h1-victory-boasting

[boreal moat]

Manifesting legendary?

What do u mean

[tired shoal]

You're manipulating RNG to get what you want, that's what I call it.

[boreal moat]

Oh

[boreal moat]

I only learned that u can load multiple casts into one shot by the end of phase 2 hades.....

i guess i havent had the whole experience then

bow's way better than i expected, i was simply misled into thinking chiron was the best it had to offer

[tired shoal]

Lmao, yeah. Honestly respect simply for being able to use Bow, I genuinely can't cope with Bow.

[boreal moat]

hera's built different

literally a sniper

i was worried about flurry shot taking away my power shot but it was amazing ngl

had deflect on my special and it did wonders

nuked the sisters, the mage asphodel phase, lernie

[pallid sundial]

Prepare yourself for a hestia smite

[pallid sundial]

Literally the best hammer

[snow thorn]

pretty cool build

[boreal moat]

Wait

What would happen if u had double cast with hera

The poseidon duo, mirage shot

[snow thorn]

you shoot even more boolets

i presume

[boreal moat]

Wish i hit that duo, i had poseidon dash and artemis arrows

So there was a chance

[snow thorn]

i tried going for that, but found no poseidon

parting shot with blinding flash is pretty cool though

huge backstab damage

[boreal moat]

Artemis arrow is one of my fav boons, though I'm not sure if it's as strong as I think

Is it actually a good boon?

[snow thorn]

i think its pretty good

[boreal moat]

Yeah hades was evaporating, had the same thing going on

[boreal moat]

.

[snow thorn]

exit wounds is my favourite though

watching 1000 damage being spat out from the dislodge

so fun

[boreal moat]

Is that the 100 pluck damage?

[snow thorn]

yeah

[boreal moat]

Heard it wasn't that effective

[boreal moat]

Where did u get 1k from

[snow thorn]

that one

nyx mirror upgrade

[boreal moat]

It's 100

[snow thorn]

oh yeah thats its base damage

unupgraded

[boreal moat]

What does it scale on

[snow thorn]

poms

i mean it scales like every other types of damage no?

had priviledged status on too

so 3 dislodges dealt a lot of damage

like 40% of my total damage

[pallid sundial]

chiron with artemis special and concentrated volley goes kinda hard

Didn't get relentless volley though, only point blank shot

I could have taken piercing 💀

Though tbh the hardest room in the run for me was a few armored greatshields

[golden peak]

pb is pb

even if its literally by 00:00:03 seconds

[tired shoal]

You're actually too based.

[fluid inlet]

the first time i use this aspect and keepsake

worst damn luck of my life

[tired shoal]

Scuffiest Zagplume Win.

[kind lichen]

why high confidence but no fiery presence?

[feral quiver]

swap to thick skin, deep pocket and DD and you won't need god mode

[strong ravine]

i think the main issue is that we have deadly strike on fists

[tired shoal]

Fists.

[tired shoal]

I play god mode to play with this build.

It's more fun.

[kind lichen]

even for fists u want fiery and def thick skin

you're very vulnerable and pretty easy to lose hc bonus

[tired shoal]

Why Fiery? I get more dmg from backstab.

[kind lichen]

easier one-shot wretches and other low health enemies in tart

[tired shoal]

Eh, I can do that with Special anyways.

[tired shoal]

Plus I can get back HC bonus easily.

[left ridge]

Took me a couple of tries but I finally reached 50 heat

[tired shoal]

Bouldy Buff.

[left ridge]

Honestly getting Hyper sprint on my 1st Hermes boon really helped
AP2 CP2 is very unfun but the heroes and the dad fight was a lot easier than EM4

I also did something very stupid by being impatient in the last styx room and not triggering SD so I had -100 HP compared to what I could have, but EM3 is soo much easier than EM4

[tired shoal]

Indeed.

[boreal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380393966970863620/1160979773535813782/image.png?ex=6536a1ab&is=65242cab&hm=5dd343159d517b2454a943f673c6ffcab34ba217fbfb9ebcbb53cfb16aec4a9e&

my weapon was basically poseidon's call

did most dmg overall

zeus x aphro duo is op

[fervent night]

Smair moment

[boreal moat]

smair?

[primal crown]

Smoldering air

[boreal moat]

would love to try it again but idk how good itd be with anyone other than poseidon

[kind lichen]

it's pretty good for all calls except aphro and arti

it's great on Zeus or Dio call

[ruby spade]

insane dude

[ruby spade]

what is ember flare and attack?? Never seen it before

[bold jolt]

olympus extra mod

[ruby spade]

ah ok

thanks

[bold jolt]

adds apollo, hestia, and i believe hera

[feral quiver]

Is that a basic 50 beo mirror?

Look miserable tbh

[quiet lark]

previous best was like 21 minutes

[left ridge]

wdym, isn't AP2 CP2 JS3 so fun

[feral quiver]

Nah, i would take ri1 ap1 js2

Or just no cshot and go em4

[tired shoal]

Actual Gigachad.

[bold jolt]

you generally take em4 or like cp1 ap2 dc1 with cshot lmao

[feral quiver]

Hm, i thought cshot is unsafe for em4

[quiet lark]

facetanked dad and heroes

[bold jolt]

i mean like cshot with the dc1 pact

em4 you dont take cshot yeah

[pallid sundial]

what the issue with cshot against EM4 ?

[bold jolt]

dangerous fight, you want the iframes from the rush

[feral quiver]

For some reason, the sweep on em4 feel much easier to dodge compare to normal dad

The spear throw tho, horrifying

[tired shoal]

You're used to it.

[feral quiver]

Not really, normal dad just run around then decide to sweep randomly

It feel more telegraphed with em4 dad

[tired shoal]

Ahhh, fair enough.

