#h1-high-heat-strategies

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dapper schooner
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-100% from Max HP sources

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50 hp for the whole run bouldy

jaunty falcon
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LC8: healing sources harm you

dapper schooner
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Ri5: -50% damage from backstab, -3hp while entering rooms, -3dds (when you die in a run zagreus takes 999 fall damage jumping out of the window on the next 3 runs)
bouldy

pseudo kernel
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RI8 should give enemies the mirror

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Including bosses

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Hades gets 3 more phases

dapper schooner
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em4 too easy

pseudo kernel
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So true bestie

dapper schooner
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theseus summons 3 more greek heroes to help him

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i cant think of any other than hercules

pseudo kernel
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You have to fight 3 more furies

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Including the secret 4th one

dapper schooner
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3 separate hp bars

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lernie has 3 main heads

pseudo kernel
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All three furies and three more furies doing the helping thing

dapper schooner
pseudo kernel
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Idk

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Just make them clones

dapper schooner
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also what would enemies get from the last 3 mirror options

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they cant get boons

pseudo kernel
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Not yet

dapper schooner
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other than theseus technically

pseudo kernel
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We should give them boons

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Dog was so fast

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So beautiful

hoary pasture
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Yea

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Also idk if the cast is what killed me

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I dont think it is

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It went past me

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But might be trap

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Although I thought it's meant to do 800% more

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I can upload heroes too I actually played it pretty well bouldy

dapper schooner
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he says the "youre stuck" voiceline

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which is for when you step on the pot

hoary pasture
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oh yea

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191 might be because sturdy

waxen relic
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I remember trying FO4 BP4. On Beo it's fine, but on other stuff no chance. shadeembarassed

hoary pasture
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Probably manageable on Zeus shield

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But yea it's rough

dapper schooner
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try fo4 em4 fists bouldy

devout quiver
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fo4 sounds interesting, bp4 sounds like nine circles of hell

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what about EM5?

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make bosses gain armor LawlsWoke

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or maybe em5 is just furies get armor, and there's all the way up to em8

hoary pasture
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BP4 is something

dapper schooner
hoary pasture
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It's very interesting

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have you seen EM4 Hades' double spin

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it's so interesting

dapper schooner
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is it possible to dodge without shield

hoary pasture
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maybe

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I think yes

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but its tight

dapper schooner
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spear throw was already bs on fo2

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i wonder how bad it is on fo4

hoary pasture
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Idk what's with the spear throw

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I barely get hit by it

dapper schooner
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youre just a gamer

hoary pasture
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The windup for it is massive

gaunt fiber
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You could cheat heat with BP

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Since certain perks will never be paired with others

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Adding BP is simply adding heat for almost free bouldy

hoary pasture
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You can see it in this mod

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Sometimes they only have 3 perks even if you have BP4

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Because I'm assuming it's rolling from all of the perks for the run

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So if you see enemies in Elysium that should've rolled cloners it would just be 3 perks

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Just an assumption

dapper schooner
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wait

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is cloner banned in ely?

left prism
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Cloner is tart only

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Aspho has the perk that makes enemies spit lava and ely has those weird pink copies after killing a blue man

dapper schooner
dapper schooner
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but i thought cloner was also just a normal one like slugger or speeder

left prism
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Luckily is not

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Cloner B.balls

strong abyss
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cloner šŸ˜”

frozen spear
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I think there are also second BPs that are incompatible with first ones

half heart
left prism
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Retrash is impressive

solemn pulsar
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yeah if you want to be impressed just watch every video (especially hades fight) on his channel

dapper schooner
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including his enter the gungeon videos

river saffron
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how viable is rama for a 55 heat run

hoary pasture
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Very

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What does your pact look like

river saffron
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ah i'm not online atm and don't know it from top of my head. pretty sure everything is full except -9 mirror upgrades and as a return i get to play 7 minutes per chamber

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i can show it tomorrow tho

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but i have a dionysus with special in my first room

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hence why i asked

hoary pasture
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hmm

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TD3 is worth 3 points of heat

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It's very strongly recommended that you take it at this point

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And if you struggle with it it's best to lower the heat and practice a bit because it'll come purely from that

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CP2 is a rough pact and so is EM4

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Alongside RI2

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You dont want all 3 of these for 55

river saffron
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i actuallg dont think i run cp2? like i said sorry i can't give you the pact

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definitely going for em4 tho!

jaunty falcon
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Whatā€™s the highest youā€™ve done

river saffron
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55 heat is kinda a farewell challenge to the game for me. and having em4 is a good final boss for that

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45

jaunty falcon
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Oohh

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Do 50 first

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45 to 50 alone is a huge jump

river saffron
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yeah people have been saying that

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but why does the size of the jump matter

jaunty falcon
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Well, ig it only matters because itā€™ll be a lot harder than anything youā€™ve encountered before

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But if you wanna try it, go for it

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Also, em4 with 1 dash is basically a death wish

river saffron
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what pact would you suggest

hoary pasture
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Because it's too difficult

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It's 5 heat but it's a gamechanger 5 heat

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From 45 to 50

river saffron
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no i mean

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what would your 55 pact look like

jaunty falcon
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I would never recommend td2 at 55

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Iā€™ll take a look at the high heat leaderboard

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Thereā€™s very little flexibility this high

hoary pasture
river saffron
hoary pasture
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RI2

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Remove RI2 add EM4

river saffron
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not jury summons?

