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#h1-high-heat-strategies
lone bridge
frozen spear
lmao
lone bridge
anyway you dont need to open the files
frozen spear
I don't even play on fullscreen
lone bridge
just as long as you know where the saves folder is
frozen spear
see the problem is that there aren't any files with comprehensible names like Save1
lone bridge
oh
frozen spear
they're all strings of hex digits
lone bridge
thats problematic
frozen spear
I checked via cmd and there aren't any hidden files in the same folder
guess I'll check prev one
nope
yeah so don't try to savescum on xbox gamepass
lone bridge
thats so weird
lone bridge
this is why i only use steam
frozen spear
lol yeah
although the container.10 file suggests the existence of Profile1.ctrls, Profile1_Temp.sav, Profile2.sjson, Profile3.sjson
as to where they are not a clue
lone bridge
anyway you can tell what files correspond to what save by the date and time modified things but i dont know how to diffrentiate between or replace files
frozen spear
indeed
lone bridge
although the container.10 file suggests the existence of Profile1.ctrls, Profile...
it would make sense if those existed lol
frozen spear
is game still on sale on steam?
lone bridge
yes, i think
frozen spear
$15 hm
lone bridge
not sure if that purchase is worth it lmao
frozen spear
tbh I don't mind at all so I'll probably buy it
frozen spear
fun stuff lmao, thanks gamepass
I had to do so much monkeying around just to have a Hades folder show up in the first place
including some sort of conversion within xbox app
brought some of the files to visibility like the .lua ones
lone bridge
why is this such a mess
frozen spear
gamepass moment
worn vault
Does completing a 32 heat run on 10th escape attempt means I get to skip the final boss and get the 3 skelly statues?
clever otter
i believe so
halcyon onyx
Yes. I did that đ€Ł
dawn comet
Nice
nocturne stag
Gjfhfj
dreamy star
oof I died to asterius on 40 heat hestia
fo2 was a bad idea
but also idk what else to use lol
shy plinth
Getting used to FO2 probably a good idea
dreamy star
got it the next attempt https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/963233156297785446/993960044343345192/20220705122200_1.jpg
pseudo kernel
nice
dreamy star
I got hit by a pot in dad fight and lost my sd instantly lmao
that was scary
ebon orbit
"Heal with SD instead" oh ok I'll just casually stop needing multiple lives against Hades 
ebon orbit
Pins hurt my feelings 
left prism
Just get athena dds
pseudo kernel
just dont die
ebon orbit
Thanks Hypnos
upper juniper
Pins hurt my feelings <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Thatâs the intention
lone bridge
dude lets go
im on em4
and didnt run into pat
đ
did get epic rd tho
didnt get clockets tho
yep i died to dad
ez
left prism
nice summons?
left prism
rip
dreamy star
cp2, ri2, ap1?
frozen spear
not having PL is pain
hoary pasture
Do you have a hell mode file
dreamy star
nope
frozen spear
RI1 AP2 is preferable I think
dreamy star
that's 49 without hell mode
hoary pasture
Yea you might have to run that
frozen spear
nah that's 50
dreamy star
wait
nvm
frozen spear
CP2 sucks really hard on hestia
dreamy star
alright
ig 50 is where the rng starts huh
hoary pasture
Just run shackle
hoary pasture
How do you upload a file here
Upload it somewhere else and copy the link and paste it here
halcyon onyx
Thanks. I tried that
Now I can see link but not as image
Nothing special just 32 heat on 10th escape with very basic mirror
forest token
couldn't you techically cheese the world record for highest heat beaten on the 10th win so you wouldn't have to fight dad
pseudo kernel
you cant get em4 before the credits
forest token
oh rip
dreamy star
Just run shackle
do you run shackle in tartarus and swap it out for acorn once you get a good attack?
hoary pasture
do you run shackle in tartarus and swap it out for acorn once you get a good att...
You can yea
If you get an attack in Tart you can force something else in Aspho or use tooth
dreamy star
why tooth?
hoary pasture
I find tooth nicer for Asphodel and if you dont end up using it you can pop it in the lava after lernie so you enter Ely with 100hp
dreamy star
ic
ffs the game's giving me lightning strike
welp died in ely cause no attack boon
to asterius miniboss
bronze rapids
Has anyone done 40 heat with zag fist or gilga dodge
bronze rapids
console resetting
solemn pulsar
Has anyone done 40 heat with zag fist or gilga dodge
Yeah was fun
Em4 fight had 99% dodge for most of it
bronze rapids
owo
raw cloud
couldn't you techically cheese the world record for highest heat beaten on the 1...
though i think you could cheat all the skelly statues just by doing 32
lone bridge
or you could get a wr time (sadly you need to show victory screen đ for it to count)
thats the only explicit rule that would make it not work lol
rta is timed by "the instant the final boss dies" but its not required to be submitted for igt runs lol
rigid tundra
what is the current best of heat? has anyone done all heat cp?
upper juniper
Didnât someone do 64 routed/seeded?
hoary pasture
Yes
pseudo kernel
yeah
hoary pasture
64 Heat Route was made by Cgull and ran by Baj on Zeus Shield
But it's very different
upper juniper
so that doesnât count when someone asks if max heat has been completed yet
pseudo kernel
yeah
hoary pasture
Unseeded is a different beast
Routed is basically all about execution, in the case of 64 heat it removes 2 major things that you will suffer through if unseeded which are the rng and the timer
Still a very impressive achievement
rigid tundra
62 is the highest heat somebody has cleared
is there a video of this?
pseudo kernel
yeah which video do you want
theres modded zag shield
modded mirrorless zag shield
and unmodded zeus
hoary pasture
There's modded Zeus too
hoary pasture
sadge
rigid tundra
the 62 heat, bc i think the 62 heat is a Unseeded run right?
hoary pasture
the 62 heat, bc i think the 62 heat is a Unseeded run right?