[strong ravine]

all acorn lost were from chariot

[bold jolt]

chariot moment

[strong ravine]

doom is pog

killed eyes

[bold jolt]

having any sort of flat damage on the special is nice lmfao

[feral quiver]

Kill the exalted too fast, they respawn

Rama moment

[boreal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380393966970863620/1161039420846252242/image.png?ex=6536d938&is=65246438&hm=86c546f313202a24c206506cbf1a54b203dc21ed4fbd44cf559197d36f72efdd&

im just beating my previous best time with every run lol

[strong ravine]

splitting… good?

pretty good build

except missing dash poms

[boreal moat]

yeah i didnt take many pom routes

preffered boons

I was shook by how fast they went impervious, never got to that level before

[strong ravine]

just wait till u unlock hidden shield

spoiler

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028112977100017666/1127395567136423936/soundslikekrillissue.mp4?ex=65346c71&is=6521f771&hm=38cbf7d3a51cf96c40972a982b061c87aec1a6528bc5725f49cbdef312bfc0c4&

[pallid sundial]

oh, athena flare ?

cool

[strong ravine]

it sucks

don’t use it

[pallid sundial]

ah

hm

[strong ravine]

just use flood or pash

[pallid sundial]

pash ?

[strong ravine]

athena flare is so small that it is common to knock enemies out of the range of it with the bull rush before it even hits

[strong ravine]

passion

aphrodite

[pallid sundial]

oh gotcha

So how did you end up with divine flare then ?

I imagined you switched after getting mirage shot

[strong ravine]

i was trying to get a sub5 with it in hypermodfed

never did but i did one run recently and got a 5:03 so i guess i got better lol

[pallid sundial]

[strong ravine]

my fastest one before was like 5:20

[pallid sundial]

what's hypermodfed though ?

[strong ravine]

it’s like modded but a lot more stuff is guaranteed

[pallid sundial]

oh, sounds cool

[strong ravine]

epic rd, the god on the first miniboss door, better well odds, no 3wave rooms, etc

all configurable

it’s fun for fun but pretty fake to play

and like compare with modded

it’s basically a different game

[pallid sundial]

sounds cool, I'll check it up once I'm done with vanilla

[strong ravine]

guaranteed second hammer

a lot of stuff

fun

[tired shoal]

Damn, even I haven’t been that stacked yet.

Also good music taste.

[real canopy]

First sub 10 minutes

[strong ravine]

nice

do u want any tips

[real canopy]

Sure

[strong ravine]

on hera u dont rlly like tidal dash

[real canopy]

Oh?

[strong ravine]

it messes up your grouping and is pom hungry which detracts from your cast

as well, you dont want to take any calls other than dad call, in styx

because calls make hermes odds worse and on hera the only call that's any good is dad call

[real canopy]

I think the call was my last boon

I'll try dad call on it next time, but I feel the hourglass was really helpful

[strong ravine]

hourglass is very useful

but you want it for ely

not styx

[real canopy]

Gotcha

[strong ravine]

on hera your keepsake rotation usually goes aph -> dem -> hourglass -> dad call

if you got snow burst in tart replace dem with arty for attack

if you got snow burst and a good % attack then idk

[real canopy]

Ahh okay

Thanks for the tips

[strong ravine]

np, btw if you want more you can join speedcord

pinned in #self-promotion

they're super nice in helpful

[real canopy]

Is that just a general speedrunning discord? This is the only game I've ever gotten even half interested in speedrunning lol

[strong ravine]

hades speedrunning discord specifically

[real canopy]

Ahh okay, thanks

I thought I was gonna be happy with sub 10 but then I got so close to sub 9, and that was a 3 sack. So now I gotta do sub 9

[strong ravine]

this game is definitely very fun to speedrun

[real canopy]

It's the only game that's anywhere near this big I've 100% completed as well

[magic rover]

i really liked my build for this one lmao

[quiet lark]

i personally wouldve purged passion and unshakable
acorn's better for styx if you have it

[hot dagger]

It's fun not to be stunned

[feral quiver]

Sound good for em4 butterfly ball

not really

[quiet lark]

sneek?

[bold jolt]

Mettle doesn't prevent hit stun iirc it's just actual stuns like traps and that tis move

[quiet lark]

oh i thought stun meant the 0.00001 nanosecond pause when you get hit by stuff like hazard bomb

[hot dagger]

Aw that's terrible news

[feral quiver]

I'm finally not suck at rama

[bold jolt]

big gaming

[tired shoal]

Based.

[pallid sundial]

chaos keepsake 🧠

[strong ravine]

it’s usually purse or hourglass

egg if u have an ix and feeling spicy and have >150 gold

[pure mica]

Wtf 5 mins

[strong ravine]

it’s pretty easy

once u get the hang of it

[pure mica]

Lol my best in game time is ur real time

[feral quiver]

did you take ri0 just for dark forsight? Feel like God Pride and roll are kinda scuffed by ap2

[pallid sundial]

Finally managed to get a Hera bow win after a handful of attempts

Had a 5 god God pool too

[pallid sundial]

it also coincided with the realisation that I don't have to fully load a shot before shooting, I can just shot and load in whichever order

[feral quiver]

double lego build with chamber 11 trial Unhealthy Fixation

[tired shoal]

Insane luck, Based af build.

[feral quiver]

actually aphro lego make dad fight really unpredictable

not recommend

[boreal moat]

never experienced such emotions towards this game before but, i suddenly feel like i hate this game and want to uninstall it

bow sucks so badly idc what anyone says

easily the worst weapon in the game

0 crowd control and a useless special

0 dmg until u pluck out the crystals

[tired shoal]

Lmao.

Fists User Moment?

