halo-discussion

[stone star]

I wish we had allchat in Infinite

[ruby lake]

ahyuk

[drifting sequoia]

343 really added dead spartan props to forge that have robust color customization. Yet I'm still suck with shaders. Common 343 L

[half basin]

The AR being added to ranked slayer as a starter shouldnt be a thing, i think it should be the br only start

[drifting sequoia]

Oh not only can you change the color. But you can change the material, location of color, and dirtyness!

“millions of customizations!” for your dead spartan prop in forge

[celest heron]

should be sidekick start

[low musk]

Do you think it might be possible for Bot Bootcamp to make its return? I only came back recently, but it seems to be missing from the lineup, unless they decided to get rid of it or is part of a rotating list.

[celest heron]

they temp removed it due to xp farming.

[low musk]

Ah. For the new Career XP thing?

[ruby knoll]

it'll be back

[celest heron]

yes

[low musk]

Well then, hopefully they were able to work out the bugs. I like warming up with Bot Bootcamp before going into the game modes

[ivory glacier]

One flags gotta go. CTF is good enough

[limpid saffron]

When are we getting double xp on halo mcc

I feel like they should do it more often it’s almost impossible to hit max rank

Obv not impossible but yk what I mean

[crystal iron]

I know I sao sad I didn't get to use it while I had the chance lol

[wide trout]

…what?

[radiant sky]

I dont know

That a script from a game

[short heart]

so why post it

im starting to understand microsoft age restriction stuff these little tiny children are pretty wacky

[ruby knoll]

now yuo see...

[lavish jay]

isn't that the moons from dead space

[young glen]

lol

[storm snow]

I can't stand clamber. Maps are designed now so that jumps are just far enough away to require a half second climbing animation.

[analog salmon]

i dont mind them but i think some of them require an annoying level of precision to hit

and some jumps being just out of clamber range is irritating

most players are not going to remember every instance a jump looks clamberable but isn't

i would just avoid ambiguous ledges like that tbh

[storm snow]

It isn't just the "eh I might make that" jumps, it's nearly every jump up a wall or over a gap is designed for you to clamber up. In my opinion it serves literally 0 purpose.

I came across a wall on the new forest map that didn't require clamber and it was such a breath of fresh air

[analog salmon]

quite a few jumps can be done without camber if you time it just right, im okay with that on the basis it creates a skill gap but still lets everyone use the route

one example is scoreboard on live fire

you can crouch jump up

[serene badger]

I dont want everyone to be able to use the path, just the people who focused in learning the proper skill to use the path.

[analog salmon]

depends on the jump ig

the Aquarius jump from dynos to top mid just irritates me

it already requires sprint and clamber so idk why it needs so much precision

[grave ether]

Some jumps should be more accessible. Sometimes it feels like there's not enough paths in a map and it's too open

[serene badger]

Heh yea

[grave ether]

I do miss halo 5s clamber. It would be nice to hold the button to clamber or just tap to not. Auto clamber has killed me a few times when I had no intention of clambering I just moved a little bit too far forward and got trapped in an animation

[onyx pendant]

All you have to do is just look up, doesn’t require much precision at all

[analog salmon]

in the heat of the moment i fumble it a fair bit

[onyx pendant]

Just gotta remember to look up

Or else it can disappoint you lol

[analog salmon]

i just think that one should be an easy jump without much thought tbh

[serene badger]

You know, with the first Halo multiplayer maps, it was what it was. You just played them and have fun. Are we being too picky now??? 6 games later?

[analog salmon]

its too important given how few options their are to cross the map in an unpredictable way

still one of my fav maps regardless though

[crystal iron]

Iv notice their are spots that don't require this as well, some do some don't, but the clamber speed should be faster.

[analog salmon]

there's a guy who sloths his way around the map in ranked to show something

what he's showing im not sure

but worth watching

probs shows how unnecessary jumping and clambering can be in a lot of situations

[vapid marten]

Nothing has really changed apart from availability in communication.

We weren't aware of people who disliked games and whatever, and for what reasons, just like you played some games and didn't like them.
The internet has just given everyone a megaphone to voice their opinions to anyone fortunate / unfortunate enough to see/hear it.

[crystal iron]

It's one of those things you use when the opportunity presents itself. Iv used clamber so many times in the new forest map to basically outwit someone thinking I'm going to be taking 1 route and end up popping up behind him.

[vapid marten]

On the topic of clamber, I don't see it as anything else than a slightly higher jump height with a "second chance" built in. There's really nothing you can do with clamber that you couldn't do without as long as the maps were designed for it.

[crystal iron]

The one aspect of Clamber that I like is it does make it more difficult to simply hold on to one spot in the map, like unless your team is virtually bad, you can usually slip past the defense of another team trying to do the whole let's grab power weapon and camp.tbis corner

[crystal iron]

Clamber in COD is pretty.nice, I would use it on that border town map like crazy, be sitting on top of the green bus with my Napalm Shotgun just stalking.

Iv used clamber to get into spots and drop down on people in Halo, it's possibly the most exciting thing to do like just drop out from some high point and the other guy just thinks you popped out of the wall on him

... I'm just hoping Season 4 is enough to hold me off until Sept 1st.

Since it's already confirmed mod support for Starfeild I'ma be hoping that Modders can make some Halo themed mods for Starfeild.

[serene badger]

Ah, that makes me feel better. 😁
As i was going to make a statement about the change between 5 and Infinite on how you sprint to slid to jump. And then i thought, "maybe i am being picky."

Like most of y'all, i played Infinite for awhile, then went back to 5 for a bit, and imo, the change between movements seems more fluid in 5. But that might just be my preference.

[onyx latch]

Halo 5 had auto clamber?

As in, permanently on auto clamber

[analog salmon]

speaking of movement im not sure i like how much harder curb slides have become lol

before they seemed pretty much accessible to everyone but very unpredictable if you dont master them

now they just seem super hard to do at all

[grave ether]

I'm saying I don't want auto clamber

[analog salmon]

i use to consistently hit a ramp slide from pit spawn towards OS and now its 50/50

was such a nice slide cause it meant getting OS

[grave ether]

Shoot I miss the OG sliding Infinite had on release, that was fun

[warped relic]

Hey does anybody know a good halo helmet store that doesn't charge over 120$?

helloooooooo

nevermind.

[analog salmon]

you expected a response to that question in under a minute

if nobody has any suggestions i would try a halo cosplay discord or subreddit

and be a bit more patience 😄

[next apex]

Where is the shop thread I forgot which forum it's on lol

[rotund bluff]

So is account level factored in with SBMM?

Because I swear I’m going up against people who are a lot higher level then me

[grave ether]

Honestly, that sounds about right for a decent helmet. Anything much less and the quality drops very quickly

[grave ether]

Talking about the new career ranks? That's solely based on how much XP you earn and how long you play. Doesn't mean anything more or say anything about skill/ability

[eternal lion]

Why is perfect circle 500 credits when it was 150 in february and 300 initially ?

[sullen anvil]

Btb unlimited escalation is back??

[rotund bluff]

Call me stupid but I feel level should be factored in for SBMM. Someone who is higher level has more knowledge of the game and will statistically be better then someone at a lower career level

[magic night]

There have been pretty extensive analyses into skill in games like Halo. Ultimately, playtime is not a good indicator of skill.

If you want a deep dive into this stuff, you can read on the matchmaking system here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/uploads/prod/2018/03/trueskill2.pdf

[civic sluice]

There also the issue of where exactly they got their level. Like would it be fair for a gold brigadier to be put in a high skill ranked lobby just because they like infection, a mode with very little transferable skills?

Not to mention if when they finally add pve that can also contribute to career rank.

[analog salmon]

lowering MMR based on playtime would just make a certain group of players smurf

[grave ether]

It's not stupid to think that, and I would tend to agree with you, if it wasn't a game that's been out for a year and a half with no previous gameplay being factored into your career level

[rotund bluff]

True

I dunno, It just feels like most matchs end in one team steamrolling the other

[grave ether]

It do be like that sometimes

[serene badger]

Yup

[zenith holly]

I have been enjoying infection but I feel like some things would need to be removed like the rocket launcher and the pick up camo

[grave ether]

Yeah... That doesn't seem right

[crystal iron]

The Turbo slide was fun, granted sometimes I ended up in some random wall cus I went too far lol

[vapid marten]

The thing is, all that is only down to map design, there are areas inaccesible even with clamber in the game. There were areas accessible in previous games that didn't have clamber because that was how the maps were designed, and they take the mechanics into account when designing maps.

And I'm not trying to rain on your parade, using mechanics is supposed to be fun, and as long as you find it entertaining that's really good, keep on enjoying it.

[snow ermine]

what are your opinions on the new plaza remake?

[coarse dagger]

Looks incredible, can't believe it's a Forge build. Just wild

[snow ermine]

agreed it looks really good, but i cant lie i personally cannot stand playing on it

[wide trout]

At this point they should just release Faber wholesale honestly

[crystal iron]

Maybe those areas are design to be accessible with pick up abilities like the grapplehook or the boosters

[rugged quartz]

In the blog they talked about not wanting to hit the uncanny valley. But it hits it for me.

The different scale and weapons and jumps

I want to go grab lightrifle, also the colours make it uncanny.

[limpid saffron]

@proven breach sorry to bother you but when’s double xp coming to mcc next?

[fallen flame]

pretty sure you can't tag 343 devs

[signal ivy]

correct, do not tag 343 folks

[olive brook]

crazy how many people leave matches on mcc

[young glen]

crazy how many people leave matches on [insert game here]

Seriously though, playing Overwatch 2 has made me realise how much worse quitting could be in Infinite if the penalty was less severe.

[ruby knoll]

I can get occasionally needing to bounce. Life happens. But it seems like people just ragequit any match the second it isn't going well for them

[grave ether]

Well yeah, do you think they could learn anything about gameplay and strategy by staying in a match like that?

[inland lance]

my headcannon is that chief listens to random podcasts in his mjolnir while on missions

[serene badger]

What podcasts?
Like StarTalk, or more on diplomatic relations?

[inland lance]

idk like whatever topic interests him

[serene badger]

🤔 does sound accurate. Maybe also along the line of radio chatter.

[inland lance]

whatever the halo equivalent of hiddenxperia would be

[serene badger]

Ha. Interesting indeed.

[crystal iron]

Problem is people go into tank and try to play like it's social , no mic,no teamwork. In social they can solo win so they play that way in ranked

[crystal iron]

Perhaps the Kevinkoolz of Halo as well the chief does like all the details

[serene badger]

Now i need this to pop up in a future book of what he would listen to.

