Lazychanger - A 300mm V2 toolchanger

[naive coral]

I've been fascinated by tool changers lately and seeing as i don't have a tool changer right now I decided to build the absolute best one I can (without completely bankrupting myself that is) :D

The base of the machine will be a Formbot3d kit with an upgraded Vorlong/Doomcube style frame for extra gucci points.
Going to add a Stealtchanger with 5 AntHead toolheads and a Fysetc cnc carriage. The gantry will be monolith 9mm awd printed from Tree PC BPT GF.

Plan changed and right now i intend to install indx on the machine. Should save me a lot of money time and effort.

reserved for later use

Already ordered a lot of the parts for the build. Base kit is from fystec. Extrusiosn have been ordered from misumi. Because the frame is extended in y i will also need new rails, think im going with youmetong this time around.

[naive coral]

Just ordered fans and a raspberry pi cm4 from aliexpress/digikey.

[molten linden]

Uhh another one did you already ordered the fystec CNC carriage?

[naive coral]

yep

only thing that's left to order is a new bottom panel (because i extended the frame in y for more room for printheads also means that the panels that im getting in the kit wont fit)

[rugged juniper]

Finally joining flying gantry gang?

[naive coral]

funny enough my very first voron was a v2 .. that i then sold to build #1317580899184807976

[rugged juniper]

More like the prodigal son returning then

[naive coral]

Oh yea 🤣 .. but i did sell the old v2 for more then new new v2 kit costs .. so i technically saved myself some money on this build

[naive coral]

Formbot kit and a Digikey order have shown up. It will sadly still be a while until i can actually start building.

[robust yew]

Hell yes, Ive been pondering toolchangers as well, just for the cool factor no real reason nor need

[naive coral]

Oh yea, you should build one too!

[naive coral]

New toy to dry and anneal pet-cf has just arrived!

[lavish junco]

Legit why I'm thinking of one as well. Possibly a added WHY of using different toolheads on every other one

[naive coral]

So my plan currently is as follows:

• Hotend: will be a tz 06 cause im not finding anything that i like any better and in case im not happy i can always upgrade to a chube compact.
• Extruder: WWMBG with a RIDGA gear and a smooth idler.
• Toolhead: il try and print a Anthead to see how i like to assemble it and in case that doesn't work out how i like it then maybe Yavoth.
• Gantry: Printed Monolith ofc but 2wd seeing as i want the motion system to be a little less complex.
  As for colors im really liking white + purple with a silver frame!

[naive coral]

So that tz plan was just thrown out the window

[robust yew]

Im trying to resist ordering another one for my v0 while im still waiting for it on the v2

[robust yew]

Nevermind, I saw the Veterans Day sale in your picture and checked. I’d be crazy to skip out on this

[naive coral]

Yea its a really good deal!

If i where to buy them in eu then id pay 177€ vs the 140€ i payed at west3d!

[naive coral]

Starting to anneal some test parts. Prepared a tasty (salt) cake that is going in the oven for 6h at 120c!

[cloud sparrow]

nice

[naive coral]

Parts have now beeing in the oven for about 6.5h First thing i noticed is how hard the salt became after beeing dried for so lang.

After taking them out of the salt they where ofc still covered in salt but a quick wash took care of that for me.

It doesnt quit show on camera but the annealed cube (right) has a blue hue while the none annealed cube (left) is just black.

The parts for the wwbmg extruder do also still fit together and no part has warped. As for size changes i haven't measured all the parts just yet fully but it appears that the parts have shrunken a lot more in the z direction vs x or y witch is interesting but overall shrinkage seams to be bellow ~1%.

[robust yew]

I learned about annealing in passing and thought I'd try it on my own... its like I forgot what heat does to plastic. Then I learned about salt hahahahaha

[naive coral]

Oh damn yea salt is basically mandatory

[naive coral]

A bunch of stuff has shown up this week, including my aluminium extrusion order from Misumi!

[lavish junco]

How quick is the turnaround with Misumi??

[naive coral]

Depends on what you order ofc. But for this order including aluminium extrusion with a custom length total time from order to shipped product was 8 days + another 2 days for actuall shipping.

[naive coral]

Spend the better part of today drilling and tapping all the aluminium extrusions using a neat little tool that i originally designed for my trident build!

[naive coral]

Ive kinda given up on pet-cf for this build. Ordered a couple roles of TreeD PC-PBT-GF and some asa for accent parts.

[naive coral]

And the frame is done!

I did learn a lesson while building the frame. Should i every build another machine then I'm defiantly having the aluminium extrusion precision cut by misumi because some of the cut angels where not that perfect as they could be.
The diagonals where measured as well and they are pretty much spot on witch is really good!
The second to last piece to the shopping spree has also concluded with me placing an order for 450mm rails for y with airtac!

[robust yew]

What size vertical extrusion did you end up with for what Z height? Next big thing for me is also 4040/2040. but also have to decide if I convert to tool changer taller z or keep stock Z 🤔

[naive coral]

746mm .. so 200mm more in z (and 100mm more in y to have space for tools in the front)

personally i think tool changers are the next big thing

and if your already buying a new frame might as well go and install stealtchanger into it

[lavish junco]

Build 2 is definitely going to be like this

[robust yew]

That’s what I’m saying, might as well! I started with a form bot kit as well in February… I replaced almost every component I and now almost have enough left over parts for another printer 🤣

[naive coral]

Yea honestly the only thing im really using from the formbot kit is the bed, some linear rails (that im already planing on replacing), the electronics and the parts for z

But more then half of this stuff is just gonna end in a box somewhere lol

I really dont know if self sourcing would have just been "cheaper" lol

[naive coral]

Aluminium extrusion for the bed have been installed. Ive also got a bunch of stuff incoming that might possible arrive tomorrow or more possibly on Monday.

Installing the bed extrusion was harder then it had to be. They where just ever so slightly to long to fit inside the existing frame but a file did make quick work of that problem!

[naive coral]

Ive been busy today! The ordered deck panel showed up yesterday and the grey mat color looks awesome!

Also assembled the external z drive / feet today. Ive had some hybrid ceramic bearings laying around thats i used for 2 of the 4 drives.

And mounted them on the frame :)

Nextup is mounting all the electronics and z linear rails. Also the TreeD PC BPT GF has shown up so il be calibrating that material and starting to print all the required gantry parts for monolith.

[rugged juniper]

Didn't go with the Micron2020 z drives

[naive coral]

yea ive already got all the part for the stock voron v2 z drive and also the motor mount is 🤘

and i do really love the stock z drives, they are really well designed and just work

[robust yew]

Are you doing sidepack too? And have you looked into g2z xl? Not sure what its benefits are besides space savings 🧐

[robust yew]

I don’t need more green bearings. I don’t need more green bearings. I don’t need more green bearings. I don’t need more green bearings. I don’t need more green bearings. 🙃

[naive coral]

i sadly did not have enough green bearings to use them on all drives

[naive coral]

stock drive is good enough .. and id rather have metal motor mounts to push high run currents without the risk of melting stuff

and no, no sidepack this time around. im kinda hopping that im not going to regret that decision later

[robust yew]

Nice I have the funssor metal ones - don’t recommend wish I got the chaotic labs one

[naive coral]

sidepack on my trident is awesome and it makes working on it super easy .. working on the printer on the other hand requires to remove the sidepack (if you say wanted to install cpap)

[naive coral]

yea ive got the funssor once too and they are .. fine

[robust yew]

Mine weren’t machined all identical unfortunately 🙃

Had to play with shims

[naive coral]

ah yea .. average funssor quality lel

[naive coral]

Chubechanger - A 300mm Toolchanger

[fair spindle]

@naive coral toolhead boards have arrived.

[naive coral]

awww damn looking good!

commit atrocities every day indeed!

[fair spindle]

I did decide yesterday. I will be doing this machine as a 2 head chubechanger. fsck it. Why not. LOL

[naive coral]

i finally finished my #1317580899184807976 sidequest and started printing for Chubechanger

[naive coral]

🤣

Turns out I am the @ancient dirge now.

[fair spindle]

I am just going to stay casually behind you so I know what not to do 😛

[naive coral]

im trying my best not to fuck this up lmao

but knowing me my adhd will get the better of me lmao

[fair spindle]

I feel this.

[ancient dirge]

@unkempt sierra will confirm that you're still doing rookie moves

[naive coral]

Is his Boxturtle build yet?

