:croven:
#h1-high-heat-strategies
next acorn
honest kernel
what is croven
raw cloud
cant submit your runs if your computer dies in the middle of playing 
cursive portal
Victory screen only
cursive portal
"ALWAYS select PRIVILEGED STATUS on the Mirror of Nyx and pump it up with Darkness to the max.
It grants you a 50% damage buff to any target suffering from two status effects, making your attacks extremely powerful when combined with the right boons. Afflicting your enemies with 2 or more status curses while having Privileged Status on will make you (almost) unstoppable."
left prism
cursive portal
"Start with Ares' Keepsake. Go for Boons that inflict DOOM and at least another status effect.
Power up my Attack and Special.
Enter Chaos Gate early, pick Boons who either give me more damage OR make me gain more Coin (as this wealth you'll acquire will pay off later).
SWITCH Keepsakes in between Levels (buy this at the House Contractor guy)
Stack up on Health (Centaur Hearts).
Switch Keepsake again to find ARTEMIS. Pick her CALL, imo the best Call there is (tho Ares', Dyonisus' and Demeter's are pretty sweet too).
Add boons to my Dash and Cast.
Get FAST with Hermes.
Use Spiked Collar (Cerberus' Keepsake) before entering Styx, for a sweet 50 Health point bump."
what the f
"A successful escape attempt will normally have you be at 300-325 Health, though you can increase this by as much as 400 or so." wot
undone tartan
Artemis best call though Ares and Demeter are great too
Hmm
dapper schooner
pseudo kernel
Damn this guide is straight fire no cap
honest kernel
luls
lime elk
everyone knows if you want to speedrun you need 400 health
and remember to add a boon to your dash
I guarantee that, with practice, you'll be clearing the most challenging standard chambers in under 45 seconds.
that's like 45 seconds * 40 chambers is 30 minutes for a full run
what?
honest kernel
what is the worst dash boon
left prism
M*stral dash prob
honest kernel
dionysus?
honest kernel
ah yeah
undone tartan
Drunken Dash is situationally mediocre
shy plinth
Zeus dash isn't great either
undone tartan
Yeah
honest kernel
if mistral dash hit in an aoe that would be nice
lime elk
ALWAYS pick the Daedalus' Hammer at least once. It'll give you some super handy improvement to your weapon.
remember to get at least one daedalus hammer
left prism
Still a lot better than those 2
undone tartan
His stacks well if you already have T2s from him though
lime elk
just one is fine tho
left prism
Just cuz its zeus
shy plinth
Mistral is just kind of awkward
Though one of the most fun runs I've ever done is mistral gilga
honest kernel
never tried gilga, I hear it sucks
lime elk
REVENGE BOONS are great, too. Mainly the ones offered by Zeus and Ares.
maybe this is why he wants his health at 400
honest kernel
> REVENGE BOONS are great, too. Mainly the ones offered by Zeus and Ares.
maybe...
To be fair they are pretty strong in a speedrun setting
left prism
Health is a resource
lime elk
My personal favorite? The Adamant Rail. I've stopped using it for periods of time because it almost felt like cheating by how deadly I am with the thing (not bragging... much)
i'll have you know i graduated top of my class at the navy seals
quartz mantle
Zeus dash isn't great either
Applying jolted easily is nice when you have your other cores filled
honest kernel
I checked the guide and it lists Privileged Status as 50%
AKA, before it got nerfed in Early Access
That's an old guide right there lol
And at a time where you only had 1 set of mirror options, not the 2 you have nowadays
So no Family Favorite
hardy garden
the comments look recent
mossy zinc
This guide's aim is to make you clear chambers really damn quickly. This is at the cost of Gemstones, Darkness, Keys or anything else that isn't a Boon or Health.
I knew I was doing something wrong. Should just pick gold laurel rewards over blue laurel rewards every time.
Why didn't I think of that.
dapper schooner
I knew I was doing something wrong. Should just pick gold laurel rewards over bl...
yeah
like why do people go for the darkness door when they could have picked up a boon instead?
seems like poor decision making to me tbh.
mossy zinc
That's an old guide right there lol
It's from Feb this year.
cursive portal
hardy garden
Once you have at least two or three Boons that deal more damage and afflict your foes with status curses, POWER THEM UP. You don't need to have a million boons — I've escaped with as little as 4, but you will have to pump up their power with Poms of Power. Likewise, I've had as many as 10 or so boons, but if you wish to escape regularly you will have to power your main one to at least level 4.
"Likewise, I've had as many as 10 or so boons," why do i feel like they dont use dark foresight
mossy zinc
I dunno. Have they unlocked Dark Foresight yet?
It's clearly a new player trying to write a guide for new players. A little premature.
raw cloud
are we ripping apart a guide again
hardy garden
maybe...
next acorn
I knew I was doing something wrong. Should just pick gold laurel rewards over bl...
I think it’s interesting how people say that they would prioritize meta rewards over stuff for clearing and then were able to clear once they started taking stuff to clear. It’s like the mindset they had changed. Or maybe they’re just making excuses lol
raw cloud
“When finding Eurydice in Asphodel, always go for the Pom Porridge. This will pump up several boons by one level, at the same time.”
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quiet mountain
i almost missed that thx
next acorn
Ok time to read this
hardy garden
tbh maybe we're being a bit mean but saying any of this is just straight up disingenuous https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825862916561305643/958068318101717012/Screenshot_20220328-112102_Chrome.jpg
next acorn
ALWAYS select PRIVILEGED STATUS on the Mirror of Nyx and pump it up with Darkness to the max.
It grants you a 50% damage buff to any target suffering from two status effects
quiet mountain
pump it up
next acorn
Am I crazy but I thought pstat was 40%
quiet mountain
it is
raw cloud
yeah priv is good but always? mmm-
yeah it’s 40
hardy garden
they probably dont know that its additive either
well the guide is doom/hangover focused anyways
undone tartan
Priv is rarely correct
quiet mountain
the guide says its op so...
mossy zinc
I wonder if the author has seen the credits yet.
hardy garden
probably tbh
hoary pasture
raw cloud
Basically, if you build up on attack damage AND combine them with status curses (and power them up) while dashing around, you will get out of there fast with any weapon.
hardy garden
okay maybe they havent
next acorn
HERMES is your friend. Pick at least 2 of his Boons when available to gain more speed or an extra dash.
