video-games

[fathom juniper]

i might have some examples or whatever

and - what might be more important - are you looking at the entire history or just the more contemporary games?

[woven breach]

@wary vault Played Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice till finish

albeit without headphones

should've done it with it

what do you want to know?

[wary vault]

Really just any games with art styles

Which is almost all games

[fathom juniper]

this is gonna be pretty hard to talk about because...
i don't think there's really any strict corelation between game genres and artstyles
i mean - on one hand we have the indie scene where basically any genre can be portrayed in any way, depending on the flavor of the month
while the AAA side of gaming basically all does the "photorealism with a slight cinematic flair"

[wary vault]

Idk if you’ve played aer

[fathom juniper]

i mean - the last AAA game that i can honestly remember having any particular "style" was... the 2017 prey

[wary vault]

I haven’t and i’d guess it isn’t a shooter judging off the art

[fathom juniper]

which wasn't much tbh

[wary vault]

That’s what i’m getting at

[steady otter]

the only game genre I can think of that I "connect" to any particular "art style" would be Otome games

[wary vault]

Well ever since doki doki literature club that isn’t exactly trustworthy anymore either XD

[steady otter]

it's still the same

I view doki doki the same way I'd view Hatoful boyfriend - Otome game style

[fathom juniper]

i guess... that's one of the few examples where you could make that sort of connection

[steady otter]

they all look & feel like otome games

which makes sense since they are otome games

[fathom juniper]

but looking at gaming as a whole...
i don't think there's any genre that's strictly connected to any particular artstyle
you know - you fps, your tps, your rts, your turn based strategies, rougelites, racing games, fighting games, 4xs and what not
they all come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, if that makes sense

[steady otter]

mhm

[fathom juniper]

i mean...
it's an interesting topic to talk about - for sure
but i don't think... there's actually much to it

[wary vault]

Yeah good point

Well luckily i haven’t spent too much time on it

I can still pivot

[fathom juniper]

so what's your project again?

[wary vault]

What art style sells what games basically

So let’s say i had an amazing idea for a shooter, what art style should i be looking at

[steady otter]

depends on the setting of the game

[wary vault]

And what appeals to the player

[steady otter]

and your art choice

and stuff

[fathom juniper]

well see - here's the thing
i'm pretty much the oldschool FPS guy over here

and even i can't really answer that question

because it's not really something that exists in a vacuum - the general presentation of the game comes from many things

your themes, your designs and many, many mechanical elements

[wary vault]

Really i have no idea what i’m doing with this project

Awful to admit but honestly it’s hard

[fathom juniper]

as in - if you want to make any given element of the game look nice and fit the enviroment or if you want to make it stick out and readable for the player

[steady otter]

plus, artstyle isn't as important as gameplay

[wary vault]

Yes but as first insight, art style is what sells

[steady otter]

doesn't matter if a game looks amazing if you can't play it

minecraft is great here

and tetris really

[fathom juniper]

some games put more focus on their artstyle rather than gameplay
like abzu or gris or whatever - where it's more of an audio-visual experience rather than a straight up challenge

[polar dragon]

Isn't artstyle tied to budget also?

[steady otter]

tetris - just blocks dropping down a screen & yet it's a game still popular to this day

[fathom juniper]

but it's a really broad subject

[polar dragon]

There is a reason why indies are full of pixelated series.

Not that that's a bad thing

[steady otter]

pixel art games are fun

[wary vault]

No that’s exactly my point

Indies are often pixelated, so would people guess pixelated games are indi

[steady otter]

true

[polar dragon]

Im fact, is there any recent AAA games witb pixel art?

[fathom juniper]

ok so @wary vault
is this paper you're writing for your uni or highschool or... what exactly?

[steady otter]

idk if I think indie when I see pixelart

i just think "oh, another pixel game, wonder what this one is about"

[wary vault]

Well i don’t exactly know how it works in foreign countries, but i’m 17 if that helps

Should be a subject i can talk about for 10 minutes

[steady otter]

does octopath traveler count?

[fathom juniper]

not that i know of
this is what i was kinda getting at earlier - the AAA side of gaming is getting really, really stale in terms of different artstyles
it feels like even those odd examples like bioshock or mirrors edge that used to pop up every now and then are a thing of the past

[steady otter]

idk if it's AAA or full pixel

but it's gorgeous

https://tenor.com/view/octopath-traveler-gaming-a-world-drawn-in-hd-gif-12187545

[wary vault]

Basically in the future i want to do smth with programming, kinda inbetween AI and game development. For this assignment we have to research a topic that has smth to do with art and our future careers

I feel like a child just talking about it lol

[polar dragon]

Just make it an essay on this thesis:
Art style in video game is a balance between utility and ambition.
Indie games usually can't get photorealistic games. But within their confined of more "minimalist" style, they can still have distinct styles between themselves.

[fathom juniper]

ok then...
how about a presentation about...
how different milestone games took inspiration from different forms of art to convey their themes?

[polar dragon]

Then compare something like Hades with Isaac

[steady otter]

I love both!

[polar dragon]

Or some distinct styles

[polar dragon]

You are right, that's a good example

[fathom juniper]

like - you know - how bioshock and prey 2017 use art deco in their world
or how almost all cyberpunk games are inspired by how blade runner looks
or how og mirror's edge was inspired by minimalism or hell - even SGGs transistor has a lot of gustav klimt in it

[polar dragon]

I bought Repentance recently

[steady otter]

Isaac is pixel hell fun

and so difficult when you get too many victory lap upgrades on switch...
the lag..

[steady otter]

lucky

I do have it, but I can barely play on the PC I got

[polar dragon]

Just get it on PC

[steady otter]

it lags so bad

[polar dragon]

Oof lul

[steady otter]

I mostly play on switch

like, normal isaac lags

ISAAC LAGS

before upgrades!

it's not a PC made for games - it's an old work thing from my dad

[polar dragon]

And here I am trying to sell my pc amid a severe gpu shortage

[steady otter]

I want repentance on Switch

[polar dragon]

Eventually

[steady otter]

it's never coming to mac

[polar dragon]

Wine?

[steady otter]

not compatible

[polar dragon]

Is this the M1 Mac?

[steady otter]

mac OS changed too much with Catalina & Big Sur

[steady otter]

it's an old as shorts mac, but the OS is upgraded & that sucks

now, onto something a bit more cheerful - Subnautica is surprisingly difficult & I have a hoarding problem

[fathom juniper]

oh yeah this is a really good idea

[steady otter]

which is why it's suprisingly difficult

I've already got 5 floating storage devices & they're all full

I played maybe an hour

[fathom juniper]

like @wary vault - you can easily find some interviews with a lot of creating folks saying basically the same thing - that limitations force creativity

you could write about that

[wary vault]

Yeah, i think that could work

[fathom juniper]

how different devs with different "levels" of resources (if it's time or money or just how many people work on the game) tackle the issue of presentation

i mean - hell - you're in the right place for it
just look at the first two SGG games - bastion and transistor

[wary vault]

Right, so how budget and resources affect art styles in games

[fathom juniper]

made on a shoestring budget with only a handfull of people
and yet they're still some of the most visually striking and artistic games out there

yeah something like that

[wary vault]

Thanks for all the help, this should really be able to get me going

[polar dragon]

Is it Minecraft but more survival and undersea?

[fathom juniper]

or how your game's looks aren't strictly dictated by your tech but how you use it

and you could use a few games running on the same engine and made by similarly sized devs as an example

[steady otter]

well, I'm playing survival mode so it is indeed survival - idk if it's very "minecraft" though...

