halo-discussion

[half thorn]

at least it seems to have stopped resetting all my prefs

[sterile oak]

dude it might sound stupid but like how do I watch cinematics

like i see all over social media the new cinematics and I cant find where

[half thorn]

press Y on the main menu to open the battle pass/challenge stuff, then at the bottom it will show that you can hit X to watch the season intro

[sterile oak]

aprt from season intro are there more ?

[half thorn]

there was another one but i dont think you can watch it anymore because it was part of last week's "story event" pass thing and theres a different event this week with no cutscene

[sterile oak]

i did the event but saw no cinematic when completed

[tepid latch]

The Cinematic didn't play after the event finished, you just had to find it yourself unfortunately

i think they biffed the delivery of it

[sterile oak]

like find it in the menu?

really? thats disappointing

[tardy turtle]

I do hope we get to go back and watch the other cinematics in time

[tepid latch]

Okay, just had a look, If you go to the battlepass menu, at the bottom it says Season Intro, go to that, then at the bottom it says Cinematics, go to that

[sterile oak]

damn thanks

[noble urchin]

oh thank goodness the new event challenges aren't tied to Lone Wolves. that woulda been an absolute slog

[tardy turtle]

Lone Wolves KOTH is weird

[dark wolf]

I too am in the same boat. Gunned through the challenges as soon as they came out, and got Firewall. Thought it would be fixed if I just gave it some time, but clearly not the case. Been trying to login to Waypoint Support to submit a ticket, but I cannot login (weird because I can login to Waypoint and Waypoint Forums with no issue).

[haughty trellis]

Hey guys, question. Did PC Aim Assist get busted in this latest update? Feels bad again like it did until the winter update.

[tepid latch]

The OP on reddit got a reply from Sam https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/11xvfwn/comment/jd52btr/?context=1000 but dont think anything else has come of it

[prime steppe]

Does anyone have problems entering games? It sends me an error with the server

I enter a game and it's just about to start and it tells me that the server is lost, and like this every time and now they ban me for leaving the games, but it's not my fault!!

[ivory glacier]

I never had such a glitchy night. I really wish the basic gameplay worked right

[left snow]

150 ping? Luxury. I tried to hit up ranked over the last few days and was pretty much 220+ the entire time.

[ivory glacier]

Nice way to end the night. Booted from match. Problem with dedicated server. That sums up my halo night

[haughty trellis]

Does anyone know if PC aim assist on Mouse and Keyboard was changed in the newest patch? It seems much worse than it used to be.

[crystal iron]

Another aus player in ranked? This is wild

[unreal root]

does anybody else constantly have issues playing halo infinite on steam

[ruby knoll]

Not me, but if you're having issues then file a support ticket

[empty rapids]

honestly, when you get straight up body slammed by somebody who is better than you, it doesn't feel as bad

i'm high plat low diamond at best so when i see some big brain plays i'm not even mad lol

[crystal iron]

Soooo 7 of the tiers for the event is just duplicates of the same coating and the weekly is basically the same coating again.

I would had hoped they would have put more effort into that

Or was it 6

Also challenge skips and XP tokens should not be a standalone reward tier... In the battlepass. It should come alongside a cosmetic

[empty rapids]

i didn't pay for the battlepass and i got two new armor cores and so far am cruising through it

it's alright, could have more content but one shouldn't expect fortnite levels of content out of most modern games lol

epic's just built different

[left snow]

We almost need a concerted push for all of us to play on the same evening. With a bit of luck we may actually fill a lobby.

[crystal iron]

Yeah lmao

[crystal iron]

They are insane man, like They put out content in there sleep, it's crazy

I see they added Halo 5 Seeker Helmet's uglier Cousin into the store lol

[sage lake]

Does anyone know if ps5 controller gives some input delay or other weird stuff on halo inf playing through steam on pc

[slow walrus]

love how there's only 3 things in this week's event pass that aren't repeats of the same emblem and vehicle coating

[finite river]

shouldnt do

[crystal iron]

Right, The Event pass really feels very low effort. It's nice stuff but They really have to stop with the Here's the same coating again.. but for your warthog . Or this one's for your BR but it's the same coating but it's different cus it goes on your BR lol

Ok so If I count all the coatings and Emblems as 1 thing... And the shoulder peices as 1 that means the 20 teir Battlepass only has 11 items

[finite river]

its not worth doing

like any other fracture event

[noble urchin]

i hope career progression in Infinite will take as long (or longer) to max as Halo 5 SR152 did. im more addicted to Infinites gameplay than any other game in the franchise so i want something to work towards for a long time lol

[shy abyss]

There’s also the fact that it’s FFA, and most of the modes in the playlist are crapshoots in FFA.

Unless if I missed a 4th Competitive Gun Game is the only good one of the lot.

[crystal iron]

Man I tried Ranked and the aping is somgrealijg crazy.. but really it seems.really bad in ranked why is that

[teal scarab]

I mean, I just use this event as a method to level Season 2 Pass xD

[vivid ruin]

Are we able to go into lone wolves with friends?

[finite river]

probably not

[crystal iron]

No

[tepid latch]

I could understand if you couldn't do it with Ranked, but Social gametypes should always allow squads

im playing FFA with friends cuz i wanna kick they butt

[vivid ruin]

Yeah it'd be nice to earn challenges in social ffa playlists with friends, instead if we wanna ffa we are limited to customs only

No killing friends for xp

[crystal iron]

That’s why it’s not allowed to play ffa with friends

[vivid ruin]

It's not a very good reason

[sullen kiln]

⚠️ There is currently a service alert out right now for Xbox services ⚠️

Please check the Xbox Support website for further information and updates:

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[worldly tendon]

it's actually to prevent a squad from coordinating and treating a FFA match like a team slayer match by only targeting everyone else

[tardy turtle]

I mean.... Can't speak for everyone but me and my friends would absolutely go after one another lol

[left snow]

Yeah, but for every group that played in the proper spirit there would be ten more farming XP or KD or whatever.

It's like squads. They ended up putting a limit on the ranges because there were more groups farming CSR than just playing with genuine friends.

[fallen forge]

spirutal propper spirit

[devout kite]

343 design it so players won’t team up with their friends and farm challenges

[sullen anvil]

I don’t know if this is possible or not but I hope campaign co-op gets an update where the fireteam leader is Chief and everyone else is their multiplayer spartan

the fireteam leader will be the only one to appear in cutscenes of course

[lime robin]

That could've been a great LASO reward

[devout kite]

I rather have a special coating or armor effect in my opinion

[obtuse storm]

I'd have loved for coop to have mp spartan on the other players

We've only had 3 halo games where it wasn't just duplicates

[devout kite]

That would defeat the purpose what 343 have in mind with co-op

[obtuse storm]

[lime robin]

3, 5...?

[obtuse storm]

Reach

[lime robin]

Right

[obtuse storm]

forgettable, I know

[tardy turtle]

There's been Halo 3, Halo Reach, Halo 4, Halo 5, and Halo Infinite.

[obtuse storm]

What

4 and infinite both use duplicates

[tardy turtle]

Oh wait, Co-Op

[obtuse storm]

Yes. This whole thing was about coop lol

[tardy turtle]

Well, Campaign does, but Spartan Ops does not

[obtuse storm]

Spartan Ops is Multiplayer PvE though

[tardy turtle]

Not quite; it has it's own storyline

[obtuse storm]

Yes, I know what spartan ops is

but it doesn't change that it's still matchmade multiplayer pve

[tardy turtle]

It's classified as an Episodic Cooperative Campaign

Matchmade Multiplayer PvE would also apply to even Halo 3 campaign when you search for coop partners

[obtuse storm]

Halo 3 Campaign never had coop matchmaking.

Remember, we are not counting changes made with MCC.

They are irrelevant since they have the benefit of postmortem adjustment.

Spartan Ops, regardless, is not a mainline campaign.

Of the mainline campaigns the Only games that don't have duplicates are 3, Reach, and 5.

[tardy turtle]

And why not?

[obtuse storm]

They are irrelevant since they have the benefit of postmortem adjustment.

[tardy turtle]

If you're limiting it to only Mainline, yes. But those are not the only cooperative campaigns

[obtuse storm]

A main campaign

the only other games with a secondary campaign is Spartan Assault and Halo Wars 2

[tardy turtle]

As well if memory serves, I'm pretty sure Halo 3: ODST doesn't have duplicates either

[obtuse storm]

ODST functions as Duplicates

You both are rookie/buck/dutch/romeo/etc

3. Reach. 5. That's it

[tardy turtle]

I could have swore that one player is, for example, Buck while the other is either the Rookie or another character if present

[obtuse storm]

no.

[tardy turtle]

One moment, I'm going to check

[obtuse storm]

they both spawn as a duplicate of the chapter's character

because if it spawned as another it would break continuity

[tardy turtle]

Coop has rarely cared about continuity

[obtuse storm]

great example: Final mission only has Dare, Vergil, Rookie, and Buck
no player will ever control buck

yes, but coop has always used a relevant character for a situation

I'm not here to move goalposts. I'm calling it like it was as the games launched before they were sunset.

3 had the named elite characters, Reach exclusively used multiplayer cosmetics but each player was technically noble-6, 5 had the specific fireteam characters.

no other halo story campaign has variances like that.

[tardy turtle]

Loading up Halo 3: ODST on my 360, going to Tayari Plaza. Player 1 loaded in as Buck, Player 2 as Rookie. Going to NMPD HQ it's the same; Player 1 is Romeo, Player 2 is Rookie

[obtuse storm]

nope. look again. It's not rookie

[tardy turtle]

It's sure not either Buck or Romeo

With better lighting in Uplift Reserve it is definitely the Rookie. Same grey stripe on his helmet, same blood type on his left pauldron

[analog salmon]

It might be that player 2 is always rookie model

But you don’t play as the second character when there’s two characters in a level

Because bungie didn’t have time to implement it

[tardy turtle]

Correct, yes. But it's still a campaign having distinct player models for co-op, rather than just being a Romeo clone

[analog salmon]

It makes basically no difference. Rookie wasn’t in a lot of those places, but there was an actual character you could have played as

And I’m pretty sure you still hear buck’s dialogue as if your character is saying it as player 2

[obtuse storm]

so we can put ODST in the same slot as Reach just for the sake of equity

same "character" with a different model

god

forgot about it

good times.

[tardy turtle]

I've still got an old picture from my 360 of Johnson smoking next to a "no smoking" sign lol

[analog salmon]

I would say you’re just a no name odst, lore wise there was nobody else there but you’re basically just another odst in the same way in reach, player 2 is another Spartan even though there’s is non lore wise

[teal scarab]

An image in #halo-discussion ... what a day to see it

[obtuse storm]

yeah. That's fair. I rescind my statement on it not visually being rookie though.

[analog salmon]

There is a mod for MCC that fixes this in odst and makes you play as the other character in the level

[terse pond]

Me and my friend Just got disconnected from btb
Guessing this is a normal occurrence?

[obtuse storm]

Xbox has been having issues this morning.

[neon vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/dmc5-gif-14000810

Forgor about that

Stupid gifs

[spark ibex]

#announcements message
When will these be put into the community collection or any respective playlists?

