Your attack is still a hugh source of dmg
#h1-high-heat-strategies
upper juniper
dc2?
hoary pasture
DC2 on Chiron is pretty awful
Will slow you down a ton
If you're looking for a Bow to do it it's Rama
left prism
More disliked than em4?
forest token
i think em4 is manageable once you learn the stuff and "git gud" but dc is just a pain
left prism
I cant git gud if all that dad does is summoning sneaks/B.balls
forest token
lmao true
frozen spear
bball is easiest miniboss
therefore bball is easiest EM4 summon
hoary pasture
I can send you that savestate if you want
left prism
hoary pasture
🗿
dawn comet
Will slow you down a ton
True my chiron runs have gone well but I do run out of time.
I had thought it was because I am always getting frost strike.
(I'm starting with persephone keepsake and just pivoting on whatever comes up)
hoary pasture
And just remove DC, surely you can find something else to put 2 heat
hoary pasture
You can start Dio and pom it as much as possible, can also pair it up with an Aphro attack/dash and pstatus
That's your whole build right there
frozen spear
@dawn comet wait what heat are you looking for
frozen spear
chiron's pretty good for that
dawn comet
Ye I'm going slowly to 32 as the jump from 20 was too steep
frozen spear
DC2 isn't the worst thing ever but at 32 it's probably still meh
you might wanna try FO1 if you're getting your ass whooped by enemies since chiron is unsafe on special
dawn comet
Yeah I wouldn't dare fo2
dawn comet
Still struggling with fo1 but again I need it because I won't be able to make up the heat elsewhere
hoary pasture
LC4 is worth learning
frozen spear
if you wanna push higher than 32 SD becomes super dominant
but for now 32 is fine, just keep LC at 2 or lower
hoary pasture
Just learn it
dawn comet
if you wanna push higher than 32 SD becomes super dominant
Yeah I am almost tempted to force sd because of this
hoary pasture
It's genuinely not that hard
dawn comet
But at the moment it sets me back too much
hoary pasture
And the heat you get from LC will make the rest of the pact lighter
forest token
DD is definitely possible for 32 heat but it leaves less room for error in a sense
frozen spear
I like it at times since it lessens the patty rng reliance
hoary pasture
You don't need patty with SD either
frozen spear
yeah but he's way more effective on SD than DD
forest token
patty gives you more healing for SD right?
frozen spear
80% op
forest token
oh boy patty busted
hoary pasture
He is op for high heat runs yea
But not necessary
Getting gud is necessary however
And you cant expect yourself to adapt to the pacts very quickly
frozen spear
Getting gud is necessary however
actually that's incorrect, beo compensates for a lack of skill
forest token
actually true
hoary pasture
Beo is a deceiving aspect as a wise cactus once said
mossy zinc
SD 101:
(1) pick Owl Pendant in Asphodel,
(2) get Divine Dash,
(3) any time after this when you see a boon from Lady Athena, make sure you use up your SD in the chamber before picking up her boon, then roll for Deathless Stand or Last Stand.
forest token
there's a reason why my only 32 heat clears were with beo
hoary pasture
You can get good results with it, doesnt mean you're playing it well
forest token
it's relatively easy to learn once you pick up the right boons
frozen spear
hopefully you're using the right flare
mossy zinc
By far my lowest win%
Nothing an easily broken build can't fix.
frozen spear
poseidon's the easiest one by far
dawn comet
Yea flood flare
frozen spear
and mirage?
dawn comet
I just haven't figured out the mechanics
dawn comet
and mirage?
If I'm lucky
frozen spear
fair
it's harder at the skill floor than the majority of aspects that are just dstrike dstrike dstrike
forest token
although once you understand how it works and can somewhat comfortably use it, you just one shot things lmao
hardy garden
Funnily enough I am totally useless with beo
uh have you rebinded cast to something like right bumper?
dawn comet
uh have you rebinded cast to something like right bumper?
No and not for hestia either. I'll keep it in mind
hardy garden
yeah the default controls are pretty awkard
left prism
Who was the idea for reload on r3
bronze rapids
blinked and suddenly a handful of 60 Beos popped up 
neat sonnet
zamn nice
dawn comet
Ty @hoary pasture @mossy zinc I tried your tips on 30 heat and just died on the final phase of dad.
Used sd and just didn't quite get the luck to pick up a spare dd.
If I had I would've escaped.
Big improvement from 25>30 heat
mossy zinc
Nice! You'll have better luck next time!
neat sonnet
you got this!!
once you get close you realize what you need to close things out - sometimes it's not even the dd so much as being a bit cleaner with some attacks, like my heroes fight needs to be wayyy cleaner
frozen spear
https://i.imgur.com/ghY1jP8.png is this a good arthur 40 pact
left prism
add dc2
bright smelt
https://i.imgur.com/ghY1jP8.png is this a good arthur 40 pact
yikes bp2 and fo2 with arthur?