[crystal iron]

You are now lore cannon

[serene badger]

I would listen to the Infinite propaganda tower channel.

[inland lance]

one could imagine chief listening to like spacedock's breakdowns of various sci-fi vehicles

[serene badger]

Totally something practical like that.

Keeping fresh with all the new weapons and vehicles.

[crystal iron]

But back to the ranked Thing, I did try ranked a few times but had a mix was communicating, and one dude was always just try to solo it, and he wrote in the chat box, or whatever that's called in the upper right , to stop talking I was distracting him... Meanwhile I'm letting him know there is three around the corner,... He proceeds to try to solo them and he died nearly instantly...

I was trying to tell him to back up wait till we respawn and we can push together but apperantly that's not a good strategy, as he was a stated he is better off solo than a bad team...

He died the most and ended up leaving early

I think the rage quitters usually just get in their own ego alot

So now I definitely just stick to social mostly Fiesta, BTB or like wolf.

Well I'll be off here for a bit still getting the house ready for this weekend. And need to put away laundry basket #30 lol

[serene badger]

I hear what your saying, and it is frustrating at times.
Good luck with the laundry.

[sullen anvil]

Social slayer might as well just be called Escalation slayer that’s all I’m getting whyyyy I wanna play mini slayer

[crystal iron]

Laundry is put away, however as I put away 3 hampers another one began to fill up... It never ends

[full warren]

I hate that stupid fusion coil mode lol

I know its supposed to be fun mode but it really is not haha

[crystal iron]

I like this fusion coil mode. Though amount of kills to win should be decreased because matches are too long sometimes

[floral mantle]

The infection looks are absolutely insane bro

[smoky wave]

https://twitter.com/halosupport/status/1673822351270748160?s=46&t=2NDoBbr3K_3_cF6DG0X6NA

Halo Support (@HaloSupport)

The Perfect Circle Armor Effect was incorrectly listed at 500 Credits in today's #HaloInfinite Shop update. Its price has been updated to 150 Credits (50% off its full price of 300 Credits). Players who purchased it for 500 Credits today have been refunded 350 Credits. (1/2)

Twitter · Jun 27, 2023, 10:35 PM

https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1673822352726167553

Halo Support (@HaloSupport)

The #HaloInfinite team also identified that, prior to today's Shop update, the Perfect Circle Armor Effect's full price was incorrectly listed in the Armor Hall as 500 Credits. Players who purchased this Armor Effect via the Armor Hall menu have received 200 Credits back. (2/2)

Twitter · Jun 27, 2023, 10:35 PM

[stoic canopy]

I just got Mini Slayer in Social for the first time

What kinda Tom & Jerry nonsense was that?!

[signal ivy]

a mode from Halo 4. The best Halo gamemode ever

[dusk thunder]

Halo Infinite’s inability to accurately register POINT BLANK hammer strikes drives me insane

Consistently inconsistent

It’s legitimately maddening

[karmic oriole]

Anyone else experienced this glitch with the ranking up menu? Whenever it pops up after your challenges and you press "B" it freezes the screen on your rank level and I can't press anything have to restart when it happens

[full warren]

once again 4 man teams runing the game, people see 4 man team and they just insta quit

lol the game sure do have some messed up mid game starts, puts me in a 125ping 25-12 slayer game, I insta quit that stupid match

[crystal iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/_KUW2I8iz2Q?feature=share4

This video is actually a really good take on Halo,

Like the age feels dead in terms of social aspects.

It's got and keep s getting content, it has a sustainable Playerbase,

But for the most part no one really talks anymore, of it wasnt for spartan chatter the audio would be almost nothing.

I don't know , like I know it won't happen but I feel like Instead of after matches getting sent back to the menu, there should be a post match lobby where players can choose to stay or leave. Maybe talk some smack to each other

[full warren]

not ranked or people wont quit lol, it was social but it was prertty unfun to have people constantly quitting on you

[devout kite]

You most likely got an America server if you’re getting 125 ping

[crystal iron]

My go to is Grab sticky grenade and kamikaze run lol I may lose but it's going to be funny

[full warren]

I know I did which is fine but the game was 25-12

wtf does it think I can do

That somehow I can get 37 kills in half the time of a game to win it for these people that were already lossing that badly

[crystal iron]

I kinda wish we could cook off the frags lol the amount of deaths from the graves if get would be world breakingn

[full warren]

I mean throwing at the ground is almost cooking the granade the quicker it bounch the quicker it goes off

[crystal iron]

Bro at that point just kamikaze run it.

[full warren]

I know the algro of the match making, it will put someone in if its below 25 kills or half way into the game, but that is stupid because no one is salvaging a game that has reached 25 kills

[full warren]

That is waste of my time lol I can just quit

its a lost game anyway

[crystal iron]

Eh I see it as an opportunity to troll

[full warren]

I sometimes stay to just warm up but I literally spawn and got headshot with a sniper, I was definitely not staying in that game

[crystal iron]

I like to just wait and send people off the map.. but I hardly if ever play rank, unless one of friends drags me into it, I have pretty much stayed unranked since S2

[full warren]

I do my 5 matches and that is it

It always put me in diamond and I am happy with that

Not like you get any rewards lol

just a emblem

[crystal iron]

Honestly if I'm unmatched how does it determine where to put me

I mean unranked

[full warren]

just because you are unmatched does not mean you have no csr

it just use your social game csr

, everyone has one and every game is made based on it

[crystal iron]

The first time I tried ranked I purposely went out of my way to get the lowest rank possible

[full warren]

lol I mean unless you have a new account you wont do much

[crystal iron]

I wanted that Bronze.

I went one game no kills 25 deaths lol

Not even an assist

[full warren]

Good thing you will never be in one of my games 😄 😄 ;D

here we go again, now the game wont find me a game anymore... face 4 man onyx stack in social slayer, then put into a lost game, and now wait 5 mins and no game, sometimes I wonder why I bother

[crystal iron]

Probably not I haven't touched rank in forever, unless your playing Fiesta we probably will never play together

[left snow]

This is the frustrating bit. And kind of sums up the Halo community and their poor understanding (and 343's communication) of the game.

The 4 stack is hit with an MMR weighting. The other team is essentially skilled up to take them on.

It's literally a 50:50 game until some -yoink- chickens out.

[crystal iron]

Hey has there been any update on when we may get any PVE in MP

[tepid latch]

i think forge AI was talked about being in season 5? or just aiming for then

no idea about actual PvE content, but AI in forge would allow for custom PvE experiences

[full warren]

you say this but since social has looser mmr, I had a look and the team were definitely not fair lol, its not like anyone is new, these are many games and onyx players so i think their mmr is pretty accurate on the 4 man stack team and my team was difinitely not close

I know there is no fix but I still want to complain about it, just remove the open to 4 man stack I know 343 wont do it but whatever

[grave ether]

If they did, you may have even longer wait times in your region. Friends like grouping up together to play and many times they will have a range of skill levels in their party

[radiant nest]

Where can i go to ask questions about Halo infinite Forge mode more specifically pre fab questions?

[crystal iron]

Hey haven't asked, are you thinking about playing Starfeild, it's going to be free on gamepass

[grave ether]

To #general-chat AWAY!!!

[light viper]

Did they get rid of splitscreen for ranked?

[full warren]

I rarely play against 4 man its like 1 in 10 or 15 matches but I hate it, it wont increase amtch making much anyway

a few seconds at most

And you can ask anyone, no one want to paly vs 4 man stacks, the only people who do are people in the 4 man stacks lol, I bet they go complaining about other 4 man stacks when they are solo, its just not fun, other games know this and already implemented stuff like this to stop a full team

[ivory glacier]

The event is giving out the same armor coating that’s already in the battle pass 🤦‍♂️

[coarse dagger]

I don't see Highlit Steel in the Battle Pass anywhere

[ivory glacier]

My mistake

[signal ivy]

it was last weeks capstone reward for a different core

[modern juniper]

Plaza plays great imo but man is it so plain and boring to look at

At least the Pit had some color to it 😅

[ivory glacier]

Is that the other map in the event playlist? I know forest but I didn’t know the name of the other map

It’s just the 2 maps in the playlist?

[modern juniper]

Yeah it’s Forest and Plaza from Halo 5 - I don’t remember its name in this game

I think next week it’s supposed to be only the new BTB map

[ivory glacier]

I wish they would have the names of the maps when you load into a game. I’m still not sure what the names are of some of the newer maps are

[modern juniper]

Lmao it used to but when they started adding Forge maps the names got all wonky, they removed em and haven’t put em back since. You can see the map name in the post game summary screen if you remember to check though

[ivory glacier]

Oh nice. I didn’t know that. Thanks

[modern juniper]

didn’t mean to super that lmao, mobile probs

[left snow]

Just managed to play through a few games for the first time in Season 4. The two new maps are awesome. I agree that the Plaza remake could do with a splash of colour - but it looks great for what it is (Forge is amazing) - and most importantly, is fun to play.

[ivory glacier]

Game still crashing I see

[noble urchin]

how would y'all feel about weekly ultimate rewards showing up in the shop sometime after the week they were earnable?

[wanton root]

don't think they should, makes it feel abit worse to know that someone can just purchase it for a few measly dollars while you had to grind it out

however if you think about it conversely, through your grind, you earned the amount of credits for thhat item

instead of using real life money

[crystal iron]

I just made a post about it, but hopefully there is someone from 343 here to read this...

Can we have the chest attachment TAC knife moved to the other side of our Spartans chest, it currently covers up our Emblems. I'm going for a Head Hunter Vibe and want the emblem showing as well.

[ruby knoll]

nah. What I do want to see is them doubling up the rewards and letting you chose between a new one or an old one

[wide trout]

seconded, or at least make the emblem visible on another part of the armour piece

[crystal iron]

I would like that, Also the option to archive the rewards, somif you miss it, you can work towards it... Kinda Like the battle pass, so let's say you taken omg break from Halo, aka when Starfeild drops, now you come back and you have like 10 weekly rewards archived and you can swap out which one you want to work towards.

[crystal iron]

For real, but I think it would be easier to just move the knife to the other side, at least I'd assume it would be.

[wide trout]

the knife is on the side it’s on for a reason

unless your spartan is left handed, makes the most sense for it to be there

[crystal iron]

I'm ambidextrous so I can take souls with either hand

Well today was extremely productive, I unlocked the two shoulders I wanted from the battlepass,

I have gotten up to Bronze rank Captain grade 2 - and finally put all the laundry away... And the house almost purely spotless for this weekend .where it will most likely bet dirty again

[limpid saffron]

Can pc players play with Xbox players for campaign on mcc?