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60% is a lot

jaunty falcon
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You need a dash

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For em4

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Unless itā€™s shield

hoary pasture
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Rama handles jury pretty well

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and again

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This is 55

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You have no other options

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I feel like RI on Rama is either RI0 or RI2

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You can mess with it, there is no 100% correct pact here but it's also good to have something going for you

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Instead of picking bad things from every pact

river saffron
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mmmm i think i actually do want r1 then. and remove jury and cp

jaunty falcon
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Are you using hellmode

hoary pasture
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Then you cant run hell mode

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CP1 is locked in on hell mode so yea

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If you dont want to remove that you're practically removing 2 points of heat

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idk i'd just familiarize myself with 50 heat pacts before jumping to 55

river saffron
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i have a hellmode and a normal mode

jaunty falcon
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Practice hellmode 50

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Another seed will come

hoary pasture
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Try clearing these

river saffron
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i mean i really appreciate that you guys are giving advice, but i will jump to 55 immediatly :p

hoary pasture
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gl

quartz mantle
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Rama values quality of boons and hammers over quantity of boons

hoary pasture
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It's a possibility

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But I dislike it

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EM4 AP1 RI2

cursive portal
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jumping to 55 gee

quartz mantle
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I think modded can pull off AP2 but playing that unmodded would just kinda be residentzag

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You donā€™t need boons outside of attack and some defensive ones like Athena, but those are very focused on specific boons instead of general many boons

hardy garden
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repulse relentless

cursive portal
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Relentless isnt bad its just not good

jaunty falcon
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Relentless volley: 3 -> 7
Twin shot: 1 -> 2

7/3 > 2/1

Relentless > twin shot

cursive portal
hoary pasture
dapper schooner
bronze rapids
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maffs? In my high heat channel?

gaunt fiber
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hold up

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thought it was mine

frozen spear
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it's all of our high heat channel comrades

pseudo kernel
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Our heat channel šŸ™

raw cloud
pastel coral
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which number run you guys think i will get a ||companion?||

raw cloud
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wrong channel

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probably

frozen spear
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wait there are ||companions|| in the game??

solar lance
solar lance
frozen spear
solar lance
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I mean they definitely helpā€¦so yeah

pseudo kernel
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šŸ—æ

strong abyss
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wait

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what

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@frozen spear

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r u joking?

rough root
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lol

strong abyss
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nah he is joking

frozen spear
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or am I

bronze rapids
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^^ example clear here

next acorn
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don't they use it like twice bouldy

frozen spear
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don't judge the insane AP2 highroll

dapper schooner
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i cant find that on ap0 most of the time

hoary pasture
frozen spear
dapper schooner
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around 1% i think

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because there are like 10 boons you can get from hermes initially if no call/plume

frozen spear
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lmao bruh

dapper schooner
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becacuse beo removes 2 hermes boons

frozen spear
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I love that about beo

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absolutely nothing worse than garbage like flurry cast

dapper schooner
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dont worry.

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you can still get swift strike

frozen spear
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oh I rolled plenty of swift flourishes into swift flourishes trust me

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at least swift strike has a chance of helping beo

dapper schooner
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ive never had a swift boon noticeably help me once

frozen spear
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well strike would definitely be preferable to flourish is my point

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since you might accidentally do standing strike

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whereas I bound special to nothing so I wouldn't accidentally use it

dapper schooner
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special has use in tart to kill the numbskull on the other side of the room pre cshot

frozen spear
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hm I suppose

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aiming special too hard on keyboard though :(

hoary pasture
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Swift flourish made my flare tiny once

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I couldnt replicate it thobouldy

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Also Iā€™m not sure itā€™s the swift flourish specifically

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But I pretty much sold it and it became tiny

frozen spear
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lol even hermes can be downgrade on AP2 apparently

hoary pasture
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Itā€™s probably not easy to replicate idk

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Never had it happen again

frozen spear
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how tiny we talking here

dapper schooner
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or atleast i dont find it that hard

frozen spear
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lol every time I try to use beo special for gold pot I miss

dapper schooner
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that happens to me too

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but its not that hard to hit actual enemies

frozen spear
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I suppose I should learn how to do that too

hoary pasture
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Oops

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Wrong thing

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Flare radius

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Thatā€™s what a tiny flare looks like

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Itā€™s not that easy to see tbh

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But if you wanna try it get an attack boon and sell it

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Itā€™s only a thing with icy flare and passion flare

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Other flares can become tiny but they readjust every chamber

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So itā€™s not harmful

dapper schooner
frozen spear
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lol

dapper schooner
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its so broken

frozen spear
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tiny flood flare would be wild

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there goes half its use case

hoary pasture
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I also lost that fight

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Still salty about it

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After 5 months

frozen spear
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because of tiny?

hoary pasture
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No

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Because Iā€™m trash lmao

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I had 6 minutes

frozen spear
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smh should've used as excuse

dapper schooner
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imagine losing 53 heat tiny flare couldnt be me

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i would only lose 33 heat tiny flare bouldy

frozen spear
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wonder what's reasonable limit on beo

hoary pasture
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55

dapper schooner
frozen spear
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wait what's left alone on 55

hoary pasture
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Itā€™s 60

frozen spear
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all RI obviously

hoary pasture
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But itā€™s not reasonable

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Itā€™s an awful grind

frozen spear
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oh DC2 duh

hoary pasture
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55 is RI0 yea

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Reminder to take hourglass

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This is a 3 sack

frozen spear
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seems like you could cshot everything with one hammer and then gamble on anvil showing up

dapper schooner
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very gamer

hoary pasture
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Indeed

frozen spear
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jesus beo unmodded

hoary pasture
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I have about 300 attempts in Beo 60 heat

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Made it once to the dad fight and lost because I also played like trash

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So yea Iā€™m not grinding it again