If only you could get him to build the damn thing

[fair spindle]

We need a meme of "look at me, I am the capybara now"

[ancient dirge]

He bought filament, trays and started printing things this week

[naive coral]

Damn he truly is ahead of his time

[ancient dirge]

I just had to help him fix his Micron and gift him a pair of 2240s for it

That kicked him into gear

[naive coral]

Talking about it .. i just started a print without a print sheet on

guess the magnet is now a bit more engraved

I really do want a bed with integrated magnets in the bed

[fair spindle]

Keep it up and you are going to NEED one

🙂

[naive coral]

[ancient dirge]

Gives really flat first layers

Or so I've heard

[naive coral]

lol

[unkempt sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-dad-bradley-hall-thank-you-daddy-thanks-a-lot-thankful-gif-26907830

[ancient dirge]

Ha! Finally!

[safe kernel]

which oven is that? How accurate and stable is the temp?

[naive coral]

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0C992CBH1 Stable enough to anneal / dry filament. Didn't measure it any further.

So this is pretty exciting!

[hexed cape]

If I have seen correctly, you are doing the 4020 clicky clack

[fair spindle]

sooon

[naive coral]

Yep thats the plan!

[hexed cape]

I mean chubechanger aint that cursed at least

[naive coral]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-husky-soon-gif-7801078

[hexed cape]

better than me when I connect a MMU to my singular chube 😄

[naive coral]

Yea its pretty reasonable compared to #1317580899184807976 lol

[naive coral]

Yeaaa Tridentbert had a Boxturtle before but single Toolhead color changes just produce wayy to much waste

[naive coral]

Printing plate one of two of monolith parts over night. Now i just need the rails and the katten3d order to finally arrive.

[robust yew]

No more sheet metal? Haha I may end up with an extra set since I want to redo some pieces now I have a better idea of how to post process

[robust yew]

So far with stock 300 dimensions I like the rollback mod… that said I don’t think yours will rollback very nicely 🤣

[naive coral]

One printer with sheet metal was more then enough work haha

Well that went about as well as expected. Guess a full plate of pc parts aint on the table and il have to print them one by one.

[robust yew]

bambu gluestick is gamechanger. a tiny square in the middle, spray some IPA and spread it around to thin it out leaves a perfect invisible film

[naive coral]

yea i played around with the z offset and i guess it was a littel to far away from the bed

[robust yew]

my z offset seems to always change every month or something - not sure if its bc of I keep changing toolhead stuff or cartos fault lmao

[naive coral]

Yea beacon is consistent but thermal expansion of the hotend is a real issue with an all metal tooohead so depending on hotend temps it expands by about half a layer or so

[naive coral]

Stuff just showed up

[naive coral]

Linear rails and extruder motors have shown up as well!

First time using airtacs and they feel incredibly smooth!

[hexed cape]

hmm, yummy pancakes in the back

[naive coral]

yep! gonna use them as extruder motors!

Goal is to have every toolhead be an exact replica of the one before it to minimize the ammount of tuning i have to do.

Printing parts right now and they are looking awesome!

[fair spindle]

All gantry parts are annealing now. forgot to print the damn a4t mounts. argh.

[naive coral]

Oh ripp im skipping annealing

Pc bpt gf doesnt need it so i wont do it.

Less things to do is sometimes a good thing

But i wanted to start building the gantry today and wanted to print the last few parts overnight but #1317580899184807976 had different plans and the replacement chube heater failed as well so now i have to wait for a replacement heater from 3dkatten.

[fair spindle]

Oh, that sucks

Less things to do is almost always a good thing. 😉

[naive coral]

Its alright 3dkatten thankyfully is more or less overnight shipping it and i could have ordered spares 3 days ago when the first heater originally failed

But its not like i can actually finish the machine since im still missing my chubeees

[fair spindle]

I will challenge anyone who says that we don't have great vendors

[fair spindle]

Oh, I am firing up with bambu clones. Not waiting...

[naive coral]

Yea 3dkatten is awesome!

[naive coral]

Ive got one tz 2.0 v6 here that il use to get one toolhead up and running but the rest will have to wait

[fair spindle]

Since I am leaving the supports toolhead as a bambu hotend, it is easy enough for me.

[naive coral]

Oh yea if you got them use them! I just didnt feel like buying more then one new hotend as a temporary standin!

[naive coral]

Finally ordered the last pieces that I'm going to need to get Chubechanger up and running! 500W of 24v (even with a bit of derating) should be more then enough seeing as motors will be powered by 48v!

[solid belfry]

Do you want to get a beta tester unit of my monolith shuttle? It is in the works. Should be 3.5mm slimmer than the cnc fysetc/ldo one while accommodating the monolith belt path

[naive coral]

Maybe later ive got a monolith belt clamp shuttle arriving that will allow me to mount the belts correctly while only moving the toolhead forward by about 3mm

[naive coral]

Using monolith belt clamp with the fystec carriage should work very well!

Needed to sand the top part down a bit for the clamp to fit.

Belts are gonna be held by the slm belt clamp and pressed in place by the cnc carriage with the use of some 3d printed parts.

It should still give me a very rigidly mounted carriage with the downside ofc that the toolhead will now be moved forward by 3mm but im ok with that!

[fair spindle]

Its nice watching you do this knowing that I am just a bit behind ya. LOL

[naive coral]

Im experimenting for the both of us haha! You just take the bits that actually work

[fair spindle]

Exactly that. I have been tempted to do a SLM mount for the belts as well but have been waiting until I get the gantry assembled this weekend so I can measure 8 times, order it and still have a mistake.

[naive coral]

if you wait a bit more il also upload the printed part that the shuttle needs to actually press the belts down properly

just gotta print a couple and see what thickness works best

[fair spindle]

Sounds like a plan!

[naive coral]

Going to install monolith into the 2 toolhead toolchanger as well ey?

[fair spindle]

yeah. AWD 9mm, two toolhead, single MCU. Going to be fun with no ADXL even. LOL

[naive coral]

oh your going to have soo much fun

[fair spindle]

Hey, at least it is round shaft motors. I am not completely crazy!

[naive coral]

ah good! yea belt sync without beacon is annoying

but round shaft motors should help a lot

funny enough i have never manually synced belts with Tridentbert

[fair spindle]

Worst case I will run a usb ADXL on the back of one toolhead

[naive coral]

could think about using beacon on the carriage (and not the toolhead) with none critical mcu

but i know you hate having more then one mcu

[fair spindle]

Yeah, not going to use beacon. LOL

[naive coral]

https://tenor.com/view/boring-gif-18553963

[naive coral]

[solid belfry]

Damn

That looks amazing

[naive coral]

other then the fucked up white balance by my phone yea its awesome!

build the left motor as well already

y rails are on

[solid belfry]

Gosh get a razor blade already

[naive coral]

[solid belfry]

Takes 5 seconds

[naive coral]

yea z squish was a tiny bit to much

its already gone

noticed it after taking the picture

[solid belfry]

I just got my s45rs that I ordered for 19$ a piece and they sent me monolith branded ones!

[naive coral]

ey nice!

[solid belfry]

I know it is just a laser etch but it is cooler than no logo

[naive coral]

the monolith once are nice cause they got a 2meter cable

basically all other motors come with a 1 meter cable

[solid belfry]

I noticed that

[naive coral]

will be so nice to have long enough cables to reach all the way to the stepper driver, even on a bigger machine, will be awesome

but my adhd didnt order enough of the live shafter idlers so panza gotta rescu me .. again

[solid belfry]

They look so cool

Did I show you all of my beautiful stepper drivers? Lol

[naive coral]

saw them they are super gucii

[solid belfry]

I got the fans done on them last night but I forgot to take a picture

Fans make them look 10x uglier

[fair spindle]

My f695s aren't going to be here until monday. 🙁

[naive coral]

[fair spindle]

I can definitely say that based on the feel of the shuttle, I am going to be retrofitting it onto my TAP and boop machines

[naive coral]

yea its pretty damn smooth ey?

[fair spindle]

As addictive as any fidget toy I have played with.

[naive coral]

oh yea lol

ive got it sitting on my desk and playing with it right now

[fair spindle]

[naive coral]

[naive coral]

A bit insane how tiny that 500w 24 UHP psu is compared to the 200w lrs

[rugged juniper]

price inverts with size change though

[naive coral]

most defiantly lol

[solid belfry]

You ought to see a 1200w nmp

It is a bit longer and wider than a uhp but it is essentially 6 uhp 250w psus

[hexed cape]

still doesnt have to be actively cooled?

[naive coral]

its fine with passive cooling but its derated by like 100w

but 400w is more then neough for what i need seeing as there will never be a situation where all 5 tools are heating up at the same time

[solid belfry]

Calibration?

[naive coral]

i dont see a situation where all 5 toolheads would heat up at the same time for calibration really

[naive coral]

Installed the gantry today. Plan for tomorrow is belts and then start working on electronics.