[crystal iron]

No

Well for halo 3 and odst yes

[tepid latch]

they're working on it for the other games, but MCC is on a ready when its ready time frame now since the team is mostly on Infinite now

[limpid saffron]

Oh so Xbox and pc can’t play campaign together coop?

[tepid latch]

3 and ODST yes, the rest of the games no

[limpid saffron]

Oh h3 u can?

I’m trying to find a squad to do mcc h3 legendary in under 3 hours

I can’t find anyone

[tepid latch]

nothing in the LFG channels here?

[limpid saffron]

Nah it’s dead sadly 😦 I wanna get the title for multiplayer and the achievement aswell

I don’t feel like doing solo 3 or 4 man it would be easier to speed run / run through it

[tepid latch]

Damn, sorry to hear! i dont think the discord is too active during these hours unfortunately

[limpid saffron]

The steam summer sale comes in 2 days u think mcc will make it double xp?

For the summer sale

Have they ever done it in the past

[tepid latch]

possibly 👀 i dont know too much about what goes on with MCC at this point lol, I used to play it when they released each game, but got off it after Infinite released

just keep up to date on twitter, id say thats the place to be for halo news

[limpid saffron]

Fasho

[coarse vale]

Are there ever gonna be halo trading cards?

I heard that upper deck might be making some

Apparently people are saying august 25th?

I can’t tell if these are just rumors

[tepid latch]

never heard about something like that @coarse vale but i had a look on google and it seems to be a thing, doesnt look like a game or anything, just regular ol trading cards

[coarse vale]

Still a win, wanted to make sure it wasn’t a complete myth

Since the sites weren’t the most reliable

[tepid latch]

Oh, idk what sites are reliable for Trading Cards lol, worth just keeping an ear out, im sure the Halo Socials will announce it too when they're ready

doesnt seem like something with the most effort put in, looks like a lot of the avatars that you could use for MCC that are just put onto cards

[novel basalt]

Reminds me of how Pokemon is gravitating towards NFTs.

[tepid latch]

they are?

[novel basalt]

Yeah, they're looking for someone with experience in NFTs.

If Halo ever boards the NFT train, I'm out.

[tepid latch]

same lmao

[novel basalt]

Ew, now I hate eSports even more. 🤮 https://www.esports.net/crypto/pokemon-nft/

[tepid latch]

Just went 35/8 in esc slayer, man that was so fun!

Actually love one flag on Forest, what an awesome match

[crystal iron]

I got one guy on that mode who ran the flag from half way all the way back to the flag spawn before dying

Like from the sword spawn to their flag spawn

[stone star]

the 2A exchange cosmetics have like, never returned since they appeared

[crystal iron]

That’s the problem with exchange. It’s just terrible system. They should change it into some catalogue of items instead of rotating store

[tepid latch]

Last i looked at the Exchange they only had a couple items in there, gee its been so long since i've opened up MCC, the exchange is way bigger now!

[smoky wave]

Mmm I think being tiny with this armor effect does not work well

[steep mantle]

Guys a quick question. Since we got now infection in Infinite, is it possible to make an infection map by ourselves?
I've been thinking to make infection maps, but I'm unsure if there is a way to make in Forge.

[crystal iron]

Why wouldn’t it be? You can make a map for any game mode you want

[livid fable]

yes. unfortunately, you still can't shut iratus up in forge

that said, there were some very interesting infection modes built on scripts before official infection came out.

you might give those a look over.

[steep mantle]

So wheres the settings for it in forge or how it works? cause I don't seem to see settings start with infection.

[wanton root]

for gamemode settings, you're supposed to configure them in the custom games menu

[steep mantle]

I see every game mode but except infection not.

[wanton root]

in gamemodes? or is it in the file browser inside the forge maps?

[steep mantle]

In the custom games I guess, cause in forge we technically cannot pre setup anything.

[wanton root]

https://www.halowaypoint.com/halo-infinite/ugc/modes/43eba883-7984-420a-90ee-4d64f4df55d6
Infection gamemode here

[steep mantle]

Is it can be found in the custom game menu somewhere or is like a Prehab?

[wanton root]

you're talking about the iratus infection gamemode that's currently in playlist rotation no?

https://www.halowaypoint.com/halo-infinite/ugc/prefabs/6402cf2f-69a0-4d77-99b9-017380ae589d
There's also this, helps set your map up for infection

[vapid marten]

In any game there are two possibilities for accessible areas in maps:

A: It's by design, meant for the player with whatever mechanic is available.
B: It's unintentional and will be fixed.

[crystal iron]

So the Abilities like the grapple hook and Thrusters would fall under A.

[olive brook]

is that cheaters changing their “gamertags” to get people false banned on mcc fixed

haven’t heard anyone talk about it for a while

[next shard]

3 games of heavies in a row and all 3 resulted in spawn killing all the way to the end. so frustrating

[glacial tartan]

Cheaters can still spoof tags. There's no proof that spoofing is what caused those bans. Based on the users who were banned it seems more like some automated rule in MCCs ban system broke.

[olive brook]

oh damn

[vapid marten]

Exactly

[storm snow]

Man it doesn't matter how well I do on my placement matches I am always put in gold 5 or 6.

[misty vale]

placement matches in F2P games are to gatekeep smurfs, not change established ranks

[next shard]

whats with all the dropouts today? every game one team is way shorthanded

[serene furnace]

Don't be too intimidated by LASO
Halo Reach and Halo 4 are very manageable on your own

[crystal iron]

Just saw. Tweet from some.Arrash guy he showed the Halo helmet affect went from 350 credits at launch, 150credits 4 months ago, and 500 but is on sale, than it got fixed to 150credits again.

To be fair though the Halo Infinite store has.never really had a solid consistent pricing model for the non HCS stuff

[crystal iron]

HALO Infinite is pretty easy as well if you have at least two other players and the rank gun

[ruby knoll]

to be clear that specific instance was a mistake, but i can agree that the pricing seems inconsistent

[crystal iron]

I can only theory that once they input the ability to buy things individually directly from bundles and cross core everything we might start to see a finalized pricing model.

But until Then, it's probably best to expect to essentially see something you paid 300 credits for being sold for lesser or more

[storm snow]

3 points away from platinum 1. Guessing my next game will be against a 4 stack of diamonds

[celest heron]

I was one point away and lost, but won the game after that.

[serene furnace]

Fragmentation is basically a remake of Blood Gulch

But with a giant mountain at the center and unconviently placed obstacles that give vehicles a hard time to move around

[rugged quartz]

Eh not really..

[devout kite]

Is it me or it’s funny to watch people be a try hard sweat in casual lol

[vapid marten]

here we go again, onyxes onyxes onyxes

[devout kite]

I’m not talking about onyx players but in general

[vapid marten]

Oh sorry, didn't respond to you. Merely an observation about what I'm facing, an issue I've had for a long time with Infinite

I'm far from a good player and the game insist to put Onyx players against me, and my team mates,,, not up to those standards

[rugged quartz]

I'm back to being a Cadet.

[ancient sun]

So I guess MS didn't provide the budget to outsource again?
https://twitter.com/axisstudiosgrp/status/1674084031523168258?t=R23C8SFaQD9Zg46Z-7Q3Tw&s=19

Axis Studios (@axisstudiosgrp)

We revisited the Halo franchise with director Stu Aitkin & client #343Industries to create the intro cinematic for Halo: Infinite Season Three. The piece follows banished AI, Iratus, as he pulls new Spartan hero Dinh into a waking nightmare. https://t.co/tZkrWDZqo1

#halo #343

Twitter · Jun 28, 2023, 3:55 PM

[storm snow]

Happens to me all the time. I put in a ticket about team balancing (outside of ranked) and was told that anyone can be on any team

[vapid marten]

I was told they don't handle that kind of feedback and "got sent here" to provide feedback

weeo, moore onyx

[onyx latch]

I swear, they love just running right to Halo for the first thing to shoot in the ankle with a shotgun.

[storm snow]

Just went 21-11 and lost 50-43. My teammates went 9-13, 7-9, and 6-18. I don't get it.

[onyx latch]

It's like that meme comic where the guy runs up and shoots the hostage in the head

[smoky wave]

For cinematic cutscenes I can understand not doing every single season because it's expensive but for in-game cutscenes being cut off and having nothing for this season is bad

I get their reasoning but after that the narrative it was getting interesting and then just not doing anymore it makes me kinda sad

[ancient sun]

Funny timing with that company putting this tweet out

[deft bloom]

Actively shrinking staff it makes sense to cut non essentials like multiplayer cutscenes when the game has a myriad of other issues or lacking areas

[onyx latch]

It was most of what was keeping me engaged because I have no such issues.

I've had the game work fine on four seperate devices of different specifications, wired and unwired connections, in storms and in the middle east and even the boonies of Michigan and Holiday Inn wifi.

Always decently stable with minimal issues that weren't fixable on my end.

Buuuut I was mostly just in it for the MP story.

[deft bloom]

I mean mp cutscenes are atypical, and even when they existed they were made infrequently hard to believe that’s anyones main reason for sticking but each their own

[floral meteor]

i just wish patches were released more frequently. waiting months for them to fix a handful of bugs make its discouraging to play sometimes.

[onyx latch]

343i throwing away great ideas because people don't get what they're doing and would rather have nothing than something is nothing new.

[deft bloom]

I don’t think people mind new things but if the base game has had desync and saved settings issues for months while the shop updates flawlessly week after week it’s not the fault of people who complain

[onyx latch]

lol

Lmao even

[deft bloom]

Cutscenes are nice but I’d rather have things that have existed in previous halo titles at release that were left out in infinite like firefight, war zone, grifball, and infection until just now

[magic night]

shop updates flawlessly week after week
This old talking point again. Its not even true, but people will believe whatever they want.

[deft bloom]

How’s it not true

[magic night]

The shop has had issues in the past. Had one just yesterday. It's also implies that they're putting more resources into making the shop work than into other areas of the game, which is not how it works.

[deft bloom]

Even then these issues get fixed while desync and settings just aren’t

[magic night]

Might just be because some issues are inherently more difficult to fix.

[onyx latch]

One's a way freaking easier problem to fix. You also don't throw your shop team at problems they can't fix.

[magic night]

So they need more time to track down the cause and implement a solution.

[coarse dagger]

Desync and settings issues are bigger beasts that a store update, they've also been discussed a few times with regards to complexity

[onyx latch]

Impossible.

Clearly focusing on fixing any problem they can, and happening to fix easier problems first, is clearly a sign of bias.

[magic night]

And, believe it or not, different people work on different areas of the game. The guys working on the shop probably aren't the same ones working on cutscenes who probably aren't the same guys working on networking.