I just have a serious hoarding problem whenever I'm allowed to gather resources of any kind >.<

[fathom juniper]

subnautica

[steady otter]

I had just crashed

and exited into the water

then I dove down & suddenly I was attacked by something making a very high noise that exploded & left me some sulfur

[twin yarrow]

Pick another coral thing or get some air?

Answer is obvious

[steady otter]

and that was my intro to subnautica

[fathom juniper]

i'm usually not all that affected by spooky games...

...unless it's under water

[steady otter]

wait, subnautica is a spooky game?

it's so relaxing tho

[fathom juniper]

really, really deep under water
full of squishy squids and forgotten eldritch abominations and what not

oh it doesn't have to be

[steady otter]

swimming at night is the best

everything glowing

[fathom juniper]

i still poop my pants when i'm forced to fight that ichio-whatever-saurus in half life

i just...
i just hate underwater monsters

especially in first person games

[twin yarrow]

I've never thought I had thalassofobia before GTA5 submarine missions.. And Subnautica

[fathom juniper]

E S P E C I A L L Y after playing soma

[steady otter]

I just wish those stupid stalkers would leave me alone

I only want the kelp!

[fathom juniper]

[steady otter]

but noooooo

they steal my metal rubbish & they stalk me & they nibble on my toes

[rancid token]

Best example of this is Hollow Knight running on Unity imo

[steady otter]

and then when I finally get to harvest the kelp they try to follow me back to the shuttle!

[fathom juniper]

& they nibble on my toes

https://tenor.com/view/jontron-stop-please-gif-12272844

[twin yarrow]

Monsters are not even as spooky as everything.. Underwater mountains and cliffs and what not..

[steady otter]

at least I got water for days

I just gotta remember to make some food now & then too

[fathom juniper]

i mean - unity is like... the easiest target for this subject
just at the top of my head - dusk, republique and hollow knight
all three made by really small teams
all three running on the same engine, made with the same tools
all three in totally different genres
and all three have totally different artstyles and they all play it to their strengths

and boom - done

[twin yarrow]

Vast underwater spaces, in which nobody knows what lies

[fathom juniper]

WITH ELDRITCH ABOMINATIONS LIVING DEEP IN THERE

[steady otter]

ye, but that's just the oceans on earth irl

[fathom juniper]

yeah nah

[steady otter]

we know more about space then we do about the ocean

[rancid token]

Thalassophobia is a hell of a thing

I also can't play Subnautica

[twin yarrow]

I hate even big tanks for liquid,they scare me

[steady otter]

I love the oceans~ 
I wanna be reincarnated as a fish - or maybe a whale

[fathom juniper]

i mean - i kinda want to play subnautica
but i also don't want to paint my chair brown so

nah
that's a hard pass from me

which rarely happens

[steady otter]

you can play in uhm.. what was that mode called

it's not survival

you can just explore or whatever

[fathom juniper]

the lil bab mode

[steady otter]

there was like 3 or 4 modes to choose from

[fathom juniper]

the "i only have one pair of underwear" mode

[steady otter]

well, I do believe you only have one pair in the game so it'd be fitting

[fathom juniper]

the "nah, thanks - i played soma" mode

go play soma btw
it's soooo good

[twin yarrow]

Every time I want to play Subnautica and watch another stream of it, I remember what has stopped me, beside thalassophobia

[steady otter]

but I don't like horror games

[twin yarrow]

Inventory and crafting system, resource management

[steady otter]

just my kind of game

[twin yarrow]

Opposite of effective

[fathom juniper]

i can assure you - there's no deep water chtulhu monsters in soma @steady otter
so you're good

[steady otter]

except for the part where I start hoarding

[steady otter]

oh, but I'd like it if it had that

cthulhu is cute

what I don't like in horror games is the atmosphere

[twin yarrow]

Monsters usually become less scary when they are revealed

[steady otter]

the silence, jumpscares, the feeling of horror creeping up on you

[fathom juniper]

well... let me put it this way
out of all frictional games'... uh... games - soma has the most levity
mostly coming from the chemistry between the two main characters

and it doesn't have jump scares

[twin yarrow]

Big dude with wings and tentacles is not as scary as whatever there is deep down, unseen and enormously large

And it can see you, but you can't see it

[steady otter]

I love the deep dark ocean

I welcome whatever hides in there

[twin yarrow]

I mean, big dude is scary when he's underneath

[steady otter]

I'm not a fan of any of their games >.>

well, the amnesia games at least

just not my thing

[fathom juniper]

still - if i were to recommend any of their games for someone who's not strictly into horror games
i'd still be soma

[twin yarrow]

Also, soma has a new type of scary, existentional fear

[fathom juniper]

for the longest time it feels more like...
a slightly darker, more cynical version of portal

[twin yarrow]

Beside atmosphere and a bit of jumpscares

[steady otter]

I've never played portal

[fathom juniper]

don't worry - it's gonna make more se-

oh god damn it

GO PLAY PORTAL WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR !?

[steady otter]

I'm not interested in it

I know all about the game ofc

but I'm not that interested in the puzzle solving in it

[fathom juniper]

oh yeah

the writing in this game is just... 😗👌

[steady otter]

playing subnautica just makes me realise how much I miss swimming

I'll have to enjoy it via the game

[twin yarrow]

Shallow waters are nice though

When you can see clearly

[steady otter]

I learned to swim before I learned how to walk

I'll always be more comfortable in the water then out of it - no matter how deep it goes

[twin yarrow]

That's actually great

Being able to swim is great, not everybody can

[mortal siren]

i can sink perfectly

[steady otter]

it's mandatory learning here =w=
even if you don't learn at home as a kid you get taught in school~

but now we stray too far from games

[remote marsh]

nice

[steady otter]

impressive

[fathom juniper]

oh hey would you look at that

just like blizzard

and bioware

BOOM we're back on track with viddy gaems

[mortal siren]

nah, blizzard aint sinking any time soon

[fathom juniper]

oh yeah cause they already hit the rock bottom

but i'm not here to argue about that

i can't swear on this server, after all

[mortal siren]

people still hyped for overwatch 2 for some reason

[remote marsh]

lmao

[polar dragon]

HECK

[woven breach]

Gosh dang hufflepuff

[polar dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802615525141643265/844971274761273354/unknown.png

which of these bad boys should I finish next?

[hybrid jetty]

shadow of war, I think its really good

[polar dragon]

I think I am half way through it

Can I skip side quest? I am not looking to 100% it, I just want to get more of the main stories because the side quests are a bit lengthy.

[stable kindle]

hey fox......

[polar dragon]

yea?

[fathom juniper]

wait
hang on

how did you do that?

[stable kindle]

out of curiosity what have you done in terraria

[polar dragon]

about this much

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802615525141643265/844972622403731496/unknown.png

[stable kindle]

screams

[polar dragon]

do what?

[remote marsh]

damn you almost finished it

[stable kindle]

okay nevermind then LOL

[polar dragon]

lul ill get to it eventually

[fathom juniper]

how the heck are you able to post pics here?

like - straight up

i thought mods turned it off

[stable kindle]

Embed

[remote marsh]

copy image link

[polar dragon]

special privilege called posting embed links

[fathom juniper]

b-but...
the links lead to discord's server...

ooooh - i get it

[stable kindle]

posting an image link auto embeds it

[polar dragon]

^

[fathom juniper]

you posted it somewhere else on discord

and just

yeah

[polar dragon]

yeah

[remote marsh]

yeah

[fathom juniper]

nvm im dum

[steady otter]

[polar dragon]

shadow of war it is then

[fathom juniper]

nah - do the glitcher first

[steady otter]

me of war

[fathom juniper]

it's... oh it's something, alright

[polar dragon]

yes, you of war

[remote marsh]

who

[steady otter]

[polar dragon]

which one is the glitcher?

