playing guan yu well requires the ability to unequip it and use hades spear instead
#h1-high-heat-strategies
upper juniper
I built what I would normally build for electric super soaker on lucifer onto guan-yu and it worked out fine
mossy zinc
Guan Yu guide: #h1-discussion message
quartz mantle
It’s very nice for high heat when the individual rooms become more dangerous than the boss fights
mossy zinc
idk i always get as much health as possible
Not a bad strategy tbh.
wary linden
lucifer was the only aspect i havent beat the game with i think
i did make a dnd character inspired by it tho so i think that counts
cursive portal
Okay im actually mad
frozen spear
uh oh
wary linden
angel mad
quartz mantle
Angy angel
mossy zinc
Mad gal.
cursive portal
Mad gal, even
lone bridge
mad lag, that was probably the issue
upper juniper
I just grabbed my electric water gun and slammed it onto guan yu- hit quick charge and big spin and it was very fun
wary linden
hades >>>
oh yeah hades spear is great
i love that one
spear is really fun i like spam clicking
frozen spear
uh
upper juniper
Guan-yu is the only spear I can use any more
quartz mantle
I like Guan Yu and Guan Yu alternatives (zag and hades spear)
upper juniper
just like arthur on swords tbh
cursive portal
Im so mad infact im gonna do 64 attempts again
left prism
I like Guan Yu and Guan Yu alternatives (zag and hades spear)
whats wrong with banana spear
shy plinth
Im so mad infact im gonna do 64 attempts again
What could go wrong
upper juniper
Im so mad infact im gonna do 64 attempts again
Use zag rail +flurry fire+ zeus and artemis boons, it’s really 4000 iq
quartz mantle
whats wrong with banana spear
Not a guan yu alternative
left prism
ah 
lone bridge
best sword: zag. best spear: zag. best shield: chaos. best bow: chiron. best fists: gilgamesh. best rail: zag. theres your best aspects for each weapon guide, come back again next week for your regularly scheduled program
shy plinth
You had me except for chiron
quartz mantle
Those sure are opinions
wary linden
i like the special bow
mossy zinc
Angry. Ang. Doing 64 Heat. Dying on 64 Heat. Losing. L. Angry. Losing. Ang. L. El. Ang. El. Angel.
wary linden
im bad at aiming so beeg is better
mossy zinc
I cracked the code!
lone bridge
You had me except for chiron
hm... is chiron bow or zag bow better? i like the crits, but the auto aim and the circle are pretty cool
wary linden
shared suffering is also fun
dude i dont even know how to think in terms of builds
what is a "build" i just click the best looking boon
upper juniper
what is a "build" i just click the best looking boon
Perfect
lone bridge
a build is when you take some bricks and mortar and go right at it
left prism
if high dmg base = slap some % boon (most of the time artemis or aphro) if the base dmg is weak but fast (ie fists/rail) slap another dmg source
lightning strike/doom/hangover
frozen spear
what if base damage is weak but slow
lone bridge
switch aspects
frozen spear
wait that's chaos shield wtf
upper juniper
wait that's chaos shield wtf
Yup
left prism
what if base damage is weak but slow
play smoldering air/dash only
frozen spear
aspect of smair lol
lone bridge
thatd be pog
lone bridge
built in smair?
cursive portal
are you ever 9:13 into ch33 on 63 heat
then you get saviour bruiser shields and die
with patty,than and fountain open
frozen spear
oh yeah happens all the time
cursive portal
idk game bad
cursive portal
dude
Ive had
lemme check
9 runs to ely?
4 got to 32+
2 to heroes
never beat em
shy plinth
hm... is chiron bow or zag bow better? i like the crits, but the auto aim and th...
Big zag
nocturne stag
Chiron
cursive portal
Ch*ron
lyric seal
frozen spear
https://i.imgur.com/fz7r1VR.png me when I enter a room and twenty savior cloner FO2 HL5 numbskulls spawn
forest token
And max jury summons
lone bridge
https://i.imgur.com/fz7r1VR.png me when I enter a room and twenty savior cloner ...
oh god dont even remind me
smoky rapids
high heat strat is just bronze skin, bronze skin is crazy good
smoky rapids
only lvl 10?
frozen spear
*20
bronze rapids
one times I had a JS3 with Chaos +enemies boon and pretty sure my switch lagged
neat sonnet
that’s impressive honestly
misty forum
So is there a trick to 32 and up? What weapon should I be using for this? Is it just an insane skill level to make it past it or what? Like I really don't get it. If I can make it past the 2nd boss it's a win. At 24 I can coast through and never die the entire time. I'm lucky at 32 if I can make it to the first boss with our dying at least once
frozen spear
So is there a trick to 32 and up? What weapon should I be using for this? Is it ...
easiest 32 is probably eris
zeus attack poseidon dash
neat sonnet
splash dash op :P
swift iron
Hey I was wondering if it’s worth it to use || extreme measures 4 || on a 20 heat run. I’ve just beat it for the first time rn and it was super tough, so is the 4 extra heat worth?
I haven’t tried it with other modifiers so I can’t imagine something like +40% speed to that fight, which I usually use since it’s 6 easy heat for me
raw cloud
not really tbh
forest token
unless you train yourself on em4 multiple times and can beat it consistently then go for it, but if you're just trying to finish bounties or seeing how high you can go on heat right now, em4 is not worth it
raw cloud
yeahh that
swift iron
unless you train yourself on em4 multiple times and can beat it consistently the...