These are all 62 unseeded
pseudo kernel
pseudo kernel
shut up
left prism
https://youtu.be/qtDp6fCcyS8
Thumbnail my beloved
rigid tundra
thanks
frozen spear
isn't there 62 eris
pseudo kernel
no
lone bridge
isn't there 62 eris
thatd be insane lol
sweet cypress
what does modded do again
pseudo kernel
4 core boons in first boon, guaranteed 2 sack, removes some minibosses, guarantees a specific hammer
lone bridge
a specific hammer for your first one, that is
sweet cypress
rip barge
frozen spear
also fountain rooms visible and some qol stuff like quick restart and hell mode toggle
lone bridge
fountain rooms visible is the one thing in there im kinda iffy about
dire steppe
what does â4 core boons in first boonâ mean
does it mean the first boon you see will be from a god you pick and that they will somehow give you a list of attack special dash cast to pick from 100% of the time
pseudo kernel
do they just make them smaller
yeah
nocturne stag
This is untrue
The game just favors spawning those 4 in your 3 boon choices until you've got them
bright smelt
The game just favors spawning those 4 in your 3 boon choices until you've got th...
they're talking aobut modded
nocturne stag
Oh
weak pike
Alright, going for my first 32 heat run this evening. Any tips? I'm just shy of run #100, I've beaten EM Hades once but can't do it again, but the other EM bosses don't give me much trouble.
shy plinth
What's your pact and mirror?
lone bridge
using a good pact will make it a lot easier
weak pike
This is what I did for heat 16, how do you think I should get to 32? https://imgur.com/a/mlsxNGE
(Pact on page's 2nd image)
forest token
Depending on the build Olympian pride might be better
left prism
Is god's pride 
pseudo kernel
Depending on the build Olympian pride might be better
laj
bruh wrong keyboard layout
i meant to say nah
weak pike
On my heat 16 run I got a little over 26 minutes
Current best time is 21:30 with the Adamant Rail
forest token
Is god's pride <:dusa:522248771409543188>
i am so good at remembering names
pseudo kernel
yes
frozen spear
guess you should TD2 for now
lone bridge
smh dvorak user
pseudo kernel
smh dvorak user
frozen spear
but if you wanna do well at 32+ you need to start getting used to TD3
weak pike
Thanks. Man, this is going to be rough...
frozen spear
if you can do 16 you can do 32
pseudo kernel
if you can do 8 you can do 16
frozen spear
there's nothing in 32 that you're not familiar with or will overwhelm you
frozen spear
128 heat easy
shy plinth
This is what I did for heat 16, how do you think I should get to 32? https://img...
Alright so... 32 is a big jump from this, golden touch is rarely correct and dark foresight is crazy crazy powerful and much better than OF. Most 32 pact runs are on Stubborn Defiance, you can still use DD but Stubborn is much better to use with lasting consequence 4
Here is a heat prog that I recommend
The most commonly successful 32 is HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3 with stubborn defiance
I personally prefer HL1 CF0 FO2 but many people find FO2 harder
It may be worth going up in smaller steps, though I'd bet that your builds will come together much more quickly with dark foresight - it's a truly broken mirror talent
weak pike
Alright, thanks! Will give that a look and tell you guys how I go
weak pike
Welp, on my first try got my butt handed to me by Tisiphone. Probably didn't help that I messed up an early Erebus gate. Will try again in a minute.
weak pike
Aaaand Alecto got me
sweet cypress
You could always go for the "funny ap2 ri2 shackle" strat
Hestia + shackle is actually unfair
pseudo kernel
or you could just get boons and have a good time without ap2 and ri2
pseudo kernel
you can use hestia shackle but whats with ap2 ri2
you are using two of the worst pact options at 32 heat
frozen spear
I guess I can see the appeal
you're relieving 9 heat off which is a lot
but then AP2 will randomly shove an attack in your face so meh no reason not to aphro start instead
pseudo kernel
just take hearts or whatever
that would be easier if you didnt take ri2 and get dark foresight back
and you can just purge your boons
sweet cypress
but then AP2 will randomly shove an attack in your face so meh no reason not to ...
its like a 1/4 chance on first boon and if you nab a dash like 1/10
purging exists too
frozen spear
why wouldn't you aphro attack start then
pseudo kernel
thats way too hard with ap2 ri2 smh
frozen spear
that gives you weak, pom ability, and keepsake flexibility
pseudo kernel
if only there were better pact options
sweet cypress
the strat also works w rama and arthur though i dont see why you would ever want to put it on rama at all
weak pike
Hestia shackle build? What's that?
frozen spear
you keep shackle on the entire game
weak pike
Hm, I'll consider that tactic
frozen spear
I wouldn't recommend it
you have no reason to monkey around with the two most damaging pacts of RI and AP
upper juniper
Nah shackle Zag sword
pseudo kernel
Bruh just do AP2 at that point
dreamy star
no
lone bridge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/995102996016926732/996613833705664512/unk...
