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||When the entrance of the zone starts freezing me to death, my instinct is not "ok, let's just charge forward as fast as I can and pray there's a safe spot"||
It shouldnt br
Wait, there's ||no scarf or anything? I stumbled upon Mt. Fay pretty early and backed out when I saw I was dying.||
Scarf?
||If you have harpoon you have everything you need||
||Something to guard against the environmental tick damage, like Samus's suit upgrades.||
||Lol yeah I was waiting for something like Gravity Suit too but a friend was like "Nah this is the next zone just go"||
Its part of the challenge
...I see Team Cherry really liked Beta Quadrant from System Shock.
The whar
Area in System Shock (at least the remake) with ||permanent environmental tick damage.||
||Yeah the zone is actually very fun, my only gripe is that it makes it seem like the whole zone is icy death, and you should get a warming upgrade before you can proceed.||
It acts more like a timer
||"Make it to the next checkpoint in X seconds or else we start hurting you"||
Never heard of the gane
system shock? grandparent of the immersive sim genre, related to games like Prey 2016, Deus Ex, Dishonored, Bioshock
Bioshock's big inspiration was the System Shock games. The first one was fully remadestered a la Bluepoint's Demon's Souls a few years ago.
Oh bioshock
System Shock 2 got a remaster I think in the last 12 months?
And SysShock 2 recently got a rerelease
yeah
not a remake, more of an hd overhaul I think
No, wait, 1 was a full remake, they kept the map almost entirely 1:1 but made a lot of other changes.
yeah 1 was the remake, 2 was a good remaster
Oh, Pale King, I finally have a proper pogo.
Oh, ||Wanderer|| comes with only 1 tool but 3 yellow slots?
Silksong is saved.
bottom 5 crests 😔
@unique lily can you tell me where the ||charm to resist the bilewater maggots is?||
Please 🥺
||MA. I GOT THE PALE OIL.|| Also this range actually is quite small, damn.
And I thought ||Reaper's|| attack was narrow.
||Yo, I get Million Stab for my Nail Art?|| Also that ||upgrade animation|| was filthy.
No but I managed to do this on my own already....
I cant believe you have to do ||that insane platforming challenging + a stupidly fast and difficult bossfight too just FOR A USELESS TOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RAGGHHHHH!!!!||
I'm soooo mad!!!!
its in the ||putrified ducts||

there's more to that later but for now that's it
act 3 stuff
I figured... there was an area I could see i could try climbing...... but i cant do it yet....
oh well
anyways
dude these act 3 bosses are so damn peak
the feel like they're straight out of the HK pale court mod
I managed to get ||all 3 melodies!!!! so this is the part where I can go fight the final boss and get a regular ending? and if I want to explore further and do act 3 stuff I dont have to fight this bossfight, right?||
||that cogwork platforming challenge was honestly even worse than the high halls fight in my opinion.......... I HATE PLATFORMING SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!||
😭 😭 😭 😭
btw Fraud just say yes or no! dont spoil anything!! 🙏
yeah you can get a regular ending now and you can progress toward the true ending by ||completing all your wishes and getting the "silk and soul" wish from the caretaker in songclave||
I'll figure out this mystery on my own....
🙂↕️
but thank you
I can see now why a lot of people get confused at this point!!
team cherry really make you think hard for this one!
chat I know they're bugs but this one is EXTRA hot holy...
why'd they make her so fine
oh no... Iselda 2.0? 😭
even better
😔
I explored the whole thing is jt in the ||pale lake?||
no its just before it somewhere. I just know it was there but forgot the exact location 💀
This game never gets easier huh 😔
hey I just beat a boss 1st try in act 3 so its not too bad
So it’s to the right side
Niiice
I can’t wait for act 3 im so excited
Act 2 was unsatisfying of an ending
oh wait you havent gotten to act 3 yet meow?
No
oh wow so there is quite a lot to solve after getting the ||three melodies huh||
its kinda like HK where you just ||perpetuate the cycle||. boss was sick af tho
I guess I'll do my best to solve it on my own but i'll come to you guys for hints if I am desperate 🙏
60 hour save file goes crazy 🔥
There’s definitely an element of that but to be honest I feel it’s a copout
Cuz ||Hornet wouldn’t do that she wouldn’t perpetuate the cycle, she has no interest in being queen||
Lilac don’t look
I've heard act 3 ending is peak fiction or smth so that's good then
And to an extent I wonder if it ties into her ||being part-Wyrm, cuz it’s in their nature to start civilizations||
oh if that was your problem with it then you'll love the direction act 3 takes
Bye Lilac mwah ❤️
Oh my god i found it
I literally came to this area before why didn’t I see this 😭😭😭😭😭
Jesus christ
I think I found the ||flea|| and got lost
Okay I don’t feel bad about asking .. thank you fraudlord you’re my savior
I need to know that LJ has the worst walk back in the game
Somebody tell me it gets better
It does not have the worst
You get better at it
There are shortcuts to take + try pogoing off heads and stuff
its the second worst
the worst was so bad I said fk it and just cheesed the boss bc I couldn't be bothered
Dude with this charm the bossfight is so much more tolerable oh my godddddd
Oh my god
I don’t feel like killing myself
I did it without 🥲
I didn't feel too much pain bc I killed the boss in 10 seconds
||architect|| goes brrrr
I only had to do the runback 3 times but I was already so sick of it
I KNOWW
wait what? when does that happen???
