was god awful for that

[bleak knot]

What time does tomorrow's Firefight launch happen? I only came back to the game recently so I'm not really familiar with how/when updates roll out. Does the patch drop on daily reset time?

[white birch]

Probably at reset like usual

So 11am PST

[bleak knot]

ok rad

(I want it to come out sooner 😭 )

I've waited 2yrs though I'll make it 13 more hours 🙏

[half kiln]

It should be a crime for husky to sbmm

[bleak knot]

That's been like my only honest to god gripe with the game since I came back a month or so ago

Party game modes should not have SBMM lol. Or if they must, make it way less tight than the regular playlists. Super fiesta and Husky Raid and Social Slayer having SBMM just feels so counterintuitive

[half kiln]

Its mad annoying

[bleak knot]

Sitting there fighting for my life in super fiesta is not what im here for for sure lol

main reason I've gravitated really hard toward BTB in Infinite

the lower playercount modes just feel way too intense SBMM-wise. It was okay the first couple days I came back, but after a week of playing the SBMMing really started pinching down hard, and I could tell. I was improving and reacclimating with the game, but playing worse because I was getting stacked against 4v4 god squads

[half kiln]

Idk why you cant just do the original halo 3 system. Literally the best one

[bleak knot]

yeah i agree. Halo has always had SBMM of some sort, it just feels a bit much in this game

[white birch]

Its not the game. It's the gamers

[bleak knot]

I mean that's definitely part of it, but the way SBMM is tuned absolutely does matter a lot for PvP games so you can't really dismiss it as not mattering and just saying the playerbase is too full of tryhards.

Halo Infinite definitely is at that low enough player population count where a lot of the players that are here are players who've more or less been here the whole time. More dedicated, experienced, better players generally, so I kind of get where you're coming from I think, but SBMM still matters a lot in a climate like that, especially right now with a pretty good amount of players coming back to the game with the good press it's been getting lately since like end of Season 4.

[half kiln]

Party modes with sbmm are no longer party modes

[summer dew]

I'm currently on my yearly Halo-binge and I'm reminded of how good Marty O'Donnell is. The final 20 seconds of Tip of the Spear at the end of Reach's credits with the ring in the picture as the score climaxes brings a tear to my eye.

[smoky stone]

did halo esports get a new starting weapon set?

ranked arena has a new starting weapon?

[karmic delta]

Funny enough, I turned off player outlines globally and found I do so much better now. Even though I glow to other players (which puts me at a disadvantage technically) I've been way better at landing headshots. I also get to enjoy the map environments better without all the distracting neon! Just topped a btb slayer match on that map with the banished anti-air cannon (forget the name). I definitely recommend other people who have a hard time landing kill shots and who just generally don't like outlines to try it! Next thing I need is service tags for friendlies instead of only full GT's or blips..

I played a match with outlines on infinite SWAT and went negative 6 then played reach SWAT and went 29/5... I really don't get it.. then after returning to infinite with outlines disabled, I managed to go 26/4! It seems to be something about the outlines that throws me off

[frosty condor]

Yes, the new starting weapon is the Bandit Evo

[karmic delta]

I need that in swat

[frosty condor]

As a controller player, no.

Such a strong advantage for pc folks

Aim and click

[karmic delta]

I'm a controller player too

Idk, I still win my private warm-ups against my friends who are m+kb. Usually before going into MM we do a couple FFA rounds among the four of us

They're CSGO players too. I know infinite is different, but they're trained shots on their preferred devices

[frosty condor]

All I’m saying is the skilled users with the bandit evo will definitely wreck shop if it was in swat

[karmic delta]

Try using the legacy control scheme too maybe. I found clicking the joystick down like in older halos was easier to reflex my scoped/ads and land shots

[frosty condor]

I’ve been using bumper jumper since h3

Idk how people use left trigger to ADS when there’s descope involved

[karmic delta]

Oh okay so you're set then otherwise. It's too bad we can't see what controls others are using like in MCC. Hopefully they add that later just for our own knowledge

[smoky stone]

it's pretty sick, reminds me of HCE pistol

[crystal iron]

Are you ready for firefight, Cus I am.

Oh yea

Also about how often does everyone change their armor coatings or do you stick with the same one

[hard inlet]

halo

[crystal iron]

We need a Epic Saxophone version of Craig the Brute

[ruby knoll]

Michael salva-who?

[shrewd aspen]

what time does the update drop?

[ruby knoll]

@shrewd aspen 10am 343 time

[crystal iron]

Not too long now, And when I wake up I'll have Halo I finite already Auto Updated

[stiff nebula]

I am if the career exp is good otherwise I'll try it out a few time for fun and go back to grinding out hero rank in Husky raid.

[crystal iron]

I'm in no rush to reach Hero so I will most likely spend 98% of my Halo Infinite Playing time in there.

From what I read though the XP is going to be very much Performance based.

For layers who make not the whole 5 waves with no deaths I'd assuming you will bank some Good XP.

I don't see them Nerfing the XP in Firefight but if you do poorly it will possibly reflect on the XP.

[stiff nebula]

I wish I was like that lol I've been in a mad dash to reach hero asap since I didnt even start grinding it till last month and want to make up for lost time haha also enjoy bro since firefight looks to be pretty awesome and fun

[left snow]

The problem is if you take SBMM out then half the population is constantly fighting for their life.

Some will go on long losing streaks.

Good players will team up and pretty much never lose.

I agree that the way SBMM works at the moment needs review (tighter lobbies).

But I really don't think no SBMM would work.

[crystal iron]

They need to stop disbanding teams after each match too. Just make a post game lobby

You know after each match both teams are still there, if people want to leave they can back out and not will bring in a new player, and the game will auto Que the team into the next round.

[bleak knot]

I agree and I would never advocate for the removal of SBMM from the game, but I just don't see why it exists in party modes at all. In Super Fiesta especially, spawning with a grav hammer and a rocket launcher with a grapple equipment while your enemy spawns with an AR, stalker rifle, and a smokescreen is just deeply unserious gameplay (that I love, I play it a lot) and when you have SBMM working the way that it does it just feels kind of awful a lot of the time. It's a game mode defined by its random player loadout inequality on maps with nonsense spawns where spawnkills are incredibly normal, so it just feels out of place. If it were toned way down, that would help for sure, but it just feels kind of weird that it's there at all when you can spawn in with almost an auto-win condition for your next handful of gunfights.

Fiesta is kind of just the most extreme example though, I def agree that SBMM of some form should exist in like Social Slayer and Husky Raid I guess, just a bit toned down from what it is.

[bleak knot]

Yeah this too, it's kind of weird. This seems like kind of a common thing in newer FPS games though, pre and post-game lobbies just getting axed entirely. I don't even know if newer CoD games still have this tbh

It makes games feel even more impersonal than they already are, and online games have become much less socially friendly over the past decade already

I don't have any friends who play this game because it's kind of impossible to make them with the way that it works now, and it's kind of an issue that most modern games suffer from.

[crystal iron]

The New CODs have a Pre game and post game Lobby kinda nuts a quick one, they still break up teams though.

But the ability to Mute, and join other players is better streamlined over the way Halo infinite does it.

But also the new cods give you the option to stick with the same team. Before the end of the match it will say Do you want to play with the same players and each player can vote yes or no, the ones that vote yes will be on the same.team in the next round

And the COD games will automatically que you into the next round.

With Halo Infinitie havee to manually select search for next March

[bleak knot]

Like how would I ever possibly meet and make friends with people in Halo Infinite. Especially if I'm not actively on voice chat, what am I going to do, type at people during the match? Because you sure can't type to people after the match, the moment it ends you're no longer able to communicated in any way. It's just so antisocial and cold feeling compared to how games used to be

[white birch]

Wonder how Fortnite handles it

[bleak knot]

The way Destiny does it seems like kind of a happy middle ground, where there aren't really pre-game or post-game lobbies, but it will try to keep lobbies and teams intact so long as there isn't a bad skill imbalance after matches.

[crystal iron]

some people used to argue that teams can't stick together after matches because of SBMM, but obviously COD allows players opt in to stick together and they also have a rather Crazy SBMM model

Maybe with the next code fixes weight see them Implement something similar where you can vote to stick together after each match or a return of post game lobbies

[bleak knot]

I think the way SBMM works in this game is probably part of the issue though. From a handful of videos I've watched about it, it apparently works by trying to determine the winner before the match, which it might struggle to do if it's not just making entirely new matchups after every game.

Seems like it might muck up the way lobby-based matchmaking used to work

[bleak knot]

It'd be really nice anyway, but I won't hold my breath 😅 They've been making a lot of really good changes though, and the game I came back to last month is so different and so much better than the game I abandoned in December 2021, so I'll always just aim for being pleasantly surprised

[crystal iron]

I mean if enough of the community suggest it they might take a swing at bringing back post game lobbies or a way to learn teams from being disbanded at the end of each match.

Im not a programmer but I also don't see it being an overly difficult task

[bleak knot]

Yeah I'd definitely love to see it. They seem like they've had their ears really close to the ground on community feedback so I won't count it out 🙏 I guess far crazier things have been done already since the game's launch, like Forge etc.

[crystal iron]

When 343 moved away from Post game lobbies I think they slowly chipped away at the social aspect of Halo just a small bit.

A lot of fun times in the post game lobbies were had.

And honestly the game lobbies in Halo weren't ever really that Bad in terms of Toxic, it never held a Candle to COD, especially in the Black Ops 1&2 era

[bleak knot]

And even as bad as those were, some of the people I met in BO2 lobbies were people I kept playing with for the next 3 installments after it. None of my current friends play Infinite, so it's kind of a game I just play by myself in my own time. FPS games were always social games I played with friends, and a lot of the time those were people I'd just randomly meet in-game, even as introverted and quiet as I usually am. So playing Halo alone now just feels so odd, like I'm really enjoying the game but I feel weird playing it lol

[crystal iron]

One thing I do say though, Is I don't think Halo Itself works well as a Battlepass Live service type of game..