Thx
forest token
once you learn how em4 works and can beat it consistently then it's an easy +4 heat but for most people, they dont try it
swift iron
It was a nice reward for my self but it was the first time I’ve used 3 death defiances in the entire game (this is a completely new run)
forest token
even for 32 heat runs, people dont take em4 because of how deadly it is
swift iron
I was so low on hop lol
swift iron
even for 32 heat runs, people dont take em4 because of how deadly it is
Alright thanks for the advice
I’ve got another one though
Is benefits package worth it? Never used it too much, tried it on for a few times, and was fine. Does it get worse?
forest token
is that the one where random enemies have modifiers?
swift iron
Yeah, the ones with armor
upper juniper
It’s free heat
swift iron
But even a lot of them didn’t get the modifiers
swift iron
It’s free heat
Nice
forest token
i think +1 is safe, +2 can suck a lot
if you're also using jury summons with that, then i'd only do +1
swift iron
Actually it’s +2 and then +3 so I was really curious
swift iron
I use fists of Demeter since it’s fun
swift iron
Though beowulf has definitely proven to be strong
forest token
it is very strong lol
swift iron
I just think it’s too slow for my liking
forest token
have you tried mirage shot with it?
swift iron
But in terms of just getting high heat I’d use Beowulf
swift iron
Is mirage shot a duo?
forest token
yeah
left prism
Artemis-poseidon yeah
forest token
artemis poseidon duo
swift iron
What does it do?
left prism
Makes your cast throu another cast with 30% dmg
forest token
for beowulf, +100% damage on the cast lol
left prism
Except on beo that doesnt apply
swift iron
OH MY GOD
left prism
Is just double dmg 
forest token
beowulf got bethesda'd
forest token
slap poseidon cast on it, artemis whatever (preferably attack) and get mirage
swift iron
Yeah I love splash damage
forest token
change the mirror so +10% chance of getting duos and legendaries
swift iron
Yeah I’ve started to do that now
forest token
also considering it's a shield aspect it is a pretty safe aspect considering you receive +10% damage for using it
left prism
You never notice the +10% anyways
swift iron
Wait but does the 10% extra damage taken on Beowulf a dealbreaker on high heat?
Oh ok
forest token
not really
swift iron
Alright well thanks for all the advice
forest token
you dish out so much more damage in return that it's worth the trade off
swift iron
Nice
forest token
you can insta-phase dad if everything goes right
swift iron
I honestly miss the bug where you could just hug dad when he decides to turn the arena into a microwave
swift iron
Oh lol
forest token
with em4 he kinda sends out pulses whenever he does that
swift iron
Also I know this isn’t relating to the channel but || the Cerberus aid call was such a huge surprise ||
I loved it
Alright well now I’ve gotta go
Nice chat 
forest token
cya have fun with beo lol
lone bridge
this a good eris 50 pact?
ap2 kinda scares me lol
is em4 a good alternative to ap2?
frozen spear
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087924717486140/990818625399160873/u...
think I did pretty much this
eris is boon and pom hungry
if AP2 is too miserable then CF2 RI1 AP1 is your best bet
RI2 bad because family favorite op on eris
frozen spear
bruh
cursive portal
if AP2 is too miserable then CF2 RI1 AP1 is your best bet
No
cursive portal
this a good eris 50 pact?
Yes, maybe cf2 js2 but otherwise its good
hoary pasture
AP1 RI1 is like getting the worst of everything
neat sonnet
just learn how to win with common off-boons smh
but yeah after getting as far as i did with that ap1 40 i realize how much worse it is than finding two other heat
hoary pasture
I'd just rather AP2 or RI2 most of the time
neat sonnet
as opposed to both at 1? makes sense
frozen spear
idk I don't mind AP1 usually
hoary pasture
as opposed to both at 1? makes sense
Yea
mossy zinc
even for 32 heat runs, people dont take em4 because of how deadly it is
There's some very easy 32 Heat EM4 pacts, especially with certain weapon aspects.
mossy zinc
So is there a trick to 32 and up? What weapon should I be using for this? Is it ...
My 32 Heat guide: #h1-high-heat-strategies message
misty forum
Thanks
lone bridge
yeah after trying em4 i remember why its bad
i think ill do ap2
that first phase is so ridiculous
pseudo kernel
just get clockets
lone bridge
yeah but delta :(
lone bridge
and besides as long as i get tidal dash i think ill do fine
lone bridge
my 45 wasnt exactly crazy highroll for ap2 aside from the lvl 4 epic jolted
pseudo kernel
ap2 is fine ig
though if you want lightning strike i feel like you need jolted or you will time out
cursive portal
D r u n k e n
lone bridge
but i dont wanna :(
cursive portal
misty forum
So u guys are doing 32+ in sub 5 min each round?
frozen spear
TD2 meta
misty forum
I don't even remotely know how that's possible in the 3rd section.
frozen spear
eh you get used to it
hoary pasture
You have to save up time
frozen spear
yeah asphodel is like two encounters lol
hoary pasture
If you clear Tartarus in 5 flat you are not in a good spot
frozen spear
if you're leaving asphodel around 10min it won't be fun
misty forum
I have more issue clearing the first round in 5 min than Tartarus
Even with the rail
frozen spear
homie tartarus is the first round
pseudo kernel
Well time gets added from the previous biomes
So if you have like 3 mins left then in the next biome you will have 8 mins
frozen spear
TD4 where you don't get carry over time would be interesting tbh
wonder how much heat that would be worth
pseudo kernel
Just skip ely
shy plinth
I don't even remotely know how that's possible in the 3rd section.
Have you watched videos?
frozen spear
yeah it kinda comes naturally after a bit
clearing elysium at a decent pace that is
mossy zinc
if you're leaving asphodel around 10min it won't be fun
If you're leaving Asphodel around 10 minutes, you're not finishing the run in sub 10.
shy plinth
That is true
mossy zinc
Just check.
frozen spear
where leaderboard
mossy zinc
pseudo kernel
Mine is 14th git gud
frozen spear
cracked
lone bridge
So u guys are doing 32+ in sub 5 min each round?
yeah, generally you leave tartarus at like 3-4 minutes and then finish asphodel at like 5-7 minutes at high heat
depending on a lot of things, including skill level
but literally asphodel is so short that if it takes you 5 minutes you are in for a lot of pain
misty forum
Does achilles boyfriend not show up on higher heats? I'm on my 8th 32 run so far and haven't seen him one time.
pseudo kernel
he does
misty forum
Hmm ok. Weird
pseudo kernel
when you need him most he disappears
misty forum
Well that time I managed to make it to the 3rd boss and ran out of time. Not sure how much faster I can move
O well. Off to beat my head against the wall some more
honest kernel
some runs patroclus doesn’t appear depending on what doors you take
misty forum
9 times in a row. O well. I'll mess with it some more tomorrow
shy plinth
Did you watch vods?