I fully explored the slab but didn't see no neck snap
But yeah ||Hornet’s leitmotif plays during that segment||
You missed it because ||you didn’t get kidnapped||
||Died during the following gauntlet||, I can fire up my Twitch if you want to see it in action.
well excuuuuse me for being too good at the game and killing the cage guy without getting hit /jk
||I killed the jailer first appearance, after seeing it talked about here I let him grab me in Greymoor.||
OH WAIT GO TRY THAT
I'm actually so sad I missed it 💔
Schpoonman tell Fraud how to get napped
He was right outside the ||Bellway|| entrance, try that.
I tried 3 locations: greymoor, hunter's march and bilewater and he was in neither of those 😔
idk where else I can find him
I hope you get to experience it
This absolute jamooka shake is ||swinging the needle around and wearing my cloak like a scarf.||
I knowwww hahahaa
😔
yo the movesets on some of these late game crests are nuts
the pogos are GODLIKE
Is anything better than ||Wanderer + attack range|| pogo, though?
I think two of them are, yeah
one is just straight up ||perma grubberfly's elegy||
also lets gooo new wanderer enjoyer 🔥
It's almost the Knight's moveset which is mostly what I wanted.
Yeah I was about to say
its so fast too
Having a pogo that doesn't interrupt your momentum is pretty much bigger than anything else the game has given me so far.
I just got ||longclaw|| maybe I should try it
I kinda like the stall! It gives me more time to anticipate
oh just you wait until you get the late game crests the moveset and pogos on those are amazing
Hated Hunter and Beast's pogos (holy crap, Beast pogo is an abomination), Reaper was better but Hornet still lunges downward slightly before she swings.
"there has to be at least one person who loves smashing their pinky toe on furniture" A more likely scenario than a Beast enjoyer.
LMAOOO
I really felt like the lifesteal gimmick a a lot of potential for combat if the duration was just a bit longer
ok so
out of curiosity I looked up if there's anything cool you can do with the beast crest
and I found a video of a guy absolutely demolishing the high halls gauntlet with it
Get behind me, Satan.
They were making perfect use of the lifesteal gimmick
...And my controller stopped working.
I'd be flabbergasted if the controller were dead considering it is only connected to my computer via USB.
But capitalism hates competition and I've had no shortage of trouble getting PS controllers to work on Windows, so.
Maybe the official USB that came with the controller doesn't charge it while I'm playing.
The ||High Halls|| gauntlet?
Crazy how you have insane mobility with Beast Crest , Hornet playstyle went extremely aggressive with Bind Fury effect.
idk if this means the crest is good or if the player is good
but this is the best beast crest feat I could find
God bless the queen
Hmm it doesn’t look all too impressive to me
interestingly, the video shows that the pogo is actually good for launching yourself into enemies and quickly retreating as he does to the last 2 guys
its a rare beast crest W so I'll take it
did you see the second phase? Interesting lore implications
The one where he does ||vengeful spirit||?
Yee
The hunter’s journal shows they did ||soul experiments||
Which makes it funny that he resembles the soul master
||yeah that and there's a snail shaman looking dead guy in the house after him where you pick up the seeker souls||
Yup I ate his ass
he gets disabled after a certain point
😔
why are they playing so scared lmfao
"beast crest is insane" plays hit and run
well on the bright side, this definitely isn't my last playthrough of this game so I'll experience it some time in the future
its the best beast crest feat I could find on the internet 😭
The baby in my pocket is pissing me off
Nearly 8 mins is wild
This guy looks... Awful
Not to be an arse, cuz if someone watched my gameplay im sure theyd say the same
But damn.. they're not impressive
Not quiitee yet but I might ask you later ❤️❤️
ITS BEAST CREST THO
forgive me but that's the only thing I could find to help its case 😭
Plays aggressive crest
Defensive whole run
Oh i have nothing against u man
Just judging them
Again, im sure someone would have alotta say about my gameplay too
But still
I have used all the crests in the game atp and beast is just so far below the rest its insane
beast does a lot of damage
does it?
yeah lol
like in the lifesteal state or just normally
lifesteal
hmmmm
Dmg boost or atack speed boost
dmg
I genuinely think if lifesteal lasted like 2 secs longer it would be peak
its so short 😭
i wish this fgame was a rogueliek
surely we'll get pantheon of pharloom eventually
Yeah, permawall cling did more in that Beast video than the Crest itself, I think.
If i have to fight ||signis beastfly lugoli gilf|| all in one continuous wave im crashing out
And the DPS from Fury is probably easily made up with good Tool and charm usage.
gilf is easy tho
Yea but would break my mental
Grand
its 2 words
now absolute milf on the other hand...
Still need to kill the cursed gilf tho
Flukemother.
I keep dying in second phase
Either I don't see the ||boulders|| or some ||lance||
Or i miss my dodge/parry on the claw attack
( nail parry )
the grand budapest hotel isn't the older version of the budapest hotel
how many masks do u got
you would win if you were using wanderer's. just saying
U cant
Im talking the cursed fight
who tf uses wanderer's lmao
It's like my main 😭
7
The ||twisted bud|| curse
do you know what happens when you get the cursed ending
I just want it
is that a no
awesome
Do i get fked
not saying anything
Cuz i wanna keep pounding and nailing the gilf
"Oh, Veggie. I'm a grandmother now. Call me 'GILF'."
"Your culture is so confusing to me."
Small update: (act 2 spoilers) ||got the double jump!!! and found the mask maker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wtf!!!!!! also that huge creature was sooo beautiful and magnificent !!! I love it.. this whole area is great I love it||
I am now very very exhausted, I will take a break now before I continue my exploration
What does ||mask maker|| do
just give you lore and stuff
make masks
I like him!!
