Microwave 2.0

[pine delta]

Most prints have completed successfully. Lol

Total print time on this guy is equal to ~220 hours on the X1C.

@fleet zephyr I love this thing. Maybe I don’t need to think about switching to monolith. Lmao

[open elm]

Atleast wait for monolth cnc befofe you decide anything

Ldo is cooking on an awesome kit

[pine delta]

I could. But I was thinking about a printed gantry cause the metal just makes things louder. I was considering going to monolith with 2 krakens to run the printer a bit quieter. The motor noise is my main issue right now.

[open elm]

Insulation helps keep the sound in!

[pine delta]

Yea. I plan to insulate a little at some point. However it’s not likely to help as much with the PC door. Lol. And I’m not changing that. I love this K3 door.

I’m hoping that switching to 2240 and 36v will help a bit with the noise. I’m fine with the CPAP blower. It’s consistent and not very loud. Just like having a fan on in the background.

[open elm]

yea thats true

#1317580899184807976 has insulation everywhere

[pine delta]

Yes well. Some of us like aesthetics more than others.

[open elm]

a metal box is pretty nice

[pine delta]

I’m annoyed with the panel clips to the point I plan on designing my own versions. 🤣

So yea. Safe to say. I prefer aesthetics and I will keep to that when I do insulation.

Current plan is 1/2in ceramic wool with a ACM panel in front and behind it. Should fit in the sidepack frame so won’t increase the footprint of the printer any.

[fleet zephyr]

Looks solid to me, if it’s good as is then I say keep it lol

[pine delta]

I mean. 10k on Y IS isn’t bad for a 250. Lol.

[pine delta]

Can still see the magnets despite the massive faulty regions around them. Lmao

Really thinking beacon is a next upgrade kind of thing. Shouldn't need the faulty regions that way

Or just do a mesh with beacon touch. Lol

[fleet zephyr]

beacon is quite wonderful, I run my printer once a month maybe and its always dead on

[pine delta]

I think I’m using like 70mm squares around the magnets. Maybe 80mm… lmao. There’s not much of the bed actually being scanned anymore.

[soft zenith]

Okay I'm back home now, so I'm looking at motors wires and drivers, I have most of everything else figured out, may need a better idea of belt length just to be sure I have enough

[pine delta]

You either need 2 2.4m closed loop belts from KB-3D or probably 6-8m of belts from anywhere else.

[soft zenith]

I'm looking at ordering from west3d $10 a meter

Right? .50 per 100mm

[bright aurora]

If its $10 a meter than itd be $1 per 100mm

Since 1Meter is 1000mm

Iirc

Let me double check

Yeah thats right

[soft zenith]

Okay so it's $5 a meter lol

[ionic atlas]

No. I don’t think west3d sells closed loop

That would be open loop that you are buying

[soft zenith]

Yeah I don't need closed loop

[ionic atlas]

Closed loop is nice though

[soft zenith]

Yeah but the sizing and what not, just beyond me lol

[ionic atlas]

Oh you just cut the belts

It isn’t an actual closed loop on the printer

[soft zenith]

Lol okay that makes more sense

[ionic atlas]

It just means that you got a straight cut of the tube instead of a spiral

So you get a lot less belt walk

And belt dust

Overall a lot nicer. People say it lasts longer but belts last so long anyways unless you are running insane tension

[candid ferry]

@pine delta do you have the files available for the skirts and display cowling you used in your microwave side pack build?

[pine delta]

Uh… not handy atm. 😅. I know I posted something somewhere though…

[pine delta]

Check these. I dunno if I put everything in there though. Been a while since I looked at that. https://github.com/Xiar1/Voron/tree/main/Microwave2.0/mods

[candid ferry]

ALRIGHT HTANKS

oops caps

[pine delta]

They just love to be inconvenient.

[candid ferry]

hey sorry to bother your again i just really love your build

what gland did you use for the side pack?

[pine delta]

PG9 I think. I’d have to check the printer though

[naive plaza]

@pine delta do you have a link for uap for voron belts?

[pine delta]

I do not. I custom made the X carriage I’m using.

[naive plaza]

Ahhh thats why i couldn't see it

[pine delta]

I’m using the v4 body (I think) with the v6 x carriage parts. But I took the holes for the belts and flipped the tooth location on them in cad.

[naive plaza]

How much did you gain when you switch to uap

[pine delta]

I dunno. I never had anything else on the printer. Lol. It was built right from the beginning with UAP.

[naive plaza]

It looks cool as well 😎

[candid ferry]

@pine delta what length din rails did you use

[pine delta]

Standard length for a trident 250

[pine delta]

Going to be working on this printer soon. Will be swapping from nema14 AWD to nema17 2wd. Gonna use krakens and run them at 36v with a 30t pulley.

