im using exaclibur for the aura right but i have artemis attack so sometimes i land fat crits
#h1-high-heat-strategies
dawn chasm
mossy zinc
And 85% of the time your damage is sad. 
dawn chasm
i just beat elysium but i am taking a break so my headphones can charge i will update on whether i win
mossy zinc
Still should be good enough though.
dawn chasm
And 85% of the time your damage is sad. <:courte5Ohno:851568351288360990>
its ok i have the marks to increase crit chance
im really just worried about fighting extreme measures hades with this slow ass sword
mossy zinc
But Excalibur doesn't land enough hits to make Hunter's Mark very effective.
It's still not terrible, anyway.
cursive portal
yeah arthur em4 is not for the faint hearted 
dawn chasm
it does ENOUGH
cursive portal
its the only aspect rn to have its heat wr with EM3
but I guess on low FO its fine ish
mossy zinc
Do you have HL or FO in your pact?
dawn chasm
i actually removed all hard labor because it was making previous runs too difficult
wish i could send images lol i am struggling with the names of stuff
mossy zinc
If you just stack HP, damage reduction, and dodge chance, you should be fine probably.
You can link images from imgur or a private discord server or something. That's what we all do.
Image embeds are fine.
dawn chasm
oh word
this was from me showing my friends then
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/840739921445650453/949907794042163220/unknown.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/840739921445650453/949919428668190720/unknown.png
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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/840739921445650453/949919429515411526/unknown.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/840739921445650453/949919702317158410/unknown.png
and then uhhh
i have passion dash btw thats what the broken resolve is acting on
cursive portal
Dc2 arthur big no no
dawn chasm
lol
cursive portal
Thats pretty awful
cursive portal
dawn chasm
EM4 CP2 DC2 with Excalibur.
like i said !! artemis attack makes it a little less bad !!
i have the thing that makes the crit attacks have an additional 30% too !!!
mossy zinc
<:thanthink:669246004142538753>
They're right. The pact has RI0. It could be worse if it had any RI.
dawn chasm
my cast is just electric shot which is what i do for the damage control
since it bounces between several enemies it takes out multiple instances of that
there is so much tension in waiting for these headphones to charge before i finish this run wow kinda dying internally rn
undone tartan
it really could be worse
Not really
I mean it’s could be
But not much worse
DC2 on Arthur is insanely insanely bad
You don’t want to take that until probably 62 heat
dawn chasm
i needed something to fill out the pact tbh i didnt wanna do routine inspection
and i didnt want harder labor
undone tartan
Don’t do either
dapper schooner
this was from me showing my friends then
https://media.discordapp.net/attachment...
ohno
undone tartan
It’s 32
mossy zinc
It shares some similarities with the "worst 32 pact" memes that people come up with here sometimes, I'll say that. 
undone tartan
At 32 heat, there are so many options
mossy zinc
Yeah, no worries.
undone tartan
Even RI is better than DC2 on Arthur tbh. But it’s 32 so you shouldn’t even consider touching either
First of all
dawn chasm
idk how any of you do this but i suppose there are strategies
dawn chasm
nah i felt like TD with arthur was risky because of how slow the fights can be
undone tartan
Don’t do EM4
dawn chasm
my strategy was kind of explicitly to go slow
undone tartan
nah i felt like TD with arthur was risky because of how slow the fights can be
Then get rid of EM4 and CP2
Well
Don’t
Remove that pacts that make you slower and add TD3
mossy zinc
Well, just finish the run and see how it goes. Electric Shot to deal with DC2 is certainly a decent strategy for dealing with DC2 on Excalibur.
dawn chasm
hmmmm good point perhaps
yeah im not jazzed about the rats coming up
rats with DC2 o-o
mossy zinc
They're whatever.
undone tartan
You’re making it insanely difficult and playing super slow when you could make it way easier and just play faster
mossy zinc
You should be more concerned about Hades's skulls with DC2.
dawn chasm
why is that
dapper schooner
Well, just finish the run and see how it goes. Electric Shot to deal with DC2 is...
do people even take DC2 on arthur in the first place
dawn chasm
likely not
dapper schooner
i cant imagine that heat WR is higher than like 55
mossy zinc
<:thanthink:669246004142538753> do people even take DC2 on arthur in the first p...
No, but if you did, Electric Shot would be one way to deal with it.
undone tartan
Do this pact:
Hard Labor 5
Lasting Consequences 4
Convenience Fee 1
Extreme Measures 3
Benefits Package 2
Middle Management
Underworld Customs
Tight Deadline 3
dawn chasm
also if it counts for anything i have thunder flourish which i guess also helps with the dc
given that to activate the aura i need to do the special anyway
mossy zinc
Nah, we don't count that.
dawn chasm
word
undone tartan
I wouldn’t suggest Thunder flourish
dawn chasm
Do this pact:
Hard Labor 5
Lasting Consequences 4
Convenience Fee 1
Extreme Meas...
hard labor 5 with no forced overtime sounds better tbh
bronze rapids
just take tidal dash and do dash only
dawn chasm
I wouldn’t suggest Thunder flourish <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
didnt have many options
dapper schooner
hard labor 5 with no forced overtime sounds better tbh
for arthur its a lot better for sure
dawn chasm
i actually purged thunder flourish twice
undone tartan
Man this game is gonna get a thousand times easier if you just change a few things I promise. The fact that you can get this far with that pact actually is a very good sign for your skill
dawn chasm
just dodging
undone tartan
And LC4 may seem very intimidating but with stubborn defiance it’s actually very manageable
dawn chasm
i got the daedalus thing for excalibur aura area as the starting boon so it hasnt been that bad to rely on the aura
dawn chasm
And LC4 may seem very intimidating but with stubborn defiance it’s actually very...
i never use stubborn defiance i feel like its not good for the bosses
undone tartan
It’s good for LC4
mossy zinc
Ngl with some pacts and builds you can just play hyper-aggressive and clear 32 Heat. No need to do things like thinking or dodging.
mossy zinc
Eris.
dawn chasm
eris gun is sick i do love it
i do not enjoy playing beo tho so i will never be a tru skill player
mossy zinc
Imo Eris is by far the easiest for 32 Heat for new players.
undone tartan
i do not enjoy playing beo tho so i will never be a tru skill player
That’s ok it takes some practice
undone tartan
Imo Eris is by far the easiest for 32 Heat for new players.