With a bit of luck i might have a moving machine by the end of the weekend.

[solid belfry]

that thing looks nuts!

How tall is it?

[naive coral]

with the feet 85cm

one hell of a tall boy

[solid belfry]

oh damn!

I think that is nearly as tall as my stealthchnger I am building and it is a 350

mine is exactly 900 with the feet

[naive coral]

mine is a 300mm .. so yea would make sense that its 5cm smaller haha

[solid belfry]

Did you get your chubies yet?

Sexy rails

[naive coral]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-homelander-antony-starr-the-boys-sad-gif-26043538

[naive coral]

yea got them via @small fiber

[solid belfry]

I did as well. He is the goat

[naive coral]

very much

[solid belfry]

They were so damn cheap and he got me testing units as well

[naive coral]

oh damn

yea i payed like 90€ shipped for both

[solid belfry]

265 shipped for my rails. I already had the x rail though.

[naive coral]

not bad at all

[solid belfry]

Testing units were free but I will be doing a documented long term test on them

all metal rails for y axis

[solid belfry]

I went overkill and did airtac all around

[naive coral]

yea im plaing on doing that as well

z is gonna be double carriage at some point

and x might get a special from Brazuka

[solid belfry]

Why double? is it really heavy or something?

[naive coral]

more rigid more better

also cause i can

[solid belfry]

idk I am hoping I can get in on the monolith z joint group buy

[naive coral]

yea im gonna get two sets

[solid belfry]

should be pretty nice.

[naive coral]

putting monolith cnc on this machine is a bit of waste seeing as its a toolchanger and the toolhead is all floppy

[solid belfry]

I have the vitalii z joints on one of my printers but the monolith ones look way beefier

[naive coral]

but not like ever listened to facts or reason lel

[solid belfry]

toolhead shouldn't be floppy once some of the newer toolheads for stealthchanger get released

I have one in the works, mikeymike has one in the works and I think a couple other people are getting close as well

[naive coral]

maybe possible

there is stuff thats still hidden that should help .. but hidden for now 🙂

[solid belfry]

The floppiness has to do with the center of mass, not the inherent design of the shuttle and backplate

[naive coral]

well yea

but a toolchanger will never compete on the same playing field as a fixed fully com focused toolhead

[solid belfry]

yeah

[naive coral]

but ive kinda given up on the speed aspect

who cares about speed when one has two printers

id rather get strong parts that look all pretty vs saving 20 minutes

[solid belfry]

should be close though. I think this one I am designing is going to be up there with some of the most overengineered non cpap toolheads.

[solid belfry]

I agree

[naive coral]

it better seeing the toolhead that its using

[solid belfry]

My toolchanger is not intended for speed at all

[naive coral]

yea same here

i just went with 9mm belts cause why not

[solid belfry]

yeah mine is stupid overkill as well

[naive coral]

im aware

i dont think im going over a 60c chamber with this one

[solid belfry]

What skirts are you using? I am still trying to pick out skirts but I can't find anything that would work well for a bottom z drive

[naive coral]

no idea just yet .. might just make some out of wood or something funny

im a sucker for nice wooden accents everywhere

[hexed cape]

even inside the chamber?

[hexed cape]

Same here, was imagining it to arrive before Christmas, but RND is RND

[naive coral]

skirts are usually outside the chamber :P

[hexed cape]

I know you were talking about skirts at first, but then you said everywhere so 👀

[naive coral]

dont really see anything case for wood inside the chamber

but maybe for panels id be fine with wood

[hexed cape]

or just aesthetic, wooden extrusion covers maybe

[naive coral]

yea

but wooden panels would look pretty good maybe 👀

[hexed cape]

if you wont be able to get over 60C in chamber you could do thing acrylic and thin wooden sheet, glue them and theyd come out to about 4mm thickness

To be honest Im not sure at all if it could be done with any available tools

but idea is an idea

😄

[naive coral]

na this one is 60c max. good enough for asa (if not ideal) and i want be toasting any electronics

[hexed cape]

or you could double panel with wood only, that would maybe leak less heat

[ancient dirge]

Never seen Nemgreas builds?

[hexed cape]

I suppose I didnt

[hexed cape]

Damn

Making 3d printers look like bar cabinets 👀

[naive coral]

And the belts are on

@fair spindle

Monolith belt clamp + the cnc carriage works wonderfully as well.

[fair spindle]

Oh, that is perfect! I will order a SLM one on monday. I am figuring on belts making it new years week at some time.

[naive coral]

yea belts are perfectly spaced and i can live with the carriage being almost 3 mm further forward 😅

[naive coral]

The printers ebay is fully wired up! Only thing left todo is to plug it in and check that all the magic smoke stays inside!

[naive coral]

🥳

and now onto configuring the printer config .. my "favourite" part of the process

[candid stream]

Have it somewhere? I gotta drill and tap my frame

[naive coral]

There you go :)

[candid stream]

https://tenor.com/view/love-i-love-you-i-love-you-so-much-i-love-you-very-much-i-love-you-this-much-gif-7569334634428031519

[naive coral]

[naive coral]

oh and do yourself the favour and get a 4.5mm drill bit! Its a lot easier to fit a 4.5mm drill bit into a 5mm hole then a 5mm drill bit 😅

[candid stream]

I'm guessing that's for drilling. Not tapping

[golden locust]

Just found this build log, glad to see I'm not the only crazy person doing a Chube Toolchanger. Though, looking at yours, I think I need to step up my game. Mine is just a stock 2.4 LDO kit 🙁

[solid belfry]

Welcome to the club lol. There are about 5 of us from what I have seen

[golden locust]

This is/was my test toolhead, I have since reprinted all the parts in ASA-GF.

[naive coral]

hey compared to my build you actually have them chubes

im hoping to get my chubies in January or else il have to rename the project to "Chubechanger without Chubes" lol

[naive coral]

yea my jig is for drilling. you dont need a jit for hole tapping

[golden locust]

I do, I have 10 of them for various printers 🤣

[naive coral]

wow

mind giving me .. say .. 5 of them?

[golden locust]

PPS-CF Anthead on my Doom, with a Chube.

[naive coral]

but jokes aside im sure sure they are gonna come soonTM

[naive coral]

🔥 that looks awesome!

could think about adding a splash of color :P

[golden locust]

They are worth the wait.

[naive coral]

oh yea #1317580899184807976 already has a big chube and its awesome

[golden locust]

I love PPS-CF, everything in that printer is either CNC or PPS-CF.

[naive coral]

pps cf is awesome .. especially once annealed!

i do kinda need to figure out homing tomorrow

monolith requries y to be homed first and then x because the x limit switch isnt on the carriage but fixed on the y extrusions

but stealtchanger with beacon requires x to be home first or else youd risk the y limit switch getting hit with the beacon cable 🙃

[golden locust]

Interesting. I guess I would assume you would do Tap, rather than Beacon. But 🤷‍♂️

[naive coral]

tap is an option but tap, even on a stealtchanger, is still tap 😅

[golden locust]

It works for me, but to each their own 😉

[naive coral]

oh it works i just like having super fast bed scans 😅

[golden locust]

Makes sense, it's interesting but I have MRW Magbeds on pretty much everything. I do plan on running Beacon on one of my future builds (with Big Chube and Takeoff)

[solid belfry]

Minis or full size? I have a tricorn and 5 conducts that I am waiting on. It is taking ages for Luke to get me my toolheads

I ordered them a month and a half ago

I also preordered a mini but I have my doubts as to when that will come

[solid belfry]

I love ppscf. I need to get like 2 kg of it for this build, but I am putting it off. It is pretty expensive

[golden locust]

Chube Compact. I was one of the testers, I picked up a few, then after trying them, I ordered more 😉

[solid belfry]

How good are they compared to a basic dragon? I am running dragons in my farm printers ATM and I ordered the chube compact to test for that

[golden locust]

Way better, the flow is insane if you push them. I actually had to start printing faster to keep up with them. I decided to move everything over. I had gone down the Revo path, and I was just tired of clogs and other issues. I am standardizing on Compact and a .5 TC nozzle.

The only bad thing is the heater wire in the first few batches was super thick, which is really a pain on Anthead. Hartk had to add more room in the wiring channel to make it fit (and it's still tight).

