halo-discussion

[onyx latch]

I don't really care about the name change and think it's more stupid to grouse about the change than just shrug.

People know what I mean when I say either unless they're being obtuse, so.

[tulip tusk]

its cool always like big modes some pve added in even cooler

[open swift]

Pve is always fun

[empty rapids]

Some PVE modes would actually be pretty cool

[open swift]

Like what

[empty rapids]

anything

[white birch]

Firefight would be nice.

[magic loom]

A short randomized Headhunters campaign and Firefight would be great to add

[stoic canopy]

You know I've been wondering why MS and 343 are so committed to only the "Professional Sports" model for HCS.

Like you can still have that, but why not have Open Brackets that anyone can join? Have the Professional Teams side of things, but an Open FFA Tournament or an Open Mixed Teams Tournament at the same time that anyone can sign up for.

As a fan of FGs while it's nice to watch the pros do pro stuff, actually getting to participate in or watch some random go on a tear is a significant part of why it's fun.

[frosty condor]

They have open bracket at every HCS Major for the small guys to prove themselves

[serene badger]

Like a challengers league? Where each year, 20 amateur teams compete and the winner goes to the professional HCS tournament?

[frosty steeple]

Is infinite currently down?

[coarse dagger]

Are you playing via cloud?

[frosty steeple]

No

Xbox

I cannot connect to the dedicated server

[coarse dagger]

Can you go here and submit an outage report?
https://support.halowaypoint.com/hc/en-us

It may still be Xbox related, but worth reporting

[frosty steeple]

Done 👍

[coarse dagger]

Thanks!

[gritty hearth]

i htink they are down

i cannot find dedicated server

[knotty ermine]

same

[twin crag]

after connecting to server step there's a message - Unable to start dedicated server. Please try again everytime

[coarse dagger]

Make sure to submit an outage flag on the support site

[twin crag]

done

[gritty hearth]

brotha is still tryna to matchmake

its not gonna work bro

[knotty ermine]

what?

digi what are you responding to?

[twin crag]

man I only get 2 days in the week to play Halo :(

[gritty hearth]

unlucky

[knotty ermine]

eh you're not missing much

but I can feel the pain

[twin crag]

I specifically reserve 3hrs on sat and sun to play ranked :(

[twin crag]

oh I'm missing a lot

[knotty ermine]

same gameplay loop. it's not like destiny

[twin crag]

so?

[knotty ermine]

you're not missing much. you'll play the same pvp match when you come back

it's not like it's going away

[twin crag]

what are you saying

[knotty ermine]

it's the same game when you come back to play. same gameplay loop. it's not like there would be something new every week.

oh btw. halo mcc is not working either

looks like the entire 343 took a dump

[coarse dagger]

Can you go here and submit an outage report?
https://support.halowaypoint.com/hc/en-us

It may still be related to Xbox service issues, but worth reporting

[knotty ermine]

I already did. but for infinite

didn't know it extended to mcc as well

[coarse dagger]

Some Xbox services were down earlier

[knotty ermine]

time to play some gmod

[twin crag]

what are you saying man

im really confused

it's always the same game and idc

ik what halo is, I've played it for years and years

[crystal iron]

That’s… literally the point of pvp games… same gameplay loop, doesn’t mean that it’s bad or not entertaining for people…

[queen basalt]

[crystal iron]

Hell, most of games, not only pvp, have the same gameplay loop for most of the time and they are still fun

[knotty ermine]

never said it's bad. just saying he's not missing much when not playing the game

[crystal iron]

Well, if he doesn’t have much free time and really likes playing halo then he is missing a lot

[ruby lake]

[crystal iron]

?

[knotty ermine]

not really. he'll be seeing the same game. the game isn't going away unlike some games that remove content

[crystal iron]

Missing out on the time you use for fun is as important as the possibility of missing content. No point in trying to suggest anyone is right or wrong for how they decide what they value.

[ruby lake]

i just play halo infinite for the events and complete battlepasses

[crystal iron]

Yeah, sure but I guess you don’t get my point. He’s missing an option to play the game that he wants which in case of not having much of free time is a lot

[ruby lake]

i dont really see how this game is "superwackyultra"fun anymore

[crystal iron]

I play pretty often, but yeah it's mostly to grind the passes and also I really like some of the game modes. I miss husky raid already

[ruby lake]

game modes are fun tho

[crystal iron]

Glad social BTB is back, BTB snipers was intense

I'm glad it rotates still

[knotty ermine]

go to custom lobbies. there's so good stuff there

especially cod zombies in the game LMAO

[ruby lake]

i already went there

[crystal iron]

I've never tried custom games

servers down

[ruby lake]

i just let out a sigh and exited the custom games

[crystal iron]

Can you let it choose a random one for you? I'm not too interested in searching for something through menus

[knotty ermine]

still down? I legit have no idea what to do right now. I've been off work for months and played almost every game. and im too lazy to play god of war

[olive brook]

mcc not workin for any1 else?

[coarse dagger]

Need to remember that it's still only 7am in Seattle and it's a Saturday

[crystal iron]

Right

[coarse dagger]

Along with Xbox issues this morning it may take time for an update to come

Just be patient, I'm sure it will be back up soon

[olive brook]

so the games r down rn?

or is it just my internet acting up

[crystal iron]

Sucks to be on call

It's down yeah @olive brook

[olive brook]

oh

guess i'll have to go outside if thats the case

[coarse dagger]

If you are experiencing issues with Halo, can you go here and submit an outage report?
https://support.halowaypoint.com/hc/en-us

It may still be related to Xbox service issues, but worth reporting

[ruby lake]

]![ idk if its just me but i think infinite's starting to bore me out.

not trying to be harsh or anything

[ruby lake]

i dont think so

[winter yacht]

I can't find dedicated seeerver

[coarse dagger]

^

[winter yacht]

excellent

did someone accidentally pull a plug out the socket or something

[knotty ermine]

are servers still down?

oh nvm

[wanton moth]

Ya idk usually it gets resolved quickly. It doesnt show xbox being down on there website maybe its just halo

[knotty ermine]

well at least I can mess with forge for on-..

I can't even get on forge?!

how do I go offline this crap?

okay I looked this up.. and honestly.. F u? I can't load up forge offline so I can't work on a map unless I have internet? this is so asinine

[winter yacht]

😭

i dont even want to play anymore

[stoic vector]

Nevermind "competitive shooter". Infinite is a game where you compete against packet loss, desync, and other network issues. Comically bad.

[knotty ermine]

I never had network issues in game actually

[stoic vector]

You must be special then, considering it is a widely known issue. Some in NA seem to have less issues.

[wanton moth]

Ya cheating is more of a problem then network stability lol i can deal with 100 ping

[stoic vector]

You shouldn't have to deal with 100 ms and no rejoin option in a game this far along in development. I think that's the point.

[full warren]

I guess the server is still donw

[wanton moth]

And im in NY so i usually get goo connection

[knotty ermine]

I never saw cheating either

[wanton moth]

What rank are you?

[onyx latch]

People like making up problems to justify their low acumen at playing.

[knotty ermine]

I've seen a lot of players that don't know what the objective is though

[wispy garden]

Sometimes I get 1000ping fluctuations on Infinite lmao

[knotty ermine]

rank? I don't play ranked. last time I did I got into a insane match with the biggest sweats i've ever seen but still won

[full warren]

I am confused are some people getting games now?

[wispy garden]

No, not for me

Both MCC and Infinite 🤔

[stoic vector]

Ah, makes sense now.

[full warren]

oh wait suddenly I just got a game after ti saying no server twice

[wanton moth]

Lol then you wouldnt even know what cheating looks like to be fair. I have over 17k games played all 1700-2200 lobbies
I can tell you. Cheating is a huge problem

Lets see if get game

[knotty ermine]

idk. even I played a few ranked games and some people move like crazy but it didn't strike me as a cheater

[onyx latch]

🙄

[wanton moth]

Movement isnt cheating lol i fly around the map G slide of everything. I can tell soft aim bot and walls i play this game very competitively with other players at a very high level went back and studied theater
Cheating is most definitely an ongoing issue

And looks i i got a game fellas loading in now 🫡

[onyx latch]

"This profile is private"

Cowardice of the highest order.

[knotty ermine]

oh sweet. servers are back

[pastel stump]

are servers still down for the most keep gettin cant start dedicated!

[onyx latch]

I wouldn't believe him, personally.

[knotty ermine]

forge time

[knotty ermine]

who's profile is private?>

[onyx latch]

HalfDees.

Can't view it on stattracking sites.

[knotty ermine]

stattracking? like game stats?

[onyx latch]

Aff.

Yes.

[knotty ermine]

Ah

[onyx latch]

For example, I don't mind showing off mine because I'm not trying to say I'm something I'm not and don't really care if someone knows my stats.

[knotty ermine]

the only time I found out someone was cheating was a clan member that we being reviews by the leaders and they saw some crazy stuff from him that was so suspicious. like shooting someone that was invis the moment he peaked by a rock and the person that was invis was nowhere near him

[onyx latch]

Some people are easily confused by other people having gamesense or MKB aim, among other things.

IE, "I couldn't predict getting predicted, ergo he is hacking"

[knotty ermine]

eh I never looked up anyones stats or care to. I'm just giving my experience. there could be cheaters but cheating has been getting better sadly. I think I remember seeing people showing a new cheating tool that literally plays like an AI but at high level

this was cod footage

[onyx latch]

Yeah, there's some advanced ones out there.

It's actually kind of fascinating. Shame it ruins the experience for other players.

I was hoping learning algorythms would be used for more than just ruining people's hobbies.