My first 32 was Eris
dawn chasm
i did try an eris 32 heat one back when i was doing more hard labor
undone tartan
That very well may be true
dapper schooner
Imo Eris is by far the easiest for 32 Heat for new players.
I agree
I just run 32 heat eris like anyheat except acorn for dad if no patty
dawn chasm
i died in elysium unfortunately
i have been doin persephone keepsake the whole time <_<
mossy zinc
Oh no.
mossy zinc
Your number of deaths is certainly going up.
undone tartan
The control they give you is very very important and makes a massive difference
dawn chasm
i could stand to do more Building i tend to just take what i get
undone tartan
You don’t have to play that way with god keepsakes
Also
Switch from fated authority to fated persuasion
dawn chasm
yea woulda been real nice to have the athena revenge boon the times i have taken a ton of damage to homing projectiles
undone tartan
Rerolling boon rewards is much better than rerolling doors
undone tartan
yea woulda been real nice to have the athena revenge boon the times i have taken...
Or better: divine dash so you don’t get hit in the first place
dawn chasm
True True
mossy zinc
Holy Shield bad.
undone tartan
Yeah holy shield is not particularly good
dawn chasm
Rerolling boon rewards is much better than rerolling doors
i like fated persuasion but then i never have enough dice lol
mossy zinc
Fated Persuasion gud.
dawn chasm
oh yeah i tried zeus shield didnt really work tho
it did help that i had charge shot rush thing
undone tartan
One fated die is better than 10 authority imo
dawn chasm
for sure i use the authority much less often so its funny the game gives me more of them
undone tartan
Especially if you have the thing that gives you rerolls from keys
dawn chasm
of course i have that by now
undone tartan
You’re using foresight which is good
That’s the first thing I look for on any screenshot from someone asking for advice
dawn chasm
lol yeah there was a run i posted a while back where i was called out on that i think
they were like "wow a lot of boons for not having foresight"
undone tartan
I suggest using family favorite
dawn chasm
family favorite would be helping me more since i dont have much in the way of status effects
does marked even count
undone tartan
Unless you plan a specific build that will revolve around two status affects (such as low tolerance), you want FF
dawn chasm
word
dawn chasm
lol
undone tartan
Nyaa thinks it’s pretty good
dawn chasm
when you have eris gun and it deals 4000 damage instead of 2500 i think its p cool
undone tartan
Yes but I’d rather be able to use lesser calls for the i-frames and also have a call that’s useful for normal rooms
mossy zinc
It's not.
undone tartan
Zeus, Poseidon, and Dionysus are the best calls for sure
dawn chasm
i def know poseidon can be sick
mossy zinc
You need to know enemy behavior pretty well to make good use of it in regular encounters.
undone tartan
I’ve been using it for my hitless runs and it seriously does so little outside of bossfights
I’ve been trying
dawn chasm
clearly i dont know this game well enough because i am bad at pact
undone tartan
It just is not helpful
dawn chasm
(i have 240 hours and bad at pact at that)
mossy zinc
Keep trying.
undone tartan
That’s ok it’s hard to know these things on your own
mossy zinc
(i have 240 hours and bad at pact at that)
Oh, so you just started playing, you're saying.
dapper schooner
Oh, so you just started playing, you're saying.
undone tartan
My first 32 heat runs had pretty terrible pacts too
dawn chasm
Oh, so you just started playing, you're saying.
:0
undone tartan
1K+ hours gang
dawn chasm
dag
undone tartan
I didn’t know to use LC4 SD at 32 until Nyaa told me
dawn chasm
so what do yall listen to in the background for hades ive been listening to the new hbomberguy video
dapper schooner
1K+ hours gang
mossy zinc
so what do yall listen to in the background for hades ive been listening to the ...
The death screams of my enemies.
dawn chasm
oh awesome
undone tartan
I didn’t know to use LC4 SD at 32 until Nyaa told me <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Found it actually
#h1-discussion message
dawn chasm
idk how all of you do it
the game is good idk
dapper schooner
I've had enough of playing the first 10 chambers of tart
dawn chasm
i got burnt out after i finished all the achievements and then like 3 weeks later im back so idk
undone tartan
so what do yall listen to in the background for hades ive been listening to the ...
Dark Souls 3 ost or Cuphead ost generally. Some Hollow Knight and Celeste in there too
dawn chasm
this mf likes hard games i see
mossy zinc
Found it actually
https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/52042992972123...
I sometimes feel like at this point I helped more than half the regulars in this channel with their first 32s lol.
undone tartan
Pantheon 5
dawn chasm
oh ok
undone tartan
Hollow Knight thing
dapper schooner
p5
undone tartan
I sometimes feel like at this point I helped more than half the regulars in this...
