Voron v0.2 shaper issues | VORONDesign | Page 3

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 8:44 PM

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Cause sometimes when you untighten the knob, the motor doesn’t slide to become looser so you just have a loose knob and motor stuck in the same tight position

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 8:45 PM

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Ahhh

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2 on upper belt, 2.2 on lower now

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2.15 and 2.25 ish now

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hasty siren May 11, 2025, 8:48 PM

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Yeah

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That’s about where I’d leave it and use belt shaper

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Did you put the top cross bars on?

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Check for flushness and put the top bars on then run IS

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Belts

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 8:49 PM

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hasty siren Did you put the top cross bars on?

I did not

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Can do now though

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 8:50 PM

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hasty siren That’s about where I’d leave it and use belt shaper

Even with the slight belt(?) racking?

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 8:50 PM

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frosty pagoda Even with the slight belt(?) racking?

Yeah

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Little gap is fine

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 8:51 PM

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Cool, I’ll put the top bars on then

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Just run a belt test?

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ah I gotta comment some stuff out bc I removed heater n such

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https://injured.lol/i9kw96s7.png
yeah that sounds about right

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running a belt test now

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then ill do an IS

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belt

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:13 PM

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A up a tad

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:13 PM

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frosty pagoda ah I gotta comment some stuff out bc I removed heater n such

Could just plug it in around back

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:13 PM

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hasty siren Could just plug it in around back

(i just had to set max temp to 9999999999)

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on that note, do NOT set it to autoscale when ur printing at 1.847.431,8 degrees celcius

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:14 PM

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Bookmarking this

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:14 PM

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hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:14 PM

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lol

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Oh yeah put filament in the orbiter

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:15 PM

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hasty siren A up a tad

(A is the right belt, aka lower, right?)

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:15 PM

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hasty siren Oh yeah put filament in the orbiter

ah

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:16 PM

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Sheep goes baaaa

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B on the left when looking at it, a after b on the right

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:16 PM

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hasty siren Sheep goes baaaa

i also go baaa

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:16 PM

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That’s how I remember it

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:16 PM

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oh, thought we were just dropping fun facts

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like, cows moo

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x

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Y, looking a lot better actually

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:18 PM

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frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:18 PM

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"looking a lot better" 🤣

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:18 PM

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Actually is a bit lol

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Dial in belts

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Did you put filament in orbiter?

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And also is your orbiter new?

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Mine had a loot of IS noise when shaking cause the gearbox had no grease left when I cleaned it off

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Regreased and was better

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:23 PM

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hasty siren Did you put filament in orbiter?

no

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:23 PM

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hasty siren And also is your orbiter new?

very much no

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that thing has been abused

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(had to sand some of it down for a frankenstein project which i ended up scrapping anyway)

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:23 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/ok-oh-yes-yes-o-yeah-yes-no-yes-go-on-yea-yes-gif-14382673246413447193

Tenor

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Should be yes

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Put filament in

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:25 PM

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frosty pagoda (had to sand some of it down for a frankenstein project which i ended up scrappi...

Oh yeah

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Like half a year ago

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😂

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Put some filament in

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Can leave off Ptfe tube

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:28 PM

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hasty siren Put some filament in

Will see if i can find some

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:28 PM

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Also scrunch the idler down tight on it

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:28 PM

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Will do

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gave my friend a bunch of my filament so he could print me some nice skirts

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https://injured.lol/r8wf9yfr.png

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:29 PM

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Just a little piece

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:29 PM

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no complaints though

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:29 PM

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To wedge between the teeth

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:29 PM

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yeah should still have a bunch somewhere

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:29 PM

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/gears

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:31 PM

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Just rerun IS?

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:33 PM

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Yeah might want to snip the top

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I’d it plugged in all the way?

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:33 PM

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Yeah, it's going a bit through, with the screw clamped on it

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:34 PM

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Push it all the way in

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:35 PM

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yea by a bit through, i mean through the entire extruder, + a bit more

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:36 PM

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Snip top belts is

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:37 PM

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hasty siren Snip top belts is

huh

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:37 PM

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Snip extra

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Run belts is

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Then send it here

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Haha

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:38 PM

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ah

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i see LOL

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:43 PM

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The anticipation is killing me haha

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How is it?

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:45 PM

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hasty siren The anticipation is killing me haha

me too lOL

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:45 PM

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hasty siren How is it?

it's at 125hz/134 on the 2nd run

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so ill lyk in about 30s

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drum roll please

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hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:47 PM

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Going the right way

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What’s the belt tensions at?

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Try dropping b slightly

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:47 PM

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hasty siren What’s the belt tensions at?

great question

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wait.

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i didnt tighten the steppers.

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:47 PM

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Lol

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Do like half a nubby

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Untwist on left one

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Do the push and tighten steppers

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:48 PM

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Loosen on left? That one was lower tension at first

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:48 PM

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Yeah

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Wait the loose one was a before

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Did you tighten b?

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:49 PM

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2.1 on left, 2.2 on right

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:50 PM

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hasty siren Did you tighten b?

I didn’t tighten or loosen anything, I just didn’t tighten the screws on the steppers themselves

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:50 PM

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Yeah ignore the belt tension things now

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Loosen the left (b) one slightly

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:51 PM

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Okay steppers are tightened now

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Okay steppers are gonna get loosened now

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:51 PM

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And do the push away from center

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Naa

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Just the left one

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Keep the right one tight you’re chilling

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Like literally 1/10th a turn or half a nubby

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The tap in the knob towards the sides or push it a bit

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:52 PM

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half a nubby is such a funny word

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Yeah I pushed on the stepper then re tightened it

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Did half a nubby

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Ish

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:52 PM

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What else would you call them 😂

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:52 PM

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Knob?😭

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:52 PM

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Yeah tighten and rerun

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That’s like the whole thing

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:52 PM

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True

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I’m too foreign to come up with substitute for the word nubby

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:53 PM

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Half a scallop

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:53 PM

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Half a scallywag

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this is how u know it’s getting late

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:53 PM

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Is it running IS?

