Fixing up a mistreated VORON Tridend - FIRST EVER BUILD

[wide linden]

Used to be a specific FNV mod

After that it was Stalker

And now it's actually a mod for a VR game

[wide linden]

Final bits printed

Theoretically this should be all I need to reassemble the printa

[wide linden]

Started working on the belts. Learned 2 things:

1. my X axis is more crooked than my town's police department
2. the XY mount is weird and I should maybe just use the printed one, because this one has the bearings that the belts ride on loose, like, they can pull apart and stuff

[wicked falcon]

they can pull apart and stuff
I'm not following. Those look like good gates idlers in the pictures.

[wide linden]

Nonono, the bearings, lemme take a pic

[wicked falcon]

Two stacked F695? That is normal.

The printed joints are the same.

[wide linden]

Really?! No way...

[wicked falcon]

Ok, you are just missing the shims to hold them together.

[wide linden]

Lemme check

[flint veldt]

Yea thats missing a shim but otherwhise its fine

[wide linden]

Theres like 3 or 4 mm of play

I suppose they are 1mm shims...

Oh yeah nvm yall are right its fine

XF

What a stupid mistake, forgetting shims...

At least I learned now rather than AFTER assembly

I shall never ever doubt anything anyone here says ever again

[wicked falcon]

Yeah, I'm going to say 2mm of play taken up by 2x 1mm shims.

[wide linden]

....okay smartypants /j

XD

(For legal reasons, that was a joke, I greatly appreciate the help)

[autumn storm]

Remember you still owe me those 2 bitcoins btw

[wide linden]

RIGHT! Nearly forgot

[autumn storm]

https://tenor.com/view/whew-goldblum-gif-9488217759752037566

[wide linden]

NAAAAH DUDE my dealer scammed me tf is this xD

Didnt know I had the capacity to fuck up this bad

[flint veldt]

and another one

[wide linden]

?

[autumn storm]

I'd be lying if I said it's the first time I see this

[flint veldt]

its funny cause it happens to like every new builder

[wide linden]

XD

[flint veldt]

instead of a days without work accidents we count the days without that kind of build error

[wide linden]

"Why does this movement feel so gritty-"

[flint veldt]

suffice to say but dont leave it like that

[wide linden]

XD

Believe it or not

I realized that it might cause issues down the line

XD

[autumn storm]

Also the disconnected motor wire could be an issue later

[wide linden]

Thats intentional

Dont wanna spin the motor, cuz I dont know if the driver would appreciate acting as a generator

I know they probably got diodes there

But still

[flint veldt]

good!

[wide linden]

My X axis seemed square, but after installing the belt, its crooked, I assume thats not normal? Or is that just caused by the belt pulling on one side unevenly?

[flint veldt]

is it just me or is that belt not parallel to the extrusion on both sides? 🤔

[autumn storm]

linear rail as well, doesn't seem fixed at the ends

[flint veldt]

thats fine it will go away once you install both belts and tension them equally

[wide linden]

Correct. With the positions of the bearings/idler thats the only way that could go

[flint veldt]

yea might wanna think about using printed xy joints then.

aliexpress stuff is doing aliexpress stuff and the designer of those parts might have just used the completly wrong belt spacing then what voron uses for their current version

[wide linden]

Thats just old lube making it look like that. The rail is fixed

[wide linden]

I have printed XY joins

Should I use those instead?

[flint veldt]

yea then id suggest you use them!

[wide linden]

I knew it was a good idea to print them

[flint veldt]

having belts not parallel to the extrusion will cause all kinds of accuracy issues that you will never be able to get rid of

[rigid token]

Are the belts not supposed to go over the front of that mount then out the back? I dunno if that’s possible or if it would correct the belt alignment though

[flint veldt]

i .. yea .. something is off

@wide linden could you post pictures of both xy from the front?

[rigid token]

Also. What tap is that?

[flint veldt]

vitali

[flint veldt]

seams correct .. yea go with the printed xy joints then

[rigid token]

Alright yep. Belts are going the correct way on the TAP then.

[flint veldt]

yea thouse xy joints are just garbage

[wide linden]

You know

Lets say

I had a hunch

That if the metal TAP was garbo, and the CNC joins would be garbo too

Seems like I might have some good ideas sometimes xD

[flint veldt]

na the tap is good since it presses the belt against the carriage. some thing that the stock stealthburner carriage does as well

[rigid token]

Wait a minute… what’s the diameter of those toothed pulleys? The toothed section of it?

[wide linden]

The one that WAS thwre

The chaotic lab one

[flint veldt]

oh .. maybe idk 🤔

[flint veldt]

they look fine to me 🤔

[rigid token]

I’m wondering if they are the 16t ones instead of 20t. If so that would have the belts too far forward and be the issue.

[flint veldt]

ah yea could be

[wide linden]

Bit awkward to measure, like 12-13mm?

[flint veldt]

or the aliexpress special xy joints are just bad

[rigid token]

They should be 12mm diameter in the toothed section. So yea. Thats correct.

[rigid token]

Eh. Was worth a shot.

[wide linden]

Hold up, I can tell you if they are 16T

[flint veldt]

oh yea!

[wide linden]

As these are from Katten

[rigid token]

No need. I just measured both of mine. 🤣

[flint veldt]

na if it where 20T it be thicker

[rigid token]

9.5 for 16t. 20t is 12

Benefit of a lot of printers is. I have a lot of parts laying around. 🤣

[flint veldt]

yea lol

[wide linden]

Yeah 20T

I ordered the correct idlers. Woooo. Bow before me

Anyways

I was secretly hoping to use the printed ones

Because they are GREEN

And thats the main reason Im building this printer

So thats its GREEN

[rigid token]

Green printer that is definitely not good for your carbon footprint.