[wanton moth]

Thats weird its public on my game setting....

[wanton moth]

I just took a pic for proof but it wont let me send here

Thats actually annoying

[onyx latch]

Gotta be cool like me, sorry.

[wanton moth]

You only change that in the menu right?? Match history privacy? There isnno other location?

[knotty ermine]

okay. I never felt so excited to play with forge. so many choices

[onyx latch]

I was talking about Halotracker.

[wanton moth]

Ya thats how you make it public through the game

Idk how else one would do that

[knotty ermine]

well with A.I art and audio, the world is going to be very hard to survive if you're a target. hopefully no one ever uses it to make something malicious out of it.

[full warren]

people who private their stats are just hackers lol

[knotty ermine]

do you private your stats in game or is this a thing they have private on their xbox account in general?

[full warren]

They dont want to see your stats, I always fine people who get one too many snipe shots and when i go check itshidden

[knotty ermine]

cause if they have their xbox account private then thats different. but if there's a specific in game option, I have my doubts of that person being a hacker

[full warren]

well I never seen a bad player hide their stats lol

only see people with 10+KDA hidding it to be hoenst even if they hide it there is a website you can see it on

you just can't see it on halo tracker

[knotty ermine]

but how do you hide your stats?

[full warren]

somewhere in game under accessiblity i think there is a privacy setting

you can share or not share your games

[full warren]

^ see above

[knotty ermine]

ah I found it. match history privacy

okay yeah. very interesting to keep that sort of information confidential

[chrome river]

people who play on Alts/Smurfs do this intentionally so they don't get hate messages while they either warm up on a different tag or in general play on their main and people send same messages because their better

[knotty ermine]

okay. whoever made the ship prefabs are amazing. these sips do great for skyboxes

[crystal iron]

Halo 4's body type selector its bugged on Xbox Series :v

But for some reason it works in offline gamemodes

[signal ivy]

did you submit a ticket?

[open swift]

If I were to buy the heroes of reach battle pass, would I have it until I finish it, or for a set period of time?

[coarse dagger]

Once you buy it, you have it until you finish - no matter how long that takes

[empty rapids]

i cant with this mm

i'm getting the most braindead of allies

i'd rather play diamond sweat matches all day every day

[knotty ermine]

lmao.. I just got a heart attack from looking at the fx folder in forge.. one of them being lightning

oh my god XD. I was hoping it wasn't just going to be up my face

[open swift]

Thanks @coarse dagger

[coarse dagger]

👍

[knotty ermine]

I honestly hoped forge would have some lighting presets like night, sunset, dusk etc.

[tulip tusk]

i think there is some way to move the location of the sun on some maps maybe thre is. its pretty cool but makes shadows a bit strange too if you want a symmetrically lit map. i did like the little lights they had in Reach forge idk if they exist in Infinite

[knotty ermine]

infinite seems to have full control of lighting and movement of the sun

I just wish the forge maps had lighting presets

btw idk why this is happening but halo infinite is the only game that crashes steam when the game itself crashes..

probably one thing I wish was added was a third sound. thunder sound is great but would love to have something else in the background

[hushed nest]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-dance-gif-15826110

party time in reach

[crystal iron]

I still play halo 5 ranked slayer

I'm waiting for halo 6

[coarse dagger]

Halo 6 is already out - Infinite

[crystal iron]

No xd how do I do that

[crystal iron]

yeah its good

[knotty ermine]

okay i'm losing my mind but I know there is a player model in forge but I can't find it.. why is there no search bar in forge

found it. scale objetcs>player scale object

[sullen kiln]

Please refer to the Halo Support site for additional information and/or to submit a ticket concerning any issues you may be experiencing.

https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[crystal iron]

ok thx lol

[knotty ermine]

Dude I never realized how large these forge maps are. I don't even need to use like.. half of the map now that im seeing this

[white birch]

Its funny, this is the same complaint my dad had about video games.
My dads almost 70 now. Boomer thoughts XD

[livid fable]

this is true. i'm awful and i have no incentive to hide my stats.

[grim citrus]

You’re playing a top 2 halo game. Kudos to you my good man!

[crystal iron]

Still rocking the og Xbox one black 1tb

Halo 5 was my first video game

Well my first rated T game

[grim citrus]

What’s your rank?

[crystal iron]

Let me check

[slim flint]

what’s the top 1?

[signal ivy]

Halo 4

[open swift]

Which battle pass is better, lone wolves, or heroes of reach?

[crystal iron]

66

[grim citrus]

I mean your csr

[slim flint]

if you get heroes of reach you can have almost all of the reach items

but if you get lone wolves I think you get enough credits from it to buy another season pass

[open swift]

Ok thanks

Im just wondering which one to buy

I’ll get heroes of reach

[slim flint]

have you gotten the winter update pass yet?

[open swift]

Yep

That’s when I started playing infinite

[full warren]

wow game crash while it was 48-41 in a slayer....

[slim flint]

no matter what, halo will always find a way to screw you over

[full warren]

Like somehow my older pc dont crash with halo but my newer pc with a 3070ti crashes ever few games

its really annonyed how a AAA title can crash on a brand new pc with the latest firmwares and most popular hardware, I didn't build some crazy rig or anyithign jsut middle of the range

[modest nimbus]

thats the joke

[limpid lance]

For the next game, you want them to have the campaign follow the Infinite design or the more linear structure of the earlier games?

[onyx latch]

A better hybrid between the two.

[open swift]

I feel that the next game should be a spin-off- like odst or reach

[limpid lance]

I think a cool way to do it might be like mixing ODST and Infinite:
There'll be a semi open world like Infinite where there are HVTs and other things, and there will be spots we have to travel to in order to begin a linear mission like how ODST transitioned to flashback missions

[slim flint]

if they don’t give Halo 7 the tagline Beyond it’ll be a wasted opportunity

[limpid lance]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-toy-story-nodding-smile-and-nod-gif-11730982

[open swift]

It’s gotta be a Sangheili themed game called Halo : Wort

[limpid lance]

I thought it'd be Halo: BLARG

[modest nimbus]

have 2 sequels after that

The wort wort wort trilogy

[open swift]

I approve

[low musk]

Just finished Season 4's BP. Gotta go back and try to finish out Season 3's since I only got to about tier 36. At least its a goal before Season 5 hits the scene

[empty rapids]

i just maxed out the current season last night w/o the premium battlepass or boosters

it's honestly not that hard to do if you play casually

which is nice

[lusty wraith]

Ditching the pseudo open-world would be some of the best news for me. Makes it all that much likely that they won’t 🥲

[ruby knoll]

boo hoo

[civic sundial]

While I think it worked within the context of Infinite's campaign, I don't think it'd make sense for them to try and follow that same design for the next main Halo title's campaign. A more linear campaign would be nice to see again

[quick pagoda]

Why pseudo ? It's an open world

[twin crag]

it's much closer to hub world

[drowsy stag]

Is it too late for infinite to be fixed

Or could it be like destiny

[civic sundial]

Infinite has been on the up and up over the past year. Ain't perfect but it's definitely fun to play

Not sure what you mean by "Could it be like Destiny". Hopefully you're not suggesting that Halo copies Destiny's gameplay loop

[drowsy stag]

I mean like could it be redeemed like destiny was after 7 years since launch

[tepid latch]

Infinite is definitely in a much better place now than it was even in season 3. Season 4 has had the most to offer with updates coming much more often and with forgers having time to develop their maps and modes, groups like the Forge Falcon's have made incredibly cool game modes. itll be exciting to see what comes with season 5 onwards

[limpid lance]

Something I wasn’t a fan of with the campaign was the main missions were all interior and a lot of them felt very similar, which was a real shame

[quick pagoda]

Its an open world just like Far Cry, GTA, etc. Just because you didn't like it, it doesn't mean it's not open

[twin crag]

what, when did I say I didn't like it

it has areas of linearity and but also features a big vast map, open for exploration

[slim flint]

infinite’s really good right now

it could (and should) improve, but it’s still a lot of fun

[civic sundial]

I mean, it's not surprising that the interiors of Forerunner structures are similar on a Halo ring, so I didn't mind it

[uneven bison]

An open world game done correctly would be great, but I wouldn’t mind a linear game either. If they do follow the open world style they need to fix a few things.

[lusty wraith]

It isn’t really even close to something like GTA. Unless you think ‘large map’ is the only relevant feature of an open-world game, Halo Infinite is missing so much before you can consider it to be a fully featured open-world game

[limpid lance]

I'm fine with Forerunner interiors looking similar, however at many times it felt like they were repeating the same hallway
Also, I hope they have main campaign missions be outside as well, the Road was nice, but that was just 1

[uneven bison]

“Big map” is only the very core of a open world game. If you want it to stand out, you need more then just rolling green hills with some shallow lakes and forests

Which, infinite does have, but is done far better in other games

Same with ODST.

[grim citrus]

Halo infinite is basically one big “halo” CE level

Which is rather disappointing considering how lore rich Zeta Halo is

[limpid lance]

I get wanting to recreate that level on a larger scale, but it's a shame we didn't get set-pieces like the bridge battle in Halo 2, fighting the Scarabs in Halo 3, or the warzone set-pieces of Reach

[grim citrus]

That’s something I’m glad wasn’t brought back. Relying too much on nostalgia bits for fan service holds studios back in creativity and innovation to their games.

But that’s just me.

[limpid lance]

Oh I don't mean recreating those moments, but having moments that match those, something level or bit of a level where you're like, "this is epic"

[grim citrus]

Ah, I see. My mistake.