left prism
Add em4 and take off lc
DDs time
frozen spear
uh idk I thought BP2 FO2 was standard for like all 40
left prism
arthur gets bullied by fo2
bright smelt
yeah but on arthur
bright smelt
lmfao
left prism
thats sus too
next acorn
FO1 HL5
pseudo kernel
Thing is Arthur just kinda is really horrible
next acorn
everything else is pretty fine if you need to do hell mode
frozen spear
but HL5 makes me sad
pseudo kernel
Good
next acorn
yeah
pseudo kernel
You playin Arthur just get 100% damage reduction
bright smelt
but HL5 makes me sad
here's a simple trick:
equip arthur -> go to aspects for sword -> click on nemesis
frozen spear
chamber 8 and I'm already doing 1.1k per third swing
next acorn
dont you play modded
frozen spear
yeah
pseudo kernel
Shadow slash gud
next acorn
dedge better tho
pseudo kernel
Prove it
bright smelt
huh i didn't know that
frozen spear
why do I always dash straight into tisiphone while she's doing bullet hell mode
oh well 235 hp leaving tartarus
pseudo kernel
Because unga bunga brain
frozen spear
bright smelt
i leaned from tf2 to never trust backstab hitboxes
left prism
there was a dumb way to hit a backstab with arthur iirc
probably pseudo talked about it
bright smelt
of course pseudo talked about it lmao
left prism
and yk, the usual thunder flare backstab
left prism
Than backstab 
pseudo kernel
Support fire backstabs
bright smelt
what's a backstab
pseudo kernel
Stab from the back
bright smelt
(this post is made by fiery presence gang)
pseudo kernel
What's a fiery presence
left prism
imagine not picking up exposed/athena-aphro duo that i legit forgot its name to be able to backstab with fiery anyways
frozen spear
I know arthur is super unviable but man is it a fun aspect
I can see why casuals swear their lives to it
bright smelt
funny big sword
next acorn
Arthur paddle
frozen spear
arthur is charon simulator
bright smelt
live charon rp
frozen spear
imagine not picking up exposed/athena-aphro duo that i legit forgot its name to ...
wait me too
I also don't know what it even does
left prism
allows casts to backstab
and a backstab dmg bonus (tho i still dont know whenever is global bonus or just for the cast)
frozen spear
wack
is it any good
for a lot of aspects I force aphro then athena so I end up with and sell it often
I guess it's a large +% for casts which should be op right
next acorn
parting shot
bright smelt
R O D
next acorn
left prism
Rod is legit good tho
neat sonnet
love when i a) accidentally start chiron 32 instead of rama b) accidentally put zeus special c) get to heroes by some mistake of god and then die
quartz mantle
and a backstab dmg bonus (tho i still dont know whenever is global bonus or jus...
Parting Shot only gives backstab to casts
but it does make the backstab text show up even if you have Fiery on, despite not actually giving the bonus to your attack or special
left prism
Makes sense but it doesnt
quartz mantle
Yea
cursive nest
Im trying to clear 32 heat any tips?
I'm currently trying to do it with a heart rend Chiron build but by the time I get to Styx I do like no damage to the saytrs and get rekt please I am in pain
gaunt fiber
I'd recommend getting tidal dash and breaking wave for styx. HR should be enough damage but that specific combo is good for Chiron as it lacks aoe
cursive nest
Ill try that I had the combo once in a normal run and it destroyed Styx I forgot about that thanks
gaunt fiber
if you're getting to styx though, it's not the biome that'll stop you
take your time at learning pattern. Styx can be dangerous but only on rough builds
shy plinth
What's your pact?
cursive nest
What's your pact?
3 tough labor 2 of the healing decrease extreme measures 3, calisthenics 2, benefits package 2, jury summons 3, Max convince fee, Middle management and underworld customs, forced over time max, damage control 2 (I think this is right)
shy plinth
Okay your pact is incredibly difficult
I'm guessing you had issues with the timer with this pact - you turned on all of the slow pacts that will often get you killed
Calisthenics is super duper punishing and gives hades 10,000 more health
What you're doing is probably closer to a 40 than a 32 if not higher
This is the heat prog I recommend
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
> Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn
This is probably the most reliable 32 pact
If you're used to FO2, you can cut down to HL1 CF0, which is my personal preference
bright smelt
is there purging well rng manip or do you just have to get lucky and save rerolls
mossy zinc
There is, but it's not leaderboard legal in Unseeded. Fine in Seeded, though.
You'd have to know the route ahead of time anyway.
Well, I guess if you don't intend to submit the run anyway, you could save-scum it.
But tbh you just learn to cope with it.
Saving rerolls can be good if you want to avoid having to purge critical boons for your build.
But sometimes it's fine purging one of them anyway. Your build doesn't need to be ideal, it just needs to be good enough.
bright smelt
But tbh you just learn to cope with it.
i accidentally purged aphro special because i forgot i had heart rend
mossy zinc
......