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Dc2 RI2 beo is just so bad

frozen spear
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did you have like a lvl2 cast lol

hoary pasture
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No

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A lv4

dapper schooner
frozen spear
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that's probably as highroll as it gets for beo

hoary pasture
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Angelā€™s run took like 900 attempts if not more

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Thereā€™s just so much you need

dapper schooner
hoary pasture
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Poms alone are a pain

frozen spear
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then patty rng

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and managing TD3 without cshot?

hoary pasture
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You donā€™t really need him

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I donā€™t think Angel had patty

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Iā€™m not sure

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But Td3 is pain yes

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DC slows you down a lot

frozen spear
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how do people do FO2 HL5 dad without patty lmao

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especially EM4

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I can't even imagine

hoary pasture
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You just have to be good

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ez bouldy

frozen spear
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so that's why I can't imagine huh

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rip

hoary pasture
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But Beo is also monstrous in that fight

dapper schooner
frozen spear
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how to beat high heat? just get the right boons

hoary pasture
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The 55 I posted has no patty bouldy

frozen spear
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bruh

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sudden rush beo meta right?

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  • EM4
hoary pasture
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I like it but itā€™s not like totally the right choice or anything

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People also choose Breaching and Ferocious

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I just like Sudden

frozen spear
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what about the better charged hammer

hoary pasture
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Minotaur rush?

frozen spear
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wait what's even the name of it I forgot

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charged flight?

hoary pasture
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For the Special?

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Itā€™s pretty bad

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And if you mean Minotaur itā€™s also very niche

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Takes so long to charge

dapper schooner
frozen spear
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no I meant the special crap

dapper schooner
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atleast tahts what ive heard

hoary pasture
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Yes

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It used to be a bigger %

frozen spear
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you know early on I remember minotaur rush being insane

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third hell mode escape was carried by cshot minotaur combo

frozen spear
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good beo special must've been fun

hoary pasture
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With cshot itā€™s better

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But still quite situational I wouldnt go out of my way to get it/use it especially on Beo

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Itā€™s just slow and most of your damage is from the casts so being able to shoot casts faster is just better

waxen relic
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thanthink current Beo meta is stronger than charged flight Beo was

hoary pasture
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Current Beo meta is get a few boons and one shot everything bouldy

cursive portal
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you either die in RI2 tart, or live long enough to time out in elysium bouldy

next acorn
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Sudden is comfy

raw cloud
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i figured out the optimal 32 pact šŸ¤—

pseudo kernel
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oh nice

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imma use this later

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ty

raw cloud
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np dusa

pseudo kernel
raw cloud
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you can also swap out fo1 for dc2 hs, especially on beo

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dc is free on beo

pseudo kernel
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oh ye thats a good idea

frozen spear
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modded guan yu 40 heat is easy right?

left prism
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GL

frozen spear
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turns out guaranteed cskewer is strong

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breaking news

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man having lava not instantly kill me is such a breath of fresh air

frozen spear
cursive portal
hoary pasture
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Just run HL5 šŸ—æ

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GGs tho

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Modded Guan yu op

cursive portal
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HS0 šŸ—æ

bronze rapids
cursive portal
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lesbian corner jump stare seizure

bronze rapids
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That sounds like a band name

cursive portal
inland warren
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Hey question but does the limit go up when you beat a run?

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Like with my efforts of doing it I wonder why it says heat exceeded

dapper schooner
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if by limit you mean the amount of heat needed to get the bounty rewards, then yeah it goes up by one each time you clear with a heat equal to or higher than the bounty heat

inland warren
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Ah I see

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So trying to flip every heat option is a bad idea

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Won't get rewards then

dapper schooner
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the only "downside" is that youre making the run harder than it needs to be

inland warren
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Wait I can put it higher and get the rewards?

dapper schooner
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but for example if you jump to 20 heat immediately when the required heat is 1, youll only get the reward for 1 heat

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you wont get the reward for 1 through 20 all at once

inland warren
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Oh so it only gives you one reward

dapper schooner
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yes

inland warren
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Hm well there goes that idea

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Funny because I was about to do it but knowing this I guess I'll wait

astral peak
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is demeter fist good for like 42 heat?

shy plinth
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That's a very specific number

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It's fine, not remarkable really

astral peak
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and whats a good weapon to pair with dio in that heat

shy plinth
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These are really specific questions lol

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Why dio

hoary pasture
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You can pair Dio with like Chiron

shy plinth
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Or lucy or eris if you really want to

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Or beo

hoary pasture
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You can also pair him with other things like Sword and Fists and Spear and whatnot but at 42 heat you can still get anyheat build so it's just gonna be inferior to other options

shy plinth
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Beo is probs the real answer

frozen spear
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beo is always the answer

shy plinth
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Unless you're on ap2 cf2 ri

astral peak
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i like beo but im gonna add that i want to play with non hidden aspect

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šŸ˜„

strong abyss
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._.

astral peak
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demeter is so rad

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id like to clear a 40+ run with it

shy plinth
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I mean it seems like you have a plan already then

lime elk
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every time i take acorn in ely i get elysium'd, and every time i take earring heroes destroy me
how 2 win??

lime elk
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i take tooth in aspho

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wait who said tooth

hardy garden
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take god keepsake thanthink

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and dint die to lernie ez

lime elk
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yes but i only need one boon

hardy garden
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what you using

pseudo kernel
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zag shield

hardy garden
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athena free dd thanthink

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just be luckier

lime elk
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which god keepsake should i take

jaunty falcon
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Athena

hardy garden
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titan toppler into last stand gg ez

lime elk
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what's titan toppler

jaunty falcon
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Divine dash early access name

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It was really slow

lime elk
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the dash was slow?

pseudo kernel
lime elk
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it gave you a startup to your dash??