Super duper recommended, really helped me understand what I could've been doing
ashen garnet
Just a c34 Pat away
bronze rapids
nah nothing can save my skill issues against FO2 dad
hoary pasture
Have you seen my dad fights
bronze rapids
Haven't watched vods in like months lol
bronze rapids
base cast Hera
neat sonnet
upper juniper
pure lily
forest token
rng moment
dapper schooner
pretty small
quartz mantle
i think i got time cuts like that when i was starting out
That’s not how that works lmao
quartz mantle
If 2 and a half minutes of time save are so easy then why isn’t the unseeded world record sub 3 minutes
The jump from 14:00-10:00 is not the same as 10:00-6:00
Hell it’s not even the same as 10:00-8:00
hoary pasture
Just like how heat scales exponentially and jumps become smaller and smaller, as small as 1 heat, cutting time when you're going for speed also becomes smaller, so if your pb is 5:50 and you want to go to 5:00 you have a LOT of work to do
And it's much harder than going from like 8:00 to 6:30
And this is 50 heat afterall
quartz mantle
Yea
hoary pasture
You can be so much ahead and 1 bad room can put you behind by a lot
Besides the fact that you need multiple things to go right
Like Rama wants hammers
quartz mantle
Also this just like applies to all speedrunning in general not just Hades
Cause you typically save a ton of time off the start because you follow the route properly or you don’t make major mistakes
But once you do that stuff consistently the time save becomes a lot harder as you need to be a lot cleaner overall to start saving more time
ebon orbit
i thought that guy was just trolling
Tbh I still think that
jaunty falcon
Also the first sub 10 took a lot of grinding by a very skilled player
That run was also a shock when it came out
mossy zinc
Build meta is way more developed, tactics for manipulating waves are known, there's Meg setups for everything, and people have had a lot more time to practice. A lot of that helps newer players to quickly get IGTs or beat Heats that would have been WR a couple years ago.
But it also means the potential effect of any new discoveries and optimizations is a lot smaller.
lone bridge
That’s not how that works lmao
the joke here is that i got time cuts from like 40 minutes to 37minutes when i was starting out. which means absolutely nothing. a jump from 9:5x to 7:3x is completely ridiculous, quite obviously
quartz mantle
Bold of you to assume I know the tone you implied
lone bridge
the joke here is that i got time cuts from like 40 minutes to 37minutes when i w...
not even ridiculous, its completely absurd
dapper schooner
ebon orbit
the joke here is that i got time cuts from like 40 minutes to 37minutes when i w...
It's ok I never doubted you for a second. Which is odd since I don't know you, and I will probably hurt myself being so trusting one day, but that's a conversation for another day.
jaunty falcon
Waiting for the 2m30 time cut in seeded anyheat world records 👍
lone bridge
beating the game in 18s? easy af
frozen spear
just get the chaos boons
lone bridge
just get chaos every room smh
upper juniper
I always get heroic chaos boons 😎
lone bridge
dracons are the worst enemy in this game
tied for first place with armored greatshields
frozen spear
all the homies hate dracons
neat sonnet
ok true dracons will chip you in the most awful way but if you get stunned you're just kinda dead
frozen spear
idk dracons hitting for 28 is so messed up
shy plinth
I'm not like... pro-dracon
Please do not construe my message in that way lol
But "Worst enemy in the game" nah
frozen spear
I think the way they pop up without a spawn animation is super messed up
shy plinth
Sure
shy plinth
I'd rather face a room of dracons than chamber 34 naked brightswords or whatever
Do agree that armored greatshields are a nightmare tho
Stupid clank clank clank
jaunty falcon
Speeder wave makers 🗿
frozen spear
And if you sneeze on them they die
true but one bad move and they clap you
shy plinth
Hell tartarus speeder witches are not particularly pleasant
hoary pasture
Wavemakers are worse yea
mossy zinc
Waiting for the 2m30 time cut in seeded anyheat world records 👍
There was a post in #hades-feedback in Early Access that got a whole lot of upvotes asking that if you charge Flying Cutter for long enough, Zagreus should just fly to the surface. That would definitely help with that.
hoary pasture
mossy zinc
I wonder who wrote that feedback.
hoary pasture
But I think asphodel has too much lava
no needs more lava
especially in this room:
jaunty falcon
I wonder who wrote that feedback.
Probably croven
pseudo kernel
croment
mossy zinc
Nay. 'Twas me.
frozen spear
stress free SD pops are the only good thing about asphodel
mossy zinc
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/991692465847423057/343...