bright smelt
and then my build damage just dropped by 1/3
to be fair
the previous well i had to purge tidal dash
mossy zinc
cursive nest
This is probably the most reliable 32 pact
Thanks ill try that out
hoary pasture
pog
hardy garden
ig getting hunters dash and athena call is already pretty lucky for a random ap2 ri2 run
and deadly reversal
next acorn
JS2 pogofgreed
neat sonnet
JS hestia monkas
next acorn
I think this is the same pact I did when I was trying hesty 50
Maybe I should do some attempts
hoary pasture
So same pact
jaunty falcon
Yep
hoary pasture
what's good hestia 50 though
I don’t know what this means 🗿
jaunty falcon
Didnt read up
hoary pasture
You can
You can also just keep normal mode and do CP0 like the pact posted above
CP0 is nice
Another option would be Hell mode JS3 CP1 AP1 RI2 but at that point you have to be good mechanically at the weapon imo otherwise you’re likely to time out
But Hestia isn’t needy so AP2 isn’t the worst thing ever
ripe ermine
I did RI2 AP2 also https://www.leereamsnyder.com/images/blog/hades-32-heat-clear-73-rail-hestia-victory.jpg
Oof I didn’t take HS
frozen spear
smh no DC2
hoary pasture
Real gamer
frozen spear
how come antos
hoary pasture
Antos is cool for heat
frozen spear
I guess for handling FO2
frozen spear
hm nice
ripe ermine
This was my first 50 ever I think
frozen spear
I love antos so any excuse to use it is good in my book
ripe ermine
You can use him on Furies but you’ll miss that 2000 damage on heroes
hoary pasture
Yea on Heroes I usually save it for Theseus phase 2 lol
ripe ermine
Antos Sneak feels so good
hoary pasture
Yea
If you time it right
Which I don’t
Because I barely play Antos
But ye it’s nice
Especially on the aspects that struggle with Furies more
Like fists
cursive portal
Companion astaos
pseudo kernel
I love companion astaos
neat sonnet
my fave
gaunt fiber
hoary pasture
https://i.imgur.com/dXGMbB1.png wait now what
I wouldnt do this
Avoid RI on Beowulf
frozen spear
oh sorry this is hestia
frozen spear
hm I'll try AP1 for now and switch to that if I need to
god RI2 is awful
I wonder how much ely is gonna clap me
god why does thanatos make rooms so horrifying
dapper schooner
You'd have to know the route ahead of time anyway.
no actually
i saw in speedcord they discovered some weird way to get an item thats there in the initial well again if you have 3 rolls
i dont exactly remember what they do tho
frozen spear
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/984353330811764816/unknown.png?width=705&height=397 sixth try based on security log
this might change my mind on beowulf being the best aspect tbh
since that took me 27 attempts
karmic perch
I'm more surprised you took Acorn over Butterfly
I feel like I cheesed my high heat run with a really campy Hestia Butterfly build
hoary pasture
Butterfly is barely any damage
Especially at this high heat
Because you wont no hit rooms
Acorn is way too strong for Heroes and normal Dad
It’s not even close
You also need something
Butterfly is just asking for random boons
Not ideal here with AP RI
frozen spear
I'm more surprised you took Acorn over Butterfly
butterfly is straight up garbage
karmic perch
ah, I just saw the 50 heat. Disregard
mossy zinc
butterfly is straight up garbage
You might wish to choose your words more carefully when speaking about a gift from Death Incarnate, you being a mortal and all.
Wouldn't wanna to get on his bad side.
frozen spear
oh yeah I also wanna give a huge shoutout to holy shield
it's quickly becoming one of my favorite high heat boons because it keeps you from just instantly dying to stupid crap
saved my ass multiple times in ely
clever otter
@cobalt minnow if you ever want advice on completing 16 heat, you can check out the pins here or ask the people who frequent this channel for good pact setups 
cobalt minnow
Alright thanks so much for the help!
cobalt minnow
ooo alright
frozen spear
from what I've heard you always want to prefer LC over HL
since LC doesn't kick in vs dad whereas HL does
cobalt minnow
ok rad
shy plinth
As in never hard labor until you're on LC4? Possible
HL1 isn't super noticeable so it's good for filling in heat gaps
But LC1 works fine too
frozen spear
yeah pretty much I think
or at least until LC2 since LC2 is nerfed by preserving vitality to 2
shy plinth
I don't envision that choice being gamebreaking either way
frozen spear
no doubt
also EM3 could be aspect dependent, since @cobalt minnow is using chiron it's excellent heat but probably want to avoid at 16 with eg fists
shy plinth
Yeah, the main reason I prioritized the mechanic altering heats first is because when you get used to them they feel like "free heat"
I haven't done EM2 in forever lol
frozen spear
FO2 EM3 asterius is messed up
shy plinth
Asterius mini boss
cobalt minnow
also EM3 could be aspect dependent, since <@625200712799748096> is using chiron ...
damn ok I'm actually on heat 16? (If I remember correctly) on my fists and couldn't figure out a method to beat it
shy plinth
EM3? If you haven't done it before you could try a 3 heat run with just that to see
clever otter
i used the same pact with every weapon/aspect but i never went above 20
frozen spear
damn ok I'm actually on heat 16? (If I remember correctly) on my fists and could...
yeah it's tricky
shy plinth
I used that pact at the bottom of the image with every aspect
frozen spear
you probably want divine dash to help out with mega asterius
shy plinth
Good enough for 32
clever otter
it looks like this
shy plinth
CF2 nooooo
cobalt minnow
mega asterius is such a pain escpecially his beyblade lookin move
shy plinth
I like buyin stuff
cobalt minnow
ditto
clever otter
haha its a 32 heat pact i removed all the options i hated from
frozen spear
yeah on FO2 the problem is that his windup for beyblade is extremely short
so if you're still in endlag it's easy to eat several spins
clever otter
fo is good to get used to but the game is just sooo much easier without it
once i removed it i had such an easier time actually beating the game with heat
frozen spear
yeah it's probably the only snowball heats that's still highly recommended
because 6 heat is just too much
but it makes every part of the game so much harder
cobalt minnow
fo is good to get used to but the game is just sooo much easier without it
yeah I tried it a couple times but I ALWAYS take my precious time with Hades
especially with em4
frozen spear
there's basically the problem with EM4
shy plinth
There are a lot of problems with em4 lol
frozen spear
it locks you out of heat like FO2 and HL, and makes life so much harder with MM TD3 LC4
shy plinth
There's a natural impulse to do it since it's so much heat and also it's the "ultimate" boss
But man it is HARD
SGG knew what they were doing when they put it at +4
It is barely a fair price and we are not getting the good end of the deal
frozen spear
I remember my beo 50 heat attempts desperately trying to keep my shield up
then he knocked me across the map with some attack and straight into cerberus
mossy zinc
it's quickly becoming one of my favorite high heat boons because it keeps you fr...