It's kinda feels like if anything that's limits the games potential.

Games.like COD and Fortnight are pretty simple and have a wide variety to expand with when it comes to content, they have a lot of wiggle room

Fortnite and COD are all about their character skins and that kinda stuff. And they have an I finite range of Character skins they can put into the game.

Where as Halo doesn't really have that much room for chat after skins. It's not like we can get a Nikki Minaj Spartan or the Snoop dog armor core. Or an Ariana Grande Bundle.

Halo is very limited and somit didn't feel right for it to go the path of Live service Battlepass, but at last here we are

[bleak knot]

Yeah that's super valid and something I hadn't even thought of before lol

[crystal iron]

When you think about it at least 50% of the store in Halo is just stuff we got free in previous games or had to earn through some achievement.

Now it's just being resold to us as a Microtransactions because really that's the only option they have with the game.

[bleak knot]

Yeah, like being a really good FPS game can only really carry you so far. It's the systems surrounding the gameplay (battlepass + earnables and unlockables etc.) that really gives a live-service game longevity, and Halo is a little weird in that sense. I mean it's a large part of why it died off so hard and lost 90-something percent of it's playercount within a month of launch, the player unlockables and restrictiveness of the armor core system really just insta-killed the hype for most people. I'm one of them too, I stuck around for the first 3 weeks, got really annoyed with the fact that my 100-ish hours of gameplay had earned me almost nothing even on my premium battlepass, and left. Until a month ago. And thankfully now things are much much better in those areas with armor cores being much less obtuse and myriad improvements to unlockables and progression and battlepass EXP, but more definitely still needs to be done if they want to keep up with the current.

[coarse dagger]

When you think about it at least 50% of the store in Halo is just stuff we got free in previous games
You still had to pay for it by buying the game

[crystal iron]

Right now though Fortnite has the superior Store front model in terms of sheer volume and Value per cost.

But again they are not limited on anyway. The amount of a media they can pull from to fill their store is essentially infinite.

[coarse dagger]

And Xbox Live

[bleak knot]

Yeah it's a hell of roadblock compared to the competition

[crystal iron]

Yes I'm aware but after a few purchases you basically exceed the game value.

Buying three or four armor sets in Halo Infinite runs you the same.amount of a copy of Halo reach

[coarse dagger]

Please don't ping on replies, thanks

[crystal iron]

And we still have to pay for Xbox live

[coarse dagger]

Not for Infinite, it's multiplayer completely free to play

[crystal iron]

The point Inwas making though is that the game didn't translate very well into a Battlepass Live Service Model.

As it was very limited with what it can offer outside of the Microtransactions.

It's free to pay but if you want the armor you had in previous games, eventually that will exceed the price you payed for that one game

Don't you also.still.need Gamepass on your Xbox account to play Halo Infinite

[coarse dagger]

Nope, only for campaign

Multiplayer does not require any kind of subscription

No free to play games do on Xbox now

[crystal iron]

Somif my Xbox Gamepass Ultimate expires today I can still boot up.mt.series X and Play Halo Infinite

[coarse dagger]

Yes

[languid prism]

i really wish sbmm was better, so tired of carrying all the damn time

at least FF comes out later today, hopefully the career rank xp is good.

[bleak knot]

The point about the armor seems kind of ridiculous, like sure the base games costed $60, but they came with far more armor options than you can get with even quadruple that amount of money compared to Infinite, so that argument really falls flat for me

Not to mention you also had playable Elites too, which were also customizable

In this game you have the MCC armor running you for 20 or 30 USD alone, idk.

[crystal iron]

But my point wasmt what you stated though my point was it didn't translate over to Battle pass format very well in terms of content with Store options.

I hokestly think of they had kept the old color system and made the coating system another option that goes over your custom color choice, the coatings thing would have been better well received

The COD weapons skins actually do this, I have the Polyatomic Al j for my KV broadside and a Volcanic Magma Animated skin that makes it look like it's got flames coming from it.

Looks pretty sick

[bleak knot]

Oh sorry I wasn't calling your point ridiculous, I meant stckr's response. I worded that badly

The bit about it not technically being free because you had to pay for the game

[crystal iron]

No I was responding to the other guy but he doesn't like being long so it can get confusing

[bleak knot]

ohhhhhh ok ok

[left snow]

Just pointing out it doesn't. It just grabs players to fill the lobby and then divides into two equal teams.

It can put a % on likely winner though. You just average the player MMR curves into a team MMR and then subtract the two team MMRs. Hey presto, a curve that represents winning probability.

[bleak knot]

Oh ok interesting

[crystal iron]

Yes but they didn't seem to get that my original point was that the Halo Infinite game in terms of Live service content is very limited.

But that's just becaise the game is more grounded on its lore even with the Cores that are not canon they are still somewhat of a Halo Vibe

When it comes to revenue I think The Halo store does well for itself but is no where near the league of what Fortnite, Roblox, and COD put up in numbers but again those games basically break lore and do whatever and.tjay community is done with it.

Of 343 dropped in Pete Davidson armor core I'm sure there will be riots lol

However Im surprised they haven't explored the Possibility of Spartan voice Microtransactions or even have more AI voice options .

Doubt the community would be cool with a Snoop Dog AI voice or Spartan voice though lol

[smoky wave]

The not having more AI goes more of that it's more expensive to make than an armor

They have to make it in different languages, in different game modes (old and new) and all. So different voice actors and all that too

On paper sounds awesome but I can see why we didn't get any since season 2

[coarse dagger]

That and things like SAG being on strike

[smoky wave]

That too

[crystal iron]

Yea the SAG thing really put a damper on stuff.

But my point being that The whole Live Service Battlepass thing didn't translate well with Halo Infinite.

That model requires essentially a constant new shiney thing.

Essentially Fortnite and COD cator to players have a shorter attention span, or need that constant dopamine hit.

Halo was more a slower methodically thing and you would earn certain things for completing achievements

Like I beat the campaign on LASO, that would have been a cool Exclusive armor or emblem type of reward opportunity

[languid prism]

pve cannot come soon enough, christ. Another husky raid match where i'm 37-12 and the rest is something terrible like 3-28, 4,18, etc.

[smoky wave]

Doesn't help that the general reception of AI's are also like kinda mixed too, to the point of having a toggle to deactivate

[crystal iron]

I doubt they will. It on hope 343 doesn't Nerf the XP gain from Firefight to artificially keep players in PVP

[crystal iron]

I do like the AI, I prefer the Brute AI, as in my mind My Spartan ressembles Grey team.

Kinda has a slight bloodlust operates outside the conventional means of things, and is ok with committing a warcrime or two if Neccesary to save lives and succeed at the mission

I would say My Spartan is a Cumulation of Gray Team, Emile and Noble 6

When cross core shoulders comes out, I'ma have that Skull shoulder on MK7

[stiff nebula]

Inb4 they have a Niki Minaj voice AI lololol

[crystal iron]

Not gonna lie, Now I kinda want to see how that would work, what would the duologue be like

I wonder how Halo Resonates with the younger generation though like my kids 13 and says Halo is for old people.

Sometimes I wonder if Halo Will be relevant in like 10 years. Kinda feel like most of the most of the Die hard Fanbase would be aging it soon.

I explained to my kid what LAN parties are and just said Why didn't you guys just play online. Lol.

LAN parties hit different I guess, the large cans of Mountain dew Code red, bags of Doritos and Funions.

The odd question of who dropped a Gas bomb..

Followed by Ordering pizza and consuming way to many calories that would invite both Type 1 and type 2;diabetes

[left snow]

As long as people realise the solution to that is actually tighter SBMM (for the lobby).

[languid prism]

Just venting, it's hard to want to keep playing when you lose 3/4 games you play because sbmm balancing thinks that's fair. Tighter sbmm i'd be down to try to see if it'll fix things

[crystal iron]

You know what's bad is I found ranked to be less Sweaty than Social. And my games I lost weren't total snowballs in terms of score, even when we were losing it was still possibly to actually turn it around.

[left snow]

It's worth going back over your game history. Usually you will see that it balances out over a few days. You have good runs and bad runs.

[stiff nebula]

Unpopular opinion but I kinda like SBMM since I enjoy the challenge and sweats lol

[crystal iron]

For me SBMM isn't the only issue since I play fiesta I have noticed a lot of Issues with weapons in particular the gravity hammer and rocket launcher, their damage is inconsistent.

[left snow]

I find it the complete opposite.

It's weird what different people find stressful.

In Ranked I stress over every kill. Have I let the team down. Am I going to lose CSR

In social I couldn't care less about stats. If I'm carrying or being carried.

And while I love a close finish - I never get tilted about the result.

[stiff nebula]

Yup the inconsistent damage with the rockets and hammer is also extremely apparent in Husky raid as well

[feral zephyr]

MCC is dead in development?

[left snow]

Desync. And they aren't a stress point in Ranked because not a lot of maps have the them.

343 are trying their new methods tomorrow! (Firefight).

[crystal iron]

For me it's. Matter of holding my interest if the rounds starts to snowball at that. Point I'm spending more time spectating a respawn timer than actually engaging in gameplay and that's just boring.
Which when SBMM decides to toss me into a try hard Lobby it's essentially what it becomes. I become disinterested quickly

[languid prism]

it varies some days, most of the time in husky/quickplay i kinda care about winning but get stuck with people who literally cannot aim. Btb is the most casual mode for me tbh and i don't mind losing there or carrying

[crystal iron]

We are getting closer to Firefight

[rose vortex]

Anyone know what time its coming?

[crystal iron]

10am Washington State Time

[rose vortex]

Ok thnx

[noble urchin]

firefight waiting room 😌

[magic loom]

Just hoping the options for firefight are good, I dont expect to be in depth like Reach but passable enough to make a decent map with in Infinite.