[onyx latch]

There's this asinine assertion that people cling to like drowning rats on floating debris that all the issues are fixable in the same length of time and with the same amount of effort as the store.

[floral meteor]

A large amount of work was also contracted out to freelancers.

[magic night]

That's not uncommon in the games industry

[coarse dagger]

That's pretty much every modern game

[floral meteor]

Yes

Ive seen people on twitter acting like its the laziest and most scummy thing ever

but its really not uncommon

[coarse dagger]

And before it's brought up. Contractors do not automatically equal crap quality work

Can also lead to FTE (like me, who started as a contractor and got FTE [not for 343])

[magic night]

Same

[deft bloom]

I think the defense that separate teams and one thing being tougher to tackle is as vague as a defense as the “343 is lazy” accusation. Nobody except them knows how difficult it is. Regardless the issue still exists after months on end, therefore players have every right to complain about (or defend) it 🤷‍♂️

But abandoning cutscenes does indicate a shifting of priorities

[onyx latch]

Can't say you could ever get me to agree with it being a good one.

[coarse dagger]

It's absolutely fair to complain about it, totally get how frustrating it is. It's just jot always as easy or straight forward as throwing a patch out - that's software development for you and it absolutely sucks lol.

I've got bug tickets sitting that are months old, but I can't fix them because of issues with the tools I'm using. Fixing would require an massive upgrade and take weeks of planning and is way above my pay grade to sort

[magic night]

Sure. You can complain that an issue exists and you have every right to do so. But you're the one who equated two separate issues to each other. We just pointed out that there are likely reasons for it and that the two issues probably are not equivalent.

[deft bloom]

I don’t think any fault lies with devs, more so the indication of leadership prioritizing the money making aspect of the game - whether it just seems like it or actually is. 343 leadership, or more likely Microsoft, should’ve allocated proper resources to adequately address core gameplay issues. And while simple tasks like store updates are fixed quickly issues that affect the actual user experience are only addressed by promises

And even then blaming 343 leaders is difficult when they were just changed lol

And though teams are separate when social media posts a new skin while peoples settings don’t save is just tone deaf

[magic night]

So would your solution be that everybody drop everything once an issue comes up until that issue is solved. So in the case of Season 3's settings reset issue, all the artists, level designers, community team, gameplay programmers on other teams, etc. just stop what they're doing until the team responsible for settings manages to find and fix the bug?

That's something that you can't properly predict how long it'll take.

[deft bloom]

I think the solution is more devs would need to be hired, and if more devs aren’t needed then certain teams should borrow members of others. Unless, as I’m not a developer, it’s impossible for an individual of one team to help another

But to your point, I think it’s fine if social media focuses on things other then shop items while core issues are prevalent? Appearances do matter

[onyx latch]

It's honestly a worse look to post every day 'Yeah we're still having this bug'

That's just stabbing yourself in the kidneys, over and over.

You can't obsessively focus on the negative and maintain positivity.

[magic night]

Most developer jobs are highly specialized. An audio engineer won't be working on art. A level designer won't be working on configuration. And hiring more people is usually a solution. It takes months to onboard someone to familiarize themselves with tools and code they'll be working on. It won't help solve any problems in the short term.

[deft bloom]

Wasn’t my suggestion, but posting a new buyable skin while people can’t save their settings is also stabbing yourself

[magic night]

What should they post about then?

If not the new content that players can enjoy,?

[onyx latch]

I'd rather someone else stab me in the hand than deliver unto myself a consistent mortal wound.

[magic night]

And just because some people are facing an issue, why does that have to stop them from sending out communications to all players?

[coarse dagger]

Can't just cease all marketing while a bug is present. Absolutely no company out there does that

[onyx latch]

Those that do anything even close to that are usually smaller companies that have a dedicated and borderline rabid fanbase.

And even then it's rarely a full stop.

[magic night]

Just about every multiplayer game, and many non-multiplayer game, has a number of users being affected by bugs, and some of them that stop people from playing outright. You can see as much if you dig into Steam forums, Twitter comments, etc, but those games don't stop communication because of that.

[deft bloom]

Getting into issues beyond one studio with that, but just because the rest do it doesn’t mean halo has to. Also I’m just giving my opinion as one person, which I see reflected on tons of others who stopped playing. There’s a reason(s) the population dropped off so much, why do you all think that is

[onyx latch]

Better competition and Halo attempting to operate on an older play model that is no longer as popular and is far more niche than it used to be.

It comprimised in the wrong ways.

[magic night]

From most of the people I know, they play other games and Infinite has been slow to deliver new content to keep them excited. Nobody I know personally stopped playing because of bugs.

[onyx latch]

That as well.

[deft bloom]

So solution?

[onyx latch]

Nothing Halo "fans" would like and nothing Microsoft would allow.

Not that the former is pleasable and not that the other is particularly inclined to sprint headlong towards.

[magic night]

343 would need to deliver more content. Something they've been doing lately with shorter seasons and more frequent events.

The other part is delivering content that would entice people away from the games they're already playing, which is a lot more tricky.

[coarse dagger]

S3 was, the shifting start for turning Infinite around. Next few seasons will only get better

[onyx latch]

Scrapping the seasonal narrative seems like a step backwards to me.

[deft bloom]

Which kinda just goes back to my original point of cutscenes being abandoned to shift priorities on delivering new gameplay content (hopefully)

[onyx latch]

If it's for something as stupid as adding back assassination animations I'm going to pop a fuse.

[magic night]

For some people, narrative events are more important motivators than new gameplay content.

[onyx latch]

I mean my opinion matters less because I like the game enough to stick around even minus that.

But I'm damn well going to voice how dumb of an idea I think it is when there's no direct and immediate showcasing of the benefits.

Just telling me "Yeah we're dropping it to work on things" is infuriatingly vague attempt at placation in the face of gutting something I was legitimately invested in.

[light viper]

Can anybody explain why I'm getting put in a 2v4 or 3v4 EVERY SINGLE ranked match?

I thought it was bad luck but its 11 matches in a row now

[grave ether]

I find it frustrating because all of the cut scenes have been focused on setting up iratus and him escaping and infection coming.
Now that we have the big event/game mode finally here that so many people have been waiting for; there's no more narrative to go with the big season drop

[devout kite]

Ik it’s sad that they decided to not do cut scenes anymore for the narrative events

[onyx latch]

Straight up the single worst possible timing for when they could have dropped it tbh

[devout kite]

I mean it takes time and resources away

[onyx latch]

And?

I was invested in what those resources were being used on, not what they're being used on now.

[ruby knoll]

I have to wonder what they even shift those resources to

Like ah yes, the scriptwriters

[onyx latch]

Especially considering we've never even had any hint of what those resources got directed to.

They could've gone towards something cool, like new cutscenes for a continuation on the big story; Or something as inconsequential as re-adding assassinations.

[ruby knoll]

It better not be something utterly useless like assassinations. Like i can see maybe artists and modellers moved to creating gameplay assets

[onyx latch]

Or worse, stripped off to work on Starfield.

As some rumors say.

[ruby knoll]

Rancid

Ok back to work

Remember folks: i am always right

[mortal egret]

Legendary Anniversary Achievement, is it possible to get with skulls? i was told bandanna works with scarab to get it but also told it wasn't its non-scoring and tbh i just want that legendary achivement.

[crystal iron]

They pulled a Santa Clarita diet on us

[low musk]

I was kinda hoping to see Bot Bootcamp back, but it is what it is

[crystal iron]

I doubt that, that game seems.to be in the finished touches state, don't think 343 would pull Narrative event cutscenes assets just to close up shop elsewhere.
Maybe they are put to help with cross core stuff

[analog salmon]

I forget how annoying it is you can’t change the volume of ping sounds until you play with that one person who just spams it constantly

[crystal iron]

Unfortunately I have gotten way to used to the vagueness that is most responses from 343.

Like I get NDA stuff and not trying to spoil things. It like you said the whole dropping this content. As for what, specifically is rather annoying...

Hopefully we do see the these "Benefits" of such a decision soon.

[teal scarab]

so, Infection gamemode doesnt count as pvp for challenges?

[timber summit]

havent played infinite since december after its launch and its still every bit as broken. aiming doesnt work consistently, my controller randomly moves a mouse cursor in game when im just sitting there waiting to respawn. pathetic

[smoky wave]

Skill issue

[timber summit]

nah

[crystal iron]

Lol watch the reason we get for removing cutscenes nerratove events, is going to be so they can improve the quality look of the store bundles and add more bundles to the store... Halo Infinite The Store... With DalC dropping soon The DLC will be called The Expanded Store....

[onyx latch]

Skissue

[crystal iron]

SI

[onyx latch]

Oh boy a shallow weak dig I love it

[crystal iron]

New Narrative Events Iratus takes over the store and raises the Prices...

[onyx latch]

Ha. Ha. Ha.

So. Funny. Yep. Totally not a threadbare line of humor.

[crystal iron]

I am to please

[misty vale]

If you guys didn't want everything to cost money an the games to be free, y'all shouldn't have ever signed up for XBL/Gamepass. This is the logical conclusion of that ecosystem.

[crystal iron]

And I have more jokes lined up, and trust me they are just as exciting as Potato salad with raisins in it

[devout kite]

Or switch to PlayStation lol

[ruby knoll]

$80 walking simulator machine

[young glen]

Good joke.

This stuff was happening before Gamepass was really a thing.

[white birch]

It's the inevitable slide

Money talks

[crystal iron]

Hey does anyone know if the hiring freeze is over or if 343 might be actively hiring.

I know there used to be a content creator that followed their boring post alot. Can't remember who it was though

People talk so much smack about halo having microtransactions but forget the gatekeeping from map packs in multiplayer like way back

[onyx latch]

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Still no.

[devout kite]

Idk why people are complaining about micro transactions like it’s there for people who wants it or not

[coarse dagger]

Skybox Labs are recruiting for Halo stuff: https://skyboxlabs.com/jobs/

[crystal iron]

They both have their negatives, depending on what you like in the game, for me Inlike immersion customization and Lore,

So MicroTransactions can become exhausting... However Map packs did split the community. Alot so those who were very heavy into the PVP really did get the shaft.

If there could be a even balance between the two it would be great, however video games are no longer about entertainment, they are vessels for profits. With various different teams.wormijgnhard on ways to target a consumer base. MicroTransactions is essentially the easiest way to create a revolving door of revenue.

Skybox labs? Is this possible related to Halo Infinjte content

[magic night]

They always were tools to make a profit. Just that back in the old days that profit was generated by taking a relatively small group of guys and having them work long hours for little pay.