[fathom juniper]

the witcher

[polar dragon]

yeah, but like there are 2 of em

[stable kindle]

well! just tossing it out i am almost always up for ye olde terraria if you get around to it. i asked bc i might be dragging madcar through a master mode run that's sure to be... something

[fathom juniper]

yes

[polar dragon]

I thought you meant one of them is glitchier than the other

[fathom juniper]

i mean - yeah, i suppose

the first one is just pure slavjank

but it's got character

i haven't played all that much of glitcher 2

[polar dragon]

I wouldn't mind playing it with someone, though just not yet I suppose.

[fathom juniper]

but it... it's overall a way smoother experience, but i didn't find it as immersive

but then again - witcher 1 has that one part that made me go

eh

[polar dragon]

which one is the geralt gets amnesia?

[fathom juniper]

first one

meh
if i were to recommend one game for you to play i'd be painkiller instead of the glitcher ||or glitchpunk||

but then again - i'm biased

cause - you know

[polar dragon]

painkiller

never heard of it

[fathom juniper]

yeah

oh it's great

it's just a straight up oldschool FPS on the surface - it's just you, 500 ugly monsters, big loud guns and a banging soundtrack

but if you dig deeper into it - there's a lot of pretty smart design underneath waiting for you to discover it

but then again - i'm biased as heck
not only i saw the band that made all combat tracks for it play live ||and it was AWESOME - hands down one of the best gigs i've ever seen live)

but also...
as a teenager i was able to visit one of it's levels IRL and it was just

noice

[polar dragon]

ill google it

to see some gameplay

[fathom juniper]

but don't play the HD remaster
it's... bad
and it cuts out content that was in the OG version and sells it as dlc

play the OG 2004 release or the black edition - it comes with an honest to god full on expansion made by the same devs and it's...
it's not as good as the base game, but it's alright

[rustic falcon]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1580970/Samorost_1/
hey, samorost 1 is finally on steam!
great little game if you like point and click games - and its free :D

Steam

Samorost 1

Explore the beginnings of the Samorost series in the space gnome’s original bite-sized adventure, formerly released in 2003. Now with remastered sounds, enhanced graphics, and new music by Floex.

▶ Play video

i still need to play this version myself

[fathom juniper]

oh dang
nice

speaking of steam re-releases

here's a fun little question
what are some of the... ps2-ps3 era console games you'd like to see re-released on steam?

[rustic falcon]

drakengard games, for sure

[fathom juniper]

oh yeah

especially now after getting autopotato and nier v1.83726493425634675 on pc

[tight trench]

Gran Turismo

[fathom juniper]

i'd like to see mgs3 and 4 on steam
not remakes or anything - just slap in on steam and let modders do the rest

they'd have the original MGO up and running within a week

also
burnout 4

[fervent gyro]

Rayman Revolution. Never played it, would like to do so.

[tight trench]

Ace Combat Zero

that's all I can think of.

[fervent gyro]

Thanks for the info, will definitely play it! I loved Machinarium, but haven't played other games from Amanita.

[rustic falcon]

samorost is a very charming series, i recommend it! and the music is amazing

[rocky pivot]

amanita design games are beautiful but i find them pretty obtuse and confusing

[rustic falcon]

i actually havent played any other games from amanita aside from them

[junior crown]

https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/sales-and-specials/mega-sale the egs sale is back it seems the one with the free coupon for everyone.

[iron thunder]

saw Witcher mentioned

https://www.gog.com/promo/witcher_2_anniversary_sale

Witcher 3: GOTY for $10, I can't recommend the game enough

I also LOVE 1 and 2, but they're older games and I know how modern gamers are about those

got like 150 hours in Witcher 3 from a single playthrough and the only side content I experienced were side missions relevant to the main story and witcher contracts

[fathom juniper]

oddworld soulstorm is 20% off?

that's kinda... sad, actually

that game came out not too long ago

might not be selling all that well if they're putting it on sale that fast

outriders is already at -25%
which makes sense since they already lost around 75% of their player base

oh, PCF...
how the mighty have fallen...

and now i'm sad we never got a proper sequel to bulletstorm
or painkiller

speaking of - whatever happened to that cool gothicc shooter they showed off few years back on VGAs or something like that?

witch... something it was called

witchfire - that was the name

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zqjNkdXT94
you guys remember this?

it just went

[wraith cradle]

So I'm saying Days Gone gameplay and seems kinda generic or am I seeing it wrong?

[scenic wigeon]

what about it seems generic to you?

I've actually never played the game so don't really expect me to refute your claims

[fathom juniper]

oh i've been getting the same vibes from it ever since like... the first gameplay reveal @wraith cradle

so wait
it's a third person, over the shoulder shooter?
in a semi-open world?
and it's post apocaliptic?
and it's got zombies?
and it's got decaying, overgrown cities?
AND it has crafting?

but i've heard this one is alright so

not my cup of tea anyway

[scenic wigeon]

it's not open world?

even then, The Last of Us was pretty darn linear

[abstract pond]

oooo did someone say witcher 3

thinking of getting it ngl

[wraith cradle]

It's basically a zombie videogame plus Sons of Anarchy crossover

And yeah when I saw the crafting my interest plummeted

I dislike crafting

[fathom juniper]

why do so many games insist on having barebones crafting in them anyway?

i mean - i have my theories
but i don't want to get too negative here

[scenic wigeon]

I mean, go ahead, I'm actually curious

[wraith cradle]

Cause it's part of a checklist and artificially makes games longer

[fathom juniper]

well - first of those theories are just... trends
one or two successful games have a thing then others that follow in their steps have to have the thing
but that's the case with a lot of things. remember the bald fighter dude stereotype? or the modern military shooter craze? or cover systems or whatever - it's kinda like that

but the other theory i have is that...

[fathom juniper]

yeah - you're pretty close
it might be just padding
one of the ways to gently force the player to spend as much time exploring and looking for stuff as possible
instead of speding like... a minute looking for ammo, you might spend 5 minutes exploring those beautiful maps looking for 3 components that can make that kind of ammo you're looking for

and third is balance

why would you have to worry about trying to predict when the player is going to need a certain kind of ammo or item and then trying to put it in just the right places on the map (and risking the player missing it) when you can just...
sprinkle some crafting material here, some there and then let the player make what they actually need at the moment?

[scenic wigeon]

it allows for freedom and replayability I guess

[fathom juniper]

eeeeh - i feel like it's a double edged sword

[scenic wigeon]

like, if I'm playing The Last of Us, usually I'd prioritize making medkits over molotovs
maybe on a different run I make more molotovs

who knows
it can be whatever

[fathom juniper]

see - here's the thing

and the thing's name is resident evil 7

it has crafting too (of course)
but instead of making only certain kinds of ammo by using a special machine that takes up precious space in your inventory like in re3 you can just...
make healing juice right there on the spot

and the thing with crafting materials in most games is that...
on their own - they're not worth all that much

so there's usually quite a lot of them sprinkled all over the place (again - making you look in every nook and cranny of the room if you want to look for them)

and in re7 i never - not even once - felt like i was running short on healing stuff

i always had some

and that made most of the tension just fly out of the window when i could just tank damage and splash some healing goop on myself

[scenic wigeon]

so crafting in RE7 made it broken?

[fathom juniper]

i don't want to say that it made it broken

all i'm saying is that...
i'm just not a fan of shoehorned mechanics

[scenic wigeon]

it made it substantially more easy

[scenic wigeon]

eh, alright, yeah

[fathom juniper]

it's kinda like...
alright... let's get this out of the way and let me talk about shooters again
the 2013 shadow warrior remake

remember that period in gaming when it felt like almost every game had a pointless upgrade system because...
i mean - a lot of games still do it nowadays, but that's besides the point

anyway - shadow warrior
it was supposed to be a reboot of a 1997 shooter with melee combat and some fancy new spells this time around and cool guns and a combo system
and it's a great game...