Still going to be running the ole ATSS sheet metal gantry as well.

[pine delta]

I have ordered ATSS nema17 and 30t pulleys!

[bright aurora]

Why?

[pine delta]

Because I like ATSS and it’s on sale and in budget.

[bright aurora]

No swapping from AWD to 2WD.

[pine delta]

Oh! Cause these Nema14’s are quite loud, AWD is kinda getting annoying on the printer that needs to print all the time, and considering I’m going for more reliability over anything, I’ve decided it would be more worthwhile.

[bright aurora]

Can't argue with that

[pine delta]

Not to mention that since I’m planning on slowing it down a lot. It’ll be nicer to run with smoother motors.

[bright aurora]

Id expect just bambu speeds but bit more due to flow

[pine delta]

Ehhhhh. I’m thinking for now just running on the defaults in orca for a Voron.

[bright aurora]

Thats really slow.

[pine delta]

Like I said. Looking for more reliable from it. I’ll probably bump up the speeds a bit eventually. But for now I’ll just be happy with reliable.

[bright aurora]

If you gotta go that slow for reliability smths wrong

[pine delta]

Gotta start somewhere for improving it. Might as well start at the defaults. Right now I can’t get consistent quality from it. I start getting that and I’ll start speeding it up a bit. It’ll still be on 36v and have krakens so not like it can’t. Lol

[bright aurora]

Yeah that should still be pretty speed capable

[pine delta]

But. We’re gonna run it for like 50 print hours with just the defaults to make sure everything’s copacetic.

[bright aurora]

Dont know what that word Means lol

[pine delta]

Everything’s golden. Lol

[bright aurora]

Ah.

Hows HexDent doin?

[pine delta]

I learn new words when listening to books then wanna sound fancy. Lol

[pine delta]

Existing as the world’s loudest printer. 🤣

[bright aurora]

Is it really That loud?

[pine delta]

I only use it a max of a few hours a week for a reason. Lmao

[bright aurora]

Guess you need @misty furnace to make the TMC5262s so you can use the better Stealthchop

Or is it the fans?

[pine delta]

Combination of everything

[bright aurora]

The HexDents chamber dosent seem to be that soundproofed lol

[pine delta]

Doesn’t help I don’t have a chamber. Lol

[bright aurora]

Ah i think I've found your issue

[old viper]

Which toolhead is that? A custom one? If it isnt, could someone send a github link to it for me to check out?

[pine delta]

https://www.printables.com/model/1287910-uap-toolhead

[ionic atlas]

There is no github. Best way to find info on it is on monolith discord. That is where the main active chat for it is. There is also the old fiberstream chat in armchair but that is long dead.

[pine delta]

I remembered to order 6 pin microfits for the krakens!

[pine delta]

Hehe. Old 1504 nema14 on the right. New 3004 nema17 on the left.

And the pulley upgrade to go with it. 🤣

[ionic atlas]

this is going to be weird

[pine delta]

Also going from AWD to 2wd. lol

[ionic atlas]

yeah that will be fun

[pine delta]

I think it will be better overall for print quality too. No more dealing with AWD sync.

[pine delta]

Huh… so that’s what happened last print on the microwave 2.0…. The filament snapped. Lmao

Went to unload it before disassembling half of it and well. What do ya know? It wasn’t an extruder issue after all. Lol

[pine delta]

Well that explains why the filament broke… the galvanic umbilical holder snapped.

[fervent zephyr]

I had the same thing happen recently lol

[pine delta]

First motor replaced with a simple idler!

[pine delta]

Old

New

[fervent zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/brandon-herrera-ak50-thicc-damn-rear-trunnion-gif-19257419

[pine delta]

We don’t even need double shear anymore. 🤣

[pine delta]

Gonna slap the toolhead on and stop there but. SUPER SMOOTH MOVEMENT! Hooray!

Belts are tensioned to 2.5 as well.

[fleet zephyr]

ooh, very nice!

[pine delta]

Also. UAP is removable in one piece. 🤣

[pine delta]

Thanks! I’m hoping this will help for more consistent print quality. Going from AWD nema14 to 2WD nema17.

And my biggest concern has been alleviated. Plenty of clearance from those big shafts.

My belt path is also shorter technically over all now.

[pine delta]

Tomorrow’s plans. Reassemble the panels, wire up the new motors, remove the UHP-48, Make and print an adapter for the cheap 36v psu I got off Amazon, mount said 36v psu, test said 36v psu to verify it is outputting 36v, wire to the M8P, and then finally boot up the printer, edit the config for 2209’s on Z and 2240’s on X/Y, and get back to printing hopefully! I highly doubt these krakens at 36v with 30t pulleys are gonna struggle to do 600mm/s at 30k accel even with just like 1.5-1.6A of run current. Lmao.