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:54 PM

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its homing, then gonna run

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do u want belt, or is

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:54 PM

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Reths gonna kick me from IS

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Belts

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:54 PM

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gonna do a run now

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then post it, and head off for tonight

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:56 PM

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Yeah I think it’ll look good with hotend in

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Run a final Is x and Y as well if you can

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:56 PM

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yeah sure thing

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:56 PM

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hasty siren Yeah I think it’ll look good with hotend in

itll both look and print better i reckon

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atleast print better compared to having no hotend

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 9:59 PM

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Potentially

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 9:59 PM

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hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:01 PM

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Yeah disable steppers

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A up a bit

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One scallop nubby scallywag

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Tighten then do a full set

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And you’re there

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:02 PM

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hasty siren One scallop nubby scallywag

setting a mental note for tomorrow morning

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hoping for a solid 5:30hrs of sleep, printer for 30m, then work

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then home and spend the entire rest of the week on my homelab

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:03 PM

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Good luck

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:03 PM

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will need

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:03 PM

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Did you do x y?

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:03 PM

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heres x

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:03 PM

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hasty siren Did you do x y?

yeah

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:04 PM

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Looking way less racked

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:04 PM

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hasty siren

yup that definitely is a graph

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what part of that gives away that its more / less racked?

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:05 PM

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hasty siren

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:05 PM

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hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:06 PM

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Idk if this is right, @zinc gust is the one to ask

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But the split and the u on the thing instead of aligning

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:06 PM

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Ahhh I see

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:06 PM

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Could be completely wrong lmao I just align it and it works

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:07 PM

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hasty siren Could be completely wrong lmao I just align it and it works

thats the dream, it just working

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:07 PM

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It’s looking like much less noise

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And more expected peaks

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Once you out in hotend I think it’ll align much better

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Might want to bump up accel per hz

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:08 PM

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i can do a run at like, 100 / 150 rn while im getting ready?

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:08 PM

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You can try

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:09 PM

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https://injured.lol/0rtu4zur.png

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:09 PM

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Run it xy 130-150

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I’d do 150

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Scv 5

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:10 PM

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yeah scv is already 5

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it was not having fun in the 60hz range

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im in my room, could hear it from the kitchen

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:10 PM

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What part?

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Toolhead?

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:10 PM

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hasty siren What part?

the printer

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im nowhere near it atm

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:11 PM

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When you do it tomorrow or next time

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Be a bird and use your ear to find where the sounds coming from

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:11 PM

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I know my filter shakes a bunch

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Which def doesn’t help

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:13 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/bird-early-gif-20801511

Tenor

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:13 PM

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Y at 150

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:14 PM

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Yeah it needs hotend in for mass but you can see the peak coming in

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Do this tomorrow and hit low 1e5

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:16 PM

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okay so, to do for tomorrow is

one scallop nubby scallywag on A (right)
install hotend again

then run IS and belt

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:16 PM

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frosty pagoda Y at 150

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Yep

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And keep upping accel/hz in like +25 increments

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:16 PM

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hasty siren

i feel like im reading my doctors handwriting deciphering this

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:16 PM

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Till top left is 1e5

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:16 PM

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ah

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:16 PM

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And the scale on the left is like 0-3

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This scale is 5

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So 5/10 of 1e4

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If it hits 10 then it’s 1e5 scale if that makes sense

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:17 PM

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frosty pagoda i feel like im reading my doctors handwriting deciphering this

This may or may not be related to profession 😂

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:18 PM

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frosty pagoda okay so, to do for tomorrow is one scallop nubby scallywag on A (right) instal...

https://injured.lol/j3pzzta8.png

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:18 PM

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But does that make sense?

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Yeah

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:18 PM

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gotcha, and i do that by upping accel/hz

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okay so, to do for tomorrow is

one scallop nubby scallywag on A (right)
install hotend again

then run IS and belt

then up accel by +25hz, until 1e5, and scale of 0-3

profit

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:18 PM

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frosty pagoda Y at 150

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Scale works like this

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:19 PM

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i dont like that scale

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:19 PM

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Hits 10, then it enter 1e5

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So 1e4 12 in the left is actually =1e5 2

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:20 PM

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frosty pagoda i dont like that scale

Yeah lol

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:20 PM

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frosty pagoda okay so, to do for tomorrow is one scallop nubby scallywag on A (right) instal...

Yep

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1e5 is just pushing the true peak energy higher so it separates it from the rest (noise or false peaks)

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:24 PM

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Gotcha

hasty siren May 11, 2025, 10:26 PM

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Good luck! Gn

frosty pagoda May 11, 2025, 10:26 PM

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Will need ty, gn

frosty pagoda May 12, 2025, 5:15 AM

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No time for testing this morning sadly

hasty siren May 12, 2025, 7:34 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-kramer-thumbs-up-gif-6008099522396906325

Tenor

frosty pagoda May 12, 2025, 7:35 AM

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hasty siren https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-kramer-thumbs-up-gif-6008099522396906325

No time ;P

hasty siren May 16, 2025, 11:21 AM

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Wait a second @frosty pagoda

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You have the wide damping feet

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Have you tried putting stock feet on?

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My k1 had massively more vibrations and noise with similar feet on vs regular on a concrete paver/hard surface

frosty pagoda May 16, 2025, 11:47 AM

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hasty siren Have you tried putting stock feet on?

I have not, can try

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Won’t be immediate, but hopefully early next week?

dense remnant May 16, 2025, 2:01 PM

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Nothing new under the sun yet @frosty pagoda ? cat_sad

frosty pagoda May 16, 2025, 2:03 PM

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dense remnant Nothing new under the sun yet <@955513265969053736> ? <:cat_sad:1037505607512629...