...once you upgrade all your guns

[junior crown]

I say if:
If it is survival horror thing, it must remain limited and scares, as much as it possible
If it is a survival game it must be reasonable enough to get through the game and start making stuff, while not grinding the material but also making sure it's enough time to get the action going in there.
If it is something else it can't be too scares or too bloated, otherwise you end up with games like Dragon Age Inqusitions which has a ton of crafting materials, things to craft, yet such tedious process overall.
Crafting system can be implemented into any game alright as long as the same crafting system has sense and awareness of the game's item economy.

[fathom juniper]

because for the first 3/4 of the game all your guns feel clunky as all hell because...
well - they made them great and then nerfed them hard to facilitate that upgrade system
with like three different currencies and three different categories (each one of them with different skill trees too)

[scenic wigeon]

that's the wrong way to make an upgrade system

[fathom juniper]

that ^
nerfing your tools to make you grind for points to make them decent

[scenic wigeon]

ideally you want to make fun, but underpowered weapons that evolve to be great wepons

so the player is still encouraged to upgrade, but not too much

[fathom juniper]

how about having a different upgrade system that doesn't just jack up your numbers to an alright levels, but gives you new firemodes?
new tools to deal with new enemies?

like - the way you described it now is the way doom 2016 did it's upgrades too
and it wasn't that great at it either

first of all...
there was sooooo many of them
there's like 5 different upgrade things with other things in them and you all upgrade them in different ways and you need different stuff for each one of them

but that's besides the point

[scenic wigeon]

oh, like Alyx?

[fathom juniper]

it's got a supershotgun - which as all supershotguns in doom - starts off great

and with that upgrade system it quickly becomes just straight up OP - destroying any kind of challenge in the process

that's not good either

[scenic wigeon]

hmm

is that the fault of the upgrade system or the enemies though...

[fathom juniper]

sidegrades, not upgrades

[scenic wigeon]

now that's a good question

[fathom juniper]

yeah i feel like it's the fault of the upgrade system

[scenic wigeon]

I disagree, I think it's more the fault of the enemies

[fathom juniper]

again - shoehorned mechanics
4 years later eternal came out and it had way more thought behind it's upgrade system
and even though it works in pretty much the same way - hey - would you look at that - it's not imballanced

[scenic wigeon]

given that it implemented my definition of a good upgrade system, I think it's the fault of the enemies, but whatever

[fathom juniper]

and it doesn't just jack up your numbers to do +50% damage or whatever
but gives you new abilities

most of the time, anyway

[scenic wigeon]

although I will say yours is probably better

I just like mine more, I dunno why

[fathom juniper]

well yeah - i understand that
but if your upgrade system is about just... getting stronger
and it's offset by enemies just... getting stronger

well then it's just a straight up DPS race

as in - i need bigger numbers to take care of enemies big numbers in reasonable amount of time

late game borderlands 2 does that
and it's horrendous

as much as i like this game...
TVHM and UVHM modes are just a straight up DPS races and after that you basically have to look up broken builds that circumvent that big number kerfuffle outright

and it's just not fun
it's boring as hell

[fathom juniper]

oh yeah - george weidman said it best in one of his videos
he called this sort of... major hook in survival horror games a "mechanical desperation"

[scenic wigeon]

well it's a very think line to walk, you have to see improvement in your artillery, but the enemies can't be too underpowered/overpowered to where you just clean house/get nothing done at all

[fathom juniper]

and that's a great way of putting it and i think that stuff like crafting systems
or being able to buy ammo or whatever
just get rid of that completely

[scenic wigeon]

sorry it took me a while I was doing something else and forgot I was typing

[fathom juniper]

well yeah, but again
sidegrades, not upgrades

[scenic wigeon]

yeah I get that

and I agree

[fathom juniper]

let's look at a game that did an upgrade system well - SGGs own transistor

[scenic wigeon]

who knows maybe I like mine more because I made it myself

y'know looking back that's probably the reason

[fathom juniper]

when you level up - you don't get just +20% to your damage or whatever
you get whole new skills
and then over the course of the game you're encouraged to experiment with them to find what works well with your playstyle and new enemy attack patters - that's good

on the other flip of the... is borderlands 1
where a lot of skills is just that +20% to whatever
and it's offset by... the same enemies showing up with just bigger numbers above their heads - that's

[polar dragon]

dew it. I understand that it's popular, if not "overrated." But it deserves its reputation imo. it's just that good.

[fathom juniper]

anyway - my point is that... shoehorned mechanics are just...
whenever it's a crafting system or pointless upgrades with a clunky interface...
as long as they make sense and are tied in well to the rest of the game then that's fine
but if you purposefully make my character (and my tools) feel clunky and unresponsive (on top of being just... weak, despite looking and sounding powerful) just to force me to interact with your clunky, laggy upgrade window, full of long animations and fancy transitions just to give me a chance of having fun in the last act of the game that still presents itself as a fast paced power trip...
well - then something went wrong along the way

i'm looking at you, shadow warrior 2013

[fathom juniper]

yeah i never played the glitcher 3: mild hunt, even though i've heard nothing but great things about it

that soundtrack tho

[polar dragon]

yep

i played it and got a friend who isn't really into vidya to play

we both love it

||he picked triss though so he's dead to me.||

[fathom juniper]

iunno

i've only seen triss in tw1

and tw2, i guess

didn't finish any of them so

oh and triss and yen in the netflix show
though i still don't know what's the deal with them and geralt

[polar dragon]

it's a love triangle of sort.

in game you have choice

[fathom juniper]

doesn't geralt just... bang everyone with a heartbeat and an eye shadow there?

heartbeat optional

[polar dragon]

lmao yes

[fathom juniper]

that's the impression i get when people talk about tw3

[scenic wigeon]

maybe that's why people like The Witcher 3 a lot

[fathom juniper]

• wheeze *

[polar dragon]

but in the end end game (with DLC), the one you pick will be with you

and those scenes aside, I play the game for the story and decent combat

kaer morhen arc was great

and the DLCs are just plain awesome

[sonic berry]

Music and sights Fox, don't let them forget

[polar dragon]

Toussaint is sick

seriously, I love that area, very whimsical and charming.

[sonic berry]

Also the other DLC has great missions, chars, and storyline

[fathom juniper]

yeah - papa gorg has a whole series where he just goes over those games
and their DLCs

it's a neat little series
really interesting to watch

hang on let me dig it up

[wraith cradle]

One dlc was much more fleshed out than the other tho

[fathom juniper]

alright folks - you might find this interesting to watch
https://youtu.be/ZohodiFCOTU

he basically goes from tw1, tw2, then 3 and it's 2 dlcs and really dissects them to see what really makes them tick
and what doesn't

good stuff

[sonic berry]

Haven't even played them, but I've listened to so much of its music

[fathom juniper]

same

[wraith cradle]

Something, something, coin

[polar dragon]

lelelele lele lelelelelele

[fathom juniper]

i mean - i played tw1 and 2 but eh

[polar dragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2H0OFKouHQ

also this

[sonic berry]

Oy Lazare Lazare
Tu ka ni za kazali
(Can't remember the rest :()

[fathom juniper]

well then
let me just post this now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIyj8BAbaX4

how is it related, you may ask?
well - one of the composers of this soundtrack worked on the witcher too

so there - i still managed to somehow circle back to

||ok i'll stop now||

still - such a great main theme tho

[sonic berry]

Bombastic. I like it.
Even has choirs like Witcher

[fathom juniper]

shame about the game tho

but yeah - if you like this, i highly recommend checking out the OST for the 2013 shadow warrior
it's actually really good

though it's like... 90% drums

[sonic berry]

I even jam to Pacific Rim's theme. Don't even know what the movie is about

[polar dragon]

anyone wants to play l4d2?