[flint veldt]

black and green is an interesting color combo

[wide linden]

I wantes to do green and pink

But I couldnt find pink ASA

[rigid token]

https://west3d.com/products/ambrosia-asa-filament-of-the-gods-1kg-bambu-friendly-cardboard-spools-premium-3d-printing-filament?variant=46039863034068

(I know your not in the US sadly)

[wide linden]

Yeeee

I decided to do green and black

And maybe one day get back to green and pink if possible

[flint veldt]

black is the best color either way

[rigid token]

That link is to the pink ASA. Lol

[flint veldt]

yea but shipping to europe would be meh

[rigid token]

It’s ambrosia. I’m sure someone over there sells it.

[flint veldt]

but if your wiling to use abs 3djake has a pretty pink one: https://www.3djake.at/3djake/abs-pink-4?sai=21905

[wide linden]

I also have a 30% discount on all Spectrum filaments, sooooo

Kinda hard to beat xD

[rigid token]

Gotta shop around sometimes. Lol

[wide linden]

CTech too, but I wouldn't trust them with shit xD

[wide linden]

Maybe when I get an ABS capable printer xD

My own one, I mean

[flint veldt]

if you can print asa you most definatly can print abs too

[wide linden]

Using the X1C is a PITA

[wide linden]

Yeah I know, but I don't want to use the X1C more than I have to, it's a pain because I can't print more than 1 plate per day (whenever I finish my shift) and I have to pick up the parts the next morning

So printing there is a nightmare

Those are some pretty colors though

Big fan of these neon/hot colors

[flint veldt]

thats fair haha :D

[rigid token]

I like my X1C. But I’m liking my newest build even better. Nearly 50 hours on it so far which equates to roughly 120 hours on a X1C. It’s a fast printer. Lol

[wide linden]

Its a work X1C that we dont have time to maintain, so its not a fun machine

[flint veldt]

yea loving my Tridentbert .. prints soooooo nicely

but filled materials are like a super cheating code

[rigid token]

Oh I don’t maintain mine at all. 🤣. It’s got over 2k hours on it with little to no maintenance.

[wide linden]

Idk how much ours has, but it needs a full round of maintainance and parts

[rigid token]

Tridents are the king

[flint veldt]

yea! im hoping for my v2 to be equally as good

even if a bit slower cause toolchanger and all that

[rigid token]

Dang it… unrelated to this log but it appears 300w is not enough power for 135c with 2 24v bed fans running 12v at 100%.

[wide linden]

I read up about all the different VORONs and the Trident seemed like the one for me

The flying gantry on the V2 is really cool, though

[flint veldt]

yea v2 gets points for beeing fun to look at but tridents are better for printing fast and at higher chamber temps :P

then again tridents suck if you intend to build a toolchanger (like i am right now)

[flint veldt]

do yourself a favour and use a washer here

[wide linden]

I dont have M5x30 button heads, will socket heads here be okay or should I order BHCS?

Or use a washer, yeah

[flint veldt]

yea shcs will do fine with a washer

[wide linden]

Not an issue

I got a morbillion of those

[long trout]

@rigid token stop scope creeping here!

let man rebuild a printer first lol.

[rigid token]

You have a Santa hat!

[wide linden]

Its not scope creep, its timely enhacements

[flint veldt]

no

[flint veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460117602945990668/1441852910907424959/IMG_8917.gif

[wide linden]

Uhhh

A little big maybe

[flint veldt]

perfect

[wide linden]

....you think so? XD

[long trout]

I do

[wide linden]

Oh great old ones of the VORON discord, are my belts done correctly?

Well, Belt. Singular. For now

[rigid token]

You didn’t do the thing. You’re off to a great start! Don’t worry about tension until both belts are on.

[wide linden]

The thing?

[rigid token]

It’s pinned somewhere in #voron_trident_questions

[wide linden]

Oh no I did

I just found out early

XD

[wide linden]

.

[rigid token]

You didn’t have to admit to it.

[wide linden]

So its correct and I can snip snip the belts

[wide linden]

Nah, Im many things but not a liar

[rigid token]

Leave a bit excess. Like 1-2cm. But yes.

[wide linden]

.....how do I leave -1cm?

/j

[flint veldt]

looks good!

[wide linden]

Hell yeah! Well. Goodbye extra belt.

[flint veldt]

yea id leave about 1cm each side

[flint veldt]

well leave 4cm each side

its a lot easier to shorten lengths once both are actually properly installed then adding length if you cut them to short

[wide linden]

I did 3

I thought I was being cleaver leaving a bit more

Xd

[flint veldt]

yea good enough

[wide linden]

Welp, hopefully I didnt fuck up!

:D

Ugh

Time to undo all that hard work...

[flint veldt]

yep

and make sure to cut both belts to the exact same length .. as in the same teeth count!

same teeth count is super important

[wide linden]

Ill keep it in mind. The VORON manual was very clear about that too

XD

I should count the teeth, huh?

Sigh

Here we go....

[flint veldt]

no just put it on the ground and tape it on one side to the ground and see that its the same length

[wide linden]

UHHH

Yeah

[flint veldt]

https://www.printables.com/model/1192440-belt-runner-gt2-belt-length-matcher

[wide linden]

Tape

I was

[flint veldt]

there is also this if you wanna make totally absolutly sure

[wide linden]

For sure

Using that

Hehe

[flint veldt]

[wide linden]

IF IT WORKS IT WORKS

....tape is a better idea...