The only non-Call boon that gives i-frames. Much more valuable in Hell mode.
cobalt minnow
Its SO cathartic though if you beat EM4 Hades, like ugh so good
frozen spear
no doubt
frozen spear
and to be fair some aspects can handle EM4 very well at lower heat like chiron hestia beowulf
clever otter
i actually beat him with chiron the first (and maybe only, i dont remember) time
but it was before the chiron nerf iirc
so it was really too strong
quartz mantle
Chiron can just get a stupid strong build going with Heart Rend and chaos specials
neat sonnet
i feel like my evaluation of chaos is super off from playing a lot of Guan Yu, they’re pretty good otherwise, right (32-40 range)?
gaunt fiber
Absolutely. They're dangerous with AP at high heat, but I would not worry before the 50 heat range. Even at that level, you'll probably have to take them sometimes for the time save. Of course you have to take the risk into account
spice lava
The pace of the run matters with both heat and biome. It's not a big deal to have a bad Chaos at Tartarus because it feels okay to reset early if the run starts badly. Once the run has a good pace, it's more risky to take chaos at Asphodel or Elysium
dawn comet
I have killed myself twice recently by taking chaos gates towards the end of elysium
hoary pasture
If you’re not sure about what to take from the Chaos take the one that harms you the least
Even if the buff that you get afterwards is useless
dawn comet
Yeah indeed
dawn comet
The first one was ok an easy mistake, the second one I looked at the chamber (33), and still picked one that cost -4 health per attack (on hera bow)
Lol
bright smelt
just don't take damage
(says me)
on a serious note that curse early in a biome should be fine but at the end that's tough
neat sonnet
thanks y’all! slowly rebuilding my hades knowledge
bronze rapids
one time I went into HL5 FO2 EM3 with a dash distance penalty
Somehow lived
speaking of AP chaos penalties
https://youtu.be/hmuhZoCrZpA
a gem from Angel
cursive portal
speaking of AP chaos penalties
https://youtu.be/hmuhZoCrZpA
frozen spear
time to be stupid and try lucifer 40 before 32
attack at cursor off I assume?
https://i.imgur.com/za5SNQN.png something like this
jaunty falcon
That’s hestia 🤓
neat sonnet
lmoa
frozen spear
I realized that two chambers in
neat sonnet
TWO??
frozen spear
"this isn't lucifer special"
lmao yeah chamber 1 I just blew up first enemy and thought yeah this is how lucifer works
mossy zinc
time to be stupid and try lucifer 40 before 32
Sounds like something I would do. My first clear with Beowulf was 41 and second clear was 52 Heat WR lol.
pseudo kernel
bro why do you always use hl2
frozen spear
do that for all rails
bet
lucifer not destroying projectiles scares me tbh
so I cranked up JS instead
frozen spear
CF0 gaming
pseudo kernel
exactly
frozen spear
I'll try that if JS sucks too much
pseudo kernel
cf0 until 45 or 50
frozen spear
epic arty special gaming
mossy zinc
Just try whatever you feel like. A 40 Heat pact isn't gonna hold you back too much anymore at this point.
frozen spear
man this weapon is so fun with zeus attack
hm just took a trial room, zeus and arty
want jolted so took arty first to fill cores, she's offering common cast mark and ppoints
is taking cast a huge mistake
pseudo kernel
take mark
frozen spear
I'm forcing athena for dash too
mossy zinc
Just grab Hunter's Mark.
pseudo kernel
nah bro splash dash gamin
frozen spear
lol I'm not good enough to high heat splash dash
common mark seems depressing but I'll take it I guess
pseudo kernel
well how about you
😤 git 😤 gud 😤
frozen spear
I can't
pseudo kernel
frozen spear
that's why I can only 50 with beo hestia
mossy zinc
lol I'm not good enough to high heat splash dash
You are, and you're underestimating Tidal Dash tbh.
frozen spear
hm am I really
pseudo kernel
only one way to find out
lone bridge
it kill ver fast
pseudo kernel
yeah its very good
just get artemis attack and the hammer that increases ramp up damage
pseudo kernel
ye
frozen spear
bet
mossy zinc
I wouldn't have made it in my 52 run if I'd gotten Divine Dash instead of Tidal Dash that run. The DPS you get helps so much.
frozen spear
time to get clapped by meg
pseudo kernel
😳
pseudo kernel
100 base damage specials good?
frozen spear
breaking news
damn so many questions
should I purge common mark or roll to purge epic cast
pseudo kernel
how many rolls
pseudo kernel
do it
mossy zinc
Purge Cast, keep Mark.
frozen spear
I guess purging cast lets me take chaos well
mossy zinc
Don't purge things that are doing great things for you now unless you're forced to.