Bullshi
he's as ||mysterious as cool as in the first game!!!! (though it's probably a different person? they talk very similarly though...)||
It’s a different person
my guess is that every land in the HK universe has a guy with the duty of mask maker
oh ok, makes sense yeah!
this game really only keeps getting better and better..... I've already said it's a 10/10 😭 what do I say now???? 11/10???
just WAIT until act 3
it's so similar to Elden Ring in terms of what it achieves and how it wows me all the time..
yeah the first playthrough experience is so similar with the sense of wonder
yesssss
my jaw is on the floor basically the whole time
good night!
Now that u mention elden
Im curiou
In terms of difficulty, how hard is silksong compared to other such games
And how much harder do other games get
Stuff like the dark souls game i imagine
I guess difficulty is relative to the game genre aswell since shooters or bullet hell games have their own unique type of difficulty but still
I'm a hater and a hot taker, and I don't think any of FromSoft's Souls games are actually very difficult.
They are primarily knowledge checks, each and every enemy.
Just platforming alone puts Hollow Knight above it in difficulty, but I also think the execution of combat is significantly harder in HK.
I struggle to imagine god runs (running all 6 core Souls games [Demon's Souls, DS1-3, Bloodborne, and Elden Ring] without taking damage a single time) in a series like Devil May Cry where you absolutely have the capacity to do no-hits but emphasis on moment-to-moment execution is much higher.
Now I'm soft, but I've got a few HK near-100% files under my belt and I already think Silksong is significantly harder.
not as hard imo because i passionately DETEST how in all newer soulslikes, the bossfights keep delaying their attack. soulslikes are like action games being played at 0.33x speed. silksong is how it should be
Man, some of these later game shops are expensive.
See, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You just turtle bosses and most enemies until you have their animations and attack patterns memorized. Gameplay is essentially transformed into turn-based.
I think that's why they all (minus Bloodborne) rub me the wrong way. BB encourages more active combat participation juuust enough that my brain doesn't fry.
For a mere 5k rosary beads you can buy an indulgence and get into heaven ⛪️
That's basically the 15 bead benches in the ||Underworks||.
It's about the same difficulty in my opinion! they're different types of games though of course, but overall both are pretty difficult but they're still like doable!!
silksong is a bit more fast-paced too perhaps.. so I think the difficulty honestly depends a lot on what type of person you are!
also wow I can't sleep I just spent 20 minutes writing down all the notes for what I havent done yet in Silksong and what I'll do next haha
funny how pizza says he likes Elden Ring less because of delayed attacks but I feel like i prefer its difficulty a bit because Silksong can get a bit too hectic and fast for my liking
Man
Hollow knight was one of the first actually difficult games I ever played
Silksong feels so much easier to me because I used to be so terrible
if you enjoy hollow knight you'll probably enjoye Elden Ring too!
I’ve heard! I don’t have anything that can run it though :’] maybe in the future
holy peak boss fight. Chat I think I found my favorite boss in the game
Also makes it feel way more satisfying because I feel skilled lol
she's hot, has a banger design and soundtrack, and has a nightmare king grimm type of flow
Can’t wait to fight a beautiful milf
Oh? 😭 lucky guess
that's sort of true with Deltarune too! Frisk and Kris aren't related but Kris also learns to sprint while Frisk cant!!
insert doofenshmirtz nickel joke
all indie games lead to sprinting....
sprinting is the pinnacle of game design!!
we must all be sprinting everywhere
if only sprinting irl was as enjoyable 😔
omg so true 😔
I lowkey completely forgot hornet’s dad is the pale king
the pale loser
The pasty king
at least the pale king didnt have whatever the hell pharloom has going on...
now imagine if in act 3 hornet stabs the ground and opens up a dark world in Pharloom 🔥
resisting the urge to give act 3 spoilers rn
god I wish someone else was in act 3 rn so I could yap about how peak these bosses are
💔 I'll get there eventually
lock in
we can yap at each other about how great ||the phantom fight|| was though!!!!
true!
the lore implications are crazy... ||you can do the needolin in one of the rooms and there is a silhouette of Lace doing some f*cked up stuff!!||
omg you saw that too?
||also the fight has a very similar moveset to Lace's!!! so they're definitely somewhat related...||
||she spun us to fade... or something like that... yes... I dont know what exactly it means but it sounds creepy as hell and it gave me goosebumps 😓 ||
the one talking in that scene is actually lace
||the whole thing with the mist and the exhaust organ is so mysterious.... I want to know more lore!!!!||
ohhhhhh you think so??
also weren't you going to sleep like 2 hours ago?
yes but I couldn't because I am too hyped up to calm down 😔
real
so instead I wrote a list of things I want to do next..
haha awesome
I have like 20 different things I need to remember to do there hahaha
Okay, who is calling ||Mount Fay|| Path 2.0? 'Cause ||the Cogwork Core|| was way harder.
THATS WHAT IM SAYING
ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE
And it's not just because I've got ||Wanderer|| on right now, I'm mostly using ||Clawline||.
clawline?
I'm not done with it yet, but not only was ||Cogwork|| harder it's definitely closer in feel to the Path.
L2 Harpoon, from ||the Cauldron||.
In my opinion the difficulty is like this:
||sands of karak >> cogwork core >>>>>>> mount fay
Mount fay was honestly the least punishing.. so many benches and shortcuts!!! it was a ton of fun, I loved it||
cogwork isn't that crazy imo bc its like way shorter than PoP
So is ||Mount Fay||.
karak is pretty tough but I like the coral gimmick
that's true... but it's a long singular stretch!
Which makes sense, the Path was the final optional platforming challenge in HK.
yeah tbh there isn't a PoP level challenge in skong yet
I hate corals, dont ever show them to me ever again!! I have such beef with them and with those flying enemies especially too 💢
Team Cherry saving it up for the DLC I suppose 😔
cogfly my goat. I spam it as soon as I see any flying enemy
omg I need to find a craftmetal
they finally made a good minion charm and its the most busted thing ever
💔
yet another thing added to my list of things to figure out 😔
intentional surely
I died the first run, thought "Man, that jump looked insane, I wonder if I'll be able to pogo off the cocoon," and then I did.