[flint veldt]

do that on the ground but yea

[wide linden]

Wait

[wide linden]

Why not do that

On the ground

By meshing the belts

[flint veldt]

oh with that it doesnt matter

but if you dont have that then put them on the ground. tape them on one side

[wide linden]

No like

Why not place the belts on the ground

One belt flat side on the ground

The other lying on it, the teeth meshing

And then cutting 1 tooth ahead on the top belt

Or hell

In my fingers

I think @rigid token mentioned that

[rigid token]

In fingers is what I do

[wide linden]

That sounds a lot better than the tape

And then tape to make sure

[flint veldt]

yea i mean everyone has their own method 😅

[wide linden]

Uhh, hope I didnt upset you by thinking of my method

[flint veldt]

oh no! just saying ask 3 people and you will get 4 answers :D

[wide linden]

XD

[rigid token]

Ask 1 person and you get 20 different answers sometimes.

[flint veldt]

Yea true

[wide linden]

Okay I am 99.99% sure they are the same length

[flint veldt]

Then should be fine then

Its easy enough to take them back out later to check again with the printed g2 belt length matcher if the need arrises!

[wide linden]

I presume there is no way to know that they are the wrong length after installing?

Like how do I know thats the isssue

[flint veldt]

If you have to tension one belt more then the other to remove belt induced racking then you know that both belts arent equally long

[wide linden]

Okay

Welp

This seems fine

Lets do this

[wide linden]

Counted the number of teeth

Left over on both sides

It matches

[flint veldt]

they should be sticking out the same length on both sides!

looks like you would need to pull the lower belt one tooth out more on both sides

[wide linden]

Just the ones above one another, yeah?

Thats the case, just a weird camera angle

[flint veldt]

kk just make sure that belts are pulled out the exact same length on top and bottom

[wide linden]

I counted the number of teeth each one

The ones on the left both have 14 teeth

[flint veldt]

yea then looks good just looks a bit weird on camera

[wide linden]

And the ones on the right have 9 teeth

[flint veldt]

thats perfect 👍

[wide linden]

I've made a lot of progress today

I've 100% finished the gantry, including belt tuning

And I've started working on the toolhead, but that still needs a lot of work (mostly because the wiring on the old one was SHITE and I want to do better, so I need to cut down the wires a bunch and really properly organize them on the A4T

[flint veldt]

a4t is gonna serve you very well 👍

[wide linden]

I hope so. The A4T seems like a really good design. I'll probably be rebuilding it at some point with a different hotend (don't want to keep bambu long term)

[wide linden]

I JUST SPENT FUCKING
2 HOURS
TRYING TO GET THE ORCASLICER 1.3.2 APPIMAGE TO LOAD
ONLY TO FIND OUT IT CAME WITH THE WRONG FUCKING WEBKIT LIBRARY
I'M GOING TO STRANGLE SOMEBODY

[autumn storm]

https://www.printables.com/model/1192440-belt-runner-gt2-belt-length-matcher late to the party but this exists

[wide linden]

Jakob sent that too

[autumn storm]

Ah true

[wide linden]

Toolhead finished (?) Thoughts?

(The loose cable is for the TAP)

[flint veldt]

Looks pretty good!

[wide linden]

No obvious errors?

If not, then its time for the final sanity checks and then powering the machine on

OH GOD DAMN IT

.

WELP

Guess Im glad I found these were shit sooner rather than later

[flint veldt]

Maybe double check thouse wires, seams like one has a flipped polarity

[rigid token]

The left side one is a thermistor… it has no polarity.

[wide linden]

Put a tiny bit of weight on one of the corners and it instantly snapped

[wide linden]

Was moving the bed by rotating the screws. Noticed a white mark on the mount, which is what styrenes do when they stretch and get damaged

[wide linden]

More like the layers delaminated, but yk

[flint veldt]

Ah ups

[wide linden]

Everything is assembled IMO. I assume I have to snip the belt?

After that, anything else before I plug it in?

[flint veldt]

longer is better because it makes putting the belts on later a lot easier

but it leave it be fore now and do a couple test prints

can always jut it shorter later on

can also ziptie them to the wires on the toolhead

[wide linden]

Okay yea

I was worried theyd interfere with sensorless homing

[flint veldt]

maybe but try it and can always cut the shorter later

[wide linden]

Okay

I thnk its time to plug it in

Uhhgggg

I dont like this feeling xD

[flint veldt]

you can do this!

[flint veldt]

have you plugged in your toolhead? looks like its not plugged in? 🤔

[wide linden]

I have right after I took th3 pic

XD

[flint veldt]

ah okay okay!

[wide linden]

Hmmm

I cant seem to connect to the klipper interface

And the little screen says

The message changed

[flint veldt]

might be a good idea to open the web interface and send us the log file

[wide linden]

Yeah I am trying to connect to the web interface but I can't

Hmmm, I can connect to the BTT KNOMI settings

[flint veldt]

no not the knomi settings menu. Klipper has its own webinterface (using either mainsail or fluidd) that lets you controll the printer

[wide linden]

I am attempting to connect to 192.168.50.200:80, but the connection is timing out

[wide linden]

I know, I am trying to get there

But I cannot

[flint veldt]

machine is hardwired via an etherne cable i assume?

[wide linden]

WiFi

I can try ethernet I think

[flint veldt]

ah! yea please connect an ethernet cable directly ot the pi and try again

ah you have a manta .. yea connect the cable directly from your router to the manta's ethernet port

[wide linden]

Hmmm

Still nothing

Even though it KNOMI says its connected

I'M IN

https://tenor.com/bimC7.gif

Idfk why but the IP was different than what I set it to in knomi

a little Linux Terminal -> NMap did the trick

[flint veldt]

afaik the ip in the knomi is just so that the knomi knows the ip address of the printer

but i basically nothing about the knomi so i could be wrong here

[wide linden]

Hotent fan ain't turning

that's odd

The hotend heater works

the bed does too

[flint veldt]

mhm

check if its configured correctly ([fan] section in the config)

[wide linden]

steppers are turning correctly

[wide linden]

looked. The pin seems to be correct (PA1)

[flint veldt]

just PA1?