[limpid lance]

Like I hope we get to fight a Banished Scarab in the next game or some big encounter
Might sound random, but I hope they can make the Endless encounters dope

[grim citrus]

If the story is a continuation of infinite with only Chief as the main protagonist, I will not be looking forward to it.

Let Steve rest and give shine to other characters.

[knotty ermine]

no

chief has a lot of potential to be somewhat like kratos in ragnarok and I noticed that in infinite. chief is changing ever since cortana gone insane

[onyx latch]

I mean, it's objectively the reason the Terminator movies have degenerated, and it's one of the chief reasons the vast majority of franchise plots are slowly or swiftly degrading into nothing but pandering towards superfans who aren't actually very receptive to things they're fans of getting new stuff that makes sense and isn't just rehashing the old like some sort of reformer's dream.

I wish Terminator Salvation spawned the trilogy it was supposed to.

[pallid cargo]

I was thinking, how can halo infinite PvE be a great replacement for halo 5 PvE ? Halo 5 PvE was huge and to me one of the best in the franchise excluding the microtranctions, now that the gane has no rec PACs will it be just like halo reach PvE or will they try to do something massive with it ?

[civic sundial]

Who knows?

[twin crag]

Warzone would be fun in Infinite

[civic sundial]

I think we need one more Chief story with how Infinite ended, but I definitely want to move on from Chief going forward. We need new faces for the franchise

[lusty wraith]

But I mean consider any other game/series marketed as ‘open-world’

Bethesda titles, Zelda BOTW/TOTK, GTA, Elden Ring, Cyberpunk, Witcher, etc. All of these (and more) completely dwarf Halo in terms of exploration, depth, and interaction. I’d imagine 343i didn’t go “full open world” on purpose, but I’d really just prefer one or the other if they’re going to go down that path to begin with. Either give me a linear game, or a fully-featured single-player open world game. Not ‘linear but with extra steps’ that we got.

[limpid lance]

I’m fine with Chief still being the lead, as Infinite didn’t bring an end to his story

[onyx latch]

Infinite really needs commendations, I'd say.

[civic sundial]

Hopefully those commendations come with unlockables for completing them

[onyx latch]

As it stands, it suffers from the same big problem as other Halos kind of did, that other franchises managed to find a salve for. Half the issue is that Halo is built around pretty much the same gameplay loop ad infinitum.

And while other games, sure, have the same thing, that gameplay loop can also be wildly variable compared to Halo's.

[lusty wraith]

Chief being the lead is so annoying, especially since 343i want to take the ‘vessel’ out of the ‘vessel character’ so badly with him. Just have us play as our own spartan insert character with our own armor and make Chief a supporting character in the story

[civic sundial]

Well that was the plan at some point, finish up Chief's story and then focus on our multiplayer Spartan in the future

[onyx latch]

I miss Dinh's howl already :c

[lusty wraith]

Was it? All evidence points to making him and Cortana’s relationship the core story beat of the franchise

[civic sundial]

Joe Staten said multiple times that the plan was to eventually move on from Chief and to our Spartan in future campaigns

Granted plans have no doubt changed since late 2021 but he still said that publically

[civic sundial]

I don't get why people hated it, he's not an S-II and normal human soldiers in the modern day do stuff like that

[onyx latch]

It was the bestest thing.

[lusty wraith]

Can you link this? I’ve never seen him say that

[pallid cargo]

I'm gonna say a very strong hot take

The halo show Is good and I like it

[lusty wraith]

👍

Everyone is entitled to their opinion

[onyx latch]

Careful, you might get harassed off of a platform or out of the franchise's youtuber sphere.

Throwing around statements like that.

[grim citrus]

Infinite didn’t really solve anything. Just a bunch of questions. They could’ve ended chief’s story if they continued directly from 5

I honestly wouldn’t mind Chief playing a sgt Johnson role in future titles

Just get him out of the spotlight

Bungie could’ve fleshed his character out a lot better in the early 00’s, but they were too focused on making him cool

[pallid cargo]

Y'all say that chief should step out of the spotlight but I bet y'all would act like apes if 343 decided to kill him to give place to an other spartan

[grim citrus]

His days are over

[grim citrus]

Wouldn’t mind it at all

[limpid lance]

@grim citrus I’m guessing Chief will remain the lead protagonist until the end of the story

[grim citrus]

Locke or jerome can step in

[onyx latch]

Lmao, you haven't seen Jule or I talk very much.

[zenith holly]

If he does pass away, the least 343 could do is not misinform it like they did with halo 5s marketing advertisement

[onyx latch]

I've been advocating Chief pass the reigns since before 4 came out.

[grim citrus]

Clearly

[pallid cargo]

Didn't everyone hated Locke for taking the spotlight fron MasterChief in halo 5

[grim citrus]

Never understood the obsession with a character the games never fleshed out

[grim citrus]

Who’s everyone. I speak for myself

[crystal iron]

At some point they will have to either kill master chief or recast the actor

[ruby lake]

hi

.

what are you guys talking about?

[pallid cargo]

Like the entire fan base ? I remember very well at halo 5 launch no one liked Locke

[onyx latch]

Wouldn't be so sure of that considering Downes is down for the absolutely ghoulish act of puppeting Chief's voice via AI.

[onyx latch]

Jules and I both like Halo 5.

Hell, my favorite Spartan's Tanaka.

[knotty ermine]

probably. but they also don't have to kill him. but the thing about a character like chief. is retirement doesn't exist for him. do they?

[ruby lake]

i do too

[crystal iron]

Wait, really?

[pallid cargo]

I'm not saying they shouldn't I'm saying that the fan base would go nuts in a bad way if they done that

[knotty ermine]

since they were born to fight, they can't just live a civilian life. but I could see chief being a instructor for future spartans

[onyx latch]

It was a while ago, but yeah. I remember it being pointed out when voice AI memes were getting more prevalent.

[pallid cargo]

Wait what ?

[halcyon vessel]

guys pls help, trying to do split screen campaign on infinite and it’s not working, have 343 removed it?

[knotty ermine]

that could be interesting

[onyx latch]

It was never allowed in the first place.

Only split screen MP is allowed.

[pallid cargo]

How do we tell him ?

[knotty ermine]

wow thats lame

[pallid cargo]

Yeah

[crystal iron]

Damn, tbh I don’t like the idea of replacing voice actors with AI

[ruby lake]

you fool

you insufferable weasel

[halcyon vessel]

wtf so there’s no split screen?

[ruby lake]

no.

[halcyon vessel]

so they lied at launch

[pallid cargo]

No one does I don't wanna lose my job to ai in the future

[crystal iron]

Oh, yeah, fanbase would definitely go crazy

[knotty ermine]

I remember angry joes reaction to not having split screen for halo 5. what a appropriate reaction

[ruby lake]

yeah

[onyx latch]

They've had MP splitscreen since launch.

[crystal iron]

Yeah, it’s scary

[onyx latch]

More that they tried and couldn't reconcile the issue.

[grim citrus]

You appreciate fine gaming, @ruby lake

[onyx latch]

So they abandoned it in order to save resources.

[knotty ermine]

to be fair. the person working on the A.I has the job instead of the voice actor

[ruby lake]

i do

i still have my copy of halo 5

[pallid cargo]

Still not fair

[knotty ermine]

remember how halo infinite launched with no split screen, no multiplayer campaign, no forge and no custom lobbies? I do lmao

[ruby lake]

but the disk is kinda damaged

[onyx latch]

The cringe actor who screeches and whines on the internet never has an appropriate reaction to anything.

[pallid cargo]

Yeah I remember that but we moved on from that

[knotty ermine]

eh. A.I voice still sucks. hearing lukes voice in mando was horrible and robotic as f

[knotty ermine]

lol you really shouldn't

[halcyon vessel]

yea but no campaign split screen 😦

[pallid cargo]

Well said

[grim citrus]

He’s another one that trend hopped on whatever is popular

[ruby lake]

i think he was loosing it at that time

[onyx latch]

It launched with MP Splitscreen.

[halcyon vessel]

damn anyway thanks for the help guys

[knotty ermine]

is this their first time releasing the game without the content fully launched?

[lusty wraith]

It was Hamill with de-aging not full on AI

[crystal iron]

Exactly, few actors can be replaced with one guy using AI and it’s definitely not good

[grim citrus]

People still complaining about split screen?

[onyx latch]

Yes.

[knotty ermine]

im talking about campaign. you know, the game friends usually play when coming over someones house

[grim citrus]

Lmao

[ruby lake]

yeah
ad its stupid

[knotty ermine]

people still shill for 343?

[onyx latch]

People still say this?

[knotty ermine]

the fact that you guys accept this is telling

[ruby lake]

there are things more important than splitscreen

like having a life

[grim citrus]

Accept what

[onyx latch]

Good way to get a mute or a warning.

[pallid cargo]

For real

[onyx latch]

A well deserved one.

[ruby lake]

and not bootlicking over bungie's games 24/7

[onyx latch]

Just because I don't think some things are issues doesn't mean I don't think there are issues with how things are conducted.

[knotty ermine]

coming from the guy that literally defends this game till the end to the point that I saw you delete your own post because you knew you were going to get demolished

[lusty wraith]

Dude no split-screen really killed Halo for my personal friend group. We were all hyped to get together and do our classic hand-off after death play-through. No one I know personally plays Halo anymore

[halcyon vessel]

yeh same here

[knotty ermine]

thats actually why I don't even go to my friends house. we just play smash or something more fun and friendly for people irl

[zenith holly]

I can't see why people would still complain about the things infinite didn't have back then and not enjoy having them now, like they clearly haven't moved on

[onyx latch]

Weird how you're suddenly so annoyed by my existence.