I see no lava in this image.
frozen spear
especially SD popping in free rooms
lone bridge
They are easy to avoid
say that when theres like 20 of them
shy plinth
SD pops in asphodel were stress free until I reset my SD after a room and immediately died
Turns out you only get one of those
frozen spear
lol
lone bridge
felt that one
shy plinth
So now I stress about making sure I actually have a defiance
frozen spear
do you ever die and think wait where did my SD go
sometimes I just forget popping it earlier in the room
mossy zinc
Nyaanyaa Mewmew — 07/11/2020
RL footage of Zagreus using the Flying Cutter on the surface in V1.0. https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51E5ENVA9ZL._SX319_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
The future we could have had.
lone bridge
speedrunners would be resetting for flying cutter in tart
pseudo kernel
speedrunners would be resetting for flying cutter in tart
theres this thing called modded
frozen spear
modded is a hoax
lone bridge
i meant in unmodded stupid
pseudo kernel
😱😱😱
mossy zinc
Unmodded stupid is a category?
lone bridge
yes
pseudo kernel
i dont need a cheat engine to win
bronze rapids
Do agree that armored greatshields are a nightmare tho
The fact that they block eggsplosions is a scam
pseudo kernel
modded makes the game too easy
frozen spear
actually speedrun modpack 1.2.0 removes the +50% built in crit chance
bronze rapids
I mean it turns superhigh heat from purgatory to pain so ig it's an improvement
frozen spear
so now you just have the forced 80% godmode
frozen spear
so true
lone bridge
I'm the smartest one of all though, not running the game at all
damn 😔
bronze rapids
how much do mod tho
frozen spear
mod lets you skip elysium
lone bridge
modded 50 heat is like 32 heat unmodded
32 heat? more like 0 heat because modded is cheating
frozen spear
just press companion + call + interact + reload as you leave post asphodel room
you go straight to styx
lone bridge
also fun fact for anyone who doesnt play modded: the modpack forces all story rooms, all fountains, chaos gates as soon as possible, chaos gates in every well, guaranteed hyper delivery, and exclusive access from the start
its pretty nice
pseudo kernel
dont forget the -20% hp on all enemies
frozen spear
1.2.0 also forces sweet nectar which is a good change imo
lone bridge
dont forget the -20% hp on all enemies
its -25% actually
pseudo kernel
damn
frozen spear
CP-1 moment
lone bridge
cp-1.66
but remember: never go past extreme measures +2
i made that mistake once, ive regretted it ever since
frozen spear
DAE em3 is easier??1?1?11?
lone bridge
hm?
shy plinth
Yes I actually do
Having bold takes today
Too much lava magma in Asphodel and EM3 might be easier
Maybe I'll even get crazy and say that Chiron is slow
frozen spear
hm?
r/hades loves bringing up "hot take EM3 is easier than non EM" every time EM3 is mentioned
lone bridge
i used to think it made it harder but not by that much
pseudo kernel
r/hades loves bringing up "hot take EM3 is easier than non EM" every time EM3 is...
theseus doesnt have his shield how is it harder?????????????????????????????
lone bridge
i hadnt gotten sense knocked into my head with a 70 damage asterius swing
frozen spear
theseus doesnt have his shield how is it harder?????????????????????????????
I have not learned a single lesson from ely greatshields
frozen spear
theseus shield op, EM3 good because no shield
frozen spear
my favorite is when you're 100% close enough to them
and they spam the projectile attack anyways
lone bridge
also another reason dracons suck: they dont spawn in one group
frozen spear
facts
lone bridge
youll go into a room, wonder where all the enemies are, and then you find the group of dracons and kill them
and a new wave doesnt spawn\
because theres another group of dracons on the opposite side of the room
pseudo kernel
lone bridge
terrible
frozen spear
aspho has that issue all the time
like when there are two bombers on one of those tiny side islands
lone bridge
i swear it only happens with dracons though
also can we talk about those wavemakers?
you poke them once and they go flying
like across the room
its so annoying
frozen spear
reminds me of how brightswords sometimes have seizures when you poke them
what's up with that
frozen spear
but yeah wavemakers waste so much time with jumping
lone bridge
srsly tho those pot enemies
frozen spear
colorblind mode helps with them thankfully
lone bridge
like you think you killed them all but theres another actually hiding in a random corner of the room
lone bridge
colorblind mode helps with them thankfully
oh maybe i should turn that on lol
what does it do?
frozen spear
adds colored outline to entities
pseudo kernel
oh maybe i should turn that on lol
reduces the amount of enemies that spawn
oh wrong message
whatever
lone bridge
reduces the amount of enemies that spawn
sounds great
frozen spear
wdym it also does that
lone bridge
ok ill turn that on in tart lol
bronze rapids
youll go into a room, wonder where all the enemies are, and then you find the gr...
this also happens when you take the Chaos curse that hides the room reward, and go into a trial
"why are there no enemies"
sees 2 boons
opaque frigate
Is there any resource for specific seeds for builds?
mossy zinc
Speedrun modpack lets you pick a seed among other things.
dapper schooner
speedrun modpack lets you pick 10 of any boon you want per biome and then teleports you to the boss instantly
raw cloud
speedrun modpack lets you have a pet Cerberus that does all the fighting for you
bronze rapids
are you sure you're not talking about transistor
solemn pulsar
Speedrun modpack lets you play as sans from undertale
bronze rapids
ddDa
gaunt fiber
summer glen
I'm trying to beat 50 heat with Eris Rail for the first time. What heat settings do you recommend? I've tried dozens of combinations but I've lost probably 50 times at this point. I always start with Zeus keepsake and Meg Summon, and pretty much reset whenever the first Zeus boon doesn't have Lightning Strike.
hoary pasture
I'm trying to beat 50 heat with Eris Rail for the first time. What heat settings...