bruh just like ap2 cp0 js2 lmao
lone bridge
why cp1 and not js2
pseudo kernel
Idk
lone bridge
bruh
dreamy star
bruh just like ap2 cp0 js2 lmao
what if I hate AP2 that much
pseudo kernel
Just get good boons it's not that hard
lone bridge
believe me i also hate ap2 but this is hestia lmao
hestia needs like
tidal dash
boom ez
dreamy star
I'll try AP2 next time then
quartz mantle
what if I hate AP2 that much <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Use shackle and donât take Dio or Zeus boons
solemn pulsar
Use shackle and donât take Dio or Zeus boons
The best calls 
quartz mantle
This is Poseidon call erasure
solemn pulsar
This is Poseidon call erasure
dreamy star
I'll try AP2 next time then
I hate AP2 even more now
sweet cypress
Getting forced cursed slash from hammer 
honest kernel
getting forced cursed slash on arthur
clever otter
im just going to delete this sticker, a bit too disturbing
frozen spear
@clever otter while you're here can we be allowed to send images in this channel
shy plinth
If you post them to an image hosting site, you can post the link
clever otter
to make it harder for trolls and such that might come around to spam images
pseudo kernel
should make a role for people who have beaten 50+ heat that gives them image perms
frozen spear
oh please
clever otter
lol
clever otter
i dont think giving special discord permissions to people who have gotten an in-game achievement is going to happen, nor is it a good idea
frozen spear
not necessarily 50 heat but I think there should be a role for trusted people within this channel allowing image posting
lone bridge
lmao
clever otter
right, ill get on it right away
lone bridge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/548318455695278123/997193494483456020/unk...
that was zyruvias
pseudo kernel
yeah thats me
lone bridge
nice try
lone bridge
yeah thats me
hmmm
frozen spear
jesus how did you get stubborn
pseudo kernel
cheat engine
lone bridge
jesus how did you get stubborn
tooth
clever otter
i will bring up image permissions in this channel and in general with the mod team btw
frozen spear
awesome thanks
jaunty falcon
:wmicpog:
frozen spear
I heard uploading to imgur can't be made private if you're on mobile
so if someone didn't know about uploading to discord first I bet they'd get a lot of hate from random imgur users
bronze rapids
should make a role for people who have beaten 50+ heat that gives them image per...
you do realize that would make a certain crocodile-related image spams even more rampant right
weak pike
Update: I can get around about up to the Bone Hydra, after tweaking the Pact a bit to fit my playstyle. I'm having a lot of success with the Rail, which aspect do you guys recommend?
hoary pasture
Update: I can get around about up to the Bone Hydra, after tweaking the Pact a b...
Hestia and Eris are the strongest, Hestia is safer the higher the heat, what does your pact look like
weak pike
Max Lasting Consequences, Max Convivence Fee, a little Hard Labour, using that ignore-one-instance-of-damage one to take advantage of the Rail's high RoF, Approval Process, Heightened Security, and Tight Deadline 2
mossy zinc
Do DC0 TD3 instead.
weak pike
I'm pretty sure, I don't actually have the pact in front of me and I can't remember it off by heart
And so far I've found Approval Process not too bad, I can generally find something that works and I have rerolls for the few cases I can't
mossy zinc
If you'd found something that worked, you'd be done by now. 
AP is usually avoided until like 50ish.
mossy zinc
If you're using Eris, I would also get rid of CF.
Anything that hurts your ability to get a broken build.
shy plinth
I think it's not a question of playstyle so much as practice
You can tweak here or there between td3 or HL5 but you gotta learn some combo of td3 HL5 or fo2 unless you want to take some pretty unpleasant options
Like Nyaanyaa said, builds are key. Higher damage output solves a lot of problems
mossy zinc
With a decent Eris build, you can just roll over everything at 32 Heat. No thinking required. 
errant oasis
And so far I've found Approval Process not too bad, I can generally find somethi...
Are we talking 32 Heat?
actually never mind
all of my âadviceâ will be heavily skewed towards my apparently bad pact decisions
flat flicker
all of my âadviceâ will be heavily skewed towards my apparently bad pact decisio...
just do em4 at 36, then when you turn it off the other stuff doesnât seem as hard
frozen spear
Update: I can get around about up to the Bone Hydra, after tweaking the Pact a b...
what heat is this
mossy zinc
32 Heat.
shy plinth
If you're using eris how often are you only shooting something once
Especially lightning eris
If it's not hard for you to break through shields, why not commit to having the shields
Generally speaking you either care a lot about losing the first hit or you don't care much at all - though it matters for all weapons, even on the ones where it's a lower cost
It still slows you down, but on eris or rama or whatever, the impact is greatly mitigated and DC2 vs DC1 is functionally identical
frozen spear
a few weapons do hate DC2 vs DC1
namely if their dps sequence has an initial hit
eg beo
frozen spear
achilles yeah
doom related builds are kinda ok with DC1 vs 2
since you need to whack them anyways to doom
shy plinth
I'd be pretty surprised if dc1 was correct at 32 tho
frozen spear
would never recommend
shy plinth
The most common mistake I see is people turning down td because they pick all the pacts that make them slower
frozen spear
DC2 is overhated for people pushing mid heats like 32 imo
on zeus attack it's free and at that experience level relieving 2 heat is a lot
shy plinth
Ye
frozen spear
on top of which DC being far less damaging at mid vs high heat
errant oasis
Wait
Whatâre the 5 books you need for a good Merciful End setup
Athena special, Ares attack, Merciful End, Impending Doom and ____
pseudo kernel
athena dash
errant oasis
oh cool I already have that, great
this sounds like itâs best with Demeter fists
when it comes to the fist aspects
am I?