[civic sundial]

I do wonder what she's doing right now. Were it not for Outcasts existing, I'd be wondering where Vale is

[knotty ermine]

I always am

[grim citrus]

People that complain about split screen are the same ones that complain about not having playable elites

[ruby lake]

especially those halotubers

"halo iz dead!"

"halo 's beyond 'epair!"

"halo dead..."

like grow up

[grim citrus]

And barely anyone uses elites in MCC

Complain just to complain

[knotty ermine]

that is so incorrect

[grim citrus]

That is not incorrect.

[knotty ermine]

so false that I bet you don't even go to custom lobbies to get your facts. Have you seen how many people host servers where it's filled with elites?

[onyx latch]

Then maybe you should grow up and move on.

[zenith holly]

I know....it's like oh halo is dead, then make some positive content about it so it doesn't die

[civic sundial]

The irony is that Halo is nowhere near being dead, sure it's taken hits but it's not dead yet, especially when compared to some of the games I've seen people compare it to. Like, I've seen people compare it to Anthem

[grim citrus]

I don’t. I go in MM and I see majority Spartans

[knotty ermine]

hard to when you blindly defend a dev team because they did something you liked. you have a bias i've seen in the destiny fanbase and I am open to call it out

[crystal iron]

Yeah, I rarely see any elite players. Though campaign split screen definitely shouldn’t be cancelled but oh well, we can’t do anything about it

[onyx latch]

Less engagement, typically about half.

[zenith holly]

Mike how many elite players have you seen on MCC?

[lusty wraith]

I mean to me it feels like it’s always on the cusp. Reminds me of BLR before that got sunsetted on PC

[knotty ermine]

because the elite players are in custom lobbies. also halo reach MM don't allow elites. but i'mma give you good faith and believe you're speaking of 2 and 3

[knotty ermine]

I was literally in a server last night full of them. a full lobby of them

[ruby lake]

''halo dead...."

the day after: "HALO IS BACK BABY!! POPULATION GREWWW!"

like bro, zip it, go outside, and do something worthwhile with your life

[onyx latch]

Blindly? I openly criticize them frequently.

[lusty wraith]

How did the conversation turn into a playable elites debate

[onyx latch]

I've done it in this literal conversation.

[ruby lake]

bruh i have NOT seen one elite in a custom game.😭

[onyx latch]

Christ, ask half the people in this conversation if I've criticized 343i's handling of the franchise. They'll tell you that I have.

[grim citrus]

The reach this guy has

[ruby lake]

what are you yappin about?

[zenith holly]

When someone disagrees with it

[knotty ermine]

what game is it? cause I have seen so many of them. especially if it's a clan.

[grim citrus]

It’s a small percentage of people that use elites

[knotty ermine]

some people even host socials for sanghellios as a map

[ruby lake]

..

[grim citrus]

This is hilarious

[zenith holly]

Mike is either on PC and seeing it or he smoking that grunt gas

[crystal iron]

Tbh it’s funny that some people call liking something that a company did defending said company

[onyx latch]

I generally don't consider RP lobbies to be all that high of a priority.

[ruby lake]

hes making me dumb help

[lusty wraith]

I’m guessing one of the fifty people I have blocked here instigated some lame argument lmao

[knotty ermine]

why does my platform matter? i'm talking about custom lobbies

[knotty ermine]

lol dm me the name

[grim citrus]

And people are not using splitscreen as frequent as you think. If that was the case, it would’ve been a priority

[ruby lake]

both.

[onyx latch]

It's asinine is what it is.

[knotty ermine]

you guys are high as hell. jesus christ

[ruby lake]

i dont use splitscreen becausse i have no friends

[smoky wave]

Clan elite? lmao

[zenith holly]

Bro what did he do?

[ruby lake]

clans are cringe

[knotty ermine]

yeah? have you not seen them in mcc servers?

[smoky wave]

Thankfully not that much

[grim citrus]

The good ol “I have no argument so let’s insult”

[smoky wave]

Good thing 343 did the right thing

[crystal iron]

And I find it a little bit funny lol

[knotty ermine]

clans are cringe. especially those that take it too serious and try to roleplay in servers. I just chill out in socials

[zenith holly]

Especially unsc military clans

[knotty ermine]

clans exist in infinite. wtf are you on dude?

[ruby lake]

yeah instead of insultin somebody i insult myself

[lusty wraith]

People here get pressed about people having fun as elites in customs 💀💀💀

[knotty ermine]

oh god not those. unsc clans are even worse than sanghelli clans

[onyx latch]

It's 50/50 on if it's funny or not.

[knotty ermine]

gotta defend their 343 overlord lmao

[smoky wave]

I'm talking about elites

[onyx latch]

Right now, it's more annoying than funny.

[zenith holly]

They're the same bro you capping

[ruby lake]

"do 1000 crouches!!"

like bro my thumb will break😭

[slim flint]

because they’re both good features that people like

[grim citrus]

My bad, that was directed to Mike

[knotty ermine]

thats how they are. People can't enjoy one thing so instead they agree to the changes and use the "it doesn't affect me" arguement

[ruby lake]

irs okay

[ruby lake]

??

[zenith holly]

It's worse that I used to be in a ODST clan back in halo reach, never again

[ruby lake]

you broufht this on yourself???

[crystal iron]

What?

[smoky wave]

This is so funny

[onyx latch]

Ugh.

This is so stupid.

[ruby lake]

skull emoji

[ruby lake]

ikr

[frosty condor]

What’s going on here

[zenith holly]

People can't enjoy one thing?...like you bro?

[frosty condor]

Are we talking about halo

[lusty wraith]

Idk someone mentioned elites

[zenith holly]

Yep pretty much

[smoky wave]

Also clans got in the middle

[crystal iron]

#halo-discussion became halo-argument

[ruby lake]

in summary: "ugh!!! ur all just 343 shills!! y dont u just accept that elites exist!!"

[grim citrus]

I’ll say it again; the games aren’t the problem, it’s the people

[knotty ermine]

ew that youtuber is cringe

[ruby lake]

me: "idc lol"

[zenith holly]

Excuse me?

[frosty condor]

Alright Spartans, remember that everyone is entitled to their opinion

Please be smart

And not bash everyone

[zenith holly]

He's the one guy who gave better positivity to MCC and halo infinite

[ruby lake]

💀

[knotty ermine]

no it's the fact that 343 shills defend 343 up the butt for naything. i've seen people literally disagree with the most common false choices for a game. the fact that it's even an arguement shows how hard people wanna defend 343 and their ds choices. 343 hasn't done a good job at releasing the game like halo used to be and people defend that crap. it's pathetic.

[ruby lake]

ok

[knotty ermine]

it's just as bad as bungie shills

[smoky wave]

I stopped reading at 343 shills

[ruby lake]

dont care

• didnt ask

[knotty ermine]

cry about it

[onyx latch]

Typical "He likes Halo I don't like, ergo shill" type responses.

[ruby lake]

it really shows innit

[onyx latch]

It's blatantly obvious.

[smoky wave]

Anyways

[frosty condor]

I shall also remind folks here that you can post your criticisms of 343, but it needs to be constructive. If it’s not, you’ll be warned

[ruby lake]

some guy from armored core 6 quote:

"heyy! why dont you start a sewing club together.. and stitch that mouth shut!"

[grim citrus]

What exactly are people defending

[zenith holly]

Would elites even work on Infinite? The game is fast paced as it is and I'm not sure it'll affect frames with an elite using grapple shot

[ruby lake]

if i had a nickel for every time a halo fan had to ramble about 343 with poorly constructed criticism

id have millions

[lusty wraith]

I mean people here like to dogpile on like one guy until he starts saying “343i sucks y’all are shills” for saying he likes playable elites lmao 🤷‍♂️

[crystal iron]

Hitboxes would be a big problem

[ruby lake]

^

[onyx latch]

If your recourse is to call your dissenters shills, maybe you aren't exactly the best at formulating a response.

And that behavior should not be praised.

[zenith holly]

And how big they will be, wasn't reach elites bigger than 3 elites?

[onyx latch]

Get better, not even.

[lusty wraith]

Yea they were huge

[ruby lake]

yaeh

im pretty sure theyyre big walking targets too since their heads are easier to be aimed at

• hiding behind places but their helmets are still exposed

[zenith holly]

Right. So how will the size be the same as the elites on the campaign or would they adjust it to for the hitbox

[ruby lake]

remember kids!
bigger doesn't mean always better!

[smoky wave]

Balancing issues, not many people use it compared to spartans which also goes in hand about the hitbox issues too, etc

[zenith holly]

Unless it's a ship

[onyx latch]

3 Elites are the same height as a Spartan.

[lusty wraith]

I like that people here know exactly why Elites wouldn’t work in Infinite 🙈

[onyx latch]

It's not like it's hard to figure out why.

[zenith holly]

Lol

[smoky wave]

343 said in their 343ask videos lol

[onyx latch]

It's not like the reasons weren't publicly stated by multiple balance devs.

[lusty wraith]

343i would do it if they could, it’s more an issue of scope

[onyx latch]

It's not like even Bungie devs failed to acknowledge the imbalance.

[crystal iron]

These reasons were already a problem in games with playable elites so…

[lusty wraith]

Mhmm, huge problems mann

[onyx latch]

He's more attracted to a 'gotcha' than actually making a point, frankly. Best ignore the snub.

[smoky wave]

It's been 13 years, it's time to let it go

[frosty condor]

Shall I remind everyone of this glorious image?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471722331820130326/1109473589306081380/IMG_9710.png

[onyx latch]

Huh. Why's ske7ch never online, anyways?