Lots of new, just not for the v0 sadly haha

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This just got here

dense remnant May 16, 2025, 2:09 PM

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frosty pagoda

Where can i pick up? heh

I just had hopes that you found the culprit with those bad shaper results cat_sad

frosty pagoda May 16, 2025, 2:11 PM

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I’m hopeful I’ll find them soon thanks to all the help

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Gotta be narrowed down a lot after rebuilding the entire motion system haha

dense remnant May 16, 2025, 2:33 PM

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Haha yeah that’s the fun part of upgrading that much, starting over heh

errant berry May 23, 2025, 9:17 PM

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frosty pagoda Gotta be narrowed down a lot after rebuilding the entire motion system haha

its been 7 days, how are things going? did u fall deeper into the rabbit hole? 😄

frosty pagoda May 23, 2025, 9:18 PM

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No update recently, been dragging myself into rewiring the house lmao, just for fun I'll plug in the printer and run some more shaper / belt stuff tonight

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Thanks for the ping, I definitely would've forgotten about this for longer

frosty pagoda May 24, 2025, 10:22 PM

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hasty siren Have you tried putting stock feet on?

Gonna try putting these on now, but the IEC inlet could be an issue, i guess i could just detach the PSU foot, and have that sitting loosely ish?

hasty siren May 25, 2025, 4:35 PM

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frosty pagoda Gonna try putting these on now, but the IEC inlet could be an issue, i guess i c...

Yeah just have it on as a test

frosty pagoda May 25, 2025, 4:36 PM

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Perfect, my work contract ends in mid next week so I’ll actually have time to do it outside weekends now

frosty pagoda May 31, 2025, 1:19 PM

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Finally getting around to swapping it, havent had any motivation to work on anything

frosty pagoda May 31, 2025, 1:42 PM

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Installed the old feet on it, I do have to redo the belts though since I added double shear shaft retainers (no bearing yet, just the structure)

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frosty pagoda May 31, 2025, 2:16 PM

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Running some tests now, will post graphs, thanks for the patience

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well then

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that’s after swapping feet, and re-doing my belts bc I added double shear supports

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Wow

frosty pagoda May 31, 2025, 6:36 PM

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I'm wondering if there's any way i can make those feet work, and what exactly is actually causing it, seems weird, maybe the accent pieces? i might play around with it in a bit

hasty siren Jun 1, 2025, 8:44 AM

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frosty pagoda Wow

And there we go

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That’s solid, I’m going to pat myself on the back and say I kinda called it after the 50th guess 😂

hasty siren Jun 1, 2025, 8:45 AM

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frosty pagoda I'm wondering if there's any way i can make those feet work, and what exactly is...

Take better pics of the feet so I can kinda see how it mounts or attaches and I can maybe guess what it is about them?

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At its core, I think certain frequencies will cause it to wobble like a tuning fork at the damping frequency or something

frosty pagoda Jun 1, 2025, 10:17 AM

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hasty siren That’s solid, I’m going to pat myself on the back and say I kinda called it afte...

You were def right 💀

frosty pagoda Jun 1, 2025, 10:18 AM

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hasty siren Take better pics of the feet so I can kinda see how it mounts or attaches and I ...

Sure thing, I’ll grab some videos in like 15ish when I’m back

frosty pagoda Jun 1, 2025, 11:18 AM

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Okay there’s a few parts to this

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So the feet themselves are some like v2, trident feet

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There’s an m6? Or whatever they are, to m3 printed adapter inside

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That screws through an accent piece

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frosty pagoda Jun 1, 2025, 11:53 AM

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Ignore how the foot is placed in this, that’s wrong, I’ll go take a vid n get some pics

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That’s the foot assembly, rinse and repeat for every foot

hasty siren Jun 1, 2025, 1:50 PM

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I would think that’s a lot of plastic flex or the rubber is not compressed enough with weight

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If you do IS and record the feet in slow mo, you might be able to differentiate and isolate it

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Or perhaps a concrete paver with softish high density foam underneath would help the whole thing move together and have the foam underneath absorb the motion forces instead of the feet rocking

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I’ve had ok success with concrete paving slab and foam underneath, the feet don’t flex as much and it doesn’t rock there as much, it’s the whole slab and printer rocking together. But idk if it’s the extra mass that slows the rocking more that’s the effective portion or if it’s the foam underneath that has more give than the rubber feet that helps it more

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If it was me, I’d just run a stockish setup with the feet directly under the vertical extrusions. Or if you really wanted the wider feet, look at how to stiffen it and attach it to the frame at more than one point that can flex

frosty pagoda Jun 1, 2025, 4:15 PM

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gotcha, they'd be nice since they also support the colony clacker door, i could put some weights in the bottom of the printer and see if that helps? 🤣

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Maybe I should also put the door on and check with that

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the parts are pretty beefy, 40% infill printed with voron standard settings

frosty pagoda Jun 1, 2025, 5:58 PM

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I'm trying something funny

I took the rubber feet from the stock feet, and put them on those wide feet, gonna run a test, see how it looks

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Oh wow, and back to the funny graphs, so its definitely the feet themselves, not the rubber ones

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Wonder if i had these made in metal

frosty pagoda Jun 1, 2025, 6:06 PM

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frosty pagoda Oh wow, and back to the funny graphs, so its definitely the feet themselves, not...

Graphs of WIDE FEET + stock rubber dampeners

frosty pagoda Jun 1, 2025, 6:10 PM

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frosty pagoda

Compared to stock feet stock dampeners

hasty siren Jun 2, 2025, 12:22 AM

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frosty pagoda I'm trying something funny I took the rubber feet from the stock feet, and put ...

Nice was gonna suggest this

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Suspected the plastic feet flex more

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I think at 95hz it’s rocking on y

frosty pagoda Jun 2, 2025, 12:28 AM

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i consulted Driftrotor, she had some ideas

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https://injured.lol/a9gllj7d.png

hasty siren Jun 2, 2025, 12:34 AM

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It’d be best to identify where it’s flexing or giving away first, or it’ll just be trial and error -which is also fine but time consuming

frosty pagoda Jun 2, 2025, 12:34 AM

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Might still have the old feet to test, not sure

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if not, this is $5 + a day or two in shipping to try putting more of the dampening rubber feet

hasty siren Jun 2, 2025, 12:43 AM

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Slow mo the feet and take the skirts off so you can see flex

hasty siren Jun 2, 2025, 12:45 AM

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frosty pagoda That’s the foot assembly, rinse and repeat for every foot

hasty siren Jun 2, 2025, 12:45 AM

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frosty pagoda That’s the foot assembly, rinse and repeat for every foot