@ treefortree

[crystal iron]

Does anyone else set there controller aiming sensitivity to the lowest and look acceleration high

[finite river]

nah im on low accel and low sens

[crystal iron]

how do you turn around quickly

[finite river]

dunno

idk how ppl play with a high sens

[crystal iron]

the reason I have those setting is so small aiming movements are slow

[unborn basin]

I like how you can't stack a double xp boost on top of another one on halo infinite. You gotta wait for the current one to run out. And if it does run out while you're ingame, you can't get the boost after the game. Pretty sick I really love this game. It's the small things that count

[finite river]

would be better if aim acceleration didnt exist

[crystal iron]

also does anyone know how to bind a button on the controller to change the aiming sensitivity on pc

[analog salmon]

steam controller config

3 accel seems to be the sweet spot

in infinite which is the middle

but same in mcc i go with the middle, only its 5

i imagine the reason games dont allow 0 acceleration is cause of XIMs and such. Kinda sucks if you really do just want 0 acceleration cause you can play high sense with a stick, but a lot of people using 0 accel will be abusign XIM

[civic sluice]

This is untrue, if you begin a game with a boost you will receive the bonus exp at the end.

[signal ivy]

yep, as long as the match starts while the boost is active it counts if it runs out during the match

[devout kite]

Yup

[devout kite]

Idk what to do now since I completed the event and my challenges lol

[velvet cosmos]

Just do dumb things in multiplayer. It’s what I usually do.

[short heart]

average crash rate is 1 per hour

[crystal iron]

weirdly I've never crashed in infinite, even though it seems to be common

[tardy turtle]

Same, I've never had a crash, or really any game-impacting issues

[uneven thicket]

I’m closing in on 8000 games but I’ve probably only crashed around 100 times. I give my PC a lot of headroom and don’t let it run full crank so it usually stays pretty stable.

[lone plover]

Some of the cross-game playlists in MCC need to be changed.

[uneven thicket]

100 would be like the most. It’s probably been less.

[lone plover]

Flooded playlist for example (which has a non-Flood level, Gravemind)

[uneven thicket]

Yeah but it’s called gravemind

Good enough for me

[magic night]

The gravemind is in the opening cutscene

Technically fits the bill, although it does feel shoehorned in.

[outer schooner]

Anyone else getting dedicated server errors on Infinite rn?

[analog salmon]

You could suggest new playlists in the #1082838414057025557 Thread. They’re not going to remove existing playlists

Or change them tbh

[devout kite]

But it have flood in that level

So it makes no sense to remove it

[analog salmon]

I have a feeling they've added some kind of dynamic SBMM, so SBMM gets tighter when the population is higher? maybe it was always like this but before S3 it felt like there was basically the same low SBMM regardless of when you play, but now its like popular modes / peak times there's much more balance?

if so its a big improvement for my matches at least

[magic night]

I'm pretty sure that's always been there.

Just the nature of how SBMM works when trying to strike a balance between queue times, connection, and skill ratings.

[analog salmon]

i felt like it was non-existent before, only thing the SBMM seemed to do prior to S3 is balance stacks. Every so often I would have a bunch of competent team mates in social, and it was because i was playing against a stack

maybe the population is just higher now, we'll see if the SBMM still feels stronger in a few weeks i guess

[magic night]

That would be it adapting at times of low pop to deprioritize skill to avoid not making matches at all.

[analog salmon]

it didnt really seem like the population was that low S2 in something like Quick Play though, like i was getting into games instantly. We'll see i guess

[fallow merlin]

I previously said that Halo 2A stealth elite minors and ultras had the same model. I was incorrect.

There is an almost unnoticeable difference in color. Could only really tell by getting the bodies in the same room and comparing directly.

[magic night]

Had to perform an autopsy on those guys

[fallow merlin]

But there still are plenty of instances of both remasters using the same models for things that had different models in the original. Like the brute minor and major. Exactly the same as far as I can tell. Don’t think there’s any of the variations between same ranks either. Like there were two slightly different shades of color for many elite ranks in classic Halo 2. In remaster it seems like there’s just one. Or the different facial hair colors for brutes. Body hair colors too. There were purple and red crates on Gravemind in classic. In remaster there are just purple. There are many more variations the honor guard councilor can spawn with in classic. Etc.

There’s also the vehicle dashboards not responding to your driving in real time like they did in the original games for both remasters. Lots of stuff like that where the original is actually more detailed. The Library even has a wall appear where there is none in classic graphics and it’s blocking off a health pack and good weapons.

[ruby knoll]

it'd be neat to see a remake of CE (and maybe 2) in Slipspace with rebalancing and such

[fallow merlin]

But the Library also has one of the few instances of the remastered graphics being more detailed. There’s pillars (not sure what you would call them) that have destructible chunks in the remaster. Only time I think CE A added something like that.

[ruby knoll]

2 having infinite style jackal snipers would be so much of an improvement

[obtuse storm]

Maybe when Infinite gets mod tools. I know 343 mentioned looking into supporting them in the future.

wouldn't be 1:1 but people could get close with the assets available without going into copyright territory

[young glen]

I feel the same.

I faced a lot of players pre-S3 that looked like they never picked up a controller before, now things are more balanced.

[fallow merlin]

The art style of CE remaster just doesn’t work for me. It’s fine on it’s own but as a replacement for CE, nah. 2 remaster is much better as far as art style but the lighting is kinda bad throughout.

Those cutscenes are awesome though.

I prefer original graphics and music. Would be nice if they make the music louder in classic cuz it’s definitely not accurate to how it used to be audio mixing wise. And 2 arguably had the best soundtrack.

[magic night]

Do you have an HDR display? I never really noticed any bad lighting but I use an HDR display, so that might be the reason.

[crystal mortar]

bro IGN gave halo 5 a 9/10

TWICE

[tardy turtle]

And?

[crystal mortar]

And they gave wars 2 a 7/10

THEY GAVE HALO 4 (Or as I like to call it, "Call Of Halo") A 9.8 THERE IS NO WAY THESE REVIEWERS ARE SERIOUS

[tardy turtle]

Maybe they liked them? Just because you may not have doesn't mean that's a universal view.

[crystal mortar]

"Expect your jaw to drop at least once on every level of Halo 4’s eight-mission campaign,"

like what?

[tardy turtle]

Yeah, I can relate to that

It was awesome

[magic night]

Back in 2012, Halo 4 was a very graphically impressive game. That's what they were describing.

[steel turtle]

i gotta replay halo 4
the graphics were amazing for 360

[crystal mortar]

tbh the only time I could say my "jaw dropped" in halo 4 was
-Seeing the mammoth, but that was because it was huge
-Being able to drive the pelican
-the broadsword

[tardy turtle]

Well... Again, that's you.

[magic night]

Yeah

[crystal mortar]

eh

I personally think that halo 4 was like a 7 at best tbh

[tardy turtle]

I'll even do you one more: to this day I think Halo 5's soundtrack is the best out of them all. Nothing beats The Trials.

[magic night]

A reviewer is a person with their own tastes and experiences. They are not an final authority on what personal opinions are correct and you shouldn't expect them to share your views.

[crystal mortar]

but that's got a lot to do with:
Trying too hard to be CoD
The redesigns

[tardy turtle]

See, you frame that as "trying too hard to be Call of Duty", when in reality that's just "Keeping up with modern standards of FPS games"

[crystal mortar]

that doesn't make it good

[tardy turtle]

Nor does it make it bad. It just is.

[crystal mortar]

I mean I enjoyed when I was younger

but I was like 5

[analog salmon]

Kill streaks weren’t standard, nor perks. It was going after COD there not really any question

[crystal mortar]

knowing what I know about halo wars 2, I am genuinely surprised by that rating

[analog salmon]

You can like it but pretending they didn’t take heavy inspiration from COD is nonsense

[tardy turtle]

To be fair I assumed it was more related to sprinting as usual

[crystal mortar]

yeah, I can't think of any other games that had that kind of system

[crystal mortar]

bro who do you think I am?

[magic night]

CoD did popularize loadouts and perks, but they were really common around that time.

[tardy turtle]

I'm supposed to know?

Whenever any sort of comparison to CoD comes up, eight times out of ten it's about sprint.

[magic night]

Battlefield, Max Payne, Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon, Crysis, etc.

[crystal mortar]

God how messed up is this fanbase that the automatic assumption is that someone is complaining about sprint even when they aren't

[tardy turtle]

Mmhmm

[crystal mortar]

wait how old is rainbow six again

[magic night]

Goes back to the 90s

[fallow merlin]

I honestly don’t know. Not a huge tech guy. But even in YouTube videos and stuff or on other peoples consoles and TVs it looks off to me. It’s too bright and just weird and unnatural. Imo.

[steel turtle]

also worth noting that ign has multiple reviewers with different opinions
though it couldve been the same person and they just didnt like hw2 that much

[crystal mortar]

i guess

[analog salmon]

Don’t think battlefield in 2012 had perks

[crystal mortar]

but the review on the yt channel isn't even longer than 3 minutes

[magic night]

Battlefield 3 (2011) and 4 (2013) had a perk-like system.

[crystal mortar]

yeah but doesn't battlefield 3 have hotswapping

[magic night]

Specializations gave you certain bonuses for your loadout.

Hotswapping?

[crystal mortar]

switching to different members of a squad

[magic night]

It absolutely did

[crystal mortar]

like enlisted or battalion wars

[crystal mortar]

yeah that completely changes how you compare it to halo then

[steel turtle]

i think the best way to use ign reviews is prob to ignore the score and just use what they say abt the game

[magic night]

How? What makes it incomparable to Halo, but makes Halo comparable to CoD with similar systems.

[uneven bison]

Very off topic, but what’s your guys rankings of halo 5’s missions? I personally don’t enjoy most of them, but my friends argue there are some good ones

[tardy turtle]

10/10, none of them feel like a slog

[crystal mortar]

Bro IGN thinks halo 4 is halo 3

[smoky wave]

Yeah and

It's their opinion in the end

[fallow merlin]

I have noticed a lot of people will say that people only like the Bungie games for nostalgia and then they’ll go on about how they love and prefer 4 and 5. And almost every time you find out that those were the games they grew up with, or they’re right at the age that they would be the games they grew up with. In other words - nostalgia. I really don’t think that peoples love for Bungie games is just based on nostalgia. Especially since I actually really enjoy Infinite and it’s the most recent game. I think when you bring someone brand new into the series they’re much more likely to enjoy the classics than 4 and 5. I’ll be interested to see how my parents who are playing the games for the first time (on 2 rigjt now) compare them all. Im not giving them my personal opinion so I don’t influence their opinion,

[crystal mortar]

I am genuinely surprised by that statement

[smoky wave]

A lot of people really thinks that

[crystal mortar]

although it is a small margin so

[tardy turtle]

So what?

[crystal mortar]

tbh i kinda doubt that, I mean the redesigns were enough to set off like half the community

[tardy turtle]

As was the Arbiter in Halo 2

[uneven bison]

Some were VERY bad to be fair

[analog salmon]

I mean there’s people who love COD so of course there’s going to be people who love a game that blends COD and Halo

[fallow merlin]

Blue Team, Reunion and Swords Of Sanghelios are my favorites.

[smoky wave]

You literally say it, people still liked the redesigns

[tardy turtle]

I've got a post from 2009 ranting about how Halo 3 is fanfiction and not canon.

[magic night]

It's written like fanfiction

[smoky wave]

''well the community didn't liked so I have to say the same'' c'mon

[uneven bison]

Those are the ones I found more enjoyable

[crystal mortar]

dude I hated the redesigns since before I heard people complaining about them

[tardy turtle]

I mean yeah, to be fair it does have some god awful dialogue

[fallow merlin]

The last Chief mission The Breaking is just awful. Perhaps the worst Halo mission ever.

[crystal mortar]

I made a scratch project in like 2012 complaining about it in english so broken it makes a newborn baby look fluent

that's not a lie

[fallow merlin]

But I do like some of the levels. Halo 5 has redeemable moments. I like the hidden weapon variants too.