[primal crown]

No extra casts or cast dmg moment

Also cp1 ain't making it better

[boreal moat]

not sure what cp1 is but ill assume that its a [act

idk what that is

and crush shot is barely 2 enemies wide

+i cant just spam it when using infernal soul which was recommended

[strong ravine]

*assembles build wrong* yeah hera sucks and is garbage

[boreal moat]

if it has so many conditions and cant work generally chances are its garbage, you're just giving it the best possible conditions

need a whole thesis to put bow to good use apparently

[hollow jacinth]

it’s not even that

you got basically the bare minimum

few poms in cast, snow burst, that’s it

[strong ravine]

ur cast level sucks and u didn’t get good hermes or chaos and u have no well items and no good attack and bad hammers

on a good build u shouldn’t need a full volley

[boreal moat]

Ah, my bad imma just go creative mode and setup everything perfectly

[hollow jacinth]

build doesn’t need to be perfect to be good

plenty of ways to scale damage consistently

especially when you have all of fated persuasion unlocked

[strong ravine]

literally just roll da wells

[golden peak]

seeded for epic strike

only damage was a pot

[feral quiver]

no sure footing L

[tired shoal]

Alpha Run.

[strong ravine]

nice 54 heat run

[golden peak]

how to em4 😩

[strong ravine]

you could have done js3 cp2

[golden peak]

yea im doing that

[strong ravine]

its pretty free

[golden peak]

yea

[strong ravine]

hmmmm

[tired shoal]

Turned from my most scuffed Hestia Run, to my most lucky the moment I went into Styx.

[strong ravine]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[tired shoal]

What?

[strong ravine]

level 8 urge to krill

lvl 1 heartbreak flourish

lvl 1 tidal dash

so many pommables....

[tired shoal]

That's Mom Pom's fault.

[strong ravine]

mom pom doesnt make u take proud bearing or shoals or dying lament or bronze skin or slicing shot or pos call or urge to krill

[tired shoal]

That ain't krill bruh, that's battle rage, also what's ur point?

[strong ravine]

oh i cant read

whatever

but thats so many pommables

which led to the 2 things u rlly want to pom having no poms at all

[tired shoal]

I just liked em.

[strong ravine]

also tho

battle rage

urge to krill

they r pretty similar looking

but lvl 8 battle rage is roughly equivalent to

this does not seem like an efficient target for poms

[tired shoal]

BLAME MOM POM

[pallid sundial]

I mean

no need to push the issue if you don't wanna

but I'm with jazz on that one

[strong ravine]

streak

[bold jolt]

unmodded gaming

working through those heat bounties

[strong ravine]

pog hazard

@golden peak see hazard gud

[bold jolt]

rocket got ap1ed and i was sad and then i saw hazard lmao

[golden peak]

yea im realizing atk hammer dont do much really

if my first hammer is in elysium i still get the same time

[bold jolt]

hazard was one shotting ely archers i think

[tired shoal]

The bouldy clutch goes crazy.

[bold jolt]

it one shot the long swords lmao

[bold jolt]

bouldy -> epic haste -> sell haste -> ely sprint -> styx rd lmao

14% global from bouldy goes hard

[tired shoal]

Indeed.

[golden peak]

Bouldy should unlock rd

[boreal moat]

and thats y fists r amazing

[queen idol]

YESSIR

[primal crown]

lame run

[quiet lark]

"lunge"

[tired shoal]

?

[quiet lark]

nvm its modded right?

deus ex machina and lunge do not exist

[hot dagger]

That's what chaos boons turn into on the records!

[tired shoal]

Lmao.

[quiet lark]

oh

[primal crown]

Ex machina is god mode boon

Is a perfect name

[tired shoal]

Indeed.

[quiet lark]

what does god mode even do

[tired shoal]

80% dmg reduction at max

[primal crown]

Starts at 20% up by 2 on death

[boreal moat]

not bad

quite unique

[tired shoal]

Good stuff.

[burnt onyx]

i got my first win with 1hp left

[quiet lark]

[strong ravine]

not even close

[burnt onyx]

KEKW

[quiet lark]

fiery

[tired shoal]

Quite based.

[burnt onyx]

i dont even know how but i got it

[primal crown]

amazing first impresion

[quiet lark]

i consider this a win

pretty sure it was rama

[tired shoal]

Same, holy...

[lunar peak]

thunder cannon 🌩️

gods legacy is op fr

[tired shoal]

Indeed.

[quiet lark]

confirmed, rama

[brazen minnow]

First 40 heat

[strong ravine]

pog

[brazen minnow]

Wanna try clearing 50 before hades 2

I’m gonna need RI/AP for that right

[strong ravine]

ri no

ap yes

for beo a shrimple 50 heat pact is hl5 lc4 cf2 js3 em3 cp2 bp2 mm uc fo2 hs ap2 td3 pl

do passion flare

snow burst/mistral dash/frost strike with privileged status (yup)

win

[brazen minnow]

or I could max everything else for no AP or RI lol

Will try that pact though

Oh wait I need DC1 I’m not doing hell mode

[strong ravine]

you can toggle it with a mod

and then uninstall the mod

[brazen minnow]

on console

[strong ravine]

oh

id take ri1 then

dc1 sucks

take off whatever 1 point you want, probably cp2

[brazen minnow]

ok

Here comes pain

[strong ravine]

or learn em4

[brazen minnow]

I can do EM4 but prolly not with SD

[tired shoal]

Based.

[tired shoal]

I can give you tips.

[strong ravine]

the thing about em4 is that beo does not have a safe fight there

and it's a little prolonged

[strong ravine]

wrong channel?

[boreal moat]

Ty

[rich parcel]

Finally got this damn fish 😂

Trying to 100% before Hades 2 comes out

All that's left now is the Resource Director

[bold jolt]

close

[strong ravine]

soonge

[bold jolt]

if the game decides to give me more cshots and tart mirages then maybe lmao

c13 mirage shot off of yarn

11 sec furies with no cshot not bad

[strong ravine]

just need the cshot and mirage at a reasonable point

[bold jolt]

cshot was c17

bloodless was also c17

[strong ravine]

[bold jolt]

guess who played badly so it was like a 26 sec room lmao

tbf leaving tart it was like c11 survival, c12 fountain

c22 fountain too

oh it was like a 1:30 ely yeah i'm gonna need more of those for a good time lmao

[boreal moat]

How do y'all clear the whole thing sub 10?