[smoky wave]

It shows Halo Infinite so

[onyx latch]

Clearly not

[livid fable]

yanno what's weird?

When you're playing swat, and there's a guy who's doing really good, and somehow, you never, ever see the back or side of his head, because he's always facing you no matter which corner you turn

[tame crane]

Are we ever getting another chance to get Ice Unicorn items in infinite?

[young glen]

Well, they certainly care about entertainment. It's difficult to keep players engaged and buying stuff if the game isn't fun. That's why quite a few F2P games have been shutdown within the past year or so. However, I think I get what you're saying. It's absolutely true that triple-A developers put a lot of stock into developing their microtransaction model, sometimes to the detriment of gameplay and/or taking advantage of certain psychological biases.

[full warren]

I dont know what to do anymore lol, 30 kills in back to back slayer games and still lose

Literally this match making

[ruby lake]

hi #halo-discussion !

bye #halo-discussion

[young glen]

hi @ruby lake !

bye @ruby lake

[crystal iron]

The gaming industry is truly savage.

[crystal iron]

How many deaths

[full warren]

12 and 10 deaths

there gotta be a limit you can not expect people to get over 30 kills in a slayer and if they do then there is something wrong with match making

even 25 kills is half the kills for the team, make the players more balanced so atleast it seems more fair

[crystal iron]

After the whole EA, sunrise Mechanics thing, I just kinda lost son much interest in games for. A bit, than Anthem Flopped that took more out of me and ever since than it's been setback after setback after setback...

Elden Ring gave me hope, but right now Starfeild is going to be that game that is going to really seal the deal of wether to maintain hope for the future of gaming.

[crystal iron]

Yea that sounds like you had a teamate who was essentially AFK for a bit than came back died and back to AFK, cus no way your team wasnt pulling or at the very least the other team shouldn't havbebeen able to regroup fast enough to get effective kills. What was the final score

[crystal iron]

I'm still kinda bummed ScaleBound didn't happen. That game looked so cool.

[livid fable]

they decided that slightly shorter wait times is better than even gameplay. They're wrong, but that's what they decided. Like deciding gravity is fictional.

result, you get to carry the team, and i get to be killed 30 times no matter how hard i try to avoid being killed

[dusky nova]

Is there any kind of MMR in halo infinite? I just had a game of BTB Slayer that went 12-100

[crystal iron]

I'm actually interested to see what the real time population payer count is... I wonder if the game basically doesn't have a balanced enough player count on at times... Like basically if the day 1 player count was still around perhaps the system they have would work. But with a thinned out player count it kinda throws it off slightly sometimes, especially for UK and Aussie players

[dusky nova]

Scarr does seem to be so so oppressive when one team gets hold of all the good items. Was constantly being killed by people that were either invisible, had rocket launchers, shock rifles, vehicles etc. Our team just couldn't do anything the entire game

[livid fable]

as a usa player, nah. it's just like that. that's how it balances the teams.

[full warren]

No they were always there just 0/10 or 0/XX

They are literally so bad they can't get a single kill

[crystal iron]

Did they get assist what game mode as this in also

[full warren]

just team slayer with BR

I have no words another lost

[crystal iron]

Damn Teamates RNG is just not vibing with you, just think when you do get that solid team, it's only for that 1 round, cus after the round is over you get sent to the menu and it reshuffles you new Teamates

[livid fable]

intentionally lose 5 games in a row

[full warren]

I am literally out KDA their onyx 1800 players and my team can't just pull some weight and get 2-3 kills each

What is the point of lossing intentionally lol, thats the same of jsut lossing

[crystal iron]

So does anyone remember the 343industries Community Forum?

[livid fable]

alter the game's expectations. maybe allot you teammates that don't skip into the middle of a snipe town.

[full warren]

Well I did win a game we destroyed them to the point they basicly quit but and half the team is the same as the same people I been playing all day, its just RNG favoured me and gave me some teamates who does not suck

I dream of a day where I am not top of the leaderboard on both team

That would be a day I know I am not breaking my back carrying, let someone else co-carry lol

[jade sphinx]

Anyone know how to script the new ball and hill? I’m trying to make grifball but it’s looking rough

[wicked marsh]

i doubt you are consistently playing 1800s in social
i was a 1620 last season and i was consistently dropping 30 a game in social team slayer
if you want a challenge go to ranked, its really that simple

[limpid saffron]

Got 3 rn need 1 more anyone wanna do h4 or halo reach legendary under 3 hours Ik this isn’t lfg but the discussion is more active then lfg thread lol

[coarse dagger]

Please keep to the LFG channels, thanks :)

[grave ether]

But when you look at the team numbers they do line up pretty equally. Def a 50/50 chance there. Seems like a pretty fun game with equally matched opponents on both sides balanced even if there is a gap in skill between the players themselves on the team

[celest heron]

just based on the pic, either the top player or the bottom one's on both teams shouldn't have even been in that game.

[magic night]

Honestly, I'd be fine with a game like that since the player in each relative spot on the scoreboard is at least evenly matched with each other team's. Not like the balance is lopsided.

[hollow dagger]

Hey I don't know where to ask - it's just a small question and that's all. Is there a way to "enable" third person with normal weapons on HI Forge, now that Minigame is available?
I mean, 343 released MinI Slayer, I imagine there is a way to set these stats and more of that, no?

[full warren]

yeah but I literally had to carry so hard, out played the other top player, got more kills and less death and still we lost.. like what do you want me to do

everyone else on my team is just that tad bit worse than the equavalent player on their team. this is what annoyes me. like why can't someone else do something

[grave ether]

Enjoy your challenge and the fight

[full warren]

But it really is rage inducing when nothing you do contributes

sure you picked my game where it was the cloeset 48/50

but the next few games... It gets worse

[grave ether]

You lost by only two kills. It was a close game

It's part of the fun

[full warren]

I don't know why you play games, what is the point of winning and loosing if all you doing is playing for the sake of playing

[grave ether]

Playing for the sake of challenge and thrill

Learning and trying to outsmart my opponent

The real battle is within myself if I can rise and adapt to the challenge before me.

[full warren]

I mean I am getting 30 kills I am not doing much more to outsmart and learning at this point

[grave ether]

In this particular scenario, then I am proud of the skill I displayed in beating a tough opponent despite not being given the best circumstances

The loss is not a personal one and there are metrics to show that I did my best and succeeded in what I could. Then move on to the next battle

[ivory glacier]

What about the guy with 0 kills who probably just started playing the game and gets matched with people getting 30 kills. I think that’s the person who should be raging

Matchmaking bad for both skills

[grave ether]

Never said it wasn't

[steady snow]

Hello.

[full warren]

If you look at the game by it self sure that is a valid conclusion but basicly every game I am top of my team and generally the top of both teams and at the end of the day I still lose and win about 50%. I know the match making is giving me worse and worse teamster when I go on a winning streak. Why can’t it give me harder opponents, why must I be the best on both teams and be dragged down by worse players. I love to learn from people better than me but most of my games that never happen. Even this particular game there is this one good guy. I still won most of my 1v1 against him. Until I have to rely on my teammates in a 2v2 then we just never win. All this teaches me is I need to get better at 1v2 and don’t rely on anyone. But that can only go so far, even lucid is not going to be dropping 40 kills in a slayer game

[grave ether]

Idk man

[young glen]

I think the next step is clear...

You need to go pro.

Become the grand champion!

[full warren]

I just wish 343 make it so there are more varied games. I can’t be that good that I must be the best in every game I play. I am high diamond at best,

[full warren]

Lol those days are long gone I don’t have the competitive spirit to go pro

[young glen]

You seem full of competitive spirit

[full warren]

I just want fairer games but I know I am not going to be a pro lol I only play 2 hours a day that is not the dedication to be pro

Well bed time for me now it’s 2:30 am

[deft bloom]

1-8 in my last 9 games, great balancing 👍

[devout kite]

Don’t forget grinding the BP and career rank

[grave ether]

If that's your thing then by all means

[left snow]

Depends on how close the matches are.

If you were flipping coins then going 1-8 wouldn't be that surprising.

[crystal iron]

anyone wanna play a match

[devout kite]

Use the lfg channel

[crystal iron]

ok

[fresh gale]

It makes me sad the game is so dead, hard to find matches sometimes

[crystal iron]

HiddenXperia Just tweeted that the hiring freeze is over... Is it true could it be true, wait what month is it... Nope not April.

Hmm I don't want to get any hopes up though, like IV done that too many times and been burned

I think. Y next month I'll finally be out of the Bronze ranks as well.

[wide trout]

What is HiddenX’s source?

[crystal iron]

Not sure that's why I kinda came here to ask, figured I'd get more confirmation here than if I look through tweets usually that just turns into a mess of miscommunication

[white birch]

Trust him bro

[wide trout]

Unfortunately I’m going to have to ask you to delete your comments since they currently count as leaks and rumors, which aren’t allowed here

[signal ivy]

Skybox is hiring for Halo

[wide trout]

oh?

[signal ivy]

https://skyboxlabs.com/jobs/

[crystal iron]

Oh yea I think I asked earlier about that and someone posted the hiring post.

So in a way the hiring freeze is sort of over .. since they are hiring, it's more like a hiring Thaw lol

I don't think we will receive any official status from Phil Spencer given the current situation going on with the FTC.

I have been watching that closely and honestly the FTC comes off so One sided. On the matter. I did enjoy Phil Spencer's responses to them though.

Honestly though, I was re watching House of Dragons and started to think about ScaleBound and was like dang it be cool if they have that another go, but I think the studio that was working on it shut down so Doubt that will ever see the light of day

I really need.to go to bed but I can't sleep even took a melatonin still can't sleep.

[winter wren]

you can get suspended for "abusive chat" even tho they censor everything with "#"? wtf?

doesn't 343 know what kind of words people use over comms and what people use to say back on x360 days

when halo was actually good

[onyx latch]

Anime pfp moment

Grow up lmao

[winter wren]

343 apologist moment

[onyx latch]

Oooooh sick burn bro

[winter wren]

how much money you spenind on this game bruh

all for that sick skin

while 343 continues to ignore what made halo good

[onyx latch]

Ooooo man you're getting me so good

Come on, tell me more about how I'm spending my time wrong~

[winter wren]

🤓 🤓 🤓 🤓 🤓

you the type to look at a video like this and say "343 did nothing wrong" https://youtu.be/nz3Ko0td45w

[onyx latch]

Lmao he blocked me

Imagine trying to start something, then blocking someone.

[winter wren]

anyway cry harder 🙂

[onyx latch]

I'm not the one whining about bungie leaving.