[wide linden]

That's the pin

[flint veldt]

or "ebb Name":PA1

[wide linden]

OH MY GOD SENSORLSS SEEMS TO BE WORKING

[flint veldt]

seams to be ok

[wide linden]

Hmm

When I try to home Z klipper says "ENDSTOP STILL TRIGGERED AFTER RETRACT

It says that the Z endstop is triggered

[wide linden]

It's probably a config issue but I can't seem to crack it

If anyone has any ideas I'd be overjoyed to hear em

So it seems I have 2 issues:

1. Hotend fan not working
2. Z home not working

[wide linden]

Well this sucks :/

A cap on my TAP PCB is gone

[wicked falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/rosadita-oof-vicente-del-bosque-ufff-gif-11596951130574306516

[flint veldt]

Average fystec quality ig

[dusk cypress]

isnt that a diode with the label d3?

[wide linden]

Yep

Resoldering it fixed it

IT WORKS

THE TAP WORKS

[flint veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-oh-ohboy-gif-18483789

[flint veldt]

in case you arent aware: https://www.klipper3d.org/Bed_Mesh.html#adaptive-meshes

just make sure to enable "exclude objects" in the slicer

[wide linden]

Right now Im just running calibrations

.....huh

[flint veldt]

#klipper_kalico_discussion message

https://canbus.esoterical.online/troubleshooting/timeout_during_homing_probing.html#timeout-during-homing-andor-probing

try whatever esoterical suggested and if that doesnt help maybe ask in #can_and_usb_toolhead_boards

(but if i had to bett i would say the btt pi clone is to blame)

[wide linden]

Ahh okay makes sense

Thanks a lot!

I just need to figure out the hotend fan

And then

Guess what?

Time to benchy

[flint veldt]

dino clip!

@frank pasture we need you

https://www.printables.com/model/64493-dino-clip-mechanical-cam-chip-clip-print-in-place

the new meta .. they are just as usable for printer calibration and can be used afterwards instead of landing in the garbage

[wide linden]

Hm. Interesting

I dont trash my benchies, i like showing them off

Like trophies

But yeah

[frank pasture]

Down with benchie!!!!!

[wide linden]

Thanks for the tip :F

[wide linden]

Damn

Got some real benchy haters up in here

[flint veldt]

yepp

my priners already produce enough trash dont need to actively make more

[frank pasture]

Even if you are going to keep them, they serve no real purpose other than tuning. Since there are better options, we can be better stewards to our environment 🙂

[wide linden]

You know, youre right

Partly the reason I got into vorons

These machines, 3d printers I mean, are amazing tech, but they produce a lot of waste

Even more so when you need to trash an entire machine just because a part that is no longer in production broke

[frank pasture]

Hey, I am no activist. I can waste plastic like the best of them. I am just not going to intentionally do it. It is just sometimes difficult to get people to change their ways when they have seen benchy for years.

[wide linden]

You may not be an activist, but I am xD

So yeah, youre right

[frank pasture]

So.... no more benchies? Spread the love of dino-clip?

[wide linden]

Yeah

Either the dino or some other thing

[frank pasture]

Find something better than dino for tuning and I am all ears 🙂

[wide linden]

Ill tell ya if I find/design something

:p

[wide linden]

Congrats, you fax'd and logik'd me

[frank pasture]

You now need to figure out if it was intentional. Looking forward to the serial vid!

[wide linden]

Hopefully soon

I wont do the serial video until I can get a good print

I still need to figure out the hotend fan

[frank pasture]

Serials are meant to be proof of life. Nothing more. Nobody wants to see a "good" print.

[wide linden]

And then try extruding plastic

[wide linden]

I do xD

I want the serial to be the final thing I do, after I know I dont have to take the machine apart anymore

[frank pasture]

I want to see you have good prints too. I am just saying that vehicles get their VIN before they ever get doors, or an interior. Serials are like that. 🙂

[wide linden]

Thanks for the info! I kinda assumed that you need to be able to produce an actual decent print

Im just sitting here, moving the toolhead around

Like a kid with an RC car xD

[frank pasture]

The goal is to show that the machine is functional "Proof of life" and that it is cable managed, etc above the deck and in the chamber.

[frank pasture]

Slowly!

[wide linden]

Im doing it through Fluidd

Not manually

Just.... admiring the fact that I built something that moves

[flint veldt]

then you will never do a serial print

[frank pasture]

Cool I was worried I would have to post this

[wide linden]

The fact I dont have to doesnt mean I wont xD

[wide linden]

OOOOF

[flint veldt]

having a serial is fun, gives you acces to a bunch of differnt stuff

[wide linden]

Yeah I unplugged the motors when I was running thr belts

Due to fear of generator

XD

[wide linden]

Like?

Other than bragging rights

[flint veldt]

🙂

you will see

[wide linden]

O_O;

Is there a secret society of serial havers?

Will I get to join the FOSS revolution?

[frank pasture]

Not a secret society. a society with secrets. Its not like it isn't advertised all over the place 😛

[flint veldt]

i can not confirm nor deny such a secrete society

[wide linden]

Oh wow

Now I really want to get this machine running

[flint veldt]

good

[wide linden]

....like I didnt before xD

[flint veldt]

our secrete plan has worked

[wide linden]

Damn, I really am about to join a cult, huh?