[agile cobalt]

10pst?

ok so 1pm est

[crystal iron]

Can I suggest that we make a firefight chat. Perhaps one of the mods can create one

[rose vortex]

7pm my time 🥲

[agile cobalt]

oof.

i atleast get home from school 2 hours after the drop

[coarse dagger]

The Firefight tag is now available under #1039633978841374720 that you can use for scoped discussions, no plans for a separate channel

[crystal iron]

Ok, Lol when I click the link it sends me to my discussion on having a separate channel for it lol

[icy pelican]

will we get an announcement for the update

[misty vale]

it's in 2 hours.

[wise lichen]

Update should be live at 1 PM

[low musk]

An hour and a half till the update

[drifting canopy]

Ugh

Not going to lie though, I’m very excited about the update

[crystal iron]

Nerd

[low musk]

Its going to be fun for sure

[tulip tusk]

yea similar to Lord of the Rings, the novels defined it in one generation, the stellar movie trilogy the next generation (and older), nowdays we have some books and a messy tv show that will not be remembered. for now and in the future it will be sustained by older people showing younger the trilogy and novels

[steep mantle]

Do we know what time the new Halo Infinite Firefight releases?

[wise lichen]

Hopefully there's an option to make firefight go on indefinitely till you either run out of lives or the whole team dies. If not please add it sometime down the line, either way I'm excited for the update and I'm definitely gonna play it soon as I get home

It comes out in like 2-3 min.

[olive brook]

longest 1 minute of my life

[low musk]

I want to be home, but sadly I am out of the house. Is it going to be an update for the game, or is it on the backend?

[drifting canopy]

Thought the update was live?

[wise lichen]

I'm thinking it's gonna be an update

If you're on pc relaunch steam

[drifting canopy]

I’m on Xbox

[wise lichen]

Have you checked for updates or tried re-booting the game? If yes then you might have to wait another 2-3 min.

[drifting canopy]

Yup

Gonna restart my system

[wise lichen]

Some folks are saying they didn't have to update, check the playlists

[drifting canopy]

Huh ok

[steep mantle]

Previously when I was in the game the servers started to shut down cause of the update. Now it doesn't really happen.

[tough quartz]

Got noting on steam

[drifting canopy]

Ok got the update going now

Having a little bit of difficulty retrieving the update

[wise lichen]

I'll try to check on my end asap, right now I'm getting a flu shot.

[rocky cipher]

reset all my armor colors and weapons lmao

Idc I have firefight we are so back

[drifting canopy]

Isn’t the end of the world

As long as they’re not removing all the stuff we spent money on

[rose vortex]

I just started the game without formal update and its there 🙂

[tough quartz]

hmm maybe i did it when i was on game, that can explain my high ms.. gonna try, thx

[full warren]

fire fight broken?

[young glen]

You need to update.

[full warren]

I am in a game and its been 2 mins and nothing happened

[young glen]

Close dwon the game, and it should prompt an update.

Backend was updated before certain platforms, that's why the playlist isn't functioning correctly.

[full warren]

Yes got the update now

I was all excited....

[misty vale]

lotta patching going on over here

[analog pebble]

Firefight being buggy

Oh it needs an update lmao

[misty vale]

you have to download a patch and patch the game

[drifting canopy]

Ok so it’s PvE content inside of an online multiplayer. Are we getting challenges that pertain to Firefight?

[misty vale]

the playlist is probably visible but you're asking for trouble

it's a very large patch for me, a steam user

[analog pebble]

Only a gig download

[drifting canopy]

3.5 gb on Xbox

[misty vale]

1gb downloaded, but now it's updating lots of stuff

really, really not looking forward to the vitriol about not getting a backdrop for exclusively playing pve

[rocky cipher]

triggers not triggering?

[low musk]

Let me know what kind of EXP it awards

[misty vale]

first game got 3350 career xp

[misty vale]

you kill or assist exactly zero "spartans", which is basically most of the weekly challenges

and so getting a lame backdrop or useless weapon charm will not be possible by doing ONLY firefight

[drifting canopy]

I know people want to play firefight and just hang back. You’re no lone wolf. It’s a game type that requires teamwork.

Not respawning your fallen Spartans is going to lead to failure 100% of the time

Another thing is clear the hill.

[misty vale]

remember: people are inexcusably bad at halo

[drifting canopy]

Being top of a leaderboard is only so good if your team is winning… and it’s PvE… there’s no reason to suck at PvE this hard

[rocky cipher]

it was in regards to firefight, loaded in without the update and was waiting for the hill to spawn lol

thought it was just buggy for a sec

[swift jetty]

Question why is the update for me like 56 GB lmao

[drifting canopy]

Haven’t been updating the game regularly?

[swift jetty]

On xbox

Nahhh i played the other day

[drifting canopy]

Offline?

[swift jetty]

Nope

[drifting canopy]

Weird

[rocky cipher]

seems to be an Xbox thing, friend of mine had a 91 gig update lol

[swift jetty]

Welp guess im updating 50GB for a mid season update

[vivid light]

That's not the actual download size

Mine initially said 119 then corrected to 4.something

It always shows me the combined MP and Story file sizes every update

[misty vale]

teh steam update is a 1gb download which updates about 50gb of files

mmm got 2730 career xp on the back of 20k damage and 5 capped hills.

[full warren]

sitting in hill earns you more points than kills lol

Did heroic without dying but team mates died three....

I am not sure if this is fun or not lol, going to try the generic mode instead of heroic

The mode is too easy until the boss comes even on heroic. then its a mess

[snow wigeon]

Xbox update is only 3.27gb

[rugged quartz]

How big is the game without campaign?

[misty vale]

53.65gb

[icy pelican]

like 40gb

37gb

[rugged quartz]

Honestly not that bad compared to a lot of other games

[ruby knoll]

here's the update size i'm getting on steam

[stoic ridge]

its 4.4 gigs trough xbox app wtf

[full warren]

4.4gb is tiny lol

[stoic ridge]

not compared to steams 1

especially went you take into account that xbox has a slower download time

[full warren]

isn't that depending on your internet speed

[stoic ridge]

server thing pretty sure, my peak on steam is 2.4, on xbox is 1.5

its 2 now, still slower than steam tho

[icy pelican]

the campaign coatings need to be cross-core because they cost like 60 dollars to get >~>

[stoic ridge]

free on gamepass lol

[icy pelican]

I bought it on steam

[stoic ridge]

rip

[icy pelican]

I hate subscription services

[onyx latch]

It seems they are prioritizing coatings by complexity and store purchase. I have no doubt that they'll be multicore eventually, but they're likely closer to the 'free or promo coatings' side of the priority chain.

[stoic ridge]

idk personally id much rather spend 120 a year (even cheaper if you go for the yearly deal) for 450 games than spend that same money on just 2 games i might not even like

[misty vale]

I'd rather not hand over control of what type and games are successful to Microsoft, which is what gamepass is.

[stoic ridge]

cod player? no offense

[misty vale]

I've never played a cod.

[stoic ridge]

what are you refering to then?

[shrewd aspen]

The real firefight is not running out of ammo

[misty vale]

I'm refering to the negative side of gamepass, which is that it encourages f2p and microsoft curated

which are both killing AAA

[icy pelican]

PVE match complete + 50 exp ....... What

that was like nothing

[rocky cipher]

you should be getting 500 if you beat it

[stoic ridge]

It's just accessibility, not everyone wants/has/can spend 60 on a single game

[icy pelican]

that's better.

[stoic ridge]

especially someone who isn't employed and doesn't have a consistent income

[misty vale]

Imagine if movies worked like that and you were like "well I mean too bad enjoy only fast X because some, nebulous, people out there can't afford to go to the movie theater"

aka awful reason. Get a job if you can't afford $60, or be like me and wait until games are complete to play them because AAA Gaming is dumpster bc of game pass.

anyway firefight is fun

[uneven bison]

Well then don’t spend any money on it. If someone can’t spend they won’t. And if they do that’s a poor decision on their part.

[stoic ridge]

yeah surely a little 10 yo timmy will get a job instead of asking parents for a new game

and they will surely pay 60 per game instead of 10 for 400+

[magic night]

I don't see how Game Pass is ruining AAA games when stuff like early access games has been a thing well before it. It's also a little weird to complain about subscriptions services in gaming, but then using subscriptions for stuff like TV and music. I don't see too many people say you should buy all the home releases for TV shows and movies or music.

[halcyon violet]

Wow first match into Firefight King of the Hill the audio immediately bugged out.

I'll submit a ticket later.

[signal ivy]

you should buy all the home releases for TV shows and movies or music.

[icy pelican]

I took an L today, I bought the Lone wolves season pass because the eaglestrike pieces say they were released with lone wolves, I go to check the pass to see when I'll unlock the pieces and I find that none of the eaglestrike pieces are in lone wolves. They're ALL in the store.

So I'm leveling a pass i don't really care much for as I'm not interested in rakshasa as much as I am mirage so I'd rather have the other pass. Don't make my mistake.

[onyx latch]

Double checking is important.

[sullen owl]

Measure twice, cut once.

[onyx latch]

On the bright side, at least you can use all the helmets from the pass on any core, and you get your money back.

[icy pelican]

contemplating just spending 5 on more points and half-leveling lone wolves

[dry wren]

I bought the Hero’s of reach pass to level up for all the Mark V stuff

[icy pelican]

it has good shoulder pieces which are gonna be great when cross core shoulders come out

[white birch]

You dont even get more points for being top of the leaderboard.

[icy pelican]

super excited to put my bulky shoulders on the mirage core

[dry wren]

I want odst shoulders for my Spartan!

Make him look like my reach Spartan

[sour marlin]

is Halo infinite not working right now?