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My best guess is 1 where the whole foot wobbles and pivots around the screw

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2 might be an issue where the arm for the feet may flex

frosty pagoda Jun 2, 2025, 1:17 AM

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hasty siren Slow mo the feet and take the skirts off so you can see flex

Skirts don’t even exist yet, so that’s easy haha, will run another IS tomorroe, just have to re mount the new feet

frosty pagoda Jun 2, 2025, 1:17 AM

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hasty siren My best guess is 1 where the whole foot wobbles and pivots around the screw

m3x60 screw was annoying to find btw

frosty pagoda Jun 2, 2025, 11:42 AM

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hasty siren Slow mo the feet and take the skirts off so you can see flex

Just took a slow mo of the front foot, couldn’t see any flexing on the video

frosty pagoda Jun 2, 2025, 8:39 PM

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The X axis still seems a bit like, wide? Is there any worry in that, or any way i could clean it up even further? I'm probably gonna do the rest of the IS on the metal stock feet, until i either get the other feet made in metal, or find some other way to get them working better

hasty siren Jun 3, 2025, 1:35 AM

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Usually not, stiffer ridgid machines tend to have that, you can try to bump up to 1e5 to make the peak more apparent and see if that helps

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A lot of rigid monolith builds look like this

frosty pagoda Jun 3, 2025, 8:38 AM

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hasty siren Usually not, stiffer ridgid machines tend to have that, you can try to bump up t...

Gotcha, on another note, if adding those extra feet to the printer doesn’t do anything, do you think getting them CNC’d could help, way overkill, but kinda funny

hasty siren Jun 3, 2025, 9:11 AM

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not if it's the screw that's weak

frosty pagoda Jun 3, 2025, 9:13 AM

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The power supply does it in a different way compared to all the rest

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The PSU has the screw extremely recessed where I can use like a m3x8

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(Need an Allen key to even reach it)

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Whereas the rest have m3x60 screws

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Not sure if that’s better? Downside is that it then has a giant hollow hole all the way down

frosty pagoda Jun 3, 2025, 2:14 PM

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Back to being confused;

I put all the panels on since I wanted to print (crazy, I know right)

Ran an input shaper for fun, keep in mind, this is with the colony clacker door, and micron twist lock clips on 3mm panels and 3mm foam tape.

Including the feet that notoriously have given really bad results

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ADXL is following toolhead umbilical into the back, being zip tied to it, will get a video aswell hahah, I’m just super confused

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zinc gust Jun 3, 2025, 3:40 PM

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while y has a seconday peak, your shaper is reporting 0 vibr on EI.

I would use EI for both x and y, and run a test print

frosty pagoda Jun 3, 2025, 3:53 PM

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Will do, I’m putting on the skirts now since those have finally come into existence

frosty pagoda Jun 3, 2025, 10:24 PM

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Tried printing just a thin sheet to see how the Z offset is, I don't think the right Y rail is completely paralle, despite using like 4 or 5 different tools to make sure it should be

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Both the back right (right above the screw, which i can adjust) and the front right are a bit off compared to the rest

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hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:14 AM

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frosty pagoda

That’s umbilical pull or rails not in line in the front or back (or both)

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:15 AM

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frosty pagoda Tried printing just a thin sheet to see how the Z offset is, I don't think the r...

Only cnc tools help

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:15 AM

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Gotcha

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:15 AM

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Printed ones always has a large variance

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:15 AM

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So this is kinda just trial and error

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What’s the correct way to get it more parallel, is it just loosening most screws and ever so slightly tapping the front up? Since the back is adjustable via the spring

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:16 AM

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I’ve clocked my rails before, error is quite large

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hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:17 AM

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frosty pagoda What’s the correct way to get it more parallel, is it just loosening most screws...

Yep, or measuring rail to extrusion top distance

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But because adjusting rail also kinda compensates for umbilical pull, I prefer just tapping it up or down till flat lol

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:17 AM

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Gotcha, so it’d be fine to just try and tap an end up a tiny bit , should I do both ends since both front and back are kinda messed up?

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:18 AM

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I’d do the fronts only

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Backs hard to get to and set

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:18 AM

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Or get some CNC’d rail aligners💀

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:18 AM

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You want to adjust the 3 points even

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:18 AM

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frosty pagoda Or get some CNC’d rail aligners💀

Don’t haha extrusion tolerances are real bad

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Just adjust 3 points to be even

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And see where it needs to go up or down in the fronts

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:19 AM

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hasty siren Backs hard to get to and set

Shouldn’t be too bad, I didn’t set the screw behind the z extrusions, so I can reach it with a normal screwdriver

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:19 AM

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hasty siren Just adjust 3 points to be even

As in, bed should be even, and then check the rail?

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:19 AM

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frosty pagoda Shouldn’t be too bad, I didn’t set the screw behind the z extrusions, so I can r...

Not needed, can compensate with screws in the back

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:19 AM

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frosty pagoda

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Level these and adjust the front

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Front rails

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:20 AM

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Yeah they’re leveled ish

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Apart from the back right

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:20 AM

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Back left and right leveled so no need for rails

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:20 AM

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The top left got caught in an unlucky flash I think

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:20 AM

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frosty pagoda Apart from the back right

Only level the screws

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:20 AM

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Feels smooth

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:20 AM

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Don’t mind the front left or right

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Including back right

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Haha

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:21 AM

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Yeah I’ll get the screws sorted until the corners I can control are good

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Then I’ll worry about the rail

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Also you’re either up really early, or late 💀

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:21 AM

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Yeah if 3 screws are set, you should have a triangle of level between the screws and the front left and front right will be off

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In diff country haha

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:22 AM

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hasty siren In diff country haha

Ahhh I see

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:22 AM

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hasty siren Yeah if 3 screws are set, you should have a triangle of level between the screws...

Cool, will get those even tomorrow

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:22 AM

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Your feet added on

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Did you change to a more solid ground?

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:22 AM

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hasty siren Did you change to a more solid ground?