[tardy turtle]

Cortana would like a word

[fallow merlin]

Some really cool Easter eggs

[tardy turtle]

Or even The Library

[uneven bison]

The level?

[ancient sun]

Is there supposed to be some additional information about the twitter vote?
the waypoint post link is broken.
this one specifically

[young glen]

Thankfully they got rid of the decimal system

[crystal mortar]

i'm told halo 5 had pretty fun gameplay

[fallow merlin]

The secret warden boss fight on the first level

[strange estuary]

I'm tempted to try halo 5 on an emulator to see if it's really as bad as everyone says it is

[smoky wave]

IGN? They still doing the decimal system lol

[crystal mortar]

it's still here

[tardy turtle]

Aye

[smoky wave]

Eurogamer was the one who get rid of it

[young glen]

Oh sorry, I swear they did https://www.ign.com/articles/2020/01/02/announcement-igns-review-scale-just-got-simpler.

Did they just go back to it?

[covert iris]

So I have a few Halo novels, The Complete Video Collection, & 3 comic trades & was wondering what the best reading order to start them is? I seen several different reading orders online & thought I'd ask the community itself. 🙂

[fallow merlin]

It depends. It doesn’t feel like Halo but some people love it. It caters to a more competitive crowd for multiplayer. It has its niche. It’s the most advanced movement Halo game.

[uneven bison]

That one’s pretty bad, for sure. It was just Stupid on legendary

[magic night]

Youre complaining that IGN gave a high review score for a game you personally haven't even played? You've lost credibility with me.

[young glen]

hahaha

[crystal mortar]

honestly I never understood why the community hates having more movement

[uneven bison]

I think nostalgia is a massive reason.

[crystal mortar]

Honestly I was more so surprised that the review was higher than halo wars 2

[tardy turtle]

Describe to us how Halo feels?

[crystal mortar]

Imagine

[uneven bison]

I’m guilty of it too, but man, having default thrusters made combat much more interesting in my opinion

[crystal mortar]

depends on the game

[strange estuary]

Because most people play with a controller lol.

[magic night]

All arbitrary ratings based on the personal preferences and experiences of the reviewers.

[crystal mortar]

i doubt it

[crystal mortar]

k

[tardy turtle]

If all Halo games feel different, then how can a Halo game not feel like Halo?

[strange estuary]

I wish the halo games had more interesting movement because more often than not it's super sluggish

[celest heron]

have you been mia the past several years? There's been numerous essays why they don't.

[crystal mortar]

why are you asking me?

[uneven bison]

Hey!

[crystal mortar]

looks at people who despise sprint

[tardy turtle]

Because you gave that answer.

[steel turtle]

which novels do u have? the fall of reach is prob the best one to start with

[magic night]

You said Halo feels different depending on the game, therefore each Halo feels different.

[crystal mortar]

but I wasn't the one who you were asking

[crystal mortar]

in fact, I never said halo 5 didn't feel like halo

that was someone else entirely

[fallow merlin]

Cortana and The Library aren’t awful levels. They’re just the worst levels in those games. Bad in comparison to the rest of the game. But I don’t consider them horrible or anything. But yeah, fighting only the flood is a bit of a slog. The Breaking does have cool music so I’ll give it that. But it just seems like a throwaway level put together at the last minute. Like no thought was paid to what purpose the level was supposed to serve as far as the world and lore was concerned beyond “a place to shoot bad guys”. It was just repetitious fighting prometheans walking in a straight line. Same enemies. Same environment.

[celest heron]

[crystal mortar]

I'm gonna have to say that you should remove the library from that statement

the library is actually painful

[uneven bison]

The library on legendary gave me a legendary headache

[fallow merlin]

It’s unfortunate because the other two Chief levels in the game are two of the best but his third and last level is just terrible.

[tardy turtle]

Any level could be reduced as such. It's what's going on that's important

[celest heron]

even the CE devs didn't like the library. Well had a lot of criticism of it.

[crystal mortar]

i'm putting infinite and halo 2 in the same tier of "needed to be delayed"

[fallow merlin]

I enjoy a good challenge. The repetition in The Library is supposed to overwhelm you. You’re being ambushed by flood. It’s exciting and creepy. I understand some people may not like it but it has an actual purpose and reason for being like that. Whereas The Breaking is just walking in a straight line fighting the same enemies.

Uninspired level design

[covert iris]

The Fall of Reach
First Strike
Ghost of Onyx
Evolutions
Contact Harvest
The Cole Protocol &
The Forerunner Saga.

For comics I have
The Halo Graphic Novel,
The Legacy Collection, &
The Initiation and Escalation collection.

[tardy turtle]

There was way more going on with Halo 2 (and Halo 3) than needing to be delayed. Bigger was Bungie literally falling apart at the seams

[uneven bison]

That is true. The library didn’t feel like it was boring, just really repetitive. The breaking was just crap.

[fallow merlin]

It deserves criticism. And Bungie have always been hypercritical of their own work. Part of why they were so great. But I do think it and the last 4 missions of CE in general get too much hate personally.

[analog salmon]

Honestly speed running the library is quite fun 😄

It’s all about keeping moving

[uneven bison]

I actually like the maw a lot, I don’t see why people don’t like it.

[strange estuary]

The only ce mission I didn't enjoy playing was the library

[fallow merlin]

Idk why CE gets so much hate for backtracking when so many other Halo games do it too. And those last 3 levels have a different aesthetic and totally different enemy encounters. And it’s not entirely backtracking areas you’ve already been to. There’s plenty of new areas.

[crystal mortar]

I'm pretty sure halo 2 had like 5 remodels and (not counting maps) the only new models were brutes, the prophets, the gravemind, and the new weapons

[uneven bison]

Besides the obvious lore breaking

[magic night]

I liked the Maw, except for the destroy the reactors bit

[crystal mortar]

I mean like
the amount of stuff that was just deleted man

[fallow merlin]

In Halo 2 The Oracle has a ton of backtracking through prior level The Arbiter. Floodgate from Halo 3 backtracks the prior level The Storm.

[magic night]

I'd argue these were very weak levels

[crystal mortar]

backtracking is dumb

[uneven bison]

Man does have a point. I don’t hate backtracking unless the level sucked in the first place. Which was not true in the case of the storm.

[analog salmon]

Floodgate is so different from the Storm I don’t think it really counts

It’s also just a filler level

[fallow merlin]

The Oracle is definitely one of the worst Halo 2 levels. I like Floodgate.

[magic night]

I've never once felt excited to go back and play The Oracle or Floodgate.

[uneven bison]

I usually skip floodgate, but always play The Storm again.

[analog salmon]

Floodgate is basically the end of The Storm. It’s really one long level but because they had to change the map to show the destruction, they made it two levels

[tardy turtle]

Probably, yeah. But what caused all those delays (and was a bigger problem) was stuff like Jason Jones literally dipping from the project entirely to start two others and having to be dragged back. He was barely involved with Halo 3 (really only just the Terminals) and during that whole fiasco Joe Staten was put on administrative leave

[analog salmon]

Like idk how anyone could criticise floodgate

[fallow merlin]

But my point is just that other games did it besides CE. And other games also put you through similar “copy paste” areas as well. Something CE also got criticized for.

[tardy turtle]

I really don't know why people remain so Stary Eyed over Bungie; they were a mess

[crystal mortar]

Honestly I am amazed that y'all are this civil. maybe it's just youtube comments but I've read some of the stupidest takes from halo fans

[magic night]

I found it to have boring combat encounters.

[analog salmon]

It’s a 5 minute level…

[fallow merlin]

They were a mess. It was part of the charm.

[uneven bison]

I’m surprised too. No name calling yet. Can’t say the same about other discord servers

[crystal mortar]

I can barely remember what was in floodgate

[magic night]

5 uninteresting minutes

[analog salmon]

You most likely remember floodgate as the end of the mission The Storm

[tardy turtle]

Whatever you remember it to be, it was "Worse."

[celest heron]

flood were in it

[analog salmon]

Ideally floodgate and the Storm would be one level but it was probably technically difficult to do

[coarse dagger]

We try our best to keep it chill and civil here :)

[crystal mortar]

good

[fallow merlin]

Floodgate is a short little flood level where you backtrack through The Storm. Elites drop in and help you.

[magic night]

I always treated it as its own thing since it changed things up enough to be considered different.

[fallow merlin]

First time they show up in H3

[tardy turtle]

Call me frithy, but a studio that is literally divided with an absentee founder isn't all that charming

[steel turtle]

oooh nice thats a lot
i havent read all of those but definitely start with fall of reach, its the first book and prob the most essential to read before u read any others
id then go first strike, ghosts of onyx, and then whatever u want after, thats kinda how ive read them
in pretty sure first strike continues fall of reach, and ghosts of onyx continues first strike (and the kilo five trilogy continues ghosts of onyx, though i havent read it yet)
a lot of the books are either self contained stories or parts of a mini series of like 2 or 3 books so u can kind of read whatever ur most interested in after fall of reach and its sequels (those sequels arent necessary for lots of other halo books but id def recommend at least reading fall of reach before any other books)

[fallow merlin]

It is it’s own thing. It’s an entirely separate mission.

[magic night]

Yeah. It's sandwiched between two good levels. It just makes it uninteresting to me.

[crystal mortar]

dude the only thing i remember about floodgate is solely because of cursed halo 3

[uneven bison]

I find it funny that a lot of the worst takes I’ve seen come from the halo community. Not any of ya’ll. you’ve all had good points

[crystal mortar]

the flamethrower in cursed h3 is so chaotic that it's the only thing that made floodgate memorable to me

[analog salmon]

It’s based on the same map and you spend 5 minutes finding cortana in the environment you were in during the prior 10 minutes. So to me it’s the Storm after the portal opens and the flood ship crashes into earth

I wouldn’t play it on its own but if I wasn’t done after playing the storm, I would play it

[magic night]

I would say that Floodgate is salvaged by having some of the first proper narrative development in the game, but it was executed pretty badly there by giving long exposition dumps where the cutscene probably takes longer than the gameplay section of the mission.

[crystal mortar]

tbh the flood introduction in halo 3 is kinda stupid in my opinion

[devout kite]

So basically storm2.0 lol

[analog salmon]

Storm 1.9

[crystal mortar]

like there was no buildup, the flood weren't even MENTIONED before hand iirc

[analog salmon]

Last act of that level

[crystal mortar]

and Thel 'Vadam forgetting what the flood were was so dumb, like you fought the flood in your first mission as the arbiter what do you MEAN

[magic night]

Not only that, but the Flood act all stupid in Halo 3, showing no real planning or anything.

[crystal mortar]

bungie was sad about the gravemind i think

[covert iris]

Thank you, sensei! 🙏 😁

[crystal mortar]

the gravemind literally spoke directly to you, face to face

aight i'm gonna go

later

[grave ether]

If you'd call that a face lol

[magic night]

Gravemind is supposed to be an amalgamation of a bunch of intelligent lifeforms with lifetimes of intelligence and experience and he doesn't even wait for everyone to leave earth to invade.

And then commits all his might to the Ark when spreading out would've just guaranteed him easy victory

[fallow merlin]

I don’t know why that would mean the entire studio lacked charm. I actually think that’s part of the charm that they all respected each other and let everyone contribute and give feedback equally regardless of their position in the hierarchy and that Jason could take a break when he felt overwhelmed and let the rest of the studio figure things out. Halo 2 wasn’t all it could have been, but it was still a fantastic game that gave so many people memories for life, and is now looked back on in an almost mythological legendary way as people wonder about what could have been. Not because the end product was awful but because it was so great and they wanted more. Classic Bungie was unique. It felt more like a bunch of dudes you could grab a beer with than a corporation (like modern Bungie and 343). People making games out of a love for it first, not to pump out a product. They loved what they did and built an amazing community in a way only they could.