[sonic berry]

So don't think SW2's is going to be a problem

[fathom juniper]

i mean - they both sound great
but i wouldn't listen to their combat tracks outside the game just for fun

in game however...
hooooooooooo boiiiiiiiiiiii

https://youtu.be/G1mJnBMUeo0
this playing at max volume in the last arena where the combat finally gets it's time to shine is just...

[steady otter]

Video games - the new music

[sonic berry]

I listen to Payday 2's music sometimes. Maaybe SW13's music won't feel too different
shuts up about music

[fathom juniper]

i mean...
i might be complaining about dem viddy gaems a lot ||and i do||
there's one thing i can't complain

we're... borderline getting spoiled with awesome soundtrack

[polar dragon]

this and unironically

[steady otter]

[fathom juniper]

oh hell yeah

[steady otter]

I wanna play a game but I can’t decide which one

[fathom juniper]

hi

[polar dragon]

post the list here like I did

[steady otter]

Subnautica, hades, Pokémon snap, spiritfarer, Cthulhu saves Christmas, we the revolution, bad north, Isaac..

[scenic wigeon]

ooh, SpiritFarer is awesome

[steady otter]

I’m torn on continuing it

[scenic wigeon]

I recommend continuing it

[fathom juniper]

play the Angery Dad simulator 2020

[steady otter]

I got spoiled (and I knew I’d get spoiled) by reading a mail from the dev team, and suddenly it’s not as enjoyable anymore cuz of rl stuff

[scenic wigeon]

ah

Hades?

[steady otter]

I could always do some more training runs

[fathom juniper]

play

that's necrodancer

[polar dragon]

pokemon snap?

just like play an area or two

[steady otter]

Ye

Let’s snap

[sleek quiver]

I used to say, eff Diablo 3, Diablo 2 all the way… but, these past couple of weeks, D3 has been taking up 85 hours of my life with the seasonal characters stuffs you can do in it

I have said that D3 was bad in the past and now someone probably going to make me eat my hat for that

Gotta say, D3 still has that trap of “must complete character build” addiction to it

[fathom juniper]

boi i hope that hat is made out of chocolate

[sleek quiver]

Yeah, I made a mistake

[fathom juniper]

nah it's alright

i mean - who am i to talk
i like RE6 and that game is pure garbaggio

[acoustic tendon]

[scenic wigeon]

yeah but what I was saying earlier

the Switch has some good games

no doubt about it

[remote marsh]

Such as hades

[scenic wigeon]

oh no wait I meant exclusives

the Switch has some good exclusives

like Odyssey, Breath of the Wild, Smash Bros., Mario+Rabbids, I think I'm the only person in the universe that likes ARMS

and, of course

[remote marsh]

Amogus

[scenic wigeon]

DC Superhero Girls: Teen Power

[remote marsh]

Oh that too

[scenic wigeon]

you already know it's a masterpiece when it has such glowing reception as

"they all look like they're on crack" - someone on one of the servers I'm part of

[remote marsh]

Lmao

Well

How do you think they got their super powers

[scenic wigeon]

no wait bad example

[scenic wigeon]

radioactive crack

not just crack

he was very wrong

[hybrid jetty]

i finished nier automata (completely) today

man.

[mystic wave]

did it change your life

[wraith cradle]

I don't believe you completely finished Automata

Post your savefiles

[woven breach]

Screenshot the title screen

[wraith cradle]

Something hilarious my brother just told me

He thought RE8 had come out months ago because he saw so many people talking about that 'Dimitrescu Woman' during weeks that he thought it was an older game

[lethal drift]

Lel

[polar dragon]

I'm grossed out by her tbh

[acoustic jacinth]

more grossed out by the reaction to her, but then again, she represents the sum total of my RE knowledge

the reaction by the fandom, i mean. calm down y’all

[woven breach]

I prefer her daugthers

[deft shoal]

ikr

[twin yarrow]

wadaramtalida, wadaramtalida

on the bright side, last year was not that great about memetical RE antagonists.. Nemesis had huge potential, but in the end.. well

he didin't even get a mod that would replace him with Thomas the tank engine

[scenic wigeon]

that's how you know he was inferior

Thomas mods are a sign of respect in the community

[twin yarrow]

yep

so it's nice to see that Dimitrescu actually continues the traditions

also, my point is still valid, stylish hats rule

[dire warren]

hold up, what
i'm gonna go research this now

[fathom juniper]

mornin'

i felt a great disturbance in the force
i felt that... someone's talking about resident evil without me

so i had to wake up

[woven breach]

Well

Your feeling was right

[fathom juniper]

[fathom juniper]

ok, ok, ok
here's the thing - i don't really see people over here talking about racing games all that much, but...

i'm still gonna ask
does anyone know where can i buy the 2005 most wanted?

it's not on steam
it's not on gog

and i kinda wanna give it another chance

[fervent gyro]

Probably only physical version on eBay / Amazon. I loved that NFS, right next to NFSU2, haven't played the new Most Wanted tho

[fathom juniper]

eh

screw it - i'm just gonna play sw2013 again on the highest difficulty

though i kinda wanted to today

[fathom juniper]

ya know what?
this game didn't age a day
it's still just as gorgeous as ever

sure - some models are a bit chonky by today's standards and what not
but the artstyle is just as solid as ever

the way it uses candles and plants and smoke and all that good stuff to decorate the scene is just 😗 👌
bueno

every single level has at least one place where you can just stop and take a screenshot and go like "yup - that's my new wallpaper"
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/547554879373895357/AB2760995232BB15B039FDAAE38F36737E06F74F/

[polar dragon]

which game is this?

[fathom juniper]

the 2013 shadow warrior reboot

it's gppb
though i wish it didn't have that upgrade system

[fresh crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/606739646361370668/845385488336551936/Euns9zmWgAEtsaz.png

[dire saffron]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1290490/UNBEATABLE_white_label/

Steam

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▶ Play video

🗡️

play it

its amazing

and free

rhythm game and it has a boppin soundtrack

its not done so like ye but theres still a nice amount to do and its free so its not like itll hurt your wallet

[fathom juniper]

oh yeah someone mentioned it a few days back

it looked cool

[hybrid jetty]

its very good

[woven breach]

Yws

I mentioned it

Kek

[mystic wave]

anyone here tried house decorating in FFXIV? i do it a lot, but this, looks like sorcery https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eLBPCiifa0

[fallen sky]

saw someone i follow on twitter post screenshots of a bathhouse in ffxiv this morning

just incredible. the creativity of that community never fails to impress

[mystic wave]

yeah amazing

[winter mica]

some people are just so good at interior design

[woven breach]

that is a very small counter for a bar

kek

other than that, I'd go there

[mystic wave]

m-maybe its lalafell proportions 😅

[fallen sky]

interior design really boggles me. i'm into minimalism, but more so because i just have no real understanding of interior design

[woven breach]

true true

[wraith cradle]

Oh Damn, I just read Star Renegades is getting a proper ending

Quite nice

[rancid token]

That's a good game

[wraith cradle]

It certainly is

[rancid token]

Very pretty

[wraith cradle]

Shame I begin playing it with the wrong idea

[wraith cradle]

When I first saw it I thought it was an RPG :p

[fathom juniper]

oh man - i forgot how long this campaign is in SW

it's exhausting

especially on the highest difficulty

i mean - it's still fun
and it's got just the right amount of challenge
but i'm slowly running out of steam

[wraith cradle]

Star Wars?