What is your heat pb
jaunty falcon
Hell mode or non hell mode?
summer glen
non hell mode, I did heat 32 and wanted to see if I could do heat 50 since that seems to be the heat value people talk about as being "high heat"
hoary pasture
Indeed
summer glen
I've made it to Hades a few times, I don't see the point in doing 40 then 45 when I can just practice at 50 instead
jaunty falcon
Ok, I’d do HL5 LC4 CF2 JS3 CP1 EM3 MM BP2 UC DC2 RI0 HS AP2 TD3
I think that’s 50
Hmm what am I missing
summer glen
forced overtime
hoary pasture
Pretty standard pact
jaunty falcon
Could also start drunken strike
It’s better than lightning strike if you can’t reliably get jolted
hoary pasture
Zeus kinda wants a bit of something else to do a lot of the damage especially the bosses
summer glen
with approval process 2 do you just restart until you get lightning strike or drunken strike?
jaunty falcon
I would yeah
hoary pasture
I cleared once with a big special, once with tidal dash, once with Zeus call
Yea if you get no Attack Eris is just gonna be pure sadness
The unmodded AP2 life
🗿
jaunty falcon
I’ve timed out to heroes with no attack eris
summer glen
yeah i've died that way too
summer glen
does sea storm proc on bosses with poseidon attack?
jaunty falcon
Yes
summer glen
wow
jaunty falcon
I wouldn’t reset for hammers, but delta is by far the best one
summer glen
Really? what do you think of rocket? I feel like normally its one of the best but damage control makes it weird
hoary pasture
Delta is pretty safe and comfy
lone bridge
rocket is great for damage
jaunty falcon
Really? what do you think of rocket? I feel like normally its one of the best bu...
Pretty much agree with this
lone bridge
delta is great bc you get i frames on your dash strikes
hoary pasture
DC is the main issue with the Rocket yea
but still you have a shot at Clockets
So definitely keep rocket runs imo
And cluster runs
lone bridge
yeah clockets is better than delta any day of the week
summer glen
I have a question about controls. I see people spamming dash attacks since they increase overall fire rate but to perform them are they just mashing attack and dash simultaneously and constantly to get them out at often as possible? Or are they mashing attack with the tip of their thumb (PS4 controller square button) and then double pressing dash (X button) with the joint of their thumb when the dash is off cooldown?
hoary pasture
I have a question about controls. I see people spamming dash attacks since they ...
Well I can tell you a lot of people prefer holding the attack as opposed to mashing it, and the latter is what I usually do, you hold your attack and then dash twice, if you're in a tight spot or are just dealing with smaller enemies then I usually dont hold the attack either, just a small burst to let you like 3-4 bullets, however many I need as I dash aswell
But also
I have Dash on a shoulder button
Which I find way comfier
summer glen
My issue I keep running into is that by spamming dash attacks I forgo the i-frame of the dash and I'm having a hard time differentiating in the moment whether to do the double dash attack to keep up damage and hope that the positioning causes me to avoid the attack versus using two dashes without dash attack to retain the i frames.
hoary pasture
Yea Eris is not the safest of options for 50 heat, it's around the point where it gets tricky and you start having to play on point because a lot of the time you're just in melee range, this is also why Delta was mentioned earlier, because with Delta you keep the dash strike iframes which is huge, so you can keep holding the button forever
And this goes alongside the fact that with this 50 heat pact you basically have 1 or 2 things going for you but aside from that your build is gonna be mostly barebones
Which is why it's good to practice with something like 45 heat first and making sure you're comfortable there
45 heat is good build but the enemies and bosses are the same as 50 heat ones
pseudo kernel
non hell mode, I did heat 32 and wanted to see if I could do heat 50 since that ...
i would do 40 or 45 heat unless you dont want to have a good time and go straight to 50
hoary pasture
If you think you're ready for 50 heat then 45 heat should take you 1 try
bronze rapids
Is 45 like, 50 with AP0
bronze rapids
ye
hoary pasture
Having hell mode also helps a bit
summer glen
What keepsakes for Eris do you use? I've been using Zeus->Athena->Acorn->Acorn
hoary pasture
That sounds okay
lone bridge
eris 45 is just eris 50 but ap0 lol
frozen spear
@summer glen should do modded tbh
summer glen
I tried to install the mods but they didn't work and the advice from the speedrunning discord didn't help
summer glen
I don't really see why people like splash dash on rail. If you shoot your mortar at an enemy and then dash into the circle for the buff, you knock the enemy out of the mortar.
hoary pasture
You can get better at it with practice
And your Special isnt massive damage anyway with DC2 and no hammers buffing it like Cluster, so you pretty much want to keep buff uptime through the Special but your damage is through lightning and dash, and it's not even close
summer glen
If that's the case then wouldn't keepsakes zeus->poseidon be better then?
jaunty falcon
Yes
hoary pasture
I mean that's what was initially mentioned
frozen spear
indeed
hoary pasture
So yea that's really good
frozen spear
splash dash with eris buff good
without it needs all the poseidon fixins to do good damage which is unreliable on AP2
summer glen
is 50 heat something people can reliably win like 80%+ of the time or is it something that you just reset until you get the right boon and room rng until you get close to what you want?
jaunty falcon
Modded, probably
Unmodded, there are some people who can but not many
Tailesque streaked 10 in a row unmodded 50s iirc
hoary pasture
The more skilled you are the more rng bs you can deal with
jaunty falcon
Bablo beat 40 heat on all 24 aspects in a row, twice
frozen spear
is 50 heat something people can reliably win like 80%+ of the time or is it some...
if top is 32 you're gonna be restarting for rng
lone bridge
yeah pretty much
i really recommend doing 40 then 45 then 50
bc 32 to 50 is a bit ridiculous
but if you really think you can do it, go right ahead
astral mica
lone bridge
ah bc you can do ri2?
jaunty falcon
Unmodded I’d do shackle start
frozen spear
actually idk if you can non hell mode CP1 EM3 AP1 RI2
lone bridge
?
jaunty falcon
Why not just ap2 ri2
frozen spear
since no PL
jaunty falcon
Then you can js2 cp0
hoary pasture
you cant
frozen spear
AP2 bad >:(
hoary pasture
If you want AP1 CP1 you need hellmode
lone bridge
i mean pl isnt bad
hoary pasture
CP2 is pretty awful on Hestia
frozen spear
I remember missing endless breakpoints trying 54
hoary pasture
54 can be an issue yea
lone bridge
ez
frozen spear
tbh that's pretty easy to get
lone bridge
pull a the gamer and use rare crop as part of your build
frozen spear
esp with modpack 1.2.0
frozen spear
since that quick resets to skelly
hoary pasture
I'm kind of a gamer
lone bridge
am i wrong to imagine hestia cant go past 60?