[steel turtle]

👍

[strange estuary]

Bungie make good game 343 make bad game

[fallow merlin]

I don’t think any of 343 games are bad

4 and 5 are maybe subpar Halo games imo. But not bad games overall. And I love Infinite.

[tardy turtle]

He didn't take a break. He lost interest (as they warned him he was prone to do before even starting Halo 2) and he bailed on his team to start two other projects that he suddenly had passion for. He literally had to be dragged back to Halo 2 to finish what he started.

Neither did they get along and let everyone contribute equally. They literally put Joe in timeout because he and Marcus Lehto butted heads so much.

I still enjoy the original trilogy for what it is and was to me growing up, but looking back there are so many messes throughout, stemming from a studio that bit off more than they could chew and was forced to drag it along.

[celest heron]

people liked 4's story but not the mp and they liked 5's mp but not the story.

[tardy turtle]

I didn't mind both of both

[left snow]

I loved the extra layer thrusters added to combat. Just not the spartan charging and the way sprint + jump + thrust broke maps.

I would love to try just having lateral thrusters.

[fallow merlin]

Everything you’re giving examples for to point toward something negative I consider them a great studio for. The fact that they’d make such a successful game and the studio head would want to move on to something else shows integrity. That’s admirable and almost unheard of. Any other studio head would want to milk the brand for all it’s worth. Everyone did have a say. That’s not to say they didn’t have some personal issues. People still had positions and jobs, but everyone could make comments on things outside their specific role. Everyone could give feedback. They didn’t have a typical structure. It was a mess. No doubt about it. But it was part of the charm and no other company could have made those games the way they did. And we’ve seen what happens when another company tries. Whether you love or hate 343 games or a mix of both - they’re very different. The way they handle the franchise is different. Bungie were unique and they thrived under the hectic atmosphere. Infinite also has a crazy development. And even after the longest development cycle of any Halo game and a major delay, the game - whether you love it or hate it (and I actually really enjoy it personally) released missing a ton of features and could have been so much more. The original trilogy changed gaming. CE innovated shooters for consoles. 2 created a matchmaking system used to this day. 3 took the entire world by storm. They changed the gaming world. They left their mark. 343 with 4 and 5 tried to make Halo more like other games rather than make Halo the trendsetter.

[fallow merlin]

I personally don’t like 4’s story at all. I’ve probably got more issues with 4 than I do with 5.

[unborn stirrup]

i wish there was an open world rpg like halo game

i would play that endlessly

[magic night]

I don't really feel as an outsider looking in, you can really provide any accurate judge of a company's internal structure because you aren't privy to what's happening day to day. You just see whatever they decide to put out to the public after careful curation. I can say that bungie had a good community team, since that's the part you actually interact with, but that's about it.

And as far narrative goes, 4 easily is the best in the franchise for me, for a number of reasons.

[tardy turtle]

"The fact that they’d make such a successful game and the studio head would want to move on to something else shows integrity. That’s admirable and almost unheard of."

I think you're misunderstanding here. It wasn't a matter of "Hey, I'm gonna take a break guys, I'll be right back." It was more. "-Blam!- We've got to really get some work done on-- Where's Jason?" He didn't move on gracefully, he bailed. I don't see how that can be charming at all.

[fallow merlin]

Every single employee who has ever worked there has said that’s how the studio worked. Unless it’s some kind of conspiracy and they’re all lying, I don’t see why there’s any reason to not believe it. If I’m not fit to say they heard each other’s feedback why are you any more fit to say they’re a mess?

[fallow merlin]

And how are you privy to that?

[magic night]

I didn't say they were a mess. I'm just saying that as an outsider, you only see the tip of the iceberg of what goes on. Even someone's personal testimony can only give you a glimpse of what things are really like.

[fallow merlin]

Sure, but when everyone gives the same testimony, there’s no real reason to doubt it.

They definitely were a mess. But there was charm in their unique style and way of doing things. Much less so now that they’re a much more normal typical corporation.

Picking one or two things like Jason bailing and saying you don’t see charm in the company as a result, idk, I don’t get it. But charm is subjective at the end of the day.

[peak forge]

Personally I don't think 343 has had any charm yet

[magic night]

Sure. I guess I just don't see what made Bungie any more or less charming than any other place. Everyone in the ViDocs and b.net blog posts talked about how passionate they were about Halo and they wanted to put out a good game and whatnot, but 343 does the same thing, and just about every other developer does too. Then you hear about stuff like crunch and poor workplace culture and you get conflicting viewpoints at some of those same places. I guess I just don't take things as being so simple.

[covert iris]

Um, noob here, why do people dislike 343? Are they really that bad, or do some people just prefer Bungie's Halo stuff over 343's?

[crystal iron]

both companies were formed in 2 completely different ways, when you have a group of guys who just wanted to make some fun games, compared to a corporate company spawned from MS cash, yeah.. they're not gunna be the same

[fallow merlin]

Without getting into a whole debate about it, cuz I’m sure that would be discouraged here, I’ll just say, that IGN article about the “poor workplace culture” just seemed incredibly disingenuous and misleading to me. Saying there’s charm doesn’t necessarily mean every aspect of the company is charming. Also, that article wasn’t even from the Halo era. It was from Destiny and Destiny 2 era after they started becoming much more corporate and so it was basically trying to be two types of companies at once and problems were bound to arise. Either way it’s not really relevant to what we are talking about or from the same era. And I’d say the same thing about not being privy to the reality of the inner workings of the company would apply there anyways.

[fallow merlin]

Totally agree. One company was people making games out of passion. The other was made synthetically primarily to make Microsoft money from a successful IP created by a different company. That’s not to say the individuals working at the company aren’t passionate. But it’s a totally different vibe.

[ruby knoll]

the second bungie got sucked into microsoft it became corporate

[peak forge]

Bungie was able to release good games where 343 has been barely able to get us F2P Halo filled with microtransactions.... There ya go

[magic night]

I have no idea what article you're referring to, but I was making a comment not specific to any one place, although applicable to a lot.

As far as passion goes, I don't know any game devs you couldn't consider passionate. Nobody makes games because its easy or particularly well paying, because there are easier, better paying jobs.

[ruby knoll]

bungie realllly wanted to have their cake and eat it too imo
they wanted the microsoft cash but wanted to act like they were a tiny indie dev

[young glen]

Did you forget that Halo 4 and 5 exist?

[peak forge]

Unfortunately not

[ruby knoll]

or spartan strike/assault, or Wars 2

[peak forge]

Wars wasn't them

[fallow merlin]

It’s just different. Different vibe, different art style (for 4 and 5), different lore and story direction, different gameplay. Different kinds of companies. And also the way they messed up the launches of basically every game. MCC was a mess. 5 and Infinite were missing tons of content. Etc. But a lot of people love 343’s games.

[peak forge]

And the other is a mobile game...

[ruby knoll]

Wars 2 was far more of a 343i game than 1 was a bungie game

[peak forge]

Don't care about Bungie. And so?

They barely worked on it

[ruby knoll]

Wars 2 had 343i directly collaborate with Creative Assembly while Bungie spurned Ensemble at every possible chance

[fallow merlin]

Did Halo Wars 1 even have the Bungie logo at all?

When you booted it up?

I can’t remember

[crystal iron]

ensemble studios only pretty sure

[peak forge]

Doubtful they had much impact seeing as everything they lead goes bad

[ruby knoll]

muh feelz

[peak forge]

Nope, just results. And in the end, 343 can't seem to get a game right

[ruby knoll]

results like... 4 and 5 being massively successful with Infinite having a pretty strong launch?

[peak forge]

4 and 5 successfull? What timline are you from? Those were both failures

[tardy turtle]

Sorry, saw this late. https://www.vice.com/en/article/xwqjg3/the-complete-untold-history-of-halo-an-oral-history

[covert iris]

Ah, I see. Thank you for responding. 👍

[ruby knoll]

by which metric

Financially 4 and 5 were 100% successful

[peak forge]

By the fact they hide their sales after 4

[ruby knoll]

wut

[young glen]

IIRC they were financially quite successful.

Yes, I was shocked too.

[peak forge]

They counted ALL Halo products in the money made when each released. Meaning merch. The games themselves lost a ton population immediately after release. I was there for both and both sucked

[crystal iron]

collaborate doesn't hold much weight to it, its easy to point be like like "yea I want this, I want it like that"
my gratitude goes to the company who made the game work/feature, did all the code etc.. like skybox labs with forge who had job listings for specifically halo infinite forge

[ruby knoll]

i mean it's not like Creative Assembly or Skybox suddenly would've willed HW2 or Forge into existence without any interaction/help/collaboration from 343i

[peak forge]

You're right. It probably would've gone smoother and more quickly

[ruby knoll]

lmao k

[peak forge]

They have had issues at literally every single turn. Having any faith in them is willfull ignorance

[young glen]

What was wrong with Halo 4?

[strange estuary]

Boring

[peak forge]

Honestly, out of all of 343s I still think that was their "best"

[ruby knoll]

nah, 4 btb slapped

[crystal iron]

Halo 4 I remember mostly functioning fine, other than being pushed to its limits on 360

[young glen]

That's why I'm asking...

Like it's fine to find a game bad, but objectively it was pretty well made. Halo 5 released with some missing content and Infinite we all know what happened there.

[peak forge]

The muliplayer decisions were what really hurt it. The story was actually pretty good

[fallow merlin]

I’m not saying the game devs at 343 weren’t passionate. I specifically said I’m sure they are. But obviously a company made in a much more organic way from the ground up by a bunch of dudes who love games and who actually created the franchise is going to have more passion for the franchise overall than a company created by one of the biggest corporations on the planet specifically for the purposes of making money off someone else’s creation. That’s not to say the developers aren’t passionate. But the higher ups (who have been cited many times by employees and contractors as being huge problems)? Yeah they’re going to be less passionate. They’re going to look at the game from a financial standpoint. Not so much a creative standpoint. And that matters because they’re making the big decisions. Jason Jones wasn’t just an executive. He was a programmer. He was on the ground actually working on the game. Bonnie Ross and others like her weren’t. Halo wasn’t their baby. And 343 has a much more normal corporate structure. So naturally, it’s gonna be a different environment. I’m sure the people actually making the game have passion for it. But when the higher ups lack the same amount of passion, and are specifically put in positions by Microsoft to milk a product as opposed to naturally forming their own company from scratch and making it with the team - yeah, there’s going to be a difference in overall passion, and arguably, charm imo.

[peak forge]

I actually agree fully. Halo 4 BTB is one of my favorite BTBs from 343

[ruby knoll]

the vidocs really did a number on people didn't they

[celest heron]

too many plasma pistols for vehicle drivers

[ruby knoll]

i don't get why people act like bungie didn't willingly sell out to microsoft

lets not act like each halo title wasn't made to hit massive financial targets

why else would halo 2 have a marketing budget twice the size of its development budget

it's not that Bungie wasn't passionate. Just that they were also a business

[fallow merlin]

That’s the same way I’d be privy to knowing how they allow input and criticism from all employees. Because employees told us…..including in that very same article. In that very article they literally say that everyone was involved in the creative process. Why take the article at its word when they talk about Jason but not when they talk about everyone being involved and having a say?

Thanks for the link btw. I’d never read this.

[fallow merlin]

Microsoft tackles the marketing.