[pine delta]

Right motor thermistor is TH2 and Left motor thermistor is TH3

[pine delta]

Amazon cheap PSU installed and we have 36v! Looking good!

[pine delta]

Rear panel installed and CPAP reconnected. Now just printing a new galvanic cause my old one apparently snapped. Lol

[pine delta]

ITS ALIVE!

This is probably the funniest part about it. LOL

Underglow is back too! 😆

@soft zenith Look! I got it back online! Not printing yet but that’s tomorrow. Now you have to get your printer working too!

[soft zenith]

im building a uart cable as we speak lol

[pine delta]

Nice! I kept finding spots where I needed zip ties while I was finishing up the umbilical. Lol

I’m off to sleep. Where hopefully tomorrow we get a print going on it!

[hollow hemlock]

What made you decide to ditch the AWD?

[pine delta]

Noise and simplicity. No longer need to AWD sync every print.

Should be quieter while printing now as well.

[hollow hemlock]

Makes a lot of sense lol. Didn't know there was a sync that had to be done either but makes sense.

Another plus is you can have a door! 😂

[pine delta]

It’s always had a door…

[pine delta]

Yea. With AWD tension is often not equal on both sides of the pulleys for each motor set.

[hollow hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/sealyx-naked-gun-the-naked-gun-facepalm-facepalm-meme-gif-11743768702765397589

Thought it was the one without one. Brain is mushy today XD

[hollow hemlock]

That sounds like a pain, I see why you'd want to make it more simple. I guess now your set up would be considered the 2WD variant? I think that's what I saw it called.

[pine delta]

That’s Hexdent with no chamber currently.

[hollow hemlock]

Been looking at so many projects I can't keep up with which is which apparently.

This one I think is still my favorite aesthetically

[pine delta]

Mine too. Lmao.

[pine delta]

Not bad

Probably should figure out why theres a giant bump on Z...

For reference this was the old AWD nema14 graph

And something very wrong on Y...

OH! 30 SCV. 🤣

Better accel recs now. Lol

Actually its higher than with AWD...

AWD was 13860 and 2WD is 14400... for X anyways.

That's better as well

First print since the new gantry install started!

[pine delta]

Y is down 4k on accels. But that’s fine. I wasn’t planning on going as crazy right now anyways. Lol

[pine delta]

Well first print looks like I either have an extruder problem or my filament is soaking wet…

[pine delta]

Actually… I wonder if it’s my ptfe tube… it was hard to get the filament past one spot in particular.

[pine delta]

Actually my filament is 100% soaked… LOL! Just did a test at open air extruding. It extruded 100mm at 60³ flow with no issue.

[fleet zephyr]

graphs are looking very clean, nice

[ionic atlas]

8500 for a nice clean graph like that is really good

[pine delta]

Got any clues on X? Perhaps just retest with toolhead board adxl?

[ionic atlas]

Looks like either a retest or a toolhead issue

Maybe ask ingstronmentalist about it if it persists

[pine delta]

Eh. I’ll retest and then live with it if it’s still there. 🤣

[ionic atlas]

It could be a configuration thing with your particular setup

The toolhead board and a couple other things could be messing with the center of mass

[pine delta]

I should check my XY joints for loose screws…

[ionic atlas]

Oh yeah definitely do that

There should be a cheap atss xy joint

[pine delta]

They are the stock Voron ones but Mgn12h instead of MGN9H. Lol. But I haven’t rechecked them since building.

[pine delta]

Can’t use it. I have Mgn12h linear rails. V slot frame.

[ionic atlas]

Oh weird

Was v slot all you had at the time?

[pine delta]

Otherwise I’d had Vitalli live idler XY joints. Lol.

[ionic atlas]

I guess you could switch to mgn9 when you get that new frame

[pine delta]

Garage sale Fabreeko sidepack frame. Was like $60. Lol. Normal sidepack frames are $300+

[pine delta]

New frame will belong to #1309948210160205834

[ionic atlas]

Oh that is a deal

[ionic atlas]

Oh ok. Makes sense. Spend the money on the flagship of your printer fleet

[pine delta]

It’s the biggest printer I own. And also currently kinda the ugliest. 🤣

[ionic atlas]

Hopefully not for long

[pine delta]

Kinda doubt I’ll be buying the frame in May now. Since I needed a new monitor for my pc and well. That money is now already spoken for. If I get lucky I might order it.