left prism
Dem fist is the best ye
frozen spear
dem is overall the safest
shy plinth
Dem fists by far the most competitive
frozen spear
because dem is naturally the strongest without ME
shy plinth
Even though some of us love gilga
errant oasis
Even though some of us love gilga
thatâs me Iâm some of us
pseudo kernel
gilga 
errant oasis
maim is awesome
pseudo kernel
hmm yes i love taking 50% extra damage
pseudo kernel
dont get hit with like 30% less iframes
frozen spear
I only need one iframe
pseudo kernel
true
neat sonnet
ah yes, the fabled 4x attack-ME button combo
sweet cypress
DC2 is overhated for people pushing mid heats like 32 imo
it just FEELS so bad to play with
and summons are also super annoying
lone bridge
DC2 is overhated for people pushing mid heats like 32 imo
the problem is that it kinda just nerfs fiery
and there are way easier pacts at mid heat
lone bridge
i mean on eris id take dc at 40 or 45
left prism
yeah il still take it but i dont like it
lone bridge
cf is way worse than dc tho
shy plinth
Testify
half heart
Got a question about Poseidon Sword - what is the best cast or in general build for it? I know that you attack with sword as usual (special + 2x dash strikes), but how to incorporate in between good casting usage?
jaunty falcon
Athena is pretty good, nice AOE and a lot of base damage
half heart
And then Exit Wounds boon?
jaunty falcon
Yeah thatâs a good one
gaunt fiber
It's pretty good boss damage but overkill for room clearing
jaunty falcon
Most stuff from Artemis is pretty good
half heart
Artemis is the best boon seller anyway - fits in every build and aspect
I was checking this build https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide#aspect-of-poseidon-blade and are those good suggestion? For 32-heat run?
frozen spear
they're mostly fine
jaunty falcon
Yeah this is a great guide
lone bridge
yeah its a bunch of very solid builds
only website on the internet with good builds lol
frozen spear
man I used to read that guide every day pretty much
lone bridge
ive glanced at it a few times
havent thouroughly gone through it lol
i must say though, the gamers guides are rather incredible
because of them i am now a speedrunner and know how to well utilise dodge chance
and ofc plume is the best keepsake
jaunty falcon
Lmao I checked one of the gamer vids again and found out my comment from 10 months ago was the top one
lone bridge
nicee
ashen garnet
and ofc plume is the best keepsake
dodge and better Hermes odds kinda good 
solar meteor
I like to play frisbee with the blitz disc and load it up with Zeus, Demeter and Dionysus boons. Melts crowds and bosses!
frozen spear
hm what would the most viable cursed slash build be for heat
I'm thinking aphro attack
oh smair would be really helpful, either athena or zeus
lone bridge
probably retrash
frozen spear
zag sword best aspect?
lone bridge
retrash has a 52 heat cursed slash run
frozen spear
jesus
frozen spear
I'll try for 40 first lmao
lone bridge
https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021639506526249/9538691696260...
thats amazing
td0 gaming
devout quiver
lvl 8 heroic boiling point is funny to me idkw
really leaning in to that lifesteal
mossy zinc
Boiling Point is nice.
devout quiver
yeah, just in context with the build i mean
frozen spear
https://i.imgur.com/9bJBHB3.png what am I doing with my life
left prism
td2 gaming
frozen spear
this probably is gonna time out so I'm planning on going down to TD1
left prism
so hl3 instead? or hl2-hs
frozen spear
HS maybe
I might even try CP2 HLwhatever TD0 AP0
jesus heroes were actually so easy
of course 99% of my damage is dio call
why was this actually so free
I started laughing halfway through dad when I realized it was impossible to lose
frozen spear
mossy zinc
I like when Dionysus' Aid just pretty much keeps building itself back up.
frozen spear
this run also taught me that cruel thrust is really really strong
assuming you're standing striking
mossy zinc
It's nice for casual play like that, yeah.
quartz mantle
with weak it's like HL -0.5
errant oasis
https://i.imgur.com/9bJBHB3.png what am I doing with my life
wait what
I thought cursed slash was terrible
errant oasis
Also
Is ruthless reflex viable on anything other than gilga
I only just paid attention to the stats and 50% is a big number
for dodge chance specifically
errant oasis
even without patro?
frozen spear
EM4 isn't kind to SD for sure
errant oasis
but just dont do em4 at high heat until 50 heat
I learnt my lesson
pseudo kernel
even without patro?
most of the time no
errant oasis
I found my 40 heat run way easier than my 32
frozen spear
you can get away with DD EM4 40 with actual builds
errant oasis
you can get away with DD EM4 40 with actual builds
sounds reasonable, but my original reason for EM4 was because 4 extra heat sounded like a lot
errant oasis
and thus I thought it was optimal
errant oasis
it's also a lot of pain
Yeah but I use Chiron so bosses are supposed to be my thing right
pseudo kernel
RI4 is 8 heat so it must be optimal
frozen spear
RI4 is for gamers
shy plinth
RI4 is for masochists
frozen spear
yeah the amount of healing you get on LC4 SD probably way outpaces an average LC0-2 DD run
pseudo kernel
CF2 đ€ź
frozen spear
yeah that looks about right
shy plinth
It's an RI4 pact what do you want
frozen spear
I think BP1 is good though
shy plinth
You could probably sneak some number of HL and LC
But remember we have no dds and no per room healing so
frozen spear
eh losing CV is nothing serious
pseudo kernel
it doesnt sound like much but cv is pretty big
frozen spear
I'd also still run UC tbh
shy plinth
Oh yeah we have to run UC
frozen spear
it adds up over time
pseudo kernel
yea
errant oasis
I guess but if you donât have LC3+ on youâll still heal back adequately well right
frozen spear
yeah so I'd do BP1 UC then drop HS DC and JS
well DC is fine on zeus but I like RI4 hestia the best
and I would consider EM3 FO1
frozen spear
HS bad
frozen spear
https://youtu.be/TdGELR-Wdg0?t=1428
bruh I think I saw that in the google sheet
glanced over something that said "taking 150d with 152 health in styx was calculated"
pseudo kernel
didnt know people actually read those
frozen spear
I was trying to find updated max heat per aspect list
the one on that sheet is def wrong tho
pseudo kernel
i think its because retrash doesnt submit his runs to there anymore
lone bridge
also i think that one is only for unmodded? i think theres a different one for modded runs
i could be totally wrong though
pseudo kernel
yeah theres a separate sheet for modded runs
shy plinth
I run both of them so lmk if anything is jacked up
Nobody ever asks me anything anymore tho
Actually the modded leaderboard that I was adminning looks like it hasn't gotten new submissions in quite a while đŠ
I assume people just use SRC
frozen spear
yeah theres a separate sheet for modded runs
where
pseudo kernel
Eris is 57 by angel but she also doesn't submit to the sheet
lone bridge
does src have heat records on it?