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and then made you dash even faster??
so the deflect is useless??

pseudo kernel
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kinda

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pretty good

quartz mantle
lime elk
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i meant spearpoint not earring

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oops

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might try earring tho, that sounds interesting considering i'm always at low health

quartz mantle
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Earring is good for flat damage soup builds

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Like Zeus or cast builds

lime elk
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probably wouldn't make much of a difference considering aphro attack tho, might need to try it with arte attack

next acorn
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TITAN TOPPLER

gaunt fiber
pseudo kernel
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šŸ˜³

cursive portal
lime elk
left prism
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Mood

lime elk
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how am i supposed to beat em3 with zag shield they have way too much health

hoary pasture
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kill them

frozen spear
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been there

cursive portal
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But also kill asterius first hes a massive annoyance

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Do not move your block a single goddamm pixel from asterius

next acorn
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Kill them

lime elk
left prism
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You move your block a bit and you bet asterius is gonna ignore that block

lime elk
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ah

frozen spear
quiet mountain
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asterius spin stinx

lime elk
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i didn't even get spin i just died

left prism
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My 50 heat win left heroes at 19 hp with no revives, kinda scary fight

lime elk
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what if demeter attack on zag shield

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maybe with pash dash

hoary pasture
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Demeter attack is good

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Used it for a couple of things at 50

lime elk
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is it still a viable alternative to hb strike if you don't get killing freeze or a weak applier

hoary pasture
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You don't really need either of those

quartz mantle
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Chill good

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You know whatā€™s better than taking 30% less damage when you get hit?

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Not getting hit

lime elk
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timed out at tis fight
gonna take that as a bad sign

left prism
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How good is dem %?

hoary pasture
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Epic Dem is like rare Aphro ish

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But the pom scaling is worse

quiet mountain
white cargo
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o h

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what would the best 4 heat modifier be?

pseudo kernel
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That + tight deadline

white cargo
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b/c i usually take 20+ mins for the whole run

hoary pasture
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TD1 is 36 minutes

mossy zinc
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If you need around 20 minutes, TD2 should be easily doable and TD1 would be free Heat.

hardy garden
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asterius be liek

pseudo kernel
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Bull man moment

hardy garden
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there the righter one bouldy

pseudo kernel
quiet mountain
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his head charge gets stupid at times

quartz mantle
white cargo
dapper schooner
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imagine if td3 was 5 min for the whole run

next acorn
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Just be 185 or Croven lol

bronze rapids
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we'd just stop taking it dusa

raw cloud
cursive portal
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:croven:

solemn pulsar
astral peak
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Not*

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I could play better and dodge more stuff but still i think i could build better too

hoary pasture
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What build are you trying

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And what does your pact look like

shy plinth
# astral peak Is mot working

That's why I was asking questions about why your pre existing plan was so specific when you're also here for advice

mossy zinc
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Nyaanyaa's 40 Heat Guide
A standard 40 Heat pact has:

HL5 LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS TD3

That adds up to 37. In Hell mode, you'll also naturally get JS1 CP1 PL, so you're already done with a 40 Heat pact.

In normal mode, the last three Heat depending on aspect, build, and personal preference are typically some combination of CF1-2, JS1, DC2, and AP1.

So Rama, for example, would just take DC2 because that's pretty free and then one Heat from either CF1 or JS1 depending on what you like. While Hestia would definitely avoid DC2 and instead pick some combination of CF1-2 JS1 and AP1 depending on which you find less bothersome or more fun.

lime elk
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the best beo hammer for high heat is sudden rush right

jaunty falcon
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Ferocious is good too

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Non em4 can take cshot

hoary pasture
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Breaching can be nice

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Against EM4 summons for example

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And it just gets good value in rooms overall and Lernie

lime elk
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man after being stuck in the zag shield vortex for so long i tried beo and got to hades on my third try

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didn't even get pat or snow burst, rng wasn't that great

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beo best

frozen spear
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beo gang beo gang beo gang

lime elk
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not even a convert, i'm deconverting from zag shield (annoying and stupid and bad)

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was beo gang before, i love beowulf beowulf is so good

frozen spear
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stygian beo with ice wine and scintillating feast is op

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best build

lime elk
frozen spear
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I also like to get mirage shot with that

lime elk
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highrolls beyond highrolls

frozen spear
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lol remember my first beo 50 attempt

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high level passion flare, snow burst, divine dash, mirage shot first room of elysium

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now that was highroll

lime elk
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didn't realize you didn't even need snowburst, frost strike does the job just fine

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% boost on cast zagluv

frozen spear
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frost strike is really really strong tbh

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helps keep dad at trivial 10chill

lime elk
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this is my first em4 run at higher than 10 heat

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i don't like learning attack patterns

frozen spear
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lol same

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I was like wait how does this guy attack again

left prism
frozen spear
left prism
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beo good but i cant play it to save my life bouldy

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i only know trippy flare

frozen spear
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hm that's weird

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I find beo to have a really low skill floor

left prism
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idk why i cant wrap my head around on high heat beo lol

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like i still have 40 with it but then it just became ron

frozen spear
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what do you struggle with

left prism
#

no clue tbh bouldy

#

i resigned to playing beo for high heat anyways

#

zag shield easier to use

frozen spear
#

rude

#

wait why do you know trippy but not flood/passion lol

left prism
#

i know trippy as the only one i've been playing for a while lol

frozen spear
#

I just mean like isn't stygian harder

#

since you can't just assblast every scary BP group with full casts

left prism
#

i get tilted too much on flood cuz i try to speedrun then nothing goes my way and for passion i just die dusa