I swear Team Cherry genuinely might make a new Path of Pain thing in the DLC where you HAVE to leave your coccoon in a smart place because it's the only way to make the jump or something like that
I'm sure it's supposed to be an attainable jump but heck this platforming in the cold.
Also you definitely don't need to see Shakra in the ||Sands|| for Ventrica pins, I left and came back after farming rosaries for the checkpoint bench and she had them for sale after asking for them the first time.
I liked it tbh. we never really had any timed platforming sections in HK outside of mods so this was very cool
come to think of it, there's quite a few things in this game that seem inspired from HK mods. I wonder if team cherry actually follows the modding community
???
||karak|| was hard?
i breezed through it idk, only died at the boss twice
||1) I hate being on such a tight timer with the platforms disappearing under my feet, it disorients the hell out of me...
2) there is almost no healing at all.......
3) it's very long stretches with very few benches and shortcuts 😭||
I died to the boss like 10 times maybe.. it was difficult to get used to but I managed it in the end..
Uuuhh, does ||double jump also provide cold immunity||?
oh so you were able to find your delicious ||crestnut|| then too?
'Cause that's kinda sick, it makes sense in context.
i think it's just my platforming experience and a common kbm W
yeah platforming is usually my biggest weakness and the least enjoyable part of silksong for me I suppose 😔
i love the platforming due to how mobile hornet is
and you have a ton of mobility options
yeah I think that's why I hate that area so much because it was sooo narrow and claustrophobic.. I couldnt enjoy the full mobility as much
||Mount fay on the other hand allowed me to fully use the harpoon stuff and what not, it was more fun to me||
much more spacious!
there is an explanation ||Hornet gives about how the creature blessed her with the feathers and those feathers presumably keep her warm under the cloak too or something like that||
the thing with controller is, imagine you're doing a right movement input. if you want to switch to left, you have to take L3 back to neutral position first, then take it left
this makes it really hard to rapidly use different movement inputs
which is why i prefer keyboard for platforming games
all 4 movement keys are simultaneously available to use
I died a lot because I couldnt change my directions quickly enough yeah 😔
that's a fair point..
but the controller is more comfy....
it's double important in silksong because of directional attacks
I'm comfy enough with my keyboard 🤷♂️
I mess up my inputs a lot with doing a pogo or an upward slash or a side slash lol
clearing the ||corals|| kept killing you huh
I'm developing some mean wrist pain and controller is easier on it after a few hours.
I did a keyboard HK run, it was fun and worked out well.
yep it was pretty bad.. but thankfully to you now I can blame my controller and not myself!

nothing is ever your fault. always shift the blame to something else 🫵 💪 💯
🔥 !!!
i only ever get that on my right hand over multiple hours of mouse usage
actually can't play hades 2 for too long at once
also always be stressed out and vigilant, never rest or relax, right?
-# I think i remember you saying that too
i did?
it was some joke but I dont remember the context 😔
but i like resting and relaxing ☹️
it was something about anxiety..
nevermind 😔
i'm already overexplaining the joke and it's not funny anymore 💔
@echo hazel omg this one!!!
#h2-discussion message
😭 that wolf made me giggle
damn
have you guys ever had a feeling where you beat a really hard boss after struggling on it for a while but you feel sad that you finally beat it bc the fight was just that enjoyable?
||Sherma please don't venture into Whiteward you will be got later.||
this boss was so fking good I genuinely think it might be a top 10 boss of all time for me. not even pure vessel, my favorite HK fight doesn't hold a candle to this one
I wanna fight her again
team cherry pantheons please
I believe in her I believe in her
Which one?
||Skarrsinger Karmelita|| in act 3
Also that was me with ||cogwork dancers||
Ope I’m not unspoiling that but thanks for indulging my question anyway
I will check it one day 🫡
if you liked that you're in for a TREAT with act 3
YESSSS
Act 3 is promised to have literally everything I want whyyy am I not there yet…
So mad
like I was already a fan of this game but wow I didn't expect act 3 to be so fking insane
I’m trying to explore all the map and find all the quests but it’s rough
Godddd
You’re sending my expectations through the roof
Silksong is absolutely already one of the best games of all time
And I haven’t even gotten to the best part 😭😭😭
ry did the same to me but I was still blown away
does anybody know how to keep ||pilby|| alive? ive been holding off on ||the skull tyrant quest bc i heard he dies||
Consistently getting to the last judge was harder than defeating her
Yup.
Runback was so miserable that I fantasized about giving SS a bad review
Now that it’s over I don’t car
2 mask hazards are bad.
oh you sweet innocent child
Yes yes I’m sure it gets much worse
if you only you knew the absolute horror waiting for you
And then I’ll fantasize about leaving them a bad review to get through it and once it’s done it’ll be like it never happened
just for a single runback
TC is lowkey super mean-spirited for some of these runbacks
Like the drill bugs spawning right on top of a platform or pogo? Please TC I’ve already proven I can do it just let me get to the boss istg
Proven? Proved? I’m losing it
I'm pretty deep and so far the only genuinely bad runbacks have been the one you experienced and the absolute horror waiting for you
so just two
every other runback was ok 👍
True
LJ runback just felt so deliberately unkind
Like the first time you do it you’re pranked and pranked again and then it just keeps happening
Some of us are bad at the game TC we don’t want to have to do that 50 times
Ah well it’s over so I can go back to loving the game in peace until the next bad runback
I hold no grudges

'Sup, babe.
just checking in
I'm sorry to do this to you, but there is a moment in Silksong you'd love.
hit me
||There's a stuck-in-jail-without-your-equipment sequence, and the last part of it involves you dropping from the ceiling onto the jailer's back and breaking his neck to reclaim your stuff.||
I was very unprepared.
that was inarguably the most metal moment in the whole game
at least so far
My jaw dropped.