Lol it’s very possible
dapper schooner
you seem like the type of person to do p5ab pancake
undone tartan
Well my first 32 was before that but my first 33+
undone tartan
you seem like the type of person to do p5ab pancake
No way
That stuff is crazy
Too hard for me
Tbh 50 heat was harder than P5
dapper schooner
yeah
undone tartan
I’ve also been working on SL1 DS3
dapper schooner
going by attempts I probably took 8x the attempts for 50 than p5
undone tartan
But I took a lot of breaks
dawn chasm
aight my headphones are charged wish me luck for the temple and EM4
dapper schooner
gl
undone tartan
going by attempts I probably took 8x the attempts for 50 than p5
I spent so many hours grinding AbsRad but it pales in comparison to my 50 heat grind
dapper schooner
I spent so many hours grinding AbsRad but it pales in comparison to my 50 heat g...
absrad bad
undone tartan
Not the best boss, definitely has some flaws
A lot of stupid bugs
Some got fixed, some did not
mossy zinc
aight my headphones are charged wish me luck for the temple and EM4
Good luck or bad luck?
dapper schooner
clearly bad luck, boss easy
undone tartan
1 pixel wide orbs still can have a hitbox sometimes
Oh and I also did Cuphead itemless all experts + pacifists (if the window for me to brag about my relatively tame gaming accomplishments hasn’t closed yet)
mossy zinc
Window? What? Sorry, I wasn't listening.
undone tartan
LMAO
mossy zinc
I just took forever to kill some Erebus Witches in chamber 2 with that pact.
undone tartan
Why are you trying that pact
mossy zinc
Why do you think?
dawn chasm
i suddenly have support fire level 4 so thats cool i guess anyway time to fight dad
mossy zinc
Why are you trying that pact
I just crit for over 500 in Tartarus!
Just kidding, it's DC2, so I crit for 0.
dapper schooner
~~1 pixel wide orbs still can have a hitbox sometimes~~
not even 1 pixel wide, they just have an active hitbox even after the orb completely disappears
not to mention the fact that they blend in with the background
undone tartan
Really? Oh that’s even more stupid
mossy zinc
Oh and I also did Cuphead itemless all experts + pacifists (if the window for me...
Have you done a pacifist Hades run yet?
dapper schooner
yeah the hitbox lingers for like a half second for some reason
makes very little sense
undone tartan
Have you done a pacifist Hades run yet?
How does that work exactly
mossy zinc
I don't know, you're the expert.
bronze rapids
Have you done a pacifist Hades run yet?
is that using Charm only
dapper schooner
only deal damage with revenge boons and charm
mossy zinc
Revenge isn't pacifism.
dapper schooner
Revenge isn't pacifism.
well zag doesn't lift a finger
seems like pacifism to me
mossy zinc
@dawn chasm what keepsake should I take here? https://i.imgur.com/j4p37Co.png
Purged a Drunken Flourish, so Lord Dionysus is also in the god pool. Just not pictured here.
dapper schooner
<@!225081520241508352> what keepsake should I take here? https://i.imgur.com/j4p...
pom blossom
mossy zinc
Okay. Thanks.
dawn chasm
<@!225081520241508352> what keepsake should I take here? https://i.imgur.com/j4p...
are you mocking me
cursive portal
She would never
cursive portal
gg
dawn chasm
ty ty ty
undone tartan
That’s actually really impressive tbh
That’s a genuinely extremely challenging pact
dawn chasm
ngl the hermes speed boost + sturdy thing is goated for EM4
undone tartan
It’s great in general
dawn chasm
so easy to avoid hades with it and then come back
undone tartan
Especially with rush delivery
undone tartan
It’s a lot harder to get hyper delivery with AP1 and fated authority
dawn chasm
yeah it was offered at some point but it was between rush delivery and the 20% dodge chance
the dodge chance helped a lot :|
dapper schooner
I would always go rd
dawn chasm
ive heard but man oh man did i want to not take damage
and OH man did i not take damage
undone tartan
Especially since your attack boon is Artemis
dawn chasm
ok good point
but shshhshs it may have been slow but it worked
against "all odds" (you guys saying it was a bad pact)
undone tartan
Indeed it was
If you can win with that pact, you can absolutely do 40 with a good pact
dawn chasm
hard maybe
i would need another hbomberguy video i think
he does not upload often so what im saying is give it 4-8 months
oh actually it was 9 months since the last video
dapper schooner
so any day now
dawn chasm
mossy zinc
That pact was pretty chill, ngl.
I mean.
It's slow as hell, but it's also not difficult.
undone tartan
No?
mossy zinc
You'd want to find something that isn't your weapon to actually do damage, though.
undone tartan
It’s EM4 CP2 FO1
mossy zinc
Yeah, but it's also HL0.
mossy zinc
It's not that hard.
It's just awfully slow.
You take like no damage, but you also deal like no damage lol.
Would I recommend it? No. But it's not as bad as you think it is.
undone tartan
I mean it’s not gonna be hard for us, but a good 40 heat pact would probably be easier no?
mossy zinc
With Excalibur? I don't think so tbh.
undone tartan
Hmm
mossy zinc
You also have 3 DDs and full healing the whole run.
undone tartan
That’s true
mossy zinc
You'll also probably lose to Thanatos lol.
But like, Lernie head slams for example were doing 6 damage.
undone tartan
Lmao
mossy zinc
Hmmm. Maybe DC0 TD1 and then 1 Heat elsewhere would be a good recommendation for some players.
mossy zinc
AP1 doesn't really matter too much on Excalibur tbh.
undone tartan
I guess that’s true for the most part. Makes Smair harder to find
mossy zinc
Yeah, but you have no trouble finding Centaur Hearts.
undone tartan
I just have trouble imagining that any optimal 32 heat pact for any type of player would have EM4
mossy zinc
HL0 EM4 FO1 is chill, especially with that much eHP.
undone tartan
But HL1 FO2 EM3 feels like it has to be easier
On Arthur I think I’m honestly taking RI2 before EM4
mossy zinc
Hmmm. FO2 EM3 probably harder than EM4 FO1. A lot of players can't handle EM FO2 Asterius without a lot of practice.