[bold jolt]

a lot of practice

and a tad bit of rng

[boreal moat]

no like legit

I rush through tartarus and asphodel very fast but I'm not sure how to even get close to that

Elysium takes a while

Has a high spawnrate with the kamikaze phases

[bold jolt]

i'm not kidding either lmao it's a lot of practice and basic speedrun strats

[boreal moat]

My purpose with the whole speedrun thing is less playtime for the same experience

Kinda tight in uni xD, gotta make do with breaks

[hot dagger]

Finally I'm faster than a youngun

It might not be that much faster in real time, FYI. A lot of IGT involves pauses

[fervent night]

You should pause every 3 frames like that one person was doing

[bold jolt]

jazz

but also yeah rta and igt times have different strats but the core is kinda the same

[fervent night]

Pause in RTA too trussst

[bold jolt]

take free rooms and whatnot
rta just priorizes poms less and has a more specific meta

(pretty sure about that pom part at least)

[feral quiver]

No fishing, no shade, no gifting bouldy

Rta L

[golden peak]

700+ per shot no joke

[tired shoal]

I! AM! A STURGEON! I AM A STURGEON!!! I AM!!!!!! I AM!!!!!!

[tired shoal]

Gigachad.

[boreal moat]

Y

[bold jolt]

You pause to give yourself time to make decisions, especially at shops and choosing between doors

[fluid inlet]

schockingly good

[strong ravine]

cshot pog

[fluid inlet]

im in love with it

[strong ravine]

its the best single hammer in the game

[strong ravine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779451865399368/1161793776507965500/image.png?ex=653997c5&is=652722c5&hm=880ac8530075fc1cb7aa723896314f054f1b1f4935d031ed7e47378165dcd1f2&=&width=1236&height=701

[bold jolt]

Ely moment

[quiet lark]

no rd?

[hollow jacinth]

Pretty hard to get rd with ap2 and no rerolls

[ruby spade]

common jazz w

[tired shoal]

Washed run, no bouldy.

[boreal moat]

wasnt lucky with pom choices, also had to walk through all paths in styx to find the satyr bag

is there some sort of hint that indicates where the bag is?

[strong ravine]

no

rng

[boreal moat]

rip

[quiet lark]

4 megs and hourglass

[boreal moat]

yet i only remembered to use 1

[quiet lark]

the rest seems pretty good though

[boreal moat]

need to get used to companions and the fact that i have more than a single usage

skelly built a habit of only use companion on ely boss

[boreal moat]

you're saying bat and hour glass are horridfor the build?

[quiet lark]

you should get it pretty quickly

[quiet lark]

no, just that you should have used all the megs and dont bring hourglass to styx

[boreal moat]

heard that i should go hourglass after asphodel

what other keepsake should i use?

[quiet lark]

hourglass is generally for hoarding items in ely to steamroll styx

[boreal moat]

is the distant foes one good?

[quiet lark]

acorn genrally

[strong ravine]

no

[quiet lark]

if you want to do it for the memes/really care about the meta currency, coin purse

the general keepsake choices are:
god/purse->god/tooth->hourglass->acorn/dad

[tired shoal]

No deaths is pretty good, interested in playing Stubborn Defiance?

[tired shoal]

Usually I go to the marked rooms first and usually the second one has the sack in my experience.

[strong ravine]

that is not generally true

[tired shoal]

Ah.

It’s still good to take care if em first.

[boreal moat]

has to be one of my worst fist runs

are my mirror boost correct?

i imagine not, forgot to change them after my bow rubn

[strong ravine]

yep

[quiet lark]

no fiery, thats about right

[strong ravine]

fiery is better

[quiet lark]

what

[strong ravine]

on nearly everything

[quiet lark]

[strong ravine]

including and in particular, fists

[boreal moat]

whats fiery gonna do for my singular punch

[strong ravine]

make it kill a numbskull

make your dash upper kill a brimstone or witch

[quiet lark]

ehhhhh
theyre not speedrunning

[boreal moat]

im supposed to start wtih uppercut?

[strong ravine]

well shadow does basically nothing

fiery is always useful

killing wringers with cast dash strike dash upper

pests with dash strike

[quiet lark]

idk i backstab a lot

[strong ravine]

yeah and how much extra do you get from it on fists

7 damage per hit

not very impactful

it can

shadow is better at heat for that

cause a common heat dem build is eupper arty special

[strong ravine]

the run ever

[tired shoal]

Wish u recorded ur runs, I think they’d be interesting.

[violet bloom]

she does

[strong ravine]

i did

i dont think this run would be very interesting

[violet bloom]

frost strike

[strong ravine]

decisions were made

[tired shoal]

That would be interesting, up to you tho obviously.

I’m just curious.

[strong ravine]

ill upload it ig

[tired shoal]

Sanku.

U have a yt?

Or twitch?

[strong ravine]

https://www.twitch.tv/vetbaitednv/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtTDDtKKafm5XaOScnRBUjw

[strong ravine]

https://youtu.be/obDV0EKre1Y

processing

[tired shoal]

Quul.

[tired shoal]

Wao

[boreal moat]

ngl this was different but fun

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-water-tom-splash-gif-8220480

poseidon cast pre elysium

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[feral quiver]

tidal dash is a bit sus

but overall, an ok build

#h1-victory-boasting message

[tired shoal]

Smah, u could've been so based if u followed in my footsteps.

[boreal moat]

pretty fun weapon ngl, not sure y the hate

[fervent night]

Because it's not good at speed running and the like

[tired shoal]

Cuz not optimal.

[tired shoal]

U still prefer Chthonic Vit?

[tired shoal]

#h1-discussion

[boreal moat]

It's a pve game the last thing i care about is being optimal

If it's good enough it's valid however, u have garbage weapons like charons bow so u can argue there about being optimal

[boreal moat]

What's that

[tired shoal]

BASED!!!!!

[primal crown]

+3 health when entering a room, 2nd mirror skill

[tired shoal]

Purple heart.

[boreal moat]

Always do.