[solid belfry]

I run .5s for my farm

I swapped away from rapidos after I had a couple scares

The dragons were supposed to be temporary

[golden locust]

I wish I had made that switch earlier. Revo .4 HF and any filled filament was 😡

[solid belfry]

Yeah

The revos are super slow

I have to keep flow at 17mm³

With the rapidos I used 26 but I had a couple have runaway temps

No more ceramic heaters

I had one catch on fire and the other one just turn the toolhead into mush

PC toolhead too

[wind gorge]

Oooh monolith ;)

[naive coral]

Ofc! Only the best is good enough lol

[dusty vessel]

i used to have an issues with PC-ABS, i just heat soak the printer for 15m minimum and 30m if im going to use the whole bed and drop the bed to the middle to have even temps inside the chamber then i would let the beacon do the z offset i get much consistent first layers, and i would add some of vision miner bed adhesive it work very well

[naive coral]

Thermal expansion is no joke 🙂

[naive coral]

Docks are all build

[solid belfry]

Mmmm titanium gantry when?

[solid belfry]

Are those mag docks?

[naive coral]

All stealthchanger docks are mag docks 😅

[solid belfry]

There is a mag dock upgrade from n3mi

[naive coral]

ah yea thats the upgraded n3mi docks for anthead!

[fair spindle]

To prove I am not entirely lazy I decided to assemble a little more. Then I took the picture and realized that I installed my Z rail guards upside down. Looking forward to seeing you get the docks installed so I can come up with more ideas.

[naive coral]

whats up with the alu l brackets on your z rails?

Also looking really good!

im liking the all black color lol

[fair spindle]

They are to prevent insulation from falling forward to interfere with the rails. Since it will be compressed in place using the outer panels

[naive coral]

oh thats smart!

[fair spindle]

You do yours in natural. I have to balance that. It will have a little color on it though

[naive coral]

oh im going for more then just black and silver if you can believe it

[fair spindle]

The color in CAD isnt quit right

[fair spindle]

Gotta bring in a little color when you can.

[naive coral]

[fair spindle]

That is a nice purple!

[naive coral]

It very much is, gonna look awesome once done

i still gotta print all the extruder pats but im trying to add a little purple as well into the mix

[fair spindle]

Yeah, I made those colored panels as inserts so I can change them out pretty easily if I ever want to.

[naive coral]

but for dock mounting your gonna have to wait a week or so .. il be with family over Christmas and im not taking the printer with me hehe

[fair spindle]

Yeah. I not going to be there for a couple more weeks anyway as I still need to order motors on the 1st.

[naive coral]

what motors you going with for this build?

ive been loving the long shaft omc 2504s on #1317580899184807976

this one is using the monolith branded 2504s from ldo

[fair spindle]

2504s all the way around. They are cheap enough. I did print the 2WD front idlers just in case I got bored (or annoyed) with the AWD. In that case I will just move the extras to another machine.

[naive coral]

yea awd is fun .. but with motor_sync its not that bad but still annoying

Chubechanger is 2wd cause a toolchanger is already complex enough

[fair spindle]

No motor_sync allowed as there will not be an accelerometer on the toolhead. I am running 4 extra strans down with the pigtails though just in case I loose my mind trying.

[naive coral]

oh damn your in for a very fun time then

[fair spindle]

I will probably be glad I ordered the extra conductor cable

[naive coral]

yea likely lol

i just hope that il be getting my chubes soonTM .. ive got like everything here but the hotend for it to be a 5 toolhead toolchanger

gonna use two tz 2.0 v6 in the mean time and 2 toolheads is better then none but still 🙏

[fair spindle]

Same. I did print off bambu clone versions of the A4T to hold me over.

[naive coral]

tbf until i can actually get the 2 toolheads to swap reliably il likely have the chubes in hand

im a bit scared of the whole klipper configuration and im not making it any easier on myself by using kalico

[fair spindle]

Same. going hard mode.

[naive coral]

litteraly im using the klipper toolchanger hard fork (cause its kalico compatible)

[fair spindle]

Yup thats what I was referring to 🙂

My only real dilemma is that if I skip the AWD, I can add 2 more toolheads and that might be fun.

[naive coral]

yep .. there is a mod for the dock that has some smaller dock holder holders that allow for monolith awd

but im totally sure if you actually loose a toolhead by going awd

[fair spindle]

My real limit is that with the single MCU, I am limited to 10 steppers. With AWD, 8 of them would be for motion, leaving only 2 for toolheads, Which is honestly enough, except for the desire to tinker

[naive coral]

Ah damn well could add a second mainboard but i know how much you hate that idea

[robust yew]

Looking tough! I’m normally anti-tophat but that may change
Is this also toolchanger build?

[fair spindle]

It is a toolchanger, and that isn’t a top hat, it is an electronics bay. Hv on the bottom, LV on the top. We aren’t going to steal Jakobs thread though 😉

[naive coral]

I am lining the doom cube build style

And i almost went the doom way as well

Lets see if i regret having all electronics on the bottom

[fair spindle]

It started because I wanted to use the micron style Z drives. The project scope may have creeped a little bit. 😂

[hexed cape]

I wanna sidepack so bad lol

[naive coral]

Scope cant creep if there is none to beginn with

[fair spindle]

This actually makes me feel a lot better about it. 😂

[vestal orchid]

Is 80w enough to substain max flowrate of 0.8mm nozzle on a chube compact hotend? I have some doubts

[solid belfry]

The biggest question is why you are using a .8 on a chube compact

[vestal orchid]

Print faster?

[solid belfry]

Is it a large ish format printer? Or are you just sizing your nozzle to your part details

I don't think the chube compact was designed with anything above a .6 in mind.

[vestal orchid]

v2.4 300 and yeah the part has no details

Well I saw their flow calculator says 0.8mm nozzle 80mm3 max flowrate

with chube compact

[solid belfry]

Oh ok I read your message wrong

Nevermind I did

[solid belfry]

Yeah I believe that, but you will need a beefy extruder

[vestal orchid]

orbiter v2.5

[solid belfry]

Idk I assume that would work

[vestal orchid]

• turbiter

I hope so lol

[solid belfry]

I run orbiter 2/2.5 on 4 of my farm printers and it works really well

[vestal orchid]

Great to hear

[solid belfry]

What is turbiter?

[vestal orchid]

and you think 80w is then enough for the chube compact?

I'm having a hard time to decide between dragon uuhf vs chube compact
The price plays a role aswell

[vestal orchid]

Stepper motor active cooling with a fan

so you can increase current for more holding force

[naive coral]

Maybe? Likely? I hope so? I dont have my chubes just yet :((

[vestal orchid]

It's a difficult choice

[naive coral]

But i do have a chube air and that hotend is incredible reliable and high flow so i expect the chube compact to be an incredibly good hotend as well!

[vestal orchid]

No doubts about that, only if it was less expensive I'd go for it with no second thoughts 😢

[solid belfry]

When Luke gets the chube air back in stock I will jump on it. I need an air for prototyping and I made the mistake of getting a bunch of conducts

[rugged juniper]

80W is the sweet spot for compact. Enough overhead for high temp/flow, its a VERY efficient hotend, more so than chube air and conduction from what Luke has said.

[naive coral]

Anthead does kinda look all goofy with Papileo on top 😅

[candid stream]

There's a mod with integrated papulio

[wind gorge]

!!! its cute

[naive coral]

yea im aware i just wanted to keep the toolheads as simple as possible 😅

i could in theory mount the toolhead board to the front for maximum goffy looks lol

[fair spindle]

To answer your question from the other server, yeah it is OK for that gear to sit against the washer and the housing. Those screws don't get tightened down completely (recommend adding some VC3 to them if you have them). The belts and position of the filament keep it from getting too tight.

[naive coral]

thx .. i still need to find/design a toolhead board mount that isnt the bulky stock one and then i can get a toolhead up and running

ive got so many projects and stuff to do and no time/energy for any of it lol

[robust yew]

Felt that in my soul

[fair spindle]

We have panels!

[naive coral]

awesome! I kinda wanted to work more on the printer during my holiday but other projects had priority but maybe soon

and if i wait long enough then maybe i could already have me my chubes

[fair spindle]

Yeah, part of the reason I am not rushing.

Now that the test assembly is done I guess it is time for me to make my own thread

[naive coral]

if you do ping me! I wanna follow along for sure!

[sour crest]

subscribing to this

😄

[naive coral]

ey nice! I kinda do wanna work on the machine but on the other hand id rather wait for the chubes to arrive 😅

[sour crest]

chube toolchanger is honestly wild

i'm happy with my goliaths, will be putting ruby nozzles on all

@naive coral hey, is your printer also AWD? do you have a wiring guide that you know of anywhere for AWD motor positioning? Like which one is A1 B1 A2 B2 and how to configure them lol

[naive coral]

no 2wd

its a toolchanger not a speed machine 😅

[rugged juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-por-que-no-los-dos-yey-gif-15089379

[solid belfry]

Smarter than me. I shouldn’t have started a thread before I had all of my parts

[solid belfry]

How many goliaths?