Ok they got SOMETHING
hoary pasture
atleast 2
raw cloud
welp you heard them pick at least 2
next acorn
Yeah
mossy zinc
Basically, if you build up on attack damage AND combine them with status curses ...
Don't forget Thunder Dash.
raw cloud
just for fun i might try this “op build” and see how it fares
hardy garden
My personal Status Curses favorites are Doom (Ares), followed by Hangover (Dionysus), since they will continue to damage your foes substantially while allowing you to keep attacking them, doubling or tripling the damage you deal to them.
anyways apparently you cant keep attacking after a certain amount of times when using something like zeus or aphrodite attack
raw cloud
obviously not
mossy zinc
Logic is just a guideline anyway.
raw cloud
“That said, Varatha and Malphon are notorious for providing very fast attacks and combos.”
did they mention aspects at all bc if they want me to use zag spear
shy plinth
It is somewhat ambiguous if the author has unlocked any aspects
left prism
did they mention aspects at all bc if they want me to use zag spear <:bouldy:523...
Wdym you dont like your 25% special dmg bonus
raw cloud
guys it’ll have me clearing chambers in under 45 seconds i have to try it
next acorn
guys it’ll have me clearing chambers in under 45 seconds i have to try it
Insane you can get a sub 37 with that
quiet mountain
blitz blitz its a ballroom blitz
raw cloud
yeah i’m gonna have to write a list of the best builds from guides like these and try them out
including using all the wonderful advice
shy plinth
https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/rama-bow-guide/ I would make sure to run this
mossy zinc
yeah i’m gonna have to write a list of the best builds from guides like these an...
Or you could roll dice for every decision.
raw cloud
ME RAMA
mossy zinc
Probably gives you a better build, too.
raw cloud
you’re not wrong tbh
“Stubborn Defiance is better because you will die a lot
Ruthless Reflex to increase the pitiful damage of Rama bow”
shy plinth
Who am I to argue against Lili
raw cloud
“Infernal Soul your cast is a big part of your damage since Rama damage is quite weak” guys i think they think rama ‘s damage is bad
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raw cloud
yeah i can tell they’ve literally never used rama and probably haven’t seen the credits with the amount of times they mention not dying
shy plinth
You know who Lili is yeah
raw cloud
“Shadow Presence for extra backstab damage
Dark Regeneration helps to maintain your health during the run, you need to pick a lot of darkness to get full HP
Stubborn Defiance is better because you will die a lot
Ruthless Reflex to increase the pitiful damage of Rama bow
Abyssal Blood for the extra safety
Infernal Soul your cast is a big part of your damage since Rama damage is quite weak
Golden Touch keep your money early on, and buy good stuff in Styx shop
High Confidence is damage, so you need it for Rama
Privileged Status is a good choice since you want ME and Athena exposed debuff
Dark Foresight more chance for good chamber rewards. Boons are very important for a fast run
Gods’ Legacy to get ME as fast as you can
Fated Persuasion because you want to reroll the god rewards to get the best build”
shy plinth
This is a high quality meme
raw cloud
You know who Lili is yeah
i don’t think so, no
raw cloud
lmao
shy plinth
But it would be very funny to follow this guide and try to win
"Shoot enemies from afar. Don’t use your special since it’s quite bad."
shy plinth
That one is real tho
raw cloud
well, you heard it, i have to
mossy zinc
Lili wrote the Eris bible, yeah.
dapper schooner
oh yeah on the topic of the steam guide
I remember a line in there suggesting that only ares and Artemis have cast boons
raw cloud
I remember a line in there suggesting that only ares and Artemis have cast boons
sorry what
time to go use posideon on Arthur
raw cloud
oh lmao
hardy garden
well they imply that ares call inflicts doom
dapper schooner
raw cloud
artemis, ares, and demeter have the best calls obviously
left prism
Where is the arthur poseidon attack sea storm guide
raw cloud
https://www.thegamer.com/best-hades-builds-weapons-boons/
this
left prism
Didnt they have a video guide with that too?
quiet mountain
i wanan b game journalist
mossy zinc
i wanan b game journalist
Can you write sentences?
quiet mountain
a sentence is written
raw cloud
hired
the ultimate guan yu build is:
Drunken Dash, Rare Crop, Ravenous Will, Trippy Shot, Nourished Soul, Strong Drink, After Party, Positive Outlook, Premium Vintage
mossy zinc
Somebody really wanted a drink when they wrote that.
hoary pasture
totally
raw cloud
where’s the game rant one
jaunty falcon
If you SELECT the boons from the boon selection screen and UPGRADE them with poms of power you’ll BLITZ through the game
If you PLAY the game you’ll PLAY the game
undone tartan
lmao
quiet mountain
frozen touch triggering arctic blast is a little goofy
shy plinth
It's super good
ripe ermine
That cursed knowledge is only for those who are truly ready to receive it
honest kernel
what are top 5 aspects for high heat?
mossy zinc
Talos, Gilgamesh, Zag Sword, Guan Yu, Excalibur.
honest kernel
jaunty falcon
hi
honest kernel
my guess is zeus and zag shield, rama, hestia and idk
hoary pasture
I wouldnt rate Zag shield that highly
jaunty falcon
You said ares aid was pitiful
Unmodded heat rankings will be different to modded
Shields are higher on modded
hoary pasture
Beowulf doesnt care
honest kernel
what about ares aid with vicious cycle? 
hoary pasture
It's not that good
honest kernel
hoary pasture
It could do some damage but it's nowhere near a good damaging call
And you also cant do anything else in the meantime
honest kernel
true yeah
hoary pasture
And when it ends you pop out very vulnerable
nocturne stag
Shout-out to that time the game kept giving me ares boon after ares boon and I had so many blade rifts with all the effect boons that the game was lagging against Hades
The lag cost me the run annoyingly
left prism
I dont think i ever lagged to blade rifts lol
undone tartan
what are top 5 aspects for high heat?
Zeus, Rama, Beowulf, Zag shield, Hestia imo
However I have heard that Beowulf is kinda miserable for 54+ heat. It has the tools to do it, but requires way more resets
Although I think unmodded Zag shield is probably the same way
hoary pasture
Eris is strong
undone tartan
Yeah but the Eris unmodded heat wr is only 55 according to the high heat leaderboard? Is that right?
hoary pasture
When someone says high heat I would probably assume they’re referring to 50-55 at most
hoary pasture
Yeah but the Eris unmodded heat wr is only 55 according to the high heat leaderb...