More useful than once in a lifetime. Darkness

Unless I'm doing lower heat ig

[tired shoal]

Tell u what, u wanna have the most fun? Try this mirror:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/929474025216946246/unknown.png?ex=653436a4&is=6521c1a4&hm=cff4a0537bf3d02a10cd5dacffe9decff3353811f482492dff5540d514199afb&

[boreal moat]

I don't like messing with mirror too much, boons and aspects r my limit

Mirror is dangerous

[tired shoal]

Fair.

[tired shoal]

It works for u so tbh.

[feral quiver]

Is hera the only thing that can reliablely backstab cast. I did get a few crit backstab cast that deal over 3000 damage tho.

[tired shoal]

Holy Zeus, this looks sauced.

[boreal moat]

big dmg

[tired shoal]

Blood and Darkness…

[tired shoal]

Indeed, Aunt ‘Dite must love you.

Also pstatus would be great for u, trust me.

[primal crown]

Funny you say it on a run where PS isn't active

[tired shoal]

Could’ve gotten it tho.

Plus FF was barely active.

[primal crown]

It has the max boost

Aphro, pos, dio, dem and hermes

[strong ravine]

btw dont take blown kiss on hera

it makes it really janky

[boreal moat]

y

big ohko no?

[strong ravine]

basically

with blown kiss

so the hitbox of crush shot is a cone right

and blown kiss extends the cone

but it gets narrower at the start

so often with blown kiss if you hit an enemy with the arrow itself the cast won't hit them

but instead will go behind them

[boreal moat]

wot

weird, never had that

[strong ravine]

kinda like that

[tired shoal]

Oh… So it’s that pathetic.

[primal crown]

Is just a 15% dmg difference

[tired shoal]

No, that’s 5% that’s a 35% difference.

[bold jolt]

each god gives you 5% each

[primal crown]

5% per god, 25% boost
Ps is 40%

[strong ravine]

did u actually think each one was 1%

[bold jolt]

i think it's more likely that having any amount of gods is just always 5%

[tired shoal]

No, just that, even if pstats was similarly leveled, the dmg just seems way more worth on pstats.

[strong ravine]

?????

[hot dagger]

But it doesn't do anything for most of your kills

[tired shoal]

I respectfully disagree, especially on boss fights.

[hot dagger]

I think boss fights and like armored Elysium enemies are the only places for it to shine

[strong ravine]

even then it's only 15% additive more

thats less than 1 ichor with common rd

[hot dagger]

Additive blech

[tired shoal]

But I can get that plus an ichor, 15% ain't low.

[strong ravine]

15% is low

3 extra damage on gilga dash strikes

[hot dagger]

It really is minus like on Hestia or Arthur's last combo hit

[strong ravine]

still low on hestia

it's like

12 damage

[hot dagger]

12 damage aww yiss

[boreal moat]

could've been fastest run but styx took too long

i have once again forgotten to use meg on hades...

nopt that it matters, he usually back dashes somehow

[tired shoal]

DamnZzz

[strong ravine]

styx can be tricky on hera

especailly without flurry shot

[tired shoal]

Try and get spearpoint from Patty soon.

[boreal moat]

i couldnt enjoy bow without flurry ngl, noticed that its my dealbreaker

[strong ravine]

i dont think they needed it

[boreal moat]

meant the fact that i had to go through almost all paths except one to get the bag

[strong ravine]

even just playing though

with a 2 sack

can be tricky

in my styxes on hera i pause so much

[tired shoal]

Could help with the speed, if they don’t gotta worry about some dmg.

[strong ravine]

if you're in a speedrun you do not worry about poison damage

the room is cleared within literally seconds

[tired shoal]

Fair.

[strong ravine]

also

[hot dagger]

Even I have learned not to spearpoint in Styx!

[strong ravine]

lightning rod duo decreases your bloodstone pickup range @boreal moat

so generally dont take it on castspects

[tired shoal]

?

Where else?

[hot dagger]

Nowhere

[strong ravine]

nice athena aid

[golden peak]

carried

[feral quiver]

Well that was quick

[boreal moat]

wasnt even sure what it does, just took it for prophecy purposes

never seen it before

[strong ravine]

its very good on bad aspects

because it picks up the slack

but hera is not a bad aspect

[boreal moat]

no such thing as a bad aspect, unless u mean charon;s bow

[strong ravine]

yeah on chiron it is literally a main goal

[boreal moat]

Is chiron not charon?

Boatman

[ruby spade]

No

Chiron is a bow aspect

[feral quiver]

Chiron is a centaur

[tired shoal]

THE Centaur.

[strong ravine]

are u ever gonna venture further into speed

i feel like ud get to sheeting pretty quick

[golden peak]

its very frustrating

when you dont get what you want

[strong ravine]

that’s what’s fun about speed though

as you get better you need less and less for good times

[golden peak]

i mean i could try but i only try to beat my pb when heat gets annoying

[strong ravine]

i mean dont do it if its not fun

but it can be very fun

[golden peak]

ye it is fun

[strong ravine]

eris doesnt help with the rng factor tho

clockets

[golden peak]

😭

[strong ravine]

meanwhile on beo the wulf you literally do not need anything for a sub6

other than some skips and a dream

[golden peak]

i tried with beo i got 12 mins

[strong ravine]

it can be a little hard to get used to

[golden peak]

maybe after i do all weapons at 50

or get sick of all weapons at 50

whichever comes first

luckily sword and fists arent considered weapons so i dont have to do those

[kind lichen]

first 40!

i luv hestia

[strong ravine]

pog

[kind lichen]

ap1 showed mercy

[strong ravine]

dash poms rip

[kind lichen]

yea didn't find many poms this run

[boreal moat]

Ever since i realized how good rushed delivery is, i only got it once.

[kind lichen]

you need to have hyper sprint/greater haste

or plume

[fervent night]

False

[fervent night]

I haven't got it at all lmao

I think I got it exactly one time ever

[boreal moat]

Yeah i always get those

[golden peak]

i am false

[fervent night]

True!