If your main experience with EM4 is at like 45+, then intuitively it just seems like a terrible idea to add EM4. But at 32 Heat, the 4 Heat from EM4 is a lot, and you can easily avoid the pacts that make EM4 as bad as it is at 40+.
Like do a run with just EM4 CP2 FO1. He's a total pushover.
If you added LC4 and take SD... now it's actually quite a bit different because you can't make a lot of mistakes probably.
But with full healing and 3 DDs?
His summons also do only HL0 damage.
The traps do like no damage because you don't have HS.
mossy zinc
@dawn chasm was messing around with some variations of your pact. This one seems like the easiest. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/950001340371861504/Hades_4922.png
Dante — Today at 1:13 PM
Maybe that's why you have TD2, not TD3
@half heart I was using TD2 because I was just messing around with different pact combinations.
half heart
Got it
hardy garden
what is that pact
quartz mantle
Seems like an optimization of #h1-victory-boasting message
hardy garden
So a slightly less bad version
hoary pasture
Gamer pact
left prism
Discord messing with me idk if it was the correct link
quartz mantle
TD0 pacts are hella based
hoary pasture
DC2
mossy zinc
So a slightly less bad version <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
I said earlier, it's actually a chill pact. Just slow as hell lol.
mossy zinc
Seems like an optimization of https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/72...
Yep.
It looks like a decent option for newer players who struggle with TD3 and like to play tanky with Excalibur.
quiet mountain
hydraulic might = best pest removal this side of the styx
mossy zinc
So you're on the other side of the Styx from me then.
quartz mantle
Hydraulic kinda Aphro attack
quiet mountain
So you're on the other side of the Styx from me then.
whats on the other side then
honest kernel
Second attempt of derusting gets me to this point
Entered Elysium at 4 HP too
No mods required
Died in styx tunnels but hey
Progress for unmodded
Zeus attack start that went way farther then it should have
clever otter
honest kernel
Hopefully
Going to go harder and harder on attempts in the following weeks. I intended today to be a short practice session from a long break
left prism
Baj gaming 
half heart
Seems like 64 heat is only possible with Zeus shield? At least that was one successful seeded attempt
honest kernel
If you were Really good at Charged Shot gameplay and could muster the will to grind it out, Zag shield could also do it. Maybe even Chaos shield
But Zeus simply has more, safer damage without needing to rely on hammers
And technically any aspect with enough built-in damage, as long as they get +1 dash from Hermes for the Hades EM4 fight
So Rama, Eris and Hestia comes to mind
bronze rapids
maim is good actually?!
mossy zinc
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
honest kernel
Funnily enough, Gilgamesh's problem isn't even damage, it's just super clunky which makes it hard to find opportunities to sneak damage in. Extra dashes matter little when you are essentially under a permanent chaos curse of dash distance penalty
half heart
Permanent curse?
pseudo kernel
gilgamesh dashes are shorter than normal dashes
dark hatch
I dunno where to say this I guess this is the best place. But I am destroyed my first 32 heat run went down the drain at the last second. Man that was a fun run tho
flat flicker
Run it back
cursive portal
If you were *Really* good at Charged Shot gameplay and could muster the will to ...
chaos shield loses out on 15% damage compared to zag shield
half heart
gilgamesh dashes are shorter than normal dashes
Oh, it's about that. True, it's annoying that they are shorter
flat flicker
barely able to 60 it he says
honest kernel
chaos shield loses out on 15% damage compared to zag shield
That's only true for the attack and dash-attack. It is harder
But I wouldn't say impossible
Cshot is just that good
flat flicker
Would you rather charged shot or explosive return on zeus going for 40
honest kernel
Explosive Return
cursive portal
chaos attack -> cshot is 105 base damage
zag shield attack -> cshot is 120
so like 15% more damage
you don't always hit the attack so probably realistically like 10% more
it's like a level of CP
flat flicker
Word
cursive portal
in dad you hit the attack-cshot way more often so its actually just a unit of CP
honest kernel
dark hatch
Would you rather charged shot or explosive return on zeus going for 40
Zeus ifc
honest kernel
Example of a run with Explosive Return
cursive portal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779451865399368/943672131902910484/202...
what a blessed run
honest kernel
AP1 is fine if you don't intend to go for duos or legendaries too hard
AP2 is the real devil
half heart
@cursive portal what do you mean by CP?
half heart
Got it
cursive portal
15% more health to all enemies
basically makes the game take 15% longer
and harder
its probably the 3rd worst pact option
after AP and RI
honest kernel
You'd be surprised how even CP1 can affect some thresholds for most weapons
cursive portal
yeah but at these levels you just have no means to form an actual build
honest kernel
An extra hit per enemy even in tartarus adds up
cursive portal
DC is also just so crippling for some weapons
jaunty falcon
Everything except Rama
bronze rapids
When I was doing doom Rama for 40 there were some enemies that would have a smidge of armor left after 1 doom
If on CP1
honest kernel
The real reason Calisthenics Program is awful is because of how the scaling in Hades works. Because of pom diminishing returns, and how limited your ability to get meaningful upgrades is when you reach the higher heat levels, your damage output will hit it's limit at certain points. The later you go on in the game, the more impactful Calisthenics Program gets, because you eventually hit your realistic damage cap while enemies get more and more beefy. Suddenly an extra hit turns into an extra combo or two for Elysium and Styx foes, and minibosses/bosses can end up taking an extra half a minute to a minute!
half heart
So it's not affecting that much on 32 heat runs, but for 40+ it's much more painful. Because when I play 32 heat runs, I don't feel it's impact, but truth to be told, I haven't tried go higher yet
honest kernel
Heat difficulty is exponential. The heat conditions feed off of each other.
half heart
Like almost all my screenshots in victory boasting for 32 heat runs have CP1
honest kernel
32 heat you can be a little more wild with your pact selection and have decent success with it
mossy zinc
I did CP1+ for all my Hell mode runs.