Unseeded yes
But Retrash has 60
Seeded drunken strike
dapper schooner
Eris is strong
is it really
like it's godly until 45
but isn't good when em4 or ri
hoary pasture
One of the easiest 50s imo
undone tartan
Hmm ok
undone tartan
I just find it very unsafe
undone tartan
Like is it really that much better than FJ Achilles?
jaunty falcon
Yes
hoary pasture
But the damage is too good
hoary pasture
Like is it really that much better than FJ Achilles?
I would say so yea
Rails also have a lot of nice hammers
If you’re decent at EM4 you can go for a RI0 EM4 AP1 pact and melt him with clockets
Literally
honest kernel
everyone knows sword has the best hammers 
pseudo kernel
All 3 good hammers
honest kernel
why can't I reroll hammers
hoary pasture
would be too stronk
Except on sword second hammer
You’re getting screwed either way
honest kernel
people with AP2 getting cursed slash
pseudo kernel
Retrash moment
honest kernel
honestly not a fan of how the sword is forced into a very specific playstyle at high heat
mossy zinc
Well, you could always do TD1 and do other playstyles.
honest kernel
cursive portal
on nemesis alone you can do a lot of starts
like drunken strike, doom attack-ME, aphrodite attack,demeter strike, even tidal dash start is decent at times
all builds benefit from athena special, all want double edge/piercing wave, all want attack/dash strike chaos
jaunty falcon
Athena special is great
cursive portal
some are more suited to EM4 AP1 RI0 pacts like ME, but its pretty flexible
cursive portal
Athena special is great
I legit value it higher than dash
maybe thats just my playstyle but it feels almost essential
hoary pasture
I like it more than dash at times
pseudo kernel
Idk man
mossy zinc
Divine Flourish def makes sword special a lot easier to use.
solemn pulsar
as vorime once said: your dash already has i frames on it what do you need more i frames for
left prism
why can't I reroll hammers <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Cant persuade a hammer
Tho idk why you can persuade a pom
hoary pasture
mossy zinc
Tho idk why you can persuade a pom
Poms are alive.
undone tartan
Why chaos aspect, may I ask
ripe ermine
Check the pins for pact suggestions. Part of the recommended 32 pact is maxed Lasting Consequences with Stubborn Defiance in the mirror. Otherwise the meta for Heat is Dark Foresight, Fated Persuasion, Greater Reflex, Thick Skin, Deep Pockets.
astral peak
Why chaos aspect, may I ask
Because it's cool
pseudo kernel
No it's not
honest kernel
zeus>
undone tartan
Because it's cool
That’s very debatable
ripe ermine
It’s fine for 32 Heat
honest kernel
mostly everything is fine for 32 
cursive portal
Fine is a strong word
undone tartan
Every aspect at 50 is doable
Nothing at 32 felt too bad tbh
Even at 40 the bad aspects were still very manageable
honest kernel
I just use the good/fun ones 
arthur is my beloved but I'm really growing to love zeus
undone tartan
Definitely one of the highest skill ceilings in the game
pseudo kernel
Zeus isn't hard you just suck
honest kernel
dapper schooner
That’s very debatable
not really tbh
being cool is very subjective
now is it good?
flat flicker
Zeus isn't hard you just suck
undone tartan
Obviously it’s a joke
pseudo kernel
I'm not joking
honest kernel
next acorn
Well he has done 62 heat
honest kernel
Well he has done 62 heat <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Oh, I wasn't aware of that. Mind sharing a recording of the run in question, if possible ?
honest kernel
well that's nice and all but that doesn't answer my question
next acorn
His nickname says heat 62 heat it’s clear proof
honest kernel
Guess that's all you need
pseudo kernel
honest kernel
Wait a minute
pseudo kernel
Maybe I should change it back
undone tartan
LMAO
jaunty falcon
Change it to | 63 Heat!
honest kernel
Zeus isn't hard you just suck
On a more serious note I do mind this kind of mentality, joke or not
You are talking about an aspect that does things a good deal differently from the other weapons, and that thing is a kind of puppeteer act, which in itself is hard enough as is for most
pseudo kernel
Oh I'm sorry about that
I should be more careful with my jokes
It's hard to tell over text
honest kernel
I knew from the start it was a joke but uh yeah
Not exactly one I appreciate
Even in jest
Oh well. In any case, will probably do more 64 heat attempts soon-ish
I've been stuck in Risk of Rain 2 and Tunic these last few days
next acorn
This was the convo where the nickname came from btw
honest kernel
I saw it. Look at cat guy's bouldy reactions
next acorn
o
honest kernel
@honest kernel zeus shield guide when?
honest kernel
SoonTM
I started a draft but postponed the guide production at an undetermined date
raw cloud
zoos
honest kernel
until baj releases zeus bible 
, anyone got tips for zeus shield, more specifically at 32+ heat
jaunty falcon
Take thunder flourish, depending on what hammer you get you can spec on attack or special
If you get charged shot get any chunky % attack and spam it
If you get explosive return or basically anything else, get more Zeus boons and poms
honest kernel
oh yeah, I got a pretty good idea about the boons. I meant more like how to approach combat with it.
hoary pasture
You’re on kbm?
honest kernel
ye
hoary pasture
Whats your Special key
mossy zinc
until baj releases zeus bible <:dorimecheems:857820009191047189> , anyone got ti...
Do what Baj does.
honest kernel
hoary pasture
It’s sort of obvious but try to make use of your standing strikes/ dash strikes, a lot easier said than done
honest kernel
I'm not that used to using bull rush tbh, more of a dash n bash playstyle
hoary pasture
And get used to controlling your special so it’s always hitting stuff, I personally always stay close to my Special
honest kernel
but yes I always have my special going
and then I retrieve it after it's killed enemy/s in area or I reposition to attack something else
hoary pasture
The Bullrush is very strong but honestly in normal encounters you’re not gonna be spamming it as much
mossy zinc
Zeus is all shield fundamentals + controlling your special. If you don't have good shield fundamentals, you're gonna have a hard time. If your fundamentals are solid, learning to use your special well will come a lot easier.
hoary pasture
Atleast at the 32-40 range
hoary pasture
The Bullrush is very strong but honestly in normal encounters you’re not gonna b...