[golden peak]

false

[brazen minnow]

Technically the shop item opens it up too

[primal crown]

It doesn't

Getting rd from an ichor alone would be mad funny tho

[bold jolt]

me when UC makes me sell my common greater haste after aspho

[pallid sundial]

me when UC, really

[ruby widget]

My first Rail 32 Heats clear, Spread FIre is awesome

[lunar peak]

new record :DDD

[winter scroll]

If I'm getting the math right, this Zagbow had +854% damage on perfect shots, with consistent crits. Half-decent numbers. (929% with Fiery Presence.)

Never thought you could get the bonus so high. Obviously this doesn't mean biggest DPS

[primal crown]

is this counting bad news?

[winter scroll]

Yes

For Lambent Plume, I subtracted 1.2% which got added after final boss

(Assuming it gets added before this screen is shown, not after, I forgot; whatever)

[ruby widget]

Just cleared 32 heats with all weapons (not all the aspects), feeling good.

[tired shoal]

Niiice, working there myself.

[golden peak]

have to start somewhere 🙏

[hollow jacinth]

Yonked build

[feral quiver]

red build for new record

[bold jolt]

god damn huge build

[pallid sundial]

Now I'm curious as to how the damage from doom special compares to zeus or dio on rama

[feral quiver]

Damage wise, zeus better

Way better

But doom kill the eyes in elysium

Really convenient

[pallid sundial]

gotcha, thx for the info

[bold jolt]

tbf it is ap2, you just take literally any flat damage special and be happy about it lmao

[feral quiver]

Divine flourish work

For vaxon

I like it too, make the witch go bye bye

[bold jolt]

oh yeah any flat damage + divine flourish you'll be happy about lmao

[pallid sundial]

oh yeah, but I always thought of dio/zeus on rama, maybe arte if your aspect is lvl1 or something

So I never thought of curse of pain on rama, and I wondered how good it is compared to other builds

[feral quiver]

Without ap2, it’s a cope pick

Maybe it could work with some weird raME run

[brisk flume]

[feral quiver]

7 heat for second clear

46:51 first clear too, not sure i want to sit that long for a run but well played

[leaden hedge]

My First Clear.. Have mixed emotions about it..

Took 32 Tries to finally do this

and then dude says there's more story left so torture yourself and spec out even more...

[primal crown]

32 attempts is kinda the average

You also don't have aspects yet so that's another way to strengthen yourself

[leaden hedge]

Yeah...
But if it seriously takes 40 min for each clear.. I will be dead..

[fervent night]

You will get faster as you go

I used to average 40 minutes, I didn't do any speed running trick and got down to 18-20 minute average naturally.

[leaden hedge]

Hoo thats kinda pog looking at it from beginner's perspective..

[fervent night]

The world record is under 5 minutes btw. All but two aspects have a WR under 6 minutes. Don't worry about matching that though there's a lot of weird tech and absurd rng that goes into those

[leaden hedge]

Thanks for the info

[fervent night]

The one tech that's easy to implement from speedruns is ALWAYS go for non combat rooms. They're much faster.

[leaden hedge]

aah isn't that kinda a double edged sword cuz you won't get many upgrades making urself underpowered..

[fervent night]

Nah. Shops have lots of potential upgrades as long as you remember to take gold rooms, fountains restore a ton of health AND give you a reward, chaos rooms give you potentially incredibly useful boons, etc

House?

[fervent night]

That's a speed run strat I've been using and it has only negatively impacted my strength one time and that was because I had a bad build going into Asphodel and got so many free rooms I skipped most of it and had to do the boss with a curse effect

[bold jolt]

also you dont necessarily need all of those boons in the end to clear, a decent chunk of them could be dropped and you'd still be fine

[fervent night]

Why house emote?

[hot dagger]

Because you said house, of course!

[bold jolt]

"fountains restore a ton of house" lol

[fervent night]

Oh! Stupid phone

Fixed it

[pallid sundial]

yeah, 40 minutes for the first clear on 32th try is totally in the average

You'll probably get down to 30, then 20 minutes clears without really trying

as the lyre arc tells us, it's all about practice

[golden peak]

honestly shouldve waited another minute or 2 more for the memes

[boreal moat]

oughta be my most nerve wreaking run

em3 ruined all kinds of stability in the run

[tired shoal]

Holy Gilgachad.

[boreal moat]

i forgot how fun nemesis is

might not go back to arthur at this point

[tired shoal]

I getcha, Nemesis feels euphoric.

[tired shoal]

Nice Mirror btw.

[quiet lark]

probably a duster user

my runs used to take about that long

[hollow jacinth]

lol

[tired shoal]

Casual Heat fiddy

[feral quiver]

I really think you can go for 56 with rama tbh

Casual 50 heat player

[severe pond]

first 32 heat clear with fists (Ive mainly used the rail and want to start branching more into the other weapons)

[feral quiver]

couldn't get the RaMEnd, the doom stacking was doing over 700 damage

[tired shoal]

Hazard Bomb's making me wanna have Eris tbh.

[primal crown]

[kind lichen]

this would've been a lil faster if i didn't get 4-sacked

[lunar peak]

so close to new best

[lunar peak]

gg!!

[tired shoal]

Damn bro, u were sauced up, I feel bad.

[tired shoal]

Based build

[hollow jacinth]

Nice rta

[mellow zephyr]

My first victory!

[primal crown]

R o d gaming

[lunar peak]

definitely not impressive but hey, it's mine

[golden peak]

just get the duo boon lol

[golden peak]

eris gang

[feral quiver]

em4 when

[golden peak]

when i play rama again (never)

[golden peak]

CURSED

first try as well

[tired shoal]

Ayo?

Hazard Bomb Hestia goes crazy rii?

[feral quiver]

That’s eris

[primal crown]

Delta hazard best eris combo

[feral quiver]

You can iframe the bomb and still get bonus

[golden peak]

yea

time for 56 with ri2

[feral quiver]

Ri2 is just ri1 with less health

No biggie 💀

[kind lichen]

new pb

[feral quiver]

curse of longing is op

[tired shoal]

Finally, they admit it.