gaunt fiber
122 
lone bridge
bc you need either ri4 or dc
frozen spear
RI4 gaming
hoary pasture
Just pain in the ass
lone bridge
if youre a god
frozen spear
gilgy 64 moment
jaunty falcon
But the meta ones can
lone bridge
arthur 64 sounds humanly impossible
jaunty falcon
Nobody wants to do them tho
lone bridge
i cant imagine dc on hestia
jaunty falcon
Start tidal dash
frozen spear
there was that guy on reddit with 32 DC2 that said they blasted enemies no reload upon entering a room
new meta tbh
lone bridge
32 dc2... on hestia???
jaunty falcon
New leta
frozen spear
yeah
lone bridge
wtf
frozen spear
"no big deal I just shot down the shields first"
lone bridge
thats awful
hoary pasture
If you play it like bad eris it's just whatever
jaunty falcon
Just tripled enemy hp 👍
lone bridge
bad eris is really bad though
lone bridge
bad eris loses out on 75% global damage lmfao
left prism
new meta tbh
Any td?
frozen spear
lol yeah no way it was TD3
frozen spear
even RI1 is better
frozen spear
although tbh it sounds kinda hilarious to chaos +% attack and use zeus attack hestia
lone bridge
oh god
jaunty falcon
62 heat hestia > DC2 2 heat hestia
frozen spear
facts
lone bridge
drunken strike feels so sad on eris
frozen spear
does that mean a particular r/hades user is the best heat player in the game
lone bridge
you dont just like pop all the dc shields in a room in like half a second
frozen spear
drunken strike feels so sad on eris
bro same it sucks
or it doesn't suck it just feels like it sucks
and if you aren't eris buffed you lose all your dps unlike zeus attack
lone bridge
every time i do a 50 run with ap2 im so sad and i want to learn em4 and then i try a low heat em4 run and then get clapped every time
i wish i could do ap1 and em3.5
hoary pasture
EM4 feels rewarding
And Eris can kick its ass so yknow
Just do EM4 AP1
Get clockets
a nice epic rd
and something
jaunty falcon
And epic jolted
lone bridge
em4 ap1 and what, cf0?
jaunty falcon
Become a camel
frozen spear
CF0 gaming on eris
lone bridge
thatd be so funny
hoary pasture
You can afford CF0 if you really wanted to
lone bridge
although it would be more responsible to do dc0 or smth to keep fiery on rocket if i wanted to start with that
but cf0 50 heat sounds so funny
how do you make a savestate?
frozen spear
@jaunty falcon can help with cheating
frozen spear
apparently you're supposed to pause buffer cerby which is funny
frozen spear
I pause buffer phase 2 dad lasers because I'm trash and can't dodge them
lone bridge
bruh what
frozen spear
idk why my dad skills have gotten worse and worse but I can't hide behind rocks or point blank him without eating laser shots
lone bridge
you just dash to him or behind a rock lmao
hoary pasture
If you have specific requests for a savestate I can make one for you, or you can make one yourself manually or using the codex mod, that folder is all anyheat savestates, and it was kinda hype for like 2-3 days but now there isnt anything being posted on there lol
frozen spear
you just dash to him or behind a rock lmao
you saw my dad vid
you saw how bad phase 2 was
lone bridge
i mean... to make one myself i just finish styx, exit game, copy the temp save somewhere else and then repaste it in each time, right?
hoary pasture
Once you paste it and rename it you can just give up once you mess up you dont actually have to keep repasting it each time
And because it's a savestate the give up brings you to menu screen as usual but doesnt reset it back to the house
lone bridge
oh nice
hoary pasture
Just the start of the savestate
Which would be like when you enter the arena or something
You can also save before you enter the arenas
To manipulate the rng
Or else you might need multiple savestates for each boss to cover like all the adds etc
lone bridge
wait im confused, do you take your tempsave and paste it in as tempsave or paste it in as normal save?
hoary pasture
wait im confused, do you take your tempsave and paste it in as tempsave or paste...
For you to keep it as a tempsave you already should have a save in that slot im pretty sure so there should be something like Profile3.sav and then you paste this and rename it as Profile3_temp.sav and that should work, if you want to paste it it in an empty slot, then you have to change it to ProfileX.sav
The temp file is basically the run that you're currently doing
So every time you enter a room and the game saves
lone bridge
giving up still takes you to the start of the savestate?
hoary pasture
You can actually see the file updating
hoary pasture
For you to keep it as a tempsave you already should have a save in that slot im ...
I'm assuming with the first option no with the latter yes
lone bridge
hmm
hoary pasture
But I usually just go the second way
Because it's easier and I always have empty slots anyway
lone bridge
alr ill try this out, hopefully it works
lone bridge
lol i dont know that im getting much practice when im rd clocketing him in the face lmao
ok on fo0 this is really easy, im going to make another one with fo2 so i can do that lol
frozen spear
FO0 superdad bruh
lone bridge
what
lone bridge
then again i did have rd clockets but still like i was never getting hit
frozen spear
well if you're RD clocketing him you're not experiencing superdad lmao
lone bridge
for a while i just went by attacking and dashing
no clocketing
and i barely took any damage just because the attacks are slow
lone bridge
yep
dude rd clockets is so funny
you dash and right click and do like 3000 damage lmao
frozen spear
lmao enjoy trying to get AP2 hyper clockets
lone bridge
doing ap1 cf0 actually lol
or at least thats my plan
alternatively, cf2 ap0
either works
frozen spear
AP2 is mentally draining tbh
north dove
are there any top hestia heats running DC2
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/992871664654233610/unknown.png If you use DC2 just play it like a worse version of all the other rails
frozen spear
yo that's cracked
pseudo kernel
Yooo retrash is alive
cursive portal
hi retrash 
north dove
👋 
summer glen
All of you guys are actually GOATs because I finally got the speedrunning mod pack to work with the intention that I was gonna use it to guarantee lightning strike first boon and for quicker restarts when I died but immediately after installing it I proceeded to win. Thanks everybody for the advice!