[onyx latch]

But you can already do that on Mark Vb

Y'know, the actual Reach core

[coarse dagger]

Restart and check for updates, if you game hasn't already been updated

[icy pelican]

they probably want ODST stuff on the Raksasa core since it's closer to an actual ODST look

[dry wren]

Yeah, I know, that’s what I’m levelling up towards atm; it’s the core I mostly use 😊

[lime robin]

Why is the Repair Field in Husky?!

What am I going to do with it!

[serene furnace]

Gotta heal that flag carrier

[white birch]

Use it to survive incoming ordinance?

[lime robin]

Doesn't that only work on vehicles?

[magic night]

I see Merty didn't read the description

[lime robin]

lol no

[magic night]

When deployed, the Repair Field equipment sticks to a surface then creates a spherical zone in which both players and vehicles are healed. The Repair Field can stick onto vehicles, Spartans, and most environmental surfaces. In modes that feature revive orbs, such as Firefight: King of the Hill or Attrition, the Repair Field will revive any downed players in its radius.

In all situations, the Repair Field heals Spartans and vehicles regardless of team affiliation. In other words, a misplaced Repair Field can help the enemy team more than the player's team. When playing against enemy AI, the Repair Field will also heal nearby enemies, but it will not revive any AI enemies.

[serene furnace]

Yep, heal the flag carrier

[valid current]

Is the firefight update for infinite supposed to be 91GB?

[serene furnace]

Is that what you got? Oof

I don't think so

[young glen]

No

[soft spear]

Just finished my first round of firefight, feels real good and I hope we see a lot more content like this

[valid current]

Then why is mine so big??

I got to wait 8 hours

[young glen]

Are you playing on the Xbox app?

[valid current]

No on xbox series x

It's like it's reinstalling the whole game

[coarse dagger]

Generally that happens when you cancel an update - the game is un-installed to prevent corrupt downloads/installs

[drifting canopy]

Looking like I’m going to have to make a video tutorial for dummies about how to play King of the Hill Firefight.

[valid current]

I didn't cancel it though

It just started with that percentage

[drifting canopy]

I’ll have to speak as slow as I can on what to do and what not to do

How to get the best experience out of it

Most people don’t know how to play PvE content

[serene furnace]

To be fair

[valid current]

Well looks like I got to wait a year, fun

[serene furnace]

In any objective mode in any Halo game there will always be players who completely ignore the objective and only go kill targets

[drifting canopy]

How to prioritize targets, the use of cover and environment, to respawning your allies. And to not worry about spawn killing when there’s enough bad guys to easily kill a lone Spartan caught unawares

[sullen anvil]

What do we think of the new update so far?

[unkempt frost]

When was the previous hcs coatings going to become available for all cores?

[icy pelican]

It heals you constantly while you're next to it

people are saying firefight is buggy but I'ev played like 10 matches and have had no problems so far

[low musk]

I'm having a blast with it

Kinda wish they had the ghost instead of the Mongoose

[undone sluice]

Is anyone else's update on xbox 91gb

[coarse dagger]

^

[undone sluice]

Oh that's unfortunate, didn't even do anything of that manner but we'll just roll with it then

[solid ingot]

update on challenges and firefight, the complete matches one allows you to play firefight

[tulip tusk]

heroic firefight is tricky! ive died during 1st hill so far

[full warren]

We need one above heroic lol it is too easy

well depending on weapon spawn if its rockets spawn then its too easy

[low musk]

Yeah, but for the normal players for regular firefight, its about the right difficulty setting

[sullen anvil]

Damn I was really hoping to see new PvE challenges come with this update

[ruby knoll]

wow that seems kinda wack. Can't files be checksummed post update resumption to cherrypick the ones that are corrupt?

[coarse dagger]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

There will definitely be a reason the Xbox engineers took this route

[craggy urchin]

Anyway guys what is your favorite game in the halo series of the ones you played and least favorite

Mines are CE and 4

CE best 4 is the worst i

[full warren]

But what about the normal setting one lol that is way too easy even for like new players

I mean obviously if they don't pick up weapons then it will be hard but tehre are so many good weapons about

[low musk]

Not everyone is used to playing this game, and I've failed my fair share of times when the enemies get very close and wipes the floor with the players

[full warren]

I mean in the few games I played no one even died in the normal setting unless you just full blast run in there 1v everyone lol.

Also the tactic seem to just run away if you going to die and wait for team mate to respawn lol then go back in

[low musk]

Have you gone in with premade teams?

[full warren]

nope

They definitely a difficulty for pre-made teams too tho, also I have no idea how skulls are activated lol

[low musk]

They definitely what?

[hallow acorn]

Is there any hope for split screen support on MCC on PC at this stage in the game?

Requiring Xbox accounts and the subsequent hurdles that come from that on PC made sense when the game was new, but now that it can be had on sale for $10 why can't we just have a local only mode

Would be sick to be able to play split screen on the steam deck for instance. Take it to a friend's house, connect to TV, relive the screen cheating glory days, etc

[young glen]

That's heroic.

Skulls activate if you score a point without anyone dying.

[celest heron]

Has anyone noticed the network improvements in ff?

[icy pelican]

guys SBMM is active in firefight teams I did good like 4-5 games and now it's matching me with horrible teammates lol

[full warren]

I mean how lol its not like the enermy arun around corners

to see if you get the shot or not nor are you dodging like its ranked haha so no idea how you even test it and the bots aim are so bad

[young glen]

It has been completely smooth so far.

No network weirdness or registry issues.

[mighty oasis]

Why does the game take 50 years to initially load up on PC

[full warren]

lol you noticed too, ever since s3 or S4 it takes ages to load, I think mintblitz said its trying to download all textures and backgrounds

all over again every time it loads, because s1-3 it used to be super fast load

like I can load in under 3s but now its a good 15-20s

[celest heron]

probly like desync and lag

[full warren]

I guess I never actually seen any lag in this game other than obvious server side problems that is clear to see. I also never got small desync, its always been massive desync or no desync lol, like I would bound around the map some times

Did they not say they fixed the getting shot behind walls thing

[icy pelican]

out of date gpu drivers

[wise lichen]

say, anyone else no longer have glorious destiny, or border knight after the update?

i had both before the update, now they are locked

[coarse dagger]

Seen reports of others with similar issues, make sure and file a support ticket with the details

[ancient cosmos]

anyone able to help with my issues with updating? i made a help thread abt it

steam is wonky with halo infinite for some reason - always has been

oh wrong channel meant to post in general

[coarse dagger]

I'm sure someone will help when they're able, best to keep support issues to the support channel

[low musk]

Nice to see that weapon and vehicle coatings are getting Crosscore too. My favorite coatings, the Aureate Noon and Midnight got the treatment on both and they look really awesome. The pistol is a bit 'eh', but the rest are total home runs

[left snow]

No. Not specifically.

Getting shot around walls is mostly lag. You're never going to get rid of it entirely - especially if 343 continues to favour the shooter in 50:50 calls.

The network rewrite is more for "desync". Hammer swings and rockets that go missing. The breakdown of the damage over time mechanic. etc.

Not to say the new code won't deal with lag better though. Fingers crossed.

[ocean crater]

yknow what confused me about the weapon, she's a clone of cortana yet her personality is way different? and i wasn't really a fan of the way she would tiptoe around words and intel. in halo CE cortana was introduced as a warships ai, constantly keeping track of and telling you/keyes tactical data and controlling things, telling you exactly how many drop ships are coming in, that there are enemies ahead and to slow down etc. but the weapon is way too naive and emotional, and isn't really like cortana at all in that sense

in the tutorials when she's telling you how to use your map are the only parts i can really think of where she tells you stuff, but thats kinda cause its a tutorial lol

cortana was sassy cause she was confident and smart, taking control of things.. the weapon is sassy just cause she is

basically her speech is way too emotional and naive for a clone of a tactical warship ai

[left snow]

I thought that suited her.

She would have been created quickly and bundled out the door with minimal prep time.

And any "training" would have been the bare minimum to finish her one mission.

I liked that she wasn't Cortana 2.0

It was the reason Chief didn't trust her.

[crystal iron]

Ok just woke up,nap what's the max XP firefight gives?

[analog salmon]

we lose all 5 of our placement matches and place diamond and plat 6

[young glen]

I got +5k on a 17m normal FF match in which we all played perfectly and had all skulls activated.

[crystal iron]

No e oh I see they also have Heroic, I may try that out later once I get the hang of the mode. And.have a solid Team

[past void]

just realized something steam doesnt have halo 5

[drifting canopy]

I’m banned from making bad ideas 😂

[analog salmon]

why oh why is immolate in ranked doubles

[past void]

does 3 or 4 have the better online?

[ocean crater]

better in what way

[past void]

like populated

[ocean crater]

would assume 3

[left snow]

You don't start from scratch. You go in seeded with your old MMR.

If you played ok and didn't lose to any teams way below you - chances are your MMR won't change a lot.

And with only 5 games there is a bigger chance you won't get those MMR shifting games.

Which is good. It's what you want from the system.

[crystal iron]

Lost our first round of Firefight lol. We all rushed Escherum and right when we reach him he busted out the hammer and killed all 4 of us at once lol

[icy pelican]

just me or is pvp sweatier than ever now

[ruby knoll]

just you

[icy pelican]

nah it's not it's definitely sweatier.

guys are zigzagging around like their irl lives depend on them winning their games i hate this bracket I'm in

[barren zephyr]

What would y'all consider a good win percentage?

[ruby knoll]

generally speaking, people want to win in pvp games

[barren zephyr]

I have a 50.96% win rate

Not particularly sweaty

[icy pelican]

The algorithm threw me into a game with a guy who was in the top 0.3% in kills, it was insane watching him. he had like 500k kills and a 3.0 kd

[barren zephyr]

mint blitz moment

[ruby knoll]

it's easy to farm kills when you're a serial reverse booster who farms bronze lobbies

[white birch]

Presumably all of the hard core grinders have realized Firefight isn't as efficient as they first believed and have gone back to normal Arena

[barren zephyr]

Me with a total of 11,000 kills

[ruby knoll]

whaaaat you're tellibg me that cosmetic rewards can create detrimental effects to gameplay? ????