[fathom juniper]

shadow warrior
the 2013 remake

i'm running it from a clean save (none of that new game +, everything unlocked stuff) on the highest difficulty

and it's...
not as hard as i thought it would be

[wraith cradle]

Oh cool

[steady otter]

Me warrior

[wraith cradle]

Don't forget playing the spinoff later

https://store.steampowered.com/app/255520/Viscera_Cleanup_Detail_Shadow_Warrior/?l=spanish

Steam

Viscera Cleanup Detail: Shadow Warrior

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Recommendations

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[fathom juniper]

oh yeah i played viscera cleanup

not really my kind of thing

i mean - i enjoy making a mess
cleaning up? not so much

that said - viscera cleanup lends itself to some absolutely hilarious multiplayer footage on youtube

also - you guys remember how i was complaining so much about this god awful upgrade system this game has?
well - as if i needed any more reasons to hate it...
this happened...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/845722028115886120/20210522114735_1.jpg

it glitched out so hard it doubled everything on the screen and one of those things just wouldn't go away - even during normal gameplay
and on top of that - it corrupted one of my save files so i had to go back to an older one

Don't talk to me or my son ever again.jpg

[twin ore]

my favorite part of REV 8 is when lady is chasing you and there is a ghoul also chasing you she just smacks it out of her way to reach you.

[wraith cradle]

https://youtu.be/LZJ8IXTz-XY

For reference

[fathom juniper]

schwacked

[wraith cradle]

Something that I realized playing the game is that Cassandra if I'm not mistaken is the only one that stalks you in the castle the other two only fight you in their boss fights

[rancid token]

All of them stalk you in the castle

[wraith cradle]

I think it goes like this

[rancid token]

Or they can, at least

[wraith cradle]

Spoilers

||You insert the eye and Cassandra appears, stalking you until you enter the big hole in the basement

Bella appears in the dungeon, follows you into the kitchen and you kill her there

Cassandra then stalks you around the castle

You kill Daniela in the library or Cassandra in the storage room

There is a special cutscene with Alcina that varies depending of who you kill and if it's Daniela, Cassandra keeps stalking you.

You kill the remaining one||

[lethal drift]

Cassandra makes me think of SC Cassandra

[rancid token]

Interesting, I could swear that ||if you wander the castle at all after you kill one you'll get attacked||, but I didn't really spend much time there after the first playthrough

The second run was the Knives Out Dashing Dad so I tried to path through quick as possible and everything after that was infinite fully upgraded magnum time

[wraith cradle]

Yeah, but ||Bella always dies first and you can see in the 'Secret' dialogue that Alcina tasks Cassandra with finding you||

There is also an hilarious jumpscare with her

https://www.reddit.com/r/residentevil/comments/n86zjt/the_audacity_of_this_woman_gave_me_a_heart_attack/

The cutest Jumpscare

[wanton tangle]

@fathom juniper I have it and I really wanted to like it...it feels like it was rushed and idk its so so

I wana go back and play the original lol

[fathom juniper]

see... here's the thing with shadow warrior 2013
it's... janky as all hell
if you examine every part of this game in a vacuum - every single piece of it is deeply flawed - from janky weapons, through level design, weird physics, broken enemies and so on
but i'm the type of person that always says that games are more than just a sum of their parts

and with that in mind...
sw2013 gets better @wanton tangle
once that unusual combat style clicks for you - this weird, janky mess stats forming a coherent and really enjoyable game

[long harbor]

Hello giants

I'm looking for games :(

Games like Hades

Steam offered me an exploration game but it wasn't very good, and now I'm in the mood for more randomized dungeons, but nothing seems to be good.

[fathom juniper]

try crypt of the necrodancer

or BPM - bullets per minute

[long harbor]

Is it exploration? i've seen it before

But I'm not sure I'd like it

I want a cool world filled with secrets, like NOITA, but... easier

or steamworld dig

or hollow knight

[fathom juniper]

oh there's a lot of secrets for you to uncover in necrodancer

trust me

[scenic wigeon]

if you have a Switch I think Cadence of Hyrule could probably satisfy that

[woven breach]

yea... after playing games like doom eternal, SW2013 is pretty jank

I like the later parts tho

[scenic wigeon]

also I feel like this is a running bit now

it's not #video-games if Resi6 evangelist doesn't complain about the AAA games industry

[fathom juniper]

naaaaah - it's just an one off thing cause i'm currently running it on the insane difficulty

honestly - i complain about blizzard more than anything

and the whole AAA industry in general HOOO BOI HERE WE GO AGAIN BUCKLE UP

nah i'm just kidding

[scenic wigeon]

okay here let me fix that one up for you

[scenic wigeon]

alright, there we go, just for you Resi6

[long harbor]

no switch

[scenic wigeon]

aw

well I think Necrodancer is still good

[fathom juniper]

yeah

[winter mica]

necrodancer was super cool

[scenic wigeon]

I haven't really played it, I can't get my head around the rythym restriction

[fathom juniper]

[winter mica]

i super sucked at it but it's a fun idea and the music slaps

[scenic wigeon]

and I play in my HS band

so it's not that I suck at keeping time

[fathom juniper]

fun fact - necrodancer actually has an easy mode

and it doesn't even tell you about it

[scenic wigeon]

actually I didn't play Necrodancer I played Cadence

[long harbor]

@scenic wigeon I watched Korone play Cadence it was amazing.

[scenic wigeon]

shoot now I'm contractually obligated to try it again

[long harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceJLNxPSnX4

[scenic wigeon]

maybe I can do it better
maybe this is practice to be better at band
maybe

[fathom juniper]

@winter mica if you still have this game somewhere - try this
go into the main lobby and fire up the DDR dance mat mode
it doubles the time window for beats and it makes it easier to follow along to the music...
...and it doesn't even check if you have that DDR mat plugged in or not so you can still play it with just a keyboard

best of both worlds

[winter mica]

oh interesting

thanks for the tip!

[fathom juniper]

[fathom juniper]

oh thank you, fortune cookie
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/845970945524760576/20210523122545_1.jpg

very cool

[junior crown]

I love the ham of the fortunate cookies. Also late, but I say the 2013 SW is pretty neat, for its flaws, it doesn't have weird systems in Shadow Warrior 2.

Weapons felt weakish for me in there or at least I couldn't figure out the system

[fathom juniper]

yeah this game is jank as hell but it's heart is in the right place

[junior crown]

Hopes for Shadow Warrior 3 to return to roots and have the strong shotgun to blast the demons away.

[fathom juniper]

[woven breach]

by the looks of the gameplay trailer

it looks good

I just wish it's not multiplayer heavy like SW2

[fathom juniper]

aaaaand done
highest difficulty conquered
http://prntscr.com/13axrub

i feel like a badass ninja now

[fathom juniper]

yeah those trailers look pretty cool but i just cannot shake the feeling that...
it's kinda losing it's own personality there
like - it's trying really hard to be this whacky, colorful doom eternal
while SW 2013 actually... tells a pretty compelling story
with a bigger budget and more polish sw1 could've been truly great and i wish they went this route instead

but hey - we'll see
sw3 might actually tell a nice little story too - i just watched that first trailer and would you look at that - that's Hoji's mask there
so here's hoping they'll go back to that cool plot 🤞

[woven breach]

yep

here's hoping for a cool plot

cause man, was SW2 plot was crap

then again

you don't play SW2 for plot

[fathom juniper]

yeah - you play sw2 for...
eeeeeeehhh?

borderlands, i suppose

[woven breach]

for the

um

ding dong sword

[lethal drift]

schlong sword

[low stratus]

so anyway # Zagreus for rivals of aether

[dire condor]

go dm dan fornace on twitter

[dire condor]

yes

[mortal siren]

real men plays classic sw bf 2

[wraith cradle]

Nice game, tho

[fathom juniper]

star wars battlefront 2

man

i miss pandemic studio like you wouldn't believe

[wraith cradle]

12 years already

It has been closed longer than open by now

[fathom juniper]

the fact that they got closed down mere weeks before releasing The Saboteur ||(which is by far the best open world sandbox game imho)|| makes this even sadder

man...
https://youtu.be/uVwp_Qj6nuI

they were working on mercenaries 3 too
and it was supposed to take a lot of mechanics from the saboteur

it could've been so awesome

so... anyone here played this game?