Especially with that many rolls.
frozen spear
k
pseudo kernel
roll for epic chaos special boon and 5 damage every time you attack
jaunty falcon
Support fire is also goated on this aspect
pseudo kernel
how many boons you got
pseudo kernel
gomble might be worth
jaunty falcon
Yeah
pseudo kernel
well nectar kinda decent for hermes
frozen spear
yeah and AP0 gives me good hermes
mossy zinc
Boring decisions you already know all the answers to. Just choose by the book lol.
pseudo kernel
so obvious answer is ambrosia nectar
frozen spear
I honestly don't know in this case since mega heat sweats seem to like pom a lot more than I do
so trying to adjust
jaunty falcon
I think ambrosia is actually my most common eury pick at 50
frozen spear
for no replace?
pseudo kernel
no just because its good
jaunty falcon
Heroic good
frozen spear
ok I'll take nectar
mossy zinc
Well, you don't have AP2 etc. where you expect most boons you find to be high rarity garbage if you pick Nectar.
pseudo kernel
you know heroic quick recovery is good
jaunty falcon
Heroic flurry cast 😍🥰
pseudo kernel
goated on poseidon
mossy zinc
Nor do you have a Cast build that is greedy for poms.
frozen spear
god triple bomb is broken
mossy zinc
For epic dashes.
frozen spear
lol
frozen spear
I was mildly tempted
damn jolted scales really well
https://imgur.com/bTgrkwF who needs eurydice
pseudo kernel
heroic titan toppler time
frozen spear
I'm taking it
cursive nest
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/668865849079103539/884878890739335178/u...
Thanks dude, using this pact I got athena's call and got a awesome call build and beat Hades without using my stubborn
shy plinth
Nice work!!
pseudo kernel
bro is not gonna have a sell boon
pseudo kernel
LOL
cursive nest
All my homies hate 32 heat
pseudo kernel
all my homies hate 64 heat
mossy zinc
One thing I like to do in high heat with rare/epic Greatest Reflex is to play largely like you have 1-2 fewer dashes than you do. That way your dash will never be on cooldown, so you'll always be able to dash out of emergencies.
pseudo kernel
i just spam them and die
frozen spear
UC is about to blast my ass
mossy zinc
All my homies hate 32 heat
Yeah, low heat is boring. 
hoary pasture
kinky
mossy zinc
UC is about to blast my ass
Lol it's fine, you can lose good things and still have a good build.
pseudo kernel
sell the chaos boon
frozen spear
I wish
pseudo kernel
uh probably mark tbh
frozen spear
what if I roll and sell hermes instead
pseudo kernel
dash good
frozen spear
problem is mark is heroic soon
hoary pasture
There is a good chance you get them again anyway
mossy zinc
I'd purge Mark and get it back probably.
hoary pasture
If you pick up mark again later it actually keeps upgrading lol
mossy zinc
If you pick up mark again later it actually keeps upgrading lol
Also this yeah.
pseudo kernel
was joke
pseudo kernel
i would just sell mrka
pseudo kernel
I can force arty again technically but want acorn
acorn and then die to speeder slugger greatshields
frozen spear
you bet your ass I will
mossy zinc
Hunter's Mark has a 50% chance to show up if you see her, so should be fine.
frozen spear
ok yeah dumping mark was the right call, if I dumped ddash I'd be dead
mossy zinc
And if you don't, Triple Bomb is still gonna do stupid damage.
frozen spear
https://imgur.com/RdjIqiT sorry need help I don't play lucifer
mossy zinc
I think all three are decent enough.
frozen spear
thinking about piercing
pseudo kernel
piercing is nice
mossy zinc
I'd be leaning towards Piercing myself.
mossy zinc
Sounds like you just need to run it home and not die to Speeder Chariots.
frozen spear
gg, patty
mossy zinc
Remember to not run into any Chariots with your face.
frozen spear
I mean if I fail at this point I should just delete the game
mossy zinc
I've thrown better runs lol.
frozen spear
and got the mark back
pseudo kernel
Ok gg
mossy zinc
You throw all the best ones and then make it with one that's held together by duct tape and dreams.
Sometimes only by dreams.
frozen spear
my triple bombs were so off the mark that I popped theseus phase 2 halfway through asterius
easy clear though
mossy zinc
lol
frozen spear
https://imgur.com/eyEMMAb I think this is my most overwhelming 40 heat victory
god I love this aspect
mossy zinc
Congratulations!
frozen spear
and thanks for all the help
mossy zinc
Now try it again with RI3 with one dash and you'll be sure to hate this aspect.
frozen spear
if I had it my own way I would've been dead chamber 1 elysium without ddash
mossy zinc
if I had it my own way I would've been dead chamber 1 elysium without ddash
lmao
I don't always aim for Divine Dash, but I practically never purge it unless I am really desperate for DPS.
frozen spear
makes sense
man the combination of enormous boss dps from triple bomb and crowd control from zeus attack is just incredible
mossy zinc
Remember to... not submit your run because it's not legal on the board here.
Curse you for not giving me an opportunity to use my Dusa clip.
frozen spear
Remember to... not submit your run because it's not legal on the board here. <:d...
wait why
not that I'd ever end up on a leaderboard
mossy zinc
The High Heat Leaderboard doesn't allow mods that affect the run. QoL stuff or cosmetic mods are fine. That's to ensure that anyone can compete in all the categories without installing a mod.
There's another one specifically for modded runs in the Hades Speedrun server, though.
frozen spear
lol oh yeah that's fine with me
if I ever wanted to sweat leaderboard stuff I would exclusively play modded
unmodded game is too much of a train wreck imo
bronze rapids
Now try it again with RI3 with one dash and you'll be sure to hate this aspect. ...