No, the opposite, a wooden desk💀

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:22 AM

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Perhaps they were just a tiny bit loose if it’s the same place

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Oh

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:22 AM

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Oh when testing

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Yeah no that was the same spot

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:22 AM

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Probs screws tighter now

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:22 AM

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After all the adxl stuff I put it on my desk

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Yeah likely

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They’re definitely in tight

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:23 AM

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Be careful I’ve stripped the feet screws before

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The extrusion ones

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I’d use locktite to keep it tight instead of cranking

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:23 AM

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These are flathead slotted screws

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Oh extrusion ones

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:23 AM

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The extrusion thread yeah

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:23 AM

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Yikes

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Yeah not ideal

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:23 AM

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Ldo been the most solid thread

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:24 AM

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Gulp

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:24 AM

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Had to jb weld my other extrusions

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:24 AM

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I definitely went at it haha

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:24 AM

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hasty siren Had to jb weld my other extrusions

Oh I had to do that to my bed

hasty siren Jun 4, 2025, 2:24 AM

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Yeah just leave it then

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If it loosens take it out and locktite

frosty pagoda Jun 4, 2025, 2:24 AM

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Yeah will do, I still have some 242

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I’ll make sure to drop some on the plastic parts too for extra strength…!

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Anyway thanks, printed some kinda tool to help move those bed screws and I feel like I just saved my fingers

frosty pagoda Jun 5, 2025, 1:12 AM

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ran into issues, printed all day, suddenly HE heater didn’t work, got the "verify heater" thing, confirmed, doesn't go up, i suspect the picobilical but i cant check until tomorrow

dense remnant Jun 5, 2025, 7:16 AM

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I’d check the wiring first starting at the hotend, then the umbilical wires between toolhead and frame.
Had one wire broken after 300 hours on my ldo kit, despite strain relief.

frosty pagoda Jun 5, 2025, 9:14 AM

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dense remnant I’d check the wiring first starting at the hotend, then the umbilical wires betw...

Yeah, I suppose check continuity of the heater(?), then the cable from the Picobilical, then I
Might swap out the Picobilical for a dumb board

frosty pagoda Jun 5, 2025, 10:11 AM

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can confirm heater has continuity, checking cable

frosty pagoda Jun 5, 2025, 10:46 AM

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Umbilical cable also has continuity

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Cable also has continuity to the screw terminal of the toolhead board

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Couldn’t get continuity from V- on the frame pcb to the toolhead board, so I suppose that’s dead somehow

frosty pagoda Jun 5, 2025, 3:56 PM

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Okay yeah the Picobilical frame board is ded, changed it out, just gotta wire it up

hasty siren Jun 5, 2025, 4:10 PM

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Is the fuse alive

frosty pagoda Jun 5, 2025, 4:34 PM

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hasty siren Is the fuse alive

Yup

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I have a dummy board that I've been meaning to swap it out with anyway, so it's not a huge deal, just a bit annoying haha

frosty pagoda Jun 5, 2025, 11:50 PM

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theoretically it’s wired up now, gonna check tomorrow, I already miss printing hahaha

hasty siren Jun 6, 2025, 2:02 PM

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Is it still dead?

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Is your heater gone?

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@frosty pagoda

frosty pagoda Jun 6, 2025, 2:04 PM

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I switched the picoblical to a dummy board

It worked for one print

I send a 2nd print, heater doesn't heat at all

I send a 3rd print, heats just fine, loses temp gradually until shutoff

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Here you can see attempt #2 and 3

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I'm pretty sure it's a heater connection issue, so i ordered a new heater yesterday since they're cheap

frosty pagoda Jun 7, 2025, 1:28 PM

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New heater installed

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Used some boron nitride for it

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Had an issue with a cable breaking in the umbilical, I’ve replaced that with another (slightly shorter) wire temporarily, ordered some 18awg microfit 3.0 crimps, so I can make one that’s a proper length

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 2:28 AM

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Having a shorting issue now with the heater, printer shuts off when telling it to heat up

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Nothing in klippy log, i just lose mainsail and LED’s / control

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 6:57 AM

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Are you on the Pico?

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And what wattage heater?

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Oh wait a second

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Is your toolhead board still the pico toolhead one and normal umbilical on the back part? Is it compatible/ are the traces the same!

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:09 AM

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hasty siren Are you on the Pico?

No, Timmit99 umbilical

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:09 AM

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hasty siren And what wattage heater?

100w

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:11 AM

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hasty siren Is your toolhead board still the pico toolhead one and normal umbilical on the b...

According to my friend who also switched over, yeah

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:11 AM

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hmm weird

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if you probe it with it turned off

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Do you have continuity?

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I think hotend are front right 2

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:12 AM

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hasty siren I think hotend are front right 2

Back 2 iirc

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Atleast compared to the clip

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Hotend has continuity

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:12 AM

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Probe from heater on the control board to toolhead

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Turned off right?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:13 AM

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Checked resistance both on hotend leads, Picobilical toolhead board screw terminal, frame pcb screw terminal, and leviathan screw terminal

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:13 AM

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When’s it shutting down

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On hotend heat up?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:13 AM

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hasty siren On hotend heat up?

Yes

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:14 AM

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Did you try pid tuning it with steppers off?

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And do you have a 200w psi

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:14 AM

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Steppers weren’t turned on

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:14 AM

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Psu

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:14 AM

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hasty siren And do you have a 200w psi

Yes

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:14 AM

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Wait how many watts is your bed

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:14 AM

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Ac

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:14 AM

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Ahh

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:14 AM

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200w

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This setup has previously worked

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:14 AM

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If you only pid or heat the hotend

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:15 AM

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It’s the same heater i was using, but i wanted to replace the heater to get longer wires, wasn’t comfortable with the old run

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I’m gonna try disconnecting the heater

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Then asking it to heat

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Then disconnected toolhead board, etc etc

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Figure out where it occurs

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:15 AM

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Wait

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Did you recrimp it?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:16 AM

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hasty siren Did you recrimp it?

Yes

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:16 AM

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How tights your crimp?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:16 AM

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Pretty tight, did a few pull tests

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:17 AM

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Hmm is it possibly shorting when hitting x temp

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Also you ordered another one no?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:17 AM

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hasty siren Also you ordered another one no?