Will make bossing a joke tho
mossy zinc
You're not really locked into any particular playstyle at 32 anyway.
hoary pasture
You can do ME aswell
honest kernel
ME takes a bit of setting up tho
mossy zinc
It's pretty straightforward tbh.
honest kernel
thunder flourish just ruins from the get go
hoary pasture
You don’t really need dash on Zeus
mossy zinc
Especially on Zeus, you can take either Curse of Agony or Curse of Pain and be fine.
Yeah that too.
hoary pasture
Curse of pain scaling is amazing
mossy zinc
Yep. But if he doesn't offer it, you can just take the Attack and run with it.
Very ME-friendly aspect.
honest kernel
if the boons go in that direction then I'll try for it
good zeus boons on the special is more than enough to work with tho
mossy zinc
Could also do Heartbreak Flourish start and go for Smair etc. for lots of eHP and i-frames.
honest kernel
wouldn't you take heartbreak strike and thunder flourish?
mossy zinc
Hearbreak Flourish and Zeus' Aid.
honest kernel
I like having thunder flourish so I'd take a diff aphrodite core
mossy zinc
Well, you were asking for tips, not what you like.
But sure that can work, too. Like I said, you're not really locked into any particular playstyle.
honest kernel
I do appreciate the tips will try for smair
mossy zinc
Frost Flourish would make boss fights pretty easy, too. Just gonna need to look for damage.
honest kernel
god is typing
Let me check my draft real quick
Pretty sure I already wrote something about boon selection
honest kernel
I'd like to but not when I'm essentially sleep-deprived
health and wellbeing comes first, zeus bible can wait a little longer
mossy zinc
I think I wrote most of my guides sleep-deprived in some way lol.
mossy zinc
Lovely formatting.
honest kernel
It's not quite complete. I mostly just wrote information about choices to make
so much info 
Tons of abstract info to write out, but I should have gotten into most details for hammers/builds
Next step was to start out a Google Doc file and clean the formatting, collect images and video clips for relevant portions, and write the abstract info
To make a TL;DR for builds : 3 main ways to go, those being Zeus Special, Merciful End, and Generalist builds
mossy zinc
You wrote that Life Affirmation is "Unpoommable".
honest kernel
That's to fix
Oh yeah no wonder I couldn't find the file, it was on my laptop
In any case, I am open to questions.
mossy zinc
Lots of content already. Looks pretty good. Good luck with the formatting.
honest kernel
thank you everyone for your help
mossy zinc
I've thought about making some more in-depth Hades guides at some point for various things, but m just 100% focused on Street Fighter V guides for now.
honest kernel
oh nice
Oh yeah the formatting is weird because I used Notepad to write it out, and used Tabs to format things
Doesn't look quite as nice on pastebin
But shouldn't be hard to fix on a Google Doc
undone tartan
The Bullrush is very strong but honestly in normal encounters you’re not gonna b...
Wait I’m not? Oh I might be playing Zeus wrong 
honest kernel
dash bash 4eva
cursive portal
I'd like to but not when I'm essentially sleep-deprived
🤝
dapper schooner
just had a run where I didn't pop SD until dad at 40heat
and then got bball double sneak and got out of phase 1 with 10hp left total
died on p3
undone tartan
just had a run where I didn't pop SD until dad at 40heat
Hestia?
dapper schooner
beo
undone tartan
Oh
long minnow
I’m so trash
When y’all are aiming for sub-8 runs I’d be happy with a sub-15
And the I can’t even get that because I get 4-sacked
hoary pasture
Speedrunning is quite the grind
long minnow
Stupidest thing is that I did my fastest run with Excalibur
Idk what to say
No duos either
hoary pasture
And you have to go gradually about your goals, it takes a lot of time to master the decision making and room clearing part
Sub15 is a good goal
hoary pasture
Yea the satyr sack is annoying
long minnow
God with a 2 sack I could’ve gotten around 14:50
Then I get cucked with a 4 sack and a tiny vermin
jaunty falcon
My PB has tiny vermin 
honest kernel
long minnow
My PB has tiny vermin <:squirtyay:456913427550699552>
It’s just a lack of skill on my end
glossy flint
what counts as high heat?
jaunty falcon
For this channel, 32. For you, whatever you find difficult!
long minnow
For this channel, 32. For you, whatever you find difficult!
Ayo 0 heat is high heat for me
honest kernel
undone tartan
long minnow
Not actually, I’ve yet to be stopped by too high a heat but that’s only because I’ve done 8 heat at max
I guess I’ll have to see what gets me killed
honest kernel
turn on EM4 
long minnow
turn on EM4 <:trolldemonic:843746834505531422>
Straight to 10 heat? Ouch
I’d rather max out my mirror first and learn my fav aspects better
honest kernel
increments of 2 is nothing
undone tartan
Well the first 6 heat is free anyway
long minnow
Well the first 6 heat is free anyway <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Em3?
undone tartan
TD3
honest kernel
EM2 TD2
long minnow
Oh ok
honest kernel
TD3 free for new players?
long minnow
TD3 free for new players? <a:CatgirlThinkHm:854434307368026192>
Not really
long minnow
I struggled to get sun 20 until like a day ago when I realised I was doing everting wrong by trying to go for chunks and only chunks
And then I almost got a sub 15 with Arthur
undone tartan
TD3 changes nothing in any region, therefore free
long minnow
Oh wait
pseudo kernel
And then I almost got a sub 15 with Arthur
am i trippin or did you just swear in this server
pseudo kernel
lmao
undone tartan
Lmao
long minnow
No ban pls
honest kernel
y'know d-don't say swears
long minnow
TD3 changes nothing in any region, therefore free <:squirtyay:456913427550699552...
Anyways, td3 would probably be pain for a new player
long minnow
y'know d-don't say swears
Yeah, that probably will get me banned
pseudo kernel
it wont get you banned lmao
honest kernel
wut
undone tartan
But it’s the only pact in the entire game that has zero impact on the difficulty of your run once you’re used to it (at least at low heat)
pseudo kernel
might get you muted tho
honest kernel
not saying swears will get you banned?
long minnow
But it’s the only pact in the entire game that has zero impact on the difficulty...