[frank pasture]

It always does

[wide linden]

Eh, fuck it, sounds fun

[wide linden]

Wha

[flint veldt]

its not a cult its a cult

[wide linden]

Why did your PFP change

Thats ominous as hell xD

[flint veldt]

its a sign im sure

[frank pasture]

[wide linden]

XDDDD

Okay

I have the feeling Im in for something fun

[frank pasture]

Now back to wheels before I freak people out. LOL

[wide linden]

I have evidence

Like a blurry photo of bigfoot

:D

[frank pasture]

You are more than welcome to ask me questions about that as well. I didn't pull that avatar out of my butt 😛

[wide linden]

You know, Ill wait until Im a part of the.... fan club

[flint veldt]

gotta join the cult club to be a part of it!

[wide linden]

Correct!

Just a day or two

[flint veldt]

but fun fact none of my printers, that i currently still own, have a serial

[wide linden]

Gotta figure out this hotend

[wide linden]

TREASON!

RELEASE THE DOGS!

[flint veldt]

only my first v2 is serialized and the new owner never transfered the serial :)))

i hope he never does lol

[wide linden]

Would you be ousted out of the... club?

[frank pasture]

I will get my second v2 a serial number one of these days. Jank is happy where his is, happily printing camera mounts and chewing through cheap ABS.

[flint veldt]

all 3 are gonna get serials ... at some point in the future maybe

[wide linden]

Or is it a permanent membership

[flint veldt]

yea id think you be kicked

but idk actually

[wide linden]

Dont ask

Or else theyll suspect something

XD

[vague reef]

I'll set up some sort of honorary serial transfer to you if that ever happens

[flint veldt]

na i just need to serial my 2.5 working printers

well technically its 1.8 working printers

[frank pasture]

I have 3 working at the moment. and I am going to regret saying that.

[flint veldt]

about to be 2 if you keep talking

[wide linden]

Bro's printers are float instead of int 💀

[flint veldt]

well my trident technically works but its heater is broken

my v0 is technically a working printer

and my v2 is .. well not yet build

but panza is coming in clutch and il be getting new heaters tomorrow

[frank pasture]

Tick Tock?

[flint veldt]

hey now im not that young

Tick Tock is for sub 20 years old

by that metric im old

[vague reef]

I have 2.5 as well, and work has two half printers ATM

[frank pasture]

From memory, you are 28?

[wide linden]

Damn, in that case Im old too

Damn

[flint veldt]

almost, 26 💀

[wide linden]

XC

[frank pasture]

Sorry. It is hard keeping up with you whippersnappers

[flint veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbsup-cheers-celebrate-wedding-dad-gif-11874700561321828894

[wide linden]

I have a friend who's 33. We (friend group 20-25) keep calling her "grandma" xD

[vague reef]

Still young 😆 (I've only got 5.5 years on you)

[frank pasture]

I am mentally 14 if that counts for anything.

[flint veldt]

ey same!

one brain cell and a mental age of 12 describes about half this server (including me ofc)

[vague reef]

This is my sister (29) at her work. All her coworkers are college students lol

[frank pasture]

I feel like we are taking over @wide linden's build thread and feel bad about it.

[wide linden]

Fuck no this is amazing

[vague reef]

One collective brain cell

[flint veldt]

this is gchat 2 now

[wide linden]

The community IS a part of the build

[flint veldt]

ah yes same brain cell think allike

[vague reef]

We are like orange cats, we pass the one functional brain cell back and forth constantly

[frank pasture]

Gray cats are best cats

[wide linden]

A single Raspberry Pi 3 running the brains of everyone on this server. The SD card died long ago, and the RAM is full of garbage from a program with a memory leak.

[flint veldt]

hey now in todays market you just take the ram off and sell it seperatly

just gotta remember to .. ugh .. well

[wide linden]

Yeah! 8GB ram gets you like, a V0 kit xD

[wide linden]

💀

[flint veldt]

minium that

[vague reef]

I had an orange and calico brother and sister when I was growing up, and my wife had two black cats. Love grey cats too though

[wide linden]

I love all cats. Cats are the best

[flint veldt]

black is still the best color

[wide linden]

Especially if you raise them right and theyre all snuggly and affectionate

[wide linden]

Whoa. Void with eyes.

[flint veldt]

its nothing with a very empty belly

[frank pasture]

Before wheels, we had “Bird”

[vague reef]

I'm now partial to bunnies

[flint veldt]

weird looking cat

but cute as hell!

[wide linden]

Damn. Didnt know they released cat 2.

[frank pasture]

He just posted that because he knew I was going to ask

[vague reef]

Had a maintenance guy at our last apartment (on two separate occasions!!!) come into our apartment, see the black Lionhead and say verbatim "I thought that was a damn cat"

[wide linden]

The same maintenance guy?

[vague reef]

Yes lmao

Same guy did and said the same exact thing twice

[wide linden]

XD

Bethesda dialogue ahh

[ivory nest]

After reading y’all’s dialog yesterday, I am convinced

[flint veldt]

[ivory nest]

this abs gf is so nice to print

[wide linden]

I wont be able to do the final few bits of tuning pre-first print until next week due to uni exams :/

[ivory nest]

Good luck

[pine surge]

I just finished mine, good luck ♡

[wide linden]

I just learned I'll need to take the toolhead apart

I tried giving 24V directly to the hotend fan, no dice

Seems that I may have crushed a wire somewhere

Either that or the fan I got is broken

I'll also have to buy a new X axis rail

The one I have fuckin SUUUUCKS

Towards the edges, it feels gritty

[flint veldt]

im sure @jade kernel can sell you a good one

his contact sells og hiwins and airtacs for like pretty good prices

or else youmetongs on aliexpress is a go too as well

[wide linden]

If a community member is getting a cut, I'd rather buy from them

[flint veldt]

dont think he is getting one he just likes us spending money

[wide linden]

xd

[flint veldt]

but the airtac mgn9 rail that i have is stupidly smooth.