[sour crest]

6

@fair spindle hey!

[solid belfry]

Awd is just dumb on a toolchanger. To fit more tools it is a massive pain in the butt because you have to offset the tools inwards. The current offerings for tool changer tool heads are just terrible. Once there are some better options out there it would be worth considering

[solid belfry]

Damn.

[solid belfry]

What tool heads are you going to be using?

[sour crest]

i completely disagree.

Monolith 6 tool AWD toolchanger in #1305231072992301208

Rapidburner Goliaths.

ongoing build for over a year, just had to take a long break thanks to life.

[solid belfry]

Ahh ok

I am running awd for my stealthchanger build

But I am also working on getting a tool head together as well as an slm monolith carriage

[solid belfry]

There isn’t a good way to utilize the torque and accels of awd when the tool head has the center of mass of a giraffe

[sour crest]

and why would it?

[solid belfry]

Because they are normal toolheads that have both a backplate and a carriage that is spacing them out from the rail

That is 80% of the limiting factor

The umbilical mount is another one but that has mostly been solved with coil spring stock

Until the center of mass can be fixed by making a stealthchanger specific toolhead there is always going to be extra leverage on the coupling and inability to get good input shaper results

It is a lot like a vzbot except worse because the tool heads are heavier

[naive coral]

@sour crest have a look how i have solved said problem

Sinplest solution is the monolith slm belt clamp that you put inbetween the x carriage and the stealthchanger carriage

[sour crest]

link them for me pls ❤️

i can't find them anywhere

[sour crest]

wait im confused

how does that fix it? the issue for me isn't the belt being too forwards lol

moving the carriage more forwards won't do anything for me

its' the XY joints that're the issue

they need to come 2mm or so more forwards so i can pass the belts back in this way lol

orrrr i just get the belt locks somewhere

https://github.com/MikeYankeeOscarBeta/belt_lock

this is probably the fix for me

[naive coral]

right now your belts looks like this .. witch is bad

[sour crest]

moving the carriage forwards isn't the fix for this though.

i'd need to clamp the belts onto the carriage itself

[naive coral]

have you actually looked at what ive done? 🙂

[sour crest]

yeah

[naive coral]

https://github.com/Monolith3D/MISC/tree/main/Monolith_SLM_belt_clamps

[naive coral]

yea the silver bit is the slm bilt clamp that you clamp the belts into using the cnc shuttle

and because the slm belt clamp is designed for the monolith gantry the belt spacing is now correct

[sour crest]

yeah i'm confused cos my belts are aligned with the mgn12

like if i didn't have to clamp them inverted

for me this would just push the belts out further

oh wait

[solid belfry]

@naive coral do you have any updates?

[naive coral]

Nope im currently sick and also dont wanna continue until i have my chubes 😅

I did almost finish one toolhead so maybe il get that one up and running in the next week or two

But from lukes update post it does kinda look like that the chubeC's are delayed once more :(

[sour crest]

Feel better soon! Is it the damned influenza A?

I caught it 2.5 weeks ago, still fatigued Asf. Wish you a speedy recovery and hope it’s not A

It’s funny that ur waiting on tool heads and im waiting on gantry

[naive coral]

thx, i hope that its over soon 😅

[naive coral]

yeaaaaa kinda does suck having to wait for it but it is what it is. I do have two tz v6 2.0 hotends here so i could in theory get it up and running as a toolchanger .. but im also lacking a bit in the motivational department

got a couple differnt projects going on right now as well that have my full attention

[hexed cape]

Yea, about five weeks plus shipping, we'll be glad if they arrive before SMRRF

[sour crest]

reprap 😄

[naive coral]

:(

yea likely

[sour crest]

take your time

my gantry will take forever to dial down

i'm thinking of using printed instead of sheet metal spacers

and i'm also running a carto instead of stealthtap so got a lot of umbilical fuckery to figure out

you got a serial for the printer yet?

[naive coral]

but dont you already have the metal spacers?

[sour crest]

2.6mm thick not 2.5

[naive coral]

Does that really matter?

[sour crest]

i believe it does for shaft length and belt alignment

[naive coral]

im not following. what does shaft length and belt alignment have todo for your structural panel spacer?

[sour crest]

no gantry spacers

5mm or 2x2.5mm gantry spacers

[naive coral]

Gantry spacer? Im not following 😅

[sour crest]

monolith sheet metal uses 5mm spacers to mount the motor mounts and xy joints

[naive coral]

Toolhead Nr1 is all wired up. I havent pluged it in just yet cause i still need to double and dripple check every connection for wiring errors.

[naive coral]

Fired the printer up and nothing blow up! 🥳

T0 is configured as well. Now i just need to figure KTC-Hard out and get the first tool working 😅 🤯

[acoustic lake]

why are you using papilio? Always been interested in it but haven't had a reason to try it out

[naive coral]

I wanna print some really soft tpu and also belted extruders seam kinda fun

Docks have all been installed as well.

[acoustic lake]

may be perspective but that z idler seems crooked

[naive coral]

yea z idler belt tension is all over the place. i havent tuned them in cause im replacing the alu extrusions that the z idlers are mounted to soontm

[acoustic lake]

just don't make it a permanent temporary thing

[naive coral]

im trying

[wind gorge]

Oooh ktc hard user!!

I installed it the other day, I followed the ktc-e setup on stealthchanger.com and then wrote up the ktc-e to ktc-h migration instructions on the ktc-h GitHub (bottom of the main readme)

[naive coral]

yea seams like one of the options that support kalico and im never touching klipper ever again

[sour crest]

nice docks! I see you fit a rossbar too

Man I'm really jealous that you can fit 4 magnets

I can only fit 2 with the rapidburners

[wind gorge]

which model? I have 4 on dragonburner

[sour crest]

rapidburner goliath

[wind gorge]

it doesn't have 4-6?

[sour crest]

nope, 2.

i had to design the goliath mounts myself

the dock frame left/rights

how do you have 4 mags on dragonburner / where's ur magnets?

[wind gorge]

same bottom half geometry as dragonburner right? I wonder if you could smash 2 stls together in blender or something

[sour crest]

i can CAD, isn't the issue

i'm curious where the magnets are

[wind gorge]

https://discord.com/channels/1226846451028725821/1320029517376655462

I got them from here

https://www.printables.com/model/1431032-dragon-burner-stealthchanger-6-mag\

[sour crest]

very interesting

i could just redesign the cowl and bottom one

granted everything's printed in SLS so it's pretty expensive to replace.

I miss my old formlabs buddy.. they quit

[wind gorge]

darn, maybe 2 is good enough for alignment though

with 4 I can tip my printer on its side and it stays lol

[sour crest]

it's good enough for alignment, not for holding the tool in place while i tilt the printer to work on the e-bay

[wind gorge]

ah yea

[sour crest]

broke 3 cowls or so thanks to that

also tbh the alignment isn't the best either with just 2

i should just design a new cowl that supports 6 mags and use that bottom base

rn i'm adding a spacer to these screws to bring them out far enough, then docking with screws on magnets lol

so it's even weaker than most 2 mag setups

this is an upgrade i can think of in the future for sure

if i was using standard rapidburner my life would be so much easier

but nooooo I had to go with goliaths.

@naive coral sorry to hijack your thread!

[wind gorge]

ooh do you have a build log? Im cuious of your extra long rapidburner

[torn plover]

Would you consider a front TH board mount? This is what I've used for years on MiniSB derivatives with PapLites. Wanna move to AntHeads and probably will update for those. I know there's an integrated mod but I prefer modularity here.

[naive coral]

oh that doesnt looks to bad 🤔

[naive coral]

there is a version with the toolhead board infront already but there aint no cover for it and that would just looks really bad

[naive coral]

its alright im used to it

[fair spindle]

You rang?

[naive coral]

It took a while but with a lot of help from the Draftshift Discord one toolhead its finally printing!

[wind gorge]

!!!!! Niceeee is it running ktc or just standard?

[naive coral]

kalico + ktc hard!

[wind gorge]

Contomo is a goat

[naive coral]

Yea he is awesome, without him i would be fully and royally screwed 😅

[wind gorge]

Hehe how did you set up the cfgs?

[naive coral]

with blood and tears

[wind gorge]

I wonder if the readme section I added is helpful since no one has tried the route before

[naive coral]

but its setup exactly like this

[wind gorge]

Oh nice!