Yeah def
long minnow
might get you muted tho
That ig
long minnow
not saying swears will get you banned?
Ah yes you have a daily swear quota
As I was saying, for completely new players, em2 td2 is far more viable of a choice
I’m only at max 8 heat because I was trying to farm Titan blood for hidden aspects
I’ll try to push more after I get sword up to 8, maybe using shield
jaunty falcon
First four levels of routine inspection aren’t too bad
Speed runners do it, how hard it can be
long minnow
First four levels of routine inspection aren’t too bad
What does that do again
honest kernel
cripples you
long minnow
Wait isn’t that the mirror thing
hoary pasture
long minnow
That must be absolutely painful Jesus
quartz mantle
RI4 smashes your mirror with a hammer
pseudo kernel
routine inspection insults your mother
honest kernel
take AP2
hoary pasture
lmao
honest kernel
clever otter
it seems like the bot is down, so in the meantime just... do your best not to swear... 
pseudo kernel
i am so tempted to swear right now
clever otter
ill delete it lol
undone tartan
As I was saying, for completely new players, em2 td2 is far more viable of a cho...
Genuinely I think new players trying out heat should just use TD3 and figure out how to ply fast. It takes some practice but it’s definitely worth it
long minnow
routine inspection insults your mother
LMFAO
long minnow
it seems like the bot is down, so in the meantime just... do your best not to sw...
Yeah found out the hard way
Don’t kill or mute me pls I edited my message
honest kernel
family friendly server
long minnow
Genuinely I think new players trying out heat should just use TD3 and figure out...
Td2 to start off with
quartz mantle
Sorry guys idk what came over me
undone tartan
Nah
long minnow
Frick?
pseudo kernel
undone tartan
TD3
honest kernel
undone tartan
6 > 3
long minnow
That would probably get so many new players
quartz mantle
Heat numbers are arbitrary if you can't handle TD3 don't run TD3 lmao
jaunty falcon
Freakin heck I just lost 65 heat 😦
clever otter
you only get auto muted if you post links rapidly to prevent spam
long minnow
I find it stupid that I’m faster on sword than bow and shield
honest kernel
me looking at 50+ minute runs in #h1-victory-boasting
clever otter
or too many links in a message, etc etc
undone tartan
Td3 seems a bit excessive
No, it’s worth learning. Anyone can do it. Just needs some practice
long minnow
me looking at 50+ minute runs in <#725021639506526249>
LMFAO
honest kernel
long minnow
undone tartan
Plus playing fast is definitely more fun
quartz mantle
They forget there's a pause button
jaunty falcon
Look for pots
hoary pasture
No, it’s worth learning. Anyone can do it. Just needs some practice
same thing for 50 heat
long minnow
there's no other way
They just forget about the run
quartz mantle
and just kinda walk away and make food or something
pseudo kernel
chill with charon
jaunty falcon
My first sub 10 I took a toilet break in the styx tunnel so it could have easily been sub 5
undone tartan
same thing for 50 heat
I mean maybe. But learning to beat runs in under 20 minutes requires a whole lot less work and practice than beating 50 heat
long minnow
Bruh the 50 minute guy was playing 0 heat too
honest kernel
we all start somewhere
long minnow
He didn’t even have a reason to stay conservative
hoary pasture
to me they're the same thing so must be like that for new players right?
long minnow
we all start somewhere
Yeah I guess
My first run was 30 minutes
Which is slow as hell
pseudo kernel
thats normal for first win
honest kernel
yup
long minnow
Probably because i was using horrible boons on zag sword
honest kernel
no 
jaunty falcon
Most people use horrible boons if they don’t look at guides or anything
But they cleared and that’s the main thing
undone tartan
Not me! I was a tidal dash enjoyer from day 1!
long minnow
But they cleared and that’s the main thing
Yep
long minnow
Not me! I was a tidal dash enjoyer from day 1!
I always loved divine dash
clever otter
not everyone is on the same skill level as this channel, ive seen a bunch of 50+ min clears looking over the victory channel. it may just be absurd to you all because youre so used to really fast clears and very high heat
pseudo kernel
me when new player doesnt sub 10 at 50 heat
quartz mantle
Honestly I don't think I could handle a 50+ minute run
long minnow
not everyone is on the same skill level as this channel, ive seen a bunch of 50+...
I’m used to kind of fast clears and low heat lmao
quartz mantle
I would like actually just lose lmao I cannot play slow
honest kernel
50 mins is pretty good
undone tartan
Honestly I don't think I could handle a 50+ minute run
Yeah I couldn’t either tbh
long minnow
My pb is 15:40 or something
long minnow
I would like actually just lose lmao I cannot play slow
You see, you can just forget about the run and go do homework
clever otter
i should look at some of my old runs and see whats my longest clear time
long minnow
i should look at some of my old runs and see whats my longest clear time
My worst was my first
honest kernel
before I did 32 my rail pb was like 27
quartz mantle
hoary pasture
My worst is a Rama 40 heat
quartz mantle
First win was like 35 minutes lmao
hoary pasture
that took me 27 minutes
long minnow
that took me 27 minutes
You were seriously good from the start, huh
long minnow
my first win was like 20 mins
Yep you were good from the start
pseudo kernel
born a gamer 😎
honest kernel
look at a guide
quartz mantle
I never am great at games when I first start them but I can typically learn really well
pseudo kernel
kill enemies fast
undone tartan
Read speedrun guides
quartz mantle
Watch a video honestly
long minnow
kill enemies fast
Wow I would’ve never known
quartz mantle
see how they play
undone tartan
Watch good runs
quartz mantle
try to mimic it
undone tartan
Learn from the best
dapper schooner
You were seriously good from the start, huh
mike was just gaming from the beginning
long minnow
Well ok then time to look at a couple of guides
pseudo kernel
speedrun tip: instead of wasting your time killing all the enemies, just walk through the exit door
honest kernel
never watched a speedrunning guide and my pb is 12:57
long minnow
speedrun tip: instead of wasting your time killing all the enemies, just walk th...
Big brain moment
I’d guess that speedrunners don’t like to play defensive
And they go full out aggro
undone tartan
Yeah I actually got an 8:30 with Spread Fire Zag Rail without reading any guides or anything
long minnow
Yeah I actually got an 8:30 with Spread Fire Zag Rail without reading any guides...