mossy zinc
Just wanted to get that out there.
half heart
So basically you feel the dread of CP pact on much higher heats when you usually have to pick it
honest kernel
Pretty much. When you are forced to consider Routine Inspection, Extreme Measures 4, Approval Process 2, Jury Summons 3, Convenience Fee, it gets more and more diffficult to get scaling that will help you clear the run
And that is when Calisthenics Program starts to hurt
cursive portal
I did CP1+ for all my Hell mode runs.
honest kernel
Tight Deadline 3 now that I think about it as well
on Tight Deadline 2 you could get away with a slower pact for sure. Retrash shows that best
mossy zinc
<:thanthink:669246004142538753>
Is that not a good strategy?
cursive portal
honest kernel
Hellmode does make it a little more interesting, by adding in Personal Liability but locking in Hard Labor 1, Jury Summons 1, Calisthenics Program 1, Lasting Consequences 1.
An extra heat but 4 others are locked in, Jury Summons and Calisthenics Program being the main offenders
mossy zinc
Early Access Hell Mode where you can't go down in Heat, only up.
So basically what you've been doing.
honest kernel
I've been skipping steps but sure
Just don't tell the others that clearing 64 heat locks the file up
bronze rapids
I look at hell mode as a 2 heat CP1
PL is free just don' get hit a lot
mossy zinc
Today is the day we find out Baj is stuck having to do 64 Heat because his game won't update.
bronze rapids
that implies he;s done 63
mossy zinc
No, he did 64 routed. And now he's stuck.
bronze rapids
ae
honest kernel
I legitimately do wonder how they would have handled that case
If it somehow ended up happening
mossy zinc
I actually don't know the specifics, maybe it was only until the bounties were done.
honest kernel
Hopefully it was. Not like I messed around with Hellmode enough back then to know
mossy zinc
Yeah, I didn't make a Hell mode save until Blood Price, and Blood Price is when they removed that restriction.
half heart
Anyway, I could watch this run every day and still be amazed by the skill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOJ_qJhcGEk
cursive portal
zeus doesnt feel like it quite cuts it for me
at 60+ you basically have to take earring from asphodel-elysium, maybe even styx
problem is you need tooth-acorn-acorn for those biomes
the timer is just bleh
half heart
Well, that's why 60+ is cleared by probably less than 1% players
pseudo kernel
"probably"
cursive portal
I mean you're not wrong
theres literally 4 people with it unmodded
5 if you count baj's 64
hardy garden
probably
quartz mantle
Hey guys you never know there might be someone dedicated enough to clear 60 heat but never joined or looked into the community in the slightest
Anyways 1% is an overstatement for sure
If we wanna count like people who bought the game vs people who’ve cleared 60+ it is astronomically small
Even if we just count documented 32 clears vs 60+ clears its very very small
hardy garden
32 is already probably less than 1%
quartz mantle
Who’s at a computer rn and can say the percentage of people who cleared the 16 heat statue
hardy garden
1.8% on xbox
quartz mantle
Damn fr
hardy garden
less than 20% for one escape
quartz mantle
Oh well that happens
dark hatch
less than 20% for one escape <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
really!!!
quartz mantle
Was hades ever on game pass?
dark hatch
it is now on game pass
quartz mantle
That explains it
hardy garden
50% for steam
dark hatch
i mean sorta but not really
quartz mantle
People try it for free and then don’t keep playing cause they’re lame
dark hatch
50% for steam
Cleared once or 16 heat?
hardy garden
7% 16 heat steam
quartz mantle
50% is surprising tbh
Like I don’t wanna be an elitist here but like
It’s not that hard
dark hatch
proceeds to be a lil bit elitist
dark hatch
It’s not *that* hard
Its difficult
quartz mantle
Although 50% is like the standard for achievements
dark hatch
but it feels easy when you have done 32 (tried to do)
quartz mantle
Trust me I know, I’m pretty sure my first clear was late by “typical standards”
Think it took me until my 40th ish run to clear
Idk the exact number but it was in the 30-40
dark hatch
my first clear was very very late bc i just stupid head
but when i did it i finished it 9 more times in a row
quartz mantle
Yea same here
hoary pasture
same
quartz mantle
The progression feeling of Hades was just so addictive to me
Maybe that’s why I stopped playing lately lol
dark hatch
lol
quartz mantle
Kinda hard to improve at the 50+ range without grinding a ton and I just don’t have the time
dark hatch
i gave it a break after i finished everything
and now that its on game pass i downloaded it and i am starting fresh to get completion here
dark hatch
Kinda hard to improve at the 50+ range without grinding a ton and I just don’t h...
50+ seems so far far away
one day
one day ill do the 64
🥲
quartz mantle
I believe 🙏
pseudo kernel
idk about that
dark hatch
i hate maths
quartz mantle
Hell even 62 was called the “human limit” by a few Chinese players
And Baj is trying to prove that wrong
I’m not saying to not chase your dreams
But I’d recommend curving your expectations a lil bit
hoary pasture
Baj has like 2k hours
quartz mantle
50 is more reasonable and still very impressive
dark hatch
i know that its really difficult but i like the idea of the pain
pseudo kernel
youll just fall into the loop that most high heat players fall into
set a big goal -> try for like a month -> burn out
cursive portal
why must you hurt me in this way
hoary pasture
what no that totally doesnt sound like me
undone tartan
one day ill do the 64
I’ve heard this story before
quartz mantle
When the cats are desynced
quartz mantle
When the cats are desynced
undone tartan
i know that its really difficult but i like the idea of the pain
Calling it “really difficult” is underselling it a tremendous amount
Players with over two thousand hours have not done it.
mossy zinc
one day ill do the 64
How many hours a day do you play?
next acorn
Hope it’s 25
bronze rapids
40 or bust
mossy zinc
Baj has like 2k hours
And probably a lot more than that talking strats and such.
undone tartan
I’m not joking when I say I’ve seen people say that like 10+ times and none of them have ever even done 50 heat. Setting your goals so inexplicably high is just not really a recipe for sustained interest in the game
hoary pasture
True
mossy zinc
I’m not joking when I say I’ve seen people say that like 10+ times and none of t...