[wide linden]

sounds like exactly what I need for the X-axis xD

[jade kernel]

HELLO

[pine surge]

That's the new rail you just picked up right??

[flint veldt]

yea #1434612830614585476 message

they are smooth as butter

[pine surge]

Using them for all axis or just Y?

[flint veldt]

Right now just for y but im planning on getting them for x and z as well

[wide linden]

Good news! While taking a study break, I found out why my fan wasn't working!

Bad news! I need a new brain, because this one is clearly defective. I plugged a 5V fan into a 24V output on the EBB36 xD

So yeah the moment I powered it on I instantly killed a really nice Delta fan xD

[flint veldt]

Easy mistake to make but damn that sucks

[wide linden]

Yeah I kinda didn't realize the EBB only has 24V fan ports, so I absentmindedly put the hotend fan into one of the fan ports, not realizing they're all 24V

If I had plugged it into the RGB port I'd've been fine xd

[flint veldt]

Yea thats how most of us power a 5v fan :/

Youve got spares or going to have to order a new one?

[wide linden]

I'll have to order a new one unfortunately

[flint veldt]

[wide linden]

I do have a spare rando 24V fan lying around

But I've no clue if it's any good

[flint veldt]

Yea could use it for now

If it heat creeps you will notice quickly

But definatly order one (or better yet two) fans anyways

[wide linden]

Idk if I feel like potentially taking apart an Orbiter to remove jammed filament xD

[flint veldt]

If you want one before christmas maybe ask panzkatten in dms if he can overnight ship you a new one lol

He has saved my christmas building plan twice now in two weeks lol

[wide linden]

That wouldn't make it here all the way from sweden, no way.

But I shouldn't be using christmas to build anyway

(Uni exams)

My plans are to try to get my Uni exams done within the first half of January and then fully finish this thing

[flint veldt]

Fedex will do it easily. Hes shipping me spare parts over night. He dropped them of today and fedex is planning to deliver tomorrow by 6pm

[wide linden]

Katten really is a bro xD

[flint veldt]

He truly is

[wide linden]

Fuck it, I'll put in the 24V one just to test the machine.

Could put the retractions real low to try to help preventing heat creep

[flint veldt]

Should be maybe fine

Just try and see

But definatly order spares now

[wide linden]

Hopefully I don't perma kill the orbiter xD

[wide linden]

Okay so we are printing, however...

I believe I remember something about having to break in the TAP?

[flint veldt]

yea good idea to do a couple taps for it all to settle down

but it does looks pretty okay. that part where filament is missing might be extruder related

[wide linden]

During the print, I heard the nozzle dragging accross the bed

[flint veldt]

ah then maybe to close

hard to tell with a bright color

[rigid token]

Yea. Home, move to middle if not already in the middle. Then run PROBE SAMPLES=200 to break it in. That will take a while.

[flint veldt]

eh kinda looks like its a bit to close

[wide linden]

What should be the max deviation between samples?

[rigid token]

On 200 samples on a new tap? Ignore it. lol. Normally. It’ll be less than 0.001 for 10 samples.

[flint veldt]

yea run the 200 samples and then start looking at deviations

also if your using kalico there is an option to ignore the first probe result

[wide linden]

Yeah I got no clue wtf this is

I tried playing with the Z offset while printing a flat plate to sort of judge the Z offset live

It almost looks like its extruding way less plastic than it should be?

E steps, maybe?

[autumn storm]

At what temp do you tap?

[wide linden]

150

[autumn storm]

Hmm try to run a mesh of the bed two or three times, and see if the results agree or not

This way you can guess what the issue is

[flint veldt]

Whole screen plz, we care about the numbers on the right

[wide linden]

Click on the preview

Discord is cutting it off

[flint veldt]

Ah im dumb dumb

Yea looks usable

Not great but usable and bedmesh will work just fine here

[wide linden]

Okay yeah my extruder was off by 40% xD

[flint veldt]

ah yea makes sense

[flint veldt]

highly suggest you do one loop of the ellis tuning guide https://ellis3dp.com/Print-Tuning-Guide/articles/index_tuning.html

[wide linden]

How could it have been off by that much?

Omg did the prev. Owner have the esteps this wrong and make up for it with an extrusion multiplier?

XD

[flint veldt]

likely

[wicked falcon]

Or it was missing the gear ratio.

[flint veldt]

but just use the provided orbiter 2 config that orbiter provides and call it a day as far as klipper config goes

[wide linden]

....pfff

[flint veldt]

https://www.orbiterprojects.com/orbiter-v2-0/ -> 3.3 Klipper firmware configuration

use them, makes things easier

[wide linden]

Okay so I corrected the config, all I changed was the rotation of the extruder, and then I got a timer too close error during pre-print calibration, now I'm getting this error:

Can not update MCU 'mcu' config as it is shutdown
Once the underlying issue is corrected, use the
"FIRMWARE_RESTART" command to reset the firmware, reload the
config, and restart the host software.
Error configuring printer

[flint veldt]

ye just click restart a couple of times

mcu config is shut down is just klipper beeing funny

[wide linden]

Happens every time I restart

[wide linden]

....really? seems to be missing the gear_ratio config

Oh okay we are back

[flint veldt]

huh

your right

weird

maybe the klipper default is fine

but i havent used an oribter in a while so no idea what the correct value would be

[wide linden]

Okay how do I fuck off the screen?