[frosty condor]

Doesn’t need to be

[grim citrus]

Bungie never fails. Always perfection

[lusty wraith]

If it was ONLY this it’d be exceedingly disappointing. Could be cool as an enemy type

[frosty condor]

No discussion of leaks , real or fake

[smoky wave]

I had a dream that elites would come back so Ske7ch is lying here sorry 😔

[onyx latch]

A gut feeling that they're bringing elites back.

[zenith holly]

Well I mean let's recap a little bit, when the covenant attacked earth, earth was mostly screwed. And if the banished reached earth because of iratus we would be screwed. So if we had a firefight would it make sense to fight the iratus Spartans by waves?

[onyx latch]

I highly doubt the Banished can take Earth from the Created. Even after icing Cortana.

If they do, it'll still be a hard-won fight. Alley by alley, street by street.

[civic sundial]

It's not like there's really any good reason for the Banished to try and take Earth

[onyx latch]

That too.

[civic sundial]

Like you could argue the portal at Voi but there's the one on Reach

[crystal iron]

Tbh firefight in which we have to defend UNSC bases from iratus spartans would be pretty cool

[onyx latch]

I could actually see an infection mode where the Iratus Spartans are trying to hunt down and eliminate the humans with actual guns interesting.

[lusty wraith]

I mean in Infinite they were kinda hell bent on destroying humanity…

[onyx latch]

Give the survivors extra ammo and shields/health, but no recharges.

[frosty condor]

That’d be neat

[onyx latch]

No, they were intent on wiping the UNSC presence off the ring.

Individual sub organizations in the Banished still want to wipe humanity, but as faction policy, the Banished do not seek out humanity's annihilation.

[zenith holly]

But what if you had to defend a base of zone against iratus Spartans using guns, he knows about the spartan project wouldn't make sense to them only using swords, even flood used guns and they're parasites

[onyx latch]

Isn't the Reach portal still smaller than the Earth one?

That said, I also recall the Ark actually being a slow, steady ride for the Banished, instead of a portal.

Either way, the Banished were seeking Zeta Halo as a mobile home, not as a weapon.

[zenith holly]

Wasn't atriox planned to fix the firing mechanism on Zeta halo?

[onyx latch]

I mean, what's not cool about a mobile home that can shoot people?

[lusty wraith]

Escharum* and they were trying to live on Zeta Halo or something

[onyx latch]

It also ensures the Banished have an easy way to never get messed with again.

Because, really, who's gonna mess with the folks who can just set off the gun to the galaxy's head the moment you try to stop them?

[zenith holly]

Wouldn't that support my argument of banished become a threat humanity itself if they rebuild the firing mechanism and have complete control of the ring?

That's the campaign plot right? Stopping the banished from taking control and wiping out humanity?

[onyx latch]

Oh, I never said they weren't a threat to humanity. Just not a existential one.

Unless, of course, they decided to go with the religious side of the Banished and try to pull a Covenant.

But then it kinda stops being just humanity's problem.

[lusty wraith]

You’re right? Who’s saying they weren’t trying to destroy humanity lol

[onyx latch]

Maybe if he knew how to unclick a block button he'd know.

But then he wouldn't listen anyways because he doesn't like me, so 🤷‍♂️

[zenith holly]

I didn't block?

[onyx latch]

Talking about AandZ.

They like to prattle on about how proud they are of discovering a block button exists. Best to ignore it.

[zenith holly]

Okay? Don't know why you assumed I blocked you when I've payed attention to what you've been saying

[onyx latch]

I didn't?

I was talking about A&Z literally the entire time.

[lusty wraith]

Somewhat related but this made me laugh https://imgur.com/a/AmUGRqL

[knotty ermine]

even I am confused at what you were thinking psycho

He was talking about AZ

[lusty wraith]

Who is talking about me 😳

[zenith holly]

NVM we just clustered the topic already. Lets move on

[lusty wraith]

Bu-but I wanna know…

[knotty ermine]

you can read blocked messages. you know that right?

[lusty wraith]

Can I? Clicking on blocked messages doesn’t let me view them

[zenith holly]

Trenchbird was cause apparently he was talking about you when he said maybe if he knew how to unclick the block he'd know and that you wouldn't listen because you don't like him or something

[lusty wraith]

Ah ok yea lol let’s move on

[onyx latch]

Only on PC, come to think of it. They disabled it for mobile.

I forgot about that.

Honestly one of the best blocking related UI changes I've seen in years on a mobile device.

[knotty ermine]

oh yeah.. discord is weird. on mobile you can't read blocked messages and you can't instant log to other accounts

[grim citrus]

I block those who argue in bad faith

And those that cannot accept that wrong opinions exists

[thin elm]

True but it wasn’t made very obvious imo

(In game I mean)

[onyx latch]

Oh, yes, it was absolutely mid at it.

Chief's not wrong to be as concerned as he is, because specifically going 'well, the UNSC dying isn't humanity, so'

Is, well

Really cumbersome to say, like saying all this in 5 second intervals.

[thin elm]

Ya maybe chief saying,

Banished killed UNSC men and women, and now they want control of forerunner weapons. I am not letting that happen.

[low musk]

I swear, I hate the 'win x games' challenge. Every time that one shows up, the game seems programmed to make me lose every time

I could do well. I'll play the objectives, but either the team mates never stick together, play the objective, or are good enough to get kills on their own

[ruby lake]

i suck at winning

[thin elm]

its a reasonable challenge tbh

i mean if ur a dev, wut wud be ur challenge

kills only?

[low musk]

Not saying it isn't reasonable

[thin elm]

oh i gotchu

well jus know i had a slayer match

i got 42 kills and lost somehow

(it goes to 50) so i def know the struggle

[low musk]

I do slayer matches, but I still get the stuff pointed abve

[thin elm]

its the SBMM its all shooters it seems

[low musk]

Yes, but again, why does it happen more frequenty the moment this challenge shows up?

[thin elm]

haha brother idk, cud be psychological

when u lose and theres no win challenge

its nbd mentally

[low musk]

Its not that. Its a noticeable difference

[frosty condor]

You’re talking about a mental block / placebo effect

[low musk]

Its not. It happens literally every time the challenge arrives

[thin elm]

its a strong effect, happens to most

[frosty condor]

Happens to me when I gotta get sniper kills. I’m pretty decent with the sniper, but the moment I get a challenge to get 5 kills, I can’t get 1 to save my life

[frosty condor]

So yes, it is.

[low musk]

Look, I make good results

But again, I go in, and I end up getting like a 10-12 losing streak

[thin elm]

cud be u dont notice ur win streaks

where u blast thru W challenges

[low musk]

If that was the case, I'd be getting through that challenge easily

But thats not what is happening. Its why I use the challenge swap the moment I even get one of these

[frosty condor]

Just go outside, touch grass, walk through the park, and come back and win 3 games

[thin elm]

[low musk]

Dude, I literally just got through my challenges for the week. I play 2 hours a day at the most

I don't 'no life it

[thin elm]

its all gud bro, sometimes we need to vent

[low musk]

Come on now. 8 losses in a freaking row....

This is the weekly capstone. I can't skip this

10 kills to 5 deaths on a Big Team Slayer

9 losses now. Joined a losing game 82 to 54

[thin elm]

Maybe try playing later? Take a break

[low musk]

I only have about an hour before I go back to work. I don't have time to take a break

[thin elm]

Ok here’s a tip, prioritize enemy mvp

Keep him from killing ur bad teammates

[low musk]

So ignore any enemy in front of me?

[uneven bison]

That works in situations where said mvp is carrying but if the whole team is pulling their weight then it’s not that simple

[low musk]

Again, my allies don't sick to each other

[crystal iron]

Halo

[low musk]

I swear, my allies are all feeding the enemy

I mark, I callout, I do anything I should do. And here I am again

[crystal iron]

Tell them to get good

Shrimple as that

[low musk]

Yeah, or program the game to give me better or on par team mates

So yea. Now Its easily 10 losses

Tell me the game balances players correctly

[civic sundial]

Aye, the journey initially was long, but if they want to make repeat trips, it helps having the shortcut, regardless if it's the portal on Reach or the one on Earth

[thin elm]

more like kill the mvp, hunt him off spawn

ideally with already acquired power weps

[low musk]

Finally, a win

2 more to go

Just one more victory and I'll try to finish it tomorrow

[civic sundial]

Fingers crossed you can do it!!

[low musk]

Hopefully. Will do my best

[livid fable]

hmmmmmm

okay, not sure why this has to be said, but in free for all, non-vampire ball oddball is awful

in team mode, vampire ball is probably bad, because you're supposed to be using teamwork to keep the ball, and vampire ball can quickly turn fights around

but the ball slows you down. i just swung 5 times at a guy in ffa. but it slows you down so much they can just back up and keep shooting at the same speed you move forward

the strategy of pick it up for one second then fight off everybody else and pick it back up is uhhhh

tedious. at best. At absolute best.

in the ffa games i've played, oddball has the highest quit attrition rate

i can only interpret that to mean oddball normal is the least liked ffa mode. I'm guessing it has to do with how useless the oddball is, and the fact it's an FFA match.

i've played like 10 games of oddball and gotten 0 games of ninja slayer

like is this intentional skinner box territory?