Ayo wtf
Based
Speed
undone tartan
It was seeded ofc, but not at all routed because I didn’t really understand how manips worked
long minnow
Ooh that’s why
undone tartan
I had watched a few speedruns to see what heat to use
long minnow
I thought it was unseeded
flat flicker
Honestly I don't think I could handle a 50+ minute run
i once had a 6 minute EM4 fight just hiding to try to let stubborn roots heal me. highly dont recommend. too stressful
undone tartan
It was seeded for Spread Fire
dapper schooner
Ooh that’s why
seeded barely matters unrouted though
long minnow
I had watched a few speedruns to see what heat to use
Why would you use heat in a speedrun
dapper schooner
its the same as resetting for a hammer
undone tartan
Why would you use heat in a speedrun
???
long minnow
seeded barely matters unrouted though
Oh fair
pseudo kernel
we use em2 and fo2, em2 brings lernie heads closer, fo2 makes enemies spawn faster
flat flicker
speedrun tip: instead of wasting your time killing all the enemies, just walk th...
but what about walking to the door, but faster?
long minnow
Aah ok
quartz mantle
If you're a gamer you use BP1 too
long minnow
So it’s just a bit of manipulation
dapper schooner
FO0 makes game harder
undone tartan
Wouldn’t it just make things harder
Judging by the fact that every single top 30 run for anyheat is using 9 heat (or many 6 or 11 in some cases idk), I’m gonna say no
flat flicker
seeded barely matters unrouted though
its a QoL thing, i use mods to make seeds to run 32 heat cause i can't be bothered to reset for flury jab/charged shot/whatever
quartz mantle
For RTA runs you do TD as well to stop Tartarus timed rooms
long minnow
Judging by the fact that every single top 30 run for anyheat is using 9 heat (or...
Ah fair
dapper schooner
If you're a gamer you use BP1 too
if youre a gamer more like if you want to increase the reset rate even more
long minnow
I use 32 heat
Wtf
dapper schooner
:croven:
flat flicker
my first sub-10 was 32 heat 
pseudo kernel
no it wasnt stop lying lando
hoary pasture
lmao
quartz mantle
My first sub 6 was at 50 heat but I didn't record it also my game crashed afterwards so it didn't save
but it happened trust me !!
quiet mountain
i won
clever otter
well looking at my times this is one of the longest runs ive actually escaped in. one of my first rail runs and i was really bad with it
quartz mantle
The classic Olympian Favor
clever otter
theres also a 45 minute one from when styx wasnt even in the game i think
undone tartan
Uno how do you feel about CF1 1 heat
pseudo kernel
wdym olympian favor poggie
pseudo kernel
REDACTED
jaunty falcon
Congrats!
undone tartan
clever otter
i used to do cf1 1 heat all the time, i thought it was easiest
pseudo kernel
quartz mantle
That's quite a long asphodel
pseudo kernel
be like me and use js1 cp1 em2 for 5 heat
quartz mantle
tbf there's not a lot of heat options that are really bad for low heat
except maybe like mirrorless for 8 heat or something
cause the difficulty comes from compounding the pact options together
long minnow
My first 1 heat was cp1
Idk why I thought it would be easy
It really wasn’t
CP
They probably could’ve named it better
undone tartan
Bruh
long minnow
Yeah ik it’s a bad joke but seriously
It was 2020, they had a chance to change the name
pseudo kernel
long minnow
Memes like that were in full swing
long minnow
<:banne:459075377369972737> <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Well bye then
Ima get banned
undone tartan
long minnow
I’m gonna get bashed over the head by a ban hammer
undone tartan
Yes
quiet mountain
not that it doesn’t i just don’t get why it matters
cursive portal
They probably could’ve named it better
unique zephyr
CP affects the game so much more than the heat it provides
Although this is partly because tight deadline is the meta
When I did 45 heat I was basically deciding between calisthenics program and approval process and AP1 let me leave Tartarus more since I timed out less
pseudo kernel
it did in my 50 beo
long minnow
Also EM4 never ends with CP2
Must be gruelling
long minnow
And on
timber pike
still on hiatus how's this channel doing
torn vapor
This channel needs sparkles and rainbows
Sending some positivism here 
torn vapor
still on hiatus how's this channel doing
Channel is same as always 
Good luck in the other projects you're working on 
Goes back to observation mode
quartz mantle
You can put on Middle Management, Underworld Customs, and Extreme Measures 2 for some interesting changes, upping Hard Labor or lasting consequences is never too bad either
actually where is the thing
This
made by @shy plinth
viral nimbus
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/668865849079103539/884878890739335178/u...
thats uh incredible
quartz mantle
yup and it's pretty up to date in terms of knowledge and strats
undone tartan
I don’t particularly agree with this sheet
I think you should start using TD3 at 6 heat to be entirely honest. Spend some runs learning how to go fast and it’s absolutely worth it
Doing EM3 before TD3 is very questionable
vague birch
ok so been a bit since i tried 32 heat
Got pretty far, got a decent build going but died at em4 hades. Will probs change up the heat to see if that helps
undone tartan
EM4 for 32 is extremely bold
I really do not suggest it
I wouldn’t suggest using EM4 until at least 50 to be honest
undone tartan
What weapon are you using?
vague birch
was using chiron
vague birch
had like, aphro+dionysus
undone tartan
Ok good
vague birch
unfortunately i played poorly i feel
since like, at the end i had 30 seconds at hades
undone tartan
For 32, stay away from the following pacts:
AP, RI, CP, JS, EM4
Under no circumstances should you use any of those for 32
vague birch
got it
undone tartan
Unless you’re intentionally making it harder lol
vague birch
i even had AP1 on as well oof
i dont really know any of the strats i just pressed buttons mostly until it said 32 heat
undone tartan
Oh yeah do not do that
undone tartan
You can send your pact and I can help you tune it if you want
vague birch
cool, want me to send like, the one i had just now?
undone tartan
Sure
vague birch
vague birch
i thougtht BP was bad?
vague birch
i see
undone tartan
5 heat from BP2 is huge
undone tartan
Artemis is a lot better imo
Especially with one or two chaos special boons
Gets absurd damage
undone tartan
And Heart Rend too, if you can
But also divine dash is nice for safety. Plus Athena can give you DDs
vague birch
say qq if i have the choice between chaos or hammer which should I go for?
cursive portal
Arti dc2 is kinda lame though
undone tartan
Yeah DC2 does kinda suck
It’s been so long since I’ve done 32 so idk lol
I always play high enough that DC2 is pretty much mandatory on any aspect that can handle it
vague birch
yeah i feel like dc2 is mostly really annoing for me for like, flamewheels
undone tartan
For flamewheels you want to get them to run into walls on Chiron
Unless you have tidal dash or something, you’re gonna have a hard time killing them normally
vague birch
yeah
undone tartan
So DC or no, you’re gonna want to get them to kill themselves
flat flicker
say qq if i have the choice between chaos or hammer which should I go for?