frozen spear
All of you guys are actually GOATs because I finally got the speedrunning mod pa...
wait 50 already?
lone bridge
wait 50 already?
it was ap1 ri1 lol
so didnt need to get crazy lucky but also played without the rng boosting mirror upgrades so idk
impressive that you got it that fast though, ggs
frozen spear
gaming
I'm partial to AP1 RI1
probably unoptimal but RI2 sucks with no FF and thick skin while AP2 just sucks hard
quartz mantle
RI2 tarts are super rough
summer glen
Yeah, at some point I realized just how insane the third set of mirror upgrades are. +50 health is two centaur hearts which is two gold rooms, 100 gold is 1 gold room, if you have privileged status on an enemy for the +40% its like having 1-2 poms on your attack, special, dash, everything which is like 4 gold rooms. So in total the third set from mirror is 7 "free" gold rooms of power that you don't have to fight for.
summer glen
do people think FF is better than PS? I always felt FF is slightly better early on but as soon as you get PS online its better
mossy zinc
When is @shy plinth first 51 Heat clear?
Family Favorite is better for most builds, yeah.
shy plinth
Lol I'm not good enough to do 50s
Yeah FF comes online immediately and scales per god, requires no debuffs
Your build for the 50 clear was pretty dependent on rolling jolted through ap1
summer glen
I guess it makes sense, for Eris Rail I use lightning strike and jolted isnt guaranteed and divine/tidal dash dont apply a status without their respective boons either
shy plinth
But def got there, very impressive
mossy zinc
The reason you're not winning 51 Heat is that you're not doing 51 Heat. 
shy plinth
That is objectively true
shy plinth
You have quite a head start
I replayed fresh file to credits last weekend
That ruled
Maybe I should try heat pushing again or maybe absolutely not lol
hoary pasture
You have quite a head start
idk looks like a fair playing field
shy plinth
Except for the pilot skill
hoary pasture
Yea not worth mentioning that
mossy zinc
No 51+ Heat yet? Is this #hades-low-heat-strategies? 
ashen garnet
PS is good if you go for an aspect/build combo which is good at applying status effects and does not require T2 status boon
mossy zinc
It's also decent if your primary concern is EM4 and you're confident you'll have it up by then.
lone bridge
em4: 👶
em4 on fo2: 🚚
hoary pasture
wait until you see EM4 on FO4
I tried EM4 with +80% movement speed and +60% max hp and it did not go well
frozen spear
imagine getting lasered on FO4
lone bridge
wait until you see EM4 on FO4
that sounds awful lmao
also that spear throw move is total bs
its the one i get hit by the most
frozen spear
even EM asterius on FO4 would be a nightmare
lone bridge
https://youtu.be/MnrFMyAz3sA
lol get potted
frozen spear
epic cerberus moment
hoary pasture
yup
left prism
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/854697271311859732.webp?size=128&quality=lossl...
Bouldy looks like an egg
lone bridge
did cerberus even hit you? it was hard to tell lol
hoary pasture
yes
hoary pasture
usually you have time to bullrush between the 2 spins that he does
Here you dont so I got caught by that too
I'm honestly almost never scared of spear throws on Beo
hoary pasture
Yea that's why you see me bullrush multiple point blank spears
frozen spear
indeed
hoary pasture
I do it with the spins to get damage in, you can actually totally block those
On Beo
But it was sketchy here because of the stupid pots
mossy zinc
https://youtu.be/MnrFMyAz3sA
FO4 should have sped up his dialogue, too.
hoary pasture
It's just overall less safe because the bullrush is too good, I wouldnt say spear throws are the main reason imo
frozen spear
movement option op
mossy zinc
Him actually coming out of invisibility so fast with FO4 seems kinda nice ngl.
hoary pasture
spear throw is main reason cshot is less safe on EM4 right
lone bridge
yeah you get a lot of i frames from bullrushing lmao
hoary pasture
https://streamable.com/x0ptnz
sexy clip
mossy zinc
Just block, bro.
lone bridge
sexy clip
that was indeed very sexy
honestly the last phase of em4 is way harder than the first two combined
well not with harder summons
but like i can get through the first two phases and only take like 5 hits but then lose 3 dds on the last phase
bballs suck though
sneaks are also bad but not as bad as bballs
ebon orbit
https://youtu.be/MnrFMyAz3sA
Do the dry attacks at the beginning manipulate Hades' ai?
ebon orbit
Oh lol
I always assume the people who are way better than me at this game do everything intentionally
lone bridge
lol i remember one of the devs in that IGN speedrun video said that they just assume everything speedrunners do is intentional lmao
ebon orbit
"Losing to Lernie there was RNG manipulation for a future run"
quartz mantle
You can, you just basically need Athena Call to do so
The times when Sneak is vulnerable and Dad is either gone or also vulnerable are slim to none
mossy zinc
Just kill them with the DOT on your Special that wears off as soon as the Sneak disappears.
dapper schooner
i thought it did 100
its 100 normally with hl5
but beo has inbuilt extra 10% damage taken
so its 105
lone bridge
oh ffs i forgot about that 10% damage on beo
literally does nothing lmao
idek why its in the game
hoary pasture
of course
dapper schooner
you can blow up dad in 30sec
so in return you take 33 damage from a pot instead of 30
thats balance
lone bridge
ngl i forgot that pots normally dont do a lot of damage lol
lone bridge
what if for 50 i do ap1 cf1 hs0 instead?