#

oh i dont use trippy for high heat lol

#

only for funny em4 fights

frozen spear
#

maybe you're aiming into walls too much

#

that's what I struggled the most with when switching from 32 flood to 40-50 passion

lime elk
#

i just highrolled snowburst in tart with ap2

left prism
#

gaming

lime elk
#

the only bad luck i got was drunken dash level 4

#

no poms on cast or snowburst

left prism
#

ap2 poms moment

frozen spear
#

wait let me find my cursed AP2 pom rng

left prism
#

ofc the ap2 RD

lime elk
#

wait what keepsake should i take in aspho

frozen spear
#

uhhhh

lime elk
#

since i already got snow burst

#

mom pom

frozen spear
#

what gods in pool?

lime elk
#

dio aphro dem

frozen spear
#

well it's AP2 so maybe athena isn't right choice

#

mike once recommended earring to speed up aspho

left prism
#

hourglass if well is juicy can be good/tooth if scared of dying/purse maybe?

frozen spear
#

purse is a good one

lime elk
#

well yeah i definitely need the time

frozen spear
#

blossom is weak in aspho sadly

lime elk
#

purse isn't that good because cf2

#

right?

frozen spear
#

what lvl cast?

lime elk
#

1

frozen spear
#

rip

#

tbh I'd run blossom at that point lmao

left prism
#

earring prob if you are missing dmg

lime elk
#

i'll take earring

left prism
#

or idk just skip the biome

frozen spear
#

wait what's minimum number of asphodel normal room fights

left prism
#

pray for eury for that +1 pom

lime elk
#

wait i'm at 70% hp with lc4 lmaoooo

#

i just don't get hit bouldy

frozen spear
#

cracked

lime elk
#

probably should've taken mom pom
level 1 cast lernie fight

frozen spear
#

lol

left prism
#

thats gonna be a nice elysium

lime elk
#

yuuuup

#

at least i have a +40% cast bonus and rare killing freeze

frozen spear
#

one time I entered elysium with full FF and lvl7 epic passion on AP2

#

died first room to BP2 shieldbros

left prism
#

whats your timer at btw?

lime elk
#

8:08

frozen spear
#

that's good

lime elk
#

aaaaaaaa level 3 lightning reflexes

#

i hate my luck

frozen spear
#

best zeus boon tbh

lime elk
#

lightning reflexes gotta be the most useless boon that doesn't actively harm you

#

or that, yeah

shy plinth
#

Poseidon tier 2s

lime elk
#

i got pat!!

lime elk
frozen spear
#

push push push

#

acorn?

lime elk
lime elk
frozen spear
#

lvl3 is good enough to win I think

left prism
#

is this em4 or nah?

frozen spear
#

AP2 EM4 would be sus

lime elk
#

i guess i am sus

frozen spear
#

wait what heat is this

left prism
#

50?

frozen spear
#

AP2 EM4 on 50 would be intensely sus

lime elk
#

uhhhhhh

left prism
#

at 50 is kinda sus yeah

#

but its beo so dusa

left prism
lime elk
#

yeah i played with ap1 for a little bit but that was with js3 and i always timed out at lernie

frozen spear
#

bro

#

get JS to max asap

lime elk
#

so i brought ap2, got it down to js1, and removed hs

frozen spear
#

it's beo

lime elk
#

it's em4

frozen spear
#

beo don't care how many enemies there are

left prism
#

wait no HS?

lime elk
#

i need all the time i can get

lime elk
left prism
#

why would you hate hyper sprint tho

lime elk
frozen spear
#

well I guess the EM3 50 option needs HS and AP2

lime elk
#

all i wanted was to keep god's pride

frozen spear
#

if you don't know EM4 I think you should just run the pact I had

lime elk
#

and dark foresight ofc

frozen spear
#

leaving EM4 CP2 DC2 RI0 on the table

#

that's 50

pseudo kernel
#

Dc2 bouldy

frozen spear
#

you can swap DC1 with CP2

pseudo kernel
lime elk
#

dc2?

pseudo kernel
#

Chad pact

lime elk
#

i mean i guess i could make it work with snow bust

#

but still

left prism
#

chad build tbh

frozen spear
#

DC2 is awful with beo

#

DC1 is manageable

left prism
#

also RR gaming, nice

pseudo kernel
#

No

frozen spear
#

bruh +70% chaos

#

wtf

jaunty falcon
#

And epic rd

frozen spear
#

wait wtf that's two chaos shots

#

and a grasp

lone bridge
#

damn lucky lmao

left prism
jaunty falcon
#

I really like this pact tbh

pseudo kernel
#

I had a beo 50 a couple days ago that had 2 purple shots

frozen spear
#

mirage in shambles

jaunty falcon
#

Itā€™s good fun

pseudo kernel
#

Then died to 4 sack and em4

frozen spear
#

ew unmodded 50

left prism
#

ew 50 heat

pseudo kernel
#

Pathetic modded players

frozen spear
#

ew 50 heat

pseudo kernel
#

Git gud without cheats

jaunty falcon
frozen spear
#

@berserker queen

jaunty falcon
#

So true

left prism
pseudo kernel
#

šŸ—æ

frozen spear
#

mods literally teleport you from chamber 2 to dad fight

#

broken

jaunty falcon
#

Mods guarantee that you hit every free room

#

And never see an unarmored enemy

frozen spear
#

mods give you four fountains per floor

pseudo kernel
#

That's just routed

jaunty falcon
#

Modded = routed confirmed

left prism
#

mods lets you see all free rooms but is always like shop and fountain, fountain and free room

frozen spear
#

actually modded isn't cheating because it doesn't guarantee you fastest chaos room layout