Chaos is a free room, which at td3 matters more, but it’s subjective
undone tartan
changed my mirror stuff slightly a bit to see if that will help a bit
Wanna share?
I’d take chaos over hammer pretty much every time I think. But you run the risk of missing a second hammer which can suck
flat flicker
That only really happens if you actively avoid hammers multiple times
undone tartan
Yeah
vague birch
oh i already went into another run but i put on death defiance and the one that gives a higher chance for boons to be rare i forgot its name
vague birch
uh, maybe
pseudo kernel
bruh moment
cursive portal
flat flicker
And dark foresight never shut it off ever
undone tartan
^^
vague birch
got it
needta figure out the whole BP thing anyhows, not really used to it
yeah really need to figure it out
shy plinth
made by <@!145977230034599937>
Ty :)
potent remnant
whats the easiest heats to take to get to 40?
shy plinth
Are you regularly clearing 32s
undone tartan
I used this for most of my 40s
Swap in DC2 for some weapons
And use HS* if you’re comfortable with it
pseudo kernel
honest kernel
can also swap JS for DC depending on what you're using
undone tartan
Yeah if you use DC2 then get rid of JS
honest kernel
like with zeus shield DC is free
undone tartan
It’s never free
Not even on Eris or Rama or Lucifer
DC is the most deceptively harmful pact
honest kernel
zeus and zeus special is pretty close to free
undone tartan
Not the most harmful, but the most deceptive, to be clear
undone tartan
zeus and zeus special is pretty close to free
No it’s really not very close
honest kernel
really?
undone tartan
I suggest DC2 for Zeus 40, but it’s certainly not close to free
It’s hurting you way more than you realize
shy plinth
It's the right thing to take on some aspects but it still has consequences
shy plinth
Still the way to go on Zeus or Eris or whatever
honest kernel
way better than JS on zeus that's for sure
shy plinth
But if you do a 32 without it and a 34 with it then the 34 would be harder lol
next acorn
DC is the most deceptively harmful pact
troof
undone tartan
way better than JS on zeus that's for sure
I agree
raw cloud
dc eris is pretty free imo
shy plinth
Try a run without it and then a run with it and no other pact changes
I bet it still costs you at least a minute
next acorn
dc eris is giving up your firery presence on special in addition to still more hits
its worse than you think
undone tartan
dc eris is pretty free imo
Rocket Bomb
undone tartan
dc eris is giving up your firery presence on special in addition to still more h...
^^^^^
potent remnant
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868852801663565824/960723206287794226/i...
k thx, ill be using eris so ill use dc ig
honest kernel
only free heat is EM4 
dapper schooner
next acorn
no its AP2
honest kernel
from now on whenever someone asks what pacts for low heat I will tell them EM4 is super easy
long minnow
from now on whenever someone asks what pacts for low heat I will tell them EM4 i...
Good to know that since i asked you yesterday then
long minnow
no its AP2 <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
RI4
shy plinth
The only free heat is playing gilga
honest kernel
what are some of the easiest aspects for 32, asking for a friend, she's trying to beat it :3
jaunty falcon
Eris, Beowulf, hestia
shy plinth
Beo takes some learning
V good if you know it tho
Eris hestia demeter is where I'd start
jaunty falcon
Zag shield with cshot as well
honest kernel
hestia seems pretty easy
jaunty falcon
My first ever kbm run was 32 heat cshot
shy plinth
Yeah shield is cool if you know how to deal damage with it
If your friend knows Rama also obv Rama good
But Eris hestia demeter is like the starter pack
honest kernel
she uses rail the most so I'll just suggest eris or hestia
shy plinth
Few things work better than a global 75% damage buff
honest kernel
oh wow didn't realize it was global
jaunty falcon
A global 25% damage buff which also comes with a 50% debuff and can only be applied to one or 2 enemies at a time???
OP
honest kernel
does that improve lightning strikes and doom as well?
shy plinth
Gilga is the nuts man
jaunty falcon
does that improve lightning strikes and doom as well?
Yea
jaunty falcon
Affects basically everything that zag does
So it doesn’t affect traps or summons
But calls, dashes, casts, affects all of those
honest kernel
75% is huge
shy plinth
It's meta for a reason
jaunty falcon
You don’t even NEED tidal dash
shy plinth
Sure is nice tho
dapper schooner
Eris hestia demeter is where I'd start
hestia takes learning as well though
the other 2 you can just click buttons
hoary pasture
Hestia takes a lot of learning for anyheat when you should manage your dashes, rocket and attack all very well while also cancelling every single reload animation
In high heat it's 2 buttons
And an occasional third
Atleast in the 32-40
Especially because you dont usually go for something like Tidal Dash
When you're still learning at that heat
And you settle for whatever hammer and just use it every now and then if it's a special hammer without thinking too much about it
next acorn
hesty can be played very simply at 32
undone tartan
Hestia, Beo, and Eris seem like definitely the easiest 32 heat aspects
potent remnant
jeez 40 heat is such a big jump from 32 😓
im dying nearly every single room
and couldnt get past hydra
shy plinth
Were you regularly clearing 32?
It's def harder by a good bit with hard labor and fo2
potent remnant
Were you regularly clearing 32?
yah more or less
at least i was breezing past regular rooms of enemies
now i actually need to be cautious
raw cloud
high heat lernie is t o u g h
honest kernel
Divine dash will make high heat lernie alot easier
trim maple
Any tips on 32 heat Demeter Malfon?
hoary pasture
What does your pact look like and what build are you trying
trim maple
I kinda wanted Hunting Blades to do damage but it's too unreliable and requires too much set up (unreliable in that it takes too long to get) and if I get it, if I don't get stuff to boost the damage it's kinda meh.