I did, that’s the one that’s installed now

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:18 AM

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hasty siren Hmm is it possibly shorting when hitting x temp

Then there’s multiple temps it shut down at, or it shuts down over x

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I tried one where it died at like 84c, then one at 120 something

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:20 AM

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frosty pagoda I tried one where it died at like 84c, then one at 120 something

What part did you recrimp?

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The ends right at the toolhead board right? Not at the heater tube area?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:21 AM

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Yes, the end of the heater wires

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:21 AM

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Sounds like a dodgy connection somewhere or a short potentially

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:21 AM

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frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:21 AM

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hasty siren Sounds like a dodgy connection somewhere or a short potentially

Agree

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Wanted to narrow it down, so I’m gonna start disconnecting stuff to see where it occurs

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:21 AM

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Make sure to check your pins for umbilical for scortch

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:22 AM

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Will do

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:22 AM

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And the frame pcb

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I’ve had it go shoddy before and trigger psu fail safe or just shutdown klipper

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Not sure which but was unresponsive and dimmed the LED’s

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Then went kaput and restarted

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:22 AM

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I didn’t even get like a single log in klippy

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:22 AM

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Yeah me neither

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It just crashes it I think

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:22 AM

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Last thing i know it’s just reporting the target temp, then poof

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:22 AM

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hasty siren It just crashes it I think

Yeah

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Atleast i know it’s just the hotend

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Or rather, somewhere along the hotend

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:23 AM

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Unless it’s the board

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:24 AM

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hasty siren Unless it’s the board

True

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Well that also falls into the ‘that’d suck’ category

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:24 AM

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Try connecting hotend heater or something directly to board

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If you have an extra hotend

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Make sure you have a thermistor to limit temps lol

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:25 AM

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I do have a tz v6 somewhere i think

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:25 AM

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I blew my board something level shifter somehow and it’d shut down instantly when starting heat - doesn’t sound like your issue

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:25 AM

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Oh a dragon hf

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:25 AM

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hasty siren I blew my board something level shifter somehow and it’d shut down instantly whe...

Glad for that last part, would suck replacing the leviathan

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Found a dragon hf i can use

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Just want me to plug that in directly to the leviathan?

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:41 AM

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Yeah probs easiest

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Don’t burn yourself

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Make sure thermistor is as well

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:41 AM

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hasty siren Don’t burn yourself

Ah damnit

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Wait the 24v and GND from the power wires are shared gnd right

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:42 AM

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What

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Yeah

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Is your ssr sucking all the power from leviathan

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:45 AM

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hasty siren Is your ssr sucking all the power from leviathan

Nono i think what’s happening is

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The umbilical and the Picobilical boards don’t show any polarity like colors or +-

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But the gnd on the toolhead board is shared with the rest of the stuff

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:46 AM

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Oh

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Hotend should have separate +-

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:46 AM

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Oh that’s not the shared ground?

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:46 AM

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Wires pins and traces all the way down

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:47 AM

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Gotcha, though the hotend ones were shared

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:47 AM

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I thought you meant leviathan and ssr for bed shared ground

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Might be on ldo one

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I know for umbilical it is t

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Isn’t

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:47 AM

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Ah, I’m using the Picobilical toolhead, and umbilical frame

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:49 AM

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https://github.com/MotorDynamicsLab/LDO-Picobilical/blob/master/Hardware/Toolhead1.1/Picobilical Toolhead Schematic Rev1.1.pdf

GitHub

LDO-Picobilical/Hardware/Toolhead1.1/Picobilical Toolhead Schematic...

Contribute to MotorDynamicsLab/LDO-Picobilical development by creating an account on GitHub.

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Is it working for dragon hf but not for picobilical th and umb back board?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:53 AM

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hasty siren Is it working for dragon hf but not for picobilical th and umb back board?

Haven’t tested, was stuck on if the toolhead board could be sharing gnd with stuff,

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Will try it in a sec

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 8:53 AM

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Dunno why but the picobilical has a ground pin that the umbilical doesn’t

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:57 AM

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hasty siren https://github.com/MotorDynamicsLab/LDO-Picobilical/blob/master/Hardware/Toolhea...

Don’t even know what to make of this 💀

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Hm, issue with testing without the heater is that i keep getting the verify extruder thing

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Which makes sense, but that’s annoying

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:14 AM

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Did you unplug it?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:14 AM

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Yes

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:14 AM

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Can just plug it into leviathan

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The thermistor and hotend

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And leave the original hotend plugged in

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Cause it’ll be disconnected at the board side

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:15 AM

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Yeah but I’m trying to send power to the toolhead board to see if it only happens when the hotend is plugged in

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But it takes like 6-10s, and it shuts down bc verify heater, in like 5

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:19 AM

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Ohh

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Do you have the extra hotend/heater and thermistor handy?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:19 AM

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I do have it, but I’ll have to mess a bit with wires since it has jst xh for the header

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:19 AM

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That’ll tell you if it’s board issue or if it’s wiring/toolhead board issues

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:19 AM

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I can just cut that off

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:19 AM

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hasty siren That’ll tell you if it’s board issue or if it’s wiring/toolhead board issues

True

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I’ll go plug that in

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:20 AM

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Probs start there and trace it backwards from known good

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:20 AM

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Yeah

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:20 AM

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I’m betting it’s burn marks on pin tho

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:27 AM

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Yep that works

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Professional ™️ test setup

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I let it hit 160c before i stopped it

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:30 AM

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Yeah

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Probs the pins I’m betting

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:30 AM

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How would you go about isolating if it’s the frame pcb or the toolhead pcb?

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:31 AM

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Uhh

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I change umbilicals 😅

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But realistically I’d check the frame pcb heater connection

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:31 AM

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hasty siren I change umbilicals 😅

Would if i could haha

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:31 AM

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Usually jammed up pretty tight against the frame

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Did you put ferrules on it?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:32 AM

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hasty siren Usually jammed up pretty tight against the frame

Yeah, ferrules are definitely a bit bent

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:32 AM

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hasty siren Did you put ferrules on it?