im scared of getting potted lmao
ok no thats just stupid
frozen spear
HS0 gaming tbh
lone bridge
yeah but that means i have to take ap1 or ri1 lmao
or be extra cursed and take cp2
i can pretty consistently do em4 and only take like 7 or 8 hits when using clockets but getting potted is just an instant sd pop lmao
ok maybe not instant but it does way too much damage
pseudo kernel
Then don't step in pots
lone bridge
see now normally thats easy but em4 makes that so much harder
forest token
Simply do not step in the pot
mossy zinc
20 attempts in and haven't beat ely
EM4 pact?
mossy zinc
Now you know why you don't make it out of Elysium.
frozen spear
been trying EM3 JS1 RI2 AP1
mossy zinc
Just do EM4 and don't get bad summons.
frozen spear
as well as EM3 JS3 RI1 AP1
mossy zinc
RI0.
frozen spear
and EM3 JS2 RI0 AP2
I got kinda close on that last one with a god tier aphro attack zeus special athena dash entering ely
but then bows clapped me
mossy zinc
Well, you either do EM4 or you play 54 Heat until you get to Hades.
Rama EM4 is pretty quick if you got an actual build and don't get bad summons. Better to die a couple times to bad EM4 summons before you make it than to never make it out of Elysium.
jaunty falcon
and EM3 JS2 RI0 AP2
I like this pact
lone bridge
honestly em4 js1 ri0 ap1 is also an option lmao
it makes the entire run a breeze except for em4
upper juniper
EM5
lone bridge
make a practice save with just em4 fo2
and do it over and over again with a decent rama build until you get good at it
then rama 50 ez
pseudo kernel
i think mike had an em4 rama savestate
frozen spear
xbox gamepass thing
lone bridge
oh
frozen spear
bad idea I'll probably buy on steam
lone bridge
check under C:\Users\user\Documents\Saved Games\Hades
frozen spear
wait is it actually possible to aim on xbox
lone bridge
it should be there
frozen spear
console that is
lone bridge
i dont know actually
lone bridge
check under C:\Users\user\Documents\Saved Games\Hades
this is the default save path i think
frozen spear
I swear I checked that already excessively
pseudo kernel
skill issue
lone bridge
well then just go to "this pc" and search for hades
itll take a while but itll bring up all results
frozen spear
k I'll try that
lone bridge
then just find the folder marked "Hades"
lone bridge
k I'll try that
any luck?
hoary pasture
<@542795151135997953>
4 am 🗿
I don’t have one right now but it takes me like a minute to make it you just have to tell me what you want in there
This is the one I was originally practicing with
frozen spear
my poor laptop is screaming harder than when I use max dem call in EM2 lernie fight
lone bridge
I don’t have one right now but it takes me like a minute to make it you just hav...
also, do you have a specific tool to do this?
lone bridge
i dont think so
maybe im wrong though
looked it up, it doesnt
that would make thr fight like 3x as hard lol
imagine mm sneak summon summoning summons
soon the arena turns into super barge
hoary pasture
also, do you have a specific tool to do this?
I use the codex mod
hoary pasture
I swear I heard that MM affects EM4
It does not
hoary pasture
It can help
lone bridge
bball is already sus
hoary pasture
Oh it already teleports
And gorgon heads teleport too
Ig those are affected
But crushers and sneaks are not
Doomstone is the same either way, just the arena that changes so it doesn’t matter
lone bridge
imagine if em4 could summon witches lol
hoary pasture
i should probably install that lol
The thing with Codex is that you can warp to the boss every time, so the timer in that screenshot is basically how much time it took me to beat him, if you want to make savestates then you might need multiple to go through the different minibosses
lone bridge
sounds like a pro speedrunning technique
frozen spear
@lone bridge bruh it's still searching
lone bridge
seriously?
dear lord
try going to C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Packages
it might be there
@frozen spear
also actually appdata is a hidden folder so just go to the search bar in the bottom left (assuming youre on windows) and type in %appdata% and hit enter
then follow the path from there
also how tf did you install mods if you dont know where the folder is
hoary pasture
What are you searching for
lone bridge
hades files folder on gamepass
lone bridge
try going to C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\Packages
this is the default install path on gamepass im pretty sure
frozen spear
@lone bridge good lead
https://i.imgur.com/DgLsWOM.png I'm now here
unfortunately there's nothing much of value that's visible
https://i.imgur.com/s85Gym4.png this is the best I can find
lone bridge
god this is a mess
ok i managed to find a reddit post
The xbox gamepass files are located in C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Packages , in a folder with Supergiant and Hades in the name. Then, it's in \SystemAppData\wgs. In that folder there should be another two folders, enter in the folder named with letters and numbers, you should see and file called cointainers and again a folder with letters and numbers. Get in that folder, and compare the files with your save files, replace them, and the Gamepass Hades should have now your save files.
idk what thats saying to do but hopefully thats of some use to you lol
lone bridge
https://i.imgur.com/s85Gym4.png this is the best I can find
and dear lord this looks so awful
how can this work so different on gamepass and steam??
frozen spear
that is really helpful
looks like the files are hidden
https://i.imgur.com/fvvWz5I.png there's this super weird looking file
lone bridge
yep, that file is in binary
frozen spear
half of the files are comprehensible and contain basic save information
{
WindowHeight = 900
AllowAutoLock = false
MasterVolume = 0.281283
LastRoadmapRevisionViewed = 38246
Rumble = false
UseAnalytics = false
SwapInterval = 0
DisplayIndex = 0
ShowGameplayTimer = true
ValidCheckpoint = false
LastPatchNoteRevisionViewed = 38246
ScreenshotCount = 7
ControlsResetRevisionViewed = 38246
Y = 900
X = 1600
DefaultControlsChosen = true
CameraShake = false
WindowY = 90
WindowX = 160
WindowWidth = 1600
UseAltCursor = true
}
the other half are pure chaos
lone bridge
the chaotic ones are probably class files of some sort
frozen spear
uh oh I exposed myself as using 900x1600 resolution
lone bridge
wait wtf