[rugged quartz]

I like vampire ball in FFA

[livid fable]

yeah, it's great in ffa.

an alternative to vampire ball would just be making ffa oddball not impair movement

if you want to impair movement you pretty much have to make it juggernaut style

at least for ffa

[tulip tusk]

i dont like games where im the best player bc im awful noone should let me be top

[lusty wraith]

Believe me, it feels like that for me a lot the time too, but there’s just no way that the MM system would take your challenges into account to place you

[low musk]

There really needs to be an interaction check in this game to actually try and gauge if people are actually playing the game. I see people going about in these games, just holding the forward stick, but gives no check to see if that person is actively playing

[lusty wraith]

There is I believe? I remember seeing posts that people would get banned if they threw losing matches if a teammate quit sometimes

[low musk]

Not quite the same, I'm talking about the game itself actually gauging if the person is actually playing. Did they land any shots on a target. Are they moving towards an active character? Are there any hits registering on an opposing player? That sort of thing

[livid fable]

can we PLEASE make the chopper able to handle slight terrain breaks

it is more efficient to deal with wraiths on foot than it is to use a chopper

[livid fable]

separate but also odd- why are smurf accounts flocking to btb and squad battle, sticking around for half the match, then quitting mid game?

i'm talking people with 0 customization done getting the majority of kills on the map, then just dipping even when their side is winning. what's going on?

[slim flint]

some people just want to watch the world burn

[livid fable]

sure, but 3 games in a row seems odd.

FFA oddball so bad that half the lobby literally just tries to farm kills.

[neon vapor]

Get those guys all the time, I just find it funny lol.

[livid fable]

i'm just confused, frankly. like they're obviously getting something from doing this, i just can't figure out what

maybe it makes it so the stats don't count for them, so they can keep using the same entry-level smurf?

Maybe they get to a comfortable level and they just stop finishing games with that account?

spitballing.

[outer sand]

Probably
I know if you quit in ranked it counts as a loss, might be the same for btb

[solar night]

How does one get kills+not die in any halo multiplayer lobby. Am I just bad? Why does it take so much time for me to kill an enemy whereas I get killed within 2 seconds?

[daring solar]

Just kill the enemies and not die, duh

[solar night]

https://tenor.com/view/my-goodness-what-an-idea-why-didnt-i-facepalm-the-simpsons-gif-17489109

Epic embed fail

[daring solar]

For real though, which game?

[solar night]

All, but it’s toughest on h3

[daring solar]

Like what exactly do you mean?

[solar night]

Of course, I’m facing guys who’ve been playing for over 10 years

I only started playing a few weeks ago

[daring solar]

Yeah, I've heard that the sweatiest of the sweats play Halo 3, so I've never played it. But i have played Reach and Infinite's multiplayer.

I'm a decently new halo player, started like a month or so

[solar night]

I like CE. it’s chaotic

[daring solar]

Havent seen much about CE's multiplayer, but what are you having trouble with?

[solar night]

Eh I just die

But everyone does. Tight spaces, grenade spam

But it’s fun. H3 is not.

[daring solar]

Which game were you talking about? CE or another one?

[solar night]

H3

[daring solar]

Alright, how much do you understand about Halo's gameplay?

[solar night]

Nothing

[daring solar]

Ok, so Halo is a pretty unique game compared to other fps games. Health is separated between shields and health. Shields take most of the damage, and once they're down you can one shot them with a head shot.

There are weapons with unique mechanics, for example, the plasma pistol can be overcharged and remove all shields from an enemy, which can lead into a head shot kill.

Shields cannot take headshot damage btw, so if you shoot them in the head, it does no additional damage. So the best thing to do is to go for body shots and once the shield is down, go for a head shot.

Tons of things are important at getting better at the game: positioning, aiming, utilizing and understanding mechanics, etc.

If you need anything more, just ask

[empty rapids]

plasma pistol is mid, it's great at 1v1 close range because it's a guaranteed kill if you charge + melee or charge + headshot

[fathom sandal]

Really new players can be exactly that

[empty rapids]

i really wish 343i would permaban people who intentionally do nothing to help the team in a game

people who move their controller or mouse just a little to keep from getting DC'd

[fathom sandal]

Play the campaign yet? Best way to learn

[solar night]

Yeah I’ve played them all

Before I played the multiplayer

[fathom sandal]

Like on Legendary? Anyway you said you've been playing for like a month and h3 has been out for 15 years and MCC's population is really low nowadays so so either players one side of spectrum or the other. Complete newbies or players that have been on since 2008.

[solar night]

Heck no, I had enough trouble on normal mode. A million deaths in every game

[fathom sandal]

It's probably one of the best ways to learn how the game works.

[daring solar]

I mean, I didnt say it was amazing. I was using it as an example of unique mechanic that these games have. I'm not the best at explaining stuff anyway.

[fathom sandal]

H2 one was OP. Noob combo used a lot in mul0tiplayer and playing the game on legendary to kill hte ultra elites

[daring solar]

Yeah, playing the campaigns are definitely the best way to learn.

[daring solar]

Yeah, I never played the H2 multiplayer, but destroying the shields of elites instantly makes it so much easier

[fathom sandal]

They toned it down a lot in H3 onwards. In H2 it tracks players too insanely

[lusty wraith]

I love MCC to death but it’s a sweat-fest for sure

[glacial tartan]

Combine low population with games that are so old and it’s bound to happen - add on the matchmaking system it has and it is definitely rough for new players.

[grim citrus]

Old halo games didn’t age well like the old CODS.

[lusty wraith]

Tbh some of the MCC games are sweatier than others. H2 and HCE players are hellish sometimes, but H3, H4, and Reach have been pretty chill for me

[crystal iron]

I feel like Halo 1’s multiplayer was the most chaotic and sweaty at times, especially on Prisoner map

Gameplay wise, I think infinite is the best aside from 3 and reach. Infinite has that big multiplayer flaw with how matches are setup. Heard some ppl even self sabotage themselves to lower their CSR cuz sometimes its just lose lose lose. MintBlitz made a vid on it I think. Better listen to him than me since I dont know much about this stuff but would sure as heck explain a lot of crap

[empty rapids]

just had my first game of comp where everyone played like it was tdm instead of oddball

why, do people do that

[fathom sandal]

Doubt that, CoD is completely cyclical new one is released, previous one dies.

[knotty ermine]

and cod is usually copied and pasted

[grim citrus]

Doubt it? Did you not see people playing cods once the servers were updated?

[knotty ermine]

at least with games like halo or battlefield. each game is drastically different

[grim citrus]

Cods are not copy and pasted

[knotty ermine]

yes they are. you're ignorant if you don't know that

[grim citrus]

Are you telling me the black ops games play like the mw games?

[knotty ermine]

the mw games play like their previous games. the best example was mw2 and mw3. the biggest time their game had massive change was the reboot modern warfare

that game felt like a completely different game.

[knotty ermine]

and yes

[grim citrus]

Then you clearly don’t play cod games.

[knotty ermine]

the only minor changes is things like dolphin dive addition. but the gameplay is the same with just different weapons. some weapons even have the exact same animations

okay so you're clearly ignorant as hell then

what do you expect a game to look like when they have yearly releases? drastic changes? you really have no clue how they're business model works.

[grim citrus]

3 companies work on cod games

[knotty ermine]

and they reuse their own assets as 1 entity

[grim citrus]

Each of them get 2-3 years of development

Lmao this is hilarious

Know your homework before making comments my guy.

[knotty ermine]

yeah and most of that time is made to develop their campaigns. the multiplayer is practically the same with literally just different weapons

for example modern warfare in comparison to mw2 is far different in many aspects than a game like mw2 and mw3

black ops 1 and black ops 2 are pretty much the same besides different graphics and weapon models (animations are still reused and other assets) it's literally the same gameplay, recoil, movement etc.

bo3 added wall run but that was their own major addition to black ops

advanced warfare was praised for being more different than any cod in it's time and thats true

[grim citrus]

Note how you said they just copy and paste, but then say they add things

[knotty ermine]

typical Jules L

[grim citrus]

Walking contradiction man.

[knotty ermine]

oh my god... you really are trying

[grim citrus]

Trying? YOU made the claim.

[knotty ermine]

you can't be that blindly defensive to be this disingenuous

[grim citrus]

Did you or did you not say they just copy and paste their games

[knotty ermine]

just because you add wall run to a game. doesn't change the rest of the gameplay. jesus christ dude

[grim citrus]

Answer the question

[knotty ermine]

I don't have to. you're going to start speaking to a strawman. this is pathetic as hell.

[grim citrus]

😂😂😂😂😂

[knotty ermine]

I literally made my points. but the fact that you're going nuts because I said they added ONE new feature. then the game is thereby not a copy and paste. pathetic excuse of a defense

[grim citrus]

You made contradictions.

[knotty ermine]

thats like taking someones homework and changing a word. ez

I did not. you're speaking to a strawman

[grim citrus]

But arguing with you is baby food. So have a good night.

[knotty ermine]

typical L take from jules. what else can I expect but a disingenuous piece of wood

[low musk]

Really looking forward to the new Tenrai event. I'm interested in seeing what the event pass will look like

[open umbra]

Yeah! More community forge maps to play!

[empty rapids]

do you lose mmr if you have someone leave a comp match right at the start?

like, i left because i didn't feel like getting farmed with one other person for 10 min straight 👁️

[knotty ermine]

despite the bugs with forge that is becoming a challenge. forge is still amazing to mess with. the more I get used to this the better I can in making the next maps

[quiet yacht]

i have unlocked all the terminals in mcc, but lore master isn't unlocking. has anyone else had this issue?

[hollow bobcat]

Ever since they removed husky, the game doesn't feel that great. Few gameboats are fun here and there, but nothing really sparks my interest.

[noble urchin]

how long until season 5?

[wanton root]

Season 4 ends 18th October

[crystal iron]

Wasn’t it ending on october 13th?