Yup

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:32 AM

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frosty pagoda Yeah, ferrules are definitely a bit bent

I cut the shield off

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:32 AM

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Oh good idea

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:32 AM

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And shorten the ferrules after crimping

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:32 AM

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Yeah I’ll prob do that once this thing cools down

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:33 AM

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So it bottoms out and the edge of ferrule is slightly inwards from the connector face

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:34 AM

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Do you cut off the shield before or after crimping it on?

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:34 AM

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Before

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Like a non insulated ferrule

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But I cut the crimped ferrule shorter too

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So the wire insulation goes slightly in and the ferrule and stuff isn’t touching the frame

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Cutting the ferrule shorter is after crimp

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:35 AM

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hasty siren But I cut the crimped ferrule shorter too

Yeah i do that too

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:36 AM

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hasty siren So the wire insulation goes slightly in and the ferrule and stuff isn’t touching...

Gotcha

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Will try this

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Thanks

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:36 AM

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I’m putting my money on the umbilical pins tho

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😂

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:37 AM

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hasty siren I’m putting my money on the umbilical pins tho

Betting on my downfall smh

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Brand new umbilical aswell

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:38 AM

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Jready tool is amazing

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Best tool I’ve ever bought

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:40 AM

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When you say umbilical pins, do you mean the cable pins, or the pins on the board itself?

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:41 AM

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Cable pins

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:42 AM

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Gotcha

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I did change one cable, that’s all that’s changed since last time this was used haha

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:42 AM

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Look for scorch marks in the board connectors

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Which cable did you change?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:42 AM

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Since this happened when i took out the microfit connector, pull checked everything else

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:42 AM

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Lol

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That’s the HE negative

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That makes sense

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:43 AM

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Had a diff cable from a working umbilical that i put in

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:43 AM

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🤣

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Oh

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Did you check if that cable was ok?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:44 AM

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hasty siren Did you check if that cable was ok?

I did not fully check it

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:44 AM

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And how did you depin it?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:44 AM

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hasty siren And how did you depin it?

Knockoff microfit depin tool

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:44 AM

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Jready one?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:44 AM

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Oh

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Yup lmao

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:45 AM

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Try pulling and pushing it in connector

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Senior had any extra play

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See if it has*

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:46 AM

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It’s a pretty tight fit, and takes an actual war to get out

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:48 AM

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Did you push it all the way in?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:48 AM

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Yeah

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:48 AM

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Should be “floating”

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And have a bit of play

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Take a pic from the connector side looking at the pins

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And from the wires side looking down into the wires

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:49 AM

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frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:49 AM

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hasty siren Take a pic from the connector side looking at the pins

Alr sec

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hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:53 AM

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Bend the wires downwards red

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And focus on the green

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:54 AM

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frosty pagoda

Oh floating I mean with it unplugged haha

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:54 AM

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hasty siren Oh floating I mean with it unplugged haha

Oh lmao

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hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:55 AM

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hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:55 AM

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frosty pagoda

That’s deffos not in all the way

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Damn I’m good 🤣

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:55 AM

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hasty siren Damn I’m good 🤣

Hahah

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I’ll go check, looked like it from the other end

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It’s a bit of a different crimp

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 9:55 AM

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Get a tweezer or something

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Push it in

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But before that

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Unplug it

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Make sure it’s fully seated

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And like deep in there

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Then plug it in and see if it happens again

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Also see if there’s any arcing scorch marks on the pin

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 9:58 AM

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Will do, gonna see if i can find my tweezers first

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Gotem

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Is there some kinda secret to getting microfit off

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This thing does not move LOL

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 10:01 AM

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Jready tool

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 10:02 AM

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To get the microfit connector off?

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Like the housing

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 10:02 AM

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Oh

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I pull left

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Then pull right

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 10:02 AM

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Holding the housing itself right? Not pulling on cables

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 10:03 AM

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frosty pagoda Holding the housing itself right? Not pulling on cables

Yeah

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 10:04 AM

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progress, at the cost of ruined fingers

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Got it off, finally

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This look good now?

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don’t steal my fingerprints based off that image

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That cable will be remade anyway since it’s a bit short * but would be nice to have it working in the meantime, waiting on 18awg microfit crimps

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 10:25 AM

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frosty pagoda

Yeah should work

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hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 10:25 AM

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frosty pagoda progress, at the cost of ruined fingers

I like alternate

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 10:26 AM

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hasty siren

Yeah i tried that

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Still ruined my fingers haha

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 10:26 AM

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hasty siren Yeah should work

Perfect

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This thing was sitting unusually tight

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I struggled way too much with that connector 🤣

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Should i try plugging in both connector, and heated?

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 10:34 AM

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Yeah

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I’m 99 sure it was that

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 10:34 AM

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hasty siren

Take a pic like this again after haha

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 10:38 AM

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hasty siren Take a pic like this again after haha

Will do, i guess if it’s slightly angled the male pin could push it out

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Taking a bit of a break to help my dad with some stuff

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 10:55 AM

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frosty pagoda Will do, i guess if it’s slightly angled the male pin could push it out

Yeah I’m thinking if the locking tabs aren’t fully out or deformed it’ll get pushed out too much

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 10:55 AM

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Yeah and it prob ain’t the move to use a 20awg crimp on 18awg wire

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Alright gonna see if it gets pushed out again

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Does this still get the stamp of approval

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Got up to 147c

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 11:57 AM

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Yep

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Oh I guess not

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Is the pin burnt?

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 11:58 AM

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frosty pagoda Got up to 147c

Did you double check the other end?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 11:59 AM

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hasty siren Is the pin burnt?

Did not look like it

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 11:59 AM

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hasty siren Did you double check the other end?

Did not, will have a look once I’m back in the house haha

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Should’ve thought of that

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 12:21 PM

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hasty siren Did you double check the other end?

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hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 1:16 PM

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frosty pagoda

Looks like it’s not in all the way no?