She’s so badass
God I wish we could hear every single one of Hornet’s thoughts, the few crumbs we get are simply not enough for me
Where’s her momma
Where is Hornet's momma?
Yeah 😔 she misses her momma
The rewards of ||Bilewater|| make it so worthwhile to visit
Now if only I found a bench
Doing well so far, but thank you.
I just realised the advice won't even help you, but yeah. Good luck. Don't give up too soon. It's worth it.
isn't hornet's momma dead
wait, that implies it's a sequel
I think there was a runback I saw on stream where a lava slug was always around, and god forbid you try to refreah your mind on the walkthrough there, with even a small gliding segment along the way
and that fight took hours of attempts before they beat it, and they're a much better gamer than me
Well... She wasn't exactly really alive before... Also, hornet never left the nest in her life because bugs lose their mind when they leave. So it should have been a sequel in the first place
wait, they do?
Yeah, the Pale King's influence gave bugs in Hallownest sentience.
ohhh
There is some implication that it's not exclusively a gift from the Pale King already, given that Weavers were either explicitly or just implicitly immigrants to Hallownest.
I should preface I am actually just playing silksong without having played hollow knight; my knowledge is stuff from mossbag
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Gotta ping @austere wadi for that
Wow... That's hardcore... HK will be a breeze if you do it afterwards. Are you enjoying SS?
Ofc we don't know if the losing one's mind applies to Hornet or if she knows that it doesn't apply to her.
There is a lot of nuance.
Maybe se was dragged directly from hallownest
||Bilewater|| gauntlet second attempt. Experts foresee a worse result than before
The experts weren't exactly wrong but they weren't exactly right... What is that boss😭
The pain
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the pain even that boss its the way up to the guy
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||I AM TOO DUMB TO FIND A SHORT WAY! 😭😭😭😭||
I will search for a sec. I already think I know of a way
well im here if you need help 
||I found what was supposed to be a second bench close to the top of Bilewater and it turned out to be a trap.||
I'll try a little more tomorrow.
I think my guess is off. I should ask, but I will try for a minute. I need a shorter way. T_T
Nah ok I am out of ideas
What's the way?
That would have been my advice
But there is ||no way to avoid the trap|| so it made no sense to tell
Like maybe
Oh yeah they just dropped an expansion for it
I still have to finish p4 first but I can’t
Cause the goddam theme park mission softlocked 
||there is a hidden bench, accessible through the second last layer before the boss layer, that drops down through maggot water on the far end||
Oh thank god
Do I reach it from above or from below?
I am killing an ||Italian flamboyant artist|| right now
Well... It is how it is supposed to be
sadly enough leaving upwards to the boss gives you maggot water everytime 
To avoid confusion I'm still playing silksong and not ||enotria||
Oh... So I should leave through the side...
well to be clear taking the short way ends with maggot water hp 
I just thought I should recite the mantra ||there is no war in Ba Sing Se|| as a reminder that there are no benches in ||Bilewater||
Both directions?
Ach scheiße
no
Oh thank god
the short way makes you enter the water but the longer way might result in it anyway cause you got to have to go through more of it xd
Because I am not good enough to hurt enough enemies
Lol
When I deal with this bug with a gigantic ego I will try
Dankeschön
I have a Yes/No question. I’m trying to do this without a guide, but I don’t want to do anything permanent.
The question is this: should I get out of ||The Slab|| as quickly as possible?
I guess the implied question is if I can go back or not.
yes you can go back
if that answers it
its a normal region like every other area on the map
It does. Thank you.
enjoying it, yeah. there's some stuff that's a serious pain in the rear (flying enemies if you can't thread storm them, hunter's march parkour costing me 300 rosaries really early, ||last judge ending||), but otherwise it's amazing. hornet is fun and flexible, though can be finnicky in weird ways that don't really add anything meaningful for being so tight (try ||dash|| into jump)
the 2 dmg is not really bad, but it would've been nicer if there were more ||masks|| so that hornet feels less stable defensively instead of just weaker. and ||beastfly|| is overrated (rather, bench placements are awful); it's very similar to ||splinter sister||, who I liked fighting because I nearly no-hit ||her|| the time I won
You know, not everyone has seen this much in the game and covering the names of the bosses with a spoiler gray box is preferable
the game has notable issues with the walk of shame and really tanky bosses. the latter I get if they're fun to fight, but the former sucks for anyone, even if you were really good at the game like the testers clearly were
mb, gonna add em
playing HK after SS will be so weird lol, especially the movement and obviously bosses are very different in that game for that reason
Yeah, the movement and fluidity is completely different. Will probably feel clunky
SS is just perfect for me tbh, there is a lot of things i dislike in HK, still have 86 hours on it ofc
The runbacks are meant to teach you the game after all. If you still suffer too much with the mobs before the boss, you are still gonna suffer more at the boss. It's all part of the training montage
Well, I do sometimes dash in the wrong direction somehow... And the ||double jump|| is so slow... So I don't know about perfection
But it is crazy good yes
tbf nothing can be perfect
but you get my point
Thank you for the gray boxes!:)
Ofc
also the crest system is sick
Even though... Celeste...