#

that would be broken

#

small square chaos op

left prism
#

guaranteed 1 sack

pseudo kernel
#

I heard a guy used mods to manip their chamber rewards and crit rates

jaunty falcon
#

Would have WRd if not for the 3 dash chaos gate

frozen spear
#

guaranteed 0sack, enter styx and straight to dad

jaunty falcon
pseudo kernel
#

Who's that

jaunty falcon
#

Really likes special only Rama

pseudo kernel
#

šŸ—æ

#

I want to see that run

frozen spear
#

r!pasta rama

pseudo kernel
#

Never got to see it

jaunty falcon
#

It got every single component of a doom Rama run

pseudo kernel
#

ME?

jaunty falcon
#

Except that lmao

frozen spear
#

curse of longing >> ME

lime elk
#

i am entering styx with level 2 passion flare
everything else is great
what is my life

jaunty falcon
#

Can still win

pseudo kernel
jaunty falcon
frozen spear
#

wait where did lvl3 passion go

lime elk
frozen spear
#

lol rip

#

it's okay just get epic sweet surrender

lime elk
#

ok bouldy

left prism
#

just get RD

jaunty falcon
#

I won with level 2 flare ignore smair Zeus aid, second wind, epic evasion, RR

frozen spear
#

RD sucks

#

common RD = epic sweet surrender + ravenous will

left prism
#

isnt common rav will like 10% and epic sweet surrender 20-22%?

pseudo kernel
#

Yeah

#

Common rav will does nothing

jaunty falcon
#

Both epic is 50% total

frozen spear
#

rarity matters too much imo

pseudo kernel
#

Demeter just kinda sucks

frozen spear
#

like rarity diff between stuff like RW and billowing strength is insane

left prism
#

Dem moment

jaunty falcon
#

Dem is cool if you get all of her boons at heroic rarity with a fat RD on top of that

#

Apart from that sheā€™s ass

frozen spear
#

at least my baby frozen touch doesn't care about rarity

left prism
#

also doom being 50 at common and 100 at epic dusa, mod that allows epic hermes and doom so ME can run legacy when

frozen spear
#

best demeter boon tbh

lime elk
#

20:38 VICTORY

#

I BEAT THE TIGHT DEADLINE

#

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

frozen spear
#

šŸŽ‰šŸŽ‰šŸŽ‰

lime elk
#

i beat 50 heat i'm so happy

left prism
#

Gaming

#

now go boast šŸ”«dusa

lime elk
#

why do i want to try 55 heat now

#

this shouldn't be happening 50 heat was supposed to be the end

left prism
#

good luck have fun dusa

mossy zinc
raw cloud
#

did you know that mods are actually cheating they give you c1 merciful end

bronze rapids
#

you still need to roll a relevant doom and deflect boon dusa

cursive portal
lime elk
#

beo better

cursive portal
bronze rapids
#

nice pfp

jaunty falcon
pseudo kernel
#

Bull man laggin

#

300 ping

hardy garden
#

what thats a thing too bouldy

#

asterius ai

bronze rapids
#

AIsterius

cursive portal
dapper schooner
frozen spear
#

I think zeus special is indeed the best chiron build tbh

#

aoe is so helpful

quiet mountain
#

best chrion build is heart rend or low taller ants

left prism
#

Taller ants

quiet mountain
#

tolerance

cursive portal
#

Ant movie script when

bronze rapids
#

can't seem to start threads...

clever otter
#

i think theyre disabled here

quartz mantle
#

The best Chiron build is playing a different bow

frozen spear
#

is chiron worse than hera high heat?

jaunty falcon
#

Probably not

mossy zinc
#

I think Chiron is better.

jaunty falcon
#

Both are pretty bad

mossy zinc
#

Yeah.

frozen spear
#

but I really did like zeus special

#

got wrecked by asterius on 40 heat because I'm a moron but it still felt good up until then

mossy zinc
#

Ew.

devout quiver
#

Chiron with Aphro Attack and Dio or Atermis special is my favorite build in the game tbh

quartz mantle
#

It sure is cathartic to melt EM4 with the right build it's just

#

gl getting that build at higher heats

#

perfect hammers, a duo, good rarity on special, chaos

devout quiver
#

ez, just dont play higher heat

quartz mantle
#

I mean fair

devout quiver
#

or well, just dont play RI/AP

pseudo kernel
#

imagine playing high heat

quartz mantle
#

50 heat aka max heat without AP or RI on normal mode

devout quiver
#

seems like a normal 50 heat pact to me CatNod

next acorn
cursive portal
bronze rapids
nocturne stag
#

Any advice for 32 heat Arthur?

quartz mantle
#

Percentage attack, preferably Aphrodite, grab up Athena for any of your other cores, try to get DDs and then simply never die

#

Stay away from DC, RI, AP, or EM4

#

If you donā€™t like FO2 you can drop down to FO1 and just max out HL

#

Idk how well a FO0 pact would look

#

Would probably have to be HL5 and TD3 with some extra tiers of JS

nocturne stag
#

Luckily I've been using fo2 for awhile, so using that isn't a major problem

frozen spear
#

TD3 is safe on arthur

#

it always has good enough dps to clear rooms fast

rough root
#

I should use TD3 more, it's really just 20min and I rarely go slower than that

dapper schooner
#

definitely try it out, even if you time out it'll help you go faster in the future and get better

frozen spear
#

for casual games I dislike TD3

#

don't like feeling compelled to skip trials and taking useless shops etc

#

but yeah it's a good skill to have because 6 heat that doesn't actively try to murder you is op

hoary pasture
#

You donā€™t have to do any of those tbh

#

The timer isnā€™t that tight

bronze rapids
#

trials aren't bad on TD3

#

the risk is more of buffed enemies than time

#

Athena still free

flat flicker
#

sounds like youā€™re there

rough root
#

yeah for sure

dawn comet
#

What is a good 32 heat pact set?
[With the disclaimer that I find FO the hardest to deal with, especially in combination with other pacts.]