I'm considering switching to Sea Storm, I feel like Tidal Dash and Poseidon special can really help with keeping enemies too clustered on me at a more manageable distance.
I only have trouble in Elysium, specifically vs the heroes, and Hades
I feel like SS is much more consistent high damage even without the duo?
honest kernel
just zeus fists splitting bolt
hoary pasture
Fists are not a cast build so Hunting Blades is very underwhelming
trim maple
just poseidon and zeus on their own
yeah I experimented with HB and it just felt very bad
hoary pasture
I wouldnt go for Sea storm
hoary pasture
Sea storm is too much work to get because it doesnt activate from the dash and the damage usually isnt that worth it, you can get better damage from other sources much quicker
Instead of praying for 2 Poseidons and a Zeus then one of them again to offer you Sea Storm
Start with Zeus attack/ look for Static Discharge from Zeus and divine dash for safety
trim maple
Yeah that's what I do when I speedrun on Rail lmao
hoary pasture
Since this is Demeter fists you want a beefy % special along the way that isnt poseidon
trim maple
SS
hoary pasture
And look for a good damage call or athena for more safety
trim maple
Do you think Aphrodite or Arti would be better for the special?
hoary pasture
Yup
Those are the 2 best in slots
Crits are good and Aphro has the biggest %
Also weak is good
What does your pact look like
trim maple
I had the suspicion. I got Arti once and I just melted
hoary pasture
The pact is half the work
honest kernel
EM4
trim maple
what about upgrades? I liked Explosive Upper and Long Knuckle but I also really liked the one that changes the special to a blast
hoary pasture
Those 2 are very good
There is also Breaching Cross which I would take over Long Knuckle
trim maple
LMAO
hoary pasture
Because it melts armor
honest kernel
wait
hoary pasture
That is usually regarded as the best fists hammer
honest kernel
the swear filter isn't working lmao
hoary pasture
Yea the bot is down
trim maple
I had no idea that was filtered
Breaching Cross is the one that pierces and does +900% damage to armor right?
hoary pasture
yes
trim maple
ah okay I just forgot the name
I usually took it if I got in to Elysium for the great shields because they ate away at time when they came in groups
hoary pasture
You still didnt show the pact
A bad pact can be the whole reason you cant win
The mirror also matters
Some options arent too intuitive to figure out on your own
And some might not look as bad when they're total garbage
Like CP JS etc
Also alternatively you can just do Merciful End
Very safe and good damage output
It's just a bit trickier to get going
hoary pasture
How comfortable are you with Forced Overtime
trim maple
It's perfectly fine
I regularly use it for speedrunning to speed up enemy spawns
I already did 32 heat on shield and rail, I'm struggling with gauntlets because I have to be so close and take a lot more damage, using it to improve how I move
hoary pasture
Have you tried LC4 and Stubborn Defiance
trim maple
I experimented with removing Lasting Consequences entirely and adding Damage Control and it was completely a crapshot whether or not it'll eat all my time or not. Sometimes it didn't make more than 30 seconds of a difference or it ate all my time. It depends.
It mostly depended if I got high damage boons to compensate for having to hit everyone twice first lol
trim maple
Have you tried LC4 and Stubborn Defiance
Yeah and I didn't like it. Being able to heal at least a little really helped in my other 32 heat runs
I didn't like the feeling of dread of not getting Patroclus either if I got to Elysium lmao
oh for posterity Demeter is maxed out
Flying Cutter and Concentrated Knuckle is my first hammer 😭
hoary pasture
Well here are my pointers:
You're first looking to change your whole build and focusing on Zeus + Static Discharge or Ares Athena for Merciful End because those will do much better damage than Sea Storm or Hunting Blades and they're also relatively easy to get
AP1 is a very very bad option which is why I suggested you put those 2 points of heat elsewhere, with AP0 you'll have a much easier time getting the builds you want
FO2 is a tough pact aswell, if you're looking for an easy clear it's usually not recommended, Nyaanyaa's pact guide usually helps a lot of new-to-32 heat players get their clears and it uses
HL5 LC4 CF2 FO0, the whole point being that your enemies hit hard but they are incredibly slow so you will have a much easier time not getting hit at all, and something like EM3 is gonna be much easier because FO2 EM3 is a rough fight for melee, the normal SD heal should be enough for rooms, you'll just have to clean up your bossing a little bit to work around the small HP pool that you have (also something FO0 helps a lot with)
For hammers you're always looking for Breaching Cross / Kinetic Launcher / Explosive Upper / Long Knuckle, those are the most impactful ones
And looking to avoid Heavy Knuckle
trim maple
Gotcha.
Currently in a run with my current Pact. Right now got an Athena boon, already rerolled. Can't decide between Epic Phalanx or Sure Footing for Hades but I think Phalanx is way more useful no?
mossy zinc
Do you have HS?
hoary pasture
I would probably take Phalanx given no HS
mossy zinc
Yeah.
hoary pasture
Opens DDs too
mossy zinc
Phalanx Shot is amazing for Malphon. Helps you close in on any enemies including bosses.
Just throw it out and dash after it.
trim maple
Yeah that's something that popped in to my head
trim maple
Do you have HS?
No
hoary pasture
Really nice for those sweet openings yea
mossy zinc
Just gotta watch out for undeflectable attacks like Hades's spin, of course.
trim maple
I only considered it for the Hades fight but then I realized I literally never fall for those anyway
mossy zinc
Sure Footing is great value if you have HS but otherwise idk what you're doing if you need it.
long minnow
EM4 <:trollirredeemable:904460527147810816>
RI4 AP2 is free
undone tartan
high heat lernie is t o u g h
True!
undone tartan
It’s just so much going on that it’s easy to take so much damage very fast
undone tartan
So no room to dodge?
Kinda
long minnow
It’s just so much going on that it’s easy to take so much damage very fast
Oh fair
undone tartan
Also blue heads are a nightmare
long minnow
I think a bunch of blue and purple heads would be terrible
Purple waves are weird to dodge
Then pair that with hl and you have literal hell
And then blue ones are blue ones
undone tartan
Blue is by far the worst but purple is probably second worst