hoary pasture
does src have heat records on it?
It has some, not alot of people play high heat letalone push heat records then submit them to src
The 50 heat tab is where they are btw
lone bridge
i thought the 50 heat tab just had 50 heat speedruns on it lol
what i generally do is just go to angels channel and ctrl f for aspect
works every time
except for arthur bc arthur is actually 57
lone bridge
very sad
hoary pasture
i thought the 50 heat tab just had 50 heat speedruns on it lol
Well it's meant to be like that
but 50 heat speedruns
lone bridge
true
hoary pasture
The heat option when you submit a run goes up to 64 so ig people just submitted everything
ashen garnet
What if we submitted every 50+ run which is not already on sr.com 
Couldn't be that bad for verifiers
ashen garnet
Is ruthless reflex viable on anything other than gilga
Also p nice to boost "flat damage soup" builds with fast tick rate
solemn pulsar
What if we submitted every 50+ run which is not already on sr.com <:thanthink:66...
Not for verifiers but it makes the leaderboard hella illegible
fluid badge
I was wondering for those into the high heats at what point hs sadly needs to come in (45+, 50+?). also, is it worth going round bashfully searching for sure footing if you put it on say 47-50 or is it time to let that go
i say "needs" but i guess i mean is preferable to say more RI or DC (for hestia? for example)
pseudo kernel
you start using HS at probably 40
could avoid it at 40 with different pacts but i feel like HS is usually the best one to use
and most of the time it isnt worth searching for sure footing
hoary pasture
i say "needs" but i guess i mean is preferable to say more RI or DC (for hestia?...
DC is awful on Hestia btw
Thing with HS is if you play well enough it doesnt exist
fluid badge
cool. i tried a few hestia runs at 50 with no luck so far and take athena at asphodel usually and hope it comes up... doesn't matter at the moment cuz i haven't made it to styx. best so far is 45. i think i'm going to try RI rather than em4 (not much experience)
yeah i leave dc at 0 when using hestia
pseudo kernel
yeah definitely do RI2 instead of EM4 on hestia
hoary pasture
EM4 is quite difficult on Hestia yea
Long fight usually
And the auto-aim doesnt always cooperate
So prepare to die a lot at the end
pseudo kernel
you really need a bunch of burst damage and hestia doesnt really have that
fluid badge
also i do have a hell mode save, but it doesn't have much unlocked. dunno if the point there makes a lot of difference with this aspect
hoary pasture
It's nice to have
It's better to have PL than an extra point of JS
And PL is way way better than CP2
It's up to you whether you want to grind the file more, there is a maxed one on src iirc and you can also just use the modpack to toggle it then uninstall the modpack
You can just do non hellmode
Which should be fine
fluid badge
cheers guys. i will keep to em3 for that aspect and put on ri2. i'm console peasent so will have to grind it : P have to say 48-50 def is a step up from 40. and 40 from 32. i 've only done some 40+ i think 3 aspects too. strugglr with 32 on some of them
fluid badge
but got all aspect at 32 so was trying for 40 on all weapons (maybe) and maybe try 50 on hestia like (hence the qn)... possibly another weapon either after give up on hestia for a bit or in addition if lucky
should prob get used to hd then by the looks of it, to be fair it hasn't been a thing that ended me so far at 50 ish iirc (other things did that) but that's with the rail
*hs
pseudo kernel
you get used to it with enough practice
fluid badge
and using up/recycling stubborn defiance is quicker too i guess
ashen garnet
hs is free heat if you are used to position well and "safe" with your aspect of choice and don't use a damage dash to go straight into dad's â±ïž
fluid badge
yeah, with my attempts so far i've been sheepishly trying to get sure footing as well (with ap2) but seems like it's prob better to get used the extra damage. also would hjave to put JS up to 2/3 which i will struggle and might be too mcuh with i think. js1 and cp1 or js2 cp0 is a real stretch atm and have ran out of time. i'm amazed at the high heat vids going in with js2/3 and em4 with td3
so instead of doing that (JS, CP), get used to hs
ii'm not a good player, and putting up enemies and enemy health under td3 (with ri2) i think might be tougher to deal with
ashen garnet
Sure Footing is mostly a clutch for Asphodel / EM2 Lernie / Styx / Dad, but on AP2 you definitely want boons which are more useful all around
ashen garnet
ii'm not a good player, and putting up enemies and enemy health under td3 (with ...