[ionic atlas]

A triple paycheck month

[pine delta]

Indeed. Next one is October. So if anything I’ll probably do it then.

[ionic atlas]

Tell yourself that the money is “extra printer money”

[pine delta]

How’d you read my mind? 😂

[ionic atlas]

Lol

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[pine delta]

Normally those 3 payday months are in fact printer money. But uh. My monitor has been doing this a lot more lately. So it’s been replaced/upgraded with a newer version and is currently the secondary monitor instead until it permanently dies.

[bright aurora]

and mine too apparently

https://tenor.com/view/homer-brain-monkey-gif-5536092560838425414

[pine delta]

Okay. And funny thing with my wet AF ABS. You could see it drying it while printing thanks to it being in the chamber. 1) Stealthmax S Smart kept having increasing humidity readings. 2) The 2 prints I did improved with time. Lol

[proven sapphire]

I see that too, with Dueling Zero, which has dual internal spool holders. By the time you're a few hours into the print, the quality improves noticeably when the filament starts wet. For years I didn't even dry my filament, but now that Monolith Zero has an external spool holder, the PrintDry is back in action. Took too many crappy prints to realize it was just wet! Internal spool holders spoil you like that.

[pine delta]

I think for me it ended up becoming a combination of wet filament and not printing fast enough… silly Goliath long af meltzone things. Lol

[proven sapphire]

Long hotends are longer springs. Printing fast and at a constant speed has been working well for me lately.

The surprise for me is that with sparkle filament, you might not notice the effect of wetness on side walls, and then bam, top surfaces look like crap with apparent over extrusion.

You can probably tell which one had wet filament!

Lol

[pine delta]

Yes. Yes I can. 🤣

[pine delta]

I might heat the chamber and just leave it to sit for a day. See if that helps the filament (chamber can get to around 60c) before I start diving into my hotend/extruder for a potential issue. Or ask the peeps in #slicers_and_print_help cause after that I have no clue what’s going on.

[pine delta]

Chamber is currently just sitting idle at 50-55c. Just gonna leave it to continue to heat up or just sit at that temp for a day to dry out the ABS spool inside. Lol

[devout depot]

Do you have an air fryer

If not you need to fix that for non printer reasons, but they also work great to dry filament

[bright aurora]

Always need an airfryer no matter what

[pine delta]

I really don’t need one. I almost never need to dry filament. It’s just that I took the spool from the objectively dry chamber and put it in the floor while it was storming for 3 days while I changed gantries. So it’s either wet or I have an extrusion problem.

Right now for the rare occasion where I need a filament dryer I’m saving makerworld points to buy a Bambu labs HT AMS. I’ll be getting it completely free in the end. LOL

[pine delta]

It worked! Chamber sufficiently dried the ABS spool mounted inside it with no problems! New print looks so much better than the old one did. I’m redoing the IS calibration now as there is still some ringing on it. I need to redo PA as well as it seems I read the wrong value from the last test. Nice part with IS calibration this time, I’m doing it hot since I’ll pretty much always be printing hot filaments on this machine.

Also need to remember to move where I’m printing the test cubes at for the next print… the NPA in the middle of the plate is starting to become non existent. Lol

Especially since I shouldn’t be able to remove the print with bed still at temp. LOL

New X

New Y. Gonna run this one more time with the toolhead adxl

Ebb36 results

I think we'll try the ebb36 ones next

We're gonna use smooth ei for both however.

Accels for this print (gonna do PA first still)

[pine delta]

@bright aurora I know I’ve slowed this thing way down but. 22 minutes for a standard Voron settings Voron cube is not bad at all.

[chilly flicker]

I guess for printing you get diminishing returns from the speed after a point (in a way), but tuning gets exponentially harder?

[pine delta]

Tuning does get harder. But I was having consistent issues that I couldn’t pin point. So I decided to go ahead and slow everything down and switch from AWD to 2WD. This printer is meant to be my most reliable printer to mostly replace the Bambu X1C with. So when I was having issues I decided it would be best to tackle them by going simpler.

[chilly flicker]

I was actually happy to see you changed to 2WD because now you are pretty much building a printer that i was planning as well 😅 i almost got a Bambu lately, but been going more towards a reliable / quick enough diy printer instead

[pine delta]

I mainly switched because of noise. I think the Nema14’s I was using were just not great for sound. These krakens are a lot quieter

I might switch back to AWD in the future though. I do love the krakens. LOL

[chilly flicker]

I guess no-one will hold it against you 😂

[pine delta]

Though. It probably helps I’m not using 5160’s anymore as well. 2240’s now. And I desperately want Z back on them. My Z moves are so loud now on 2209’s. Lol