[ruby knoll]

Not everyone should have a say
that's how we got Miranda and Johnson dying for shock value

[fallow merlin]

No one said they weren’t. Of course they’re a business.

[ruby knoll]

so I should thank Microsoft for ilovebees, the Believe trailers, etc? Noted

[fallow merlin]

Everyone should have a say. But that doesn’t mean they always need to be listened to. Just means everyone can give feedback and be heard even if it’s outside their specific wheelhouse.

[fallow merlin]

You should thank Microsoft for paying for the marketing budget. Bungie were involved but when it came to the company who actually pushed the marketing, paid for it and published the game that would be Microsoft. I know 42 Entertainment did I Love Bees. Bungie were involved creatively. Not sure about Believe but I’d guess Microsoft made them perhaps with input by Bungie.

[crystal iron]

believe was made by new deal studios, they specialize in visual effects

[tardy turtle]

I wasn't saying that everyone didn't have a say, for that I'd more say that there were too many cooks

[fallow merlin]

It goes without saying that a business is a business. The games aren’t free. They’re making money. As they should. If they didn’t make money they wouldn’t exist in the first place because they’d have no resources to make the games great or pay the employees so they can feed their families. That’s basic capitalism. You provide a service, you get paid for it, everyone is happy. I’m sure the 343 developers love what they do. But the company relies on so many temporary contractors who aren’t part of the team and that sense of camaraderie. Plus the executives aren’t part of the development team, and they’re not the creators of the franchise, so overall the company as a whole is bound to have less passion than a company made from scratch who built the franchise from scratch.

The contractor issue is reportedly a large part of why there’s so many issues with the code.

[crystal iron]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvFHJ3L/

This guy says it all we must find the hidden link for Cross core

I mean yea, I imagine its hard trying to continue someone else's creation, its like amazon trying to expand new ideas into tolkiens universe that stray too far from the OG idea, look how badly that ended

[fallow merlin]

Slipspace is an engine riddled with “spaghetti code” and they’d pay contractors to come in and work on an engine they didn’t understand and by the time they figured it out they’d move on. Then there’d be a ton of issues that contractors worked on but they’d be gone so know one would know how to fix them. 343 relies too much on people outside the company. It’s one thing to be a part of the company and have passion. But to have a huge portion of people working on the game not be part of your studio or any studio - they’re definitely not gonna be as passionate. Because they’re not part of the team.

[fallow merlin]

I still remember seeing the trailer with Chief as a kid in the grass with the little girl

Even my English teacher was excited for a halo 3 and expecting a bunch of kids to stay home that day

And not do their homework.

It was such an exciting time. Something I’ve never experienced from a video game since. The hype was out of this world.

[solid linden]

Is it just me, or is ODST firefight much more fun than Reach firefight? It just feels better to play.

[fallow merlin]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GKDkKKt9Y7I

My favorite video game trailer of all time. Remember seeing it at the super bowl.

[crystal iron]

oh hey, my last couple of pc components shipped, I can replay infinite campaign soon in max settings with no lag ;D

[crystal iron]

It’s not just you

[strange estuary]

I wasn't able to find much information about this online, but is there a reason halo 5 isn't in the MCC other than the reason that everyone hated it

[coarse dagger]

Multitude of reasons

MCC was intended to be a way to play legacy Halo titles on the Xbox One, so that all Halo titles would be available on the same platform. Over the years it has morphed into a sort of preservation project for legacy titles and a developer cut of what wasn't possible back then.

Halo 5 is an absolutely massive title that is already available on the X1, so it doesn't make sense to tear it down and essentially rebuild it inside MCC, which is what you'd have to do. You'd have to rebuild menus, the REQ system, support MTX. You would probably have to drop support for Windows 7 as well at that point.
Ignoring all that, MCC was already pushing limits when Reach and UE4 were added into the mix

[low musk]

I hope Firefight is still in the cards. I've always preferred the PvE element of the games, though multiplayer is fun when I can find the right groups

It'd be cool to have them in Forge too, have Hunters that can be allies, or even Marine AI or Elites, then having to deal with some of the mini brute bosses as a way to end a set or something, but in a cooperative capacity

Or even have those cool turrets already in the forge mode that players would have to either hack/repair into operation, maybe even akin to a tower defense mode. The possibilities are quite enormous

[smoky oasis]

I agree. The potential for PVE in Infinite is insane.

[strange estuary]

Wait does infinite not already have firefight?

[smoky oasis]

No. Currently it's PVE offering is bots.

[crystal iron]

If there would be a firefight I would take grappleshot and energy sword and I would become spider-chief

Spider-chief, spider-chief, does whatever spartan can

[strange estuary]

Ooooof

[crystal iron]

spins a grapple
any size
catches thieves just like drones
look out
here comes the desync

sorry not sorry

[stone raven]

do you want brutes in future games to have the same desgin as teh halo legends brutes?

[wheat zenith]

Hey all, have I missed something? I’ve not been on discord in a couple of weeks. Has the #mcc chat thread been deleted or renamed or something?

[crystal iron]

Ok soooooo I hate to be the one to admit this but I may download Fortnite... Apparently they are releasing some unreal engine modding aka their own forge.

Someone showed a preview of the OG Fortnite map made in this mode. And some Call of Duty looking PVE mode made in it.

It looks pretty fun, not going to lie. Idk man Halo has felt like it just trying to keep up at this point. And feels almost kinda behind in terms of capabilities

[low musk]

There are still lots of things for PvE that would be insane. I would still like a slighter bigger sandbox before then. Mantis for one is a must.

[crystal iron]

Oh crap today is the 22nd of March wow

[crystal iron]

all the channels got archived now its just this one

It feels like Halo is like Apple when compared to Android... It's very much kinda lagging behind. They are barely touching a BR mode, meanwhile the other franchises have evolved and moved on

[coarse dagger]

We have the #1076337363770417172 forum set up now, you can create a thread and tag it with MCC

[ruby knoll]

Map tools have existed for ages

[ruby knoll]

Halo's been behind the curve with maptools until 5 Forge

[crystal iron]

I saw the fortnight one and it's pretty impressive like I see why they keep that #1 slot. They really put in hella effort

comparing anything to proper pc map tools is going to look bland in comparison

[young glen]

Yeah it's crazy

[crystal iron]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvFGBW7/

This is what I saw being made in that

[ruby knoll]

That's industry leading crunch and unlimited money for you

Too bad UT4 died for it

[crystal iron]

I think what is holding infinite back is how hard it is for them to just omemeny things that feel should have been in the game

I think it wold have been a good idea to have like forge for the normies, then have like an advanced proper pc tool for infinite

[ruby knoll]

Would've meant forge would take even longer

[wheat zenith]

Ah that explains it. I was thinking I was going insane 😅 thanks!
And to @crystal iron for your response too!

[ruby knoll]

Though i'm not opposed to a simpler ui thing down the line

[crystal iron]

Honestly most gamers don't even care about that, they just want something that provides them entertainment.

I think the higher ups made a bad call trying to push into the F2P live service model when it appears they were not ready to tackle that kind of monster

[crystal iron]

"I hate to be the one to admit this but I may download fortnite" There is nothing to be ashamed of. You can play whatever you want.

[chrome pasture]

make Halo on Unreal

[ruby knoll]

Ew

[lime robin]

Is that a Toxitricity?

[sullen anvil]

I absolutely hate the challenges that want me to win the game, especially when it comes to someone that sucks (like me)

[signal ivy]

I thought the same thing at first merty

[lime robin]

Lol

[crystal iron]

We'll because to me Fortnite was like the definition of what started the huge push to F2P MTX battlepass model and everyone else tried to replicate it. COD kinda succeeded in that effort but Halo Kinda lagged behind it and now we are given what I feel was the worst immplementarion of it through Halo

[lime robin]

Go into a lobby with people on Discord, comms help a lot.

[sullen anvil]

another issue is that I’m not playing on my main Xbox either. So I’m stuck at 30fps and it’s awful

[chrome pasture]

@signal ivy yeah we get it you people don't like differing opinions

[crystal iron]

Okay. I agree. Fortnite was one of few games that started F2P live service trend

[signal ivy]

what?

[solid ingot]

context?

[young glen]

There were definitely MTX before Fortnite. Not sure about the other claims.
The thing is, Fortnite actually does live service very well, unlike most games

[chrome pasture]

now im labelled as the troll of the server

[signal ivy]

what are you talking about lmao

[young glen]

lol

[crystal iron]

What?

[solid ingot]

Man, i just got here and people are already beefing

why does that always happen

[chrome pasture]

idk i simply said Halo should be on Unreal

[lime robin]

That's the interwebs

[signal ivy]

ok what does that have to do with me?

[young glen]

I think you're confused

[chrome pasture]

@signal ivywhy you posting my pfp like that's weird

[crystal iron]

Oh they do, they became the standard but what I'm saying is they became what other Devs wanted to replicate, that level of success.. but for the most part alot of other studios were not capable of putting in the same.level.ofncrunch it takes to make Fortnite as successful as it is

[signal ivy]

you should look at the context maybe before you start freaking out

[lime robin]

Because I asked if your picture resembled a Pokémon

Nothing to do with you being "a troll"

[crystal iron]

Ok. No one thinks that you are a troll. You shared your opinion and it’s okay.

[signal ivy]

I posted it so Merty could see it better

[crystal iron]

But which one do you use... Which Toxicricity form that is

[lime robin]

The one with the yellow crest

[crystal iron]

I see someone is a fan of No Man Sky... Us that's a cool Gek

Hey can someone explain to me how the cloud gaming thing works for my console...

I want to kinda venture into that so I can have more games on tap

[magic night]

You stream the game instead of download and install it

[crystal iron]

What's the difference

[crystal iron]

You need to have game pass ultimate. Later you go to your library or game pass app and you start a game in cloud

[magic night]

The game runs on a console at a datacenter instead of your Xbox. Like streaming a movie from netflix instead of using the blu-ray/dvd.

[solid ingot]

it lags out occasionally.

[crystal iron]

Imagine netflix but with games. That’s how cloud gaming works

[crystal iron]

Ooooh yea that may be a deal breaker for me, I already have a wired connection and top internet and still get minor lag, so definitely not trying that with Halo Infinite

[solid ingot]

Or halo 5, its weirdly unnresponisve on cloud

[vast halo]

Looking for a Netflix with guns

[magic night]

You could try it out and see how your internet handles it. Play a bot match or two. It takes about the same time as launching the installed game.

[crystal iron]

Right now my games are COD, Halo, MH Rise, No Man Sky, and Elden Ring But by the end.ofnthebuear it's going to add Starfeild and Armored Core 6 to that frey...

[solid ingot]

fellow armored core fan?

[crystal iron]

I'll give that a go, butmil try it with an uninstalled game

[magic night]

Go for it. Nothing to lose.

[crystal iron]

Always. I have a wide gaming pallet in terms of taste

[solid ingot]

I played my dad's copies when i was a kid

[crystal iron]

No man’s sky? Respect

[solid ingot]

Can't wait for to play it for my dad. (he lost an eye from some stupid stuff)

[magic night]

I can't imagine limiting myself to one or just a few games anymore. So many things to play that you'll miss out by locking yourself into something.

[crystal iron]

Right I even have GTA a shot recently but the movement in the game kinda.made.me.dizzy lol

[magic night]

I'm real big on GTA. I need to get back into it. I haven't really played much since I'm trying to clean out my backlog.

[crystal iron]

Your profile picture says everything. You are a big smoke in gta

[analog salmon]

I don’t really get escalation slayer in quick play

It’s a fun mode no?