You'll get there, but max JS/CP/EM with TD3 require a very solid and fast execution all around and a build which can be reset-heavy at times
fluid badge
2bh with 40+ getting out of tarterus can sometimes be a problem just with js1/cp1m usually have 0 to 50 ish seconds left, occasionally have yp to 70-90 seconds but that's rare.
elysium/styx is where it runs out without enough quick first 2 biomes. hope for 2 sack and pat gives kiss of styx or athena too otherwise that is also a problem atm
fluid badge
i'm wondering how common being offered athena's last/deathless stand after room battle but forgot to use up stubborn defiance is. i'm guessing it's not that common...
lone bridge
im pretty sure the chance is the same
shy plinth
Not the likelihood of seeing the boons, the likelihood of making the mistake of not leaving a slot for a DD
It happens often enough that you are not the first person to wonder lol
fluid badge
It happens often enough that you are not the first person to wonder lol
yep that's it. i guess if there's no trap nearby or traps gone it's one thing, but if there's a bunch of lava around and you realise 0.1 seconds after touch boon symbol, not a great feel tbh, need to be a bit more careful maybe tbh
shy plinth
Could be worse
You could "reset your stubborn defiance" to get the DD after you've already popped SD
fluid badge
yeah i went back to the house of hades that way at least once i think
left prism
You could "reset your stubborn defiance" to get the DD after you've already popp...
Whos posting the Haelian clip
Nvm found it
fluid badge
takes a bit of getting used to the whole SD thing with td3 ticking away really... another thing that makes it harder to jump up to 50 heat without doing 40s etc
fluid badge
nice one : )
shy plinth
A classic
solemn pulsar
Egg
frozen spear
bruh
lone bridge
Not the likelihood of seeing the boons, the likelihood of making the mistake of ...
oh yeah that happens all the time lmao
this run from cgull where he forgets 2 times in a row lmao
fluid badge
the worst case i guess is with ap2 with no rolls. good luck getting the other one
lone bridge
oh ffs
i had a 50 run with eris and i had a good build, got pat, and then got the worst room ive had in my life
never ending waves of armored greatshields and armored those bow guys
are you serious
pseudo kernel
average 50 heat ely room
lone bridge
also it was c34 lmao
i had a choice between one armored room and another armored room
left prism
Just get any skip
mossy zinc
Chamber 34 moment.
frozen spear
@lone bridge rip what pact
lone bridge
trying the ri1 ap1 thing
frozen spear
gamer pact
lone bridge
yeah esp on eris
idk i think i prefer ri1 ap1 to ri2
but im not sure if i prefer it to em4
pseudo kernel
most of the time you use ri2 or no ri at all
frozen spear
with EM4 the play is trying to force arty clockets I imagine
lone bridge
yeah
the problem is that means no delta
but you get way better boons bc no ri or ap
frozen spear
force ddash?
pseudo kernel
no ap?
frozen spear
or even DC0
lone bridge
yeah no
lone bridge
i mean idk i think i have a decent chance with an em4 pact
frozen spear
I would never do that but yeah
lone bridge
like i had a delta run with no pat that died late p2
but i just dont want a run to go well and just die at the end
frozen spear
hestia time
lone bridge
i will do hestia tmrw
frozen spear
hestia is exclusively for gamers
pseudo kernel
eh it's not the worst idea imo
doing dc0 is pretty weird at 50 eris
lone bridge
yeah lmao
frozen spear
eh that's like max clockets highroll
gives more time for superdad I guess, I still would never drop DC on eris
frozen spear
lucky
pseudo kernel
actually cheating
lone bridge
also my build going in to aspho is gamer
i have zeus attack, jolted, athena special and tidal dash along with delta
this is what taking trials gets you ig
frozen spear
trials are so strong tbh
lone bridge
esp with uc
pseudo kernel
only in tart
frozen spear
and on faceroll aspects like eris
left prism
C12 is the natural home of naked witches normally
frozen spear
huh I had no idea
left prism
A trial is just gonna be worse
pseudo kernel
you have to be really lucky to get a good room
frozen spear
so skipping c12 is super valuable because it's naturally harder
lone bridge
c12s kinda suck bc they have bad rooms
left prism
Also sometimes you get numbskulls on the trials for whatever reason
Even tho they shouldnt appear
lone bridge
like you get weird witches spaced out across massive rooms
frozen spear
tbh I thought all rooms in biome were offered uniformly
lone bridge
normal rooms can take like 20s+ even when speedrunning
pseudo kernel
rta deez nuts
lone bridge
yoo i got an athena dd
pseudo kernel
free win
lone bridge
bruh i had to purge +1 dash
pseudo kernel
run dead reset
lone bridge
NO FDFS
WEGTUILYZESBHUJKLGFKZDHUJRG
L'[P'gdsrnbjlzsbegfnn'pdrfgdr
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ndfklgnd
i got potted
left prism
Welcome to the house of hades!