[wanton root]

Halowc2023 starts october 13th ends on the 15th

Season 4 ends in arnd 29 days from now

according to the timer on waypoint

which should be on 17th october in PST

[neon vapor]

You could always host custom games if you want husky raid that bad.

[flint ether]

Why didn't we see more extensive use of Scarabs on Reach?

[civic sundial]

The Covenant was more focused on driving humanity off Reach via glassing beams or attacking key sites like ONI's Sword and Castle Bases than they were on using Scarabs to wipe everyone out

[neon vapor]

And also why didn’t carter aim for the back of the scarab instead of just crashing into the front as if it was a “noble” death.

Always found it weird

[civic sundial]

It's possible that weakness wasn't known just yet to the UNSC

[neon vapor]

Yeah I guess that’s true

[limpid pollen]

what if they turned on player collisions

i think thatd be pretty cool

[neon vapor]

Is it on for dealing with enemies?

I know it isn’t for teammates

But I think I’ve had a couple times where I completely go through somebody while doing a sword lunge without killing them

[civic sundial]

Last I remember it's on for enemies

[limpid pollen]

bro i hate ranked arena

never played ranked in this game before, tried it out and lost horribly 4/5 matches 💀

always felt like a gigantic team skill difference

[fathom sandal]

Their skill base ranking system doesn't match based on similar skill for whatever reason. So complete new players can be paired with high tier players on the same team as long as the average skill pairs with the other team and has the side effect of leaning towards giving everyone a 50% win rate. That's why a pro like snipedown only has like a 30% win rate he gets paried with complete noobs and backpacking 3 noobs is pretty much impossible.

[grim citrus]

He was going down anyways and they needed the package to aboard the pillar

[signal ivy]

maybe he wanted to take out the giant gun on the front lol

[tulip tusk]

yea i think if he wasnt already dying/injured he shouldve plowed pelican into scarab but jump out the back of it and roll around and idk survive somehow lol dont like seeing kamikaze spartans 😭

[grim citrus]

Also gotta realize they just didn’t have the time. Also that’s part of war

[modern berry]

If this game has skill based matchmaking why do i get paired with teammates with 0 kills and sometimes negative points, up against a team of players my skill level???
It happens way, way too often...

[fathom sandal]

Infinite's skill based system has a side effect of making most players have a 50% win rate to make the games completely fair so both teams have an equal chance of winning. Mint Blitz posted a couple videos about it. I've said it multiple times if Snipedown a multiple title Halo pro has a win rate of 30%, that system is not right.

So if you are really good, there is a high chance you will get paired with complete noobs

[modern berry]

...Damn.

So the way it works kinda is

lets say each player's "skill level" has to add up to 20

If the game has to, it will make teams like

5 5 5 5
vs
1 1 1 17

[fathom sandal]

Exactly, makes no sense. The 1s are not going to have fun because they wont get any kills and the 17 wont have fun because he has to get all the kills ot win

[modern berry]

Damn.

[fathom sandal]

Mintz Blitz showed some of his in game scoreboards with that too

The 1 to 50 system seemed to work well for Halo imo with its different playlists and it was unique to the series. And the tier system works better for other games like Valorant, Overwatch, CSGO, APEX.
Regardless of how the rankings are set up, at least all of those actually pair similarly skilled players together so if you are a high ranked you will get paired with similarly high ranked players on both teams so the matches are enjoyable.

[grim citrus]

Because sometimes the people you match up with are better than the people you’re matched up with. Either that, or the team lacks teamwork.

[full warren]

how many hydra shots does a banchee take to die?

[lusty wraith]

Tree fiddy

[full warren]

I thoguht it was like 5-6 but I fired two clips into the guy without a break and he just flew around like it was nothing lol, even when the shots was homing

Either I do not understand how the homing works or something got nerfed lol

[agile cobalt]

kinda pisses me off that if someone is on the back of ur wraith about to plant a grnade, you cannot leave the wratith, u just die

great automod btw

[stone nimbus]

i don't recall ever being able to do that in any halo game

[agile cobalt]

you were able to do it before on infinite, must have changed it

but i hate that change, its so BS

[stone nimbus]

mint is cracked btw, had a btb match with him in halo 3 mcc and he carried my team

[red spindle]

good news everyone

infection is popular again bc husky raid is gone

[full warren]

wow how is this guy not banned he literally joins a game and his got a voice repeating with swear words on repeate

then for the next half of the game his just talking to him mum about his STD

then you say something or type to him he will put the voice repeater back on with some insult

Dude got 1000 games with 0.22 KDA

[coarse dagger]

You can report them via Xbox now

[full warren]

he does this every game it seems, his not even playing just afk

I reproted him in game but I am not on xbox so no idea

But how do you even report someone's voice chat, since unless 343 records every match then I doubt the voice chat is kept

[coarse dagger]

You can report voice chat on Xbox, I'm not sure if the same options are available on PC https://support.xbox.com/en-US/help/family-online-safety/enforcement/file-a-complaint

[red spindle]

is there an option to do this from ingame though

[coarse dagger]

Offhand, no idea

I'd have to boot it up to check

[red spindle]

the report system inside Halo is halo's own, right?

so Alt + G then the report function there is Xbox's i assume

for PC

[full warren]

Yeah gotta find him and report him, now as intruitive...

[red spindle]

shouldnt be too hard

[left snow]

Ranked games are matched tightly on player skill, while Social games are matched on team skill - which works well until you relax the spread of skills allowed.

343 need to tighten the skill range in Social games. But that runs the risk of longer waiting times for very good players. So you then need some sort of match composer to help pool said players together into the same play lists.

[full warren]

Yeah found him he had a 0 instead O in his name, I reported him via the xbox social thing

since it was voice chat I do not have much hope since in text its easy to check and ban but dude was insulting people in his broken english which barely sounded like enlgish

[left snow]

Tiers or 1-50 doesn't really matter. They are just different ways of scaling the same MMR.

The advantages of the current tiers are that they "should" match the bell curve of the player base. Each tier is supposed to be a standard deviation from the mean. Which is very cool (you can then estimated numbers and skill difference) - but kind of useless as 343 have never really promoted it.

[grim citrus]

@onyx latch was the legendary ending of CE considered non canon, before or after its release?

[onyx latch]

It was non canon as of Dec 2, 2003 at the absolute latest.

[grim citrus]

Bet

[onyx latch]

That date being the release of Halo First Strike

[grim citrus]

Did you see it as bungie trying to correct their mistake

[onyx latch]

No? Why would I see it like that?

[quick coyote]

Got invited to the confidential flight but can’t find any info about it anywhere?

[fathom sandal]

Tiers or 1 to 50 both would have a distribution, doesn't matter. Its just the 1 to 50 rank system was unique to halo. While the tier list is just another copy and paste from other competitive games which they have done before copying parts of competitors.

[frosty condor]

cause it's confidential

[coarse dagger]

There are no flights right now

[grim citrus]

I felt like they could’ve just labelled it non canon from the jump

But that’s just my opinion

[coarse dagger]

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[quick coyote]

My main screen has the confidential flight and says invited, but none of my friends have it on their menu.

🤷🏻‍♂️

[celest heron]

probly just a glitch. An insider flight would've been publicly announced by now.

[noble urchin]

put BTB heavies in social. i don't want that cancer in the only playlist i play

[brazen rover]

anyone have campaign?

[hollow bobcat]

Infection really needs some new maps.

The generic maps we have now need to be rotated for some cool forge versions.

[red spindle]

the maps are good. more maps would be better.

[north remnant]

Everyone wants more maps

[tawny crow]

I know people don’t think that rebooting halo is a good idea but I think it could work if they only rebooted the stuff that happened post halo 3.
I feel like Halo 4 & 5 (mostly 5) had done nearly irreparable damage to the story.

Plus, I REALLY wanna see them ACTUALLY execute that “hunt the truth” storyline that halo 5 promised us. But the only way that could ever happen is if they retcon everything post halo 4, since the UNSC is now too busy fleeing the banished for there to be any room for a cool conspiracy story

Halo 4 & 5 are the embodiment of awesome concepts with awful execution

Not to mention I just can’t see anything that interesting happening now until the banished are defeated since there’s pretty much only one kind of story that can be told at the moment:
Soldier(s) fighting for survival against the banished while trying to regroup with their other comrades.

Theres so much less room for campaign storytelling with the current state of the halo timeline

Apologies for the mini novel

[red spindle]

the people who wrote the story are long gone.

[civic sundial]

Retconning the games post 4 isn't the way to go

[tawny crow]

That doesn’t change the fact that their impact is still affecting the main story. Halo 5’s ending and infinite’s opening basically wrote the franchise into a corner, creatively speaking

[tawny crow]

Honestly it’d give the writers so much more freedom than what they currently have

[red spindle]

i dont think anyone cares about the plot after halo 3 tbh.

so whether it's retconned or not 🤷‍♂️

[tawny crow]

I certainly do

[red spindle]

just make a new better story if you can

the plot of everything after halo 3 isnt really a plot as much as it is an excuse to continue the franchise

im sure they tried their best but honestly even halo 2 + 3 had meh plots. the original had the best storyline and it was movielike, gave it all the cinematic gravitas that carried the whole game onto stardom.