I wrote that part hehe

[naive coral]

oh nice .. yea it was really helpfully in knowing what files i needed and where to put them

[wind gorge]

Well borrowed that ascii from one of the ktc-e or stealthchanger.com and edited

[naive coral]

i mean the docs are better then expected tbh

i expected a whole lot of nothing in therms of documentation :D

[wind gorge]

Yea it was very nicely made

(the website)

[naive coral]

Next thing i need to focus on is desinging acm panels and getting them ordered

id love to print asa sooner rather then way later

And for insulation im thinking about 10mm cork sheets. It would fit very nicely into the machine

[solid belfry]

Wait

[naive coral]

*without blowing up my bank account that is

[solid belfry]

Did you get your chubes?

[naive coral]

lol

i wish

im using a tz v6 2.0 right now

Not bad for a first print!

[naive coral]

I kinda wanna try Antpap but that appears to not be happening cause the lowered extruder interferes with the anthead carriage

i do like Papileo and it prints realy nice (from the two prints ive done lol) but its so incredibly wobbly that im not really feeling confident running that setup long term

Ive spend over an hour today trying (and failing) to modify Anthead + papileo to maybe make a Stealthchanger compatible Antpap but Fusion is not playing my game :(

Not entirely sure what im gonna do 🤔

[unkempt sierra]

I always support pap lol. Printed spacer an option? Would add Bowden length but don’t see why it wouldn’t work? Idk. Spitballing here lol. I’ll ask the guys in Kevin’s discord if anyone has done anything about that

[naive coral]

i doubt you can do anythign without a full redesigned of one part or another

the lowered extruder is "by designed"

[unkempt sierra]

[naive coral]

yea it really does look like il have to do it myself

i dont wanna and id rather have something that already works then taking on yet another project

[unkempt sierra]

would adding some height to the extruder base interfere with it while the tool is docked? probably wouldnt help AT ALL with how wiggly it is but could bolt it up in another spot if youre going that far

but also i agree, more work than anyone wants to do haha

[patent tulip]

Jakob's using FPVGeeks anthead x pap usermod

[naive coral]

yea thats the one

[patent tulip]

I believe, so a little more involved than a spacer, yeah?

[naive coral]

it very much is yea

its basically a compeltly rework of the extruder/toolhead

[unkempt sierra]

im trying to load the TBG/HGX version but fusion is doing fusion things lol

[patent tulip]

pap does have that badonkadonk

[unkempt sierra]

dont think itd be noticeably shorter plus youd have to do the whole initial rework lol

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-we're-boned-we're-boned-breaking-bad-we're-boned-boned-gif-10074967767725199406

[naive coral]

yea i mean im loving the papileo extruder but with it beeing mounted with only 2 screws, and all the weight beeing beind the screws, its hella wobbly

[unkempt sierra]

you can use the cursed EBB front housing for enders and add a motor mount to the front

lol

[patent tulip]

oh, the 3rd point isn't in teh user mod?

[naive coral]

yea cant be used because with Stealtchanger there is a screw directly below the 3rd mounting point

its a bit of a shitshow

[patent tulip]

Since Kev did say it publicly in his papchannel, would 19mm body be thin enough to clear the carriage mount? Once the new design is finalized

[naive coral]

The hight above the extruder doesnt matter cause there is enough space. The stealthchanger carriage is/needs to be on the same hight as the stock Anthead extruder mounting plate

[patent tulip]

I know, I'm talking thinner. so it would be bringing that whole backside and center of gravity in. Cause judging by the screenshot it's the rear housing of the pap that's interferring with the carriage, right?

[naive coral]

yep its the part in red thats interfering

and also the stealthchanger carriage is mounted with 3 screws, one of them beeing at the top .. but that should maybe be fine

mhm there would be enough material to remove some from the extruder plastic without issue witch would then allow the carriage to mount

[sour crest]

@naive coral can't believe you're printing already, congrats 😂

my z belts are off and the gantry is set to come out, every tool is also disconnected and needing a full rebuild

serialize it 😄

[naive coral]

this might actually work 🤔 Still need to clean all the parts up bit but i should be able to print one for testing soonTM

[naive coral]

thx and hurry up! i cant be the leader in this race

but maybe delay @fair spindle package a bit more so that im defiantly wining

[sour crest]

waiting on a TON of parts including Zbilical and a full toolhead set rebuild

😂 its getting shipped out tmr @fair spindle

[naive coral]

https://klipy.com/gifs/move-faster

[sour crest]

i found box and packaging, it's cute and tiny

@naive coral i really woudln't recommend cpaped stealthchanger

that sounds like an extra umbilical nightmare.

[naive coral]

yea im not gonna lol

[sour crest]

😂

i'm so excited

i've halted progress until my 6mag cowls & docks arrive

& ofc the carbonara x beam parts

but yeah @naive coral i've received all the cartographer mounting & umbilical routing parts

[naive coral]

nice

[sour crest]

in pc-abs

[naive coral]

fancy stuff

[sour crest]

well the slspa12 version of them are coming soon 😂

i'm a little curious which is stronger. PC ABS or PC-CF?

[naive coral]

that depends a LOT on what brand made that pc abs or pccf

[sour crest]

assume same brand & both good quality

and pure pc-abs, pc-cf

[naive coral]

if its actually "requring a 120c chamber pc" then pccf would blow pcabs out of the water

[sour crest]

o7

[naive coral]

but there aint no "pure pc"

[sour crest]

in3dtec is printing me some pc-cf

[naive coral]

there x differnt base pc / abs polymers that you can choice from

[sour crest]

so i'm excited to try them out for functional parts

[naive coral]

gotta read datasheets (and understand them) to make an educated guess at what is better :)

[sour crest]

ugh. Now I wish i serialized Froron before chubechanger 😂

now it can't print anything, the z belts are off and all the same size now 😂

i'm planning on a full re-wiring of the e-bay as well

my scope creep knows no bounds

but yeah @naive coral i'm having to resort to ratchet strapping the tools and the docks together to be able to tilt and flip the printer

this is really not ideal, and i'm super excited for Formlabs to send over the newest PA12 cowls & docks with my 6mag mod

[wind gorge]

I worry 6 magnet would be too much sticking force lol

[sour crest]

well it's 4 6x1.5mm magnets sticking to 4 6x 2mm magnets, and 2 m3 screws sticking to 6x3mm magnets

so technically.. there's only 3.33 magnets

[naive coral]

why do none of the cad files match up with themselfs .. thats the stealtchanger carriage

thouse two screws should be centered on the hole onthe black part

but at last they are not

[sour crest]

noticed this myself. There's a LOT of errors in converting from STEP to SLDPRT in my case

[naive coral]

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-hate-this-so-much-frustrated-1

i dont wanna start reworking perfectly "good" parts

yet another side quest wont hurt me .. right? right???

[sour crest]

me when getting carbonara and updating my perfectly fine tools to 6mag

are you sure the mate there is good?

it seems offset to the side a little bit which would explain not being centered

[naive coral]

mhm yea maybe . il have a look at it tomorrow

going to bed now

[naive coral]

yea your right .. its just moved in the original cad file

and is quit a bit of interfernce between the duct fan and the extruder body

[sour crest]

is this fusion btw?

i'm still struggling with solidworks, no clue how to do most basic CAD shit cos i'm ass

[naive coral]

Yea

The pain of my existens

But its free so il accept the never ending pain

[sour crest]

i am a filthy linux iso yoinker

[naive coral]

Im printing all the parts that i think i would need for Antpap and im gonna start chopping parts of by hand to see if i can make them all fit and then modify the files 😅

Also the logo on the front of the toolhead is getting removed. Im open for suggestions what else to put there! I could write C H U B E across all the toolheads 🤔

[solid belfry]

Just write chode

[naive coral]

Just cause my chubes are small? :(

[solid belfry]

🙁

Yes and we need to make sure that luke stays angry while he takes forever to get us the mini chubes

[naive coral]

So ive printed all the parts for Antpap with as little material as possible for testing. Choping one of the papileo partsand a stealth changer spacer up seams to work just fine

The carriage will need to modified as well to leave space for the motor

But all in all it seams doable.

[sour crest]

why

😭

actually yes do it redo all your tools as antpap

[naive coral]

#1434612830614585476 message

[sour crest]

😂

yeah i mean r u actuaully planning to run antpap stealthchangers

[naive coral]

yea it loos pretty good ngl

just ignore the hot garbage print quality

[sour crest]

damn that looks pretty good too

i agree

oh did u print it on chubechanger?

[naive coral]

on the trident with 300x speed

and a apparently not so clean nozzle .. ig a broken nozzle cleaner doesnt help ey

[naive coral]

So looks like my plan is actually going to work! Onlything left to modify is the Stealtchanger carriage and design my own toolhead mounting thingy

[naive coral]

Gonna start a testprint soon to see if everything fits together!