mossy zinc
dawn comet
#

Thx v much

dawn comet
#

Still too hard for me shadegrief
Think I'll need to build up slowly from 20 > 32 rather than making the leap

hoary pasture
#

Much better idea

#

Jumping from <20 to 32 is hard

#

Get used to some of the tougher pacts that you struggle with and start mixing them up until you're comfortable with it

neat sonnet
#

Just my thoughts as someone who did jump from <20 to 32, itā€™s definitely hard, but I also found that being purposeful with your choices in game based on which pacts were killing me was handy, i.e. focus on dodging as opposed to killing stuff for a couple runs, knowing that you wonā€™t necessarily win. Also making sure youā€™re using real builds etc. (Guan Yu for life tho <3)

dawn comet
#

Yeah for sure the higher pacts do highlight my weaknesses. I need to re-learn the timings for many attacks at fo1 and 2.
Also maybe I should stick with 1~3 weapons as keeping yourself alive feels quite different with each

neat sonnet
#

it's definitely different! personally I'd recommend just kinda keeping fo2 on to familiarize yourself with it, it's super weird flipping back and forth between the settings for that. also playing with LC4 constantly is a good way to see how much of a crutch healing is, works the same way in my eyes as HL to incentivize learning how to dodge. definitely feel it out yourself as you have the chance to practice.

forest token
#

on the other hand, if you keep playing on 32 heat repeatedly you'll get used to it and it'll get easier, which is what i did

neat sonnet
#

this, this is true

#

i canā€™t remember the exact circumstances but it kind of took one afternoon of just playing 32 for it to click with me and i got my first clear

forest token
#

Make sure you have the proper pacts on as well because some are def easier to manage than others

neat sonnet
#

check the pins for a (maybe still pretty accurate?) guide that was written up in late 2020 for heat to take to get 32

#

personally I found LC4 and FO2 to just force me to play better in general so I took them

dawn comet
#

Yeah I saw those pins and they are pretty useful. There's a guide to the acronyms too for anyone like me who keeps forgetting them

#

Mostly i just need to get better at avoiding damage.
It's unfortunate that I'm too slow to consistently get <20min runs

mossy zinc
# dawn comet Mostly i just need to get better at avoiding damage. It's unfortunate that I'm ...

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You don't need to be able to get sub 10 times to beat 32+ Heat, but knowing speedrun tactics and strategies will only help you.

bronze rapids
#

I did a few easy 40s before getting sub 10 low heat

solemn pulsar
#

much respect

jaunty falcon
#

Oh man

#

Wasnā€™t it 72 mins

solemn pulsar
#

got like a 200 streak on a hell mode file that started from a clear at run 3

#

did a lot of give ups to retry seeds

#

but still v impressive

lime elk
#

unmodded ap2 triple bomb targeting system

#

clearly carried by heart of stone tho

left prism
#

Minimalist build

pseudo kernel
#

Massive gamering

neat sonnet
#

luci moment

cursive portal
#

FO1 too thanthink

neat sonnet
#

didnā€™t even notice

solemn pulsar
dapper schooner
#

lucy is surprising

mossy zinc
#

Well, I don't suppose the meta overall has changed too much in terms of builds etc. So not completely out of the loop, I guess. But certainly in terms of what anyone's accomplished recently.

solemn pulsar
mossy zinc
#

Well, I haven't paid attention to anything Hades since the final SFV patch a couple months ago.

frozen spear
#

a recent subreddit post made me really start to think about infernal vs stygian for boiling

#

I've been running exclusively stygian for removing lightning rod and improving hermes on both regular and legendary pool

#

but infernal means missing cast on boss isn't a big deal and opens chaos slippery curse which is no problem for non cast builds

hoary pasture
#

If you're not on a cast weapon Infernal is nice but it depends on what you're doing

frozen spear
#

any sweat thoughts?

hoary pasture
#

Lightning Rod is a good boon

#

Ill take it almost all the time

frozen spear
#

so this is all assuming I use cast just for boiling

#

oh yeah infernal also makes ravenous more viable

hoary pasture
#

Well

#

Sort of ig?

#

Stygian is 3 seconds worth of Rav Will

#

Which is decent

frozen spear
#

I feel like infernal ravenous is just better though

hoary pasture
#

Infernal is easier to keep up tho because you can just lodge them and forget about it

#

It might be

frozen spear
#

hm so you think opening lightning rod isn't actually a bad thing

#

alright

hoary pasture
#

Oh yes

#

Lightning Rod is actually amazing

#

On weapons that dont rely on their cast

frozen spear
#

but nerfing hermes makes me skittish tbh

#

I'll have to start picking it up then

hoary pasture
#

At High heat you're not expecting much from Hermes are you

#

Like a +1 dash or something

#

You just take it and move on

frozen spear
#

don't look at my AP2 RD lol

hoary pasture
#

Cant reset for things like RD

#

And whatever

#

Yea it happens

frozen spear
#

ok that's fair

hoary pasture
#

I dont have an AP2 RD but I have this

frozen spear
#

lmao wtf

#

casual lvl3 smair

hoary pasture
#

The sheer amount of poms

#

Well anyway

#

Stygian vs Infernal is usually preference I feel like

frozen spear
#

extra free chaos curse sounds really nice tbh

#

and I do prefer infernal to stygian strictly for the sake of applying boiling

#

so I guess I'll switch over and see how it goes

hoary pasture
#

What weapon are you doing

frozen spear
#

eh just most non cast aspects in general

#

like I was trying chiron 40 the other day

hoary pasture
#

I enjoy Infernal for Tartarus aswell, it's so good there on a lot of weapons

frozen spear
#

oh very good point

#

alright I'm convinced, I'll switch over most of the time

#

thanks mike

hoary pasture
#

Just try it out see how it goes

#

I usually look at it in terms of utility overall, as opposed to straight up Chaos and Hermes numbers, no clear better between the two