So cool
expecting atleast 1 new crest each dlc lol
Lol, it would be game breaking
i have ||6 || already wdym 💀
atleast 1-2 new ones in total atleast
Oh wow... I am still missing some😭
well one is a pain in the poopy i'll tell you that 💀
My most hated one is ||hunter|| up until now
I mean the boss
ohh im not talking about what they do im talking about unlocking 💀
not really, I already learnt the lesson. the problem is the possibility of getting hurt and then going back to the bench to do it all again because fighting the boss nearly dead makes no sense
||last judge is especially criminal for this. widow is not so bad, but even then I'm waiting for the fat flies to get out of my way, elongating the runback when there could've not been any. I'm fairly certain many games have catered to this over time (I know elden ring and lies of P do to some extent)||
The ||architect|| is so cool and op, but I am unsure about my skill
Oh! Yeah, the pogo of ||hunter and architect|| is garbage. Unless you need crazy skills but I am not there
What lesson have you learnt if you reach the boss nearly dead? You learn the lesson when you reach the boss in pristine conditions
sadly enough the runback to ||the judge|| aint even the worst one 💀
I think it would ruin the game tbh
Yeah... The one I was using for the zone I was in was crazy.
Yet I learnt to take very little damage and not fall. Yes it takes time, but that is learning
I do make it there with full hearts. but I'm not beyond human; I'm going to mess up and just waste lots of time when there could've been none.
like imagine the only way you get to practice against pure vessel and nightmare king grimm is to play pantheon 5 over and over again for the one attempt and hopefully learn their ins and outs to win that time or remember what you could've done as they rip you 2 hearts per touch
I gotta feeling there's gonna be a boss in ||sinners|| and it makes this look like childs play. ||benching the second I ever touch maggot water...||
Ironically the longer runbacks are what make you better at the game
act 3 spoiler || just found the game complete % gauge and i thought i did a lot|| but i only have ||82% 💀 ||
Yet there are some crazy people who did it like that. Also that's a straw man argument
mb, but I'm struggling to explain this one. I guess it's just... why can't I just enjoy the boss? I'm really not paid to master the game, I'm no streamer nor tester. and ||last judge|| is really fun; I kinda wish there was a place to fight ||her|| again after I properly win
this ain't gonna stop me from playing nor liking it, but I know our time can mean more to us than that
It's very very unlikely we won't get anything like the pantheons of HK. So there is probably good news on that front!
not the delete and 180 
I didn't see the deleted message, for better or worse. not curious enough about it to care
That's a spoiler!
I cannot say too much
Them vermins have a grip on me
you mean the maggots 💀
there's 7 total
an || act 3 one i assume?||
yep, you need an act 3 traversal ability too
ye got that already
so it's a little deep into the act
currently doing side wishes
lowkey I hope they don't nerf the difficulty too much. I gotta feeling that if airborne ai wasn't so neutrally evasive and even just 1 more full mask around for act 1, they could totally keep the 2 damage ubiquity (except for the parkour)
anyone here use ||beast crest||? I think it seems pretty neat, and thinking of converting into it, but I gotta feeling that the horizontal movement is wack for most
the ||silk soar||?
the pogo is ridiculous
jup, also the || percentage gauge||
do you want me to tell you where the last crest is
na im good for now, only stepped foot into 2 areas for more than 2 min 💀 currently doing the || needler fight||
also did you get the ||silk nails|| or whatever the name was
it's the sixth and last spell
not yet, but i know that they are || up there ||
go get them they're pretty good!
the ||beast summon with needolin|| really sped up the exploration in act 3
on the note of || nails|| im pretty sad that the || ladybug nail throwing minigame got destroyed in act 3, or did they just move?||
ooo i haven't checked
Btw can you even pogo the spikes with the very first pogo? The hunter?
i think you can but the bounce back is awkward and you still get dmg
the || crest|| 💀
oh bruh you meant the crest
yes I'm playing the whole game on hunter
the hitbox is a little awkward though, you gotta get used to it
just a funny question, why can nearly every npc that you have to || search|| for || fly|| and hornet can't 💀
she has legs
but for example the || needler bug|| she also got legs but she can || fly with her cape 💀 || atleast thats how it is depicted in her "tracks"
Yeah, I tried in the beginning and always got hurt... Yet pogoing the enemies is so cool
I'm using ||wanderer|| because of ||quickslash||
Because spiders don't fly
did you finish || bile water ||yet?
They eat them
Nein
cause there is a || quest reward up there that makes wanderer|| better 
I saved poor buddy ||Sherma|| and now with the correct relic I should have ||enough silk to hea twice||
Oh god YES
Time to swim
Hhhmmmm ||maggots||
Yummy
But first lunch.
Gotta fuel the hate
which act are you in
wait which one
the ||nail range tool||?
Act 2. I am slow and enjoying the ride.
What a ride I am on
Let me be that person: skill issue.
I'll admit it is not easy though
Damn everyone is in act 3 now..
well im at 52 hours so
Same!!!
Im still act 2
But I guess I'm just slower
Need to kill ||twisted bud gilf||
Then i still need ||bile mist karak||
And probably some secrets too
it depends on your goals, ive rushed myself recently to get to act 3 due to some stuff i wanna do, could have gotten there a lot earlier
Oh and the door in the left of the map
Something that starts with w
Below ,||blasted steps||
I dont have the key
I see.. Fair enough, yeah I am literally doing everything I possibly can before act 3
Or the ||slab apostate key||
Or two metal for ||architect and bomb tool||
Im missing so f in much
Crazy how i reached final boss with only 2 skills
yeah there is so many optional stuff
I just want my keys and metal kan
Man
Please tell me the ||apostate key|| is not in some weird region
I searched the entirety of slab and its not there
Like fr the achievements say 6 or so ? Where tf are they
If its bile im keeping myself safe
i dont remember where it is tbh i just found it randomly, but ||its not slab atleast ||
At least i dont have to keep searching there like a moron
Anyway for now, ||twisted bud gilf||
I need that ending
I need the ||Twisted Bud|| out of my inventory, where do I go?