[strong flower]

unfortunately no

[wraith cradle]

I did

Loved how they used the color palette

With things becoming colorized as you freed them

Despite playing the game a decade ago I still remember that

[fathom juniper]

yeah that's the thing people remember the most

though i rarely see people talking about how well designed this game was

cause boi - rockstar could learn a lot from it

[wanton tangle]

@fathom juniper try the older ninja Gaiden games for the 360

They're hard has crap

[cosmic vine]

Same with viscerafest, katana zero, Roguelite and hard indie retro fps games

[woven breach]

A bit late but I remember playing that on my PS3. Saw the intro and uh, my door was open.

...and my mom walked in

[lethal drift]

parents walking in on very risque scenes. A classic

[fathom juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/are-ya-winning-son-gif-18099517

[woven breach]

"Look, mom. I didn't know"
Mom: "I don't care, turn it off"
"Fine"

switched to god of war

[fathom juniper]

ooohhhhnooooo that's even worse!

[woven breach]

But hey

No nudity

...kind off

80% of them is just sheer violence

Nothing major

[fathom juniper]

oh yeah nevermind the fact that most god of war games had threesome QTEs

among other things

[lethal drift]

weren't those optional?

[fathom juniper]

i think so?

it's been a while since i played those games

[woven breach]

They are but they give red orbs

[tall hornet]

Just like in real life

[fathom juniper]

honestly?
while i prefer older god of wars over the dad of war...
...those minigames are the only aspects that i feel give this series the bad rep it has nowadays

[wraith cradle]

I hope the sequel includes a Boi button

Press (x) to Boi

[fathom juniper]

PRESS X TO BOI

yeyeyeye

one second too late

[wraith cradle]

Great minds think alike

[thorn tundra]

Dont mention QTEs Im having Bayonetta failed pure platinum runs flashback just because I didnt press a single button

[fathom juniper]

you're talking to a guy that S ranked all of revengence (including bosses) besides one, single, optional fight that was hidden in a secret somewhere

which resulted in me getting an A rank for the whole thing

i know how you feel @thorn tundra

man - those "PRESS X TO [SOMETHING]" are so tonedeaf a lot of the time
they make for some great memes

and i mean proper memes
just look at how many people post Fs in chat on twitch - a lot of them don't even know where that came from

we've got press X to jason
press F to pay respects

[thorn tundra]

"oh my, what a beautiful cutscene- PRESS Y"
"oh wai" too late now die continue?

[fathom juniper]

now we need press Y to BOI

though that said - there are some games that can use those souless button prompts and objective markers for their advantage
like spec ops with "objective - RUN, GOD DAMN IT!"

or recent RE8 with ||Collect Rose: 1/4||

[wraith cradle]

Replaying RE8 made me realise that if Ethan was more dense his brain would collapse into a singularity

[twin yarrow]

You can deal with QTEs when you can learn them, like back in Remember Me

But random QTEs, imo, is evil itself

[twin yarrow]

probably, press Δ to BOI
ukno, still mostly ps series

[fathom juniper]

oh yeah

but yeah - for the next dad of war i'm keeping my fingers crossed they're gonna go at least slightly more in the direction of classics

enough with that tacked on loot system
enough with that souless, white, clean UI
enough with that rigid, over the shoulder camera
just give me back a more free-flowing combat system
and give me my jump button back

[twin yarrow]

yeah.. bland UI is a trend of last several years in everything..

but that 'whole game in one shot" thing with camera is actually not bad, just some flexibility would be nice

[fathom juniper]

it's like... the default right now
white, clean ui with simple shapes and basic Arial font or whatever
you get bonus points if it's slightly slanted and has a blurry background

doesn't matter if it fits the universe or not

[twin yarrow]

i want back the poofy shiny round buttons with all the colours this monitor can provide

that do "click" when you hit them

[fathom juniper]

i feel like it started with the first ass creed game
but back then it was... unique, in a way
like - the disconnect between the HUD and the game it was in was so big it made everyone go * oooohhhh *

• oh, right - it's because of the animus thingy in the future *

it was neat

[twin yarrow]

not like now, when you have to double-check, if you have actually pressed something

[fathom juniper]

but nowadays it's so overplayed it's like

i mean - yeah - that old god of war UI is a great example
it wasn't just a basic green healthbar with a white outline or whatever
it was literally one of the blades of chaos slapped on the screen

[twin yarrow]

(white healthbar with white outline)

[fathom juniper]

then you go upgrade your weapons or whatever and the whole UI looks sharp and stylised and everything is in a shape of a helmet or whatever

and then the "xp bar" (or whatever you want to call it) was it literally just filling with blood

that was awesome!
and it fits the game too

[twin yarrow]

like it or not, but UI is the face of the game in many ways

you can't mix up, for example, UI of minecraft, or terraria, or GTA, with anything else

compass thing of Skyrim, lower panels of old shooters, etc

it is a part of experience, part of impression made by game

[fathom juniper]

yeah - exactly
i mean - for example - just look at the first quake
sure that statbar looks obsolete nowadays, but it's got so much texture and grit and it fits that creepy, lovecraft-y world perfectly

[twin yarrow]

i understand, that most designers have a point that interface shouldn't distract too much from the process, yes, it's true, but at the same time convenience and.. idk.. satisfiability is also important

[fathom juniper]

well SGGs somehow managed to do both in their every game
make a HUD that doesn't distract and at the same time it has enough small details that it fits the universe it's in

[twin yarrow]

like in their last game, Hades, maybe you've heard about it
the HUD never gets in a way, no matter what you do, but at the same time it has bright juicy colors and neat unique style

[fathom juniper]

AND THE CALL BAR!
IT'S ON FLIPPIN FIRE!

yes!

this kinda reminds me of that one youtube video before doom eternal released
ID software dropped some new gameplay on quakecon 2019 and one guy saw that the crosshair spins when using the autoshotty mod and just lost his marbles

but yeah
let me just get on my soap box and shout:
REAL HUDS HAVE CURVES!

make them shiny and pretty and add all the details you want there

on a completely different note
this is actually really interesting to listen to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3JPJ3H_ueU

[wraith cradle]

I just realized something

Resident still has no guest character in Dead By Daylight

You think with a new game is it likely they put one to drum up interest?

[fathom juniper]

maybe
they've been doing crossovers even back in the resi6 days

probably even earlier than that

[wraith cradle]

Alcina Hunter. Somehow you can see her from the other side of the map

[leaden heart]

https://youtu.be/eWF-gQhVuLk

[wraith cradle]

Yeah i hope this one is a step up after the dissapointment that was Afterparty

[fathom juniper]

wait
hang on - i just realized
e3 starts in less than a month

and yet it feels like...
there's barely any buzz surrounding it

https://www.pcgamesn.com/e3-2021-schedule-summer-game-fest

and devolver digital gets mentioned... once
they don't even seem to have a show lined up

wow this year's E3 is shaping up to be as boring and souless as this white background for the logo is

[scenic wigeon]

maybe it won't be

hopefully
it won't be

[tall hornet]

if e3 is so good how come they didnt make an e4

[fathom juniper]

[scenic wigeon]

I think it all boils down to it being...
Reggie is just scared

[fathom juniper]

if E3 is so big...
why won't it fight me?