[crystal iron]

I get it very often

[analog salmon]

Between that and Chasm I feel like the social arena experience is kinda poor

Chasm just needs reworking honestly

[fallen flame]

chasm is a great map

not all maps need to be suited to rank play

[crystal iron]

We need more BTB maps like oasis

[fallen flame]

100%

[solid ingot]

I loved the playlist that forced oasis

I actually learned a map for once

[true chasm]

Hi guy

[coarse vale]

Yo we should have unranked ranked

So we can play ranked games without risking ranked

[stone raven]

why did 343 drop halo down to T for teen?

[coarse vale]

So like br starts and ranked modes

[analog salmon]

Idk chasm is just bad social games for me

[fallen flame]

fair enough

[left snow]

Chasm is great fun. And it works really well for Escalation.

[signal ivy]

343 doesn't rate the games, the ESRB does

[sullen anvil]

Was tier 6 in the event pass, I completed 3 challenges and would’ve been tier 9 but none of that registered apparently so I didn’t get any of my rewards. I love infinite

Is this just simply a menu bug or did I legit not get my rewards

[signal ivy]

did you restart and check for the rewards in your customization?

[sullen anvil]

The menu is bugged I guess per usual but I do have the rewards

[stone raven]

why was the Siege Engine cut from reach?

[magic night]

Don't think anyone can say for sure. Maybe time constraints, maybe they couldn't find a way to fit it in.

[solid ingot]

The wut?

[stone raven]

the siege Engine was a cut covent vehicle from reach I will send you the conceptart

[solid ingot]

Thanks

[stone raven]

well is the vehicle still cannon?

[magic night]

I don't know

[solid ingot]

if it was mentioned in fall of reach, probably

[crystal iron]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvYKYt1/

Dude check this out, ok I have to see what this is all about

Just showed my kid this and boy is the kid excited for there forge mode

Meanwhile I'm still trying to figure out why my damn 1 month of Xbox ultimate hasn't redeemed even though it says I redeemed it a few days ago on the rewards page lol

[stone raven]

bungie hadn;t come up that that vehicle in 2001 lol

[crystal iron]

That link I sent is a TikTok of I guess someone re created GTA in Fortnite.

[stone raven]

I really hope we see the siege engine in a future halo game

[sullen anvil]

Begging infinite fixes it’s menus at some point. On a One S and everything just keeps bugging out or unloading

[ruby knoll]

I have been getting some flickering which i think i filed a ticket for

[crystal iron]

I'm on series X and everytime. I load up emblems it takes forever to render

Sweet just downloaded SIMs and now have all the needed cheats I can just use the app to copy and paste... My sims going to be a billionaire playboy lol

His name will be Balogne Stark lol

[modern juniper]

Ah man I made it this far without having my settings reset until today

[crystal iron]

Lol it's happened to me 3 times

[modern juniper]

Annoying, I don’t remember what I set my weapon offsets at a year and half ago lol

[crystal iron]

343 should do the community a favour and REMOVE CHASM.

Seriously what a terrible map.

[fallen flame]

skill issue

[knotty haven]

When mkiv, mkvi and odst cores😭

[analog salmon]

lmao Linus wanted to use Halo Infinite to play a competitive shooter and he kept getting Escalation Slayer

video trying out a 500hz monitor

[signal ivy]

yeah he uses Infinite all the time for testing

[analog salmon]

yah i always find it pretty wholesome

i get the impression he doesnt have that much time to play shooters and so he hasnt really reached a point of burning out with it

[signal ivy]

I looked up his GT the other day

[analog salmon]

reminds me of when everyone first played infinite

[signal ivy]

https://halotracker.com/halo-infinite/profile/xbl/Misoprostol/overview?experience=overall that's his

[analog salmon]

ah

so he is actually pretty decent

[signal ivy]

yee

[analog salmon]

he must just suck with the AR because he only plays ranked, but then he doesnt wanna go into a ranked match when he's making a video and let his team down

well he hasnt played ranked in a year so i guess he is still waiting for ranked content 🤣

[fallen flame]

Ranked is dead always has been 😂

[analog salmon]

im playing it with kbm on an alt account and they really did nail it with aim friction

idk if the game would have been bigger on PC with aim friction at launch but maybe?

[ivory glacier]

Why are my settings still getting reset? So annoying. I don’t remember what I had everything set at. Shouldn’t that be fixed by now

[analog salmon]

I havent placed yet but I was doing good against low diamond and im really not a particularly amazing kbm player

[fallen flame]

known issue i think for console atleast

[runic shuttle]

where do I go to post game issues?

[ruby knoll]

waypoint support site. Make sure to file separate tickets for separate issues

[analog salmon]

Sub tick updates in Counter strike 2 sounds amazing

Maybe halo should move to Source lol

[crystal iron]

watched the source/unreal editor videos earlier, looks mad

[solid ingot]

Changing engines is hard. Slipspace is fine IMO

the janky physics are great

[crystal iron]

Gmod2 on source2 will be the ultimate sandbox mess around game

[strange estuary]

halo if it was good

[arctic granite]

Hey guys, for a first playthrough of the Halo games, which difficulty should I pick? And is M&K or controller a better experience?

[solid ingot]

normal

[arctic granite]

Ok thanks. Reach is the first game in chronological order correct?

[solid ingot]

Yes

Unless you count halo wars

which isn't even a shooter

its an RTS

[chrome pasture]

"slipspace is fine"
Weren't the devs rebelling by coding Halo content on Unreal because Slipspace sucks?

[solid ingot]

i wouldn't know

[lime robin]

That article is based on unconfirmed rumors

[prisma folio]

Well, 343 moved some of the previous maps back to the quick playlist, but the "behemoth" still hasn't been moved back, and even the "street" has been removed

Is this a system issue or intentional?

[woeful tendon]

In Halo Infinite the event has 20 rewards, meaning it'll take more than a week, but it shows the time limit is only a week. So no one can get the reward? What's going on?

[chrome belfry]

It returns for more weeks during Season 3 to get the remaining items.

[crystal iron]

You are new to this game?

[woeful tendon]

Well ok. Thanks pal, lol XD

[chrome belfry]

Full details here on the first two links, including the weeks:

#announcements message

[crystal iron]

The event rotates 4 times this season

[woeful tendon]

Nope, but only came back during event or new battlepass. And season 2 lasted for 6 months I think, so there were times when I took a very long break.

Now that I think about it, first event was like that too, but I forgot about that til now though. Lol XD

[woeful tendon]

Awesome. Thanks pal, lol XD

[crystal iron]

Season 2 was 10 months long btw

[chrome belfry]

Yes, that and this one are “Fracture” events, which are the multiple week ones.

Other events are just for a week, sometimes two.

[woeful tendon]

Well ok, lol XD

[woeful tendon]

Even worst, lol XD

[ruby knoll]

Nah. It was long but not 10 months. Winter Update was it's own thing

[rugged quartz]

Yeah we had the winter update

[crystal iron]

[teal scarab]

Uhm... anybody else got "additional weekly" mission?
I've completed my ultimate yesterday and I log today to see "Kill Spartans with Power Weapons"

[crystal iron]

It’s ultimate challenge. You need to complete it to get weekly reward

[teal scarab]

Ye, the thing is.
Yesterday it said I've completed everything 🙂

[crystal iron]

You got reward yesterday?

[teal scarab]

Which core got that coating?

[crystal iron]

I don’t know. I didn’t check

[teal scarab]

I have it on Chimera, so I was sure I got it

nvm, I guess that day was full of bugs for me

[jolly sphinx]

Hi

[crystal iron]

But that didn’t count as a full season so it’s still season 2

[teal scarab]

It's actually 2.5 season that counts as Premium in Event Passes

so it's perfect for FTP players

[coarse dagger]

No, Season 2 officially closed off in November - the free track stopped then. Seasons 1 and 2 were 6 months, Winter Update was a shorter free season and now we were in Season 3. Season 2 was not 10 months long

[prisma folio]

When the new map was added to 343 last season, the old map was not removed. Why does it start happening now?

[void sigil]

I hope halo one day switched to unreal engine. I doubt they’ll continue with slipspace in the future, but we’ll see

[obtuse storm]

I hope the exact opposite

[devout kite]

Because map rotation 343 wanted to give us a chance to play the new maps

[crystal iron]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRv6HK8t/

Dear God this is getting crazy
. They got Chief playing COD in fortnight

[crystal iron]

Have you seen what creators are making on the Unreal Creator2.0 thing..

Not sure if Consoles can play those maps though

[finite river]

consoles dont have access to uefn

can only play uefn on pc

[olive brook]

This might sound really stupid but my gpu temps have increased recently it seems, whenever i play halo 4 they're around 40-45 now while they used to be basically stuck at 30

Im not really all that experienced with pcs and stuff so is this normal?

[crystal iron]

You can play the maps that are made on console you just don't have access to the Fortnite Forge mode.

But if you go to discover tab, in Fortnite and have the map Code... You can play those modes

[abstract fiber]

did you install smth new?

[neon vapor]

You can play any of the maps on console as long as it can run it

[olive brook]

just updated drivers but nothing else

only stuff that got installed was some new default windows stuff that literally 3 people on the planet are gonna use

i don’t know

im probaly just going crazy because the manufacturer (lenovo) has been bothering me a lot lately

[abstract fiber]

well, you could use a third party programm to control your fan

but in any way this temps are total ok

maybe its driver related 🙂

[olive brook]

Probaly

I checked some other missions and there it seems to be fine so its probably just my paranoia kicking in

[cosmic geyser]

Y'know, I forgot how fun halo 5 is.

[abstract fiber]

try halo mcc with mnk, its more fun 🤡

[cosmic geyser]

I did start on Heroic which wasn't the best idea but still

[abstract fiber]

try online

aim asisst ruins this game on pc for mnk players

[cosmic geyser]

...ok?

[signal ivy]

it makes it easier for me

I actually switched from controller to mkb after the update and I'm loving it

[white birch]

I need to figure out how to run mkb on my Xbox

[zenith laurel]

You should just be able to plug it in and thats all

[olive brook]

the games feel suprisingly good on mkb

especially h4 imo

[cosmic geyser]

Idk why just saying that halo 5 is, y'know... fun, netted that response.

It's story sucks but I love how it plays.

Though knights are still a pain and if the last time I played it still rings true there's still a stupid amount of Warden spawns

[young glen]

I think someone was just looking for an excuse to vent about aim assist, nothing to do with your opinion.

[rugged quartz]

I like the knights in halo 5, though I wish they had their abilities

[cosmic geyser]

I think one reason I'm struggling against them is because I'm playing it more like it's Doom (2016), which is strange considering that I haven't played Doom.

oh and still on Heroic and still not quite used to it

[cosmic geyser]

Still quite tanky

Splinter Cannons are quite good against them though

[rugged quartz]

Shoot them in their weak spot

[cosmic geyser]

Yeah. I do.

Well at least try

Most of the time their armor breaks barely a few shots before they die

[red tulip]

do i ask a halo infinite related question in this channel?

[obtuse storm]

You can. There's also the #1039633978841374720 forums for more specific in-depth discussion posts

[hushed yacht]

Crouching strafing is borderline busted in Halo infinite. In no other Halo is it this ridiculous, on top of the fact you can lose aim assist mid fight🙄 Like what is this game

[red tulip]

okay. So, there is the new firewall event (or whatever the name of it is), and the game says it ends in 5 days, but from what i got from the community post on steam, it wont end, and i have 3 weeks (plus the 5 days), to complete the challenges, 10 per week. Is that correct?

[obtuse storm]

Correct.

It will temporarily go away until it's scheduled to return.

But will show up a total of 4 weeks throughout the season.