*all aspects not called the shield
mossy zinc
*all aspects not called the shield
Hestia with one dash is still Hestia.
mossy zinc
RI3 Beowulf is still top tier.
next acorn
He did RI3 DC0
hoary pasture
Yup
hoary pasture
RI3 Beowulf is still top tier. <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Charged shot is top tier
neat sonnet
https://imgur.com/eyEMMAb I think this is my most overwhelming 40 heat victory
congrats on the sensory overload luci run
cursive nest
https://imgur.com/eyEMMAb I think this is my most overwhelming 40 heat victory
How are you even doing 40 heat in 14 and a half minutes
mossy zinc
Slowly.
frozen spear
How are you even doing 40 heat in 14 and a half minutes
triple bomb and that's about it
mossy zinc
The timer is 20 minutes, that's a lot of time.
frozen spear
that thing deletes elysium and styx rooms
cursive nest
triple bomb and that's about it
Guess I just have a skill issue
frozen spear
it's what carried me to the win
cursive nest
what is the heart of stone?
Giving yellow stuff to bouldy
mossy zinc
Nectar, to be specific.
mossy zinc
Then Bouldy will give you a boon every time, you just haven't checked your boon list.
cursive nest
I do that every time I see 'im though
Check your inventory after you do it
It will give you op boon
mossy zinc
Guess I just have a skill issue
Just gotta practice more. Speedrun modpack certainly helps, too.
cursive nest
Just gotta practice more. Speedrun modpack certainly helps, too.
Ps4 moment
mossy zinc
Looks like a pretty normal Lucifer time for 40 Heat to me anyway. Could be a lot faster still if you pushed for speed and adjusted the pact for that. Lucifer is pretty speedy and handles crowds very well.
Certainly with Triple Bomb, anyway.
mossy zinc
The only "issue" that Lucifer has really is that Eris and Hestia exist.
It's quite decent even without Triple Bomb, but Eris and Hestia are more consistently busted, pretty much.
frozen spear
hm is eris just better lucifer
I'll try 40 that then
seems like modpack sets rocket first hammer but surely hazard is better for high heat
mossy zinc
Why 40, just do like 45 or something.
frozen spear
idk
mossy zinc
seems like modpack sets rocket first hammer but surely hazard is better for high...
lmao
No.
upper juniper
why do 40 heat when you could just hack in 100 heat?
pseudo kernel
seems like modpack sets rocket first hammer but surely hazard is better for high...
Yes
pseudo kernel
delta maybe?
Delta for like 50+ maybe
frozen spear
just dash 4head
mossy zinc
why do 40 heat when you could just hack in 100 heat?
Why use hacks when you could have just been here in Early Access? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i5JKZ8h7kY
pseudo kernel
Use hacks and be there during early access
mossy zinc
mossy zinc
frozen spear
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/676266365123952689/984614324427436042/image0.jpg maybe good lucifer 50 pact?
sounds fun
actually I could keep RI0 with HL5 AP1
might be better
nvm that's AP1 already
frozen spear
cut what?
pseudo kernel
Ri I guess
pseudo kernel
lol I have an unhealthy aversion to HL
Gotta get used to that for high heat
pseudo kernel
I assumed RI1 wasn't standard
Idk
pseudo kernel
I hate slugger HL5 crap
Just don't get sluggers
frozen spear
ok BP0
mossy zinc
lol I have an unhealthy aversion to HL
If you think it works better for you, you should try it. If it's not working for you, try something else and see if that's any better.
frozen spear
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/676266365123952689/984615790806462484/image0.jpg who needs BP
mossy zinc
Bruh.
Looks doable enough, I suppose.
Anyway, 50+ is far from settled, so if you think you have some good ideas, just try and see how it works for you.
pseudo kernel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/676266365123952689/984615790806462484/i...
Em4 then take off lc4
mossy zinc
There's a lot of 50+ runs, but they're from mostly the same small group of players. So more ideas are always good.
You can have a look at the high heat leaderboard for what pacts and strategies people used for 50+ Lucifer, too.
frozen spear
bet
frozen spear
god I always forget how insane the jump from 40 to 50 is
I'm getting my teeth kicked in here
spice lava
Nitrostarch pushed Hera really high last night
(Unseeded)
Ft. Magic anvil who took Explosive Shot and gave Point Blank + Triple Shot in exchange
shy gulch
cast build hera at 56 🙏 what a gamer
spice lava
That's not part of the Hera manual?
shy gulch
lmao from what ive seen ppl have been going something like twin shot into playing it like bad zag bow
lone bridge
damn unmodded too lmao
quartz mantle
I assumed RI1 wasn't standard
RI1 can be used on aspects with flat damage like Luci w/ zeus attack and jolted, Family Favorite helps quite a bit
frozen spear
RI1 can be used on aspects with flat damage like Luci w/ zeus attack and jolted,...