I don't need the tiny little screen and it's only putting strain on the printer

[flint veldt]

witch one?

the knomi thingy?

[wide linden]

Yes

[flint veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-out-rage-parks-and-rec-nick-offerman-ron-swanson-gif-17688925

[wide linden]

The tiny Knomi circle display

[flint veldt]

might just be as simple as unplugging it

[wide linden]

Do I just disconnect it?

[flint veldt]

yea

ofc with the machine off

[wide linden]

Probably can't do that as the printer is running, huh?

xD

[flint veldt]

dont

just assume nothing on your machine is hotepluggable

[wide linden]

Huh... the printer almost looks like its extruding unevenly

Like the lines vary in thickness

Like as if the filament was complete shit

[flint veldt]

mhm

seams like its not extruding correctly

what temps are you printing and what material?

[wide linden]

Yeah.

[wide linden]

220 PLA

Kinda hot

But not that hot

[flint veldt]

i print pla at 230 lol

but got a picture now that you fixed the extruder settings?

[wide linden]

Behaves the same, somehow

But the amount the filament moves is correct

Could there be a leak

[flint veldt]

it looks like id expect a partially clogged nozzle to look like

[wide linden]

?

[wide linden]

Uhuh. Cold pull maybe?

[flint veldt]

could be worth a shot yea

[wide linden]

Weirdly enough

Just extruding into the air

It looks fine

[flint veldt]

i mean this red circled part is defiantly to close to the bed

have you tuned the z offset yet?

but maybe not doable if its extruding like that

[wide linden]

That part is so close to the bed its perma stuck in there xD

I cant get it out

Its from an old print

[flint veldt]

just print over it and it will be gone after a print or two

[wide linden]

Okay so I may have figured this out, maybe, but I can't test my theory

When I assembled my toolhead, I mistakenly tightened the two screws that hold the bambu hotend in place wayyy too much, and the screws are now loose and can move around as the plastic is weak and cracked.

The hotend is now moving a lot, meaning that it can't remain in place to properly extrude plastic

This means that I'll need to re-print the toolhead, which will cost me weeks as I don't have access to the work printer for the time being.

In fact, I want to not use the bambu hotend at all. I do not trust it. So while i'm at it I'll look for a place that would ship me a new hotend.

[wide linden]

Toolhead reprinted, Ill try fixing it tomorrow

[wide linden]

It didn't help

I tried using the exact config as stated on the orbiter v2 page

It.... extruding one half of what it should no matter what I set the rotation distance to?

[wicked falcon]

Check the logs. Maybe you have a duplicate [extruder] section that is overwriting it.

[wide linden]

There's only one in the config

Here's my log and printer.cfg if anyone is willing to take a look

[wide linden]

Oh my fucking god I figured it out

This thumbscrew was loose

Kill me

Somebody

Please

ALL THIS FUCKING WORK

ALL THE HOURS

THE TWO SLEEPLESS NIGHTS OF ME FUCKING WITH THE CONFIG AND CHECKING EVERY POSSIBLE THING

ALL BECAUSE OF ONE LOOSE SCREW

[wide linden]

The printer didnt have enough grip on the filament

Soit extruded well-ish when I jammed it in manually

But when it was moving and printing

The filament was slipping and not actually being pulled by the extruder

@flint veldt I did it.

[flint veldt]

omg haha

[flint veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-meow-meow-hi-five-well-done-proud-of-you-gif-8650293081808857112

[wide linden]

It was worth it for this one gif.

I'll finish printing one layer of the whole-bed-cube to check everything's fine

Then prusaclip

[flint veldt]

hell yea!

[wide linden]

Fucking hell.... I can't believe this was the problem XDD

In hindsight, it's obvious

[flint veldt]

yeaaa it always the super basic stuff that no one thinks to ask

[wide linden]

I figured out this was the issue by trying to manually push the filament into the extruder while printing

And then, to my surprise, it printed well

I though "Huh, are the gears maybe completely wrecked and can't hold the filament?"

Then I looked at the extruder and thought "hey that thumbscrew is supposed to hold the gear in place what happens if I...."

And then it just started printing as it should

My expression was literally:

._.

[flint veldt]

your gonna have that expression many more times believe me

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

is also a favourite of mine

[wide linden]

That expression came a few seconds after xD

[rigid token]

┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

[wide linden]

Okay and now I need to figure out how to set up SSH access on this machine so that I can mess with the files and processes xD

[pine surge]

Isn't one of the steps explicitly called out to make sure that's tensioner and engaged properly :p

[wide linden]

Maybe in the Stealthburner docs

But not in the A4T tutorial

[wide linden]

Ladies, gentlemen, and most importantly, cyborgs

Feast your eyes upon the first ever successful print of Digit, my VORON Trident:

[flint veldt]

thats pretty good for a first print of a "new" machine!

[wide linden]

Especially for a first time build, and especialy for what the machine was

[wide linden]

The frame of this printer isn't very rigid

Very shakey

[flint veldt]

how do you mean? 🤔

[wide linden]

Look at the video above

Though it seems more like the feet are way too soft

The printer is moving a lot.

[rigid token]

That’s why I use HULA feet. Our Vorons use a much higher accel than most printers out there. They move a lot.

[flint veldt]

sooo for flow calibration. id recommend you use orca slicer and the build in flow calibration! Print the Pass1 at first to get it close enough and then print Pass2 to narrow it down even more.

When you do flow calibration make sure that you have the filament temperature somewhat correct and also that the filament is (fully) dry

And for the frame .. cant really tell other then the printer is vibrating a bit

[wide linden]

Oh yeah that looks like something I should be using

[wide linden]

It just looks like it's moving more than the printers I'm used to, but then again, VORONs are really big machines... so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'll do a whole calibration suite once I'm done with my Uni exams

[flint veldt]

ah yea thats true haha. a bit of vibrations is expected and its often worse if you print very slow

[wide linden]

https://github.com/thrutheframe/HULA_Voron?tab=readme-ov-file These?