The top logo will still need changing but il do that once ive confirmed that all parts fit together

Onlything that i dont yet know is the toolhead board mount

[sour crest]

@naive coral so what is this for 💀

Also, you should build a madmax stealthchanger

that will be funny

[naive coral]

No lol

[sour crest]

aw

anyways so ur gonna antpap?

[naive coral]

modified antpap but yes

[sour crest]

Like antpap stealthchanger??

It’d be sick

I’m just waiting on someone to use a 120mm server fan

Duct it into a coap tube lol

[naive coral]

yep

[naive coral]

Think a big fat monolith logo at the top and a smaller Stealtchanger one at the bottom would do nicely

[verbal folio]

Looking good Jakob!

[naive coral]

Thx, the purple/black is a killer combo!

[verbal folio]

Always!

[naive coral]

Guess the draft shift logo on the bottom aint happening as its way to small and wont print right.

[hexed cape]

You might as well fit it with knomi

[naive coral]

eww no

[solid belfry]

It is like a a better looking mini stealthburner

[naive coral]

And a better printing one too since its a belted extruder!

[naive coral]

Ordered 5x LLL Plus since they are on sale right now.

[solid belfry]

Let me know if you like them

If so i will order some

[naive coral]

Im already using one on my trident and im very happy with it!

[fair spindle]

I really need to get one of them so I stop pulling a 5kg spool directly with the WWBMG

[naive coral]

Yep and i payed 30€ a piece for an assembled version

[sour crest]

Lmao same here but what do they even really do

[candid stream]

Let me know how you mount them . I plan to add one for each Indx tool

Just bought another as I want to try to connect it via USB

Should work better as it can be added as a secondary extruder. Also bought a kit, as I want to try a couple mods for the printed parts. And their printed parts are atrocious

[naive coral]

I will once ive got that figured out

Im thinking maybe on the top or maybe on the sides

[thorny spruce]

true. but if you make the mechanism wider by shifting the pins to the side of the carriage sacrificing x instead of y it should do it some good.
also not having the belt clamped behond the carriage.

there's many things one could do to make it slimmer.

[naive coral]

Continuing the toolhead development .. ive extended one more screw to make it so that it is now also responsible for holding the entire extruder together since i had to remove one screw when i shortened the base lower cover!

[naive coral]

ive also added support for pc4-m6 ptfe connectors as I'm not a fan of the ptfe couplings that you push into a part! The threads into the part are formed by the pc4-m6 connector itself!

[sour crest]

wait, these are belt driven extruders?

what extruder is this?

that's so cool, i assume super soft filaments right

[wind gorge]

papileo lite!

[sour crest]

very cool 😄

what mounting pattern?

Wonder if i can just directly plop it on rbgs

interesting sherpa mini

i might build a tool for this

[verbal folio]

Papilio Lite from @gusty dove
I know he's working on something new 😁

[gusty dove]

That's a crazy Design

[naive coral]

the integrated design isnt mine (just to make it clear) im just modding it to make it fit my toolchanger build 😅

but yea im loving the look of it and how it all interlocks!

[gusty dove]

Who made that?

I really should spent more time with 3d printing things 😄

[naive coral]

@merry pasture is the original designer!

[gusty dove]

Ha, I know him!

[naive coral]

So its not pretty .. but it might maybe possibly actually work 😅

[naive coral]

Tweaked the outline of the mount a bit more to make it look less garbage

Only thing left is the cable/strain relieve mount and then i can start a print before i go to bed later today!

[naive coral]

Strain relive is designed as well. I'm hopping that the channel + screw is enough to hold the flat spring coil down!

If anyone is interested in the toolhead, I've got the files uploaded over on the Stealthchanger Discord -> https://discord.com/channels/1226846451028725821/1468028875161211035

[sour crest]

i'm quite excited to see this work 😄

i'm going to figure out mates and stuff in solidworks as well so i can design RBGPap

[naive coral]

well you will soon! The parts for it are almost printed

[naive coral]

Parts have finished printing! Sadly the backplate and one Papileo part have warped badly and will need reprinting!

If all goes well il have them all bevor i go to bed today so that i can start assembly tomorrow.

[sour crest]

Is the multicolor done with chubechanger?

[naive coral]

no multicolor here (just yet). The purple part is a (not so well fitting) insert

[sour crest]

Make a really big neopixel for that

[naive coral]

im not putting lights into toolheads

a lot of wires for nothing and also kalicos is_non_critical wont work

[sour crest]

i'm never switching off of base klipper probably

[naive coral]

https://klipy.com/gifs/zzzzzzz-1

how can you say that when you have never experienced perfection

[naive coral]

Well ive assembled the printed backplate .. and its not moving very nicely at all :(

Its the same printer and same (dry) filament with the same part (except a tiny cut-out) printed in the same direction as the current backplate. Id wish we had cnc backplates

ive put the backplate in the trident chamber, maybe that will help a bit

Putting the backplate in the printer chamber, waiting till its hot and then putting it on the shuttle seams to be doing the trick!

[sour crest]

a not so wise man (me) said slm is always an option 😉

[naive coral]

This looks .. so good!

[naive coral]

well yes but no

It does kinda suck but TreeD Pc PBT GF really does need to be printed part by part or else one is in for a bad time :D

On the upside, supports are an absolute joy!

This cake definatly does come in layers but damn is it tasty and man will it suck to dissasmble later on 🤣

Backplate also fits like a glove!

[violet rapids]

Tool heads are like onions

They have layers

[naive coral]

Very much!

[naive coral]

Extruder is assembled and the backplate has also finished printing and its flat!

[sour crest]

That looks like a very complex extruder haha

i think i'll stick with my WWG2 for now

[naive coral]

Its really not that bad once youve figured it out

[fair spindle]

Paps are fun extruders, looking forward to trying the new one

[hexed cape]

aint belted almost like the best option for TPU and other flexibles?

[naive coral]

yep, one of the reasons why im using papileo instead of something else!

[naive coral]

My screw order has shown up .. just in case anyone was wondering what 3500 screws look like

[hexed cape]

Sea of threads

[wind gorge]

wow lifetime supply

[naive coral]

they should definatly last for a couple of months

[sour crest]

our makerspace got a bolt depot sponsorship and went through it in like 4 months 😂 and now they're asking for cool shit we built with the bolts to get more and i'm like here, over 200 bolts just bolting on panels

[naive coral]

What do yall think, is this too much purple? I kinda wanted to filament change after the first couple of layers with the ducts but the trident isnt complying with my wishes lol

And i think the fan grill will be black 🤔

[naive coral]

yea ive tried idk how many times to print the ducts in two colors but my trident aint complying so single color it is for now.

[sour crest]

nah looks awesome.

[hexed cape]

I think it's balanced pretty well in terms of color

[sour crest]

far superior than my pa12 grey 😂

i like to go one color then use LEDs to change the theme up

[naive coral]

yea it is pretty alright but ive spent a good couple hours trying to get color changing to work (reliably) on my trident but no luck

guess this machine will have to print mutli color prints for itself then, just have to get the chamber hot enough

[wind gorge]

I wish there was a setback in the front profile where the extruder is

currently it looks a bit tooo unified (imo)

[hexed cape]

I may want to get my HTLF going as well because I dont want to do layer swaps while making the SMRRF badge

[naive coral]

So good news is that the parts all fit together, bad news is that tolerances really do stack up and i can not for the live of me get this heat set insert to line up :/

It does look like the hotend mount is leaning back a bit

Going with a toolhead with a single body would have made this all so much easier...

Guess i found the issue. The slid that should hold the hotend isnt perfect, even the ptfe tube is slightly bent.

This is a sideways view from the toolhead. The way its designed right now is that the hotend mount must be right up against the top layer of the extruder but because there are supports used here and pc bridges like not at all, that seams to result in less space witch in turn moves the hotend back.

I would need to move the hotend forward by about 1mm witch isnt really possible cause there is not enough space .. maybe alter the hotend mount part but i would really prefer if i did not have todo that.

Anyone got an idea?😅

maybe il really just modify the hotend mount and call it quits 🤔 The little lip on the hotend mount is 3mm, i can easily remove .8mm without really weaking the mount.

maybe il remove this feature entirely and just have one big support block witch would make printing a lot easier. I dont really see a reason why this wasnt done in the first palce and this change would also keep compatibility for all anthead hotend mounts.

yea no wonder this thing doesnt fitt well lmao

something like this should work. Would also make support removal a lot easier.