2 had some good parts but felt strung out, 3 helped carry it forward and give a good conclusion

[tawny crow]

Which is another reason why the stuff after 3 should be retconned and replaced with something different.
Give us some new characters. Hell, you could actually make Osiris interesting if you introduced them in a game that wasn’t forced to be about chief even though he’s barely in it

[red spindle]

the whole thing about brutes etc just overcomplicated the plot

[tawny crow]

“Halo 2 + 3 had meh plots”

There can be no greater heresy

[red spindle]

the idea of having an ancient alien race protecting the rings and then a monstrosity wreaking havoc partly due to them partly due to the system and us discovering it while a huge other race of aliens is destroying everything, that was the bees knees. they went overboard w Gravemind n all that jazz

the flood never needed to have a Gravemind

it was much better off without any speaking char

it was literally terrifying in 1

[civic sundial]

Infinite ends with multiple questions remaining unanswered, they can explain what the Endless are, focus on the fight with the Banished over Zeta Halo or explore what the wider UNSC is doing in the aftermath of the Created's downfall, no doubt many are attempting to take control of the territory the Created have been controlling

[red spindle]

it was the necrids or w.e theyhre called from dead space before dead space even existed

space horror done right

[tawny crow]

Halo 3 has a weaker story than 2 but it still had a story.

Literally every 343 game opens with “okay so skip all that stuff that was happening at the end of the last game, we’re doing this new thing now”

[civic sundial]

Halo 4's story picks up with Chief 4 years after the end of Halo 3, there wasn't much to skip unless you wanted Halo 4 to be a sleeping simulator

[tawny crow]

Can’t wait for halo 7 to open with “Atriox suffered a minor setback and killed himself for no reason before the game started” like they did with cortana

[tawny crow]

Peace with the covenant? Nah they’re back again. Wonder how? You need to buy the books/comics to know why

[civic sundial]

It's not too outlandish for there to be splinter factions

An empire falls, there will be many trying to grab power

[tawny crow]

Again back to what I said about halo 4&5 being cold ideas with terrible execution.

The storm covenant are such a cool concept but they ended up being like the first order from Star Wars. With them supposedly being the remnants of the original big bad and yet somehow magically having 10 times as many resources e.g. the first order having an even bigger Death Star and the storm covenant having a kraken instead of a scarab

I wanna see these things done but done properly.

All the cool ideas in 4&5 were wasted or executed terribly

[red spindle]

the main villain should have stayed as the flood

[tawny crow]

I don’t know about that. Weren’t they basically eradicated at the end of 3?

[civic sundial]

Krakens were made by the Covenant empire and many were lost in the fall of the Covenant. They're also not exactly something that we fight like we do Scarabs. We walk inside a single Kraken after "knocking on the door" so to speak

[red spindle]

thats my point, the flood shouldnt have been wiped out

[civic sundial]

We don't need more Flood outbreaks

[tawny crow]

So why didn’t we see them in the bungie games if they’ve apparently always existed?

[civic sundial]

The same could be said about the Carbine not appearing in CE

Or the Scarab not appearing in CE

[red spindle]

what could have happened was, flood survive and humanity attempts to weaponize (villain), covenant arms themselves w forerunner tech during this, forerunners decide the new cov are the ones to use remaining rings, since flood still remain. a small grp of humans (MC) and cov (Arb) realize that a disaster is coming, but cant stop it in time - most of cov wiped out by flood, whole worlds infected. but cov also unleash a ring that basically wipes out most of UNSC, and you destroy the ones who weaponized the flood. this way you have a lot of paths forward with the story.

[tawny crow]

Pretty sure they only did that because halo 3 was actually supposed to be the final entry to the story, at least chief’s story anyway.

It would’ve been weird to end the franchise with only one of the two main villains being defeated.
Plus, they kinda need to kill the flood to have that parallel ending to CE with the “no, we’re just getting started” and “it’s done”

[red spindle]

you can have that story end by having them save earth / arb's home planet, simultaneously even.

then the next stories are about fighting the new forerunner-armed covs that are sweeping across the galaxy using the rings to wipe out infected planets (many cov)

could have been 3 games more at least

[tawny crow]

Not really. A new gun isn’t exactly comparable to a giant robotic kaiju

As for the scarabs, why not? The covenant are at the height of their power still in halo 2 so it wouldn’t be weird for them to have access to these things

The reason it doesn’t work in halo 5 is because, by the very concept, the storm covenant should have half the resources that the original covenant had. So them having an even bigger scarab that we never saw the original covenant use just breaks the immersion

[red spindle]

with the flood gone, the main thrust of terror in the story is gone.

it's just your typical space sci-fi marine story

the flood was the existential dread element

its a biblical galactic plague that even the most ancient aliens couldnt get rid of

why it ends at 3 with their carefully planned ring detonation doesnt mean it has to end for good

thats why gravemind was a dumb deus ex char

[tawny crow]

So they should introduce something new. Unfortunately, all their ideas so far are either dumb or badly executed, leading to them getting scrapped so they can try it again in the next game e.g. the prometheans, then the endless

[red spindle]

but even keeping gravemind, you could still have flood survive

[civic sundial]

It really doesn't break immersion, no more than the idea of some weapons and vehicles not appearing until later games. If Halo 5 having a large Covenant vehicle is too much of an issue for you that it prevents you from playing, that's not the game's fault, you're being extra nitpicky for the sake of it

[tawny crow]

This is why infinite is disappointing, everyone thought we were going to get to see the flood again since they showed what was supposedly the palace of pain or whatever it’s called

But instead, we just got combat evolved with better graphics and better gameplay

[red spindle]

i mean it's also a consequence of the industry no longer caring for single player stories

[tawny crow]

Not sure how me criticising the worldbuilding is the same as me saying “literally unplayable, literally crying and shaking rn”

Also, aren’t you forgetting that the story is the main reason everyone hates halo 5?

[red spindle]

probably CoD and co's fault, since they made the formula so generic everyone got sick of hearing about fps single player

[civic sundial]

Oh I have issues with Halo 5's story, but your logic doesn't work when you apply it to other Halo games

[red spindle]

in any case, nothing has come close to Halo CE's movie-quality story

[tawny crow]

MW2’s campaign says otherwise

Look at how much content there is about soap & ghost for example.
People very much still play campaign games

[red spindle]

theres a reason halo 2 was one of if not the most hyped game of all time

it had everything to do w Halo CE's success as a story

[tawny crow]

Kinda does actually.
The early games get a bit of a free pass because they were still establishing the universe and its lore.
343 don’t get that excuse because the universe was already long established by the time they were involved.

[red spindle]

writing a story is not simple. 343 were set for failure w their storywriting from the getgo

you cant just take over someone else's brainchild and think it will not metastasize into a cancerous tumor

but also i dont think they ever hired a writing team quite like bungee's

bungee's entire company hinged on the success of halo's story

[tawny crow]

Bungie didn’t do the impossible with the original games, they literally just had good writers

[red spindle]

so a lot of effort and creativity went into it. when 343 stepped in, halo was an established literal market cash cow. their instructions were probably "dont you dare mess up this precious microsoft baby of ours"

[red spindle]

yes they did. you're missing the magic of their success otherwise

[tawny crow]

And they interpreted that as “let’s distort it until it feels like that other popular shooter game that all the kids love right now”
And then they did it again by turning it into titanfall

[civic sundial]

Your logic is "X thing didn't appear in older game, this means it doesn't fit the series". Applying that logic to stuff like the Scarab makes your logic fall flat

[tawny crow]

Dude, good writers aren’t magic, they just know that they’re doing unlike 343’s

[red spindle]

lol tell that to the witcher season 2 and 3 writers who tried to replace season 1's

[tawny crow]

No, my logic is that, if you’re trying to tell me that these new villains are essentially just the remnants/what’s left of the original villains, you cannot then give them even bigger/more powerful weapons than the original villains

Just saying “oh don’t worry, it always existed, you just never saw it” doesn’t work in this sense

If it was the original covenant instead of the storm covenant then it would make sense because you could pass it off as them just not needing to use it until now.

The storm covenant should’ve been much less polished and more desperate than the original covenant. They should’ve had a more beaten down aesthetic to them instead of them having a seemingly infinite amount of tools that we never saw the original covenant use

[ruby knoll]

a marketing campaign 2x the cost of the actual game's development lol

[ruby knoll]

only for 1.5 games
CE was written by Microsoft, 3 was written by committee and had awful writing

[quick coyote]

Thanks

[signal ivy]

the storm covenant is not a thing

[flint ether]

Idk why I couldn't get into Halo Wars 2 even tho I loved Halo Wars 1

Were they any different? It's been a while since I played

[modern berry]

Okay, hot take, but

I really want the M7 SMG from halo 2/3 in Infinite

There's currently only two weapons that classify as SMGs, and its the needler and sentinel beam.

Perhaps it could function like the assault rifle but havea quicker DPS, but requires you to be closer to your target

[misty vale]

Unless it's op, wouldn't that just be a reskin on the sentinel

[modern berry]

An SMG would fire like the assault rifle

[modern berry]

The sentinel beam fires a straight line, its like the lightning gun from quake

The needler, the other only weapon classified as SMG is, well... The needler. Homing needles that can instakill if someone's hit with enough of them

[misty vale]

describe, if there were no bullet noises or visuals, what the difference would be from the prospectrive SMG to the sentinel beam

[open umbra]

The power becomes a type of resource needs to be managed rather than just build the generator for one power to allow higher level units to be built, and the original power gimmick ties to the main base upgrades.

[native tinsel]

Gonna say it, Halo 3 is overrated

But it’s a very good game

Halo 4 is pretty underrated though, it’s got a good campaign

Multiplayer wasn’t bad

[frosty condor]

You saved yourself from a ban right here

kidding

[fathom sandal]

The button pressing in H4 was obnoxious lol. Campaign still was decent, too bad they didn't follow thru in the next games. It would have been more interesting if they went more towards the Forerunners instead of AIs. Multiplayer played like CoD for H4 is was a far cry from H3s or even Reach's multiplayer.