Haven't seen one do 32 tbh.
pseudo kernel
i remember you talking about somebody who said that they were gonna clear 60 arthur
next acorn
undone tartan
Yep
undone tartan
i remember you talking about somebody who said that they were gonna clear 60 art...
And the day that they said that was the last day they talked in the server
pseudo kernel
lmao
undone tartan
Set goals that are attainable
Setting an unattainable goal is an easy path to losing motivation
hoary pasture
i remember you talking about somebody who said that they were gonna clear 60 art...
I remember that
mossy zinc
I mean it's good to be ambitious, but maybe just learn how to not lose your queen in 10 moves before you declare you'll be the chess world champion one day.
hardy garden
undone tartan
Yeah exactly
Because if you say “I’m gonna do 60 heat” and then you try 50 and you really struggle with it (as we all did because 50 is extremely difficult), then you’re gonna feel very discouraged because you know that 60 heat is like 100x harder than 50 heat
And you’re gonna want to give up
next acorn
like its good to say like I have a long term goal of 50
but like knowing you have to work up to that
cursive portal
Yeah that's what my September-October looked like
I really struggled with 45 for a while
next acorn
but saying I'm going striaght there
cursive portal
Then 47
next acorn
or im doing 64
cursive portal
Then finally 50 on nem
next acorn
different story
undone tartan
You did your first 50 on Nem?
next acorn
I remember the begining of the angel heat arc
cursive portal
Yeah
next acorn
crazy how far you've got
cursive portal
Never thought I could enjoy or succeed in the game outside of speedruns
hoary pasture
guess what my first 50 was
hardy garden
50 -> 54 is probably harder than 32 -> 50
hoary pasture
undone tartan
I did Beo, Rama, then Hestia
My Hestia 50 is still such a crazy finish
that was my last run before my break
hoary pasture
I think in order I did Beo Rama Guan Yu Zag bow Zag shield Hestia Zeus Eris Hades
next acorn
I still need to do my first 50 
mossy zinc
I still need to do my first 50 <:residentzag:580097451197857816>
Just do 51.
next acorn
like I wana do it before april bc then I'll have done it before having 1 year of playing the game
but theres just so much other stuff I want to do
hoary pasture
It's beo
undone tartan
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/876850165665898557/S...
LMAO so much hp and you didn’t even use it
hoary pasture
cant be that bad right
undone tartan
hoary pasture
EM4 gamer afterall
next acorn
hardest part is going to be not timing out
undone tartan
Are you gonna do Beo?
hardy garden
https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021639506526249/8958494597103...
i just did ap2
undone tartan
EM4 or RI2? Or hell mode AP2 PL
hoary pasture
Quite the pact you got there
next acorn
hoary pasture
undone tartan
Quite the pact you got there
Me?
next acorn
I had enough health to handle CP1 dad
hoary pasture
Yes
undone tartan
You know
hardy garden
undone tartan
I actually started divine dash
pseudo kernel
second try
hardy garden
the best hammers
mossy zinc
If you use Beowulf for 50, I suggest you start +400% Charged Flight + Heartbreak Flourish.
pseudo kernel
hoary pasture
My first 50 was JS3 CP2 aswell
pseudo kernel
gamer
undone tartan
My first 50 was JS3 CP2 aswell
Why would it not be
next acorn
idk man as someone with over 50 50 heat runs under my belt
mossy zinc
All of them one-upped by my one 51 Heat win.
hoary pasture
I even did this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903215893998346251/931909617859059762/unknown.png
pseudo kernel
sick casts
mossy zinc
*looking at pact* idk that seems optimal right
No, it's missing RI4.
next acorn
true its 8 free heat
hardy garden
lets just turn beo into worse zag shield
pseudo kernel
still better than chaos shield
undone tartan
Maybe I should go back to 50 heat attempts
Maybe I should try Eris 50
How’s Eris 50
mossy zinc
There's actually a way to get a max level Chaos Aspect before you have unlocked weapon aspects.
undone tartan
Lmao what
mossy zinc
What you do is you get the base shield.
And then you get 15 Titan Blood.
And then you throw them all away.
All your Titan Blood. Throw it away.
undone tartan
Makes sense
mossy zinc
And when somebody asks you what you're doing, you tell them you're a Chaos Aspect main.
hoary pasture
Eris 50 is pretty good
mossy zinc
That has nothing to do with the secret tech I just shared.
hoary pasture
I feel like Lightning Strike needs something else to get going
Otherwise bossing is gonna lack
undone tartan
It does, yes
hoary pasture
If you wanna reset for that ig you can go Lightning strike
undone tartan
But I could do RI2 AP1 and reset for jolted
mossy zinc
Lightning Strike needs Static Discharge.
hoary pasture
Drunken you can just pom it a few times
undone tartan
Yeah
hoary pasture
I would say Tidal Dash/ Static Discharge/ Zeus Call can all really supplement your damage
undone tartan
Below 50 it’s definitely lightning and above it’s definitely drunken
hoary pasture
I'd still do AP2 RI0 tbh
hardy garden
tbh em4 might not be that bad. you can just get all the boons
cursive portal
hoary pasture
genuinely
undone tartan
With AP2 RI0 I’d rather do drunken I think
cursive portal
priv status because I was super based
hardy garden
ez
undone tartan
But I won’t get any of those with AP2
hardy garden
splitting bolt smair
hoary pasture
If you do EM4 then it's AP1 RI0
undone tartan
I’m definitely not doing EM4
hoary pasture
undone tartan
I don’t even do EM4 for Beo 50
pseudo kernel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/889262391190253598/135...