lone bridge
i hate this game
i hate that hs affects pots so much
i was hiding from beams when 3 shockwaves happened and i couldnt really avoid them then i accidently dashed into a pot
what was annoying is that i lost my athena dd in a random elysium room filled with armored greatshields
if i hadnt lost it there i wouldve won
pseudo kernel
So true
left prism
"that would have been a pb without the timeloss" energy
lone bridge
died to dad again, rip
halcyon onyx
Good thing you are basically immortal
solemn pulsar
and turn on what lol
idk what's gonna make it easier for you? HS is basically a gambling pact, since the hades fight can just be 1 pot -> run over
turning on something else will make the run harder, but more consistent, since 1 pot won't necessarily spell the end, unless it gets you combod into a HL5 spin attack for 110 total
lone bridge
i think my pact is as good as its going to get atm, im just playing the hades fight awfully. its nbd because i can just try again but its kind of annoying. ill probably make a savestate later to practice it
im like rock solid with the rest of the run and make it to hades like 1 in 3 times
bronze rapids
force Athena for sure footing
frozen spear
loving all the HS hate in this channel right now
sweet cypress
force Athena for sure footing
sure footing negates hades pots => best boon
lone bridge
50 heat with sure footing is just 49 heat smh
forest token
Bronze skin lvl 10 is just hl4
sweet cypress
ok but what about different league lvl 10
frozen spear
I watched a rama 60 vid and thought "hey now I'm a rama expert"
10 attempts into 50 and nope
mossy zinc
Idk you tell me, I did 51 third try with it.
Maybe it's because you're doing 50 instead of 51.
frozen spear
man I'm jealous of people who can use bow well
zag and rama should both be easy 50s but nope for me
mossy zinc
I sucked with bow early on tbh.
sweet cypress
zag and rama should both be easy 50s but nope for me
"easy 50s" ok.
frozen spear
"easy 50s" ok.
relatively speaking I mean
given that they're both top tier aspects that can also tank high heat pacts
mossy zinc
The DPS floor for Rama is high enough to get by, but the difference between getting Twin Shot or not getting Twin Shot is still huge.
sweet cypress
shackle đ
mossy zinc
That run had Twin Shot and Point-Blank Shot.
Shackle doesn't make up for not getting Twin Shot.
Shackle makes up for not getting an Attack boon.
sweet cypress
nocturne stag
Shackle makes up for not getting an Attack boon.
Consider: all 3
sweet cypress
đ€
dire steppe
Just run td1 with rama
devout quiver
td3 Rama, force yourself to learn the aspect or die 
vague patio
what does td1/3 mean?
left prism
Tight deadline 1-3
clever otter
tight deadline, all the acronyms are pinned in this channel
vague patio
thx
lone bridge
alr i think im going to try eris 50 again
hoary pasture
just kill everything
lone bridge
ill try
rough falcon
just guns a blazing man
lone bridge
lmao i just had the most blursed tart
found zeus first in c8 bc i took an erebus gate with poseidon, took a zeus poseidon trial, and now just got locked out of sea storm in endshop
also i took 28 damage from c1 to furies so thats very good
lone bridge
no pat lol
got locked out of sea storm for the third time this run
whats wrong with this game
im only on ap1 lmao
most unfortunate potting experience ive had yet
very sad
frozen spear
jesus that's unlucky
burnt hazel
just kill everything
Hollow knight discord-type advice here
Anyone got some advice for em4 in beo 50? Whenever I do a full charge is just misses him and goes past so I've been getting to charge up small ones and release quickly but then I find it hard to block again in time for the next attack
lone bridge
hi lumos
gaunt fiber
Dash strike > block first spin > bullrush the second
This advice solved it for me
Bullrush is super powerful
Careful about close range blocking since it's weird on certain attacks such as the spear throw
burnt hazel
Dash strike > block first spin > bullrush the second
Thanks
What happens if he does spear throw
Just block first, block rush and turn around dash into him?
burnt hazel
I'm struggling with this fight so much in practice I can't even beat phase 1
gaunt fiber
It's hard at first even for Beowulf. You don't have to go fast, going slow is generally good enough
And then you'll speed up as you practice
Remembering you have a shield is a big part of it
burnt hazel
Yeah
Going slow is scary because I feel like I won't be able to keep up with the timer when I get there
gaunt fiber
Yeah but it's good to play it "perfectly" while in practice
You don't have to go crazy fast as in any heat, it's what I meant
grand cobalt
go slow while you get used to the pattern. once you stop taking so much damage, you can work on speeding up
gaunt fiber
Also, you basically never want to go for a fully charged bullrush. It's very slow and likely to miss.
One important thing is cast management : loading all your casts is a mistake. You'll be better off rotating 2 > 1 and repeat
You can adjust depending on the number of bloodstones you have ofc
quartz mantle
I'm struggling with this fight so much in practice I can't even beat phase 1
Phase 1 kinda the hardest phase tbh
I would watch some vods of other Beo runs doing EM4 to get the pattern down
grand cobalt
the ads in phase 1 kill me more often than the boss himself
pseudo kernel
phase 1 not that bad just get good summons
frozen spear
best summon is skull crusher I assume
pseudo kernel
ye
sweet cypress
imagine if hades could summon the dire snakestone from barge
đ°
or if skull crusher kept the middle management wave
"Extremest measures"
phase 4 is just him healing with a permanent hitbox and if your damage output is too low you get softlocked
frozen spear
I'm pretty sure MM barge is easy actually
you just meg armor then wail on what's left
frozen spear
for high heat MM they shouldn't be that different
sweet cypress
I hate it so much
what i really hate is lernie jumps like let me land my hits bozo
frozen spear
non MM barge is extremely slow which is why modded removes it
but it would probably be advantageous on high heat
sweet cypress
huh
frozen spear
take that with a grain of salt because before I switched to modded my heat pb was only 40
so idk how 50 MM barge works
pseudo kernel
i pretty much always want power couple and witches over barge
even at 50
just because barge is slow
frozen spear
huh is meg MM barge still too slow
pseudo kernel
yeah
frozen spear
that sucks
sweet cypress
nice video title
pseudo kernel
thanks
burnt hazel
anyone got advice for dealing with stupid em4 summons
i kinda suffer with all of them
for 50 heat beo
hoary pasture
anyone got advice for dealing with stupid em4 summons
I usually just tend to push aggressively through p1.3 and time your Meg well to get you out of a pinch
With AP1 RI0 you can also have really good builds so sometimes you can just melt everything
burnt hazel
this is what i'm working with https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/995102996016926732/999579595911221298/unknown.png
in practice
idk how much you can get from that image
burnt hazel
i believe so
i have developed a foolproof plan
step 1: get skull crushers
step 2: profit
i can't lose!!