[red tulip]

ok, so i do have time, IF i get to play 2 days within those 4 weeks

[cosmic geyser]

Yeah that warden fight is about what I remembered

I think it was about 8 minutes including the 3 deaths

They really haven't changed at all

[limber fox]

when we will have an update? its Thursday

[coarse dagger]

For Infinite?

As soon as one is ready

[crystal iron]

What was the rationale behind not having BR starts in BTB?

[ruby knoll]

Smelly gun

24 brs in one match at the same time would smell too bad

[lime robin]

Starting with a mid-long range gun would probably not be as fun/be more campy/not incite you to pick up more weapons

If they introduced BR starts I wouldn't play it honestly

[stone raven]

which halo 3 elite armor is the best?

[royal tide]

I have no idea what is the dest amor on halo 3

[raven moat]

i dont know where to go with my problem, but i'm having very bad sound issues, idk why it used to be fine now its horrible. its like mono. i'm using BT headphones, but i disabled my mic so it shouldnt be that

[sullen kiln]

You may refer to #1075989764026675210 if you are in need of community based assistance. This is strictly community sourced and operated and is not staffed by any official members of the Support team.

For official support, you'll need to go to the Halo Support site: https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[royal tide]

Guys which is the dest Halo Infinite amor Is the dest?

[empty rapids]

days where you just pop off with snipers, it's a feeling of pure dopamine lol

[stone raven]

I really wish the some of the scrapped brute interagtion animation's weren't scrapped and instea made it into the final game

[nova lava]

Yesssss

[empty rapids]

they still could be at a later date.

rn 343 is focused on adding to the multiplayer side to the game, once that is at a pretty good/decent level i feel like they can switch gears and possibly work on singleplayer content.

or, they are working on singleplayer content and just not showing/teasing anything. Not out of the realm of possibility, i don't know i don't work there lol

[stone raven]

wait what how?

[ruby knoll]

mmmm maybe less switch gears and more take on SP as well since I don't think that 343 or MS wants the MP train slowing down again

but yeah I certainly hope that's the case. I can see them cutting back on SP staff to focus on MP for a while, but they can always rehire and such. Hopefully this year goes well

[stone raven]

wait didnt 343 say that they plan on rotsring cut halo 2 levels?

[ruby knoll]

oh that's for MCC but I don't think it's going to be part of the campaign but its own thing

[stone raven]

well when do you think it will happen?

[empty rapids]

who knows, mcc team is different from the infinite team

that & it doesn't make sense for 343i to not continue the campaign in a dlc, it's most likely not their priority though. The first season it seemed like there were a bunch of new developers learning how to actually use the in house tools from all the leaks we've been hearing from ex-devs

[ruby knoll]

it's basically a "when it happens it happens" thing the only people who might have an idea are the teammembers

[empty rapids]

so, chances are we're going to see content gradually speed up as the devs get better at using their tools and management comes aroung

Warframe had a similar issue for a while

ton of devs going in and out because of technical in house engine issues and a lack of grounded documentation

of course that's fixed with time and experience

[stone raven]

I hope the mcc team adds drones to reach fire fight

[empty rapids]

🤷

i'm mostly talking off of rumors and what would logistically make sense in the situation they're in

take what i say with a grain of salt

i got family and friends in the industry and a lot of what does and doesn't happen isn't so cut & dry

[stone raven]

during the human covenat war did any elites wear the assault harness?

[fallow merlin]

Is the Spartan ops epilogue cutscene not on MCC?

I can’t find the final cutscene.

I hope they change the IWHBYD skull achievement for Halo 2 so that it actually rewards you for doing all that is required to active the skull in the original game. Which was not just picking it up. Only after picking it up and getting teleported to the streets in an arena you can’t leave and defeating 7 waves of ultra elites (including ones with unique weapons like beam rifles - if you thought sniper jackals were bad these guy are a whole new level) so 28 ultra elites in total on legendary - then the words I Would Have Been Your Daddy would flash on the screen and the skull would activate. There should be a reward for activating the hardest skull in the game. If they insist on giving an achievement just for picking up the skull, fine, but there should at least be an additional achievement for properly completing the skull challenge. Because picking it up in the original Halo 2 didn’t activate anything.

It’s only when the screen flashes and the name of the skull appears on the screen that it activated the skulls (except one of them. I forget which one, but that one didn’t have the name appear on screen). For example the Assassins skull on Regret will appear on any difficulty but it only flashes and shows the name of the skull on Legendary. It can only be activated on Legendary even though you can pick it up on any difficulty. MCC properly only gives you the achievement for picking it up on Legendady. So why the inconsistency for IWHBYD?

[stone raven]

do you think that other studies will get to chance to work on halo games like spin offs?

[haughty moat]

when will cross-core be a thing?

please 343

at least do like helmets or attachments or something

[stone raven]

I feeling like 343 wont make halo games soon

[haughty moat]

i mean in infinite

lol the bot

[stone raven]

that statement is so vague and does not tell us anything like will we get any spin off games or whats going to happen to the halo battle royal

[haughty moat]

i think thats the point

[tardy turtle]

The statement was in reply to people thinking that 343i was closing down.

[haughty moat]

so they don't make promises

[cosmic geyser]

righttt, forgot that in this level that if you die you have to refight the warden entirely...

Pain.

[haughty moat]

halo 5?

[cosmic geyser]

Halo 5.

[haughty moat]

hmm

1-10, what is halo 5

[stone raven]

How is 343 going to make epic halo stories if they dont have a campaign team?

[cosmic geyser]

6 for me

[haughty moat]

same

[cosmic geyser]

I like it but it's not great

[haughty moat]

it would be better if it wasn't a halo game and didn't have expectations

[coarse dagger]

10

[haughty moat]

wow

[tardy turtle]

They don't have a campaign team?

[stone raven]

all this atement shows is that 343 stil struggles with transparency

[haughty moat]

they gutted the campain team

lots of people cut

[tardy turtle]

Huh. Guess they'll just, y'know, hire more people.

[solid ingot]

the economy is in shambles

[cosmic geyser]

I'm on Heroic so wardens just take a very long time

[solid ingot]

warzone firefight is the worst about Wardens

[cosmic geyser]

So doing and having to refight one and then having to deal with 2 knights immediately after+soldiers...

[solid ingot]

he just takes so much ammo

[haughty moat]

They are trying. I think

[stone raven]

like pierre needs to example waht going to happen to halo like will we get any spin off games or new gamemodes?

[tardy turtle]

Why does he need to explain anything?

[haughty moat]

why did we have to fight the warden like, 7 times?

[tardy turtle]

You know, I have to wonder if some people actually play the games, or if they just constantly ask for updates and news.

[cosmic geyser]

Remind me, wasn't there a point where you have to fight 2 at once?

[haughty moat]

3

actually

[cosmic geyser]

Yikes

[haughty moat]

ya

[solid ingot]

to really show off how this man doesn't die

[cosmic geyser]

If each warden takes as long as the first warden did for me that'd be 24 minutes of just trying to kill them

[stone raven]

Because everyone is worried about the future of halo and that vague statement does nothing to reinsure us

[tardy turtle]

I'm not worried.

[stone raven]

well good for you

[cosmic geyser]

I despise the halo 5 knights tbh

[haughty moat]

exactly

[tardy turtle]

I know I'm not alone, so clearly not everyone is worried.

[haughty moat]

I going to come out and say it, I like 5 more than 4

[solid ingot]

i liked how you had to hit them in certain spots to kill them more efficiently

[cosmic geyser]

They are so annoying to kill, I had to use my least favorite weapon in the space elevator just to deal with them.

[haughty moat]

ya, kinda cool

[cosmic geyser]

And then they made them almost never give you an opportunity to hit them in said weak spots

[solid ingot]

they should have (or should) expand on that if we ever see prometheans again

[stone raven]

I hope other studies get the chance to make halo spin off games

[cosmic geyser]

I genuinely had to use the Railgun 🤮

[haughty moat]

-halo wars 3?

[fallow merlin]

How would you rate the other FPS Halo games? Out of curiosity (if you don’t mind of course) what’s your age and what Halo game did you start with?

[haughty moat]

please?

[tardy turtle]

How is that indicative of anything?

[stone raven]

I want a game on the huamn covenant war from the covenant's perspective

[fallow merlin]

I’m curious. I read that 343 decided to make the Banished the enemy halfway through Infinite’s development after they were so well relieved in Halo Wars 2. What were the planning on making the enemy before that?

[solid ingot]

probably the created

[cosmic geyser]

Quick question.

Carbine or Light Rifle?
For no particular reason, I just wonder.

[fallow merlin]

In what game

[solid ingot]

Halo 4 light rifle

[cosmic geyser]

5, specifically.

[solid ingot]

Halo 5 carbine

[cosmic geyser]

I love both weapons but I think I just about prefer the light rifle for campaign

[tardy turtle]

I actually couldn't stand Halo 4's dual-fire Lightrifle. Halo 5's was the best one to me.

[solid ingot]

i thought it was awesome

[stone raven]

do you my spin off game suggestion?

[solid ingot]

if we ever see it again, i want an improved version of that

[cosmic geyser]

Why are wardens so tanky though

actually it's less tank and more that there's not a ton of opportunities to hit the weak spot and not die on Heroic

[coarse dagger]

Halo 3 is my least favorite, really enjoyed 4 and love Infinite. 2 was fun. I'm older that probably most of this server. I started playing CE back in 2001.

[fallow merlin]

Is there any other Halo FPS game you’d give a 10?

[coarse dagger]

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[fallow merlin]

How do you do that

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[fallow merlin]

Ok

[tardy turtle]

Same, to be honest. I don't know why a ton of people regard it as the best. I think it's okay at best; I mean, I still enjoy it, but not as much as 5

[coarse dagger]

I'd probably also give 4 a 10, had a blast playing that with friends. Infinite is probably hitting close to a 10

[cosmic geyser]

I honestly can't remember which halo game was my first

I think it was 2 or 3

[solid ingot]

mine was 4, but i basically only played reach until i got 5

[tardy turtle]

Only thing I can't remember is if I started playing Halo: CE in 2001 at community centers, or in 2002 in highschool

[fallow merlin]

I can’t either. I’m like 70% sure it was CE. But it’s possible it was 2. I definitely started playing before 3 came out. Possibly before 2 came out. But that would have been at friends houses. I didn’t get my own Xbox until the 360 came out.

[cosmic geyser]

I've never actually finished a CE campaign straight through

[tardy turtle]

I remember I used to call the armor (EMM-joll-near) because I didn't know how to pronounce it, and thought it was a military acronym

[fallow merlin]

Played CE and 2 with friends until I got my own Xbox 360 and played them until Halo 3 came out. But I don’t remember the exact year I started playing or what game. I have memories of playing both CE and 2 at various friends houses. I believe I started playing CE with buddies before 2 came out but I can’t be 100% sure.

[solid ingot]

i did own MCC though, i just never went into multiplayer

[fallow merlin]

Me and a bud used to believe one of the rumors about finding the golden warthog on Headlong. We’d do that butterfly sword jumping trick and got our way up to the highest crane on the map. I think it’s awesome that they actually added that hog to MCC Halo 2A Forge as a nod to that legend. Even though it was never real back in the day beyond a billboard, the hunt for it and those types of myths that grew around the Bungie games were so much fun to be a part of.

[cosmic geyser]

For me
Reach 10/10
Halo 3 & ODST 7.5/10
Halo 2 7.25/10
Halo CE 7/10
Halo 4 6.75/10
Halo 5 6/10
Am I missing any? Except for infinite because I haven't played it.