[white birch]

I mean

[icy pelican]

I was hoping firefight would give more exp than it does. It's kinda almost not worth it

I'm still enjoying it though.

[craggy urchin]

I don't even care about xp

[glacial tartan]

In MCC Firefight is one of the fastest ways to get XP and yet people dont flock to it 🙂

[crystal iron]

So having PVE is making PVP. A way better expereince, Im Loving going back and forth between the two

[crystal iron]

I get like 5k XP for ranked XP per round without Boost, after completing a whole round. I'd say it's pretty good, I would love to see challenges incorporated into it make Like something like Halo 5 did with commendations

[white birch]

I don't think XP boosts work on career xp

Unless they changed it (and I don't think they did)
5k is basically getting 2500 points in BTB without the headache so

[icy pelican]

how are yo ugetting 5k i'm getting like 350 per

[white birch]

In ranked or in FF?

[icy pelican]

FF

[drifting canopy]

I’d love to see Colony have a whole section of the ring that we’d have to reclaim

Seeing as Colony is a mainline villain apart of the Banished

[low musk]

Just realized that Bot Bootcamp is gone

[white birch]

How many enemies are you killing? If your not holding the hill or killing enemies that might be it

[icy pelican]

are you talking about season pass xp or normal xp

i just noticed theres a difference.

i don't really care about the 'normal' exp that changes your rank as it's a shallow level up system that doesn't reward you with anything

[crystal iron]

That's Rank XP o haven't checked how much inget per Battlepass, but I'm honestly at level 95 of the Season 3 Battlepass which is the last one I have to complete all battlepasses so I'm.innno rush

[white birch]

Battle Pass XP you get close to 400
Career Rank XP (what most people care about as they finished the BP weeks ago) is about 5k

[crystal iron]

Not bad Really, And this is without XP boost

[lime robin]

Is there any way to get a Wasp in Firefight?

[crystal iron]

Haven't seen it so far, only thing I've seen is warthogs

[low musk]

And a single banshee on that one map

And a gungoose too on Launch Site

[white birch]

Warthog on a few maps. Wasp would probably be REAL broken if used right

[vivid ruin]

What are the ranked playlists right now? Not at home to check

[crystal iron]

Naw it wouldn't, Go en that the AI would probably nuke you quickly and it doesn't respawn until next wave so you would have eto be very careful how you attack since it's not a tank

[past void]

will I need to buy a xbox one just to play 5

[vivid ruin]

If you want to play matchmaking or campaign, yes

Halo 5 Forge/Custom browser is the only thing we have on PC for Halo 5 still

[past void]

campaigns the only reason tbh

ima be playing the entire series

[vivid ruin]

I would just watch a playthrough of it then tbh, I personally don't think it's worth buying a whole console just for the campaign.

[past void]

fair

unless I can get my hands on that sweet halo 5 xbox it aint worth it

[ruby knoll]

def some fun sequences in there

[heady crane]

Do I need Xbox gamepass/live to play Infinite's firefight? Can I play it offline?

[ruby knoll]

no and unsure

[past void]

jack pot

found a classic xbox one for less than $100 aud

[barren zephyr]

Halo 5's campaign isn't rlly worth buying an xbox for

Imo opinion at least, tho the multiplayer is fun as hell

[calm iris]

yeah nah don't go that far out of your way to play 5's campaign

[past void]

tbh im buying the shitbox purely for 360 games and some one games

[ruby knoll]

oh look the hivemind has arrived

[past void]

the floods here

[ruby knoll]

😔

[calm iris]

I mean it's true, I don't think it's really worth buying an entire xbox just for any single halo campaign, though if they're buying it for other stuff then they may as well play 5 I guess

[barren zephyr]

I got Halo 5 for 10 bucks and it was totally worth it

[ruby knoll]

with the xbone you'd also be able to play infinite, mcc, and halo wars 2

[barren zephyr]

Love the multiplayer, one of my favorites in the series

[ruby knoll]

tho you could also get a xseries and do that too

[past void]

tbh as horrible as the xbox is at least its got halo

[barren zephyr]

Yeah I play halo on the series x

[past void]

im playing infinite on the steam deck next year

[brazen heath]

I think I have a harder time installing this game than I do playing it

[ruby knoll]

one thing to note is that the steam deck isn't officially supported

which is unfortunate

[past void]

fair but its cool playing halo on the go

[ruby knoll]

fr

wish ms didn't kill the portable xbox project

[barren zephyr]

tbf idk how popular that would've been

[crystal iron]

Buying a console for Halo 5 campaign, to me yea Is not a big seller, But having access to all Halo Games and avast library of games through Gamepass is worth buying a console.

I wasn't a huge fan of the Halo 5 campaign as for it was a good game to run through once but that's about it. Halo Infinites campaign has more replay value than Halo 5 campaign.

But Buying a console for one game.tomme doesn't feel like a good return unless you are 100% sure you will be playing that campaign over and.over and over until it's an unhealthy amount of hours

[past void]

I own the master chief collection on pc

[barren zephyr]

I got MCC for like 4 bucks

best deal i've ever gotten

[past void]

im probally gonna be using my xbox for remote play gamepass stuff

[crystal iron]

We are speaking in terms of someone who has no gaming set up

[past void]

ah

tbh id still say buy a ps4

if they arent buying a one s at least

[noble urchin]

oh my god

firefight is so good i can finally play infinite for an unhealthy amount of time again

do they reduce the amount of career xp you get from personal score in firefight or is it 1:1?

[crystal iron]

Yo where’s the battle pass in MCC? I’ve looked everywhere can’t find it

And how I can unlock more reach armor customization?

[ashen atlas]

No battle pass

[crystal iron]

They removed it! R.I.P.

[ashen atlas]

Have to buy items using in game points

Mcc never had battle pass

[crystal iron]

How can I unlock more reach armor customization???

[ashen atlas]

The exchange or the regular unlock system, I forget atm where the unlock system is located or what it is called

Lot of items though

Browse through the menu categories

[crystal iron]

Yeah exchange seethe only real way

[crystal iron]

Aight

[ashen atlas]

No there is other items. Located somewhere

[crystal iron]

Ok I’m gonna try to search it

I’m on Xbox btw not pc

[tawdry shell]

Cool thing I just thought of if there ever was an Elite core, have the Elite core with all of the regular Elite armors, but have a separate Arbiter Elite core that features all the past different Arbiter armors, how sicc would that be???

[upbeat cape]

Sigh. Need one more competative win for the week on MCC. Where is everyone been?

[white birch]

All on Infinite playing Firefight because the Halo 3 Sweats made MCC unplayable

[upbeat cape]

Halo 3 Sweets?

[crystal iron]

So from the looks of it PVP mostly pushes more XP to BP while PVE is focused on rank XP

[crystal iron]

It's better that most players plare in firefight because that gives 343 more data to look at for this new network fix thing

[crystal iron]

So far Halo Infinites firefight is what I have been asking for.

I would have loved better intro and outros but that's just a minor personal issue. Overall ots a fun game mode and already have been playing with players that have mics in game

[neon vapor]

Found out the IWBYD skull in firefight adds more death messages

[karmic oriole]

I got a question

Who was cooking at 343 with this firefight

[crystal iron]

Question: if you own and t bag and shoot the body of a 343 employee in the game in ranked, do they have the power to do anything about it?

[white birch]

Assuming it's actually a 343 employee and you actually manage to match them in ranked and actually kill them (considering most of the comp players are ex pro gamers)...not really no.

But it also means literally nothing in the grand scheme of gaming and mentioning it will, at best, result in people considering you childish and borish, and at worse, insults.

[analog salmon]

they might t-bag you back

[crystal iron]

It's halo, we t bag and shoot bodies. Deal.

That said, I'm a top 500 player; they really aren't on my level. Most are below 1800 onyx

[analog salmon]

i only shoot bodies if they shoot mine

its kinda toxic

t-bagging is much less so

[crystal iron]

Nah, I shoot bodies. It gets them to either leave the game or tilted. Unless it's nueronical, then he's owning me like a 10 year old who never played a game

[analog salmon]

shoot my body and i just think you're malding ngl

like typically i get my body shot by sweaty stacks and i can tell the reason is they're mad they got someone actually good at the game

they just wanna dump on average players and they're malding im ruining their fun

[crystal iron]

If it gets you to play up, it's worth it. If it gets u tilted and quit, free RR, if you play worse... Free RR

[analog salmon]

idk what RR means ngl

personally i dont care to trigger players having a bad game or something

most people just think you're toxic, they're not gonna be that bothered by it

[white birch]

The frustration doesn't last past the game, if that.

Some people just don't even get tilted period

[crystal iron]

I don't do it to bad players. I do it to anyone who rocks a specific tag, stacks or is costing his team by playing dumb. If u suck, ur not getting a bag from me

[white birch]

So...you bag no one, because you have no idea what the situation is?

[analog salmon]

that just makes you seem like you dont like decent players then

[white birch]

Ain't a good look thats for sure

[crystal iron]

I think anyone who plays at onyx 1800 and above has an idea what the enemy team is doing and if one of their own is trolling or greifing. Just FYI.

Dang have to go to work so moore firefight

[analog salmon]

you're kinda just reaffirming the sterotype about the highest skill players being toxic and taking the game wayy too seriously rn ngl

most people just dont even think about it that deeply buddy

[crystal iron]

Now if the enemy is simply having a bad game and their generally good players, happens. But in my rank, we get the same players most of the time. Especially at certain times. I know who's costing and who isn't but the majority of my bagging is mostly towards certain tags and stacks. If you enter my lobby as a solo q player and I see ur a 3 or 4 stack... Don't care if it's 343 giving me this match, I'ma bag u and let you know how bad u are. Especially if it's slayer and I catch you off spawn alone without ur Wolfpack, I'm gonna hunt u down. I'll split ur spawns and trap u to get u away from ur teammates

Force you to either win a 1v1 or die trying to get back to teammates

7/10 those players can't win there one on ones. So what should be 50/50 is 70/30 because they can't win a fight

[white birch]

This helping you get a paying job at all?