[limpid saffron]

Anyone wanna join for h4 legendary under 3 hrs got 2 with me rn

[tepid latch]

yeeesh, times change buddy, kids play this game too 🤷‍♂️

[winter wren]

Kids play Fortnite and valorant..not halo

[tepid latch]

okay :)

[lethal surge]

Am I missing something or have all FFA playlists been removed this week?

[tepid latch]

think so?

[stone star]

the censorship the game has is very tone deaf yeah

[humble berry]

Anyone know if there's any guide to common callouts in Infinite? i just wanna make callouts people will understand

[crystal iron]

There’s definitely kids that play halo. It doesn’t work like "halo is only for adults. Kids, go play fortnite".

[tepid latch]

Call outs will appear above the mini map i believe thought idk if they're ones that are widely used or if esports use different ones

[tepid latch]

think they're trolling, wouldnt interact here 🫡

[crystal iron]

Yeah, good idea

[teal forge]

Do you guys know if there are any good puzzle maps?

[wanton root]

when will bot bootcamp return 🤔

[signal ivy]

I hope soon

[wanton root]

hope

[bright beacon]

Working on something nice in Reach's Forge. A very basic chill mode and map combination, similar to what Desert Bus feels like to me. Gonna be a while to finish it, but had to let someone know 👏

[lost urchin]

When firefight

[storm snow]

ranked: lol you suck stay gold forever >swat: here go against this 4 stack of Onyx's over and over

[hollow bobcat]

Why is the bandit rifle such a trash heap of a weapon?

It's a longer, weaker, slower version of the pistol.

It's worse when it's in SWAT.

[storm snow]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-factos-gif-24924684

[coarse pollen]

I think you’re just bad. Bandit works great. It has much longer consistent range than the pistol

[hollow bobcat]

I would rather have a pistol even at longer range.

At least that thing has better zoom.

[open umbra]

I think the the shot registration for the Bandit is kind of unforgiving than the Sidekick(maybe as unforgiving as the Sniper), the shot sometimes doesn't even register when I am shooting directly at the opponent in it's proper range. (I'll admit, I'm bad with this weapon)

[exotic vigil]

I think its just too different from the DMR in how it hits given how similar it is in every other way

You cant treat it like a DMR but it also feels like you should especially when you first use it

[onyx latch]

The point wasn't for it to be the DMR.

[coarse pollen]

The halo community is really bad at halo lmao

[onyx latch]

True

Halo community's bad at pretty much every aspect of Halo really

[coarse pollen]

Bandit works great, it’s literally a 5 shot kill, you just have to pace your shots correctly. If you’re losing to the sidekick I genuinely don’t know what to tell you other than to aim better.

[onyx latch]

Lore, gameplay, memory, cooking

[open umbra]

Wait...why mention cooking?

[coarse pollen]

If you just spam shots like the sidekick, your shots won’t land and your aim will be all over the place

Because the recoil is indeed unforgiving, to prevent you from crossing the map with it

It’s not the battle rifle, it’s not the commando

[exotic vigil]

I know I’m saying they should have make it more different than they did so it would be easier to just pick up since it isnt a power weapon

[coarse pollen]

It’s pretty easy to use if you don’t spam your shots

[onyx latch]

Cookbook

What few times I've seen someone make something from the cookbook they've done terribly and complained about it

At least they're trying I suppose

Bless their hearts

[exotic vigil]

Yeah its got a learning curve for sure but I can totally understand why some people think its too hard to use

[onyx latch]

The Commando reminds me of a recon scope AR from Halo 5.

[open umbra]

I do pacing the shots while using it, maybe the ping is the bigger factor?(100~200ms)

[onyx latch]

Which is not a bad thing.

[coarse pollen]

I don’t, halo isn’t just shoot to kill like every other shooter. There’s a lot of nuance to every gun and using them effectively is more than just hitting the trigger faster

[exotic vigil]

It has the range of a pistol but it feels like it should be a longer mid range weapon and I think that throws off people

[coarse pollen]

It has pretty decent range

[exotic vigil]

Yeah but not when compared to the commando which I think confuses people

[coarse pollen]

It just doesn’t have a scope. I can hit people from real far with the bandit, you just have to once again pace your shots. Make sure the enemy stays within the ring of the reticle and it works fine

Then….be smarter? I don’t even know how to respond to that

[exotic vigil]

Real

Its a case of get good honestly but I can understand why its hard for people to is all I’m saying

[coarse pollen]

I don’t understand how it’s SO hard

I can understand it being a challenge but I swear the community just does not understand how to play lol

And that’s why stuff like ranked is so coddled and neutered, left to just basically have the battle rifle as the only useful gun outside of power weapons

[exotic vigil]

Its just not that intuitive especially coming off of the DMR behaving very similarly between games

[coarse pollen]

It doesn’t have a scope, it’s pretty clear that it isn’t long range

[exotic vigil]

Well thats because comp players are whiney halo 3 fanboys

[coarse pollen]

And it makes ranked unplayable

The battle rifle is too easy to use, that’s also where I think a lot of the “complaints” towards the bandit come from. To me it seems a lot of people just want the game to be easier

[onyx latch]

I kind of think of ranked as a microcosm of a few of the fanbase's many issues.

Mostly an unwillingness to evolve when it really should.

[coarse pollen]

the bandit is better as a starting weapon because it actually takes some amount of skill to win a fight with it

[onyx latch]

The fact the BR got special treatment in the melee nerf actually irritates me greatly.

[coarse pollen]

I just hate the battle rifle

[exotic vigil]

Comp players for whatever reason just cant learn to use other guns

If the BR isnt the bestest gun everer then they cry until 343 nerfs everything else

[onyx latch]

I don't really mind it per say. I just think it's one of the most generic weapons in Halo and never got why it was considered a 'staple' in any metric.

[exotic vigil]

Halo 2

[onyx latch]

There's a reason why Halo 4/5's BR is my favorite and it has nothing to do with how it performs.

It just looks better. More futuristic in the Pulse Gun sense.

[coarse pollen]

I hate how it’s this poster child for pro players and it’s literally the easiest gun to use in the entire game that doesn’t explode. Makes me look at HCS as some neutered event. Makes me feel like I can beat a pro if we both had anything but a br. It’s a neutered game experience

[grave ether]

I want to know what it would feel like to take the commando and the bandit, take the scope off the Commando, put it on the bandit, and see how it all feels from there

[onyx latch]

With the BR55/BR70 being the Thompson to the BR85's Pulse Rifle prop.

[coarse pollen]

Why would you do that

[grave ether]

Why not

[coarse pollen]

The commando is pretty poor in close range

That would make it even more useless than it already is

[onyx latch]

It's kind of a midrange 'scavenger' gun

[exotic vigil]

It would make them feel in line with how they look and fire

[onyx latch]

Which is kind of a bad spot for a gun to be in IMO

[coarse pollen]

The commando is garbage right now lol

[grave ether]

I just want to see how it would feel over all. And I mean pre-nerf commando

[coarse pollen]

They need to bring it back to season 2 stats

It was perfect, I don’t understand why they changed it

It was harder to use than a br or ar but could play a lot more aggressively

[grave ether]

Probably to make room for the bandit

[onyx latch]

9 letter word, starts with C.

[exotic vigil]

The bandit and commando should which use cases

I shouldnt want to use a commando over a bandit at longer ranges its silly

[grave ether]

caboodles

[coarse pollen]

The disruptor nerf is my #1 most hated change though. Entirely unnecessary and told me everything I needed to know about the skill level of halo players. They just made it a crappier needler and completely removed the purpose the gun had. Now I genuinely never want to use it, I find it even more worthless than the plasma pistol

[coarse pollen]

The commando is long-mid range tho

It performs horribly in close range

[exotic vigil]

Yeah but it fires like a close range weapon with its spread and bloom

[coarse pollen]

No it really doesnt

Again, you just have to pace your shots. Dunno why that’s such a hard concept

[grave ether]

That's why I'm saying go back to pre-nerf, give the Bandit the scope, and see how it feels with both in a match

[coarse pollen]

The bandit doesn’t need a scope

[onyx latch]

Capsaicin.

[coarse pollen]

Why do we insist on changing the core values of these guns

[grave ether]

But I want it to have one

[coarse pollen]

There’s no need for that

Well it’s not gonna happen. It’s not the dmr

[exotic vigil]

The issue is the commando would just be a beefy AR then

[crystal iron]

Is "ranked slayer" an elaborate joke that i'm missing ? tried to played this playlist since launch at every hours of the day and after 20+min of waiting multiples times a day still not found a game?

[grave ether]

It's "core value" is a DMR they ripped the scope off of

[onyx latch]

I want a Ghost Recon Future Soldier style Gunsmith. Screw CoD, Ghost Recon did it first.

[coarse pollen]

Nobody plays ranked, it’s the worst way to experience the game. Go have some actual fun

[exotic vigil]

So true

[magic night]

Yeah. We already have the Stalker Rifle. A scoped Bandit would juut feel like a less good version of that and the BR.

[crystal iron]

?? quite the opposite

[exotic vigil]

This is a casual gamer neighborhood comp players keep moving

[coarse pollen]

Right, I love getting the best weapon as soon as I spawn, I love omitting guns that have no need to be omitted, and I certainly love being punished for playing better than usual by being put into pre-determined losing matches.

Ranked is the worst way to experience the game.

[crystal iron]

Yikes, i'll let you play Infection and Fiesta without judgment but you must be fun at parties 💀

[exotic vigil]

Dude nobody here goes to parties its a halo discord

[coarse pollen]

Infection and Fiesta are actually playable 💀

So yes, I will go play them

[crystal iron]

Imagine having social life

[coarse pollen]

In fact, it only takes a couple seconds, maybe a minute max, to find a match in those modes

[exotic vigil]

Its sad that you cant find a ranked match though dude good luck

[coarse pollen]

I wonder why, it’s almost like….they’re fun ways to experience the game

[exotic vigil]

Shouldnt be the only way though

[crystal iron]

Infection in infinite is really good imo

Same with fiesta

[grave ether]

False.
When we do go to parties, we get bored, find a corner to chill in, and log into to this discord to talk about it

[crystal iron]

Lol

[coarse pollen]

They aren’t. Quick play queues up just fine, so does BTB. Social slayer is always active when it’s around, and Lone Wolves tends to be one of the most active modes from what I’ve played. Ranked and SWAT are horrible ways to play the game, so nobody uses those playlists

hence it takes forever to find games for them

[exotic vigil]

Speaking from experience

[grave ether]

Actually, yes. And that was after I completely killed it with da stanky leg

[exotic vigil]

Well its because those players are playing other better games

[coarse pollen]

….like fiesta and infection? Lmfao

[onyx latch]

Like Splitgate

[coarse pollen]

If there’s one thing you must realize with halo fans it’s that they cannot let go of halo no matter how much they say they do. If they’re not playing ranked they’re definitely playing some other mode

[open umbra]

Gonna say those getting high MMR or living in the region outside US/EU will have different matchmaking experience.