[sour crest]

@naive coral

if you're awake

https://github.com/hartk1213/MISC/tree/main/Voron Mods/Voron 2-Trident/2.4/Voron2.4_Z_Umbilical

what are you using for the sheathing on the Zbilical?

i'm using some piano wire but i am still missing any form of wire protection

[naive coral]

i will be using this -> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006731615186.html? "0.3x3x2160mm 1pc"

[naive coral]

Played around a bit and this should work very nicely! Printing a part right now and with a bit of luck my plan will work out.

[naive coral]

Looks like it might just all fit!

[naive coral]

Went together really easily!

[thorny spruce]

good amount of purple 💜

[naive coral]

and its an intense purple as well!

[thorny spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/jhope-arson-jhope-arson-fire-bora-fire-gif-26207734

[sour crest]

I mean wire sheathing not spring steel

What are you using to cover up the wires lol

[naive coral]

oh just random nylon wire sheathing that i have laying around

[naive coral]

Toolheadboard mount seams to work as well

[sour crest]

fire

replace that brass standoff with printed ones tho

why add weight 🙂

[naive coral]

Sooooo it turns out the cad model that i used for tap and the actual tap pcb arent nearly the same thing >:/

[naive coral]

This toolhead is soo heavy i doubt it makes an actual differnce lmao

Il weigh it later

[wind gorge]

rip I also did a few revisions cause of that

just pushed the ebb mounting holes up lol

[naive coral]

All good .. im just build differently 🤣

[wind gorge]

lmao looks good to me

[naive coral]

Il just call that a structurl jst xh connector lol

[naive coral]

This has to be the cleanest toolhead i have ever build :3

Gonna power it on tomorrow and then its time to figure the toolchanging part of a toolchanger out.

[sour crest]

holy 😂

[sour crest]

nitehawk?

either way, print a fan cover for the toolhead. Been really happy with my mcu temps in high temp chambers

[naive coral]

H36 from fystec

[sour crest]

ah

don't forget a heatsink for the tmc2209!

and i'd stick a small heatsink on the stm32 and then mount a 14k rpm 3010 fan on the cover lol

[naive coral]

Oh haha yea i should maybe add that, thx!

[naive coral]

The stm32 will be fine, its the high temp version

[sour crest]

this cover is awesome

[sour crest]

yeah but why not add a fan

cool mcu = better mcu

[naive coral]

Yes maybe

[sour crest]

ill send you my cover step, idk ifi t's compatible with the h36

[naive coral]

I payed for a 130C mcu so im gonna use all of it 🤣

[thorny spruce]

stiffer than printed.

[thorny spruce]

stm32 is fine, driver will start to complain around 80 if you pish currents.
i'll be putting some fans on mine.

[acoustic lake]

Especially if printed like the v0 standoffs, with layer lines along the stress plane

[naive coral]

Good to know! Im currently planning for a 60 - 65C chamber for good enough asa printing.

[thorny spruce]

ah h36 will be fone at that temp, even the lowtemp usb hub is fine at that temp 🙂

[naive coral]

yea, one high temp printer is good enough for me

_ _
**Tool Nr 1 is alive and working 🎉 **

[naive coral]

TOOLS ARE CHANGING🥳 🥳

[naive coral]

Played around with speeds and im managing a 10 second toolchange!

But im sure that i could maybe get to 6 seconds with some more fine tuning

[hexed cape]

I bet the gantry doesn't need to back up that much after unloading the tool

[naive coral]

Yea it definatly doesnt, but i dont yet know where/how i can adjust that

[thorny spruce]

it doesn't, default safe y distance is fairly long. and some people in the community working on optimising the toolchange paths themselves.

[thorny spruce]

safe_y in toolchanger.cfg for one, that is the safe distance from dock and parked tools when you have your thickest tool on.

close_y is distance from shuttle to docked tools when you don't have a tool on.

[naive coral]

its set to 30 right now, but it does look like it moves back a lot more then 30 😅

[thorny spruce]

safe_y is 120 in the pic 🙂

[naive coral]

ah yea, guess il set it to 50 and try again

[thorny spruce]

check it first. how far you need to back it up in y with a tool on to not hit the other tools when moving in x.

[wind gorge]

Huge!!!!

Doesn't it feel amazing :D

[naive coral]

yea its awesome!

Working with Contomo rn to get the first multi color print going

i really could not do this without their help lol

[wind gorge]

Lol yea contomo is a huge help

[naive coral]

Would you look at that, its multi color printing!

It did fail because the umbilical cable got hung up by the frame and it pulled the toolhead of the carriage but il fix that very soon as well

[naive coral]

Ive also ordered a Fystec Hexa distro board because my current plan of using a usb hub isnt going to work very well (because of space constraints).

Next thing on the list is ordering panels .. im trying to figure out if its worth it to design them in a way where i have to bolt them to the frame or mount them to frame the same way stock vorons do it 🤔

i doubt that il take off very often, so maybe just a couple of screws for mounting

screws would be a lot less annyoing then the stock voron way lol

[tepid salmon]

plus direct mount would add some rigidity

[naive coral]

i doubt it since im not using aluminum 😅

gonna use 3mm acm in this build

[tepid salmon]

I feel acm would still help?

[naive coral]

possible but no idea really

im already using a 4040 frame and this isnt a speed machine so its more then rigid enough :D

[tepid salmon]

ah didn't know it was 4040

[naive coral]

main goal is for it to seal the chamber well and not be a hassle to deal with

[tepid salmon]

then still frame mount

or annex clips

[naive coral]

and alu panels are giant hassle to deal with lol

[tepid salmon]

yeah that makes sense

[naive coral]

and also acm has a bunch of pretty colors: https://kunststoffplatten.at/alu-verbundplatte/farbig/

sadly no nice puple lol

but it think im gonna go with gray to match the frame 🤔

[tepid salmon]

Not a bad plan

[naive coral]

and inside is gonna be covered by 10mm cork sheets for some minor insulation

plan is a chamber of max 65c for some colorfull asa printing

[tepid salmon]

Yeah that sounds preem

[naive coral]

Added some very temporary cable sleeving to stop the cables from interfering with each other

[naive coral]

Layer stacking with Papileo is insane! There are some very minor vfas assuming you look at the right angles that is.

Currently ive got two challenges that i need to address before i can actually print unattended:
1: The umbilical's still get in each others way and knocking each others toolhead of the dock.
2: The filament being hard to unspool and the extruder pulling its toolhead of the carriage.

Both can/will be solved soonTM. For 1 ive already got the correct flat spring steel here, i just need to print the correct part for the frame to attach them.
As for 2 all 5 ordered Mello LLL plus should show up within the next week or so.

[sour crest]

awesome, but when are you going to add carto?

😄

can't believe you're online and printing faster than me lol. GG!

I'm stuck waiting for new fans & new psus until Feb 17th.

[solid belfry]

Nasty carto. Beacon is the way

[acoustic lake]

Looks like the mountain my dad used to climb every day when going to school, uphill both ways

[naive coral]

Never, il maybe install the beacon that i have one day but not right now

[naive coral]

im not really printing just yet, gotta do couple things before i can print unattended

so there i still time to beat me lol

[sour crest]

i can't.

Feb 17th is when the new UHP psus get here. the 350-48 is here but the 350-24 will take till then

[naive coral]

youve got time! im gonna sit down for the next couple of days and design a cable management solution that works with the long h36 cables that fystec includes

and also need to design a mount for the fystec h36 distro board that il be using

[hexed cape]

I've seen some CAN expansion backpacks

Other than that I believe you can trim the cable to desired length

[naive coral]

The problem with shortening the cables is that i would also have to ground the shielding and id rather just leave it as it and deal with the longer cables

right now they are long enough to reach into my ebay, so the plan is to have the usb distro board hidden in my ebay

[hexed cape]

Now you got me questioning whether my can cable was shielded or not

Cuz if yea, then I didn't ground it

[sour crest]

Shielded can is wild

@naive coral usb or can?

[naive coral]

usb ofc

im not touching can with a 10 meter stick

[wind gorge]

I shielded my can, it was easy

I didn't cut away the shielding when peeling back, then I rolled it up and shoved it in my can distribution board gnd along with the wire ground

It has those screw terminals

[sour crest]

my question is why bother shielding CAN 😂

[naive coral]

idk but im not using can

as far as i know its pretty important for usb :)

[wind gorge]

Idk just in case 😆 someone on draftshift said they had issue adding a 5th tool cause of noise

[hexed cape]

Well Idk if it was even shielded or not 😄

[naive coral]

Watching the printer perform a tool offset calibration is pretty cool!

[wind gorge]

Best part

[sour crest]

My printer is upside down so still no sexball for me lol

How do you even calibrate sexball position haha

[wind gorge]

kind of just eye balled it