[crystal iron]

That's a good stereotype to have. But.... No one in the 1800 and above is playing for funs. They got their watching vods, learning the game and playing it try hard nearly every game. It's high rank for a reason. You don't have 2 seconds to breathe at times unless u slow the pace down and the enemy does the same

If its diamond lobby, I'm not gonna be as toxic to the enemy.

[crystal iron]

No, I have a job. It helps me have fun. I've been playing this game since CE. Don't worry, I don't take my toxic attitude into quick play or btb (originally a btb kid)

[white birch]

Mmm

[crystal iron]

My only concern, is will I get a ban for t bagging an employee. Simple.

[white birch]

No. They literally do not care

[crystal iron]

Okay that's good

[white birch]

And in truth, the likelihood of finding one in comp if you are as high as you say is about the same as surviving an M90 firing with its barrel to your lower spine

So it's a moot point anyway

[crystal iron]

I found a few. One is in the 1700s and other is routinely in 1500s. Durint placements I'd get a few

[crystal iron]

If your not doing this in ranked at Onyx level than it's not a flex,

That's just saying your the better than casual who don't deeply put that much effort into the game.

[crystal iron]

Who said it's a flex? Weird flex. But no, I'm doing it in ranked ONLY. I don't do it in qp or btb is what I said

Also are you on Any HCS team Roster

The way your describing it sounds like your trying to flex

Qp kids are usually gold players whom play for fun

Just an observation

[crystal iron]

No, I'm describing when I do it. There's a difference, while also not caring about doing it.

[crystal iron]

Not really Iv been seeing plats and Above in there, I think it's the kids who get their ego's bruised in ranked and need to feel good about themselves

Someone initially asked why, so I replied with the situations when

[crystal iron]

Maybe. But also ranked games can sometimes take a while during certain times and I typically go into QP to warm up, loosen hand..I don't do hand exercises like pros lol

But now I have firefight to go to to just relax a bit,

I love it when we get the Bandana Skull

I came in here to make sure I wasn't doing anything banable and got into a convo about my t bagging like lol

[crystal iron]

Literally jus went into one.

Did you get the Bandana Skull?

In love hitting a group of Banished with two Sticky nades lol

My 1st one. Didn't know what to expect. I'm on my alt acct

I got demon only unfortunately. I caught a random rocket to my nads 😂

Oh nice, Im surprised a Death grunt hasn't gotten me slacking

I like to add some challemge and only use the guns the enemies drop... I do prefer the Plasma rifle as it drops sheilds quick

I went in with some objective to kill as many covenant enemies as possible and t bag em. Minis the grunts, I asked teammates not to do that

I like grunts

Plasma rifle is an easy kill as well but I wanted to use the shock and sniper combo

[crystal iron]

I always go for the Sniper rifles if they have them, Inlike to set up in a spot with a clear line of shot and drop the brutes and elites.

[crystal iron]

I was on bazaar for the 1st one. The enemy has easy los. Hate that map. Hopefully I can play it on other maps instead

[crystal iron]

When it comes to Cross core I really just want the MKvB, Chimera and Rackasha ore stuff for my MK7 mostly the Rackasha cus it looks more tactical and want that look for the MK7

Imagine if we had sword art online level Halo minus the permadeath thing.

But it also impacted your physical body to a degree basically playing several rounds of Halo would-be an actual workout

[empty rapids]

firefight is so much fun oml

[low musk]

It is indeed a ton of fun. Could use more vehicles though, but I can deal with that

Would have thought that we would have fought wraith tanks at some point, but since this is KotH Firefight, its to be expected

[civic sundial]

My guess is when we get more maps and variants of Firefight, we'll see more vehicles used by the Banished there

Plus some of the maps just aren't designed for vehicle play, like Live Fire

[low musk]

Hopefully we will eventually get the Mantis Back. That vehicle handles most terrain pretty easily

[civic sundial]

I literally just mentioned the Mantis in the Infinite ideas thread

I miss that mech so much

[midnight dagger]

hello, I'm creating a custom Firefight game in Infinite. How do I edit the name of the lobby and the details of the match itself for ppl to read? Is this even possible?

[low musk]

There are still weapons and vehicles alike that still need to return, and it feels like we are well on our way to seeing that goal realized

[crystal iron]

I wonder what the average Spartan 4 workout regiment is like

[low musk]

I imagine that they are like any military detachment. Rigorous training and calisthetics.

[civic sundial]

I would be more than fine if they reused some assets from Halo 5 to bring back some of the older weapons and vehicles

[crystal iron]

Bring back the Saw with Explosive rounds, that one was my favorite

[low musk]

True. I'd love to see the Railgun back. Hell, I'd be happy to see the Bubble Shield come back too

[low musk]

They'd have to bring back the base SAW first, and with the Forge Nodes, you can create explosive rounds

[crystal iron]

They could just make it another variant, honestly Halo 5 had the best weapon pool in terms of fun aspects

[civic sundial]

So long as we get the variant of the railgun that could hold two rounds as the variant

[crystal iron]

Halo 5 Fiesta felt more exciting than Halo Infinites due to the lack of the weapon variants.
Halo.infinite isn't as but Halo 5 first really felt like a party

[ancient cosmos]

yeah we need more halo weapons in halo infinite

[crystal iron]

The covenant sniper rifles the fuel rod Cannon, the OG shotgun, the Spartan Laser... So many weapons that could come.back and be extremely fun in fiesta and Firefight.

[shadow turret]

I'd honestly like to see some of the H4 Forerunner stuff return

and UNSC stuff too, like the railgun

[lime robin]

I don't miss the Splaser tbh, I think the Skewer made for a fine and fair replacement of its function as a vehicle buster.

[low musk]

It doesn't even do that proper though. It takes a couple of shots to destroy a Warthog or Tank

[ancient cosmos]

thats valid but its also really iconic, i think it should be added to forge at least

[civic sundial]

I'm craving for the Forerunner stuff to come back

[ancient cosmos]

the skewer can one hit stuff cant it?

[ancient cosmos]

yeah the scattershot and the repeater were awesome in h5

[civic sundial]

Let me have my weird ancient floaty guns

[crystal iron]

We are talking about just adding more to the pool, Not replacing them.

Having the Splaser and the skewer in the same game for firefight and fiesta wouldn't be bad

[ancient cosmos]

pls

[low musk]

Small stuff like the flying vehicles and mongoose, but it takes multiple shots with the bigger vehicles

[ancient cosmos]

true, different type of fear when its aimed at you too

[ancient cosmos]

oh is that a rebalance?

[low musk]

I've seen how a Warthog can survive being struck by a Skewer rod

[lime robin]

And that's exactly the point. A common complaint about the Spartan Laser is that someone could hide with it and instantly destroy a vehicle, giving no chances to the receiving end to respond, making vehicles an automatic disadvantage. The Skewer not being a guaranteed one-shot gives the vehicle pilot a chance to defend themselves and not be at an automatic, instant disadvantage.

[ancient cosmos]

a rocket can do the same though and everyone loves the spanker. a rocket can even do it better if you're skilled with it

a splaser has that long charge time that can be accidentally cancelled too and easially telegraphed (better than rockets are lately)

[crystal iron]

I mean that sounds like a other end user issue, the think has a big red Laser that takes a minute to charge, if your not driving your vehicle into a position where you can hide or aren't aware of your surroundings enough, than you kinda deserve to be one shotted by the Spartan Laser

[civic sundial]

Rockets have more travel time compared to the laser and require you to think more carefully when aiming, if you don't take into account the travel time, you'll miss your target

[lime robin]

The splaser has the long charge time, and 90% of that charge will be spent hiding in a corner. That's how it always is.

[low musk]

Isn't that often why people fight over the splaser in the first place, to maintain vehicle advantage?

[crystal iron]

Pretty much it also only had 4 shots, So you could drop 4 vehicles, but that's of you didn't get domed while charging it up.

[low musk]

True, it was terrible in 1v1 infantry combat

[crystal iron]

Honestly I wish I could one shot pilots out the banshee with the sniper rifle lol... Give me that Linda Power

[low musk]

Even she had to get that bit of an angle to make that perfect shot possible. Snipers are an ever patient breed

[civic sundial]

If you're really accurate and lucky, you could in Reach

[crystal iron]

Right but if they added like a small hit box to the banshee it would feel so rewarding.

I mastered dropping drivers and gunners from a moving warthog already... I want the chance to do it to a banshee

[civic sundial]

Like, there's a small gap in the Banshee that if you are able to get a shot there, you can headshot the pilot

[midnight dagger]

i'm trying to create a Custom Game Firefight. I've modified all the settings to how I want, but I can't seem to figure out how to edit the title of my lobby/game or its description

EDIT: I have figured out how to edit the title:

• Your profile name at the top right
• Profile
• View Files
• Choose your game
• Edit Name

I still have not figured out how to edit the description though

EDIT 2: From that same menu above where you click Edit Name, you can scroll down to find Edit Description and many other things. Derp.

[crystal iron]

Of they are going to disband teams after each match maybe they can at least give players to select a party up option after each match. Those who opt in will stick together for the next match and.yoir auto qued into it

[olive brook]

are campaign armor coatings cross core now

[ancient cosmos]

i'll check

[olive brook]

ty

[ancient cosmos]

nope

[olive brook]

awh

[ancient cosmos]

Banished Deception is currently not cross core (despite being in the campaign you buy for 79.99 CAD)

[olive brook]

☠️

[zealous panther]

I need even more difficult firefight mode. It is amazing.