what the
hoary pasture
nice attack speed
cursive portal
better than fricking special speed
hardy garden
its all purple
hoary pasture
you dont wanna see my 50 nem
cursive portal
hoary pasture
mossy zinc
I don't have a first 50 because I never did 50. 
cursive portal
nah yours was super blessed
cursive portal
I don't have a first 50 because I never did 50. <:courte5Beegsmile:9331511443127...
thats right, you did 52
mossy zinc
Yep. And 51 to beat Toffel's 50.
undone tartan
Wait you did 52?
mossy zinc
Duh.
mossy zinc
You should try my build sometime. It's fun. https://i.imgur.com/icHDmZJ.png
hardy garden
nice health
mossy zinc
Thanks.
hardy garden
cp2
undone tartan
I’m gonna try Eris 50, AP2 RI0 EM3 CP1 with drunken strike. Do I want PStat or FF?
hardy garden
ff prolly
undone tartan
Yeah I figured
mossy zinc
cp2 <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
JS2 CP2 was better than JS3 CP1 when Charged Flight one-shots everything anyway.
mossy zinc
This is from Early Access.
undone tartan
Ohh
mossy zinc
hardy garden
5x special dmg is quite a lot
mossy zinc
5x special dmg is quite a lot <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Charged Flight needs it.
#buffChargedFlight
hardy garden
devs dont let us have nice things
mossy zinc
They actually did a fine job because they nerfed my main aspect from Early Access from S tier to S tier, but they nerfed my competition's, Haelian's, main aspect from S tier to base weapon.
Thanks, Amir.
hardy garden
chaos?
half heart
I have no clue how to play chaos shield right
pseudo kernel
you dont
mossy zinc
The right way to play Chaos Aspect is you go back to the courtyard and pick something else.
ripe ermine
Whole lot of Zeus worked #h1-victory-boasting message
hoary pasture
I still wanna try this
ripe ermine
No lie it was among the easier 50s I’ve done.
hoary pasture
I think it's not too bad but the problem is getting the Zeus stuff
mossy zinc
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> chaos?
Yeah. Haelian is pretty much why everyone played Chaos Aspect in Early Access.
hardy garden
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/917902194068566086/Hades_12_7_2021_2_14_07_PM.png tbh chaos 50 is a lot easier than most aspects
but the mini shields also dont even matter that much
ripe ermine
^
jaunty falcon
All you need is a cracked af build
hardy garden
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/917926396167323679/Hades_12_7_2021_3_51_16_PM.png well this one was more average
ripe ermine
I think I got that build 3rd try? Sometimes Fated Authority does what you want
mossy zinc
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/917902194068566086/H...
Well yeah, it's still Aegis.
hardy garden
pretty much
mossy zinc
It's probably not even that much worse now than it was in Early Access, just back then the meta was seeded.
51 and 53 Chaos Aspect were all on the same seed with epic Thunder Flourish into epic Static Discharge start.
Haelian's seed, and bablo used the same seed.
hoary pasture
I think early access Chaos is overrated
but idk
The rest of the aspects were probably not as good tbf
As they are now
quartz mantle
It just dealt damage over the entire screen I think
jaunty falcon
I never played early access
mossy zinc
I don't think so. It was definitely top tier for the meta at the time. I could never make it for me though lol, but couldn't argue with the results Haelian was getting.
I mean couldn't make it work for me above 50.
But like, back then when somebody asked for help with 32 Heat, the answer was pretty much always to just take Chaos Aspect, and usually they'd get the win pretty quickly with it.
And yeah it's just a matter of how safe it was, Dark Foresight not being a thing (definitely impacted the meta a lot), the pact being different (especially TD), other weapon aspects being a lot weaker...
hoary pasture
That's fair
undone tartan
NOOOO
I just had such a tragic painful death in Elysium
50 heat
Got one of those borderline impossible rooms
Popper speeder greatshields
My build was so insanely good
half heart
Popper speeder greatshields
Those are scary as hell
No clue how to be effective against them
pseudo kernel
undone tartan
It’s just unfair because sometimes it’s totally ok and sometimes……
You get borderline impossible rooms
Rooms harder than EM4
pseudo kernel
Pancake back to complaining about hades
undone tartan
hardy garden
undone tartan
Classic
Man that build was so so good too
I had two (common) chaos shot boons and a chaos grasp boon
Lvl 7 epic passion flare
hoary pasture
Casual Beo enjoyer
pseudo kernel
Wait I thought you were doing eris
hoary pasture
EM4?
undone tartan
Yes 
hoary pasture
Real gamer
undone tartan
Against all my better judgment
pseudo kernel
Wait are you using my pact
undone tartan
I mean… maybe?
hoary pasture
Doing Hell mode is probably wiser
undone tartan
It’s a very intuitive pact idea
undone tartan
Doing Hell mode is probably wiser <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Yep but I’m on PS5 so I’ll pass on grinding for a whole new file
pseudo kernel
half heart
https://imgur.com/a/BNHagRK
Yeap, charged shot says "I don't care about your shield lol"
Ares blades too
undone tartan
That’s not the important part of that clip
half heart
Zeus thunders too?
undone tartan
I think you missed it
hoary pasture
It’s the swordsman jumping from across the room
hoary pasture
It’s the swordsman jumping from across the room
Was a spearman actually
undone tartan
Losing a good run to an abysmal Elysium room is so sad
Elysium is more stressful than EM4 because at any time the game can decide to… “test your commitment to winning”… with the hardest room you’ve ever seen in your life
half heart
Imagine trying to deal with those Elysium rooms using Excalibur and then got those shieldmans
hoary pasture
Don’t worry it’ll test your commitment to winning in EM4 too
half heart
Of course using FO2
hoary pasture
If you make it there
half heart
No way to dodge that
hoary pasture
You’re going Snow burst pstatus yea?