bet, I came to that conclusion too and started rocking RI1 AP1
had a good run and timed out in elysium :( skipped too many mid shops
silent ember
Hello
frozen spear
so I would recommend using EM2
EM3 is tough but a ton of heat and is considered standard
UC MM are really easy heat and worth 4 total
BP1 is no biggie, BP2 is rough but standard since it's 5 heat
same with FO1 although that has a steep learning curve, can catch you off guard
silent ember
Iii'll get back to you once I'm back on the heat screen because
I don't remember the abbreviations haha
frozen spear
no worries
silent ember
EM3 is tough but a ton of heat and is considered standard
Euff
I'll avoid EM3 for now just bc I have enough trouble with Theseus and Asterius and I'd rather get better at the fight before then
Underworld Customs hurts haha
frozen spear
yep fair
try deep pockets instead of golden touch
that helps you buy boons you can sell to feed UC
shy plinth
Customs helps you focus your poms, it's kinda nice tbh
You just have to always think about "what am I going to sell"
In tart you need to take something that you don't care about because you will probably only see like 3-4 boons
In asphodel I usually plan on selling hermes but you end up with a deep enough pool that you just need to save a roll, same for elysium
frozen spear
what it also means is that if you're offered some boons you don't care about, pick the highest rarity one so you get more gold for selling it
frozen spear
In asphodel I usually plan on selling hermes but you end up with a deep enough p...
bruh
silent ember
that helps you buy boons you can sell to feed UC
That's a fair recommendation
silent ember
what it also means is that if you're offered some boons you don't care about, pi...
And ty for this tip too!
shy plinth
Listen if I hit hyper sprint then sure I'll keep it
silent ember
Customs helps you focus your poms, it's kinda nice tbh
And tru tru
frozen spear
homie you should not be selling hermes
shy plinth
But if you end up with side hustle, that boon is gold every room and then gold in the pool
silent ember
Although, I like Golden Touch because it just feels so consistent?
shy plinth
We get them back
frozen spear
you should really really not be selling hermes
silent ember
Whereas Deep Pockets just starts you with a flat amount of coin
shy plinth
It's only two boons offered per run and the game tries really hard to get you to two
If it's a chamber 20 side hustle and I like all my support boons I'm going in
pseudo kernel
Although, I like Golden Touch because it just feels so consistent?
It's the opposite tbh
Just buy stuff with deep pockets
frozen spear
and the two boons tend to be some of the strongest you'll get the entire run
please don't sell hermes lol
shy plinth
I'm saying that if you need an asphodel sellable when you're targeting a duo or something then you can very easily get a good dumpable boon from our boy hermes and then see him twice in ely
It is a buffer that pairs well with a saved roll, especially if you're new to UC
shy plinth
I don't think that's true
frozen spear
with the exception of a 50% chance to be purchasable in styx
shy plinth
If you have one and then sell it you can see him again I thought
shy plinth
If you hit two I didn't think so
If that's the case then I have been playing it wrong but I really thought the game tried to get you to two boons
frozen spear
If you have one and then sell it you can see him again I thought
doesn't matter if you sell him, you'll be offered his boons twice per run
silent ember
What aspect should I do next you reckon?
silent ember
I'm hoping to unlock my last aspect, which is the fists' 4th one
shy plinth
Is that documented anywhere? I haven't looked into the scripts
shy plinth
I'm hoping to unlock my last aspect, which is the fists' 4th one
I have good news and bad news lol
That is a very fun aspect but it is not... good
frozen spear
uh idk ask one of the dataminers
but the fact is you see hermes twice at most
and selling doesn't change anything
silent ember
That is a very fun aspect but it is not... good
Viability is a myth 😏
pseudo kernel
Once you get first hermes the game tries to give you second hermes
hoary pasture
I'm saying that if you need an asphodel sellable when you're targeting a duo or ...
That is indeed incorrect
2 Hermes whole run, and maybe third in styx
whether you sell it or not, doesnt matter
frozen spear
oh man I envy how much you're about to improve now that you know not to sell hermes
enjoy
pseudo kernel
bestia
silent ember
Don't have that unlocked rn
silent ember
limited blood,
shy plinth
Okay so this is legit a thing? I must have misunderstood the appearance of hermes in the shop in styx
silent ember
I'mma do Talos
pseudo kernel
what is legit a thing
frozen spear
styx shop is just 50% chance of hermes vs anvil
silent ember
Actually, vote 1 for Rama, 2 for Talos
pseudo kernel
2 Hermes whole run, and maybe third in styx
this?
shy plinth
Yeah
pseudo kernel
yeah that a thing
frozen spear
lmao it be like that sometimes
silent ember
How did I play like 400 hours of this game without knowing how things work
I mean hey it is a small detail, that's fine
shy plinth
@silent ember have you posted your pact and mirror setups yet
It is not a small detail
I basically committed to not getting hyper delivery for half of my 32s
pseudo kernel
lmao it be like that sometimes
yeah game weird and confusing
silent ember
<@243371749981290499> have you posted your pact and mirror setups yet
I have not
shy plinth
Worth doing
There are people here who understand game mechanics and also I am here
So we can all review together
silent ember
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984191666581811211/984897720638640138/unknown.png Well, this is what I almost always run
Changed Golden Touch to Deep Pockets
pseudo kernel
change dark regen
silent ember
what
pseudo kernel
change gods legacy
sonic marlin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984191666581811211/984897720638640138/unk...
Change dark regeneration to ch vitality
pseudo kernel
change privileged status
silent ember
ok imma have to stop u at privileged status
shy plinth
Family favorite is substantially better
pseudo kernel
reddit?
shy plinth
It gives you the 5% damage per god immediately starting in tart
You don't have to take crappy debuff boons any more either, your builds get so much more flexible and free
silent ember
~~reddit?~~
huh what
pseudo kernel
people on the reddit love privileged status
silent ember
You don't have to take crappy debuff boons any more either, your builds get so m...