[rigid token]

yep. I just use the switchwire feet replacement as they are a direct replacement over the stock rubber feet

[wide linden]

Why not the Trident ones?

[rigid token]

Cause I didn't want to redo the whole foot. Lol

[wide linden]

I would think the Trident ones would be a direct replacement, not the switchwire ones...?

Kind of odd xd

[rigid token]

The switchwire ones are literally just the rubber foot but printed. So they can replace anything that uses the rubber feet we use on the Vorons.

[wide linden]

Ah okay

Thanks for the explanation

:D

[wide linden]

Calibrations going well. Only thing I still need to figure out is how to SSH into the printer, because I didn't set up the soft that's on it, so I'm not even sure I can setup an SSH tunnel within Fluidd

[flint veldt]

you would first off all need the password to the linux user. If the original owner used the raspberry pi os then the default user might be pi and the default password might be raspberry. If that doesnt work you could contact the original owner and ask for the username + password and if they dont know then (as far as i know) a complete reinstall is your only option.

Ofc ssh needs to be enabled in the first place. With raspberry pi os you can do that by adding a blank file called ssh in the boot partition on the sd card (ref)

[wide linden]

Contacted the OG user, if he doesnt know, then itll suck, but I wanted to install kalico anyway

Theoretically, it would just be a reinstall of the OS + Kalico on the CB1 in this case, right? Since everything else is already flashed

I was kinda hoping I could do this from Fluidd, but I know that would be a gynormous security vulnerability

[rigid token]

Yes. And don’t forget to backup your config

Use the cb1 minimal image and KIAUH to install everything.

[wide linden]

Thanks for the tip. Might be a good idea to reinstall in general, honestly

This Klipper install is.... pretty bloated

Has some shit that seems completely unnecessary

[flint veldt]

Maybe, it depends

[wide linden]

Figured it would be too easy if it did

[flint veldt]

if your current klipper version is old enough klipper/kalico might force you to update your mcus as well

[rigid token]

Luckily flashing mcu’s isn’t hard

[flint veldt]

yea once they have klipper installed on them its pretty damn easy

[flint veldt]

yea just make SURE to backup and cfg file that you might need like printer.cfg or macro.cfg files or whatever

Or better yet you use a new sd card and keep the old one as a backup 😅

[wide linden]

I already made a .zip of every file I can access through fluidd

Just in caseTM

[flint veldt]

also @wide linden id recommend you backup your config on a regular basis either way using something like this -> https://github.com/EricZimmerman/Voron-Documentation/blob/main/community/howto/EricZimmerman/BackupConfigToGithub.md

[flint veldt]

please also download that zip file 😅

[wide linden]

Yeah good idea

[wide linden]

I thought that was obvious

[flint veldt]

cause once you reflash the sd card everything will be gone

[flint veldt]

you never know

[rigid token]

You can also post that zip here to have a backup that will last ridiculously long.

[flint veldt]

it has saved me more then once by now and its pretty neet to have a history of all the changes that you made

[frank pasture]

Even better, create your own discord server where you can keep channels, images, links, and blackmail photos

[wide linden]

I have that for some stuff, but I am 3000 steps ahead of you all and have a cheap Ubuntu server for running tabletop RPGs as well as filehosting >:D

According to the CB1 docs, the root account deets should be "root" "root"

And knowing the OG builder, that probably wasn't changed

[wide linden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/966418807872716880/1459598767740420411/20260110_182218.jpg?ex=6963dcc8&is=69628b48&hm=42b98c3b799dcdf6c2bce62111c61252c8b03cd277c993fecb23acf6294678a9&

First failed print, and not due to the printer, but because the filament tangled 👌

https://www.3djake.com/ldo-motors/smart-filament-sensor-1

This seems like a good upgrade honestly

xD

Guess I got 2 coasters out of it at least xd

[flint veldt]

Yea something like that would do the job

[wicked falcon]

I think I have seen others have some complaints with that sensor specifically.

[wide linden]

Really now?

LDO and Orbiter are both really big names

[wicked falcon]

Start reading here.

[flint veldt]

ive personally been using bigtreetechs sfs 2.0 with great success

[wide linden]

Ill need to figure out a decent place to mount it. Id ideally want it on the toolhead so I dont need to run wires all the way to the electronics bay, but with how this one is designed it doesnt look like an option

[wide linden]

I've run into a small issue. For some reason, my printer refuses to ZHop

I've configured it in the slicer, and I've tried disabling firmware retraction (as some reddit post suggested), but to no avail, my nozzle is dragging HARD

Especially visible on top surfaces

[wide linden]

Fixed it

:D

Turns out the newest version of Orca is fucky

:/

[wide linden]

I'm editing the serial video rn

And

BRUHH

I SUCK AT VIDEOMAKING

[autumn storm]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-cat-aiden-pinoxys-pet-gif-13546774003633821488

Just put a faze intro and you are golden

[wet badge]

Use thick plates so your frame is over 100 kilos. It won’t move as much

[wide linden]

Im going to turn it into an MLG compilation

[wide linden]

I FORGOT TO WRITE DOWN THE FUCKING DATE

AHHHHHHH

FUCK

IN THE VIDEO

[frank pasture]

That got me too when I did the micron serial. Consider it a merit badge!

[dusk cypress]

i forgot as well... a iploaded a short video to yt and linked it in the serial request

[wide linden]

Im remaking the whole thing