[ancient cosmos]

Hows the heroic one? ive only played the basic playlist so far

[crystal iron]

Mythic, Non respawn until after the wave is defeated...

[zealous panther]

It is good, but I want more challenging one.

[crystal iron]

And it will have OP jackal snipers and All Brutes will be that one Brute that freaking teleports to you

su side Grunts will have active Camo

[zealous panther]

Also i don't really see any point in king of the hill in the firefight. Almost every game and every point we kill the wave and just stand on the point waiting for the capture. If the wave was endless until you capture the point then I would see why.

[crystal iron]

True, but I think after the wave dies it does an insta capture as like Ng as one person is there

[zealous panther]

But yeah, some kind of crazy difficulty would be awesome

[rare stream]

Is anyone else having a problem in the new firefight where their game will crash in the middle of the match? (on Xbox)

[sullen kiln]

You may refer to #1075989764026675210 if you are in need of community based assistance. This is strictly community sourced and operated and is not staffed by any official members of the Support team.

For official support, you'll need to go to the Halo Support site: https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[coarse dagger]

Highly advise creating a support ticket if you're crashing on Xbox

[crystal iron]

Mike has frozen up twice, after waiting for a bit it will go back to normal.

But haven't had a full of Crash in that mode yet but only played like 10 rounds so possibly not a large enough sample size

[crystal iron]

For me I'm fine with what we have only because I use Firefight as my more casual Relax gameplay mode with a bit of Zest to it.

[low musk]

I had a singular crash, but that was one of about 3 dozen games I played of Firefight

[oak grove]

I experienced the stupid sacred icon bug on legendary after spending a few hours playing, anyone have any tips that doesn't involve restarting

[livid fable]

the mode they're calling firefight is fun but has some issues.

several times I saw a teammate die and the teammate nearest them refused to move to revive them. I suspect this was so that they could get all the kills themselves. when I have to cross an entire battlefield to resurrect the teammate because the other two teammates refuse, there is a basic incentive problem in play that is going to lead to players quitting

[crystal iron]

I didn't exhibit the big. I played it 4 times. Legendary (once accidently on heroic cause of that specific "bug")

[crystal iron]

There could be a revive bonus for XP or maybe after reviving a teammate you earn points that fill a meter that awards you free xo boost or challenge swaps

[crystal iron]

The player your describing sounds like the Sweat tryhards I mention before, they are great at getting kills but don't actually know how to play as a member of a team and solely look for their own self glory

Also I haven't tested it out yet But I think the new equipment the heal thing can might be able to revive players who die in firefight.

[remote anchor]

How much XP does FF give?

[crystal iron]

I actually got a solid team one round, our first skull was the Bandana Skull so One of us so we each got a equipment piece to help I spam dropping drop walls, other guy was tossing infinite Shock nades , one guy spanked oversheild and had a sword some was tanking everything. The other guy had a rocket launcher and grapple hook so would grapple to the roof and shoot rockets into enemy's who got shocked naded

[crystal iron]

A full round can give up to 3-5k depending on how many skulls vs deaths you have

That's ranks XP not Battlepass xp

[remote anchor]

Ye I was asking for Rank xp.

That is actually preatty good.

[crystal iron]

Yup if you want BP XP do PVP if you want Rank XP do PVE, just don't die, Keep your teammates alive, and complete the matches and.tou should get 5k XP each time

[livid fable]

could put a death timer on it. make it so if somebody is not revived within a minute, everybody loses

could also allow for custom offline games

[crystal iron]

Maybe 343 should try to take a page out of CODs book and add like a Prestige Ranking.

Once everyone reaches Hero Rank Rank XP is meaningless. But if we can reset that rank start over and grind a new one with new emblems showing we prestige the rank. That could be a good grind.. start off with 50 to 100 resets

[crystal iron]

There's a respawn timer it's like 25 seconds

[livid fable]

or maybe, just maybe, there was a purpose to a shared lives pool

[crystal iron]

You didn't read the update blg did you, the reason we don't have that is because we all have that one Moron in the team.wbonjusy dies al the time.. and.when playing with randoms that gets annoying Plus It's firefight it's not ment to be sweaty and tryhards ish . If no one revived you just wait out the respawn timer and move on

Also what were doing Somfar away from your team like you said, at most your always withinna 20 meter sprint to your teamates the enemies aren't spread out açcross the map

Not everyone can instantly try and revive a teammate when they die too.

You have to be aware of your surroundings, your sheild.level, cus of your reviving you could end up just dying when you get swarmed .. maybe that teamate wasn't trying to score all the kills but secure the area to revive his teammate without being killed himself or reduce the bullets heading his way

[zealous panther]

Some people just not teamplayers. And they don't know they can revive. It is whatever tbh.

[crystal iron]

Yea but He said he rhas to run açcross then map to revive the guy cus the other guy wasn't doing it.

Which makes me.wokdernwhat he was doing Somfar away from his team, and Perhaps the other guy was trying to clear out some enemies before he went for a revive.

Honestly Any tactical sense would tell you to secure a location before providing medical aid, so it would make sense that his teammate wanted to thin out the engines before reviving. Honestly it's a smart play

Actually in one match during the final round we had the two hunter bosses killed one player, the other guy troed to revive him he got killed the Thrid guy toed to revive him he got killed, so I spent the tike.dodvojg those two hunters while staying on the hill

Until the respawned... Sometimes being a good teammate means shaving patience and knowing when and where to take certain actions

Iv noticed in firefight grenades and The shockrifle are your best friend.

Except when fighting Escherum at that point just go full Oonga Boonga mode and find the biggest stick to smacks him with lol

[drifting canopy]

Scouting the map for better weapons. Sometimes looking for tanks or warthogs.

Sometimes a single hog in the right place can help you win matches.

Imo with some of these waves like getting swarmed by brutes with gravity hammers… there should be heavier ordnance available.

[rare stream]

Mine would freeze for like 10 seconds and then crash
I have only been able to play one game of firefight all the way through

[civic sundial]

Have you tried luring him into a back alley and jumping him with grav hammers? Pretty sure he can only take so many hits to the face before he falls

[honest cypress]

I love how I have challanges about getting sidekick kills but there's barely any sidekick starts anymore

[sullen owl]

Squad Battle and Halo 3 Refueled both have Sidekick starts.

[livid fable]

what are you, a conspiracy theorist?

[crystal iron]

-_-

[lilac needle]

We are so back

[chrome phoenix]

Y'all are so back.

[full warren]

Anyone notice that you can not power slide after grappling? You used to be able to grapple then crouch and do a massive slide but now you just don’t I am confused was something changed

[bitter totem]

Really?

[full warren]

In fire fight you have infinite grapple

[bitter totem]

Mhm

[full warren]

So I was trying to do it but can’t seem to hit it. When in campaign you can do it easily, I mean I not played campaign in a year but you can still kerb slide just fine in multi player

[bitter totem]

That’s strange

[full warren]

So I thought it’s the same physics that allowed both.

Maybe they made it so you can’t just fly from one side to the other lol

[bitter totem]

Idk, I just loaded into academy to test it out and seems like it still works

[civic sundial]

Could be an oddity that's happening due to the networking changes being tested in the Firefight playlists

[white birch]

It does.

It also fully repairs vehicles if they're not destroyed, which is really good.

[wise lichen]

are you sprinting before you use the grappleshot?

[low musk]

It would be interesting when we possibly get the Bubble Shield back

[wise lichen]

i feel like that would just de-sentivize the use of drop walls though

[white birch]

It would be a straight upgrade, yeah.

[low musk]

Considering that you can shoot from behind a drop wall, thats one thing a Bubble Shield can't do

[trail copper]

Anyone else having connection issues with halo infinite?

[bitter totem]

Yeah

[vapid marten]

Was going to say "But change it so you can't shoot from inside the bubble shield", but I guess you're correct, I have some vague memories of not being able to shoot out of a bubble shield.

Imagine dropping a shroud and a bubble shield in the same spot.

[low musk]

Best weapon in that scenario is the hammer

[sullen kiln]

⚠️ There is currently a service alert out right now for Xbox services ⚠️

Please check the Xbox Support website for further information and updates:

https://xbox.com/status

[grand sand]

Why aren't like gamemodes sorted in like folders

Instead of just a super long list of gamemodes

Arena, Ranked, BtB, PvE

Or something else idk not a dev

[rocky cipher]

just play Solo Legendary

[full warren]

Yes then jump then grapple then hit crouch before hitting the ground on a down slope and …. Nothing

[quasi nexus]

me too

[craggy urchin]

Good

I've only done heroic so far

[lusty wraith]

Question, how can people discern any kind of networking improvement in firefight?

I feel like general melee issues and ‘shot behind walls’ is more so a PVP thing

[neon vapor]

My best guess is physics

Other then that I’ve only noticed improvements in me rubberbanding everywhere

[low musk]

Does heroic firefight feel more rewarding compared to the base one? I've only done the lesser difficulty version

[white birch]

Not as far as I can tell. Payout seems to be thr same

[celest heron]

game quit to dashboard first time loading into a ff game

[snow wigeon]

Halo Season 2 coming to Paramount on February next year. Anyone looking forward to watching it?

[coarse dagger]

Very much so!

In case you missed it, we do have a TV show section here :)
#halo-the-series-chat

[snow wigeon]

Ah okay. Awesome!

[scarlet shuttle]

Why is Husky Raid unplayable anymore? Every game I join, it finishes in less then 2 minutes.

Someone get a hammer, grapple his way on the other side and spawn kill. Every single game is like this now.

Why aren’t there safe zone for spawn?

Like shielded zone that you cannot enter back once you leave

[snow wigeon]

lol that happened to me sometimes

[tulip tusk]

yea i liked the scenes they showed in trailer

[scarlet shuttle]

I feel sorry whenever I am the one doing it. I just killed 20 people in a row

I feel like I am winning by cheating and I don’t like it. But I feel forced to do it or else I am the one getting hammered down.