Phase 1 i can get through but i took stupid hits, if i can do it hitless again then phase 2 would be decent
||greyroot in shellwood|| but it givs you an annoying status effect
If its only the crying that makes u wanna get rid of it, idk, id hold off on it
||twisted bud ||quest guide just to be done with it and move on lol
||https://www.reddit.com/r/Silksong/comments/1n9sumo/twisted_bud_infestation_questline_quick/||
Wait
What
I was told the ||bud is for getting a grand mother silk kill different ending|||
So ive been fighting her with the status effect for maybe 1 hour
Do i not need to do that?
Cuz the moment i saw the ||twisted bud|| i knew it would be tied to ||yarnaby|| due to his dialogue but noone told me bout that
no keep doing that, ||thats just not the main quest but it has that use aswell||
spoiler tag that
but yes
Yeah was gonna but i had to put the phine down for 2 sec
or you know, i havent done it but ill be very surprised if thats not the case lol
I mean i feel like i can do it
Phase 1 is ok
And thats when i was tired af yesterday after 10 hours of silksong and like 5 of tf2
its the best to do that ||last last but no one knows about it on their playthrough at first so ||
How would it be last tho if the order is as mentioned before
Or u mean relative to exploring regions n such
i meant you ||dont pick that up at all until you intend to get the ending with it, so you have all nail upgrades and hp masks and whatever||
same i already finished that so many hours ago
and reverting my save now would make me so weak lol
7 hearts and only 2 nail upgrades
im sure there will be ||99% files eventually for that purpose||
what do you mean?
Simple keys and crafting metal
Need to. Open a door and buy something from ||architect|| and craft the ||bomb||
unsure, there is a lot in this game to keep track on lol
there is the interactive map though on mapgenie website
but that might spoil other things for you
Those 2 resourcs and skills are what i hope id find sooner than later
Yeahh
I dont wanna like se exact locations that kinda took away from my hk experience
Just hints, yes or no answers so i know ive something to look forward to
Cuz if theyre not there then i need to clear all regions start to finish every corner of the map
i dont really keep track of those specifics im just running around basically but im mostly done exploring literally the whole map
like i dont know ||where the apostate key is i just know i didnt get it in the slab|| lol
Fair lmao
I mean i also barely remember anything
I just run around hit mobs and walls
Bash my head against anything that looks bashable
Works like charm
if you struggle with the ||bilewater|| boss btw let me know, there is a very good semi-cheese, but also kinda intended, just making use of the are
i thought as much but i was so tilted at that point that i just took it and healed it with the 100% heal you get from the cocoon cause i died like 50times vs the gauntlet 
When i get there ill see
there is actually 2 ways to do it easier so its not really a cheese since you can still die if you mess up, it doesnt make it a free win
so its more just a strategy to make use of the arena and his moveset
i honestly like it
Kinda spoiled myself the ||butterfly needlolin|| tho
i wouldnt have figured out that anyways tbh, its a nice hint just to know about imo
are you in act 3 yet 🤔
yeah im quite a bit through it now
nice just started today and im currently doing the wishes in bellheart, didnt do much exploring yet :I
ive mostly focused on exploring before i started progressing it
well i did go to || the abyss already and got the abillity and percentage gauge||
im trying to ||reach the top of it now, found the map atleast so im lucky ||
the new ||needolin ability|| is sick
Oh god... I hate that gauntlet
But understandable
well i found about that || bench|| around the 2 1/2 hour mark of my 5 hour ||bilewater||journey 
found a guide that goes through it and how each enemy works wich makes it super easy, you literally just ||pogo on pretty much everything ||
i can do it pretty much hitless now
or could atleast
Oh god
Yes... That's exactly what I have been doing. The ||tall people who shot only below them|| jump higher, but it is doable. Hitless might be a little too much
That's so cool
@wintry cedar have you figured out what to do with ||the crying baby yet||?
not the ||fight though,|| its still rough lol

i could help if you want it
no i dont need help
oki
I already did it, I was just curious if meow did it too
youre supposed to care for it and nourish it if its crying, buy some baby food
ahh so you did the ||painfull thing||
||yeah it was pretty bad!!!! And I dont even like this crest....... it seems really really niche.....||
|| i like the attacks/range but the no heal is a nogo 💀 well more like heal when enemys are 1mm next to you 💀 ||
yeaaaaah
Just curious: how many crests are there overall?
||7||
really want more crests with future dlcs
Rip to the few people ||who do not know how to get to or find yarnaby and are stuck with that curse hahaha||
i would have been one, i insta googled and used reddit 💀
Omg 😭
cause i just wanted to finish that quest and do the finaly and i couldnt be bothered
Why do you spoil such fun for yourself
Oh well
Fair enough... I will take pleasure in having figured it out on my own haha
I’ve only three so far. Loving ||Reaper||, but ||Beast|| is not for me.
my fun is more headstrong jump and run, not smashing my head against a || map wide riddle||
I love riddles in this game haha
well i did every other riddle with fun, || the memory bells or the pushing crates ||
||Reaper is my fav!! ||So you already got one of the best ones! I never take it off lol
Oh...
speaking of which ||did you find a use for the mechanical heart if you did it?||
yeah was talking about the ||arena part only lol ||

where is my pantheon area? please release that dlc asap
I consider those different things personally.. There is a difference between a puzzle you need to finish in that specific room vs a more map wide mystery riddle to solve in terms of clues and exploration
But also nice!!