undone tartan
Yes but EM4 is a consistent level of difficulty forgot about the summon RNG
I’m not gonna get a build that good again though
Lvl 7 epic passion flare with two shot boons and a grasp
Just not gonna happen
hoary pasture
Zeus shield amazing for this too
quartz mantle
The winning runs never have that game breaking build you got super excited about during Elysium
undone tartan
That’s actually true
My Rama run had a game breaking build that I got super excited about in chamber 3
Still the most broken c3 I’ve ever seen
Twin shot -> 80 hp from chaos -> rare heartbreak strike
hoary pasture
is it really
undone tartan
Probably
That’s all you need on Rama
You have 4 great special options so you’re bound to find one of them by the time you’ll actually need one
undone tartan
I’ll post the clip here in a second
Ok forgive the very very bad quality but this is the clip I’ve been trying to send:
pseudo kernel
half heart
bronze rapids
ripe ermine
My favorite part is when like 6 more appeared
undone tartan
No
undone tartan
My favorite part is when like 6 more appeared
Honestly I was probably less than halfway done with the room
hoary pasture
Hourglass is legit
cursive portal
Heroes are chumps
hoary pasture
True
cursive portal
Honestly at 50 you could do tooth into ely on beo
undone tartan
I’ve considered it
hoary pasture
You could do distant memory
cursive portal
So true
hoary pasture
hoary pasture
I don’t even know how to proc distant memory
bronze rapids
stand far far away
next acorn
Honestly at 50 you could do tooth into ely on beo
blobsnug
undone tartan
died, lost 450 hp to EM4 and also had 6 seconds left (entered at 3:15) and also died right before beating phase 2
This is why I don’t do EM4
Lost 450 hp despite weak + 15% different league
The fight just goes on for too long
undone tartan
Make a savestate
I’m on PS5
undone tartan
Or lower the heat
No 
mossy zinc
Raise the Heat.
undone tartan
How much health does EM4 hades have per phase? Non-EM4 has 17K but I know EM4 is more
Was it 22K?
mossy zinc
Yes. 22,000 max HP.
undone tartan
Leaving Elysium at 0:00:00: “Man I hope Styx is very fast…”
4 SACK
Thank you Hades the video game
Had a lvl 15 epic passion flare in that run
Equal to a lvl 2 epic with a rare chaos shot boon
cursive portal
Lv15 lmao
undone tartan
Thanks RI0
hoary pasture
Gotta game harder
I think it took me like 6 days to get 50 Beo EM4
Non stop dying to EM4
I think watching someone play the fight is pretty good
My first win ended up being so messy and had so many risky dash strikes etc that I wouldnt do nowadays
Watch Angel or ykc
Real gamers
undone tartan
Honestly, most of the times I get hit, it’s one thing
I get hit between my dash strike landing and my block going up
So I expect to be blocking but then take 100 to the face
half heart
Weakened em4 Hades shouldn't do 100dmg with one hit unless using hl5
But yeah, em4 is a matter of getting used to it
hoary pasture
Yea that’s the point, Dash striking is somewhat intuitive somtimes after you bullrush so you start another one right away but if you get caught in between you’re screwed
undone tartan
Weakened em4 Hades shouldn't do 100dmg with one hit unless using hl5
I am. Obviously
Not gonna do 50 heat without HL5
undone tartan
Yeah I think I’ll pass on that
half heart
Got it, understandable
undone tartan
Uhh
Charged shot or dread flight
It just feels wrong
I know the answer but
It’s hard to bring myself to pick it
mossy zinc
Charged Shot.
mossy zinc
I disagree.
mossy zinc
If you want to take it, you should take it. You should trust your own instincts and experience.
hoary pasture
Cshot gud
undone tartan
My experience is that CShot doesn’t work for EM4
half heart
If this is shield then cshot is the best upgrade
Not required on beo, but from my experience you make yourself safer
hoary pasture
It’s actually the opposite
hoary pasture
Bullrushing is safe and Cshot removes that
It’s still good but you have to play better
half heart
So git gud
The normal charge without hammer upgrade seems quite safe, it's looks like there are iframes in addition to blocking
hoary pasture
The bullrush has iframes yes
Blocking does not, and things can still get you from the sides
But Beo has wider block radius
So it’s still safer
Ideally you bullrush everything
undone tartan
If this is shield then cshot is the best upgrade
Best hammer in the game for anything except EM4
In EM4 I’d rather have no hammer
Oh my god
My heart is beating way too fast
I did it
When I saw he was at half health in phase 2 my heart rate literally spiked so so hard
I can’t believe it
undone tartan
Literally my hands are shaking they feel almost numb that’s actually crazy
hoary pasture
Lmao
undone tartan
That really was a lot more of a physical response than I expected
hoary pasture
ggs
undone tartan
Wow I did it lets go
With mirage shot prereqs and no mirage shot
Also got 3-sacked out of my ToSD
half heart
Blocking does not, and things can still get you from the sides
Oh yes, Hades is prime example of that
undone tartan
hoary pasture
Show victory screen
undone tartan
I will hold on
Also you may notice, 5 god pool with mirage prereqs…
An attempt was made
undone tartan
No
undone tartan
Twin shot -> 80 hp from chaos -> rare heartbreak strike
I forgot to mention, this was AP2 btw
undone tartan
hoary pasture
undone tartan
Probably hitless
Hitless is easier than 50 anyway imo
I just haven’t quite gotten it yet
half heart
Good thing passion flare is strong enough without mirage shot