[feral quiver]

Lmao no, it’s suck

Barely does anything, most of the time they are dead after 1 special dash strike

[kind lichen]

bad hermes boons(except for dash)

i should try for sub 10

[tired shoal]

lv 11 is crazy.

[kind lichen]

pretty common on beo

[tired shoal]

Wild.

[boreal moat]

such a shame, would've been my fastest run if not for styx taking too long

possibly the only lance run where i genuinely had fun

would like to go through it again

[tired shoal]

Guan Yu diff.

[boreal moat]

athena normal atk was amazing

[tired shoal]

Also are u finaly breaking ur Divine Addiction?

[tired shoal]

Rii?

[tired shoal]

Plus with the spin atk?

[boreal moat]

my what?

[boreal moat]

ehh

rarely used it

[tired shoal]

Divine Dash Addiction.

[boreal moat]

takes too long to be worth it

[tired shoal]

It's the best spin atk , trust.

[boreal moat]

meh

not a fan of charged atks

[tired shoal]

Fair.

[boreal moat]

one thing i know for sure, im not going back to aspect of gilgamesh

normal fist combo is just too good

[tired shoal]

Fair, looks like your build's looking more based than usual.

You're recovering from ur Divine Addiction, and that Aphro Call is looking mad sexy.

[boreal moat]

?

Fr, used it twice on hades

[tired shoal]

Divine Dash.

[boreal moat]

Pretty much works like an unlimited meg

[tired shoal]

Didja use it to interrupt mobs in mob rooms? Cuz that's really useful too.

[boreal moat]

Got my last undiscovered arty boon, comboed pretty well with aphro call

[tired shoal]

Fr, but if it accidentally hits anything else you just wanna defy death.

[boreal moat]

Having my gauge boosted for every crit on a crit build had that gauge flying

Once i use it, I'm already almost at 3 bars

[tired shoal]

Lmao, I barely ever used Arty's crit call cuz it didn't seem worth, nice.

[boreal moat]

back on track

zeus cast is amazing in styx

[ruby spade]

t-dash too

[tired shoal]

Hot damn you’re sauced.

[feral quiver]

first try, didn't know drunk strike and artemis call is so good

[golden peak]

eris gang

[tired shoal]

They really are, especially once u get some passives on em.

[feral quiver]

Yeah, eris + artemis call is busted

I nuke dad 3 times, each time about 2.5k

[quiet lark]

second heat 32 clear happened to be my second best time

(ignore the haste)

[primal crown]

Big attack

[quiet lark]

over half my runs are now clears

[boreal moat]

Do u guys just go 32heat for the sake of it?

I'm slowly climbing my way up getting the rewards per heat level

Does doing extra heat give u all rewards at once or something?

[primal crown]

32 heat gives you the last skelly statue

But also just for the challenge of it

[quiet lark]

yeah, i find slowly climbing heat to be too easy

[boreal moat]

its about the rewards

once again, i couldnt beat my 10 win streak

i was wrong to thing plume would be any good

[hot dagger]

Plume is like all-or-nothing

[boreal moat]

hades destroyed me so hard i practically got into phase 2 with no death defiances

or maybe 1

[tired shoal]

Lemme see your most used boon, I’m betting it’s Divine Dash

[quiet lark]

guess mine:

[golden peak]

mine is heartbreak strike resetting for rarity lmao

[primal crown]

not recorded first sub 7 lets goooo

[bold jolt]

gamer

[golden peak]

because eris

[fervent night]

Guess mine. I'd have to actually check though

[tired shoal]

Zeus Aid

[fervent night]

Divine dash. Followed by hyper sprint, greatest reflex, and flood shot in that order lmao.

[tired shoal]

Lmao, your win screens scammed me lol

[fervent night]

I've just been using it more lately because I've discovered it's really good. I used to main divine aid

lmao you can tell I used arthur a lot because greater consecration is in a three way tie for 3rd most used hammer. The top two are breaching slash and breaching cross

[tired shoal]

Based.

Don’t get hooked on the divine tho, it takes forever to break the addiction.

[fervent night]

Yeah I was very hooked. I got unhooked by not playing for a year and now I've been addicted to tidal dash

[quiet lark]

interesting, my divine addiction lasted a bit, then i got out of it quickly

blocking on the other hand...

[tired shoal]

Lmao.

I’m still recovering, it’s my third most used and my 2nd place dash is less than half the number lol.

[quiet lark]

ive already recovered, just to realize i suck

now im forming a ranged weapon addiction(primarily hestia)

[tired shoal]

Based.

[quiet lark]

next up: arthur, abyssal, and calculated risk

[fervent night]

do it

[shell nacelle]

more than 70% of my runs have Greatest Reflex in it lmao

[boreal moat]

When did u even see me use dd

[tired shoal]

Damn…

[tired shoal]

Fair.

[feral quiver]

this thing does negative damage fr, not gonna touch it again for a long time

[shell nacelle]

https://imgur.com/GnkIwDP my first successful 32 Heat Chiron run ever, yay!

[tired shoal]

\Lv 18 is wild.

[shell nacelle]

the game offered me Sweet Nectar 3 times lmao
once in Asphodel, the same choice also offered me Low Tolerance so I took that
a second time right before Lernie, picked it up this time but had to purge it entering Styx
last time in my first chamber of Styx LMAO

ofc i picked it up again

[tired shoal]

It was not leaving you, lol

[shell nacelle]

i raised the Dio Special level by 5 in Styx alone

[tired shoal]

Insane.

[shell nacelle]

even more insane part is this: https://i.imgur.com/IUDT38t.png

[tired shoal]

Bro wingmanned tf outta Hades.