The true ending was riddle enough for me 💀 and i liked that one, because i had no negative while solving it, running around with no heal and searching for stuff is kinda meh for me
well i did the true ending, thats all im gonna say 
one of my friends got 100% in it like 2-3 days ago or so
im around || 83%|| finished with the game per my || percent gauge||
Pogoing the boss isn't easy
ASAP
did that with the hunter actually works quite nice
Oh!!??
Time to change crest
yeah i meant the other enemies ||before that||, for the boss ||he cant hit you ever if you just swim in the bottom left corner, its a no heal fight though due to that but just have to take it really slow ||
but you cant pogo the guy for more than || 2-3 times||
i will be able to see that very shortly, leaving ||the abyss now ||
well did you ||collect it aswell
cause it is an item that you have to assemble in bellheart ||
yeah
Oh... Hmmmm... That's hardcore
You mean with the basic crest?
ye, he moves too much to do it more
No lol
but his || patterns are fairly simple|| if i can say that after needing 50+ tries 💀
lmaooo that crying was so insufferable to me I wanted desperately to figure it out asap haha
Is a babby
I may be annoyed but I would never harm my baby
It’s cute!
beby
beb
Baobab
Babylon..
if only we had that one, then we could speak hk 
I dont get it 😔
if we had the tower of babylon we could speak the language used it hk*
lmaooo it's okay
an easy mistake to make ❤️
فجأة لم افهمك؟؟؟
💀
(I was going to make this joke in german but then I remembered you do actually speak german so it wouldnt work...)
You speak Arabic?
no I made a joke about the tower of babel 😔
O I did not see the backlog
i would say it would still look funny, if it is "americanized german" 
Guten tag

Guten Morgen*
its too late for that 💀
it's 10:45 for me 
it would be either Guten Abend, Guten Nachmittag 
Wir gehen hier vom Mutterland aus!!!!111 
or Guten Tod!!
ich gehoere zu keinem Mutterland!!!!
Good death? The better version of a gute nacht
Silksong has had many
How do you say bad in German
Schlecht tod
I dunno about adjective noun agreement or anything
I just stick the words together and hope
it would be "schlecter Tod" then yeah
Schlecter tod 🥹
….is that Swiss German or something
no it's HOCHDEUTSCH
Standard German 👍 
german grammar is quite annoying sometimes 😔
The only baby I want in a game is Bon Bonne from Mega Man Legends.
15 years since we had our dreams stolen from us once again.
Oh god, it's been almost 20 years since I took German. I wonder how many games have death montages set to Komm, süsser Tod on YouTube.
We have
Fari dula sima net
Yea... I haven't done anything in 5 days

lmaoo yeah I agree
@echo hazel imagine if by the time you come back from your vacation Team Cherry will nerf everything 💔
the patch notes only mentioned nerfing||moorwing, sister, and the blasted step environment worms||
for now!
oh also bench and bellway prices will be decreased
but yeah I know, I'm glad we are already past those
Is pablo an actual hk thing or am i getting trolled by people
you're getting trolled 💔

it's just like Togore from Deltarune
I also know nothing about deltarunw
fandom made their own character, a secret brother of the protagonist and a lot of people treat him as if he's canon now 😭
It’s just like prunsel
Jesus Christ.
What in the goddamn hell is a prunsel 😭
Ohhh pfft
Why does Pablo have a straight razor on a toothpick?
Sans’ brother!
to the point that they tricked the stupid google AI into actually spreading misinformation that this character is actually real 😭
Lmaoo, i only saw ppl saying pablo is a dlc
Prunsel is a little scary
Giving bilbically accurate angel
Pablo is just like zagreus from hades2
He does look adorable
cutie
a hammer for a weapon is an interesting design choice
Don’t some forge enemies have hammers or am I hallucinating
No I’m hallucinating
I was thinking of hammer bros from mario 😔
wait why did this person draw the knight's horns like the roaring knight from deltarune?? 🤨
Deer God
I’m constantly pogoing back and forth between the two at a 45 degree angle
yo why does skong have like 4 different types of ||guns||?
between that and the rosary economy you'd be forgiven for thinking ||pharloom is in america||
how far in are you? Please tell me you're in act 3 so I can yap about how ||Skarrsinger Karmelita|| is peak boss design
i have yet to fight whoever that is, though based on the name i can confidently guess it's the ||ant queen|| that you have to fight to collect ||strong souls||
fraud you should go hibernate for a couple of days so we all can catch up 😭
yes she is and the fight is SO GOOD. I highly doubt whatever they have left for me in act 3 will top this boss bc she is so perfect in every regard
I don't think i can choose a favorite boss anymore
the game was just banger after banger after banger boss
I am honestly extremely impressed that Team Cherry were willing to put their allegedly best content in the game in a place where very few people will reach because you have to solve a lot of mysteries to even get to act 3 in the first place....... I respect it so much ❤️
just wait till you fight her. there's S tier bosses and then you have ||Karmelita|| who has her own tier
i really liked ||second lace|| but i had upgraded my nail a lot so she died so fast i could barely enjoy the fight ☹️
I actually feel so sorry for those who will never experience act 3 bc its genuinely so peak
did you find the ||second sentinel|| fight? that one was a banger too
yeah i went out of my way to trigger it
There’s two..?
you have to ||randomly meet him twice in the citadel|| to trigger the wish
so i went around just exploring places i thought ||he could show up||
oh that's interesting. what a wierd requirement
you expected there not to be?
I mean it makes vague sense
I only remember one fight!
So u didnt get the other ||ending||]
?
||Lace's|| journal entry does kinda foreshadow ||a second fight||.
didn't you beat the game?