[coarse pollen]

I get overly high mmr for what I play like

I play what I like to call “bum average”

My k/d is 1.1-1.3

It’s never been higher than that, but they match me consistently with horrible teammates and stacked enemy teams

[crystal iron]

Splitgate is still alive somehow

[exotic vigil]

Because its fun

[onyx latch]

Eh

Most games have a pulse, no shock there

[coarse pollen]

Never played it after the pre season. Wasn’t a fan, it felt extremely bland

[onyx latch]

People told me they think of it as masterful.

[crystal iron]

I know and I also still play it sometimes but I am shocked that after so long time it still have big enough playerbase to not have any problem with finding matches

[onyx latch]

Lol. Lmao even.

[exotic vigil]

Its impressive

[coarse pollen]

When you compare it to halo in your marketing I will hold it to halo’s standards. If infinite came out like splitgate, well, let’s just say it would’ve been even uglier than splitgate’s art direction

[crystal iron]

?

[onyx latch]

In regards to it being 'masterful'.

[sand forge]

yo does anyone still play halo 5’s fiesta mode? i miss it

[coarse pollen]

It’s one of the only active playlists whenever I hop on 5 lol

[onyx latch]

It's a very, very typical game. It's got about the same level of production value as Angels Fall First but displaced by several years.

[crystal iron]

They can think that it’s masterful if they think like that. It’s a great multiplayer game imo

[sand forge]

i can’t get anyone to join my queue 😠

[coarse pollen]

Could just be your timing tbh

With dead games like 5 you gotta play at “hot” times

[sand forge]

too early in the morning?

[coarse pollen]

I’d say like 3-4 hours from now you’d find more players

[crystal iron]

I had some problems with finding games there when I was playing recently. Had to wait like 15 minutes to find a match

[sand forge]

is there a fiesta mode on MCC? i know it’s somewhat active

[coarse pollen]

It’s still work hours for many

[ruby knoll]

If people are gonna call infinite dead then splitgate is ultra dead

[coarse pollen]

Unfortunately you have to queue up for action sack which won’t be exclusively fiesta. Unless it’s been rotated in for the week

[crystal iron]

Lol

[exotic vigil]

Its a different kind of dead

[sand forge]

bummer. they need to make it it’s own thing. i appreciate the info. thanks 🙂

[crystal iron]

We should define "dead game" lol

[coarse pollen]

And as someone who played action sack every day back before infinite was out, it’s unfortunately one of the more dead playlists on mcc

[onyx latch]

Oh, that's easy.

"I don't like this so I want a buzzterm to insult it"

[ruby knoll]

Splitgate is a "devs took the money and ran with 0 new updates planned and no timelines for the supposed next game" dead

[crystal iron]

Sometimes fiesta is a separate playlist every few weeks

[coarse pollen]

Yeah it rotates in

Usually active when it’s in

[oblique spire]

hey y’all i have an xbox and i’m thinking abt getting halo any recommendations for first time user (series s)

[crystal iron]

Ok. I would say that dead game is a game in which you can’t find any match or have really big problems with it even in peak hours

[exotic vigil]

My desire to not get muted for a week has overcome my desire to criticize infinite or number company in any way

[onyx latch]

Don't post unhinged rants or attack people and you're usually good.

[sand forge]

you can’t even say their name 💀

[onyx latch]

You don't have an anime or IRL pfp so you should be A-OK, whatever you say can't be that bad.

[exotic vigil]

I got muted for saying it was dumb to release an incomplete game lol

[coarse pollen]

Master Chief Collection, $40 for some of the best games ever made and nearly every feature included. Has a pretty lowkey playerbase but mp still kicks every now and again

[ruby knoll]

I criticize 343 without being an unhinged weirdo so i don't get muted

[onyx latch]

This is the easiest way to avoid it tbh

[ruby knoll]

Yeah it was pretty dumb to release halo 2 glad we agree

[crystal iron]

argument intensifies

[onyx latch]

Punching on Halo 2 should reasonably be punching down but it tends to get absurdly overrated.

So it ends up being a punch up despite the fact it's an easy target.

[exotic vigil]

Could not be bothered to argue against someome that defends day 1 infinite

[onyx latch]

Funny how that works.

[exotic vigil]

Its because the game was insanely revolutionary even in its poor state

[onyx latch]

It was a playable and enjoyable experience that wasn't without its flaws.

Infinite, I mean. Can't really justify 2 that well.

2's playable, but like... Why would you want to?

[exotic vigil]

The good outweighed the bad with 2

[ruby knoll]

Halo 2 is carried by 2 things and 2 things alone:

• story
• the novelty of matchmaking on console (which was paywalled and came at the expense of server browsers)

[crystal iron]

Infinite had many problems on launch but yeah, gameplay was always great and it was always enjoyable game

[onyx latch]

Different strokes. 2's downsides are so numerous that I can't justify playing it.

It's the only game on MCC I go out of my way to avoid at all times.

[ruby knoll]

Oh and having an ad campaign that cost 2x the development budget

[smoky wave]

Another thing to add it's that there wasn't a lot of competition too

[exotic vigil]

And infinite cant even manage one of those

[ruby knoll]

Wut

[onyx latch]

So we're in straight up denial territory now, got it.

[exotic vigil]

Desync and a bad story

[onyx latch]

DAEsync

[ruby knoll]

Da sink

Gotta call a plumber

[crystal iron]

I liked some things about halo infinite’s story to be honest

[exotic vigil]

Its fine if you dont care about it but some people do

[onyx latch]

Oh, I care about it.

Too bad I don't really have it as an issue and don't misreport regular lag as desync.

[exotic vigil]

Its just the first few missions of CE with extra melodrama

[crystal iron]

I maybe few times experienced desync

[exotic vigil]

Not as bad as 4 or 5 but just not what it should have been

[onyx latch]

I'll give 2 some credit, it does have a better story than the worst 3 stories Halo ever had.

[crystal iron]

Ok. I still like it for what it is.

[exotic vigil]

I think it has the best

2 is the best story and writing easily

[onyx latch]

Not that 3, Halo Wars 2 ATN, and CE are all that high a bar to hurdle.

[exotic vigil]

ATN retconned 3s ending so i personally cant stand it

Also based halo 3 story criticism

[crystal iron]

ATN?

[exotic vigil]

Awaken the nightmare

[crystal iron]

Oh ok

[exotic vigil]

Halo 3 has some awesome moments though and was obviously the peak of the franchise so it gets away with less criticism than it deserves

[coarse pollen]

H3 has a horrible story. Still my favorite campaign tho.

[onyx latch]

It really only retconned the survival of High Charity, tbh.

[exotic vigil]

And the firing of the halo ring on the arc

[onyx latch]

Nah.

[exotic vigil]

Average frank oconnor halo game though lol

[onyx latch]

Of all the parts that are fine, the ring just exploding with minimal effect instead of doing its job isn't an issue.

Generally speaking, when a gun explodes when it's being shot, its bullet does not go in the intended direction.

I'd wager the same principle applies when a massive ring installation shakes itself apart because it tried to fire with a corroded half-baked breach.

[exotic vigil]

You could be right idk fair point though

Main issue is high charity

[onyx latch]

High Charity not being dust after a decade irritates me way more, yeah.

[exotic vigil]

It isnt even important to the story of ATN

[onyx latch]

ATN was chosen over a playable created faction and campaign.

That will always chap my backside.

[exotic vigil]

Just somebody in the story group forgot it exploded ig

Like when they thought humans had a truce with the covenant

[onyx latch]

That was just poor dialogue. 4's got a lot of sloppy dialogue.

[exotic vigil]

And thats somehow the least of its story problems

Somehow worse and better than “to war”

[onyx latch]

4's got awkward stakes, a villain I personally never really found very compelling because... He kinda just doesn't do much beyond "I woke up and I hate you all", and really only had a good ending.

[exotic vigil]

4 was just confused

[onyx latch]

It's not helped by the fact that roughly 30% of the dialogue people complain about is the dialogue that wasn't the problem.

[signal ivy]

the basic structure of 4 is just CE

[exotic vigil]

Its like if CE was made poorly

[onyx latch]

If I had a nickel for every time 343i tried to redo Halo CE in whole or in part, I'd have 3 nickels.

Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened thrice.

[exotic vigil]

You would have half the budget of halo 2

Well the halo 2 that got made

[onyx latch]

There's only three people on this server I'd expect to actually be able to discuss how budget works into a game competently.

[exotic vigil]

If you had a nickel…

[onyx latch]

Ah, you were playing into the joke. I thought you were serious.

Still.

[coarse pollen]

H4 is good in my eyes, it simply has the issue of having too much cut content for everything to make complete sense

[exotic vigil]

Killed the lore and the multiplayer so ehhhh

[onyx latch]

That's a pretty common issue for 343i's games and kind of one of the things I think should be an actual thing to openly and consistently criticize.

[exotic vigil]

Halo 4 used to be overhated and now its underhated

[onyx latch]

Please. If anything killed 'lore' for any time it'd be Reach, considering it committed vehicular manslaughter against the first Halo book.

[coarse pollen]

Reach is the worst halo Lmao

Worst slop to ever drop from the franchise

[onyx latch]

Pressed Y and Warthog splattered it, Halo wars style

[exotic vigil]

Lmao

[crystal iron]

Reach is overrated in many aspects

[exotic vigil]

Absolutely but 4 was the game that broke the franchise

[onyx latch]

nah.

It was a slower death than that. It's unfair to base it off of any one game as being the problem.

[magic night]

ODST was the game that broke the franchise

Maybe even Wars

[exotic vigil]

Reach aimed the gun and 4 fired it

[onyx latch]

People have this asinine obsession with trying to single out one product that ruined a franchise, but the truth is usually far more granular than that.

In Halo's case, it adapted wrong, and went off half-pumped.

[exotic vigil]

Well everything is

Tried too hard to be cod and then just kept chasing trends

[onyx latch]

It didn't try hard enough to be CoD.

[exotic vigil]

Imagine

[onyx latch]

More specifically, it didn't try hard enough in its emulation.

Like, ideally, the end point problably should've been something akin to a AAA Section 8 game.