[scenic wigeon]

because I'll fight you in it's place

[fathom juniper]

anyways

i really do hope devolver makes another one of those dumb shows again

with nina struthers

and that dumb robocop plot they're doing now

just make it as gory and as dumb as possible
gimme that cheese and wit
fire all the shots at the AAA industry - make fun of lootboxes and season passes and what not

someone has to

[junior crown]

Just found out I share birthday with Heroes of Might and Magic V

now that is quite the fate

[fathom juniper]

oof

OH DEAR GOD I JUST LOOKED IT UP

No mans sky came out on my birthday

minus the year, obviously

but still

[junior crown]

what you mean oof, that is good!

[polar dragon]

it's bad but eventually gets good

[scenic wigeon]

actually my birthday is the day that Sonic was revealed for Smash Bros.
not the year but the day

[polar dragon]

which means your worst days are over. congrats!

[fathom juniper]

wow...

i'm too young to feel this old

[twin yarrow]

huh, im actually the same age as Game Boy.. not the date, but the year..

[fathom juniper]

i'm not the oldest in this channel

i'm as old as , i guess

[scenic wigeon]

I'm totally the youngest in this channel

[tall hornet]

oh yeah? were you born yesterday?

[twin yarrow]

and even then somebody might have been born today

[fathom juniper]

in a few years those kids are gonna listen to their parents talking about all their cool old games they used to play like...
apex legends and warzone and resident evil 8

christ

[scenic wigeon]

yes.

[tall hornet]

Damn well I have a bridge to sell you

[clear pier]

Team Cherry has no scheduled announcements for e3, I will continue to wait patiently for Hollow Knight: Silksong

[wraith cradle]

Yeah they confirmed it a few weeks ago

[twin yarrow]

better no announcement at all, then "the game will come out this fall, and now we'll going to squeeze all the resources out of ourselves, crunching like crazy, to get things semi-playable before the deadline"

im ok with good old "when it's done"

[fathom juniper]

"and then patch it up later after it's released"

you know
a delayed game is eventually god, a rushed game is forever an overused quote

at least that's what im telling myself when i'm slacking off instead of working on my TC

[twin yarrow]

left things done to the last day is the usual thing in IT, no matter if we like it or not

it's the natural tempo

[wraith cradle]

Just a counterpoint

https://twitter.com/id_aa_carmack/status/627967637637586944?lang=es

John Carmack (@ID_AA_Carmack)

@dvydra I recant "when it's done". Time isn't everything, but it definitely needs to be weighed appropriately. Ignore at your peril.

Twitter · Aug 2, 2015, 10:22 PM

[rancid token]

Man, apparently Biomutant kinda honks and that bums me out

[wraith cradle]

The review thread is a doozy

I say all spectrum of opinions depending of the website

Divisive as heck

[scenic wigeon]

it's an overused quote because it's easily applicable nowadays

[wraith cradle]

The other actually saw one of the most bizarre reviews I've seen in gaming

About Returnal. Either a troll or the writer was having a mental breakdown

[fathom juniper]

ah, yes
john "story in a game is not that important" carmack

[rancid token]

I think I'll be happy picking up Biomutant on a sale of at least half off, but probably disappointed at full price

[wraith cradle]

The point is that time is a resource a delayed game is NOT always eventually good

Look Star Citizen

[fathom juniper]

don't get me wrong - i love the dude
but he's had some baaaaad takes

[wraith cradle]

One day you must say ok, Enough features let's polish the bugs and get the game done

[rancid token]

That's how you get scope creep, as you mention with Star Citizen

[fathom juniper]

scam citizen

[wraith cradle]

No, no I mean putting a deadline. Deciding that your game is complete enough and ship it

[fathom juniper]

yeh i know what you mean

[wraith cradle]

Like, I'm salty MGSV lacks obviously the ending but I'm happy with what I got when it released

[fathom juniper]

lucky you

i'm not

it's been years and i'm still producing industrial amounts of salt at the mere mention of mgs5

[rancid token]

I think MGSV might be the strongest case of "good gameplay, bad plot" I've ever seen

[wraith cradle]

Or look CP77. Ended a buggy mess despite gutting the prologue

[fathom juniper]

league community ain't got nothing on my truckloads of mgs5 salt

[scenic wigeon]

any Mario game

well

[rancid token]

No see

[fathom juniper]

doom

[scenic wigeon]

not really

[rancid token]

That's nonexistent plot

[scenic wigeon]

shoot

[wraith cradle]

MGS Survive must give you an aneurysm then

[scenic wigeon]

yeah it's simplistic plot

[rancid token]

It doesn't hurt anything because it isn't there

MGSV is actively absolute nonsense

[fathom juniper]

oh yeah
i barely survived it

[scenic wigeon]

but controversial but maybe Last of Us 2 fits into that category
I've never played the game but that seems to be the consensus among many players

[wraith cradle]

MGS the complex plots, characters and conversations are CENTRAL to the game

[fathom juniper]

hahaaaaaa... || ||

[wraith cradle]

Unlike Mario kart

[rancid token]

I'd argue LoU2 falls into the opposite extreme, or at least appears to

Gameplay does nothing interesting but the plot is all anyone talks about

[fathom juniper]

rarely in a good way, but yeah

[scenic wigeon]

yeah

[fathom juniper]

man
why am i so mean today?

[wraith cradle]

Last of Us got a chunk done over the first game also

[rancid token]

I don't personally agree but it's kind of hard to judge a game I have zero interest in playing

[scenic wigeon]

we're all mean deep down

[wraith cradle]

It had the setting, artstyle, characters. Etc already done

[rancid token]

Anyway play Outer Wilds it's the best game of 2019

[scenic wigeon]

I really want to play LoU2 but I don't have a PS 😔

[wraith cradle]

Don't mistaking with The Outer Worlds which is meh

[scenic wigeon]

did it ever get better?

[wraith cradle]

No idea

But oh boy does the Leaked dlc has me excited

[steady otter]

Gaaaah

Noooo

[polar dragon]

yes

[steady otter]

Subnautica crashed

I’m scared

When did I last save

[polar dragon]

just restart 4head

[rancid token]

I am so excited at the prospect of Outer Wilds DLC

Because I have no idea what the hell they'd do with it

[steady otter]

Does my home still exist?

Please

[fathom juniper]

wow that is a question i never want to ask myself

[polar dragon]

damn that hits hard monakS indeed

[steady otter]

It doesn’t

I just spent

[fathom juniper]

rip shadow's home

[steady otter]

Over 1h

[fathom juniper]

F

[steady otter]

Making my base perfect

Cuz I finally got the multipurpose room & observatory blueprints along with the plant beds

[polar dragon]

silver lining, it's an hour

[steady otter]

Over 1h

I just know it’s been at least 1h

I will take sanity break

Actually, consider the let’s play I’m watching has just started another episode I might’ve been at it over 2h..

Guess I better save more often

At least it didn’t happen earlier! When I realised I’d played 3h, gotten lots of new stuff & blueprints & hadn’t saved once

Well, at least I can prepare a bit more this time & gather more crafting materials before I make my base.. again..

[twin yarrow]

You can do it, maybe even better in some small ways

It's always easier second time, when you know what to do

[steady otter]

I guess..