[tardy turtle]

Halo Wars, Halo Wars 2, Spartan Assault and Spartan Strike

I suppose also Fireteam Raven. Man, I want that to come to Xbox

[cosmic geyser]

I've played halo wars but I was referring strictly to the normal FPS halo games, and I've never played Spartan Assault or Strike.

[tardy turtle]

Ah. Then yes, that's all the FPS titles

I need to go on another Lore Run

[cosmic geyser]

I wish I actually finished Reach on legendary

[fallow merlin]

4 was sorely lacking in the Easter egg department. There are some alright ones. 5 definitely did a better job. Infinite was fantastic. I even found a photo of Craig near the spot he first showed up on the demo (I haven’t seen this one mentioned in Easter egg videos).

[cosmic geyser]

I finished it on Heroic which was an absolute blast but I got stuck I think on the fourth mission on legendary

[tardy turtle]

Unless Halopedia is lacking, Infinite actually has less easter eggs than Halo 4

[magic night]

4 had a decent amount of easter eggs. There were a few that weren't even found until the devs mentioned it years later.

[fallow merlin]

The thing about CE that’s so amazing is that if you can find a way to get somewhere you can actually go there with almost zero restrictions. There’s virtually no invisible walls. Halo 2 started to add some but for the most part if you could see it you could find a way to get to it. 3 started to get a little obnoxious with the invisible walls but for the most part allowed a lot of exploration. Reach adding the kill timers for going out of bounds was one of the worst things ever added to Halo. And it definitely kills the urge to explore. 5 actually has some fantastic Easter eggs but you don’t really feel incentivized to look for them. I’m glad Infinite got rid of the kill timers for the most part. They’re still there but not much.

[fallow merlin]

Halopedia is definitely missing a ton of Infinite Easter eggs. Like a lot.

But I wasn’t even referring to the quantity as much as the quality when I said 4 is lacking.

There are some cool ones though.

[tardy turtle]

I dunno, Easter Eggs have always just been an ancillary curiosity to me. The lore is what drives me

[fallow merlin]

The only invisible wall I can think of in CE is far in the water on The Silent Cartographer. And even that one can be bypassed.

[magic night]

Quality in easter eggs is also a weird concept. Easter eggs are what happens when a dev has a little extra time on their hands between tasks. It could be something small or something detailed. I don't think just because there are some really intricate ones it means much.

[fallow merlin]

I enjoy the lore too (mainly in the bungie era. I feel like the 343 games are entirely different universe far removed from what Bungie were going for and often contradictory). But I also love exploring maps and going out of bounds. Especially back in the day when people were discovering new things for the first time and coming up with new methods and theorizing. It’s not so much the Easter egg itself but the fun in looking for them, exploring the maps, and theorizing. Like I said about the golden warthog for example. That wasn’t even actually in the game but people had a blast looking for it anyways. Or the “secret switches” connected to the “trigates” (which were really just a texture glitch) that people had all these crazy theories about. It all led nowhere but it was fun. It was a mystery the community took part in. It’s not really about the destination. It’s about the journey.

[tardy turtle]

Eh

[fallow merlin]

Trying to find the skulls on my own for the first time (I’ve done it with every game without looking it up) is one of my favorite things to do in a Halo game. I always fail to find a good amount of them. But it’s so fun when you discover one on your own. I had the most success with Infinite. Only missed 2.

And one of them was because someone misled me.

I specifically told him I was trying to find the one on the second level and was frustrated but I didn’t want any hints. And I said something like “if it’s in the starting area where there’s a bunch of kill timers I’m gonna be mad. You can’t put a skull in an area that discourages you from exploring.” He responded with something like “then you’re gonna be mad”. Implying that’s where the skull was. I don’t know why he said that right after I told him I didn’t want hints, but that isn’t even where the skull is located. So I was looking in the wrong spot convinced it was in that area when it wasn’t.

And the other one I missed is the one that doesn’t even tell you what level it’s in (all the others tell you the level or the open world area it’s located in) and you need to not kill or maybe not damage (I forget which) any of the sentinels in the level in order for a light bridge to activate and a door to open. Was never gonna find that one because it’s the only skull where they don’t tell you where it is and it’s the only one that requires you to do something special to find it beyond just “find it, pick it up” And this was back when you couldn’t replay missions.

But 10/12 (I consider it 10/11 because if I wasn’t misled I think I would have eventually found the one on Foundation) isn’t bad. Next game I’ll get them all without help🤞

[tardy turtle]

Huh. I just saw an unintentional correlation. Playing Long Night of Solace in Halo Reach, and the Sabre Facility is next to Farkas Lake. One of the major characters in my books is an ODST from Reach, Aliz Farkas

[fallow merlin]

I love that mission. They need to fix all the missing things on the beach. Someone in the general chat channel pointed out all the stuff missing on MCC.

You can make that starting part on the Beach an unofficial Firefight mission. Just see how long you can hold out.

[ivory glacier]

Game crashed again. Settings re set again. Can’t do this again tonight

[left snow]

Solid 9.5

Campaign was better on the second play through (once you disengaged from the pre-game hype). Just had to ignore some of the overly cringing dialogue.

Multiplayer was very good.

[pulsar widget]

For some reason my weapon offsets keeps resetting on a daily basis.

In halo infinite

[exotic vigil]

Do they have a gun to your head?

[tardy turtle]

No dialogue can be more cringe than "...To war." and "I do not trust you. He may, but I do not"

[exotic vigil]

Tanakas speach wins imo

[tardy turtle]

Nah, wasn't all that bad

Had heart

[exotic vigil]

Was missing brain

[tardy turtle]

The best is still Rtas'

[pulsar widget]

I like halo 5 but I don't love it just like the rest of the 343 games. Not the worst game but Definitely not a 9.5.

[fallow merlin]

I don’t think “to war” is that cringey. I never gave it a second thought until I saw others point it out. It’s a little goofy but the Bungie games are full of that. Part of the charm. And the “I do not trust you” line is basically Halo 5. I mean it’s a cutscene for 343i’s Halo 2 remaster put in the game to promote Halo 5 (Halo CEA in a lot of ways was promotion for Halo 4 with the terminals and the Forerunner art style, and Halo 2A was in a lot of ways promotion for Halo 5 with the terminals and the intro and outro cutscenes) using Halo 5 characters, Halo 5 Arbiter armor, taking place during Halo 5 (well kind of, I don’t see how it can even be canon once Halo 5 released). I’m glad they took it out of the game and just made it viewable in the menus.

I definitely prefer the Swords Of Sanghelios design in that cutscene though. Much better than the storm elite but with a red paint job model in the final game. They look really cool with the red and gold.

[fallow merlin]

I was just about to mention it. Awful.

Buck and the Arbiter don’t even feel like the same characters in Halo 5. It’s cool to see them again but they both feel like uninspired caricatures of themselves.

[fallow merlin]

5 feels like it’s supposed to be an expansion DLCs of a game that was never released. And Infinite feels like it badly needs an expansion DLC that will probably never be released. (ODST also feels like a DLC but that’s because it originally was intended as one)

[cosmic geyser]

Why is the energy sword so bad in 5

[prisma cloud]

5x the fun

[cosmic geyser]

It's so inconsistent

[prisma cloud]

I'm sure a sengali is selling them as souvenirs in Phoenix somewhere

[left snow]

I really didn't like it on the first play through.

It was nothing like the teasers.

But just before Infinite I decided to do Legendary. And really enjoyed the game play.

But some of the chats between the Chief and Blue team made my ears bleed. 😦

MP was awesome. Except for Spartan Charging and thrusters working in all directions.

[exotic vigil]

Idk for me the story is most important and 5s was just awful but I’m glad you enjoyed the gameplay I thought it added some cool movement abilities

[rugged quartz]

What’s supposed to be so wrong with blue team chatter?

Thrusters are awesome in 5

[left snow]

There were some very cringy bits. Urgh.

And yes. Loved the thrusters. But they were overdone in terms of forward movement. First with Spartan charging... and then how sprint -> jump -> thrust broke maps.

I would have loved they stayed as default - but just tied to lateral movement.

[fallow merlin]

I only recently realized you can actually see the Lekgolo worms moving inside the Harvester in Spartan Ops.

[fallow merlin]

What game has the best looking elites?

For me I’m split between 2, 2A, Reach, and Infinite.

[finite river]

2A

[fallow merlin]

I don’t know what they were thinking with 4 and 5 elite designs (though 5 is an improvement on 4 overall but it’s still lacking in many ways, and the lack of a truly different model for the Swords Of Sanghelios even though they had a cool one in the 2A intro and outro cutscenes was lame) or their AI for that matter. They’re no longer agile or smart. They’re just big and bulky. They don’t bob and weave and dive any more. They just stand there. If they wanted them to be more like brutes then they should have just used brutes. They even had an actually cool design for the brutes in the Halo 4 intro cutscene. But Infinite makes up for their failure. Those may be the coolest elites ever. They’re like a mix of Reach and 2A.

[finite river]

can say that for those games in general tbh

[fallow merlin]

Infinite blue elite mercenary armor is taken almost straight from Halo Reach concept art.

[dusty ice]

Why halo infinite still stuttering with VRR on Xbox?

[finite river]

because vrr isnt supported

[crystal iron]

Man I keep getting TikToks for that Fortnite Creative 2.0 and im like dear God, I wish Forge was already at that level.

Don't get me wrong Forge is pretty epic, and the forgers have some some insane stuff.. but have you seen what people are doing very there at the FortNite camp...

Like I know I bring it up a lot but man I'm just impressed with what they did. I haven't checked it out personally but I hear that You can play the gamemodes on console but you can't access the Edit tools.

Which other than that it looks to kinda blow Halo Infinites Forge out of the water.

There is one map that has a freaking dragon.

Also some already recreated Blood Gulch in Fortnite

Hats off to those guys.

Also I think the creators there can receive financial compensation....

[empty rapids]

i just had a wtf moment, infinite crashed at the main menu and i was mad confused

forgot i left open like 3 3D artist software open that are super gpu intensive lmao

[little trench]

Blood gulch was already in fn b4 creative 2.0 lmao

[crystal iron]

Someone made it even better. I hope these tools come to console soon.. I have seen so much stuff that intrigues me. Like Im.nktna forger but the level of detail and scenarios that have been created in that new 2.0 are insane.

Hopefully forge can pick up the pace and get to that level soon. I can only imagine what could be created on Halo Infinites Forge if it had that level of Details that can be tinkered with

[empty rapids]

what do you mean

i've seen some insanely detailed forges that probably hinder performance past a certain point lol

[empty rapids]

also, commando slaps the br at mid range ngl

granted you can't miss a single shot but the ttk is just so fast

[full warren]

I am so tried of unbalanced teams,

going 2/18 in a slayer is just bannable

[grave ether]

Yeah, punish the guy who struggled their best but became an easy target for the guy that was super skilled on the other team. That makes sense

[full warren]

First of all he should not even be in the game

worst of all how the game thinkgs its fair to put two negative kda players on my team vs a team of Diamonds or higher

I am not lucid, I can't carry them (but the game thinks I am obviously the master chief reincarnated)

The match making system need to be fix bascily

[sleek hatch]

Do vod reviews, there's always something you can have done better, maybe you should have backpacked, ran in a trio. Maybe hold a position and anchor a spawn. Teammates don't help but you can help your teammates be more successful. Maybe if you helped him a bit more, he could have went 6 and 13.

Everyone has bad games.

[full warren]

It wasn't even close game. there is nothing to do when they literally don't even shoot or miss every shot, I think they had like a 10% accuracy

It wasn't just him it was him and his duo friend both have negative kda I can't hand hold two people