[coarse pollen]

It didn’t try to be like cod at all outside of the loadout system

[exotic vigil]

Killstreaks

[coarse pollen]

Always such a terrible argument against the game

[exotic vigil]

Perks

[onyx latch]

I wish they had tried harder regarding those tbh.

[coarse pollen]

Cod didn’t invent killstreaks, perks are a part of the loadout system I just mentioned

[onyx latch]

Weapon attachments, muzzles, scopes, etc etc

Little point adjustments to stats

Perks, the whole nine

[exotic vigil]

Dude halo 4 tried to be cod its fine its just how it is

[onyx latch]

Would've been cash money if they did. Halo's backstory has one hell of an excuse for it.

[coarse pollen]

Again, the only system copying cod was the loadouts

And even still, those were really a carryover from reach.

[onyx latch]

half the reason I'm more in love with Halo's lore than the storylines or the games is because all the cool stuff happening in the background sounds soooooo much cooler than what we get.

Like, screw "Arena gameplay" that isn't even in vogue anymore. Give me class-based Spartan FPS that actually bothers to say "Hey, all this cool stuff Spartans carry around and do in the lore? We let you do it"

[exotic vigil]

Yeah the new lore is too complex for me but I admire the time they spent on the new stuff

[onyx latch]

Let me crash through a wall like a half-ton angry rhino and wallhack headshot a grunt with a Stanchion.

Because I saw him via traffic cameras my suit passively hacked.

[exotic vigil]

That would be a cool spinoff ODST type game

[onyx latch]

Long as I'm not an ODST.

The last thing I want is to be some jumped-up Airborne Seal hybrid.

[exotic vigil]

I always thought they did halo 3 odst poorly

[crystal iron]

Wait… spartans can do stuff like this in lore? Damn, yeah, lore sounds more interesting than actual gameplay

[onyx latch]

That's the entire point of the Cyclops armor from Halo 5.

[exotic vigil]

Spartans in lore are almost silly how super hero they get

Takes away from the desperation of the war for me

[onyx latch]

You say "Super Hero", I say "Literally just modern real warfare ideas ramped up to 11"

Oh, god, no. It adds to it.

You have all these amazing abilities and it just isn't enough.

[exotic vigil]

But it should be

[onyx latch]

Pffft.

If I wanted to squirm around in the mud like an insolent worm I'd play Rising Storm.

[exotic vigil]

It doesnt carry over if spartans are killing thousands and blowing up carriers daily and theyre still losing

[onyx latch]

Most don't.

[exotic vigil]

The power scaling just gets out of hand

[onyx latch]

Nah.

Only Spartan that's really out of sync at this point wears green.

Like, half of the future sci fi "Superhero" stuff Spartans can do has been part of the franchise since day one.

And the stuff that isn't is based off of real stuff we can do now.

Like, the description of full-body paralysis while piloting a vehicle is actually pretty old hat for Covenant ships.

[exotic vigil]

Yeah just never been a fan of the superhero side of spartans

[onyx latch]

Like, if you want dirty scrounging Vietcong in space vibes, there's other games for those rocks.

[onyx latch]

Enforcer does a similar thing in that it crashes and hacks enemy battlenet nodes a'la Cortana, just on a local level, and then provides intel on enemy positions based off of that.

[exotic vigil]

Just clashes with the vibes of the human covenant war for me if there are quippy marvel hero in space armor running around

[onyx latch]

Good thing that doesn't actually exist and you're complaining about something that you're fabricating.

[exotic vigil]

Fireteam majestic

[onyx latch]

Nah.

Majestic doesn't quip. They banter.

[exotic vigil]

Its cringe either way

[onyx latch]

Nah.

[crystal iron]

Sounds cool. Yeah, spin-off in which we would be able to use full potential of spartans would be cool

[exotic vigil]

Maybe I just dont like 343s depiction of the unsc

[onyx latch]

Majestic could've been done better, that doesn't mean they're cringe.

[coarse pollen]

For no reason Lmao. Just say you don’t like how they look and be done with it

[onyx latch]

Meanwhile I completely prefer it in almost every single way because we get so much cooler things to mess with.

[exotic vigil]

Thats not my only issue though

Its hard to describe and maybe I’m not as well spoken about it as I could be but they just seem off

[onyx latch]

I think the only thing I really don't like about 343i UNSC is that it doesn't solve the crippling leadership incompetence that most Sci Fi has in many cases.

[coarse pollen]

I’m willing to bet it’s one of two complaints

1. Someone said the old ones were better
2. They aren’t gritty like reach so that makes them bad

[onyx latch]

Why not both?

It's usually both.

[coarse pollen]

Yeah, you’re right

[exotic vigil]

Again those are part of it but idk I just don’t feel like the spartan 4s are a good fit for the universe

[coarse pollen]

You’re reaching for complaints

[onyx latch]

They're literally just a natural progression that anyone sane should've implemented first.

[exotic vigil]

But whatever its just my opinion

[coarse pollen]

What is wrong with them tho

[onyx latch]

Majestic bants

And I'm going to assume something about some loss of tragedy or some such.

[coarse pollen]

You simply shouldn’t complain if there’s no basis to the complaint. To me, it sounds like you don’t like them because you want something to complain about

[onyx latch]

I get this one was a strawman on my part but this complaint always actually made me really, really annoyed.

Because it's such a weak argument.

[exotic vigil]

I think that the themes of halo and the universe are just different post halo 4

[coarse pollen]

Because halo fans insist that halo should be gritty and depressing and grey like reach even though the rest of the franchise has not and will not depict itself that way. It’s a space opera, like Star Wars. It’s always going to have some cheesiness to it

[onyx latch]

Yeah, why wouldn't they be?

[coarse pollen]

Woah, it’s almost like the big war is over

[exotic vigil]

Its a military scifi not star wars

[onyx latch]

Water's also wet.

[exotic vigil]

Halo 4 is star wars

[coarse pollen]

It’s a space opera. Star Wars is also a space opera.

[ruby lake]

i wanna play a halo-themed arena fighter game

[onyx latch]

Lmao, no.

[coarse pollen]

It ALWAYS has been. Since CE

[ruby lake]

that'd be fun

[onyx latch]

I remember talking about abilities characters would have for that concept tbh. I always viewed Atriox as being kind of a tanky grappler type.

[magic night]

Are we complaining about bantering Spartan IV's despite Halo CE-ODST including wisecracking marines?

[onyx latch]

No, you see, they mentioned a three letter s-word.

And as we all know, Soldiers never talk about that.

[ruby lake]

SSS?

[exotic vigil]

I just didn’t like them man idk what to tell you

Didn’t appeal to me its not that deep

[onyx latch]

It's also an absurdly common and very weird complaint that not only you have.

[coarse pollen]

For no reason tho

There’s no reason for it lmao, it’s just hate for the sake of hate in my eyes

Because it’s not theone you prefer

[exotic vigil]

And to me its just accepting for the sake of accepting

[onyx latch]

That reads a lot like just grasping for complaints because you need something to dislike that isn't surface level.

[exotic vigil]

The dialogue isnt well written the characters arent compelling and the themes in the game are not consistent

[onyx latch]

The dialogue's honestly not bad for Majestic.

It's got some downsides, tbf, but it's not that bad.

[magic night]

I could argue this sounds a lot like the original games

[onyx latch]

Spartan Ops also has one of the single best speeches in Halo history, if not the best.

[devout kite]

Where’s everyone at in their career ranks for me I just enter sliver

[coarse pollen]

The dialogue is as good and serious as every other halo game. you’re right, the themes are not consistent and the characters aren’t very compelling, reminds me of the bungie games tbh

[exotic vigil]

Thats just not true?

[onyx latch]

"Ladies and...other Spartans, listen up! Your new workplace is a planet first discovered by humanity six months ago called Requiem. Some of the old hands here know what you're in for. The rest of you... You're due for an education."

"The eggheads upstairs wants to set up research bases. But before they can do that, we need to fend off some Covenant squatters. The Covies... they believe this is the home of one of their gods! Way I see it, if those freaks wanna meet God, it's our duty to help them along!"

God, it isn't done justice in text.

But I love that speech.

[exotic vigil]

So cringe dude I’m sorry

[coarse pollen]

You know this is present in every halo, right? If you think Johnson or Miranda were “compelling” characters I genuinely have no idea what to tell you. (And I love those characters, but that doesn’t avert them from criticism)

[onyx latch]

Miranda's compellingly stupid.

[coarse pollen]

to war

Nuff said

[onyx latch]

Hmn, yes, distinguishing herself by killing her own ship and crew with questionable tactics and strategies incompetently performed 3 times that mostly work due to luck or actually didn't work.

Versus "Yeah, I know it's an awful order, but you get hung for it if I don't do this for you, sorry Lasky"

[magic night]

You can dislike Halo 4 and onwards for its dialogue not being nothing but one-liners and instead having characters actually talk to each other, but it doesn't make it bad.

[exotic vigil]

They don’t talk though its just melodrama

[onyx latch]

Lmao

That's not how that works.

[exotic vigil]

Crying screaming and sulking ad nausium

[onyx latch]

That's more Reach than 4.

[magic night]

I don't think you understand what melodrama is

[coarse pollen]

Yeah your crisiticm is definitely nothing lol. Found the guy who can’t form his own opinions

[onyx latch]

And even Reach doesn't do it much.

[onyx latch]

Oh, come on. I'm at least going to play devil's advocate and say they problably don't like Act Man.

[exotic vigil]

Whats wrong with Act Man

[onyx latch]

So much.

[exotic vigil]

I havent watched him in years what did he do

[coarse pollen]

He blows

[onyx latch]

Well, years ago was actually a pretty significant part of the problem with him even now, so.

[exotic vigil]

That is like no information dude

[crystal iron]

Lol

[exotic vigil]

I’m not trying to argue I’m genuinely curious

[magic night]

For one, he makes bold claims about things he doesn't understand.

[onyx latch]

Generally being a racist/homophobic type a few years back that people say he grew out of, but I think he's just not an idiot about it anymore.

[onyx latch]

This though, this is a big one.

He did a recent re-review of 5 and doubled down on it in ways that I just find sad.

[coarse pollen]

And then he acts like he’s right

And then his rabid baby fans treat it like a fact

[onyx latch]

He knows his audience though, I'll give him that, they want punching.

[magic night]

At least his name makes sense

Acts like a "Man"

[onyx latch]

I allegedly look like him.

I have never been more insulted.

Anyways, I just realized something. Pretty much none of Miranda's plans actually worked properly without an outside and unpredictable act.

[exotic vigil]

Hate to see it but whatever hes a youtuber theres plenty of morons on youtube

[onyx latch]

Like, her plan to get the index had already basically failed by the time Arbiter got there.