[tulip tusk]

no mercy 😭

[onyx latch]

Welcome to one of the most confusingly popular modes in Halo history, enjoy your stay.

It's like OG Grifball. People mostly liked it, including the unprotected spawns, for reasons beyond understanding (It's mostly kill farming)

There's no improving it. You try, they leave.

[ocean crater]

little sad firefight isnt true firefight but at least we have a multiplayer pve thing i guess

also feel like its a little too easy tho

also uh do these badges actually count towards your record cause i got the max streak ones

like grim reaper and killionaire, it feels a little cheap if they actually count towards the career

[celest heron]

do you mean career xp?

[ocean crater]

dunno even where to check this

no the career badges like killionaire and such

is there a way to check your accumulated badges on infinite?

[celest heron]

on waypoint I guess.

I don't think it matters. no one is going to think you're getting multiple grim reapers or demons cause you're that good in pvp mm.

[ocean crater]

my average kills per game is 22 sheeeeesh

[celest heron]

if they even look up your stats to begin with

[ocean crater]

okay it doesn't look like they count, unless it updates periodically

[full warren]

Just got kicked from a game when it started. is it server issue or someone DDOSing?

Probably server since its only just updated and no update ever goes smooth lol

[celest heron]

in game where this person is either hacking or on some mc donald's wifi cause they're doing some weird warping

[celest heron]

was kicked from a ff game when it was loading so probly servers.

[full warren]

WE jsut started and I saw one person walk into a wall then after that the whole game ended

[onyx latch]

Xbox servers in general have been pretty bad these past few days

[whole tusk]

God I hate how I cant turn off crossplay not my fault the game is dead.

Thats why the aiming in infinite sucks.

For console. Too little aim assist. Feels bad to shoot.

[signal ivy]

PEBCAC

[onyx latch]

Well, yeah, it can't be your fault if it's not even a problem in the first place.

[whole tusk]

Thats even worse. Its not dead and you cant turn off crossplay?

[onyx latch]

Honestly, my favorite part of crossplay is that it makes people openly skill filter themselves in public chatrooms :3

[whole tusk]

Then pc players complain of console players having too much aim assist.

[signal ivy]

and console players complain about mouse

and the cycle repeats

over and over and over

[whole tusk]

Yes we should never be forced to play crossplay.

[onyx latch]

Why? I like fighting console players.

They're so silly, they do silly things.

[whole tusk]

Because it is forcing. I dont like fighting pc players.

[onyx latch]

But we love fighting you!

[whole tusk]

So what. The game feels bad I shouldnt be forced to crossplay.

The crossplay is why the strong aim assist exists.

[onyx latch]

NGL, this reminds me of how a friend of mine got a sick doublestick and all the subreddit's complaints were about how he 'totally cheated by using MKB'

And the last part of the vid that he clipped out was him whiffing two sidekick mags because crouchspam can filter even good PC players sometimes

[whole tusk]

Halo mcc feels like butter. Halo infinite feels like garbage.

[onyx latch]

Rancid butter in the trash, maybe :3

[whole tusk]

Halo mcc is objectively better in aiming.

Halo infinite is a downgrade and forced crossplay is unneccesary.

No matter who has the advantage or if it is easier or harder to fight pc players. I dont want to fight them and want the aim assist increased.

Jesus. I cant curse?

Saying otherwise is just asking for forced crossplay and removing choice. And for low aim assist on console which should be higher. It just feels bad and makes everyone aim like idiots even pc players otherwise my kd wouldnt be above 1 which it is so it isnt just me who is having aiming problems.

I just dont like the way infinite feels at all compared to mcc which is the smoothest fps I ever played so far. Thats saying a lot.

[agile cobalt]

anyone else experiencing issues regarding low quality textures on firefight maps that are otherwise fine as non firefight maps

eg arms disappearing, weapon textures becoming really bad

map quality sorta decreses but not really bad

(firefight otherwise is super friggin fun)

[lime robin]

What are your GPU specs?

[compact rock]

I'm working on a Vampire Survivors-type mode, but Forge can't handle spawning and respawning enemies like that. 😅 Almost guaranteed to cause a server disconnect after 5 minutes

https://www.halowaypoint.com/halo-infinite/ugc/maps/85e74759-3edf-4d3b-b099-5697c73d95af

Feel free to try out the prototype. Stat upgrades are 100 coins.

[golden ore]

apologies if this has been asked before. Has 343 mentioned anything about extending the anytime operations pass purchase retroactively? Meaning you can buy old operation passes?

[ocean crater]

in your first message you said the aim assist is weak then you say it’s strong?

[crystal iron]

Hey something's up with firefight No one on my team.is.dying. It the skulls aren't activating and XP boost aren't activated my either

[icy pelican]

Nice bait

[onyx latch]

Cowards say it's bait

[icy pelican]

Why are you insulting

[karmic delta]

Why aren't there points for assists too? It makes driving the warthog pointless and also fighting the high-health bosses pointless if u don't land the kill shot. Even on the non-heroic modes, you can get killed so quickly by certain enemies before you even know they're there because the enemy engagement range is extremely high. I'll have enemies firing at me from across the BTB FF maps while I'm still working on cutting down the immediately nearby enemies. I think the maps need some more additions and structures tbh. Also more access to refilling the spawn weapons would be great too. If the ammo refill stations had a cooldown that would reset within a round. Maybe a non KOTH FF mode too, like a purely survival-based mode would be better to let players have some more freedom to explore the map, gather weapons, etc, without needing to gravitate to a specific spot all the time. Despite not having assists as a warthog driver, it kind of defeats the fun of a warthog run if the enemies are only being pulled and spawned within one sector of the map during each round. It's more fun to have the combat spread out and naturally thicken towards the players as they need to retreat. Also having a kill tracker would be nice too instead of only having the damage dealt. (this is my condensed feedback for now, otherwise, thank you 343 for even adding this mode at all and allowing player score to contribute to the career rank.)

[craggy urchin]

Driving is fun and tbh just be turret and driver

[karmic delta]

We need assists tho. Espeically for those driver-lovers who wanna play co-op with their buddies in the gun and also want to earn XP

Why the assists didn't make it into FF is beyond me. Maybe it was an accident?

[slim flint]

splatter

[karmic delta]

If only

[scarlet shuttle]

I love being forced to quit mid game because the game is acting trash

I clipped over 7 clip tonight of hammer hit not registering

[karmic delta]

i'm making a compilation of it reaching unreasonably far right now lool

[scarlet shuttle]

My best one so far, Super Gravity Hammer, 3 hits on the same guy, one of them a direct hit in the back, guy doesn’t die, proceed to kill me and t-bag me 🤣

[karmic delta]

This kinda stuff happens way too often 😦 I had to remind myself that I'm not actually bad at FPS's anymore and played some MCC games and felt better 🙂 I actually turned off player outlines entirely on infinite and I'm getting way more kills without the distracting neon glow everywhere

[left snow]

Hopefully not needed.

They are testing new net code with Fire Fight as we type.

[crystal iron]

And every round I pay provides data ....

I'm doing my part ...

Playing Spotify on my TV while playing firefight and Don't stop believing starts playing. As we are fighting the final boss lol

[analog salmon]

gotta be brutally honest, ranked doubles just isn't being taken seriously

seen so many people asking for better maps and we've just got the same maps plus a few of the halo 3 refueled maps

i dont understand where the feedback is coming from asking for some of these community maps over a map like live fire

they are just straight up not competitive, while live fire is

I think even people who dont like dredge, which is most of the ranked community, would take it over a fair few of the maps in doubles rn

[serene furnace]

idk man

Ranked is the most boring way to play the game to me

Playing ranked on Halo is like playing Smash Bros without any items or stage hazards

[analog salmon]

me and my buddy played regular doubles and second game in the other team both quit

and we just like the bandit over the sidekick

[serene furnace]

Don't you spawn with a bandit in BTB

[analog salmon]

if you have a very similar skill partner, ranked doubles is a ton of fun. its just so let down by maps that are not even close to the experience playing on Recharge/Streets/Live Fire

343 nailed small competitive maps at launch and i dont understand why we havent gotten anything since. that's ultimately probably why doubles is so lacking

halo on small tight maps is just a ton of fun imo

a lot of it is preference/playstyle but that's just what i get a kick from most. being able to get straight into action right off the spawn if its the best play to make

[smoky stone]

Just want to say, Extraction is a neat mode, but not having a visible countdown timer is really bad design.

[smoky stone]

Why is ranked boring? You either like or don't like competitive halo.

[serene furnace]

No vehicles, very limited map selection, very limited weapon sandbox and no radar

[smoky stone]

lol, welcome to esports Halo. It's not meant to be an open sandbox. It's meant to be a limited set of weapons in order to create a competitive esports contest.

Are you new to Halo?

[serene furnace]

Hence, boring

[serene furnace]

CE veteran

Competitive play has its audience and I am not it
I play Halo for social experiences

[smoky stone]

rofl, I played CE as well, bought it in 2001, rarely played anything outside of a 1v1 or 2v2, at most, was able to get two xboxes together for 4v4s, but we mainly played slayer with pistol/ar starts, no motion sensor. Halo is one of those games you can play esports and casually. I personally prefer the esports part of the game, it's fun and it's like a sport.

BTB on large maps is just a bunch of chaotic mess with no real organization of trying to win the game.

[serene furnace]

That is the casual appeal of Halo
It was designed to have vehicles in large areas along with power weapons

[bleak nymph]

TBF games instantly became less social when party chat became a thing. It took a while to realize it if you were around before, since you already had a huge friends list of people. But after Halo declined, not having a friends list full of people to play with and being basically forced to look for Discord communities if you want to meet anyone new while playing has been rough.

[serene furnace]

And that is what I enjoy