hoary pasture
Might take a while
hoary pasture
The most annoying things I find are bballs
If you use your Meg it breaks all bball projectiles
And remember that the point of the Meg is to hit Hades
Not the summons
If you practice enough you can be incredibly aggressive with Beowulf
Just have to bullrush through everything and be aware of when to dash-strike to start your next bullrush because that can get you hit easily
burnt hazel
ok i tried beo on just tart and aspho and i hate it ngl
is there any trick to hestia 50 ely?
i have been using js3 pl bp1 as an experiment but i can't tell if its better than bp2
hoary pasture
Hestia Ely on 50 is rough
Just have to play safe and have enough time to spare
What are you struggling with on Beo Tart and Aspho
burnt hazel
its not necessarily that its hard
more so boring
but also i find it super hard to just control myself so i'm always hitting enemies around like chasms
i constantly lock myself in place while they maneuver into unreachable spots
Is js2 cp0 or js1 cp1 better for 50 hestia
Former is nice for bosses but I'm scared of js2 ely a bit tbh
And if I'm unmodded unseeded how stupid of an idea is resting for aphro attack
bright smelt
js2 might have room clear TD problems
i don't run high heat tho so take this with a massive grain of salt
honestly both affects room clear
tho if you hit the breakpoints js1cp1 might be better
frozen spear
is there any trick to hestia 50 ely?
modded?
burnt hazel
Unmodded unseeded
frozen spear
yeah it's broken
you run around the big pack of BP2 ely warriors and spam hazards into them
burnt hazel
Broken as in really good or broken as in mirage shot
bright smelt
nothing other than hyper delivery will ever be broken as mirage
frozen spear
what's your 50 pact looking like?
hoary pasture
You can run AP1 for 50
frozen spear
yeah with RI2
frozen spear
unmodded AP2 sounds like an actual nightmare
imagine having to suicide like 90% of your runs in c1
hoary pasture
Yea on umodded hestia you just have to shackle and pray
Or run AP1
Because resetting for rarity on Aphro is garbage đż
Will take you 30 minutes to get 1 run
frozen spear
and arty attack bad
bright smelt
shackle hesty
frozen spear
butterfly hesty superior tbh
hoary pasture
If you wanna be a gamer run RI2 AP1 and start with Arty take her Dash then reset for Attack by miniboss
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/931680030856200232/860890017613873193.webp
frozen spear
but ddash comfy
frozen spear
ddash always comfy tbh
frozen spear
I will literally always take Divine Dash over pretty much everything
bright smelt
burnt hazel
what's your 50 pact looking like?
em3 cf1 ap2 ri2 js1 cp1 pl
i think thats all the non-obvious ones
i'll grab a screenshot when i can
burnt hazel
You can run AP1 for 50
what pact
frozen spear
JS3 CF2
burnt hazel
ewwwwwwww
frozen spear
then you get to enjoy functional builds, just hope for hazard
I would highly recommend this pact over JS1 CF1
burnt hazel
alr
hoary pasture
I dont think CF1 does much for Hestia
You need very few boons
They just have to be good ones
AP1 allows you to be picky
burnt hazel
what about pl cp1
hoary pasture
what about pl cp1
Hell mode is always good for 50 heat on weapons that cant handle DC
Itâs always a free point
burnt hazel
Well technically not free
hoary pasture
If your weapon can handle DC you can run AP1 EM4 CP0 which is nice on things like Rama maybe Eris but besides that you also want Hell mode there
burnt hazel
But yha definitely easier than 99% of other pacts
hoary pasture
Yea it can screw you sometimes but itâs better than the other options you have
burnt hazel
Ah yes easier than 99% of 64 heat
Math
Makes sense though I'll download one
What build to go for
Ahpro attack pos dash if i can then dd fish in aspho?
hoary pasture
Ideally you want Aphro attack yea but high rarity Dem or Athena are good, or if you get a nice Chaos or something you can go for Arty, just avoid Poseidon and Flat damage, Poseidon dash is nice but itâs gonna need poms and itâs riskier overall, Athena or Artemis are good alternatives
If you get a good special hammer you might also want a special boon, Artemis is always good, but you can take any % increase you come across
burnt hazel
What's a good end game build look like
Lv3-4 aphro attack, athena dash, maybe richochet / hazard, ideally a dd and some special buff?
quartz mantle
I dont think CF1 does much for Hestia
Hey now
hoary pasture
hi
quartz mantle
Think of all the health you could buy
solemn pulsar
Think of all the health you could buy
think of all the hits you could not take 
neat sonnet
just dodge better
solemn pulsar
just dodge better<:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
https://youtu.be/rLZ2_OlLzK8?t=1446
did someone say dodge
lone bridge
i pretty much always want power couple and witches over barge
nah power couple kinda dangerous
witches is awesome though
vague patio
how did that work? plume dodge + zag fists, how high did it go?
neat sonnet
rocking 99.8% dodge after call use