Hey they're not crappy smh smh
I love my debuffs
shy plinth
Think about how many times you needed a Blinding Flash to do any damage
What if you just didn't
pseudo kernel
privileged status is inconsistent
would much rather just have a 25% buff on every run
silent ember
I'm a deliberate player so idk, I like that I have to work for such a bonus. But! I'll go for it
silent ember
Right
sonic marlin
I'm a deliberate player so idk, I like that I have to work for such a bonus. But...
Pstatus is for certain builds
silent ember
change gods legacy
What's wrong with legacy
shy plinth
Purple core boons good
silent ember
change dark regen
And this one I'm rly hesitant about bc I fr like, don't know what I'd do without the immense healing from dark regen
In exchange for just a trickle of HP every time I cross a door
pseudo kernel
3 hp every room is much better than a decent sized heal every once in a while
silent ember
Pstatus is for certain builds
Fair
sonic marlin
3*70=210
shy plinth
You heal 3 hp in every room in styx tunnels
sonic marlin
what immense healing is that
Probably taking darkness after bosses
pseudo kernel
dont need that
hoary pasture
Sure
pseudo kernel
just use fountain
hoary pasture
There's a fountain there
shy plinth
What do you mean max hp boost
sonic marlin
You heal 3 hp in every room in styx tunnels
Chitionic vitality and side hustle is op there
pseudo kernel
thats a work order
shy plinth
Yeah that's not related to the mirror
pseudo kernel
that isnt exclusive to dark regen
hoary pasture
If you're not running a cast build then it's not a huge deal
silent ember
Fair
frozen spear
And this one I'm rly hesitant about bc I fr like, don't know what I'd do without...
just try it out, I bet you'll learn quickly to love it
shy plinth
I hated dark regen tbh, I wanted healing going into bosses, not coming out of them
frozen spear
I maxed dark regen early because it looked op, was recommended vitality and haven't used dark regen since
frozen spear
stubborn has merit early on
it's really cheap to get isn't it
in contrast to all DDs
silent ember
Yup!
Plus it helped me a lot for learning the game, since whenever I'd mess up in a room I'd just get back up without worrying about like
"Oh no -1 DD"
frozen spear
also SD patty is so much better than DD patty
silent ember
Patty?
frozen spear
patroclus that is
silent ember
Oh, I don't recall what that does
I haven't seen Patroclus in so long, where the hell is he
sonic marlin
Elysium
frozen spear
DD patty refills all DDs, SD patty increases SD regen from 30% to 80% for 15 rooms
sonic marlin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984191666581811211/984899572973305896/unk...
Damn your mirror is great rn
frozen spear
which is broken
silent ember
Damn your mirror is great rn
🙏
silent ember
DD patty refills all DDs, SD patty increases SD regen from 30% to 80% for 15 roo...
Oh dang, that's awesome
shy plinth
Yep that's a good loadout
silent ember
Cheers
sonic marlin
also SD patty is so much better than DD patty
You will appreciate DD patty when you have a bad run at the beginning, can totally refresh your run
lone bridge
you should really really not be selling hermes
its fine if its like absolute garbage lmao (like +10% attack speed on nem?) but generally yeah you really shouldnt
shy plinth
The important lesson there is that it's worth making sure you don't take hermes garbo
sonic marlin
Whereas Deep Pockets just starts you with a flat amount of coin
Deep pockets is great because it is early, where you are doing your build, so it really really helps
shy plinth
Like I was passing on white hyper sprints because I would "just see him again later"
And I'd take side hustle instead as a sellable
The opportunity cost of a hermes boon screen is greater than I was assuming
silent ember
Deep pockets is great because it is early, where you are doing your build, so it...
That's entirely fair. When I was early in the game I did get advised to go for Golden Touch and it grew on me
sonic marlin
Those early game beliefs really give me nostalgia
frozen spear
it's good if you're at low heat and you don't need the early snowball effect of buying tartarus boons
sonic marlin
Those early game beliefs really give me nostalgia
Like in every game in the world
frozen spear
helps you buy styx meta currency
frozen spear
You will appreciate DD patty when you have a bad run at the beginning, can total...
yeah that's fair
but I feel like for me if you're at the point where DD patty is game changing, the run is just really bad and you'll keep losing DDs
whereas with SD every build appreciates him no matter what
shy plinth
The counterargument would be if you took a really long time to scrape together a duo-focused build or whatever
Something with a lot of pieces
frozen spear
yep you're right
shy plinth
But yeah generally agree that if you're dying a lot already you will probably keep dying
Maybe Beo
frozen spear
there's also the phenomenon of taking DD for easy stuff/speedrunning where you're very likely to win
vs taking SD for high heat where chance of winning is lower and thus patty is more important just because of that
shy plinth
left prism
Like I was passing on white hyper sprints because I would "just see him again la...
Late but this is just funny for me
Gotta have those extra 0.2 secs
lone bridge
Like I was passing on white hyper sprints because I would "just see him again la...
not taking an rd prereq lmao
shy plinth
Listen I'm not very smart okay
Sometimes things get missed in hundreds of hours of playtime when I'm not capable of counting to the number three
frozen spear
meh the game keeps a lot of stuff in the dark
shy plinth
I mean this was trackable with fingers on one hand
lone bridge
thats very true