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Bit borderline

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 1:18 PM

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Prob hard to see from a single angle, looks like it’s in? I think

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 2:05 PM

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Yeah is it the same height as the other connectors?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 2:07 PM

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Looks to be

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I’ll try pushing on it w tiny bit with the tweezers

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 2:22 PM

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Yeah make sure it’s fully seated when plugged in too

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 2:32 PM

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Pins are seated, even when plugged in

hasty siren Jun 8, 2025, 3:12 PM

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So uh does it run?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 3:19 PM

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nope, turned off pretty fast

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So I'm thinking, we know its not the leviathan, and I'm seeing in the Kalico docs I can change up the verify_heater section to not care, so if i unplug the heater, then try to run it?

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[verify_heater extruder]
max_error: 120
#   The maximum "cumulative temperature error" before raising an
#   error. Smaller values result in stricter checking and larger
#   values allow for more time before an error is reported.
#   Specifically, the temperature is inspected once a second and if it
#   is close to the target temperature then an internal "error
#   counter" is reset; otherwise, if the temperature is below the
#   target range then the counter is increased by the amount the
#   reported temperature differs from that range. Should the counter
#   exceed this "max_error" then an error is raised. The default is
#   120.
check_gain_time: 120
#   This controls heater verification during initial heating. Smaller
#   values result in stricter checking and larger values allow for
#   more time before an error is reported. Specifically, during
#   initial heating, as long as the heater increases in temperature
#   within this time frame (specified in seconds) then the internal
#   "error counter" is reset. The default is 20 seconds for extruders
#   and 60 seconds for heater_bed.
hysteresis: 5
#   The maximum temperature difference (in Celsius) to a target
#   temperature that is considered in range of the target. This
#   controls the max_error range check. It is rare to customize this
#   value. The default is 5.
heating_gain: 0
#   The minimum temperature (in Celsius) that the heater must increase
#   by during the check_gain_time check. It is rare to customize this
#   value. The default is 2.```

dense remnant Jun 8, 2025, 4:49 PM

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frosty pagoda progress, at the cost of ruined fingers

did you get it fully seated on the toolhead board?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 4:50 PM

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Yeah

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That was me getting it off ^

dense remnant Jun 8, 2025, 4:57 PM

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ah okay.
So with the heater directly connected to the Leviathan it works properly?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 5:03 PM

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dense remnant ah okay. So with the heater directly connected to the Leviathan it works proper...

Yes

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I’m tempted to modify the verify_heater to allow me to not get an error, (and keep the heater unplugged during that!) to see if it’s the heater itself, or if it’s the toolhead board / umbilical

dense remnant Jun 8, 2025, 5:30 PM

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frosty pagoda I’m tempted to modify the verify_heater to allow me to not get an error, (and ke...

well you've already narrowed it down to that the heater/thermistor is reading properly when directly attached to the Leviathan board.

Then the issue would be between your ports on the Leviathan and the heater/thermistor on your toolhead.
that means, wiring and boards between those other parts that is a cause.

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or likely either of them

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 5:31 PM

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I tested the leviathan ports with a different heater and thermistor, though the thermistor is known good, and the heater is good, until it isn’t (turns off)

dense remnant Jun 8, 2025, 5:32 PM

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Directly connected to the Leviathan it also turns off and reporting error?

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 5:33 PM

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Haven’t tested the 100w heater and pt1000 directly on the leviathan

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I used a spare hotend to test

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And I’m planning on using the spare hotend to connect to the toolhead board, to see if that triggers anything aswell

dense remnant Jun 8, 2025, 5:42 PM

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either way should be fine

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but I'd do the classic rule out

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 5:45 PM

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I’ll see if the 40w dragon hf also triggers a shutdown on the toolhead board

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 6:09 PM

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Found the old 100w to test the leviathan with actually

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Directly to the leviathan works with a 100w confirmed

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Gonna try this old 100w onto the toolhead board once it’s cooled down

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 6:33 PM

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Tldr;

Found my old heater, tried it o directly on leviathan, worked

Tried it on the toolhead board, worked up to 220c before I manually stopped it.

I’m fairly certain it had to be the heater then, despite the resistance measuring just fine from the heaters leads

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:10 PM

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Purely looking at it, I don’t see somewhere it would short out / whatever it’s doing

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Gonna try this heater into the leviathan directly

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Yup that turned it off

frosty pagoda Jun 8, 2025, 8:52 PM

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Ordered 2 new ones to be safe

errant berry Jun 21, 2025, 12:54 PM

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frosty pagoda Ordered 2 new ones to be safe

its been 12 days, we lost track here quite hard from what this thread, #1308016330326413393 , is meant for (printer help, debugging electric stuff etc.)
so lets get back on track if we can.
whats the current state?

frosty pagoda Jun 21, 2025, 1:41 PM

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errant berry its been 12 days, we lost track here quite hard from what this thread, <#1308016...

Yeah I started a thread for other help about the issues I had.

current state is that the printer is doing decent at about 13,000 acceleration, but currently it’s on a wooden desk so I’m waiting for some kind of vibration mat + a granite composite plate to put it on

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Prints are coming out nicely minus the tuning which is on me, would ofcourse love to be able to push the accel further but I don’t think I’ll make much progress without the dampening / vibration mat + the composite

errant berry Jun 21, 2025, 1:46 PM

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frosty pagoda Prints are coming out nicely minus the tuning which is on me, would ofcourse lov...

honestly 13k is absolutely in the range of what we would consider "basic", as the name of this thread suggests #1308016330326413393 , we only focus on basic help 🙂
get yourself a serial, then a whole new world will open up 😉 also one for pushing harder

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that being said, i will mark this post as solved

frosty pagoda Jun 21, 2025, 1:47 PM

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Sounds good, thanks for the help, just wondering if there is an advanced help channel somewhere, once I’m ready for that?😅

Appreciate yall sticking with me through this

errant berry Jun 21, 2025, 1:47 PM

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frosty pagoda Sounds good, thanks for the help, just wondering if there is an advanced help ch...

as i said, get yourself a serial 😉

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im not allowed to say more

frosty pagoda Jun 21, 2025, 1:47 PM

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errant berry as i said, get yourself a serial 😉

Gotcha haha, will be recording it tonight

brittle sunBOT Jun 21, 2025, 1:47 PM

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@frosty pagoda Submit a video to https://www.reddit.com/r/voroncorexy/. Read the pinned post for more info!

#Voron v0.2 shaper issues