#

imo

#

I run Infernal on Beo all the time it's kinda gud

frozen spear
#

nope bad idea, dio infernal is very poor

#

and trippy flare is only flare

hoary pasture
#

Been ages since I played Trippy

#

So pain to speedrun

#

Last time I played it tho I got a nice build

#

This is a blursed run

#

I think I got a natural Artemis in Tart, then forced Poseidon in Asphodel, took an enshrouded Chaos, missed the Poseidon miniboss, forced Poseidon in Elysium then forced Arty for Styx

#

For Mirage

frozen spear
#

lol lvl7 mirage trippy x4

hoary pasture
#

And my well items were goated ofc

#

But none of them last

#

Because no hourglass

frozen spear
#

and you even got mistral dash

#

op

hoary pasture
#

ofc

frozen spear
#

tbh in my 50 runs I wasn't unhappy to see mistral dash

#

decent chill applier

hoary pasture
#

It's a good pick

#

Demeter one of the nicer gods to see

#

On Beowulf

frozen spear
#

epic ravenous oh man

#

frost strike is also best strike

mossy zinc
hoary pasture
#

I used to underestimate rod

#

But it's gud

#

Free damage

#

You dont even have to do anything bouldy

mossy zinc
#

I've been saying it's actually quite nice since Early Access when the damage was lower. And it's way better now.

#

It's, like, Exit Wounds if Exit Wounds was good.

next acorn
#

Rod good

bronze rapids
#

add static for even more good

neat sonnet
#

thoughts on GY builds/heat for 40? Iā€™ve done 32 but I know things pick up a fair bit at 40

left prism
#

Build the same as always, slap charged skewer and aphro special and call it a day, not sure on pact tho

neat sonnet
#

glad to hear that aphro special n charged is the way, thoughts on supporting gods, or is it just enough still to not care too much and just try for divine dash

left prism
#

Il take any athena just for the DDs

#

Well call too but that one doesnt open DDs

neat sonnet
#

sounds good, thatā€™s in hopes of storing the extra one under your SD right? (itā€™s been a while lol)

left prism
#

Ye

neat sonnet
#

pog

#

cheers <3

left prism
#

Im fond of zeus call too for smoldering air

#

Iframes/dmg gud

neat sonnet
#

ah smair šŸ„°

#

we love a good smair for sure

hoary pasture
#

Can always go for Merciful End

neat sonnet
#

ME is a lot of setup for me to pop off usually but it is real good

hoary pasture
#

Might take a few tries but should be rather straight forward

#

Either way you can just stick to Aphro or Artemis Special with Charged Skewer and that's all you need

neat sonnet
#

alrighty sounds good

quartz mantle
#

The GY Pact for 40 is pretty normal, just wanna stay away from DC and AP, the things you'd expect from a hammer reliant aspect

neat sonnet
#

got it - appreciate the advice yā€™all

bronze rapids
#

I actually did AP1 for GY 40 just to not deal with CF and CP

hoary pasture
#

AP1 can be fine if you dont mind resetting for Charged Skewer a bit harder

#

Or if you play modded

dawn comet
#

Do ppl remember what their first 32 heat aspect + build were?

left prism
#

Average Eris build for me

dapper schooner
#

same

hoary pasture
left prism
#

Such meta slaves

#

Smh

hoary pasture
#

ikr

#

I only play non meta builds now

#

Such as Flood Flare Beowulf

upper juniper
#

just play things that sound like they should be good

#

it works 1000% of the time

left prism
#

As someone who tried artic blast eris, i disagree

dawn comet
#

I should give eris more time. I default to hestia if I'm trying a tough run

left prism
#

Hestia is bestia

dawn comet
#

I think fists and sword will be too hard for me,I'll always make killer mistakes in some encounter and just lose all my health

left prism
#

You mean in general or 32+?

dawn comet
#

32 specifically

left prism
#

Are you using lc4?

#

Losing all health shouldnt be that bad

dawn comet
#

I'm working my way up slowly, last escape was 25

#

Lc4 is impossible for me

#

I'm sticking heat anywhere else just to not have to use lc4

left prism
#

I see, cant offer much help then

#

My first 32 i think i used DDs but nowadays i just slap lc4

dawn comet
#

Yeah I tried sd but 30% is not enough for me

#

The chance of me making it through the whole game at 32 heat with 2x 30% is basically nil

left prism
#

Do you know about the athena DDs thing?

#

Do you check charon wells for touch of styx?

dawn comet
#

Yeah I could insist on athena build

dapper schooner
left prism
lime elk
forest token
lime elk
#

though the life affirmation in tart was really what made the build

#

446 hp

left prism
dawn comet
#

Nice

forest token
#

oh that seems busted

left prism
#

Both of refills also give their effects to the sd so you get more invencibility + recovered hp

lime elk
#

my second 32 heat clear was 600 hp divine strike gilgamesh

dawn comet
#

I'm angling towards chiron because I can put dc2 on. I could use that with eris too.
I'm also forcing myself to take td3 because it's too hard trying to make up the 3 heat deficit elsewhere

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Anyway thanks for all the replies, not just to help but it's also just interesting hearing your experiences

left prism
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You dont really want dc2 on chiron imo