[shell nacelle]

i got insanely lucky in Elysium too

i had to purge freaking Greatest Reflex entering Elysium; i had no fodder boons because i was spamming poms/c-hearts

the second room of Elysium gave me GReflex back

[feral quiver]

you can watch chiron speedrun here

https://www.twitch.tv/babloization

he is streaming rn

[shell nacelle]

ahaha 8 minutes in and he goes "Artemis is actually the best god here, just for True Shot."

i feel validated

True Shot is amazing

[strong ravine]

its not really for the true shot

its for rod

and filling cores

[shell nacelle]

rod? rod of fishing?

[bold jolt]

lightning rod

[ember heart]

Finally managed a Chiron run, felt different…

I just noticed smth is off with the victory screen

[tired shoal]

How’d u like the Ares Call?

[ember heart]

It was the “help I need to get out of here” kinda thing, I rarely used it for actual damage I think

[tired shoal]

Ahhhhhhh.

[ember heart]

I probably would’ve been better off with Athena call, but I won’t complain, and istg chiron is a magnet for duo boons

[tired shoal]

Luck Stat W

[ember heart]

I didn’t think poison would be that strong with all those duo boons, I probably could’ve pommed the special a bit more, but I’m glad I actually survived that (and I also kinda went into the fight with like 600-700 hp)

[bold jolt]

low tolerance and curse of nausea kinda good together

[ember heart]

kinda? I just Shot once and let the special do it’s work

[strong ravine]

?

[primal crown]

God mode tracks your stats appart from non god mode

If you mean the lack of wins and what not

[tired shoal]

It does? How?

[primal crown]

If you turn on god mode any win with it won't appear if you turn it off

[golden peak]

i have no idea why people like this

this has been the most uncomfortable and unintuitive weapon ive played

[bold jolt]

lmfao

[golden peak]

like i had a chaos curse on me the whole game

[bold jolt]

nice win

[golden peak]

hera for all bows 40

[bold jolt]

might be because most people don't do 40 idk but then they do 32 with cursed pacts with chiron so idk

based abyssal blood tho

[primal crown]

Where's your health bar

[golden peak]

the timings felt so off probably the abysall blood

[bold jolt]

🔍

[golden peak]

had it on by mistake

[boreal moat]

fastest run but does it even count?

wanted to see how effective it would be going on low heat to farm darkness

not that effective...

[hot dagger]

Rama can easily take you closer to or under 10 min

[boreal moat]

not sure how when it takes forever to charge

[hot dagger]

Simply do not charge it all the way to perfect shot

Rama is a game of cost/benefit 😄

[boreal moat]

then theres no range to traverse

[hot dagger]

Rama is a melee weapon!

[boreal moat]

a bow...

[hot dagger]

...that you smack people with!

[boreal moat]

does playing on lower heat change the amount of darkness ?

so like if my max heat is 10 would playing 4 or 8 change anything

[hot dagger]

Play at 9 heat for optimal SPEEEEEED: FO2 and EM2. Or 6 heat if you'd prefer FO1 over FO2

[boreal moat]

why would 9 be faster than 0?

also that doesnt answer my question of whether the quantity of darkness given changes

[hot dagger]

Because EM2 is faster than EM0, and FO1 and FO2 make enemies spawn faster and come to you more quickly

It doesn't change quantity of darkness

[ruby spade]

why not max fo?

[bold jolt]

Fo2 can be difficult if you're not used to it

Fo1 still helps

[ember heart]

Yeah that explains it, thank you

[tired shoal]

Huh

[grave vector]

god mode and regular mode runs are saved seperately

[tired shoal]

That’s how I feel playing it.

[tired shoal]

You still have on Dark Foresight, that’s nerfing your darkness.

Also thanks Alma

[boreal moat]

dark foresight gives more darkness?

[strong ravine]

olympian favor gives u a few more blue laurel rewards

in exchange for being way worse than dark foresight

[tired shoal]

^

[ember heart]

That’s slightly annoying, but I can see the reason, I just gotta do a normal clear with the others now

[golden peak]

aspect of zagrus is so op

[strong ravine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779451865399368/1078402030109990993/image.png?ex=653ac1a7&is=65284ca7&hm=4d0fb632736114947ebcc7c995055c9b78e5cf75e7877a90a935867b9cf59e32&

[golden peak]

mirror

my 2nd hammer suck

[tired shoal]

Common Jazz W

[golden peak]

which aspect or weapon next

[strong ravine]

guan yu

[golden peak]

ok

[golden peak]

literal glass cannon

[strong ravine]

nah its super safwe

[golden peak]

man im at em3 with 93 health and no patty

[golden peak]

man this thing SUCKS

yeah but not in a row

when i get bored of other stuff

i died to hades

on time

[golden peak]

idk cursed pact

but neither of those

[golden peak]

idk

i am abyssal enjoyer

would have died without it technically

what next

[strong ravine]

zeus

[feral quiver]

friendship ended with zeus, now arty is my friend

[bold jolt]

lmfao based

did you just start arty

[feral quiver]

yeah

[bold jolt]

gamer

[feral quiver]

451 crit is cool

bai did said you can go any special with zeus at 62 and win

[golden peak]

Shackle boonless 62 when

[bold jolt]

i think shackle 60 at a minimum has been done

[bold jolt]

i mean although that's true that doesn't mean that it's not easier to go something else lmao

worse builds just means better and cleaner gameplay/mechanics

[feral quiver]

true

[boreal moat]

gotta love dealing 2k per slash

arty exc is fun

[tired shoal]

Indeed, now imagine aphro atk with crit.

[boreal moat]

just doesnt work

[tired shoal]

Based as hell.

[boreal moat]

cirt chance too low

[tired shoal]

Nah, get Hunter’s Mark with Pressure Points and with consistent poms you can get consistent crits.

[pallid sundial]

Finally done with 32 heat on all aspects !

I think the worst was gilga

[quiet lark]

mine will probably be chiron or sword

[pallid sundial]

which sword ? All of them ?

Chiron was painless for me

arte special aphro attack heart rend goes brrr

[kind lichen]

yea Chiron is pretty easy on 32

[pallid sundial]

concentrated volley ofc

ngl chiron without concentrated is pretty much pain